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00:03 < fie> ware, stfu you pagan hedonist!
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00:12 < fie> Life is a series of a recollection of memories.
00:12 < ware> hed
00:13 < fie> ware, that's $50... $100 if it looks like you have an STD
00:21 < ware> did you recently become irc's best friend or something?
00:24 < fie> ware, I don't understand, who's irc?
00:27 < ware> i wont be held responsible
00:27 < ware> she fell in love in the first place
00:27 < fie> For the life of me!
00:28  * fie storms out
00:28  * fie comes back
00:28 < fie> I CANNOT BELIEVE THAT SOMETHING WORDS AND THINGS!
00:28 < fie> I can't remember either
00:28 < ware> you just the entire song.
00:28 < fie> hooray 90s
00:29 < fie> ware, stop speaking foreign
00:29 < fie> This is not tech support
00:29 < ware> Top.250.Hits.of.the.90s
00:29 < ware> .mp3
00:29 < ware> rofl
00:30 < ware> Robyn - Show Me Love
00:33 < fie> ware, I has that one
00:41 < fie> <ITechGeek> BBAFHHEATKANP (Be Back After Fie Has Had Enough Alcohol To Kill A Normal Person)
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01:43 < ware> lol
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16:13 <@Dagmar> It's a good damn thing Mountain Dew is made by Pepsi
16:13 <@Dagmar> ...because Coke's racist pandering is making me sick.
16:16 <@coil_> how is coke racist?
16:18 <@Dagmar> Because they just sacked the legitimacy of a contest win because apparently large numbers of black people felt that whitey shouldn't be allowed to win their step contest
16:19 <@Dagmar> Coke apparently folded to pressure, made up some bullshit about "scoring discrepancies" and ponied up another half a mil to declare the second-place crew to also be first place winners
16:19 <@Dagmar> ...which makes them fucking racists.
16:20 <@Dagmar> There are *no* scoring discrepancies for those types of competitions
16:20 <@Dagmar> Not any of the kind they're describing, which they claim they can't actually descrive
16:20 <@Dagmar> Either numbers are on the score cards or they're not
16:20 <@Dagmar> Some white girls won the competition, the crowd started booing about it, and four days later Coke made up a big lie, probably because of the racists
16:21 <@Dagmar> So fuck Coke
16:22 <@Dagmar> http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/online-debate-rages-over-332819.html?cxntlid=daylf_artr
16:30 < ware> Upewpew - Earned the achievement Level 80 for 80 points.
16:30 < ware> schwoot
16:33 <@Dagmar> Time to start flogging heroics for badges
16:37 < ware> yuh yuh
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16:46 <@mtown_nerd> Hmm...  I might be misinterpreting this, Dagmar, but this seems a lot like racism on the parts of the Greeks.  Not Coke.  :/   (reading the article now)
16:47 <@mtown_nerd> Therer's not enough info here on what Coke did or didn't really do to throw this, but this sounds to me like a lot of black students mad b/c white students won "their" competition.
16:47 <@mtown_nerd> *shrug*
16:47 <@mtown_nerd> Oops..*there's
16:47 <@mtown_nerd> lol
16:48 <@sdodson> hi
16:48 <@mtown_nerd> hewwo  :D
16:51 <@mtown_nerd> sigh ....  I ordered a C# book, like, a week ago...maybe longer.  Amazong doesn't estimate it to even ship before March 12.  :(
16:51 <@mtown_nerd> I wish I'd paid attention to that when I submitted the order.  lol  I'd have told them to step it up a bit.
16:51 <@sdodson> It's from the future
16:51 <@sdodson> I have $600 in amazon gift certificates. I think I'm going to buy a roomba and ps3
16:51 <@mtown_nerd> They should be sending me the final draft of C# 4.0, then, for as long as I'm waiting.  >.<
16:51 <@mtown_nerd> Nice! :D
16:52 <@mtown_nerd> Roombas = win
16:52 <@mtown_nerd> We just have a basic one, and it's awesome.
16:52 <@mtown_nerd> While I'm cleaning the rest of the house, I can just set it going in whatever room I want to start it in, and the floors are clean by the time I'm ready to do other things in there.  IT's awesome.
16:52 <@sdodson> I had the roomba red, from back when they screwed up and a coupon code that was supposed to give 10% off accessories gave $100 off the price of roomba red.
16:52 <@mtown_nerd> It would be nice to have one that lets you set a schedule..and maybe larger dirt capacity.
16:52 <@sdodson> But it ate a sock.
16:52 <@mtown_nerd> oonoes!
16:52 <@mtown_nerd> :o
16:53 <@sdodson> i think i'm going to get the 532 pet version
16:53 <@mtown_nerd> Ours tried to eat a shirt once.  lol  I got home and found it dead w/ it hanging out one side.  Poor thing.  :(
16:53 <@sdodson> i think the newer versions aren't as susceptible to such
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16:53 < Synx_hm> critch
16:53 <@mtown_nerd> I'veh eard a lot of people talk about the pet version...  I haven't looked at them in a while.
16:53 < Synx_hm> eh
16:53 <@sdodson> the sock stripped the brush gears and it was never the same, i even ordered a replacement brush assembly and put that together.
16:54 <@sdodson> i think the pet version just has a higher capacity bin.
16:54 <@mtown_nerd> I need the gutter version.  ;[
16:54 <@sdodson> i dunno, i have a cat, he's an asshole and sheds all over the place
16:54 <@mtown_nerd> lol yeah... I know how that goes.
16:54 <@Dagmar> mtown_nerd: I think *most* of them let you set a schedule, it's just not documented for crap
16:54 <@mtown_nerd> Oh?  :o
16:54 <@Dagmar> You have to push the buttons using what might as well be morse codde
16:55 <@Dagmar> I've got a white one and an older silver one with a busted gearbox
16:55 <@sdodson> http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdodson/2128210246/in/set-72157603520217393/  cute and fluffy = fucking mess
16:55 <@Dagmar> Both are programmable to do their own thing on a schedule
16:55 <@sdodson> the 500 and up allow you to schedule them. The 400 series doesn't.
16:56 <@mtown_nerd> I'd have to look at it again, but I think we have one of the 400's maybe...   :o
16:56 <@mtown_nerd> awww...  kitty!  ^_^
16:56 <@mtown_nerd> He's definitely like "...wut? .... "
16:57 <@sdodson> I'm just pissed that he destroyed my brand new carpets despite having scratching posts every 5 feet or so
16:58 <@Dagmar> Dope 'em with 'nip maybe
16:58 <@mtown_nerd> omai
16:58 <@mtown_nerd> Lol
16:58 <@Dagmar> If your cat is one of the ones that doesn't become homocidal under the influence of catnip
16:58 <@mtown_nerd> I'm a firm believer, despite what people advise me, in instilling a fear of God into cats.  *cracks knuckles*
16:58 <@mtown_nerd> >:}
16:58 <@sdodson> Dagmar: he's interested in catnip if it's on the ground and he can roll around in it but it doesn't do anything for him on scratching posts
16:59 <@Dagmar> mtown_nerd: God is a SuperSoaker2000
16:59 <@mtown_nerd> Lol
16:59 <@sdodson> i've figured out that he only likes scratching posts that are made of carpet
16:59 <@sdodson> but it's too late
16:59 <@sdodson> ya, apparently shooting cats with water when they're bad is key
16:59 <@sdodson> but you have to do it in a way that they don't associate the water with you
17:00 <@sdodson> so they just think they're being smited
17:00 <@mtown_nerd> Probably not.  Just replace all the scartching posts w/ those with carpet, keep him in a confined area w/ one or two to get him used to using them, and correct like hell if he even looks at your real carpet with anything other than fear/loathing.
17:00 <@Dagmar> ANy old water pistol will do the trick
17:00 <@Dagmar> The SS2000 just makes it easier
17:01 <@sdodson> he doesn't go after the carpets anymore, it's just that i bought a new house and he went to town on the carpets before i had the whole situation figured out
17:02 <@mtown_nerd> Oooh
17:02 <@sdodson> he goes to the scratching posts now
17:02 <@mtown_nerd> I gotcha'
17:02 <@mtown_nerd> :(
17:02 <@mtown_nerd> lame
17:02 <@mtown_nerd> Stupid cats.  lol
17:02 <@sdodson> it's ok, i guess i'll just have to throw in a carpet allowance when i sell
17:02 <@mtown_nerd> I miss having a dog.  I don't have the lifestyle that's conducive for owning a dog right now, but GRRRR do I want one! >_<
17:02 <@sdodson> luckly only half the house is carpeted
17:02 <@Dagmar> Meh.  Have the carpets replaced and make a lot of carpet-covered scratching posts
17:02 <@sdodson> i barely have time to feed my cat, i'd kill a dog
17:03 <@sdodson> kthnx not interested in spending $2k right now
17:03 <@mtown_nerd> Pfft
17:03 <@mtown_nerd> You could find thati n your sofa, I'll be
17:03 <@mtown_nerd> *bet  :P
17:06  * sdodson wonders how he can crash on mtown_nerd's sofa for a few minutes
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17:11 <@mtown_nerd> sdodson: With no expectations of finding anything but cat hair and pennies, of course.
17:11 < Synx_hm> Who wants to buy my 05 Yamaha R6
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17:17 <@sdodson> Synx_hm: ware needs a new bike to wreck
17:19 < Synx_hm> haha
17:19 < Synx_hm> im selling it to get a Triumph Thruxton w00t
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17:27 < ware> ima fix my r6
17:27 < ware> tyvm!
17:27 < ware> i got an 04
17:27 <@sdodson> ware: tyvm!
17:27 < ware> ywvm
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22:05 <@sdodson> Dagmar: do you have any more information on how to schedule a roomba that doesn't have that feature?
22:28 <@Dagmar> If it's got no RTC in it then it just can't be done.  I guess mine were 500-series, although I never looked at them that closely
22:28 <@Dagmar> I just know I started poking at hte white one after seeing hte instructions and it started up cleaning a half-hour later.  I _started_ into the process enough with the silver one to satisfy myself that it could do it
22:29 <@sdodson> I just bought a 532
22:29 <@mtown_nerd> yay :)
22:29 <@sdodson> if i can't hack it into scheduling i'm going to yell at you, a lot
22:29 <@Dagmar> I have yet to set about making them to it all the time.  The silver one because I've been too spaced to order the gearbox, and the white one because it likes to play the
22:29 <@Dagmar> "hide under the bed" game
22:29 <@sdodson> actually i don't care, going to 562 was an increase of almost $100
22:30 <@mtown_nerd> I was looking at some of the higher end models, and ...it's kinda' hard to tell what exactly is differenta bout them.  :/
22:30 <@Dagmar> Too much stuff in my bedroom blocking it's view of the charger, so if it runs low it'll go to the middle of the room, presumably so you'll see it, but the middle of the damn room is directly under my bed
22:30 <@mtown_nerd> Like the Pro 610 is $549 or something...and I can't really tell why, besides having a 2nd lighthouse and a big battery
22:30 <@sdodson> mtown_nerd: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roomba#Models
22:30 <@Dagmar> Yeah it's maddening the number of models they have when you consider how little they want to tell you about them
22:30 <@Dagmar> Judging from the ones I've seen, it seems to mainly be design improvements
22:31 <@mtown_nerd> Hmm
22:31 <@sdodson> that wikipedia article is very helpful
22:31 <@sdodson> there's 3 generations, the 500 series ones are the third generation and feature a lot of improvements
22:31 <@Dagmar> The white one is substantially newer, and has IR-using cliff sensors, but these are easily fooled by _black carpet_ so I have to keep it semi-blinded
22:31 <@sdodson> otherwise the variances are the batteries and storage capacities.
22:31 <@Dagmar> ...otherwise it runs into the middle of one of my area rugs and has a little crisis
22:32 <@sdodson> oh and scheduler vs non scheduler features
22:32 <@Dagmar> Considering how little space hte code takes, I'm guessing the huge difference on the scheduler is whether or not the thing has a clock
22:32 <@sdodson> anyway, battery on my laptop is about to give in so i must be going
22:32 <@sdodson> Dagmar: I think the main par tof the scheduler is actually the remote you use to program it
22:33 <@Dagmar> If they weren't pretty damn reliable about _cleaning the place_ once you toe the button, I'd probably have hacked on them kmore
22:33 <@Dagmar> sdodson: That could be
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22:33 <@sdodson> I was happy with my roomba red (think it's currently the 410). It just ate a sock and died. Apparently the third generation stuff senses when it picks something up and will spit it back out rather than grinding the gears.
22:34 <@Dagmar> Not all of them need to be programmed through the remote
22:34 <@Dagmar> The white one here you literally punch _all_ the details in through the buttons on it's top
22:34 <@sasquatc4> i miss mine too, had a sweet scheduling one i got off woot for pretty damn cheap, but after a few years it just wouldnt charge at all
22:34 <@Dagmar> Definitely not a user-friendly process
22:34 <@sasquatc4> tried a new battery and ate it in a day
22:34 <@sdodson> i have a spare battery from my old one, i guess i should use that.
22:35 <@sdodson> thoug nimh have memory i think
22:35 <@Dagmar> When the battery on the white one dies I'll probably take it apart and look at it more closely
22:35 <@Dagmar> You must understand that while my natural inclination is to hack the shit out of these things, I'm allergic as hell to dust
22:35 <@Dagmar> ...and these little fuckers definitely accumulate a ton of that
22:36 <@sdodson> that's their primary function
22:36 <@Dagmar> I might as well shove carrots up my nose as to field strip one without beaing diligent about dusting the roomba itself before and during teardown
22:36 <@sdodson> there are some really good tear down guides on the web
22:37 <@Dagmar> Yeah, I looked at some of those because the silver one wasn't very obvious about how to get the front cowling off
22:37 <@Dagmar> The silver one's battery is yellow and easily removaable.  The white one worries me
22:37 <@Dagmar> ...but geez they're practiclaly making it so the refurbs are about as expensive as the hassle of fixing them
22:38 <@Dagmar> I'm tempted to post to Craiglist offering to take broken ones off people's hands
22:38 <@sasquatc4> thats why ive just been waiting for another good refurb deal on woot to get a new one
22:39 <@sdodson> i have been watching woot for a long time, i gave up
22:39 <@sdodson> plus i had amazon gift certificates to burn
22:39 <@sasquatc4> well they always had 1 or 2 doing woot offs, and i always freakin miss them, or they werent really worth it
22:39 <@sdodson> ya
22:40 <@Dagmar> Keep an eye on buy.com then
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22:41 <@Dagmar> About once a month they seem to get 'em in the $115-130 range
22:41 <@Dagmar> ...or at least they were.
22:47 <@sasquatc4> best roomba ever!!!!
22:47 <@sasquatc4> http://www.buy.com/prod/irobot-roomba-510-robot-vacuum/q/loc/66357/206928399.html
22:50 <@Dagmar> I've long since given up being able to reliably tell them apart by sight, but that might be the model of the white one I have
22:50 <@Dagmar> If you have black area rugs, unless they've improved the design, you'll have to use some little bits of white paper (not tape, mind ya) on the lower part of the sensors to fool them
22:51 <@Dagmar> This model is *notably* more gentle about bumping into things
22:51 <@sasquatc4> i was just sayin that cause they are selling it for 7650$
22:51 <@sasquatc4> thats why it has to be the best
22:51 <@Dagmar> If you completely blind the sensors, it acts like the older ones and bumps into shit full speed
22:51 <@Dagmar> WHOA
22:51 <@sasquatc4> hehe
22:51 <@Dagmar> Haha I didn't veen look at the price
22:53 <@Dagmar> Gahh.. Yeah looking at their pictures I can't tell the 510 from the 530
22:54 <@Dagmar> They *do* appear to all be happy using the same type of charging station tho
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23:00 <@sasquatc4> sweet, avatar didnt win, thank god
23:04 < tzanger> wtf
23:05 < tzanger> didn't make used to have a way to define shit on the command like
23:05 < tzanger> i.e. make -DDEBUG=1
23:05 < tzanger> type of thing
23:05 <@Dagmar> Hmm... no
23:05 <@Corydon76-dig> tzanger: No, that's gcc
23:05 < tzanger> hmm that's gonna suck
23:05 <@Corydon76-dig> If Make allows that, then you need to do:  make CFLAGS=-DDEBUG=1
23:06 <@Dagmar> If you need to set an environment variable to be passed to make you just set it in the same line, like `CFLAGS="-O2 -fomg" make targetname`
23:06 < tzanger> yeah I was just getting to that :-)
23:06 < tzanger> I have 36 hex files to make with different datasets
23:06 <@Dagmar> No worries
23:06 < tzanger> boo-urns for LPC21xx with only 32kb of flash
23:06 <@Corydon76-dig> Dagmar: GNU make takes that as an argument, not as env vars
23:07 <@Corydon76-dig> I think only BSD make allows it as env vars
23:07 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-dig: I'm in the habit of setting it as an environment variable because it's seemed less likely to completley stomp out whatever the makefile might want to add in there
23:07 < tzanger> thanks guys, that works
23:07 <@Dagmar> I had a few things just use *only* "-O2" when passed as an argument, but they added some other stuff the dev thought was important to it when it was an envvar
23:08 <@Corydon76-dig> The makefile will stomp whatever it likes... the question is merely where to pass the variables for Make to see them
23:08 <@Corydon76-dig> Well, to see them initially, anyway, before the Makefile takes over
23:08 <@Dagmar> Well, it sees them fine as envvars in the hundreds of builds I put together for DLG
23:08 <@Corydon76-dig> DLG?
23:08 <@Dagmar> By now I'm reasonably certain enough it works that I'm just leaving my builds like that
23:08 <@Dagmar> Dropline GNOME
23:08 <@Corydon76-dig> Ah
23:09 <@Dagmar> I've got easily >250 packages defined here
23:09 <@Dagmar> Like, really, really extensively beat myself in the face with it.  heh
23:09 <@Corydon76-dig> Ah.  Asterisk is the only set of Makefiles I mess with
23:09 <@Dagmar> I wound up putting hooks into the build engine for disabling multi-threaded make builds 3-4 different ways even
23:10 <@Dagmar> Yeah we're doing a bunch of shell scripting to figure out what needs to happen, then making a short one-liner bash script, and running it so it all gets logged.
23:10 <@Dagmar> ...er... the _engine_ creates that short one-liner
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