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05:07 <@Evilpig> ware: it doesn't do much good to ping me while i'm asleep
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05:56 <@Catonic> it gives him pleasure.
05:58 < Shadow404> Evilpig: ping ping ping ping
05:58 < Shadow404> Evilpig: what rhymes with ping?
05:58 < Shadow404> ding!
05:58 <@Evilpig> i'm awake now asshat
05:59 <@Catonic> asshat, n.: one who wears ass like a hat.
05:59 < Shadow404> lawl
05:59 < Shadow404> Catonic: i think you have it backwards
06:00  * Catonic stands back to recieve an education on Asshaberdashery from Professor Shadow404, Professional Asshat.
06:00 < Shadow404> PHD in asshat sir
06:02 <@Catonic> I'm sorry, Dr. Asshat.
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08:34 < ware> [MAINSCREEN]# turn on && get signal
08:35 < Todd> insert && create friction
08:36 < Todd> fi
08:36 < Todd> jesus God I'm hungry
08:38  * ware tosses Todd a bagel
08:39 < ware> [todd@brokeback.mtn.cc]
08:39  * ware approves
08:39 < Todd> I was bored
08:39 < Todd> ok umm.. gotta take the kid to daycare before the snow gets too deep
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08:55 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
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09:34 <@Catonic> Dolemite: morning Dolemammy!
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09:35 <@Dolemite> Wassup, Hamdog?
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09:49 < Todd> shart is a good word
09:54 < ware> 09:54 [niven] ,---Whois--< w4re [w@phenom.hackor.org]
09:54 < ware> ohai ghost
09:58 <@Evilpig> okay so for my taxes.  I now have all my internet bills to write off, the interest on my truck.  fuck! where is the house interest
09:59 <@Corydon76-dig> You can write off the interest on your truck?
09:59 <@Evilpig> yup
10:00 <@Evilpig> it's tiny though cause I financed it at 2.9%
10:00 <@Corydon76-dig> You must be doing it through business expense, then, because it's not a writeoff normally
10:01 <@Evilpig> not entirely sure.  accountant does all that
10:02 <@Corydon76-dig> Usually the only interest you can take as a deduction is interest on your primary home
10:02 <@Evilpig> firefox and acrobat are just not cooperating for me today either
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10:15 <@Dolemite> Most likely your accountant will only be able to count the interest paid while you were still at your previous job
10:18 <@Evilpig> since then i've only used that truck for the consulting business
10:20 <@nachoguy> mr0nin
10:30 < ware> Evilpig: SC2 key NAO!
10:30 <@Dolemite> ware : He already gave it to me.
10:31 < ware> wtf are you srs
10:31 <@Dolemite> yep
10:31 < ware> WTF NERD RAGE
10:31 < ware> how is it?
10:31 <@Dolemite> Haven't had a chance to play it yet
10:31 <@Evilpig> how can I tell my boss no?  he was all like.  gimme or pink slip
10:31 < ware> so its still not activated then....
10:32 < ware> Evilpig: PM!
10:32 < ware> rofl
10:32 <@Dolemite> I'll probably get around to it in a couple of weeks
10:32 < ware> oh my goodness
10:32 <@Dolemite> but I've already added it to my battle.net account
10:32 < ware> OH MY GOODNESS
10:32 <@Evilpig> I need to put some pants on and go pick up that desk I talked to the chick over craigslist about
10:32 <@Evilpig> just can't seem to get motivated
10:33 <@nachoguy> pick up the chick, leave the desk
10:33 <@Evilpig> got almost all the tax stuff done now though.  just need the milage on the truck and I think I have it all
10:33 <@Dolemite> Evilpig : The pants part or the desk part causing you the biggest lack of motivation?
10:33 <@nachoguy> use a coaster
10:33 <@Evilpig> I really don't wanna put on pants
10:33 < ware> Dolemite / Evilpig: if yall ever care to share you bnet creds with me so i can try out SC2 lemme know
10:33 <@Evilpig> ware: come by and pick up my external to get a copy of the game and I will loan you my creds one night
10:33 <@Evilpig> just so long as if you find a bug / balance issue, you reporti t
10:34 < ware> sweet!
10:34 < ware> i think im driving to work tomorrow so maybe that will work, ill let ya know
10:34 < ware> ive been keeping up with the game for awhile and excited about it
10:34 <@Dolemite> Just don't wake up the child sleeping in his bed when you come over
10:35 < ware> hopefully beta release means that retail will be soon
10:36 <@Evilpig> should be another two months before release was the estimate
10:36 <@Evilpig> but they really don't want to release it until they feel it's ready
10:36 <@Evilpig> just come by the NOC either sat, sun or mon morning and bring somethign to copy it on
10:37 < ware> wooord, appreciate it
10:41 <@Evilpig> Dolemite: I have a whopping total of 6 ethereal ink
10:41 <@Evilpig> I never got much of it to begin with
10:41 <@Dolemite> That's ok, I don't need them anymore
10:42 <@Dolemite> I AH'ed a stack and that got me high enough in inscription to make Ink of the sea
10:42 <@Dolemite> I was able to mill Northrend flowers, but I couldn't make ink out of the pigment yet
10:42 <@Dolemite> so only needed about 5 skill points
10:42 <@Evilpig> just logged on for the first time in days.  time to collect eggs
10:42 <@Dolemite> easter stuff going on already?
10:42 <@Evilpig> oracle eggs
10:43 <@Dolemite> Lunar Festival?
10:43 <@Evilpig> neither
10:43 <@Dolemite> oh, no, rep
10:43 <@Dolemite> Sholazar
10:43 <@Evilpig> as97242.airspeed.ie  <-- watchign my webcam right now
10:44 <@Dolemite> heh, someone in Ireland likes watching hairy, pantsless men
10:45 <@nachoguy> It's an old celtic luck ritual
10:45 <@nachoguy> watch the unwatchable horror in atonement for what you are going to do later.
10:45 <@Dolemite> It's called getting dressed in the morning for this Irish heritage man.
10:46 <@Evilpig> damnit.  my huntard isn't in sholozar cause someone needed something.  
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10:47 <@Dolemite> speaking of huntards...   I noticed there's no trainer in Undercity - is that right?
10:47 <@Evilpig> sounds right
10:47 <@Dolemite> that sucks
10:48 <@Evilpig> you sure there isn't one in teh war quarter?
10:48 <@Dolemite> I asked a guard
10:48 <@Dolemite> it didn't list hunters under the class trainers
10:48 <@Dolemite> none listed there on wowhead
10:50 < ware> haha
10:50 <@Evilpig> if this package would get here already I could go do some of this other stuff I want to get done
10:50 <@Dolemite> looks like the only one in the eastern kingdoms is Silvermoon City/Eversong Woods area
10:50 <@Dolemite> for Horde, that is
10:50 <@Evilpig> sounds right.  cause undead huntards would be dum
10:51 <@Evilpig> but the bloodelves like them
10:51 <@Evilpig> if you're at UC just take the orb to silvermoon
10:51 <@Dolemite> yeah, I just liked doing quests on both continents...  but travel time is a be0tch
10:51 <@Dolemite> yeah, but Silvermoon City takes so long to get in and out of.  Oh, well.
10:52 <@Evilpig> you've got a mount.  it isn't that bad
10:52 <@Evilpig> egg #1 cobra hatchling
10:52 <@Dolemite> yeah, now I do
10:52 < ware> woot
10:52 <@Dolemite> that's pretty much what I figured I'd have to do
10:53 <@Evilpig> egg #2 tickbird hatchling
10:53 < ware> you keep those or sell em?
10:53 <@Dolemite> I may do Oracle rep on Dolemight.  I did Frenzyheart with Potmos.
10:53 <@Evilpig> they don't sell for crap.  I have a bag full
10:53 <@Evilpig> just tyring to get the mount
10:54 < ware> gotcha
10:54 <@Evilpig> everyone and their brother has it but me
10:54 <@Dolemite> I don't
10:54 <@Dolemite> but then again, I haven't tried
10:54 < ware> is the mount boe?
10:54 <@Evilpig> no
10:54 <@Evilpig> egg #3 aged yolk
10:55 < ware> i like the - Proto-Drake Whelp
10:55 <@Evilpig> egg #4 aged yolk
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10:56 < ware> boo
10:56 <@Evilpig> if I can get some time to play i'ld like to get this mage to 80 and he'd be egg #5
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11:04 <@Dolemite> ok, time for some lunch
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11:11 < ware> woot! first pay stub
11:11 < ware> aint in my bank but still
11:12 < Mercster> Now, I'm going to tell you this quickly, and it's probably going to sting a little bit. Your son's a witch.
11:32 < ware> buildin servers eatin chicken
11:35 <@Dolemite> Are you 100% certain that it's chicken?
11:35 <@Dolemite> After all, so many other things "taste like chicken," that it's hard to say with 100% confidence.
11:35 <@Dolemite> Unless you plucked the bird and fried it yourself
11:36 < ware> got it from the meat market and it looks a lot like chicky breast
11:36 < ware> little place in cookeville near algood that has their own butcher
11:36 < ware> kinda like krogers deli but better
11:36 < ware> awesome cuts and they cheap
11:37 < ware> think i paid $7.50 for 4 full breasts
11:40 <@Dolemite> oh, you're up in that area today?
11:40 <@Dolemite> should have gone to visit Sal at Mamma Rosa's.
11:41 <@Dolemite> Took my son hiking at Burgess Falls this past Autumn...  and managed to not go to Mamma Rosa's afterwards.  Had to get back home for my wife to go do something that night.
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11:43 < ware> yuhp
11:44 < ware> yeah we ate at mamma rosa's after the 2600 hike @ burgess
11:44 < ware> only time ive been there tho
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12:01 < ware> http://na.blackberry.com/eng/services/business/server/express/
12:11 < Todd> I like free
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12:15 < ware> aint out yet tho
12:15 < ware> apprently
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12:33 < ware> http://file.wikileaks.org/files/microsoft-spy.pdf
12:35 < ware> http://cryptomeorg.siteprotect.net/
12:39 <@coil> ware has turned into an rss reader
12:39 < ware> coil: opes
12:39 <@coil> wut
12:39 < ware> ops
12:40 <@coil> idk is it safe
12:40 < ware> hacker tested, mcaffee approved
12:42 <@Corydon76-dig> coil: you may op him
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12:43  * ware whistles
12:47 <@coil> rude
12:48 < ware> <3
12:48 < Todd> what's wrong with RSS readers?
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12:49 <@Corydon76-dig> Todd: he suggested that ware IS one
12:49 < Todd> ah right
12:55 < ware> i am not a bot
12:59 <@Dolemite> OMG, I can't believe YouTube took down the rick roll video, only to have to bring it back
12:59 < eryc> they're never gonna let that go are they
13:00 <@Dolemite> they can't, it's not part of cultural history
13:01 < eryc> joke fail
13:01 < ware> never gonna give you up
13:01 <@Dolemite> well, had you said they were never gonna give that up
13:01 < ware> yep
13:01 < eryc> there are many lyrics
13:01 <@Dolemite> but only one song title
13:02 < ware> i dont think never gonna let you go is in the lyrics
13:02 <@Corydon76-dig> ware: 888-DIGIUM-1.  It is.
13:03 <@Dolemite> Never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down
13:03 < ware> which is NOT let you go
13:03 < ware> so i win
13:03 < ware> ware/dolemite: 1
13:03 < ware> Corydon76/eryc: 0
13:03 <@Corydon76-dig> ware: that's just the chorus
13:03  * ware highfives Dolemite 
13:03 <@Dolemite> I'm on a lyrics site
13:03 <@Dolemite> it ain't in there
13:03 < ware> im looking at the lyrics as well haha
13:04 <@Corydon76-dig> And I wouldn't brag about knowing the lyrics
13:04 <@Dolemite> why not?
13:04 <@Corydon76-dig> btw, those are official lyrics, which does not always perfectly match up with what performers actually sing
13:05 < ware> i would still say that he has never said that in his life
13:05 <@Corydon76-dig> Dolemite: not really my cup of tea
13:05 < ware> singing or otherwise
13:06 <@Corydon76-dig> ware: depends... if he wrote the song, he probably experimented with all sorts of lyrics
13:06 <@Dolemite> he didn't write it
13:07 < Todd> ,
13:07 < Todd> 3,
13:07 < Todd> 33333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333333
13:07 < ware> cool story
13:07 <@Corydon76-dig> Todd: try Ctrl-L
13:08 < Todd> oops.. was walking downstairs
13:08 <@Corydon76-dig> Walking on the 3 key?
13:08 < Todd> apparently one of my fingers were
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14:02 <@coil> Corydon76-dig you still have 888-DIGIUM-1 on rick roll?
14:08 <@brookshire> Rick Roll 888-DIGIUM1
14:11 <@mog> omg its brookshire
14:11 <@mog> where have you been
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14:37 <@brookshire> i just drop in occasionally to lay down the rick roll and leave
14:37 <@Evilpig> http://image-swirl.googlelabs.com
14:49  * opticron blinks
15:04 < eryc> http://www.boingboing.net/2010/02/25/rip-old-school-elect.html
15:04 <@Corydon76-dig> coil: I leave stuff as-is unless it's costing me mucho
15:05 <@Corydon76-dig> I did get two senior Digium managers with that, though
15:06 <@coil> oh so its been up for the two or so years the whole time?
15:06 <@Corydon76-dig> No, it's been down, but that was more to me not paying for a transfer than anything else
15:07 <@coil> oh
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15:25 < eryc> http://craftastrophe.net/2010/02/bored-at-work-dead-fly-art-will-keep-you-busy/
15:31 < ware> rofl
15:36 < ware> boards of canada - dayvan cowboy
15:39 <@Dagmar> Oh holy shit
15:39 <@Dagmar> When did they toss out image swirl?
15:41 <@coil> quite a while ago
15:41 <@Dagmar> I just typed in 'LCARS' on a whim
15:41 <@Dagmar> It's got all the bloody results sorted by their _similarities_
15:41 <@Dagmar> That's freakin' epic
15:42 < ware> hahaha
15:42 <@Dagmar> If that's all being done in software, that's just so much better than the normal tagged image search it's not even funny
15:43 < eryc> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=My-P4LssMsI
15:44 < ware> Dagmar: you see pig got sc2 beta keys
15:44 < ware> two* of em
15:45 <@Dagmar> Yeah I know a lot of people who did
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15:45 <@Dagmar> Being that I'm rather uninterested in the multiplayer stuff yet, if I have to wait until the release box is in my hand, that'll be fine
15:46 < eryc> im holding out for world of starcraft
15:47 < ware> no single player in beta?
15:47 <@Dagmar> Nope.
15:47 <@Dagmar> The beta is strictly multiplayer testing
15:47 <@Dagmar> No storyline/plot at all
15:48 < eryc> lies
15:48 < ware> well f tits
15:48 < eryc> i'm on the gamma team i have campaign mode
15:48 < ware> Dolemite: gonna need you bnet account
15:48 < ware> so me and my roomie can play
15:48 < ware> ty
15:49 < ware> eryc: charlie team > beta && gamma
15:49 <@Dagmar> If you like mutliplayer that sort of thing I'm sure it'll be great
15:50 < eryc> tango down
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17:11 <@Dagmar> Baffling.
17:12 <@Dagmar> Somehow EM hijinks managed to change just one digit on the magstripe on my work badge
17:12 <@Dagmar> I suppose now I can say "it's rare, but I've seen it happen"
17:17 < eryc> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=My-P4LssMsI
17:22 < eryc> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yi7s8pHaYVI
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17:27 < Mercster> hah
17:27 < Mercster> check out how cute this little girl is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTx2yNmHdgA
17:27 < Mercster> WHAT IS THIS, MINCED?!
17:27 < Mercster> YOU EVER CATCH A MINCED FISH?!
17:28 < rattleXw> Pedo
17:29 < Mercster> ...
17:29 < Mercster> keep yer mouth shut, dipshit
17:30 < Mercster> adults are talking
17:35 <@m0j0-j0j0> hardly
17:36 <@m0j0-j0j0> I have social media fellatio to attend to.
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17:41 < Mercster> hm, nexuiz or quake live
17:49 < eryc> http://soundcloud.com/rook/lectroid-remix-wip1
17:49 < eryc> roxor
17:50 <@Catonic> Busy, eh?
17:52 <@Catonic> Wow, something about being here just makes the evil seep right out of me.
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17:55 < eryc> >'<
17:56 <@Dagmar> Image swirl is freaking amazing
17:57 < eryc> http://image-swirl.googlelabs.com/html?q=your%20mom#259
17:59 < Mercster> bah
17:59 < Mercster> "tits"
17:59 < Mercster> "this query is not included in the demo"
17:59 < Mercster> USELESS!
18:00 <@Dagmar> You know, I was really considering a query like that later tonight, just to see
18:00 <@Dagmar> What _would_ their algorithm make of the important distinctions between images for that one
18:00 < eryc> http://image-swirl.googlelabs.com/html?q=vaginal#
18:00 <@Dagmar> I'm sure at least one would be little white birds
18:00 < eryc> http://image-swirl.googlelabs.com/html?q=breast#
18:01 < eryc> http://image-swirl.googlelabs.com/html?q=buttocks#
18:01 < eryc> there you go
18:01 < eryc> tits and ass baby
18:01 < eryc> Dagmar: check out that soundcloud link
18:02  * dasunt ponders.
18:18 < Mercster> well, quake live wont work in chrome
18:18 < Mercster> so i guess that makes the decision for me
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19:39 < Synx_hm> Fucking B&N wants to charge for Alice's Adventures in Wonderland in ebook
19:39 <@Dagmar> Of course they do
19:39 < Synx_hm> wtf
19:39 < Synx_hm> they offer other public domain books for free
19:39 < Synx_hm> i guess with the movie
19:40 <@Dagmar> They probably want you to pay as much for the ebook as you would for the electronic one that only costs them a smidge of bandwidth.
19:40 < Synx_hm> anyways where can i get a quality .epub
19:40 <@Dagmar> Check Google for it
19:40 <@sasquatc4> http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Main_Page
19:40 <@Dagmar> Or that
19:40 <@sasquatc4> they do epub encoding
19:40 < Synx_hm> sasquatc4: ya i found that, thanks wasn't sure how legit it was but looked good, testing it now
19:40 < Synx_hm> spanks
19:40 <@sasquatc4> naw gutenberg is totally legit
19:41 < Synx_hm> cool
19:41 <@Dagmar> Gutenburg is entirely legit.
19:41 < Synx_hm> i really wish the nook let me browse by folder arg
19:41 < Synx_hm> ive got a million pdfs
19:41 <@Dagmar> Companies citing it and Google's support of it as some sort of theft ring should have their right to copyright revoked for entering the agreement in bad faith
19:42 <@Dagmar> Fuckers need to be forcibly reminded that a copyright is a limited-time agreement after which time society no longer owes them any exclusive rights
19:42 <@Dagmar> It is not a grant of exclusivity in perpetuity.
19:43 < Synx_hm> yar
19:43 < Synx_hm> sasquatc4: you have a kindle?
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19:52 < Synx_hm> how about you dag?
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20:01 <@Dagmar> nope.
20:01 <@Dagmar> If they were a little less pricey I'd consider it tho
20:01 <@Dagmar> Especially since Bezos is looking to bring those jackasses into the 21st century kicking and screaming if he has to
20:02 <@Dagmar> This practice of charging the same for an ebook as a print book is fucking STUPID and has to stop
20:02 <@Dagmar> The flagrant gouging of the computer I feel is the number one cause of piracy next to "being broke"
20:02 <@Dagmar> s/computer/consumer/;
20:03 <@Dagmar> There's a study Opheria came across in her psych/socio classes that's relevant to this
20:03 <@Dagmar> They taught some monkeys to play poker
20:04 <@Dagmar> They then taught the monkeys how to buy things with "currency"
20:04 <@Dagmar> They discovered that the monkeys, without being taught this, have an innate sense of "cheating" as well as "fair play".
20:04 <@Dagmar> Fucking _monkeys_
20:05 <@Dagmar> If they cheated at poker, it would piss off the monkey, and eventually he'd stop playing with that person
20:05 < epoxy> Dagmar, what ebook is the same price as print?
20:05 <@Dagmar> To an only _marginal_ lesser degree, the monkeys would _refuse winnings_ if they arbitrarily declared the monkey the winner of a hand
20:06 <@Dagmar> epoxy: Look at more than just Amazon and their "horrible" pricing
20:06 <@Dagmar> It's the reason there's a stink about their $9.99 ebook pricing in the first plaec
20:07 <@sasquatc4> i thought it was cause apple was pushing them to push amazon up in price so apple could hit 9.99
20:07 <@sasquatc4> or whatever price they wanted
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20:07 <@Dagmar> sasquatc4: No, Bezos is looking to corner the electronic book market, and he doesn't care if he loses $5 per every book sold until 2012
20:08 <@sasquatc4> ahh
20:08 <@Dagmar> Problem being some of the publishers still want to charge $24.95
20:08 <@Dagmar> They don't really have any excuse for that
20:09 <@Dagmar> Anyway, if a fucking monkey can spot a bad deal, what do you think people see when they're looking at a book for $24.95, or _no book_ for... $24.95
20:09 <@Dagmar> ...or say, a blank CD and jewel case for thirty cents, and a music CD for eighteen dollars
20:09 <@Dagmar> They see a bad deal.
20:10 <@Dagmar> This shit should benefit consumers and producers equally, but that's not the way it's working out
20:10 <@Dagmar> Both these industries have become bloated and mired in their own crap, unable to change, and unwilling to change
20:10 <@Dagmar> They are *fucked* unless something radical happens soon
20:10 < epoxy> but you logic is flawed. You give someone the option between a shiny sports car and a big house... or "helping people out" .. or even the environment... and you can guess which one they choose
20:11 <@Dagmar> My logic?
20:11 < epoxy> their
20:11 <@Dagmar> What's my logic got to do with what goes through the head of a monkey?
20:12 < epoxy> kittens
20:12 <@Dagmar> Apparently.
20:12 <@Dagmar> Book publishers _used_ to contract a printer to print books.
20:12 <@Dagmar> I don't think that's the case anymore.
20:13 <@Dagmar> I think their major problem is that their bottom line now also involves the revenue from printing the book so they can essentially sell services to themselves.
20:13 <@Dagmar> They're willing to stop printing, but only if they get to keep _all_ the money, which is ludicrous on the face of it
20:14 <@Dagmar> the recording industry is just pissing away money on parties, executives, and advertising.
20:18 <@Dagmar> Advertising, for them, is the ultimate way to launder money
20:19 <@Dagmar> Charge yourself pretty much any rate you like to advertise, do as much of it as you want, and you can justify any crazy budget for it so long as it's less than the record sales that result from it
20:19 <@Dagmar> The more money you spend, the larger and more important your little corner of the "industry" is.,
20:19 <@Dagmar> There's no competition, there's no incentive to cut that silly shit out, and there's definitely no way they're lowering prices on anything.
20:20 <@Dagmar> You remember how about two years ago they levvied a pretty fuckin ludicrous fee against webcasters that all but killed streaming online music?
20:20 <@Dagmar> NOW they're going back for another try at terrestrial broadcast FM.
20:21 <@Dagmar> ...I find it highly amusing that _now_ these media companies are upset enough about it to air PSAs complaining about it.
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20:22 <@Dagmar> They didn't really seem bothered when this shit added a massive barrier to entry to webcasters
20:27 < epoxy> you need a blog or something
20:30 <@Dagmar> WHat I really need is a gun and a licence to maim
20:30 < Mercster> UNLEASH NERD RAGE
20:30 < Mercster> http://i.imgur.com/ewClo.gif
20:30 < Mercster> this is what i look like when im reading dagmar type http://i.imgur.com/ewClo.gif
20:31 <@Dagmar> Either htat or a really heavy rubber chicken for beating sense into people with, or at least making a scene big enough that they'll realize they're fucking up on the order of "moon sized"
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20:33 <@opticron> Dagmar, the world is full of idiots and you can only maim so many before being arrested, go out with a bang and make sure people notice :D
20:33 <@opticron> i might help, too
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22:08 <@Dagmar> Nah, had a massive blowout like that when I was 15.
22:09 <@Dagmar> It set new standards for how to quit Opryland, but didn't accomplish much except create some spectacular gossip
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22:21 <@Dagmar> Perhaps they're still overstocked from the SuperBowl deal
22:23 <@opticron> i haven't had a blowout, but I can see it coming from a looooong way off
22:24 <@opticron> i will eventually lose it and tear into some tard that just told me something like "the world is flat" in a serious tone
22:25 <@opticron> but that's only after a day of extreme bullshit
22:25 <@Dagmar> Been there, done that
22:25 <@opticron> actually, I did lose my cool once in middle school
22:25 < Mercster> haha
22:26 <@opticron> not sure what set me off, but next thing the other guy knew he was pinned and getting slapped around
22:26 <@Corydon76-dig> opticron: That's hard to imagine.
22:27 <@Corydon76-dig> opticron: probably similar to me getting angry
22:27 <@opticron> he resolved to not fuck with me for the rest of his life
22:27 <@opticron> Corydon76-dig, yeah, i have a hard time imagining you angry as well
22:28 <@Corydon76-dig> opticron: Let's just say I seem to have a large reserve of adrenaline
22:28 <@opticron> heh
22:29 <@opticron> what's bad is that the new president at the uni I attend is seriously pissing me off along with the rest of the student body
22:29 <@opticron> and I see him at the gym once a week or so
22:29 <@opticron> and my blood boils EVERY TIME
22:29 < Mercster> we'll be waiting for you to ascend the clocktower with a rifle
22:30 <@opticron> i'm not that dumb
22:30 <@Corydon76-dig> "a terrible horrible accident... accident... accident..."
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22:33 <@Dagmar> opticron: The question is, are you *this* dumb: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2HtjYbeJdY
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22:34 <@opticron> ugh....
22:36 < Mercster> whats even dumber is that if either of you got into that chick's pants, you'd be her slave forever
22:36  * opticron dies inside
22:36 <@opticron> that's a negatory
22:37 <@opticron> I can't stand dumb people
22:37 < Mercster> keep telling yourself that
22:37 <@opticron> i get violent and angry around extreme amounts of dumb
22:37 < Mercster> ya we fear your nerd rage
22:37 < Mercster> settle down, toughguy! i know what a piccalo is!
22:38 < Mercster> so maybe we could get together
22:38  * Mercster winks at opticron 
22:38 <@opticron> sounds good to me
22:38 <@opticron> anyone want to watch?
22:38 < Mercster> pick a low
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22:41 <@opticron> ugh, watching the rest of those clips
22:42 <@opticron> it's hard to believe she's intelligent enough to breathe
22:42 < eryc> why would she need intelligence to survive
22:42 < fie> opticron, sounds like my type of girl.
22:43 <@opticron> she obviously doesn't need it
22:43 <@opticron> it makes me sad every time I realize half the country is near her level of unintelligence
22:45 <@Dagmar> She's *so* pretty tho
22:45 <@Dagmar> It practically broke my heart to hear her be that du-u-u-u-umb
22:45 <@opticron> maybe in 50 years or so we can fix that kind of situation with brain transplants
22:46 <@opticron> put a sexy physicist brain in there
22:48 <@Dagmar> *pantpant*
22:48 <@opticron> yep
22:48 <@opticron> she can look pretty AND hold a conversation without drooling all over herself
22:51 < Mercster> is this what you'd talk to her about
22:51 < Mercster> how stupid everyone else is
22:51 < Mercster> that's what really gets 'em going
23:17 < fie> Does anyone that knows Perl want to have a script-off against my PHP skillz?
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23:24 < Mercster> hey Hey HEY, like FAAAAAT albert!
23:24 < Mercster> im tha method MAN, aint no if or andz aBOUT IT
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23:26 < fie> Mercster, program against me.
23:26 < Mercster> in perl? no thanks
23:27 < Mercster> besides im an admin type, i only "program" when i need to do something fast and dirty
23:29 < Mercster> the last thing i wrote was a dumb bash script to parse a shortwave radio listing
23:29 < Mercster> http://quanta.homeip.net/check-radio.txt
23:31 < fie> Mercster, what do you wnat to program against me with?
23:32 <@Dagmar> Merc: I salute your cleanliness, but there's some slightly better test operators that can be used, since it's "officially" a bash script and not a shell script
23:32 < Mercster> MY WILL
23:32 <@Dagmar> -eq -n -z are all very handy
23:32 <@Dagmar> In this case, it looks like yer just missing da infoz bout -n and -z
23:33 < Mercster> Dagmar: yeah i dunno what those do
23:34 < Mercster> Dagmar: the only reason it's a bash script is cuz that's what distributed with cygwin, as far as i know
23:34 <@Dagmar> -z is true if the length of hte argument is zero.  -n is true if it's non-zero
23:34 <@Dagmar> So, no more == "" checks
23:34 < Mercster> Dagmar: ah
23:34 <@Dagmar> You can just flat out say if -z "$1"
23:34 < Mercster> Dagmar: well this is more readable, as you pointed out
23:34 < Mercster> im not out to be succinct for the hell of it (hello perl)
23:35 <@Dagmar> null and undefined states in bash make me angry
23:35 <@Dagmar> On general principle
23:35 <@Dagmar> I had to just scribble something up for the DBS to give it an exists() function
23:36 <@Dagmar> That way we can actually have the damn thing know the difference between having say, PKG_CFLAGS being set to "" or entirely unset
23:37 < Mercster> when i actually had to do stuff for production environments, i always preferred korn shell
23:37 <@Dagmar> It makes some of the logic in constructing what CFLAGS might get passed to the build environment a lot less hairy
23:38 < Mercster> Dagmar: no automake?
23:38 <@Dagmar> Notably now we can explicitly set the goddamn thing to "" or not set it in the environment at all
23:38 <@Dagmar> There's automake, but we don't wnat to have anything to dowith it
23:38 < Mercster> heh
23:38 <@Dagmar> The DBS is for turning source packages into binary packages
23:40 <@Dagmar> At that point, the _less_ we can do to interfere with how somehting builds, the better.
23:41 < Mercster> whatever works, man
23:41 <@Dagmar> If we were to start mucking about with .am files, it could materially change linking flags
23:41 < Mercster> ive certainly put in place my share of jerry rigs in my time
23:41 <@Dagmar> Or, as in the case of a few packages, since no one sat down on the fucker really hard, result in someone getting the idea that the entire damn thing needs to be compiled with libtool2
23:42 < Mercster> as long as it provides job security, and secondarily, does what needs to get done
23:42 < Mercster> go for it
23:42 <@Dagmar> That's not a tool we should have to fuck with
23:42 <@Dagmar> All manner of weird things could go wrong with it
23:42 < Mercster> depends on the target id wager, which should be fairly standard
23:42 <@Dagmar> While libtool has some insane bits, the worst of it has been beaten out of it (like it used to link every library you threw at it, and every library those libraries needed)
23:43 <@Dagmar> ...even the ones with no symbols used by the program at all.
23:43 <@Dagmar> You could write hello world, compile it linked against libz, and the older libtool in certain circumstances could actually get confused and make libz a runtime dependency
23:43 < Mercster> well, thats why ldd on most binaries these days can OOM most boxen
23:44 <@Dagmar> The bits that are being needed are because they're using the autogen tools to rebuild the automake/autoconf/libtool helper files
23:44 <@Dagmar> A SHIT TON of work that's not needed
23:44 <@Dagmar> Mercster: The problem is long gone tho
23:44 < Mercster> work by who, the linker or the maintainers? :)
23:45 <@Dagmar> We noticed right away when we had Evolution binaries that were merrily linking in just _every_ goddamn library on the entire machine
23:45 <@Dagmar> Work by us, the guys building hte binaries
23:45 <@Dagmar> If the result breaks, or the process breaks, we've a huge hairy meatball to swallow fixing it
23:45 < Mercster> well again that depends on the target.
23:46 <@Dagmar> What's _supposed_ to happen is that libraries which actually have a symbol in use by the binary should be listed as a runtime dependency, and ONLY those
23:46 < Mercster> but you may not have the luxury of a completely configuration managed enterprise
23:46 < Mercster> right but why do the available shared libs change
23:46 <@Dagmar> Any child dependencies from there are supposed to be handled by link instructions pointing at those
23:46 <@Dagmar> Mercster: If there's a child library not there, then fine the shit's going to break
23:46 <@Dagmar> BUT
23:47 <@Dagmar> Let's say you had an wholly _optional_ dependency in the package
23:47 <@Dagmar> Like the thing actually could support widget-X, if it's installed, by calling a dynamically loaded bit
23:47 <@Dagmar> If libtool fucked up, everything now has widget-X as a runtime, non-optional dependeny
23:48 < Mercster> well thats what automake is for
23:48 < Mercster> but i dont blame you for avoiding it
23:48 <@Dagmar> Actually, it's literally what libtool is for
23:48 <@Dagmar> libtool is supposed to filter out the linkages to shared libs that a binary doesn't need
23:49 <@Dagmar> Automake's just for rounding up the important bits and making sure libtool is actually aware of which libs it should consider
23:49 < Mercster> i dont know it any deeper down than automake
23:49 < Mercster> im an unfrozen admin
23:50 <@Dagmar> I am more of the kind who is used to everything being not only unfrozen, but on fire
23:50 < Mercster> heh
23:50 < Mercster> well that makes it interesting
23:50 < Mercster> sounds like you are doing configuration management
23:50 <@Dagmar> ...because the dumb sonofabitch coming to me for help had the bad sense to try and compile GNOME himself using a mixture of PPC flags he thought looked cool, and some extra -m shit they copied from Gentoo
23:50 < Mercster> but they dont call it that anymore, i dojt think
23:50 <@Dagmar> ...and they've left half a dozen obsolete versions of everything lurking around in /usr/lib
23:50 < Mercster> there used to be whole departments dedicated to doing what you do
23:51 < Mercster> just making sure changes and requirements are recorded and satisfied over large numbers of systems
23:51 < Mercster> that was back when the economy didnt suck
23:53 < Mercster> but that was a very controlled environment anyway, automake would have been overkill for the targets we were interested in
23:53 < Mercster> i mainly took care of cvs repos
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23:53 < Mercster> hi Peaches1984
23:54 < Mercster> Dagmar: hah, PPC and gentoo flags :)
23:54 < Mercster> thats a laugh
23:55 < Mercster> i happened to have inhabited the same space as de icaza back when gnome was sub-1.0, i used to build it every week or so
23:57 < Mercster> late 90s
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23:57 < Mercster> course gnome is much larger now
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