--- Log opened Mon Feb 15 00:00:06 2010 00:02 <@dasunt> Speaking of constitutions, the Constitution of Alabama, the longest in-use constitution in the world, weighs in at over 350,000 words. It has 798 amendments, not including amendments 621 and 693, which do not exist. They cover everything from mosquito control taxes, to bingo, to protecting against "the evils arising from the use of intoxicating liquors at all elections," as well as the typical government operation stuff. 00:03 <@dasunt> WTF? 00:05 <@ShadowHntr> wtf? 00:09 < ware> ftw! 00:16 <@ShadowHntr> :) 00:16 -!- rattle [~rattle@tor/regular/rattle] has joined #se2600 00:16 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o rattle] by ChanServ 00:28 -!- sasquatc3 [sasquatc4@c-76-25-180-64.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 00:28 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o sasquatc3] by ChanServ 00:28 -!- sasquatc4 [sasquatc4@c-76-25-180-64.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 00:28 -!- sasquatc3 is now known as sasquatc4 00:30 < ware> http://beonlineb.com/ 00:33 <@crash180> When I saw the link, I thought it would be an online version of beos 00:35 -!- crash180 is now known as CRasH180 00:55 -!- Peaches1984 [blue@c-69-137-80-31.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 00:57 -!- ShadowHntr [~sentinel@wikipedia/Shadowhntr] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:05 <@sasquatc4> grrrr win 7 01:05 <@sasquatc4> introducin issues that werent there before 01:07 <@Evilpig> I've had no problems with 7 01:09 <@sasquatc4> it seems to have introduced dpc latency issues, never had any on xp, and now it seems as tho something somewhere is causing random spikes 01:09 <@sasquatc4> and they arent particularly consistent either, and ive systematically turned off and on each component, done each network interface, sd readers, sound cards, everything, and it doesnt matter, i still get spikes 01:11 <@sasquatc4> the only thing left is possibly the vid card, apparently nvidia has driver issues with downclocking their cards when they should/shouldnt be, and that process causes spiking 01:12 < ware> dpc? 01:13 <@sasquatc4> deferred procedure call, basically an interrupt 01:13 < ware> Computing. An abbreviation meaning Deferred Procedure Call. A DPC is a software interrupt which is triggered by the kernel when it detects a "hung" condition deep within a thread or process it is attempting to terminate. In general, this allows the process to complete its work before the impending termination or context switch. 01:13 < ware> interestin' 01:13 <@sasquatc4> issues can happen with them though with poorly written drivers, usually wireless and audio, that have too many interrupts and prevent other interrupts from occuring 01:14 <@sasquatc4> so if your doing audio work, it fucks you, since you get random pops or drops in audio 01:14 < ware> ive only had disk issues with my 3 instances of win7 01:14 <@sasquatc4> most people use this, http://www.thesycon.de/deu/latency_check.shtml 01:14 <@sasquatc4> for quick checks 01:15 <@sasquatc4> hmm, maybe it is the nvidia drivers, guess ill let it run for at least 10min, see if it picks one up from them or not since now i got them turned off 01:25 <@sasquatc4> well that looks to be it then, crappy nvidia x64 drivers 01:27 <@sasquatc4> at least its satisfying to know, not that i can do anything about it unless i wanna track down the ghetto registry hacks to force the card into certain modes 02:03 -!- sasquatc4 [sasquatc4@c-76-25-180-64.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [] 02:06 -!- sasquatc4 [sasquatc4@c-76-25-180-64.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 02:06 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o sasquatc4] by ChanServ 03:26 <@Evilpig> sasquatc4: I have had one issue with the nvidia x64 drivers as well. but mine is ultra specific and it hard locks the machine 03:26 <@Evilpig> well two issues. they have a driver regression problem in relation to my monitor as well 03:30 <@sasquatc4> seems this is a sort of long standing issue with their drivers causing dpc spiking 03:30 <@sasquatc4> keeps coming and going with various revisions 03:30 -!- sasquatc4 [sasquatc4@c-76-25-180-64.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [] 03:34 -!- sasquatc4 [sasquatc4@c-76-25-180-64.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 03:34 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o sasquatc4] by ChanServ 07:13 -!- CRasH180 [~crash180@pdpc/supporter/silver/CRasH180] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:13 -!- CRasH180 [~crash180@96.5.81.157] has joined #se2600 07:24 -!- Peaches1984 [purple@c-69-137-80-31.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 07:40 -!- Peaches1984 [purple@c-69-137-80-31.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 08:03 -!- CRasH180 [~crash180@96.5.81.157] has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:28 -!- Drag0n` [~nunya@199.180.3.25] has joined #se2600 08:28 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Drag0n`] by ChanServ 08:31 -!- devoid [~devnull@unaffiliated/devemo] has joined #se2600 08:31 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o devoid] by ChanServ 08:31 * devoid is at school 08:31 <@devoid> Love SSH tunnels 09:14 -!- m0j0-j0j0 [~m0j0-j0j0@vnet503-hosoc.mcclatchyinteractive.com] has joined #se2600 09:14 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o m0j0-j0j0] by ChanServ 09:23 <@Evilpig> devoid: just setup a phproxy site somehwere. almost as good 09:23 <@Evilpig> but no putty required 09:26 <@devoid> I *don't* want my site blocked however. 09:27 -!- daswork [~opera@71.36.142.59] has joined #se2600 09:27 < daswork> I hate customers. 09:27 < daswork> I hate them all. 09:28 <@Corydon76-dig> daswork: if you ignore them, they'll eventually go away 09:28 < daswork> I wish that was the case. 09:28 < daswork> I really wish I could be honest with this customer. 09:29 < daswork> "Sir, the only thing I can help you with is to stay on the phone and ask you to read everything you see on the screen. Since you aren't bothering to read the fucking screen without calling me first, this will probably be useful." 09:29 <@Corydon76-dig> "You're too stupid to use a computer" 09:31 < daswork> Yes. 09:33 -!- Dolemite [~scott@99-2-141-173.lightspeed.nsvltn.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 09:33 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Dolemite] by ChanServ 09:33 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, snowbe0tches and h0ez! 09:33 <@m0j0-j0j0> daswork: "Oh, the problem is that you're trying to use your computer while you are on your phone. You should hang up and try the process again. If that doesn't work you should call us back to get more help!" 09:38 < daswork> If I could call in sick and still get paid, I would. 09:38 < daswork> Because I really want to kill people. 09:41 < daswork> But hey, shitty benefits leads to shitty service sometimes. 09:41 < daswork> And seriously people, stop browsing porn and using limewire. 09:42 < daswork> You guys keep infecting yourself over and over again. 09:43 <@Dolemite> Hey, now, I can browse porn without getting malware and viruses. :P 09:43 <@Dolemite> It's when you believe that there's such a thing as a "Free Porn" website that it gets you in trouble 09:44 < daswork> Wait, are you telling me that .exe isn't legit? 09:44 <@Dolemite> I can't say for sure, but I have a suspicion! 09:45 < daswork> But the email said it was! 09:45 <@Corydon76-dig> Dolemite: there ARE free porn websites. You just have to know where to look. 09:46 <@Dolemite> I like my all-you-can-download for $12/month site. 09:46 <@Corydon76-dig> http://bananaguide.com/ 09:46 * Dolemite knows better than to click on Corydon links 09:46 < daswork> Supposedly, Suicide Girls is good, if you're into that sort of thing. 09:47 <@Corydon76-dig> That's a front page, and it's safe 09:47 < daswork> I like tattoos, but not in the porn way. 09:47 <@Corydon76-dig> Just don't click THROUGH 09:47 < daswork> But a lot of people seem to go crazy over SG. 09:47 <@Dolemite> I like good tats. Unfortunately the bad ones far outnumber the good ones. 09:48 < daswork> Aye. 09:48 < daswork> And some people confuse quantity with quality. 09:48 <@Dolemite> yup 09:48 < daswork> It's also hard to find tattoos that have a good use of negative space, IMO. 09:48 <@Dolemite> Or they get a second one to distract from the bad first one, only the second ends up worse. And so on, etc. 09:48 <@Corydon76-dig> http://dailytrojan.com/2010/02/10/adult-film-actors-give-insight-to-gay-porn/ SFW 09:49 < daswork> Or the "I'm an idiot and I thought this was cool when I was 18." 09:49 <@Dolemite> Fortunately I've yet to see some pr0n hoochie with a tattoo of The Last Supper on her crotch. 09:49 <@Dolemite> Though that may be worth downloading for the sheer novelty of it 09:50 < daswork> OMG. 09:50 < daswork> How I hate people. 09:51 <@nachoguy> mr0nin 09:51 < daswork> "I've used you to fix two computers already and now I have a third seperate computer and you're going to charge me to fix it?" 09:51 < daswork> NO FUCKING SHIT SHERLOCK. 10:04 < daswork> Why haven't I seen an "Antivirus 7" yes? 10:34 -!- fie [~fie@208.1.31.32] has joined #se2600 10:43 <@devoid> Because WIndows 7 has no viruses! It's revolutionary! 10:44 < daswork> Why the fuck do dumb people keep calling me? 10:44 < daswork> "Hey, I dropped off my laptop at noon on Friday. It's 10:45 on Monday morning, I really need my laptop by noon. No, I didn't tell the person this when I dropped it off." 10:52 <@nachoguy> "I'm sorry sir, policy dictates that the laptop must remain in quarentine for 24 hours after fixing, otherwise we cannot guarentee it's status" 11:03 <@Corydon76-dig> There is some benefit to doing that. You can essentially hide a laptop from somebody who might otherwise be looking for it. 11:03 <@nachoguy> it also means that if you're not going to give the tech enough time to fix it, you can't hold them responsible if it isn't fixed 11:03 -!- Venom_X [~pjacobs@cpe-67-9-131-167.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #se2600 11:03 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Venom_X] by ChanServ 11:04 <@Corydon76-dig> No, I meant hiding a computer at a repair shop 11:04 <@nachoguy> you mean like train station/airport lockers in old movies? 11:05 <@nachoguy> or the USPS in the Maltese Falcon 11:38 -!- digitalirony is now known as Hidden_DI 12:20 -!- Hidden_DI is now known as digitalirony 12:24 <@Dagmar> Suuuck. 12:24 <@Dagmar> Looking outside has made me want donuts 12:25 <@Dagmar> Something to go with the sugary glaze in my parking lot 12:31 < fall0ut> fuck the rain 12:31 < fall0ut> fuck the snow 12:31 < fall0ut> and the cold 12:32 <@Dagmar> Corydon/Nachoguy: It's easy to hide a computer in a repair shop. 12:32 <@Dagmar> You just cover it with documentation. 12:32 <@Dagmar> *No one* will think to look there. 12:33 <@Dagmar> It's as easy as hiding pot from a hippie. You just put it under his tie. 12:33 <@nachoguy> Pawn shop, you've got 30 days to come back and reclaim it 12:36 <@nachoguy> They're required to check it in with the local PD, in case it's stolen. But if no one knows that it exists, no one will be looking for it 12:43 -!- daswork [~opera@71.36.142.59] has left #se2600 [] 12:49 <@Dolemite> Dagmar : I take it that you won't be making it in? 12:51 <@Dagmar> At this point I'm thinking it's a spectacularly bad idea 12:51 <@Dolemite> ok, looks like I'll be here a loooooooong time today 12:51 <@Dagmar> Someone in an SUV will crush me 12:52 <@Dagmar> I made a pass around the parking lot and it was decidedly sneaky about it. I slap the brakes, the tires didn't even bother making noise 13:03 < ware> on the scoot? 13:03 <@Dolemite> The next time I hire someone I'm going to make sure that they live walking distance to the data center :P 13:04 < ware> i got my jorb back @ GP 13:04 < ware> starting tomorrow woohoo 13:04 <@Dolemite> Finally time to stop sucking the insurance teet! 13:04 < ware> shiat, i got bills up to my eyeballs 13:26 <@sdodson> Dolemite employs his entire channel. 13:30 -!- Peaches1984 [~Peaches19@bna-69-171-173-179.evdo.leapwireless.net] has joined #se2600 13:32 <@Dagmar> ware: No, that was in the beemerskate 13:32 <@Dagmar> Front wheel drive, ABS, but small tires 13:32 <@Dagmar> ABS doesn't even try when both tires are equally sliding 13:51 <@Dolemite> Well it's a good thing I didn't bring in my girl scout cookies today, I'd end up eating both boxes before end of this shift. 14:02 -!- Venom_X_ [~pjacobs@cpe-67-9-131-167.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #se2600 14:02 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Venom_X_] by ChanServ 14:03 -!- Venom_X [~pjacobs@cpe-67-9-131-167.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:03 -!- Venom_X_ is now known as Venom_X 14:10 -!- R3d2Dawn [~R3d2Dawn@66-38-99-178.pool.dsl.nctc.com] has joined #se2600 14:10 -!- R3d2Dawn [~R3d2Dawn@66-38-99-178.pool.dsl.nctc.com] has quit [Client Quit] 14:30 <@sdodson> Isn't FWD good on ice? 14:30 <@sdodson> Front Wheel Drive 14:30 <@nachoguy> sdodson, fairly good. Better than old school RWD 14:30 <@nachoguy> some of the newer RWD cars claim to be as good as FWD 14:30 <@nachoguy> YMMV 14:34 <@Dagmar> They're nuts 14:34 <@Dagmar> front wheel drive is good for one thing in bad weather, and that's climbing slopes 14:35 <@Dagmar> For generally sticking-to-the-roadness it's not as useful as rear-wheel drive 14:35 <@Dagmar> It's trying to get traction that makes you slide, and two things create that... steering and accelleration/decelleration 14:35 <@Dagmar> You're way better off if you can split that between two sets of tires 14:38 < oddball> Ummm... front wheel is better in slick conditions for turning since the power is going in the direction that you're trying to turn. 14:38 <@Dolemite> eeep! It's alive! 14:38 < oddball> brains? 14:38 <@Dolemite> None here 14:38 < oddball> damn 14:39 <@Dagmar> Having driven on ice in both, I'll still take rear wheel drive 14:39 <@Dagmar> I would rather keep things under control than have better "control" once I'm sliding 14:40 -!- Venom_X is now known as Venom_lnch 14:40 <@sdodson> I've never driven RWD on ice, but I felt very safe driving FWD on ice. 14:49 -!- Peaches1984 [~Peaches19@bna-69-171-173-179.evdo.leapwireless.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:06 <@devoid> My mom had a AWD car; she loved it. 15:06 <@Dolemite> Currently listening to Richard Wagner's Ride of the Valkyries. Keep seeing Bugs Bunny in long blonde braids and Elmer Fudd in a viking helmet. 15:10 -!- sasquatc4 [sasquatc4@c-76-25-180-64.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [] 15:12 -!- sasquatc4 [sasquatc4@c-76-25-180-64.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 15:12 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o sasquatc4] by ChanServ 15:18 -!- devoid [~devnull@unaffiliated/devemo] has quit [Quit: Changing server] 15:40 -!- fie [~fie@208.1.31.32] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:48 -!- vaneck [~vaneck@96-38-5-122.static.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has joined #se2600 15:48 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o vaneck] by ChanServ 15:53 -!- fie [~fie@208.1.31.32] has joined #se2600 15:56 -!- Venom_lnch is now known as Venom_X 16:18 -!- vaneck_ [~vaneck@96-38-5-122.static.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has joined #se2600 16:21 -!- Drag0n` [~nunya@199.180.3.25] has quit [Quit: connection reset by year, NTPDate strikes again!!!!] 16:22 -!- vaneck [~vaneck@96-38-5-122.static.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:22 -!- vaneck_ is now known as vaneck 16:51 <@Dolemite> Wow, the small sign of life in here earlier today has completely left. 16:51 <@Corydon76-dig> We're all hard at work 16:51 <@Dolemite> I really don't need to know the state of your penis when at work. 16:53 <@Dolemite> At least we know you don't need a fluffer. 16:53 <@Corydon76-dig> Let me show you why... http://guyswithiphones.com/post/071208/ 16:53 <@Corydon76-dig> (SFW) 16:54 <@Dolemite> except for the banner ad with the two naked guys grabbing each other's cokcs 16:54 <@Dolemite> er, cocks 16:55 < coil_> mm 16:55 <@Corydon76-dig> I don't see an ad, but then again, I have a ton of adsites blocked at DNS level 16:55 <@Dolemite> Firefox Ctrl-Shift-Del 17:25 <@dasunt> http://unhappyhipsters.com/ 18:05 < fie> nnhgghnbghjhbghjnbghj 18:18 <@m0j0-j0j0> bah! 18:18 -!- m0j0-j0j0 [~m0j0-j0j0@vnet503-hosoc.mcclatchyinteractive.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:38 -!- Peaches1984 [mauve@c-69-137-80-31.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 18:56 -!- Venom_X [~pjacobs@cpe-67-9-131-167.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Venom_X] 19:06 -!- Peaches1984 [mauve@c-69-137-80-31.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 20:23 -!- Peaches1984 [two@c-69-137-80-31.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 21:21 -!- sasquatc4 [sasquatc4@c-76-25-180-64.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 262 seconds] 21:24 -!- uSynx [~Synx@unaffiliated/synxhm/x-393023] has joined #se2600 21:25 < uSynx> Anyone read the pwning past whole disk encryption atricle in the winter edition? 21:25 < uSynx> I've got some rather basic questions on how to stop this type of attack 21:44 < uSynx> :( 21:53 -!- crash180 [~crash180@96.5.81.157] has joined #se2600 21:53 -!- crash180 [~crash180@96.5.81.157] has quit [Changing host] 21:53 -!- crash180 [~crash180@pdpc/supporter/silver/CRasH180] has joined #se2600 21:54 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o crash180] by ChanServ 21:54 -!- crash180 is now known as CRasH180 22:11 -!- Dolemite [~scott@99-2-141-173.lightspeed.nsvltn.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it.] 22:11 -!- sasquatc4 [sasquatc4@c-76-25-180-64.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 22:11 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o sasquatc4] by ChanServ 22:55 <@sdodson> uSynx: what are your questions? 23:22 < uSynx> well 23:23 < uSynx> im curious if simply signing individual binaries or the entire intramfs on distro install would eliminate the entire problem 23:24 < uSynx> then for the attack you would first have to comprimise the users private key to even be able to properly sign to boot the drive 23:25 <@dasunt> uSynx: How about cpu microcode? 23:26 <@dasunt> Or perhaps, in theory, running stuff in (IIRC) what is effectively ring -1 in modern CPUs that support hardware virtualization? 23:26 <@dasunt> Then wait for the user to type in their key. 23:35 < uSynx> hmm, im not very smart on that stuff, but sounds like a good idea 23:35 < uSynx> why hasn't this happened already? The article seemed like a rather obvious attack to me, infact when i read the title i though, oh i wonder if you can attack at the boot level with the unencrypted partition 23:35 < uSynx> duh --- Log closed Tue Feb 16 00:00:06 2010