--- Log opened Sat Feb 06 00:00:06 2010
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00:59 <@dasunt> Okay, that was disgusting.
00:59 <@dasunt> And I think I just gave myself gas poisoning.
01:01 <@dasunt> Amazingly, this isn't about farts.
01:06 <@dasunt> On the plus side, my congestion is gone.
01:06 <@dasunt> And my nose hairs.
01:06 <@dasunt> Perhaps my septum as well.
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01:55 < fie> o_O
01:55 < fie> dasunt, I'm left curious
01:56 < fie> running nmap at -T1 is dreadful
02:00 <@scort> whine about it
02:00 <@scort> hehe jk whats up fie
02:01 < fie> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1Ai0aoM4Q4
02:01 < fie> not too much
02:01 < fie> I want to see titties
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02:18 < ware> titz
03:28 < ware> Dagmar: you ever play AoC?
05:49 < Jagobah> i did, a year ago
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06:48 <@Shadow404> ware: yeah, aoc rocked
07:06 < polerin> frgbrlrberg.
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08:42 <@Evilpig> ware, dagmar:  level 80 death knight...
08:42 <@Evilpig>  
08:42 <@Evilpig> [08:40:44] [1] [80:Dethfairy]: where can i buy a fishing pole
08:42 <@Evilpig> [08:41:00] [1] [29:Vendorpig]: they sell them on ebay
08:43 <@Evilpig> i'm in hillsbrad of all places too
10:33 <@Shadow404> well, found out what the package labled to shadow was
10:33 <@Shadow404> a replacement recalled charger for my wifi robot
10:39 <@Shadow404> i used my dragoncon badge to prove my nick<>real name connection
10:40 <@sdodson> Shadow404: wtf is a wifi robot?
10:49 <@coil> does anyone know why im not recieving any of my bf's txt msgs?  ever since hes been in california, i haven't gotten any msgs from him but hes sent them :(
10:55 <@sdodson> coil: why are you in california?
10:55 <@coil> im not, he is
10:55 <@sdodson> Oh.
10:55 <@sdodson> He's got hos in different area codes man.
10:56 <@coil> nah
10:58 <@coil> hes said hes gotten a few of mine
10:58 <@coil> and replyed to them
10:59 <@sdodson> how would you know for sure?
10:59 <@coil> ffs everyone says that
10:59 <@coil> he isn't a 12 year old girl
10:59 <@sdodson> coil: uhhh cause it fucking makes sense doucherino
10:59 <@coil> he wouldn't lie to me about that shit
11:00 <@sdodson> why's he in california?
11:00 <@coil> business
11:00 <@coil> rolling out the new merchantdice system for disney
11:02 <@sdodson> coil: cool
11:02 <@coil> you asked
11:03 <@coil> he hasn't been getting my txt msgs either
11:03 <@sdodson> coil: Right, and I said cool, because... it sounds cool.
11:03 <@coil> cept for the ones last night
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11:14 <@sdodson> coil: have him call his provider
11:14 <@scort> ok let me text him to tell him that
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11:16 <@sdodson> scort: ya, or you could use a cell phone for it's original purpose
11:17 <@scort> well hes at work ok
11:17 <@scort> working
11:17 <@sdodson> so?
11:17 <@sdodson> call, if he's busy he can send you to voice mail
11:17 <@sdodson> where you can leave a fucking voicemail
11:17 <@scort> well he prolly cant talk
11:17 <@scort> vm suck
11:18 <@sdodson> are you this communications illiterate?
11:18 <@scort> no i just hate talking on the phone ok
11:18 <@sdodson> you'll suck his dick but you won't talk to him on the phone?
11:19 <@scort> well he dont like talking on the phone either ok
11:20 <@sdodson> whatever, you'll sort it out, probably by cutting yourself or some other meaningless bullshit since you're in capable of reason
11:21 <@scort> oh ok
11:21 <@scort> brb slitting my wrists
11:21 <@scort> cuz thats what i do
11:21 <@sdodson> scort: thanks
11:35 <@sdodson> scort: you done yet?
11:35 <@scort> no
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12:42 <@dasunt> fie: Still curious?
12:44 <@scort> bi curious
13:00 < fie> dasunt, yeah, what you be huffin
13:00 < fie> scort, you wish
13:03 <@dasunt> fie: I have an airtight bucket next to my cats' litter box for scooping used litter into.
13:03 <@dasunt> I dunno what perfect storm of moisture, cat urine & feces, and used litter happened, but when I opened it yesterday to scoop some litter into, OMG.
13:06 < fie> oh fun
13:07 <@scort> smells like ice cream
13:07 <@sdodson> I LOVE ICE CREAM!
13:07 <@dasunt> I suppose at this point, I should consider the airtight bucket a complete loss, and toss it into the dumpster before the fumes destroy the plastic.
13:08 <@sdodson> cat urine and poo are toxic
13:14 < chalcedony> heh
13:14 < chalcedony> they are just ammonia fumes usually
13:14 < chalcedony> dump it, it's organic
13:14 <@scort> dogs are better
13:15 <@sdodson> dogs shit in my yard
13:15 <@dasunt> ammonia?  No, this was worst.
13:15 <@sdodson> yes, it's ammonia
13:15 <@sdodson> you're just a pansy vegetarian who can't handle animals
13:15 <@scort> ^
13:17 < fie> dasunt, pour bleach into it
13:17 < fie> GET A WHIFF OF THAT!
13:17 < fie> HAH!
13:17 <@dasunt> fie: :(
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13:17 <@dasunt> I KNOW CHEMISTRY!
13:18 <@scort> lol fie
13:20 < fie> BLAST! FOILED AGAIN!
13:20 <@sdodson> fie: no you cannot live with me!
13:20 < fie> I'll get you next time
13:20 < fie> meeeeeaaahhhh
13:21 < fie> sdodson, why? Just because I make chlorine gas in enclosed spaces?
13:21 <@scort> fie can i move in
13:21 < fie> scort, with sdodson?
13:21 < fie> Sure man
13:21 <@sdodson> fie: And you're a freak.
13:22 < fie> sdodson, I see you've been talking with scort....
13:22 < fie> GET IT!?
13:22 < fie> GAY SEX???
13:23 <@sdodson> fie: I don't even mean that. You seem quite unstable
13:42 < fie> radioactive medical waste.
13:42 < fie> sdodson, Ok
13:46 < fie> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a8/Iridium-2.jpg
13:51 <@scort> oh ok
13:51 <@scort> fie lets get married
13:53 < fie> scort, is it still bigamy if the second marriage is ghey?
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14:16 <@dasunt> Yes.
14:16 < ware> Evilpig: :P
14:16 < ware> when you coming to sargeras!
14:48 <@Dagmar> I have a better question
14:48 <@Dagmar> WHY ARE PEOPLE STILL FUCKING INSISTING ON RELYING ON VIRUS BLACKLIST TECHNOLOGY THAT WE KNOW DOES NOT WORK
15:02 <@scort> what
15:04 < ware> http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=71342
15:05 < ware> why wouldnt blacklist technology work?
15:05 < ware> it works everywhere else..
15:05 < ware> signitures are like blacklisting?
15:09 <@Dagmar> ware: Shut.
15:09 <@Dagmar> Your.
15:09 <@Dagmar> Hole.
15:10 <@Dagmar> I'm fucking tired of hearing about how compromised networks go unnoticed for months because the fucking virus scanner the company used had never been told that a given bit of code was malware
15:10 <@Dagmar> They just throw up their hands and say "Oh gosh... who would have ever thought that software was bad!"
15:10 <@Dagmar> Yer typical corporate desktop has maybe 20-40 mission critical bits of software on it
15:11 <@Dagmar> If a virus scanner can prevent a known bad piece of software from running, it should goddamn well be capable of preventing anything from running that it hasn't explicitly been told it okay.
15:11 <@Dagmar> What we've got know is about as fucking useless as putting up a security perimiter around a building looking for only known suicide bombers.
15:12 <@dasunt> Dagmar: What about updates?
15:12 <@Dagmar> dasunt: What fucking about them
15:12 <@dasunt> You'd have to whitelist every update.
15:12 <@Dagmar> Isn't it someone's job at most facilities over about 100 people to just keep track of software inventories and make these updates happen?
15:12  * dasunt thinks.
15:12 <@dasunt> There's still the attack vector of data.
15:13 <@Dagmar> Symantec sells Altiris, and that's basically the whole damn point of that software.  To go rummaging around your disks and making an inventory of everything on it
15:14 <@dasunt> I'm not seeing how you could whitelist data.
15:15 <@dasunt> For example, consider a large company that generates tons of PDFs.  Well, adobe acrobat reader is probably the software used to display those PDFs, and if acrobat reader can be compromised by a bad PDF, you're still in trouble.
15:16 <@sdodson> ware: whitelists 4 life!
15:17 <@Dagmar> dasunt: What about it
15:17 <@Dagmar> You can whitelist process space fine
15:17 <@sdodson> FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU tomcat is hosed
15:18 <@Dagmar> dasunt: The important thing being that should everything else fail, either the virus will have to somehow magically survive reboots _without_ writing itself to disk, or it will write itself to disk and immediately be noticed on the next reboot
15:18 <@Dagmar> There would be no more bullshit with trojans lying dormant for weeks/months.
15:19 <@Dagmar> No more bullshit with them running rampant on a system just because they don't match an ever-growing list of bad software.
15:19 <@Dagmar> The list of known good software is going to be MUCH shorter at most offices than the list of known badware.
15:20 <@Dagmar> So instead of comparing binaries against this list of 450,000 possible viruses, growing by 200-300 a day, why not just match against a list of 10,000 things that *should* actually be there
15:21 <@Dagmar> Less CPU and RAM lost to simple security measures, radically less chance of model failure, etc etc
15:21 <@Dagmar> It's not even entirely impractical on a _small_ scale.
15:21 <@Dagmar> Go install Comodo Antivirus and turn on it's _whitelisting_ if you doubt it
15:22 <@Dagmar> If some process spawns a child process that never did before, it hollers at you about it
15:22 <@sdodson> hai guiz, plz txt me when dagmar finishes so i can come back and read the epic novel
15:22 <@Dagmar> If some process shows up it's never seen before, or rather TRIES to start up, it shouts it
15:22 < Jagobah> dagmar can revolutionize security software
15:22 <@Dagmar> YES
15:22 <@Dagmar> that's what we need
15:22 <@Dagmar> MORE FUCKING MORONS running their mouths
15:22 <@dasunt> Dagmar: Or the virus makes enough changes in the registry that it takes out the scanner at the next reboot.
15:22 <@Dagmar> Show your asses up at a meeting sometime
15:23 <@Dagmar> That was we can put a face with a lack of IQ
15:23 <@Dagmar> dasunt: Can't.
15:23 <@Dagmar> INstall the fucking program and try it
15:23 <@dasunt> Or inserts itself into the "known good" binaries.
15:23 <@Dagmar> Dasunt: Can't.
15:23 <@sdodson> Dagmar: who?
15:24 <@dasunt> Dagmar: Why couldn't it?
15:24 <@Dagmar> dasunt: This theoretical virus can't make changes to the registry because it was never allowed to run in the first place.
15:25 <@dasunt> Dagmar: What if the virus is malicious data that directs a currently whitelisted program to make changes to the system?
15:25 <@Dagmar> What did I just get done saying about processes launching children that never did before?
15:26 <@Dagmar> This goes for disk writes in unusual locations, and particularly for changes to the registry
15:26 <@Dagmar> It's not hard, and it's the exact same blocks any "functional" blacklist would do
15:26 <@Dagmar> There is exactly _zero_ space where a whitelist could not do the same things any given blacklist application could.
15:27 <@Dagmar> The only difference is that applications would be considered untrusted by DEFAULT until someone responsible signs off on them
15:27 <@dasunt> But I thought you just said that blacklists don't work?
15:27 <@Dagmar> It's never going to be "perfect" security, but it will be hugely better than this half-assed blacklist shit
15:27 <@dasunt> I don't disagree that security will improve.
15:27 <@Dagmar> Okay.  this is why no one with a brain talks in here.
15:27 <@Dagmar> Jackasses trolling
15:28 <@Dagmar> Fucking morons.
15:28 <@dasunt> I dunno if that means less viruses though, or just a better breed of viruses.
15:28 <@dasunt> And speaking of "no one with a brain", the "hey, download this codec and whitelist it to see <teen celebrity>'s sex tape" cuts right through a whitelist virus scanner.
15:29 <@Dagmar> dasunt: Being that little "evolutionary" pressure has been applied to them since the mid-90's, isn't it about fucking time?
15:29 <@Dagmar> They've gone off on their own into ring zero rootkit space now
15:29 <@dasunt> Yep.
15:30 <@dasunt> There's some nasty shit that shows up at work.
15:30 <@Dagmar> ...and people still keep throwing their hands into the air and saying "Well we have this contract with Symantec and the enterprise scanner and it all just slipped right through so it's certainly not OUR fault."
15:30 <@dasunt> I've been evaluating virus scanners over the past week.
15:30 <@Dagmar> Comodo will put a fucking stop to it
15:30 <@dasunt> Since our customers are idiots, we get a lot of infected systems.
15:30 <@Dagmar> I detest mentioning a specific product becuse it makes me sound like a shill, but it's the one goddamn product I've found that actually does a whitelist
15:30 <@dasunt> You'd be surprised about what systems are still infected but show up clean on a disk scan.
15:31 <@Dagmar> No, I actually wouldn't be suprised at all
15:31 <@Dagmar> 'spesh since they' be booting up with the Windows logo on the screen
15:31 <@dasunt> The only thing that shows up as infected is a stub downloader file.
15:31 <@dasunt> Then, typically, you get a lot of virus files that were created or last modified on the same date as the stub downloader file.
15:32 <@Dagmar> dasunt: Yes, and that stub downloader rapidly begins grabbing new versions of Zango and VirtuMonde and all it's other friends in for hte party
15:32 <@dasunt> But at that point, it doesn't matter due to the amount of system changes.
15:32 <@Dagmar> None of which would have been approved by the whitelister
15:32 <@Dagmar> They'd all show up rather immediately.
15:33 <@Dagmar> Literally the moment one tries to launch, Comodo would refuse to let it
15:33 <@sdodson> But people got their panties in a wad over Intel's TPM
15:34 <@Dagmar> The only people allowed to sign off on those were Intel and people who paid money to Intel.
15:34 <@Dagmar> If a company can acutally manage an AD structure, they can manage a signoff database
15:34 <@dasunt> http://www.kare11.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=840289
15:35 <@dasunt> ^- Heh, in that video, one of the guys they interviewed taught me a lot about bike repair.
15:35 <@Dagmar> They can damn well add new signatures for their in-house apps and ship those database updates out just like they do their inhouse updates
15:36 <@Dagmar> dasunt: What *really* pisses me off is that clearly some "reputable" anti-virus people are getting involved in making viruses now
15:36 <@Dagmar> Google "pr90.dll"
15:36 <@Dagmar> One company thinks it's bad.
15:37 <@Dagmar> It's been "making the rounds" at MTSU, and I'm reasonably certain I might be the only motherfucker who knows about it.
15:37 <@Dagmar> Prevx has the only scanner that even notices it.
15:37 <@Dagmar> I got the fucker in November.
15:38 <@Dagmar> I'm about to start submitting it to every engine on the planet.
15:38 <@Dagmar> Trend, McAffee, Norton, and AVG... None of which have ever said a word to me about it
15:39 <@Dagmar> Put it in a windows machine's win32 directory and it'll immediately start hijacking Google search results and bootstrapping malware (oddly the last only if you use IE)
15:39 < eryc> my pc rides commando
15:39 <@scort> same
15:39 <@scort> well i use microsoft security essientials
15:39 <@dasunt> Interesting.
15:39 <@Dagmar> Honestly, with the exception of bad actor advertisers, you might as well run without virus scanners
15:39 <@Dagmar> dasunt: Yeah I'm pretty fuckin' sure someone at Prevx wrote the goddamn thing
15:40 <@Dagmar> it hides well.
15:40 < eryc> i uninstalled norton after it became too annoying and cpu hogging
15:40 <@Dagmar> You know what finds it *real* fast tho?
15:40 <@Dagmar> When you deliberately infect a brand new VM, and then go compare the two images, file by fucking file
15:40 < eryc> avg is much better about resources
15:40 <@Dagmar> pr90.dll is the part that's supposed to hang around and do nothing for awhile, just so it can reinfect the machine later
15:40 < eryc> actually i have avg but i installed it when i was messing with some iphone hacks
15:41 <@Dagmar> eryc: I was using AVG before I started using Comodor.
15:41 <@Dagmar> er Comodo.
15:41 < eryc> is that free?
15:41 <@Dagmar> Yes
15:41 < eryc> sweet
15:41 <@scort> microsoft security essientials is the best thing ever
15:41 <@Dagmar> The only caveat I'll add is that if you fuck up and powerkill the machine while it's in the middle of updating it's database, you are fucked.
15:42 < eryc> friend of mine works at immunet
15:42 < eryc> i havent tried it yet i was going to
15:42 <@Dagmar> You'll have to boot into safe mode to uninstall it, because once the database of whitelisted apps is ruined, you ain't clickin' on SHIT anymore
15:42 < eryc> ha
15:42 <@Dagmar> Right-click menus is all you get.  Heh
15:43 <@Dagmar> Twice in the last year and a half I've gotten pushy about the machine taking it's time to reboot and brought that pain upon myself
15:49 <@[1NF0]> http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/computer_hardware_chart.jpg
15:50 <@Dagmar> Whoa
15:50 <@scort> old
15:51 < chalcedony> (((((((((( [1NF0] )))))))))))))
15:51 < chalcedony> very good to see you :)
15:51 <@[1NF0]> hey chalcedony! interesting seeing you here ;)
15:51 <@[1NF0]> I expected a foot-note on that pic, but nope
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16:01 <@sdodson> [1NF0]: how was curbob's partee?
16:02 <@[1NF0]> sdodson: good... good people... couple to few dozen maybe - lot of carolina people
16:02 <@[1NF0]> nice place he has
16:02 <@sdodson> [1NF0]: ya, i should have gone down for it
16:03 <@[1NF0]> oh well.  there'll be more times
16:03 <@[1NF0]> like, carolinacon (which, GRRRR, is the SAME WEEKEND as OZ!)
16:08 <@sdodson> [1NF0]: ya :( come to carolinacon though
16:10 <@sdodson> whoops, 20,000 e-mails queued
16:12 <@[1NF0]> haha ;)
16:12 <@[1NF0]> sorry, I was damn close to going, but Oz won :-/
16:13 <@sdodson> [1NF0]: on what grounds?
16:15 <@[1NF0]> sdodson: number of close friends going
16:15 <@[1NF0]> ;)
16:15 <@sdodson> [1NF0]: tell leb to go to carolinacon!
16:17 <@[1NF0]> done
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19:26 <@Dagmar> That kid from Discovery Middle that got shot has died
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19:40 <@coil> yes
19:40 <@coil> rip
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