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02:36 < xtort-> i like this one... http://verydemotivational.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/129030747535674267.jpg
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12:42 <@Shadow404> woot, got a ssh account from my local hacker space!
12:55 <@coil> omfg you're so elite :D
12:55 <@Shadow404> damn well know it!
12:56 < oddball_> anybody know anyone in nashville that's hiring IT?  I'm afraid that I'll show up to work to find a chain on the door and a note soon.
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12:59 <@Shadow404> did you already box your stuff up?
13:04 <@oddball> Oddly enough... yes
13:04 <@oddball> Of course, we just moved our offices, so there was an official reason for me to do so...
13:05 <@Corydon76-dig> Moved from an office building to an apt complex, like critch?
13:05 <@Corydon76-dig> or not that bad yet?
13:06 <@oddball> Well, moved from rented space to a purchased building.
13:06 <@Corydon76-dig> That's usually a good thing...
13:06 <@oddball> But we're also laying off folks that are pretty vital to the company.
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13:08 <@Corydon76-dig> They all get laid off at once, or gradually?
13:08 <@oddball> We've shrunk our already strained work force considerably in the past few months and expanded our services.
13:08 <@oddball> in batches
13:09 <@oddball> buying a building is a good thing if you got the cash laying around.  I'm fairly positive this org doesn't.
13:09 <@Corydon76-dig> Ouch
13:10 <@oddball> There have been some fun decisions like "our auth department is constantly behind, so... let's layoff half that department!"
13:12 <@Corydon76-dig> Yeah, sounds like desperation...
13:13 <@Corydon76-dig> Dusting off the resume sounds like a sound decision, then
13:15 <@Dagmar> THey used stimulus dollars for it I'll betcha
13:16 <@Dagmar> ...or rather, they probably *thought* they could use stimulus dollars for it and then found out for some reason they didn't qualify--after they'd signed papers
13:18 <@oddball> Oh, no... the building purchase idea was rolling before the stimulus.  Now, the Index medical records scanning project... I think we got a few bucks for that.
13:18 <@oddball> Of course, they decided to go half-assed for that, so it's ending up being a huge waste of mantime and money.
13:28 <@oddball> job posting fail: Minimum 5 years Windows Server 2008 experience.
13:31 <@Corydon76-dig> My Perl teacher related one like that, on a resume, where if the applicant was truthful, he would have had to be getting Perl from Larry Wall, before it was published on Usenet.  Applicant wasn't hired.
13:32 <@coil> i have 25 years expirence with windows xp.
13:33 <@Corydon76-dig> The last question in the interview was, "So, how IS Larry?"
13:36 <@oddball> heh
13:37 <@Dagmar> coil: At least there you can argue that it's subjective time
13:37 <@Dagmar> That first year was worth at least 4-5
13:37 <@Dagmar> There's a lot of Vista users who are probably already ten years along
13:38 <@Dagmar> Jesus christ everyone IS on f'ing Facebook
13:38 <@Dagmar> Goddamn five more +1's today
13:38 <@Shadow404> heh
13:39 <@Dagmar> ...and I actually *know* these people
13:39 <@Shadow404> so there not just mafia war peeps wanting to grow their numbers
13:39 <@Dagmar> I need to look up the director of the CIA and go ahead and sent him a friend request, just so I can thank him for building Facebook
13:40 <@Shadow404> you really are a conspiricy theorist, are you?
13:40 <@Dagmar> Dude, twenty years ago if you'd suggested every man, woman, and child on the planet needed to be GPS-tracked, people would be burning you in effigy.
13:40 <@Dagmar> Turns out all it needed was SMS.
13:41 <@Shadow404> heh, hence why i dont have gps or sms setup with facebook
13:42 <@Dagmar> I made the account like three weeks ago.
13:42 <@Dagmar> DOZENS of motherfuckers have just come out of the woodwork to friend me
13:42 <@Shadow404> then again, with the wide spread use of phones, the govt can keep pretty good tabs on anyone
13:42 <@Dagmar> People I've not seen for years, but it can be said that I know reasonably well
13:42 <@Shadow404> Dagmar: well, it uses matches from multiple friends to suggest to other people to friend you
13:43 <@Dagmar> Like, this is the most efficient thing for creating a association lists I've ever seen, thought of, or even considered possible
13:43 <@Shadow404> im at the point now that most of the matches i dont know
13:43 <@Shadow404> but i keep a small social circle
13:43 <@Dagmar> Shadow404: Dude it'll apparently rifle through your email too if you let it
13:43 <@Shadow404> aye, and i dont
13:44 <@Dagmar> What freaked me out was the moment I put in my 'nym--not my name, but my psuedonym--the thing was like "Hey here's a bunch of people we think you know.  Wanna go ahead and friend them?"
13:44 <@Dagmar> Like fifteen people.  Every damn one of them I know.
13:44 <@Shadow404> well, based of se2600 links
13:44 <@Shadow404> maybe you got tagged before you were a member
13:44 <@Dagmar> Then later in the account creation process, the site hitched up it's belt and decided it was time to get seriously stalky, and presented me with another page with about FORTYFIVE motherfuckers I *know*
13:45 <@Shadow404> you can tag pics with a non-member name
13:45 <@Dagmar> No, this is people from Bongo Java and DJs and a bunch of non-2600's
13:45 <@Shadow404> ah
13:45 <@Dagmar> It's freaking Orwellian-levels of stalky
13:46 <@Shadow404> you only have 20 friends on there so far
13:46 <@Shadow404> most i dont know even
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13:47 <@Shadow404> i see nanochick, dementia and decius in common
13:47 <@Dagmar> That's because I've not logged in to add the last batch of 15-20
13:47 <@Shadow404> ah
13:47 <@Dagmar> I've logged in three times
13:48 <@Dagmar> I've got reservations about making a public list of every motherfucker I know
13:49 <@Dagmar> LiveJournal is one thing, because they're probably too disorganized to be terribly useful to surviellance orgs, but Facebook is another matter.
13:49 <@Dagmar> I imagine there's probably fascists who sit there and fap to it
13:50 <@Dagmar> I'm pretty sure there's probably at least one intelligence org getting feed-style updates about changes to most of facebook's user associations
13:51 <@Shadow404> well, they got updates about my pets then alot
13:52 <@Dagmar> If one of your pets turns out to be buddies with a jihadist sympathizer, look out
13:53 <@Shadow404> heh
13:54 <@Shadow404> well, if they see a terrorist in this pic, you tell me
13:54 <@Shadow404> http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=10529137&id=592945516
13:54 <@oddball> Dagmar: yeah, facebook gave me the creeps when I first signed on as well.
13:55 <@Dagmar> That gives me an idea
13:55 <@Shadow404> did you see the pic?
13:56 <@Dagmar> I'm not logged in so no
13:56 <@Shadow404> fail
13:56 <@coil> http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs193.snc3/20047_429188665516_592945516_10529137_676493_n.jpg
13:56 <@coil> same pic
13:57 <@coil> lrn2hotlink Shadow404
13:57 <@Shadow404> ah, i should do that next time
13:58 <@coil> no
13:58 <@Shadow404> im sure the govt computers that scan photos for islamic faces would false positive on that pic
13:59 <@Dagmar> hah
13:59 <@Dagmar> sT0l3n f4c3b0oK p1x!
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14:00 <@Dagmar> Imma Photoshop bin Laden's face over mine as my FB icon
14:01 <@Dagmar> Either that or little bombs in my eyes.  It's going to be a tough call
14:01 <@Shadow404> lets not forget islamic text
14:01 <@Shadow404> and an ak-47
14:02 <@Dagmar> Nah, three reasons why that doesn't work
14:02 <@Dagmar> 1. It's too specific--it would be much harder for any system to decide the islamic text is a false positive
14:03 <@Dagmar> 2. I don't are for AK's
14:03 <@Dagmar> 3. Neither of those images amuses me
14:03 <@Dagmar> #3 is really the biggie
14:03 <@Dagmar> A head shot with bombs over the eyes tho, I like that
14:04 <@Shadow404> how about nuclear mushroom cloud in background?
14:05 <@rattle> I just brought up CAP's first peer at the Vienna PAIX exchange.
14:06 <@rattle> I'm feeling like an Internet grown-up all of a sudden.
14:09 <@Dagmar> rattle: So it's looped around a second time on you then?
14:09 <@Dagmar> We've been some of hte few "grown-ups" on the internet for a very long time
14:12 <@Shadow404> rattle: welcome ot the peering!
14:12 <@Shadow404> about time you joined
14:13 <@rattle> The RealConnect folks sent me an unsolicited email saying they saw we were on the exchange, they setup a session for us, and we were welcome to peer..  I logged into my router, added a session, and bam, routes.
14:13 <@Dagmar> Cool
14:13 <@rattle> I love network operators that are not bureaucratic about peering.
14:14 <@Shadow404> and look at the route costs savings as well
14:14 <@rattle> I'm not expecting much..
14:14 <@Shadow404> oh, were are, but were large scale
14:14 <@Shadow404> heh
14:14 <@rattle> The ones that are bureaucratic are the network owners of large broadband nets..  And that's where I'd see my savings..
14:15 <@rattle> I figured I was going to wait until my fatter pipe was up between my datacenter and my downtown offices to bother approaching other networks.
14:16 <@rattle> Facebook, Yahoo, and Amazon are on that switch..  So I'd be able to increase the speed of those services for the various people here at the office.
14:16 <@rattle> But right now I'd be craming it over a 10mbit pipe.  A few months, that becomes 45mbit and I'll pursue those peers.
14:16 <@Shadow404> ah, ds3 ftw
14:17 <@Shadow404> so your on a man 10mb atm?
14:17 <@Shadow404> what datacenter does your man go to?
14:17 <@rattle> Luckily, the Amazon POP is for their core net, not just the cloudfront..  So whenever I bring that one up, I'll have a direct patch to EC2 land.
14:18 <@Shadow404> yeah, we got some direct paths to google and other large nets
14:18 <@rattle> I've got two downtown offices..  The main one I'm in has two t3 transit pipes, and a 50mbit man to our second downtown office, and the second office as a 10mbit man (bonded t1's, actually) to the datacenter, which has two 1g (150m commit, instant raise capability) transit.
14:19 <@rattle> One of the t3's is down right now because we are having the telco make changes to the handover.
14:19 <@Shadow404> which datacenter?
14:19 <@rattle> One of the 1g's is also down currently, but that's another matter.
14:19 <@Shadow404> guessing equinix?
14:19 <@rattle> Vienna PAIX.
14:19 <@Shadow404> vienna is austria
14:19 <@rattle> Vienna, VA
14:19 <@Shadow404> oh
14:19 <@Shadow404> i was thinking of the eu peering exchange
14:20 <@rattle> They usually call it either Vienna PAIX or PAIX Virginia.  It's an S&D facility, soon to be Equinix.
14:20 <@Shadow404> eyah
14:21 <@Shadow404> 7990 science application ct
14:21 <@rattle> Yep..  That one.
14:21 <@Shadow404> been there before to install corres
14:21 <@Shadow404> overnight trip
14:21 <@rattle> llnw is on the switch too, but I think they are fairly restrictive with their peering.  That would be a nice peer to have.
14:23 <@rattle> From a financial perspective, rr would be the best one to have on the switch.
14:34 <@m0j0-j0j0> headed home so I can get dressed for the Canes game tonight!!
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14:35 <@Shadow404> rattle: glbx is a great peer
14:38 <@rattle> Oh yeah..  They are not on the exchange I'm on though.
15:02 <@rattle> I think I'm the only person alive who doesn't give a flying fuck about the iPad.
15:02 <@Shadow404> na, your not alone
15:02 <@Corydon76-dig> rattle: You're FAR from alone
15:03 <@Corydon76-dig> rattle: Remember that the iTampon meme outpaced the iPad meme, and it's pretty clear Apple made a huge marketing error
15:05 <@Corydon76-dig> Now if it was running OS X, not iPhoneOS, or if at least the platform had an open market, and if they went with something more along the lines of "iPod Tablet", they'd be having much better luck
15:06 <@Corydon76-dig> What it is is an oversized iPod Touch.  They could have skipped the big presentation and just said that, and that would have worked out better (plus the other name).
15:19 <@Dagmar> Yeah I'm a little disappointed it's basically a giant iPod
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15:24 <@Corydon76-dig> It's an iPod that you can't hide from a mugger
15:26 <@m0j0-j0j0> Corydon76-dig: I thought you said you could hide lawn furniture
15:26 <@Dagmar> lol
15:27 <@Corydon76-dig> Maybe lawn furniture for ants
15:27 <@m0j0-j0j0> just messin
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16:35 <@Neoteric> anyone awake to help me debug a whacky linux networking issue?
16:45 <@Corydon76-dig> Neoteric: what's the issue?
16:51 < xtort-> ip conflict
17:05 <@Neoteric> Corydon76-dig: god hates me
17:05 <@Neoteric> but whatever... just like all linux solutions booting a new kernel fixed the problem
17:05 <@Corydon76-dig> Heh
17:06 <@Corydon76-dig> Neoteric: God doesn't hate you individually; he just hates all Asians.  ;-)
17:06 <@Neoteric> this fucking sucked
17:06 <@Neoteric> but whatevs
17:06 <@Neoteric> gonna tarsnap this shit into next week biatches!
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22:48 < dasunt_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Absenceblacks.png
22:48 < dasunt_> Are the Tennessee counties in that map rich white bastions?
22:53 <@sasquatc4> they are probably the more redneck ones
22:53 <@Dagmar> No.
22:54 <@Dagmar> The only "rich, white bastion" is in WIlliamson County.  I.e. Brentwood
22:54 <@Dagmar> ...and it's not all that white.
22:54 < dasunt_> In the county I grew up in, there are 70 black people.
22:54 < dasunt_> According to the 2000 census.,
22:54 < dasunt_> In the county north of it, there are 27.
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22:57 < eryc> yea but that was 10 years ago
22:57 <@dasunt> Yah, there might be almost 80 black people in my home county now.
22:57 <@dasunt> Out of about 45,000 people total.
22:57 < eryc> nah they grow exponentially
22:58 < eryc> its classic nature response
22:58 < eryc> the more you persecute and disparage a group the more the reproduce to ensure survival
22:58 <@dasunt> I dunno.
22:58 <@dasunt> This is a pretty white county.
23:03 <@sdodson> eryc: were catholics persecuted?
23:04 < eryc> don't question my bullshit theories
23:06 <@Dagmar> Go ahead and test it
23:06 <@Dagmar> Apply some extreme population control measure.  Shoot about 25 of them.
23:07 <@Dagmar> If nature responds the way you say it does, there'll be 1,000 more of them by the end of the week
23:07 <@dasunt> So Indians are the dominant racial group in the US?
23:08 <@sdodson> Dagmar: human gestation period is 9months bro
23:09 <@Dagmar> Violent death is very sudden, and will likely induce a very rapid response
23:09 <@Dagmar> Possibly an uptick in violence as well
23:09 <@Dagmar> Note how if one loses sight of the fact that these are humans, all the pieces fit the theory, even though it's stupid.
23:11 <@m0j0-j0j0> the town I grew up in had .14% African American population in 2000.
23:12 <@m0j0-j0j0> with 1390 people in the town.
23:12 < eryc> http://www.censusscope.org/us/chart_race.html
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23:58 < ware> moo
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