--- Log opened Wed Dec 02 00:00:25 2009 00:06 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o juice] by ChanServ 01:14 <@someninjamaster> does anyone know if the nashville 2600 list is alive 01:25 <@Corydon76-dig> Looks like the host is down 01:25 <@Corydon76-dig> probably just needs a reboot 01:37 < ware> it is 01:37 < ware> i got dupe emails about lemastahz 01:38 < ware> and came | | that close to being a smartass about it too haha 07:01 -!- CRasH180 [n=CRasH180@pdpc/supporter/silver/CRasH180] has joined #se2600 07:01 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o CRasH180] by ChanServ 07:54 -!- Drag0n` [n=Nunya@97.65.245.2] has joined #se2600 07:54 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Drag0n`] by ChanServ 08:23 -!- droops [n=erickson@74.193.239.242] has joined #se2600 08:23 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o droops] by ChanServ 10:32 <@Shadow404> why is this channel so quiet now? 10:34 <@Corydon76-dig> Because the people who created drama have moved elsewhere? 10:34 <@Shadow404> damn, thats no fun 10:34 <@Shadow404> glad i have other channels for my entertainment then 10:35 -!- Dolemite_ is now known as Dolemite 10:35 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Dolemite] by ChanServ 10:35 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez! 10:35 <@Corydon76-dig> Dolemite: morning 10:36 <@Corydon76-dig> btw, if you haven't seen it already, the nashville2600.org mail machine needs to be kicked 10:36 <@Dolemite> I'll mention it to Mirage. It's a hostmonster.com hosted site. 10:37 <@Corydon76-dig> Hmmm, DNS suggests otherwise 10:37 <@Dolemite> the website seems to be working fine, lemme see if I can see any moderator requests 10:37 <@Corydon76-dig> nashville2600.org. 9976 IN MX 100 mail.e-comsultant.net. 10:38 <@Dolemite> Oh, that box has been gone for months 10:38 <@Corydon76-dig> Okay, so mail never got transitioned? 10:38 <@Dolemite> I don't think the mailing list ever got moved anywhere. 10:38 <@Dolemite> probably not 10:38 <@Dolemite> then again, the transfer for phreaknic.info never confirmed by the receiving party, either 10:39 <@Dolemite> so I still have control of it 10:39 <@Corydon76-dig> Ah 10:39 -!- m0j0-j0j0 [n=m0j0-j0j@vnet503-hosoc.mcclatchyinteractive.com] has joined #se2600 10:39 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o m0j0-j0j0] by ChanServ 10:40 <@Dolemite> But all I need to do is go pick up mail.e-comsultant.net from the days inn and bring it home to pull the list config off of it 10:40 <@Dolemite> been meaning to do that and since I don't have the yungin in the car today I'll probably get it after work today 10:40 <@Corydon76-dig> Cool 10:40 <@Dolemite> or go to Jack's BBQ for lunch and grab it today 10:41 -!- Venom_X [n=pjacobs@cpe-67-9-131-167.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #se2600 10:41 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Venom_X] by ChanServ 11:23 < Vyrus001> http://gizmodo.com/5416120/japanese-fluorescent-lamp-fighting-insane-even-compared-to-other-crazy-japanese-things?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+gizmodo%2Ffull+(Gizmodo)&utm_content=Bloglines 11:48 -!- m0j0-j0j0 [n=m0j0-j0j@vnet503-hosoc.mcclatchyinteractive.com] has left #se2600 [] 11:53 -!- Venom_X_ [n=pjacobs@cpe-67-9-131-167.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #se2600 11:53 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Venom_X_] by ChanServ 11:53 -!- Venom_X [n=pjacobs@cpe-67-9-131-167.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 11:53 -!- Venom_X_ is now known as Venom_X 12:17 -!- droops [n=erickson@74.193.239.242] has quit [] 12:40 -!- uncue [n=uncue@72.14.178.173] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 13:35 -!- rattleXXw [n=rattle@65.199.13.44] has left #se2600 ["Leaving"] 13:38 -!- oddball_ is now known as oddball 13:38 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o oddball] by ChanServ 13:40 -!- Neoteric [n=timball@enki.sunlightfoundation.com] has joined #se2600 13:41 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Neoteric] by ChanServ 13:52 -!- rattleXw [n=rattle@65.199.13.44] has joined #se2600 14:00 -!- droops [n=erickson@74.193.239.242] has joined #se2600 14:00 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o droops] by ChanServ 14:16 <@Dagmar> MOTHERFUCEKRS@!#$#@$ 14:16 < Mercster> srsly 14:16 <@Dagmar> NEVER FUCKING AGAIN WILL I ORDER FROM TOWER 14:16 <@Dagmar> For FUCKS sake 14:16 <@Dagmar> I ordered three CDs from the MONTHS ago 14:16 < Mercster> issa OUTRAGE! 14:16 <@Dagmar> Two shipped, the third mysteriously stopped at "In Stock" and "Pending" 14:17 <@Dagmar> I waited, it didn't come. I asked about the status of it, first person replied with basically "we'll get right on that" 14:17 < Mercster> what CD is it 14:17 <@Dagmar> Two weeks later, no change. I ask them again, they tell me it's on back order. 14:17 <@Dagmar> Order status page still says "In Stock" and "Pending" 14:17 <@Dagmar> I look today, the order status page still says the same damn thing but... 14:18 < Mercster> the innernette is a damned dirty liar 14:18 <@Dagmar> The fucking WEBSITE plain as day says _they no longer fucking sell the item_ 14:18 <@Dagmar> Fuck it 14:18 <@Dagmar> I'jm calling them voice 14:18 <@Dagmar> They DESERVE chewing out 14:18 < Mercster> hammer, dont hurt 'em 14:18 <@Dagmar> They're just making shit up to tell me 14:22 <@Dagmar> For fucks sake it's a mass-market CD 14:22 < Mercster> kenny G looooool 14:22 <@Dagmar> If I keep waiting on them to get their act together it WILL Be a fucking rare import by the time I'm done 14:34 <@Dolemite> w00t! Just ordered my Wii console. 14:53 < eryc> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3z6a3oxKDiQ 14:57 < Mercster> creepy 15:03 -!- [1NF0]_Work [n=[1NF0]@75-150-13-105-Atlanta.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 15:54 -!- Netsplit farmer.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: Todd, @rhia, polerin 15:54 -!- polerin [n=erin@c-68-52-241-208.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 15:54 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Todd 15:54 -!- rhia [n=rhia@pool-173-74-76-231.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #se2600 15:54 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o rhia] by ChanServ 16:11 < Mercster> New York state lawmakers vote against gay marriage 16:11 * Mercster golfclaps 16:17 -!- [1NF0]_Work [n=[1NF0]@75-150-13-105-Atlanta.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #se2600 16:17 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o [1NF0]_Work] by ChanServ 16:17 -!- droops [n=erickson@74.193.239.242] has quit [] 16:24 <@Dagmar> BLeh. 16:24 <@Dagmar> Weather stations are saying it's 55F but it definitely feels colder 16:25 <@Shadow404> heh 16:25 <@Shadow404> take this for example 16:25 <@Shadow404> !weather 30127 16:25 <@Shadow404> er, whats the bot trigger 16:25 <@Shadow404> or is the bot even on 16:26 <@Shadow404> 17:25 <@TylerW> !weather 30127 16:26 <@Shadow404> 17:25 < Jeeves> Tanglewood, Mableton, Georgia, 5:20 PM EST on December 02, 2009 16:26 <@Shadow404> 17:25 < Jeeves> Temp: 56.4F, Wind: ESE@0.0MPH, Humidity: 100%, Dewpoint: 56F, Pressure: 29.53 in 999.9 hPa (Steady) 16:26 <@Shadow404> first off, 30127 is powder springs not mableton 16:26 <@Shadow404> and its not any 56.4 16:26 <@Shadow404> www.snsweather.com 16:26 <@Shadow404> accurate to within 3 minutes 16:34 <@Dagmar> So accurate to within 180 degrees, then? 16:35 < Mercster> ... 16:35 <@Dagmar> I like the penny-arcade comic from today 16:36 <@Dagmar> I'll freely admit that I let Alistair kill Logaine for his crimes to avoid having to lose my second-best tank 16:36 <@Dagmar> PLus, yaknow, the guy was sellin elves. 16:37 <@Dagmar> THat shit can't be tolerated 16:46 -!- mtown_nerd [n=josh@ghruaim.net] has joined #se2600 16:46 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o mtown_nerd] by ChanServ 16:46 <@mtown_nerd> o/ all 16:47 < Mercster> ya 16:47 <@mtown_nerd> How do? 16:48 < Mercster> cant complain 16:48 <@mtown_nerd> heh... that's good. 16:51 < Mercster> how are you? 16:51 <@Shadow404> Dagmar: the direction is accurate to within 5 degress 16:52 < rattleXw> Citrix XenServer is pretty damn rad. 16:52 < Mercster> Shadow404: he was just being a smartass 16:53 < Mercster> rattleXw: what front-end options does it have? 16:53 <@Dagmar> I thought there were sixty minutes in a degree 16:53 <@Dagmar> Sup rattle 16:53 <@mtown_nerd> rattleXw: I've heard it's cool. Went to set it up on a spare desktop here at work, but I guess the HD controller that's in it didn't support it. 16:53 <@mtown_nerd> Never could get it to install :( 16:53 < rattleXw> Both the free and enterprise version uses the same front-end.. 16:53 < rattleXw> And it's a damn nice frontend. 16:53 < Mercster> gtk? 16:53 < rattleXw> We've started converting all our VMs to it. 16:54 <@mtown_nerd> rattleXw: From what? 16:54 < Mercster> curses? 16:54 < Mercster> Xaw? 16:54 < rattleXw> The front-end is windows based, which is less than ideal.. But it runs wonderfully under VMWare Fusion. 16:54 < Mercster> motif? 16:54 < Mercster> ah 16:54 < rattleXw> We are moving from VMWare Server 2 16:54 <@Dagmar> Oh 16:54 <@mtown_nerd> Oooh...interesting. 16:54 <@mtown_nerd> I don't think I've talked to anyone who moved *away* from VMWare to Xen 16:54 < Mercster> it was always my wish to work in a shop using VM, but never did 16:55 <@mtown_nerd> Of course, you guys are running an older version of VMWare ... so... I'm sure the differences are way more dramatic for you guys? :o 16:55 <@Dagmar> You might reconsider that after working with them awhile 16:55 < rattleXw> ESX is rad. ESXi is handicapped rad. Server is crap wearing dung mittens. 16:55 < Mercster> Dagmar: well, im sure they have their issues, and yeah, id probably be more comfortable with 20-30 big iron boxen 16:55 <@Dagmar> Under heavy loads VMs tend to get a bit insane, starving one virtual processor or the other for reasons which are exceedingly gnomic 16:55 < rattleXw> ESX is seriously pricy though. 16:55 < Mercster> Dagmar: still, VM is where everything's going 16:56 <@Dagmar> I'd rather people spend time learning to manage the servers they have, rather than inventing more to mismanage. 16:56 <@mtown_nerd> Hehe...there are hopes to the contrary in the hardware arena. Physicalization is becoming a buzzword, I've noticed... 16:56 < Mercster> Dagmar: well you can have as few VMs as you please :) 16:56 <@mtown_nerd> Dagmar: Yeah.. VM "creep" seems to be a huge issue. D: 16:56 <@Dagmar> People seem to mainly be using VMs when they've got processes and mechanisms which are so out of control they need more resources than they can get on one machine 16:56 < rattleXw> In practice the biggest issues I have in our VM environment have had to do with disk IO rather than processor starvation.. 16:56 < Mercster> i imagine in a VM shop, it becomes very rote to say "oh well let me partition another slice off" 16:56 <@Dagmar> Disk IO murders them yes 16:56 < Mercster> which would be bad 16:57 < Mercster> but see, thats why you hire smart people3 16:57 < Mercster> smart management 16:57 < Mercster> :) 16:57 <@Dagmar> WHo does that? 16:57 <@mtown_nerd> Mercster: Like our server guys here at work do. Lol "Just virtualize it." 16:57 < Mercster> Dagmar: everywhere ive worked 16:57 < Mercster> mtown_nerd: right 16:57 < rattleXw> The average direct attached storage just doesn't have enough IO to sustain a handful of VMs that all want to access it at once.. 16:57 <@Dagmar> You've beenlucky 16:57 < Mercster> Dagmar: i have, you're right 16:57 < rattleXw> I've got a number of servers with 6 disks of raid6, and around 6-8 VMs, they all turn to soup. 16:57 <@Dagmar> Most of the time they are still falling prey to what happens when you essentially hire the lowest bidders 16:58 < Mercster> rattleXw: 5 is well enough for clusters like that 16:58 <@Dagmar> Mercster: Until you put something like Exchange in there 16:58 < Mercster> Dagmar: certainly, cheap upper management is an issue 16:58 <@Dagmar> It seems to know how to grab every possible bit of CPU and just keep it 16:58 < Mercster> but see, ive worked in shops where, what was needed was paid for 16:58 < Mercster> so yeah, ive been lucky 16:58 < rattleXw> I've got two Sun Unified Storage 74xx clusters now.. So I can sustain like 2gb/sec on my SAN.. 16:58 <@Dagmar> CPU and disk and network 16:59 < Mercster> have you guys ever seen the heatsink on a risc cpu in big iron 16:59 <@Dagmar> Seems like under lowish loads everything works fine 16:59 < Mercster> hilarious 16:59 < Mercster> like 12" high 16:59 <@mtown_nerd> Mercster: Lol I'll bet! 17:00 <@mtown_nerd> Dude....Reduce Instruction Set Computing ... keeping it hawt! :D 17:00 <@Dagmar> ...but when the virtualized processors get starved, there's no relentless tick timer enforcing what gets how much CPU and when, or if it gets *any* 17:00 <@Dagmar> I worry more about the IBM bladecenters 17:00 <@Dagmar> It's only a matter of time before teens figure out that you can use their exhaust as a hair dryer 17:00 < Mercster> Dagmar: it's good to partition duties with hardware, and to cluster load with regard to function 17:00 < Mercster> but it can go too far 17:01 < rattleXw> Given the new uber storage, it looks like I'm going to be able to stack about 12 - 25 VMs per server depending on their CPU load. 17:01 < Mercster> i wonder about all the ill-organized hardware utilization these days, with the easy VMs 17:02 < Mercster> at what point does the initially negligable overhead become uneconomic 17:04 < rattleXw> In our case, it's been easier to enforce a one application to one server policy which has resulting in drastically less overall maintenance. 17:05 < rattleXw> More machines to keep up to date.. But less hoops to jump through to actually do it.. 17:05 <@Dagmar> It's not the initially negligible overhead that causes problems 17:05 < Mercster> eh 17:05 <@mtown_nerd> Mercster: I read an artcile on that very topic not terribly long ago...it's where I first saw the word "creep" used within the context of VM management. 17:05 < Mercster> mtown_nerd: nod 17:05 <@Dagmar> It's when the HA clustering gets loaded and starts failing to allocate the minimums to each VM that burns you 17:06 <@mtown_nerd> It becomes so easy to add/manage servers, that people end up adding more servers than they can actually, economically manage...so they completely negate the advantage virtualizing in the first place. lol 17:06 < Mercster> knowing the scale of each node would eliminate those issues 17:06 <@Dagmar> Pretty much the same problem as mtown cites 17:07 < Mercster> mtown_nerd: right, whether its the chunk of resources each instance starts chewing on, or the logistical nightmare of an unplanned growth metric 17:07 <@mtown_nerd> I wish I could do more with VM. <--Desktop dude. :( 17:07 <@mtown_nerd> Mercster: yap 17:07 <@Dagmar> BUY MOAR RAMS. 17:07 <@Dagmar> ;) 17:07 < Mercster> yeah, thats usually the answer 17:07 <@mtown_nerd> JOO MUS FPROT TEH TARBAL ADN FROMAT TEH RAMS 17:07 < Mercster> and its a good answer 17:07 <@mtown_nerd> !!!1 17:08 < Mercster> the software cycle within a business paradigm benefits from a bit more resources than you should actually need 17:08 -!- Neoteric [n=timball@enki.sunlightfoundation.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 17:09 <@mtown_nerd> sigh .... to be in server admin right now.... All the new hardware that's hitting. 17:09 < Mercster> there arent as many eyes on the code, and you have to allow for a certain amount of excess horsepower 17:09 <@mtown_nerd> Physicalization, and all the ULV server hardware that's driving it ... mmmm :3 17:09 < Mercster> mtown_nerd: tell me about it, i havent even fucked with Vms 17:09 <@mtown_nerd> Well, I'm trying to get into SharePoint management and development.. but honestly, *anything* to get to something bigger/better than desktop support. lol 17:10 <@mtown_nerd> So..maybe one day soon. :) 17:10 < Mercster> no solid ticket system? 17:10 <@mtown_nerd> It does pain me, though, how very few people in our server team really, like, *know* hardware... what all the model #'s and stats mean, etc. 17:11 <@mtown_nerd> We have Altiris atm. Spent a butt-ton of money to vendors to set it up. They failed. Left. Took the money. 17:11 <@Dagmar> Make them spec out their own parts 17:11 < Mercster> yeah, well it comes down to how many nodes you have 17:11 <@mtown_nerd> :[ 17:11 < Mercster> if you have too many for admins to have a hold of, you should probably have a couple tech nerds 17:11 -!- Venom_X [n=pjacobs@cpe-67-9-131-167.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [] 17:11 < Mercster> doing hardware 17:11 <@mtown_nerd> It did occur to me in all my reading, though, that SharePoint could easily be built into a ticket system. I'm not sure how effectively yet...but it seems like ti could be done. 17:11 <@Dagmar> You could also just shoot yourself in the face. 17:11 < Mercster> tickets are mandatory mang 17:12 <@Dagmar> I'm still trying to figure out what SharePoint does well 17:12 <@mtown_nerd> Mercster: They buy all theirs from the vendor. Whatever the vendor sells that fits the needs on paper, that's what they buy 17:12 <@mtown_nerd> heh 17:12 < Mercster> mtown_nerd: nod 17:12 <@mtown_nerd> Dagmar: A lot with proper planning and a slow, controlled, *sensible* implementation strat. 17:12 <@Drag0n`> sharepoint can be used for a IT portal, they have a template for that already 17:13 < Mercster> process and procedure++; 17:13 <@Drag0n`> including ticketing 17:13 <@mtown_nerd> Granted, I'm a total novice and have never rolled it out. .. bUT ... all the horror stories I read from people occur in environments where someone at the top tried to out-of-the-box it. 17:13 <@mtown_nerd> Drag0n`: ORLY? :o 17:13 <@Drag0n`> http://sharepoint.microsoft.com/sharepoint/templates/default.aspx 17:13 <@mtown_nerd> The first things that this company is going to (hopefully) use it for is an internal company web portal 17:14 <@Dagmar> That it'll do, but MediaWiki is a lot cheaper 17:14 < Mercster> those usually end up dead anyway 17:14 <@Dagmar> ...oh and more robust. 17:14 <@mtown_nerd> Hehe... right. I've tried to spin that already. I got laughed at. :x 17:14 < Mercster> every co. ive worked for, we had a intranet 17:14 < Mercster> it just hadnt been updated in 2 years 17:14 < Mercster> and nothing you wanted to know was there 17:14 <@Drag0n`> sharepoint is free with the OS, its the more advanced sharepoint portal that costs money 17:15 <@Dagmar> Of course the first hit is free 17:15 <@mtown_nerd> Mercster: I don't know what ayone else here plans, but I've drawn it out in my head so that the "intranet" is really nothimg more than a central page of links to individual, self-managed department sub-sites. 17:15 < Mercster> thats another benefit of having a larger company, or smart hireing policies 17:15 < Mercster> you can have a documentation team ;) 17:15 <@mtown_nerd> Lol We don't have one of those. :[ 17:15 < Mercster> docs + configuration management 17:15 < Mercster> let them run the cvs server 17:15 < Mercster> and collect docs 17:15 <@Drag0n`> sharepoint also helps exchange and works with it, you can have a large powerpoint file stored on sharepoint instead of sent to everyone in a ditro list 17:15 <@mtown_nerd> I tried to be that team for just my group before... never could get anything else done, there was so much to ducment. 17:15 < Mercster> yea 17:15 <@Drag0n`> distro 17:16 <@Dagmar> You could also just stick it on a normal web server and give people the URL 17:16 <@mtown_nerd> Dagmar: I would think that would get unwieldy over time, as more and more docs were added from more and more people... ? :o 17:16 <@Drag0n`> teach a sales weasel how to upload it to a web site when it asks you in the outgoing e-mail which you wish to do 17:17 < Mercster> well wikis are best when they have a robust search function attached 17:17 <@Dagmar> mtown_nerd: ah yes, and Sharepoint will surely fix that 17:17 <@mtown_nerd> Well, one of the things I was going to experiment with in my own study is how to set up an outward-facing document library for departments to use when dealing with outside contacts 17:18 <@Dagmar> Even a sales weasel can figure out WinSCP 17:18 <@mtown_nerd> A page they could give to vendors and other co's, maybe something with basic forms authentication, where those vendors/co's could dump presentations they've scheduled, product documentation, etc. 17:18 <@mtown_nerd> Not sure if it's feasbile yet...but... 17:18 <@mtown_nerd> On paper, it seems like it could work pretty well. 17:18 < Mercster> mtown_nerd: ive done that, just with FTP 17:18 <@mtown_nerd> Hmmm 17:18 < Mercster> give every vendor a login, restrain access with firewall 17:18 < Mercster> but i realize everything is web these days 17:19 <@mtown_nerd> Well, even that would be a step up from what we have. 17:19 <@mtown_nerd> I've just been approaching it from within the context of the solution that will inevitably try to fill all these various roles we have. 17:19 < Mercster> nod 17:19 <@mtown_nerd> I know there are about 1,001 different ways of handling that very problem. 17:19 < Mercster> sure 17:19 < Mercster> and 600 or so would work realistically 17:19 < Mercster> so pick one and run with it :) 17:20 <@mtown_nerd> I was reading last night, actually, about how our Altiris system's software deployment piece actually has a function for working via web links and emails. .. got to thinking abouth ow we could set up a self-service site for users... 17:20 <@mtown_nerd> I just wish I knew how to atually *do* all this crap I keep sketching out on paper. :( 17:20 * mtown_nerd is something of a rough workflow whore 17:20 <@mtown_nerd> :3 17:21 < Mercster> someone should be able to bang out some PHP 17:21 <@mtown_nerd> We have *zero* coding talent in-house. 17:21 <@mtown_nerd> No web or code monkey to speak of 17:21 < Mercster> not even just php + mysql? 17:21 < Mercster> dude im a coding moron, but i can bang out some php :) 17:21 <@mtown_nerd> I would be willing to do it, but ...not a lot of time left in the day after hadling day-to-day Desktop tickets and all these roll-out projects we keep getting hit with. ;[ 17:21 <@Dagmar> I've had some experience with Altiris, but I'veblocked it out, which is probably bad 17:21 <@mtown_nerd> Mercster: Not even. :( 17:21 <@Dagmar> Oh yes, now I remember... 17:21 <@Dagmar> IT LIKES TO ACT LIKE MALWARE 17:21 <@mtown_nerd> Lol 17:22 <@mtown_nerd> YAP 17:22 <@Dagmar> Fucking soaking up all available clockcycles for twenty minutes after you login to the domain 17:22 <@mtown_nerd> Dagmar: I can't say I've ever seen a more ghetto-fabulous agent cluster than Altiris 17:22 <@mtown_nerd> lol 17:22 <@Dagmar> ...and there's be NO sign in the task manager that it's even present. 17:22 <@mtown_nerd> Even the SERVERS have client agents on them. 17:22 <@Dagmar> THis is bad 17:22 < Mercster> man those huge CSM stacks 17:22 < Mercster> haha 17:23 < Mercster> im trying to remember that one, i actually worked for the compay who sold it 17:23 * Mercster wikis 17:23 <@mtown_nerd> If the Deployment server wants information from the Notification sever, it creates an agent request with the Notification server agent, that passes it up to the server service, which then authorizees the request, sends the authorization back to the Deployment server agent, which then does a scrape of whatever info Deployment server wanted 17:24 <@mtown_nerd> :/ 17:24 <@mtown_nerd> Honestly 17:24 <@mtown_nerd> Really, guys? 17:24 <@mtown_nerd> -_- 17:24 <@mtown_nerd> Just the two servers talking to each other requires a crazy web-work of agent chatter. 17:25 < Mercster> unicenter 17:25 < Mercster> CA unicenter 17:25 <@mtown_nerd> Right now, on any given desktop in our environment exists 2034928340938 agents. -_- 17:25 <@mtown_nerd> Altiris, ScriptLogic, Forefront, and all their various sub-parts and pieces. 17:25 <@mtown_nerd> *sigh* 17:26 <@Corydon76-dig> mtown_nerd: a SCRAPE ? 17:26 < Mercster> shit'z WIZZEAK! 17:26 <@mtown_nerd> Ya 17:26 <@mtown_nerd> lol 17:26 <@mtown_nerd> It's THAT sophisticated 17:26 <@mtown_nerd> :P 17:26 <@mtown_nerd> Naturally, because it wasn't ever actually set up properly, that scrape doesn't even work. 17:26 <@Corydon76-dig> You'd think, if it were authorized, it would use a better method of retrieving data 17:27 <@mtown_nerd> And no one knows why, because no one actually has any documentation/diagrams of how our Altiris setup is configured...so we don't really know what's broken. 17:27 <@mtown_nerd> You'd think, Corydon76-dig 17:27 <@mtown_nerd> It'd dumb. :[ 17:27 < Mercster> my agentz r all up in ur box 17:27 <@mtown_nerd> lol 17:27 <@Corydon76-dig> Screen scrapes are the province of unauthorized requests 17:27 <@mtown_nerd> soakin ur resarses 17:28 <@mtown_nerd> Keep in mind ... i'm describing how we *believe* it's set up. 17:28 <@mtown_nerd> But I could just be describing how to drive a stick having learned how to drive it on a busted clutch... 17:28 <@mtown_nerd> It could be that a sensibly implemented Altiris config = win. 17:28 <@mtown_nerd> But ours ... ours = fail. 17:28 <@Corydon76-dig> Trader Joe's has what are essentially peppermint oreos... 17:29 <@Corydon76-dig> quite good 17:29 < Mercster> yeah, tools are just that 17:29 < Mercster> they can be used for good or evil 17:29 <@mtown_nerd> Mercster: Or just rampant ineptitude. 17:29 <@mtown_nerd> lol 17:29 < Mercster> yea 17:29 <@Corydon76-dig> They also have vanilla oreos 17:30 < Mercster> Corydon76-dig: do they have hippy stink on them? 17:30 <@Corydon76-dig> Trader Joe's? 17:30 < Mercster> Corydon76-dig: can you be sure someone with no shoes and treadlocks hasnt handled your oreos 17:30 < Mercster> dreadlocks rather 17:30 < Mercster> OR treadlocks 17:30 <@Corydon76-dig> I'm not sure that you can be assured of that with ANY food 17:31 <@juice> http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chicago/chi-masters-of-lightning-video-html,0,4515599.htmlstory 17:31 < Mercster> ok ill say it 17:31 < Mercster> a white kid 17:31 <@Corydon76-dig> save that which you grow, tend, and harvest yourself 17:31 < Mercster> A WHITE KID WITH DREADLOCKS PROBABLY TOUCHED YOUR COOKIES 17:31 <@juice> Corydon76-dig, get your cooler? 17:31 <@Corydon76-dig> juice: yep 17:31 <@juice> cool 17:32 <@juice> we over slpt big time 17:32 <@juice> the house keeping woke us up at 12:15 17:32 < Mercster> warm 17:32 <@juice> check was 12 17:32 <@juice> checkout 17:32 <@Corydon76-dig> juice: apparently so, since it's now 6 weeks later 17:32 <@juice> :P 17:32 <@juice> haven't seen you on line 17:32 <@juice> to ask 17:32 <@Corydon76-dig> Then you're blind 17:33 <@juice> yep 17:33 <@juice> pretty impressive to chat on irc and be blind 17:33 <@Corydon76-dig> Save for a couple hours here and there when Comcast was offline, I've been on 17:33 < Mercster> i and Corydon76-dig have been chatting bigtime 17:33 < Mercster> so ya 17:33 < Mercster> get with it 17:33 <@Dagmar> .:.:: ::.:. ::: 17:33 < Mercster> GAH 17:33 <@juice> hehe 17:34 <@juice> bumps 17:35 <@mtown_nerd> o/ all. Commuting home! 17:36 * mtown_nerd poofs 17:36 * [1NF0] plugs nose 17:36 < Mercster> Dagmar: http://www.boingboing.net/images/_blogger_4256_375_320_four_eyes_illusion_1.jpg 17:37 < Mercster> try looking at that and not having a seizure / headache 17:38 < Mercster> http://rofl.wheresthebeef.co.uk/Four%20Eyes.jpg bigger 17:39 <@Dagmar> ...and clickable 17:40 <@Dagmar> SO the japanese are now genetically engineering their children to create more markers for cuteness 17:40 <@Dagmar> ...at the expense of practicality. 17:40 <@Dagmar> THat bitch will eat you out of house and home 17:40 < Mercster> i think its interesting how it fucks with your face recognition 17:41 < Mercster> it seriously gives me a headache to look at 17:41 < Mercster> blargh 17:46 < Mercster> Dagmar: this is the best one http://quanta.homeip.net/magiceye.jpg 17:48 <@Dagmar> I have no desire to see a penis in 3D thanks 17:48 <@Dagmar> ...and I suspect that came from 4chan 17:48 < Mercster> ive never looked at 4chan for more than 60 seconds in my entire life 17:48 < Mercster> so it didnt come from there 17:48 < Mercster> or if it did, it didnt get to me from there 17:49 < Mercster> its pretty fuckin hilarious, either way :) 17:54 <@Dagmar> WHat I dont' get is that Wilpig goes there on a regular basis apparently 17:54 < Mercster> web boards are weird 17:54 <@Dagmar> I'm perfectly content to simply wait for their jokes to sort of float to the top and out 17:54 < Mercster> takes a certain type 18:03 -!- Drag0n` [n=Nunya@97.65.245.2] has quit ["Oh my GOD!!! Somebody cut the fiber! 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20:38 <@sasquatc4> 320, normally its 400 20:39 < Mercster> bbbbilllionnnnns and bbbbillllionnnnns 20:39 < Mercster> sagan :( 20:39 <@Shadow404> damn, thats thing looks sweet sasquatc4 20:39 <@Shadow404> just watched the video 20:39 <@Shadow404> sasquatc4: waiting for it to arrive impatiently i bet! 20:39 <@sasquatc4> oh it is, i had been goin back and forth between that and one that was just a larger grid of pads, but this sale solidified it for me 20:40 <@sasquatc4> hehe, oh yea, but yea, most of the dj's that are half dj half producer and switchin to usin this, or somethin like it 20:40 <@sasquatc4> now that everyone has switched off of straight vinyl, and are either dvs or cd, this is the next step pretty much 20:41 <@sasquatc4> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zcgvw2Io1r0 this is just a quick vid some guy did after gettin his, he's not even doin much fancy stuff with it 20:41 <@Shadow404> yeah, digital is a bit more flexible 20:42 <@sasquatc4> but they are also hacking it up to act like a monome, so you can use it as a giant sequencer or drum machine 20:42 <@Shadow404> wow, thats sweet 20:42 <@Shadow404> definantly takes getting use to for a complete newb to teh board system 20:43 <@sasquatc4> yea, but ive always liked more production type styles, started on tables, then went to cds but rarely used em and just got back into it using straight software and just my regular mixer, and while its fun this provides way more interaction and ease of use 20:43 < eryc> nice candy bracelet in that vid 20:44 <@sasquatc4> hah, yea, noticed that too, noodly bastard 20:44 < eryc> I BET HE DOES DRUGS 20:44 <@Dagmar> motherfucking SKILLS 20:44 <@Shadow404> its pretty cool board 20:44 < eryc> is this just the apc40 or ableton live too? 20:45 <@sasquatc4> with ableton, the apc is useless by itself without ableton, though it can send generic midi so you can at least map it in other apps 20:45 <@Dagmar> That is just fuckin' sick 20:46 <@Dagmar> Right. 20:46 <@tzanger> http://thebrainobservatory.ucsd.edu/hm_live.php 20:46 <@tzanger> wtf man 20:46 <@Dagmar> Okay, so NOW digital has a reason to feel a bit better than pure turntablism 20:46 <@Shadow404> can you share the ableton between apps at the same time 20:46 <@Shadow404> aka, map a couple of buttons to trigger for 2 different programs 20:46 <@Dagmar> This is the first time I've actually seen someone do something _complex_ with this kinda rig aside from two guys 20:47 <@sasquatc4> Shadow404: not completely sure, i know if your usin vst plugins the knobs always change effects/instrument parameters, so when you have that channel selected the knobs will tweak whatever you have selected 20:47 <@sasquatc4> but dunno about mapping to multiple apps at the same time 20:48 <@sasquatc4> i doubt it, as of right now, since its values are hardcoded, as well as the midi channel its on probably 20:48 <@sasquatc4> but i think there are hacks out there that let you do more 20:48 <@sasquatc4> Dagmar: yea, things like this are greatly expanding the stuff 20:48 <@Shadow404> yeay, most hardware unless specifically designed will only allow the first caller to use it 20:49 <@sasquatc4> like heres a vid of a guy usin the launchpad, the other one i was thinkin of gettin, with the apc as a sequencer and drum machine 20:49 <@Dagmar> I'm kinda wondering whether to ask the guys I know if they've bought one yet 20:49 <@sasquatc4> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apoAmFO7sO4 20:49 <@Dagmar> Lesnansky's bound to have gotten one by now 20:50 <@sasquatc4> at least in this town people are open to all digital setups, prolly cause beatport is based here and owns the biggest clubs, but there are alot of towns that just look down on digital stuff at all, if its not just vinyl or cds they get ragged on 20:51 <@sasquatc4> which is a shame, cause you can do sooo much more than the boring old random beatmatch, transition repeat 20:51 <@Dagmar> That's what most of them do tho 20:51 <@Dagmar> They get the cruise control beatmatch button and get lazy overnight 20:52 <@sasquatc4> well even most digital setups, like the vci's and whatever are still just basically emulating to tables/cdjs, so your still as usual just limited to those anyway, so even though you can now bring your thousands of tracks with you your still doin the same old shit 20:52 <@sasquatc4> at least with ableton, while you have everything pre-beatmatched just cause of how it is, you can do so much more on the fly, its insanely easy to just bust out a full out remix on the fly 20:53 <@sasquatc4> that and once you know the audio warping setup, you can warp a track in under minute so if you want to mix something on the fly it doesnt have to be planned out, which is a misconception most of vinyl/cd guys have is that everything has to be pre-planned 20:53 <@Dagmar> Well, by the look of that, with the right software you could pretty much sort by BPM and just bookmark points in copies of your vinyl 20:54 <@Dagmar> I seldom planned much of anything 20:54 <@sasquatc4> thats sort of how the digital vinyl systems work, you have everything sorted into your virtual 'crates', and can bookmark parts, but ableton doesnt really work that way 20:54 <@Dagmar> There's a tradeoff involved. Makes sets VERY hectic if you've just got a box of vinyl and no game plan 20:55 <@Dagmar> You might try something complex and have your shit come down around your ears 20:55 <@sasquatc4> you analyze the track first and setup the track so it fits within a time scale, and then the software can warp the audio so it fits into whatever tempo your doing, so there isnt beatmatching persay since everything is already lined up 20:55 <@sasquatc4> thats very true, you can get out of hand with how much your tryin to do 20:56 <@Dagmar> Looks like witht his tho you could pretty much use it like a quisinart for your record collection at the very least 20:56 <@Dagmar> Something starts to go wrong--smack a few buttons to reset to a known, sane phrasing 20:56 < eryc> this seems more like an instrument to me which requires more skill than beatmatching/mixing 20:56 <@sasquatc4> exactly, it is a bit hard to do loops on the fly, the controller just isnt setup for it, but what you can do is just record a section of audio off to another clip, so another button, and then trigger it whenever 20:56 <@Dagmar> There's something to be said for having enough buttons to make "head switch time" on vinyl approach 0 20:56 <@sasquatc4> so you do that enough, you now have like 5 songs chopped up, and can play parts from each of em 20:57 < eryc> it would be cool to hear someone who knows what they are doing and is musically talented 20:57 <@Dagmar> Man that first video linked was a skilled dude 20:57 <@Shadow404> thats odd, i can unplug the usb wirleess adapter on the vista box, and it switches back to the wired connection and picks up the internet there for almost everything including streaming radio and youtube, mail, etc 20:57 <@Shadow404> doesnt even hiccup with streaming, noticed a 50ms switch hit 20:57 < eryc> yea he was pretty good you're right 20:57 <@Dagmar> I'm a little freaked by his text there saying he _just_ picked that up 20:57 <@Shadow404> but drops ssh wtf 20:57 < eryc> the second guy just annoyed the crap out of me 20:57 <@Shadow404> yeah, that first video rocked 20:57 <@sasquatc4> yea, like i said, that vid was just a dude with a bunch of tracks, but generally if you are really planning on something, you setup scenes, which are the whole rows, and then the very far right button triggers a whole row 20:58 <@Shadow404> clare and i didnt want it to end 20:58 <@sasquatc4> so you set off a row, then you can change parts vertically to swap things out, or switch whole scenes 20:58 <@Dagmar> I bet the software has documentation hints like "FOR GOD'S SAKE YOU WANT SATA STRIPED LOCALLY" 20:58 <@sasquatc4> but even with just a bunch of tracks it can sound awesome, scenes are more production oriented or pre-planned stuff 20:59 <@Dagmar> Even for _not_ planning ahead tho... 20:59 <@sasquatc4> yea 20:59 <@Dagmar> If you just digitized your vinyls and then chopped them into bits, JUST being able to swap pieces in or out would let you effectively swap records like a hummingbird 21:00 <@Dagmar> Enter, traktor 21:00 <@sasquatc4> yea, well alot of dj's who do sets, if you look at their ableton layouts, each song is basically a vertical section of like 5-10 pieces, each relevant part of a track, so they just switch to the parts they want 21:01 <@Dagmar> That's what you'd _like_ to do as a DJ but there's the head switch time thing 21:01 <@sasquatc4> its a shame traktor doesnt support rewire, cause then you could wire traktor into ableton, but i think the only dvs setup that does that is virtualdj, which is fairly low on the dvs totem pole 21:01 <@Dagmar> Gotta have three bloody turntables to back up in a track without a backspin of some kind, which means an interruption 21:02 <@sasquatc4> tho ableton does have a deal with serato/rane, who makes the industry standard dvs, so everyone is hopin they come out with some sort of badass integration 21:02 <@Dagmar> http://www.djtechtools.com/2008/04/04/smart-mixing-traktor-with-ableton/ 21:03 <@sasquatc4> yea, but that whole rig is so ghetto, ive looked at it before 21:03 <@Dagmar> It looks complex as fuck, but if it works who cares 21:04 <@sasquatc4> cause ive used that smart mixing template in ableton, which is freakin insane, cause it perfectly sets up all the eq's, all the audio is compressed and sidechained together, so you never ever get frequencies stomping on each other 21:04 <@Dagmar> Personally I'd prefer the controls with actual turntables, but... 21:04 <@sasquatc4> since you choose which bass/treble you want as a master, and it compresses the other to fit inside 21:04 <@Dagmar> euw 21:06 <@sasquatc4> i love sidechaining, but more as an effect, since it applies the effect on one audio channel based on the other, so you end up with some badass sounds. Like one thing thats pretty cool is setting up a usual kick/snare/etc, but then to create a bassline or main rythm, you use a sidechained gate or compressor so you can actually create a beat based on the other parts of the audio 21:06 <@sasquatc4> so you can have just one straight audio tone, but based on the other audio shape a beat out of it 21:07 <@Dagmar> Oh look 21:08 <@Dagmar> I found a typical digital DJ 21:08 <@Dagmar> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWcjrXQmP8k 21:09 <@sasquatc4> hehe, truthfully most of the digital dj's out there dont really auto beatmatch that often, especially if they are using serato since it just doesnt have the option, and serato is the standard 21:09 <@sasquatc4> but traktor on the other hand 21:13 <@Dagmar> Oh this explains a few things 21:14 <@Dagmar> Apparently Richie Hawtin's been using final scratch and and albeton controller for awhile 21:15 <@sasquatc4> actually i think he uses traktor mostly now, final scratch is sorta defunct and is really related to traktor anymore 21:15 <@sasquatc4> but yea, he's always pimping some new traktor controller 21:54 -!- fie [n=fie@ip70-178-40-111.ks.ks.cox.net] has joined #se2600 22:38 -!- CRasH180 [n=CRasH180@pdpc/supporter/silver/CRasH180] has quit ["leaving"] 22:57 -!- dasunt [n=dasunt@unaffiliated/dasunt] has joined #se2600 22:57 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o dasunt] by ChanServ 22:58 <@dasunt> MAY WE START FIRES? 22:59 < opticron> GO FORTH AND BURN 22:59 <@dasunt> THANK YOU SIR! 23:01 <@dasunt> I have a bad case of "fuck it" lately. 23:15 <@sdodson> dasunt: you too? 23:16 < eryc> cool story bro 23:16 <@dasunt> sdodson: Yep. 23:17 <@dasunt> At this point, I'm very tempted to pick the choice that most entertains me in the short term. 23:18 <@sdodson> dasunt: tits 23:18 <@dasunt> That's always fun. 23:27 -!- droops [n=erickson@74.193.239.242] has quit [] 23:27 -!- droops [n=erickson@74.193.239.242] has joined #se2600 23:27 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o droops] by ChanServ --- Log closed Thu Dec 03 00:00:25 2009