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03:18 <@Dagmar> http://thinkprogress.org/2009/11/23/fox-pie-chart/ <- HAAHAHHAAHHAHA
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07:23 < ware> Evilpig: !!!
07:24 < ware> Dagmar: can haz both
07:49 <@tzanger> hmm
07:50 <@tzanger> http://brotherk-fw.mixdown.ca:8000/status.html
07:50 <@tzanger> does that work for all y'all? IE and FF seem okay (8 blobs under inputs, #1 green, 4 under outputs, and about 15 lines of log text)
07:52 <@Shadow404> no log text, no green
07:52 <@Shadow404> firefox
07:55 < ware> works for my ff
07:55 < ware> xp+ff
07:55 <@tzanger> very interesting
07:57 <@opticron> tzanger, works for me, but the blobs aren't quite lined up with the numbers
07:58 <@opticron> FF 3.5.3
07:58 <@tzanger> no, I know they're not lined up yet :-)
07:58 <@tzanger> Shadow404: what version of FF, what OS?
07:58 <@tzanger> (this is using thttpd ona n embedded system, I can't get the user-aganet tag)
07:58 < ware> 3.5.5 fo mee
07:59 <@tzanger> so 3.5.3, 3.5.5 work
07:59 <@tzanger> I too have 3.5.5
08:01 <@opticron> Shadow404, need the version of FF you're using
08:02 <@opticron> what fancy little device might this be?
08:02 <@tzanger> it's a gumstix overo earth responding to your http requests
08:03 <@tzanger> but the hardware I built involves a PoE flyback supply, isolated digital and anlog inputs and outputs, a 5 port switch, two 4-port usb hubs, etc.
08:03 <@tzanger> it's not much really in terms of hardware *design* but it takes up a lot of traces on the board
08:03 < ware> dammit Evilpig, WHAT SERVER DO I ROLL ON
08:04 <@opticron> cool
08:04 <@opticron> i've got an ancient gumstix connex that I haven't done much with
08:04 <@tzanger> yeah, I want to put the OMAP right on the baord but it's gonna take me too long to design it
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08:05 <@opticron> i bet
08:44 <@sdodson> hi
08:46 <@tzanger> Shadow404: ping?
08:54 <@[1NF0]_Work> tzanger: http://esilibrary.com/~dmcmorris/tzanger/chrome.jpg  http://esilibrary.com/~dmcmorris/tzanger/firefox.jpg
08:54 <@[1NF0]_Work> holy crap, I'm still on firefox 3.0 ;)
08:55 <@tzanger> hmm
08:55 <@tzanger> [1NF0]_Work: thanks for the data, it looks like ff < 3.5 seems to have issues
08:55 <@tzanger> and chrome as well
08:55 <@tzanger> so my JS is horked.
08:56 <@Shadow404> 3.1 now leaves me alone
08:57 <@tzanger> Shadow404: is that what you are running to get no blobs and no log on my URL?
08:58 <@Shadow404> ah, isnt /ignore a wonderful tool
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10:11 <@dasunt> Does windows 2003 SBS server cache non-authoritive DNS answers?
10:13 <@dasunt> Does windows SBS server cache non-authoritive DNS answers?
10:13 <@dasunt> Woopsie.
10:14 <@Shadow404> yes, windows in general caches all dns replies, not sure about verison specific
10:14 <@Shadow404> gotta do a soft clear to get them uncached
10:14 <@Shadow404> via cli
10:15 <@Shadow404> there is a way to disable caching, not sure about sbs/2003 though
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10:15 <@Shadow404> hope that helps
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10:52 <@dasunt> Weird.
10:52 <@dasunt> Okay, I'm having some page load problems with this one site.
10:53 <@dasunt> So I brought in a clean netbook, let it grab DHCP for the IP, and called the ISP and verified the DNS servers.
10:53 <@dasunt> Then manually entered the DNS servers on the netbook.
10:53 <@dasunt> Then I start playing <noun>.com
10:53 <@dasunt> Using nslookup.
10:54 <@dasunt> The ISP's DNS server is refusing to return an A record for "hawk.com".  Weird.
10:55 <@dasunt> Ne'ermind, that doesn't seem to have one.
10:56 < coil> hawk.com mail is handled by 50 hellsgate2.hawk.com.
10:56 <@dasunt> Interesting.
10:56 <@dasunt> Occasionally a query for CNN times out.
10:56  * dasunt peers at the mass of networking equipment here.
11:06 <@Shadow404> good luck
11:07 < coil> Shadow404: eta on stfudiaf
11:08 <@rattle> Does anyone know if domain functional level has an effect on pass-the-hash attacks?
11:08 <@Shadow404> i need some hash, pass it this way
11:09 < coil> wtf, my teacher says that cat-4 cable is telephone cable
11:09 <@Shadow404> lawl
11:09 <@Shadow404> cat 3, durka
11:09 < coil> in my a+ class...
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11:09 <@Shadow404> wow, please tell him to wikipedia cat 3 cable
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11:09 < coil> hes a business teacher not a computer teacher
11:10 <@Shadow404> so
11:10 < coil> he says so much wrong shit
11:10 < coil> or incorrect
11:10 <@Drag0n`> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_4_cable
11:10 < coil> its horrible
11:10 <@Shadow404> dont make incorrect comements when teaching
11:10 < coil> i dont correct him
11:10 < coil> everyone in the class is dumb that talks
11:10 <@Drag0n`> its brokenring network cable
11:11 <@Drag0n`> it can be used for standard phone cable, but so can cat 5
11:11 <@Shadow404> and so can cat6
11:11 <@Shadow404> for that matter
11:11 <@Shadow404> why you would waste money on a pots line with cat 4-6 is beyond me
11:11 <@Drag0n`> yep, anything with at least 2 wires
11:12 <@Drag0n`> if you really want to be an arse, you can use coax
11:12 < coil> omfg
11:12 < coil> apg....
11:12 < coil> its AGP you dumb fucks
11:13 <@Drag0n`> i have seen it done when you have to run 4 lines to the same place, its easier than running 4 seperate lines, just breaking out the pairs at the end
11:22 < fall0ut> your instructor is a retard.
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11:24 < coil> at least i have loldogs entertaining me
11:25 < coil> wish i could get ssh dymanic port forwarding working on this computer
11:27 < coil> nm it works
11:27 < coil> on port 443
11:27 < coil> ssh on port 80
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13:54 < ephemeral> coil: Do you still have to memorize the IO addresses and IRQs for serial ports?
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13:56 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
13:59 <@Dolemite> sdodson : Where did you steal your quote from about service monitoring?
14:08 <@Dagmar> ephemeral: If you're doing any PC hardware work, you still need to know those
14:11 <@Shadow404> yeah, cause when was the last time you set the irq, dma or io ports for an interface card you installed that was made in the last 5 years?
14:11 <@Shadow404> heh
14:12 <@Shadow404> i could understand supporting legacy stuff, but thats an aging niche
14:12 <@Dagmar> You don't for serial ports, but you DO need to be able to recognize when some tardcake has been screwing around in their BIOS and set the wrong fucking address or IRQs.
14:13 <@Dagmar> ...since all that's pretty much just in the BIOS now
14:15 <@Shadow404> tell the tardcake, well, looks like i need to order a new bios, and then charge an arm and a leg
14:15 <@Shadow404> sigh
14:16 <@Dagmar> There's also the slightly more rare chance that ESD scrambled the CMOS data
14:16 <@Dagmar> "For twenty bucks, that can be the official story."
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14:47 <@digitalirony> anyone else getting spammed for dcc
14:51 < eryc> http://www.break.com/index/insane-merry-go-round.html
14:53 <@Shadow404> nope, use a real client digitalirony
14:53 <@Shadow404> or auto reject dcc in your mode
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14:54 <@digitalirony> yeah I know.... :X I just use pidgin for work purposes
14:54 <@digitalirony> I have jabber, and all kinds of other stuffs
14:54 <@digitalirony> too much room on screen :P
15:12 <@Dagmar> I wonder how long it's going to take people to realize we can't have a "war tax"
15:16 < chruck> there's always a "war tax"
15:19 <@Dagmar> No, there's not.
15:20 <@Dagmar> We sold war _bonds_ during WWII, not added a "war tax" for the same reason there's no "quartering" of troops in private homes in here in the US
15:20 < chruck> then perhaps I misunderstand
15:21 <@Dagmar> The Third Amendment to the Constitution was brought up as the reason to sell bonds, the purchase of which are optional, rather than simply force everyone to pay through the nose
15:22 < chruck> So, you submit war bonds were the only funding of WWII?
15:22 <@Dagmar> I said that where, exactly?
15:23 <@sdodson> Dolemite: Limoncelli, did I not attribute it? http://www.everythingsysadmin.com/
15:24 < chruck> Okay, then.  Please define "war tax".
15:24 <@Dagmar> No.
15:24 <@Dagmar> Turn on your fucking television.
15:24 < eryc> can't, the mind rays will get me
15:24 <@Dagmar> I've better things to do than to let someone try to start an argument with me about this
15:25 <@Dagmar> CNN's going on about it, and I can't help but wonder how many of thost people slept through US History class in public school
15:25 <@sdodson> TV is for sheeple.
15:25 < eryc> meep meep
15:29 < eryc> is nancy grace on yet?
15:30 <@sdodson> dunno man, but I hear she's pissed, someone's balloon got away and NO ONE DID ANYTHING ABOUT IT!
15:32 <@Dagmar> Oh she's probably still not done talking shit about that new little 5-year old that got raped and murdered
15:34 <@Dagmar> ...although there is the possibility she might decide to turn towards talking shit about the lawyer in that other murdered little girl case, just for having the gall to suggest that someone otehr than THE CHILD'S *OWN MOTHER* SAVAGELY MURDERED THAT LITTLE GIRL </nancy>
15:34 <@Dagmar> She's an ambulance-chasing bitch and the sooner she's disbarred or beaten to death the better off everyone will be.
15:35 < ware> fux dem
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15:40 < eryc> http://thechive.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/weekend-random-hilarious-wt-2d-6.jpg
15:42 <@Dagmar> OMG It's HIM!
15:43 <@Dagmar> It's Captain Obvious!
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15:45 < R3d2Dawn> I need help with some grammer! Can some one tell me if there is any grammatical errors with this statement:
15:45 < R3d2Dawn> Adaptive-Thinker that is results-driven where high-stressful situations and handling multiple jobs is the norm.
15:46 <@Shadow404> a bit confusing
15:46 < R3d2Dawn> what is?
15:46 <@ziplock> if there *are* any grammatical errors with this statement.....
15:47 <@Shadow404> could be better written
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15:47 < R3d2Dawn> How so?
15:47 <@Shadow404> unless thats like a mystical mission statement
15:47 <@Shadow404> one-liner
15:47 <@Shadow404> whats the purpose of that phrase
15:48 <@Shadow404> where is it going into?
15:48 < R3d2Dawn> It is to be used in relation to resumes, cover letters, etc.
15:48 < R3d2Dawn> Profile Statement.
15:49 <@Shadow404> hmmm
15:49 <@Shadow404> than in that case, for a mission statement, it reads fine
15:49 <@Shadow404> if this was for a longer document, that could of been spaced out
15:49 < R3d2Dawn> my origional statement was: Adaptive-Thinker accustomed to high-stressful situations and handling mulitple jobs is the norm.
15:50 <@Shadow404> yeah, what you have now, sounds better
15:50 < R3d2Dawn> the first one or the second one
15:50 <@Dagmar> ...should be "high-stress" or "stressful"
15:50 < R3d2Dawn> I wanted to add in results-driven, but guess I could leave it out or place some where else
15:50 <@Dagmar> s/and/where/;
15:50 <@Shadow404> most of those things are bs anyways
15:51 <@Shadow404> hell, when i get some downtime, i use it for myself, i dont keep my self busy, cause busy work is bs
15:51 < R3d2Dawn> I love to stay busy, but only if it is what I like to do
15:52 <@Shadow404> exactly
15:52 < R3d2Dawn> Dagmar, thanks I will change to "high-stress"
15:53 < R3d2Dawn> Shadow404, thanks for your opinion as well
15:53 < eryc> buzzerific
15:53 <@Shadow404> damn right
15:53 < eryc> Adaptive-Thinker sounds dumb
15:53 < eryc> results-driven doesnt make sense
15:53 < R3d2Dawn> what would be better?
15:54 < R3d2Dawn> results-driven is a business terminology
15:54 < eryc> handling multiple jobs == multitasking
15:55 < R3d2Dawn> enyc, we are talkign in terms for statements, to be use in regards to resume, cover letters, etc.
15:55 < eryc> you can say driven if you want but i think results oriented is better
15:55 < R3d2Dawn> so what would sound better than Adaptive-Thinker that would still get the same message out
15:56 < R3d2Dawn> I was using results-driven because it was something that was specifically used in some of the job descriptions and in company profiles
15:57 < eryc> ok
15:57 < eryc> well personally i'd say i'm paycheck-driven and results focused or oriented
15:57 < R3d2Dawn> lol
15:59 <@Shadow404> id says, truthfully, im free time driven and work hard enough to get my job done so i can relax and wait for the next assignment and use that free time for something i want to do
16:00 < eryc> maybe something like,
16:00 < eryc> Adaptive mindset with a results-oriented and multitasked approach to high-stress situations.
16:00 < eryc> i'd work on it more if it was me but thats a start
16:01 < eryc> it seems like you want "you" to be the subject in the sentence which i didnt quite hit
16:02 < eryc> anyway, my advise is not to daisy chain buzzwords but focus on what it is you actually want to say and toss in a few if you are responding to specific job rqeuirements
16:17 < eryc> k
16:17 < eryc> cool story bro
16:27 < eryc> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8w6IsyaPQ1E
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17:08 <@m0j0-j0j0> off to the gym
17:08 <@m0j0-j0j0> have a good night folks.
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17:31 <@sdodson> hi
17:32 <@sdodson> "detail oriented" is a cue for getting tossed in the trashcan
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17:47 < ware> Evilpig: DAMMIT MAN
17:47 < ware> ware r u
17:47 < ware> 17:47 [niven] | idle     : 2d 15h 2m 22s (signon: Fri Nov 20 20:07:42 2009)
17:47 < ware> thats bullshit!
17:51 < eryc> sdodson: yea i dont even bother with that bullshit
17:51 < eryc> if i need to pander with buzzwords i dont want to work there
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19:03 <@sdodson> eryc: Ya, I don't think that's laid out in any of our interview materials, but our interview process pretty quickly cuts through all that bullshit and we only hire the most awesomest people ever, I mean they hired me...
19:27 <@Corydon76-dig> Every system has its holes
19:45 <@sdodson> Corydon76-dig: hOLES THAT LET AWESOME THROUGH!
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20:01 < R3d2Dawn> eryc, thanks for the input. I like your statement...
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21:04 <@dasunt> This channel is quiet lately.
21:05 <@Dagmar> The stupid are restless tonight.
21:05 <@Dagmar> They also know to stay the fuck out of channels like this one
21:06 <@Dagmar> deftonix: Nope
21:06 <@sdodson> http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=120326033
21:06 <@sdodson> Dagmar: pppsssst, that person doesn't exist!
21:06 <@sdodson> Dagmar: he's in your mind
21:06 <@sdodson> see a shrink!
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21:12 < coil> hey sdodson
21:12 <@sdodson> coil: sup?
21:13 < coil> nm howse it going bro
21:13 <@sdodson> coil: listening to npr thing on music
21:13 <@sdodson> coil: check it out http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=120326033
21:14 < coil> wish i had speakers hooked up
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21:26 <@Dagmar> lol
21:26 <@Dagmar> "We needed to find a way to make the filtering automatic and painless and thus provide maximum benefit to users," he wrote. "In summary, the XSS Filter will prove its worth by raising the bar and mitigating the types of XSS most commonly found across the web today, by default;, for users of Internet Explorer 8."
21:26 <@sdodson> Isn't that the same tool that had an xss in it?
21:27 <@Dagmar> :)
21:27 <@Dagmar> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/20/internet_explorer_security_flaw/
21:28 <@Dagmar> The guy might as well be saying "We need to find a way to stop sucking and have at least one release where we're not clearly all running around in circles with one thumb stuck up our asses in confusion."
21:29 <@Dagmar> 'cuz it looks to me like a pretty serious fuckup when the thing that's supposed to be preventing XSS attacks is causing them multiple different ways
21:30 <@sdodson> I wrote an infinite loop detector yesterday.
21:31 <@dasunt> Has it exited yet?
21:44 <@sdodson> I need to find an arm band case for my pre
21:48 < ware> Evilpig: dood
21:51 <@Dagmar> How can I put this...
21:52 <@Dagmar> If you just pay for a vasectomy you don't have to go through the trouble of buying new arm straps when the old ones wear out
21:52 < ware> yeah get a blackberry
21:53 < ware> they are the best phones period
21:53 < Todd> I'm thinking about trading my blackberry for a pre
21:53 < ware> well thats fucking stupid
21:53 < ware> pre's are stupid
21:53 <@sdodson> Todd: yay
21:53 <@sdodson> wares are stupid
21:53 <@sdodson> Todd: On VZW?
21:53 < ware> you wanna be like sdodson, go ahead
21:53 < ware> you will regret it and be stuck with a stupid fucking phone
21:53 < Todd> sdodson: Sprint
21:53 <@sdodson> EVeryone wants to be like sdodson
21:53 < ware> Dagmar: how can i determine where my hardware failure is
21:53 <@Dagmar> I'm thinking there's very little chance that armband holsters for phones will stop being women deterrents
21:53 < Todd> sdodson: either a pre or a hero.. (if they ever update to 2.0)
21:53 < ware> i think i may have fried the chipset on my motherboard
21:54 < Todd> http://lolwat.net/NSFW/ff6d40ac8497514079e49bf2d5f9f115 NSFW
21:54 < Todd> holy shit is that NFS?!
21:54 < ware> its running really ragged like, will be fine then hang for a few seconds up to 10 seconds
21:54 <@sdodson> so hay, this shit where you hop in your car and the music on your iphone starts playing, is that just basic a2dp or is that something special that has to be iphone only?
21:54 < ware> takes forever to boot up and sometimes bluescreens out
21:54 <@Dagmar> ware: Could be you blew it up
21:54 < ware> this is on a live cd boot or with 1 hdd plugged in
21:54 <@Dagmar> I'd run memtest86 on it
21:54 < ware> well anyway to tell for sure
21:54 < ware> i need to take the board out to look on the other side for burn marks
21:54 < ware> or take the heatsink off
21:55 <@Dagmar> Replace each piece with "known, good" hardware and repeat the tests that show the failure
21:55 < ware> im super pissed. fucking thing was fine before
21:55 <@sdodson> Todd: ya, i think so
21:55 <@Dagmar> It could just as easily be the OS waiting on the disk to stop frantically trying to remap sectors
21:55 < ware> yah thats my usual troubleshooting but i dont have hardware to test with
21:55 < ware> chkdsk reported fine no errrahs
21:55 <@Dagmar> chkdsk is basically bullshit
21:55 < ware> always worked fine for me with a force fix flag
21:55 < ware> FFF
21:55 <@Dagmar> By the time chkdsk will show an error, your data is well and truly fucked
21:56 < ware> heh. rebooting, i love percocet
21:56 <@Dagmar> ALl hard drives now recover bad sectors and remap them to good sectors on their own
21:56 <@Dagmar> They'll do this until you're out of spare sectors.
21:57 <@Dagmar> ...at which point you should have been monitoring the S.M.A.R.T. reports they've been trying to tell your BIOS about during POST.
21:57 <@sdodson> I didn't know dagmar liked closed captioning. http://lolwat.net/2f3578fc1551153262c79df839249304
22:03 < ware> SMART hasnt been yelling about anything
22:03 < ware> it rebooting faster than it has yet
22:03 < ware> but its still fucking slow as shit
22:04 < ware> compared to what it should be doing
22:04 <@sdodson> turn off ahci
22:04 < ware> unless im slow
22:04 < ware> power management stuff?
22:04 < ware> what is ahci
22:04 <@sdodson> ware: no, sata stuff
22:04 < ware> my drive is sata
22:04 <@sdodson> ware: or toggle it rather
22:04 <@Dagmar> Yes, so that'll probably bring hte machine full stop
22:04 <@sdodson> if it's on turn it off, if it's off turn it on
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22:04 < ware> is that a bios setting? i dont remember seeing that
22:05 <@sdodson> it's going to be under drive options
22:05 <@Dagmar> Just so you know, if you suddenly disable SATA compatibility modes and Windows XP was installed using the SATA drive in IDE mode, it won't reboot again.
22:05 <@Dagmar> Enabling it will do nothing.
22:05 < ware> im on winders 7 retail
22:05 < ware> but that sounds like it woudl suck
22:05 <@Dagmar> So then more than likely it just knew to use the disks as SATA disks
22:06 < ware> well its booted and seems to be half ass decent.
22:06 <@Dagmar> warer: What makes things even more fun is apparently Windows codes some shit into the filesystem about what the disk looks like to it when it writes to it
22:06 < ware> just trying to play some SC with my bro and friend here
22:06 <@Dagmar> I have two disks here, one with Windows 7 RC and one with Windows 7 Ultimate Edition retail on it
22:06 <@Dagmar> Windows 7 thinks they're both a fucking C drive
22:07 < ware> hrmp
22:07 <@sdodson> ware: after you made the change i suggested?
22:07 <@Dagmar> That second one will stay as D until it actually tries to access the filesystem on it
22:07 <@Dagmar> Then all hell breaks loose
22:07 < ware> sdodson: neg, was already rebooted
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22:07 < ware> im about to hook up my 2nd drive and reboot. im chatting from the box havin' the issue
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22:07 < ware> with*
22:07 <@devoid> Hi.
22:08 < ware> howdy devoid
22:08 <@devoid> Hi!
22:08 < ware> rebootin *cross fingers*
22:18 < ware> welp\
22:18 < ware> whatever it was PMSn about it has stopped
22:18 < ware> i oc'd it a little and seems to be alright now
22:19 < ware> i think she must have been mad cause i accidentally broke one of her 7" blue lights
22:20 < ware> Dagmar: are you playing on the same server as Evilpig ?
22:20 < ware> WoW*
22:20 <@Dagmar> Not really
22:21 <@Dagmar> i've got a toon there but he's like 66 or something
22:21 <@Dagmar> I don't care for the asshattery that goes on on a PvP server
22:21 <@sdodson> newsb
22:21 <@sdodson> ya, pvp is lame
22:21 < ware> hehe
22:21 < ware> youre on a carebear server too!
22:21 < ware> and youre an ally
22:21 <@Dagmar> ...and I'm pretty sure that server is one of the worst possible we could have gotten onto.
22:21 <@sdodson> 12 yuear olds and 25yr olds who act 12
22:21 <@Dagmar> Low population and low moral standing
22:21 < ware> he still on mal'ganis?
22:21 < ware> ohhh new one then
22:22 <@Dagmar> Yeah they moved over to umm... Damnit I can't remember
22:22 <@Dagmar> Detheroc
22:22 < ware> my brothers army friend is a guild master and they are farming ulduar on Lightning Storm or something
22:22 <@Dagmar> Dolemite thought a new server would be a good idea
22:22 < ware> i think im going to transfer over there if there isnt a group of ppl playing here
22:23 < ware> id be down for transferring to a new server
22:23 < ware> err, a free transfer* to a new server
22:23 <@Dagmar> What it amounts to is having the same population of professional goldfarmers skimming the market as the other servers do, and fewer actual players to buy/sell from
22:23 <@sdodson> ware: you say something about Uldum?
22:23 < ware> haha
22:23 <@Dagmar> i.e., less room for amateur market mongers.
22:23 < ware> sdodson: i rolled a toon there (Waare), send me gold and bags
22:24 <@Dagmar> Like, SHOULD they actually get their shit together and start raiding, I have a DK I can transfer over and change factions
22:24 <@sdodson> I HATE DKs
22:24 <@Dagmar> Well, I ain't movin' my Hunter
22:24 < ware> well im in
22:24 <@Dagmar> ...and I can assure you that if I ran my druid up to 80 there'd be crying
22:24 < ware> Dolemite: ping, read dis scroll 2moro
22:25 < ware> then we'll get on it
22:25 <@sdodson> I'm not adverse to moving characters around.
22:25 <@Dagmar> ...or my 'lock for that matter.
22:25 <@sdodson> The folks at work I started playing with all split up yesterday. That lasted all of a month or so.
22:25 < ware> we'd have 5 easy
22:25 <@Dagmar> There'd be crying over the druid, but the lock would probably get Chris kicking my ass
22:25 < ware> then isnt there a few of yalls coworkers that are playing too?
22:26 <@sdodson> They're playing,but we were all in a guild together but they split up
22:26 < ware> my bro would probably stay with his army buddy
22:26 <@Dagmar> Honestly, at this point it's freaking easier to just meet on the PTR
22:26 <@sdodson> They were all 80 and tired of running 5 man heroics.
22:26 < ware> haha
22:26 < ware> theres 10mans
22:26 <@Dagmar> 'cuz tehre if you don't have an 80, big fuckin' deal.  You can copy in a premade 80 of just about any class/race/sex
22:26 < ware> yeah but do you know how to play it
22:27 < ware> i hate wiping with ppl that dont know how to play their spot
22:27 <@Dagmar> If you don't know how to play it and you're not stupid you can learn quickly enough
22:27 <@Dagmar> ....and by "quickly enough" I mean in weeks, not minutes.
22:27 < ware> http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Sargeras&n=Lolmadcow
22:27 < ware> yah
22:27 < ware> it is possible for sure
22:27 <@sdodson> I normally buy all the music I want, but fuck Kaney West. Torrenting this shit.
22:27 <@Dagmar> I'm doing decently on my DK now, and pretty damn well on my ice mage, but that's all just pewpew without a pet to worry so much about
22:27 < ware> ahh im in ele spec
22:27 < ware> thats my healer shammy
22:28 < ware> i like my mage tho hes only 55 or so
22:28 <@sdodson> http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Uldum&n=Driggers I NEED MOAR ARMOR
22:28 <@Dagmar> I was astonished to find out my GearScore on Eshk is actually 4227
22:28 < ware> sdodson: you need to come to the horde!
22:28 <@sdodson> how do you know your gear score?
22:29 < ware> oh what was that site
22:29 < ware> it shows items to upgrade to as well
22:29 <@Dagmar> sdodson: well, I actually installed the GearScore addon
22:29 < ware> wow-heroes.com
22:29 <@Dagmar> ware: There is also Rawr
22:29 <@Dagmar> it works better for some classes than others.
22:30 <@Dagmar> If you want to just brutally fornicate around with the numbers, Rawr is awesome
22:30 <@Dagmar> http://www.codeplex.com/Rawr
22:31 <@Dagmar> sdodson: The good thing about GearScore is that if you were feeling insecure about your gear, you can just install that addon, stand near the entrance to HToC with your mouse over the door, and then just walk away from the keyboard
22:31 <@Dagmar> It calculates a gearscore for everyone you mouse over, and then caches this information.
22:31 <@sdodson> HToC?
22:31 <@Dagmar> You can then peruse the database at will
22:31 <@sdodson> I really need to learn all these damned names.
22:31 <@Dagmar> HToC-5
22:32 < ware> new instance
22:32 <@Dagmar> i.e, the new tournament 5-man heroic loot pinata
22:33 <@sdodson> should I bother with gear as long as i'mstill leveling?
22:33 <@Dagmar> Not really.
22:34 <@Dagmar> Actually once you hit 77 I think you can pretty much say "Fuck this" and go straight to Icecrown and the Argent Tournament and start doing those _dailies_ for rep, XP, and loot.
22:34 < xtort-> fallen earth > *
22:35 <@Dagmar> So like, by the time you actually hit 80, you'll have Icecrown all nice and unlocked, enough tournament tokens to get a nice bit of armor or weapon, and you'll be very ready to start flogging ToC5-regular for it's 4 pieces of i200 gear
22:35 <@Dagmar> Flog ToC-regular until the four pieces you want fall out, then switch to heroic mode and doing it once per day...collecting more badges and tokens along the way
22:36 <@sdodson> ok
22:36 <@Dagmar> Following that method does not work for main tanks tho.  Heh
22:36 <@Dagmar> Heroic ToC-5 is fucking brutal
22:36 <@Dagmar> Kind of the Heroic of Heroics
22:36 < ware> i havent been in there yet
22:36 <@sdodson> I don't want to tank, but I realize I may have to.
22:36 < ware> pig is a good tank
22:36 <@Dagmar> You can always DPS while you work on you normal heroics
22:36 < ware> ive got my pally that is 52 right now that id be willing to tank with
22:37 <@Dagmar> Pig can probably school you
22:37 < ware> but i heard they are not the best
22:37 <@Dagmar> Paladins work fine in there
22:37 < ware> sdodson: you were a tank the last time you played right?
22:38 <@Dagmar> cayda and qq both have paladins, and when qq and halisadon are working together with Hal on his warrior, they race each other for threat
22:38 <@sdodson> ware: No, fury.
22:38 <@Dagmar> Cayda will regularly stomp Hal at that little game
22:38 < xtort-> furry?
22:38 <@Dagmar> hehehe
22:39 <@Dagmar> Furry spec.  :)
22:39 < ware> hahaha
22:39 < ware> well they will have that new race
22:39 < ware> worgens?
22:39 <@sdodson> Ahw ya, gear score of 1150!
22:39 <@Dagmar> Majestic Fapjewel, +3% stroking speed
22:39 < ware> roofl
22:39 <@sdodson> I'm still sporting some levle 60 shit
22:39 <@Dagmar> sdodson: YOu won't even really need a quest guide for Northrend
22:40 <@Dagmar> Just toss a coin and pick an end of the island to start from, and then just follow all the quest lines
22:40 <@sdodson> I'm in Howling Fjord
22:40 <@Dagmar> There's no way to "optimize" a route really, and all the quests are fuckin' short
22:41 <@Dagmar> You'll quickly get a feel for knowing when a pair of quests at a quest hub are going to unlock a set of three more each, or send you somewhere else
22:42 <@sdodson> ya ya
22:42 <@sdodson> I do need to pay attention to my gear, i'm dieing, a lot.
22:42 <@Dagmar> Yeah that'll change
22:42 <@Dagmar> As per usual, when you hit the new lands, they start throwing better gear at you with both hands
22:43 <@sdodson> Well like I said I really haven't paid much attention to upgrading anything. Some of the stuff I still have from level 60 end game content.
22:43 <@sdodson> BWL and ZulGurub stuff.
22:43 <@Dagmar> My 80DK's bank is still choked with 3/4 enchanting dusts and powders from all the quest rewards I DE'd on my way to 80
22:43 <@sdodson> ZulGurub was leet dps warrior gear.
22:44 <@Dagmar> If you'd been playing much at 70 and had that epiced out, it might be level 74 before you saw your first meaningful upgrade from a quest reward
22:44 <@Dagmar> As it stands, you're going to get piles of +str/+sta gear thrown at you
22:44 <@Dagmar> "of the Champion" == "for the Win".  ;)
22:45 <@Dagmar> Oh!  Don't knock the player crafted plate either
22:45 <@Dagmar> OIt
22:45 <@Dagmar> It's good stuff
22:45 <@sdodson> bleh, Strength plus agility.
22:45 < ware> i wiped on Undying at the dragon before KT
22:45 < ware> was my first time in naxx tho
22:45 <@Dagmar> Perhaps THIS is why you're dying then
22:45 < ware> guildies were piiisseed lol
22:45 <@Dagmar> ware: Well, the good news is that after 3.3 hits you don't have to clear the wing bosses to get ahim
22:46 <@Dagmar> They're saying you'll be able to just go in and port straight to the dragon's room
22:46 < ware> werd
22:46 <@Dagmar> I think we'll be starting Naxx with Sapph/KT from now on after that
22:46 <@Dagmar> ...just because of the lack of trash
22:47 <@Dagmar> Hehe I had people thinking I was nuts for doing a Naxx pug a couple of nights ago JUST to fill in a spot on KT alone
22:47 < ware> eh yeah
22:47 <@sdodson> Anyway, it's late, later guys. I may be interestged in transfering if Uldum doesn't work out.
22:47 < ware> ive done that before
22:47 <@Dagmar> it's hard to express "I LIKE TO SHOOT THINGS INNA FACE" without sounding like someone who doesn't belong in there
22:48 <@Dagmar> ...and I like the KT fight
22:48 <@Dagmar> Mexxna is almost as much fun, but KT is a hoot just because I get to shoot as fast as I can find targets
22:48 < ware> haha yeah
22:49 < ware> i get to cleanse and dispell and heal
22:49 < ware> and save ppl!
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22:49 < ware> "STAY TEH FUCK AWAY FROM ME! 10 YDS."
22:49 <@Dagmar> Ther'ea a rangecheck built right into the clients now
22:49 <@CRasH180> teh?
22:50 <@Dagmar> People should use it
22:50 <@CRasH180> apparently
22:50 < xtort-> wtf are you guys talking about? wow?
22:50 <@Dagmar> Yes.
22:50 < xtort-> k
22:51 <@sdodson> what's the range check?
22:51 < ware> WORLD OF WARCRAFT - FIGHTING FOR OUR RIGHTS.
22:51 < ware> set the range, shows all ppl within that range
22:52 <@Dagmar> Since basically during the KT fight stuff that gets cast on you will hurt everyone within 10 feet of you, spacing is important
22:52 <@Dagmar> It makes sure you can all stay spread out and no one has any excuse for being just nine feet from both the healer and the tank and killing everyone
22:53 <@sdodson> I sort of hate how scientific and procedural wow shit is.
22:53 <@sdodson> You just read how to do everything then follow directions, stand here, cast this, when they do this run, rinse repeat
22:53 <@Dagmar> It doesn't need to be
22:54 <@Dagmar> You *can* actually pay attention to what's going on and learn fights on the fly
22:54 <@Dagmar> Most people just aren't that fuckin' smart
22:54 <@Dagmar> All this shit I do with Rawr and theorycrafting is just me practicing math mainly
22:54 <@Dagmar> You can generally eyeball your gear and get within 5% of your max possible DPS
22:55 <@Dagmar> ...this is assuming you've put thought into the talent spec end of things
22:55 <@Dagmar> Someone who just clicks and lols will easily fall 25-30% short of everyone else
22:55 <@Dagmar> The last 20-25% of the DPS takes a bit of work
22:55 <@Dagmar> The last 5% is for people with too much free time
22:56 <@Dagmar> Like, there's a gun I have equipped because people occasionally gimme shit about not having it
22:56 <@Dagmar> In fights I equip the Nesingwary gun because it's a fucking Nesingwary gun and I like it
22:56 <@Dagmar> The difference is less than 1% in total DPS output
22:57 <@Dagmar> I give you shit but I figure you're probably smart enough to be able to do raids with only minimal instruction at all
22:57 <@Dagmar> Stuff like "Should I stand in this flaming stuff on the floor" is somewhat easy to figure out
22:57 <@Dagmar> YET PEOPLE FAIL AT IT
22:58 <@Dagmar> ...and when they fail at it is when they MUST have uber gear
23:00 <@Dagmar> Seriously tho if you're going to be soloing to 80, you need to switch your gear priorities for the moment and go with +str/sta/agi or sta/str/agi
23:00 <@Dagmar> Ignoring stamina is only good if you're _not_ the one being pounded
23:01 <@Dagmar> ...plus at like 73 I think you can get the player-made saronite armor that makes it more or less academic
23:03 <@sdodson> Ok. Will do that. NOW STOP TALING SO I CAN GO TO SLEEP!
23:03 <@sdodson> I appreciate it though.
23:03 <@Dagmar> Okay.  hehe
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