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00:39 <@devoid> Greetings!
00:41 <@[1NF0]> hmm... gota go give my pillows some head
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01:35 < Mercster> mudsplatter: puffy is good, but wu tang iz for tha childrenz
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03:22 <@NotLarry> Evilpig: you on?
03:30 < Mercster> huh, the peter pan guy got married
03:32 < Mercster> http://pixyland.org/peterpan/Imagezz/dory/DP_tutuPics_02_ext.JPG
03:32 < Mercster> good christ almighty
03:32 < Mercster> imagine the crimes against nature that go on in that bedroom
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03:46 <@Evilpig> yse
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05:02 < Mercster> eh
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12:17 < ware> Shadow404: you part of freeside?
12:17 < ware> http://www.flickr.com/photos/sparr0/4074488950/sizes/o/in/pool-1162162@N25/
12:25 <@sdodson> http://www.flickr.com/photos/subrinasissyfl/ doot da doo
12:28 <@sdodson> ok, no more clicking around on freeside photos, you quickly end up knee deep in trannies
12:30 <@sdodson> http://www.flickr.com/photos/zagez/144651290/ umffff natalie portman
12:30 < ware> foreal?
12:31 < ware> You must be signed in to see this content.
12:31 < ware> wuts yer pwd
12:33 <@sdodson> zomg
12:34 <@sdodson> http://farm1.static.flickr.com/54/144651290_633cc113ea_o.jpg  does that work?
12:55 < notlarry_> Evilpig: you up?
12:56 < notlarry_> sdodson, parse your log for my last connection as NotLarry eh?  I need to know my home ip:)
13:02 <@Dagmar> Looks like HIllary's been into the nose candy again
14:28 <@sdodson> She's just happy to be standing next to a perky set of breats.
14:29 <@sdodson> Err I mean Nataly Portman.
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14:31 <@sdodson> So it turns out there's 16 days more warranty on my mac mini
15:25 < notlarry_> thanks
15:25 < Mercster> sdodson: hurry, break something
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16:51 <@sdodson> Mercster: break what?
16:52 <@sdodson> Mercster: oh sorry, ya, it is broke!
16:52 < Mercster> sdodson: mini
16:52 <@sdodson> I took it to the genius bar today and they're going to replace the main board. The dude talked to me about working at Red Hat.
16:52 <@sdodson> Since it's really a lab machine for work.
16:52 < Mercster> sdodson: i replaced mine's keyboard a week ago or so...fucking ridiculous how tiny those things are inside. the clips holding the keyboard ribbon are like, 3 atoms across
16:53 <@sdodson> your netbook?
16:53 < Mercster> yeah
16:53 < Mercster> i have a mini too
16:53 <@sdodson> Ya, they're usually a slot and a small plastic pieces that pulls up slightly increasing the gap by a few microns.
16:54 <@sdodson> aren't you fucking tiny?
16:54 <@sdodson> netbook and mini!
16:54 < Mercster> stop ridiculing my genitals
16:55 < Mercster> my netbook is a mini
16:56 < Mercster> anyway, yeah, the keyboard ribbon connect was cute until i had to fit my big fat white american fingers in there
16:56 < Mercster> and get it secured
16:57 < Mercster> i still have an intel wifi board to replace the broadcom with that mgalgoci sent me, but i cant get the screws holding the card down to budge
16:57 < Mercster> and inside the mini is not really where you wanna be forcing shit and applying leverege
16:58 <@sdodson> Mercster: call up tim
16:58 < Mercster> ball?
16:58 <@sdodson> you like balls?
16:59 <@sdodson> ya
16:59 <@sdodson> neoteric
16:59 <@sdodson> he's azn
16:59 < Mercster> that cocksucker aint coming to knoxville to lend me a screwdriver
16:59 < Mercster> i just need a better phillips head
16:59 < Mercster> slightly smaller than what i have
17:00 <@sdodson> Radio Shack has a nice tiny screwdriver set complete with tiny torx and shit.
17:01 < Mercster> yeah
17:01 < Mercster> so does everywhere, just havent picked one up yet
17:01 <@sdodson> time to research if webos 1.3.1 is going to hork all my hacks
17:01 < Mercster> for some reason having an intel chip with open drivers was very important to matt
17:01 <@sdodson> radio shack was the only place if ound that had small torx
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17:01 < Mercster> ive got binary drivers working in fedora on the broadcom, i aint hurtin
17:02 <@sdodson> binary drivers kill kittens
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17:03 < Mercster> sdodson: you get a pre eh?
17:04 < Mercster> sdodson: wish you had a droid, dontcha
17:04 < Mercster> ADMIT IT
17:04 <@sdodson> No, I do wish palm or sprint ran cool ads like verizon does.
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17:05 < Mercster> you aint kiddin there, that redheaded chick is enough to make my dick crawl up in
17:05 <@ShadowHntr> evening everyone
17:05 < Mercster> im not much of a phone person, but i was looking at the pre and thought it was pretty hot shit on a stick, till the droid came out
17:06 < Mercster> i woulda felt like an asshole if i had gotten a pre. but these are just vicarious daydreams for me, im sure the palm pre is plenty nifty
17:06 < Mercster> i was always a palm fan in the PDA days
17:17 <@tzanger> I would nto have got a pre
17:17 <@tzanger> I used to love palm
17:17 <@tzanger> they couldn't find their arse with two hands and a flashlight
17:17 <@tzanger> the pre had potential, sure, but it was too little, too late
17:20 <@sdodson> Android is a shitty platform.
17:21 <@sdodson> But it will beat out Palm's WebOS unless palm realizes the way to win is to make their OS available to other phone vendors.
17:24 <@sdodson> I'm actually sort of wishing I'd gotten a pixi.
17:24 <@sdodson> s/gotten a pixi/waited until the pixi came out
17:24 <@sdodson> /
17:26 <@tzanger> what makes android a shitty platform?
17:28 < Mercster> sdodson: well, with all else being equal with regards to hardware and whatnot (webOS and android are both sort of unknown quantities, at least for the consumer)...the one big difference seemed to be the availablility of apps
17:28 < Mercster> last i heard from a friend with a pre, the app store or whatever is kinda pitiful
17:29 < Mercster> and there's already a lot of android stuff
17:29 < Mercster> or so i have read
17:29 <@sdodson> Android is seriously hacked up shit. It in almost no way resembles a respectable linux system.
17:29 <@sdodson> You can decide it that matters or not.
17:29 < Mercster> ...isnt that a good thing
17:30 < Mercster> haha
17:30 <@tzanger> sdodson: that will come with time
17:30 < Mercster> yeah, well
17:30 < Mercster> its a friggin phone, you really dont want anything that looks too much like linux near it
17:30 <@sdodson> tzanger: It came in June, int he form of WebOS.
17:30 <@tzanger> I'll take seriously hacked up open source shit that I can work on and move forward to closed proprietary glorified javascript shit
17:31 < Mercster> what does "respectable linux system" mean?
17:32 <@sdodson> Mercster: A kernel that remotely resembles the upstream kernel.
17:32 <@sdodson> A userland that's familiar to most embedded linux platforms.
17:32 <@tzanger> I *really* don't get the whole "resemble an upstream kernel" argument
17:33 < Mercster> what does android have for "userland"?
17:33 <@sdodson> Google seems to have basically said "Cool drivers bro, i'mma let you finish but we gonna steal yo drivers and hack the fuck out of your kernel"
17:33 <@tzanger> I write device drivers for a living
17:33 < Mercster> (im not sure why we're talking about userland with a phone, again, anyway)
17:33 <@tzanger> yes it's nice that you can commit back to tree and all, but honestly for an embedded system who gives a fuck if the kernel's 2.6.19 or 2.6.31-rc5
17:33 < Mercster> yeah well its a damned phone, its not gonna run vanilla :)
17:34 <@sdodson> I'm not talking about how recent it is.
17:36 < Mercster> i dunno man im not a kernel hacker, all i know is they need a small modular kernel with only the drivers required by the phone and a whole lot of the other shit ripped out
17:36 < Mercster> i mean, get a netbook if you want a tiny GNU/Linux thing, the phone is supposed to make calls and show you where restaurants are, right
17:37 < Mercster> that 1/10th of the kernel remains after scaling it down to the platform would surprise me
17:38 < Mercster> all it needs is something to bootstrap, spawn processes, and provide an API for phone-type drivers
17:38 < Mercster> i realize im speaking from a position of ignorance here, but...
17:38 <@sdodson> I'm fine with ripping out modules you don't need, or even patching out sections of code that aren't needed. I'm trying to find the article that discusses all problems people are raising.
17:38 < Mercster> sdodson: what does android have for "userland"?
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17:47 < Mercster> sdodson: are you sure these are "people", and not "philosophically-driven angry groklaw veterans who are offended by any software that didnt fall out of RMS's ass, plus it'd be nice if i could build everything with -O9 like i do in gentoo"?
17:47 < Mercster> sdodson: type faster, without your input im just going to get backed up on myself and my invective will get more outlandish
17:49 <@sdodson> Well, it was a linuxy person who wrote the article which i'munable to find right now. :(
17:50 < Mercster> k
17:50 < Mercster> yeah id like to see it, just out of curiosity
17:50 < Mercster> im trying to find anti-android rants in google and arent coming up with much
17:50 <@sdodson> I don't think they're suckling the tit of RMS though.
17:50 < Mercster> well, i just meant ya know, "GNU GNU GNU"
17:51 < Mercster> i can only guess from your criticism of the userland that it doesnt have the same old GNU utils everyone is familiar with
17:52 <@sdodson> I know one item mentioned was that glibc was heavilly modified.
17:52 <@dc0de> evening all.
17:52 < Mercster> evening dc0de
17:52 < Mercster> sdodson: yeah, id expect that as well
17:53 <@dc0de> sup Mercster
17:53 < Mercster> nada
17:53 < Mercster> waiting for UFC 105
17:53 < Mercster> on tape delay, free tonight on SpikeTV!
17:54 <@sdodson> actually they did their own libc
17:54 < Mercster> yeah thats actually more believable
17:55 < Mercster> glibc is a horrid bloated mess, but it doesnt matter like it used to, with our hardware
17:55 < Mercster> if you want something clean and small, there are plenty of places to start
17:56 <@sdodson> i want to play wow but i shouhldn't :(
17:57 < Mercster> sdodson: i sort of probably half know what yer talking about, cuz as far as ive heard from iphone people i know, its OS uses the same development environment and same GUI hooks and whatnot as OSX
17:57 < Mercster> i can see the benefit of having parity between the two
17:58 < Mercster> at the same time, darwin/OSX is a different beast, what is it? Mach with a raped freebsd on top, and its new to both the desktop and the phone, so people dont have huge expectations or complaints about what left on the chopping block
17:59 < Mercster> with linux, you have this whole mass of hardcore nerds (with enough hippy politics to make things even uglier) who expect things a certain way
17:59 <@sdodson> it's hardly new
17:59 <@sdodson> I mean, it's new compared to UNIX but
17:59 < Mercster> it's a reimplementation of older ideas, i know, but people arent nutty about Mach and freebsd like they are about linux
18:00 < Mercster> freebsd nerds dont have an unhealthy attachment to GNU at the expense of anything else :)
18:00 < Mercster> im just saying, its a different happenstance
18:00 <@sdodson> Heh, OSX 10.5 and newer are certified as being UNIX compliant
18:01 < Mercster> sure, why not
18:02 < Mercster> its just as kooky as some big iron UNIXen ive worked with
18:03 < Mercster> UNIX is standards compliance and API issues, not necessarilt x version of y tool in the same place all the time
18:03 <@sdodson> right
18:03 < Mercster> Irix dont look nuthin like HP-UX
18:04 < Mercster> solaris dont look nuthin like SCO
18:04 <@sdodson> yup
18:05 < Mercster> android dont look nuthin like linux ;-)
18:05 < Mercster> not unless you're a kernel hacker, probably
18:05 < Mercster> then you'd see the shared ground
18:07 < Mercster> im not one of these debian people who always wanna put GNU in front of Linux, but i mean, in reality it WAS two very seperate projects; Linux is the OS, GNU is the userland, it was convenient for them to live together and you dont have a coherent system without both
18:08 < Mercster> so to say "well it doesnt look like linux", if linux is the kernel, you're probably just not looking low-level enough
18:09 < Mercster> what you mean is "this isnt GNU enough", probably
18:09 < Mercster> im just guessing
18:09 < Mercster> but i believe you have some article you cant find that's more specific
18:10 < Mercster> keep looking for it. in the meantime, WebOS feels familiar when you get a shell on it? how is it superior from your point of view?
18:11 <@sdodson> I can run any linux app that's compiled for the arm processor
18:11 < Mercster> nod
18:13 < Mercster> what do you do, cross-comipile static bins for it
18:14 < Mercster> s/comipile/compile
18:18 < Mercster> well, if nothing else, you've got /usr/games/hanoi on your phone
18:18 < Mercster> that sort of thing is hard to put a value on
18:19 < Mercster> hm, i dont have access to a system with bsdgames on it
18:20 <@sdodson> There's a repo with it all
18:20 <@sdodson> but ya, you could setupa cross compiler environment pretty easilly iimagine
18:22 < Mercster> heh
18:22 < Mercster> so if android had apt and a repo with all your favorite little dongles, youd be happy ;)
18:24 < Mercster> thing is, this whole time, im cognizant of the annoying detail that these are phones
18:25 < Mercster> ehhh wtf do i know, i hate phones anyway. the whole idea of cellphones annoys me.
18:25 < Mercster> if im not home, i dont wanna talk to you
18:25 < Mercster> i still pine for the good old PDA days
18:25 < Mercster> you know i had just about the fanciest Palm PDA i think ever existed
18:25 < Mercster> sony clie NZ90
18:26 < Mercster> $800
18:26 < Mercster> that sucker was a beast
18:28 < Mercster> http://a.img-dpreview.com/news/0301/sonycliebig.jpg
18:29 < Mercster> that was truely hot shit
18:29 <@sdodson> my cell phone is my home phone
18:29 < Mercster> well, yeah, mine is too now, its sort of hard to exist without a cell phone, considering the price
18:29 < Mercster> but its just a crap cricket phone
18:30 < Mercster> i cant even get my damn pictures off of it, it doesnt have a usb port
18:31 < Mercster> and i got my mini without bluetooth
18:32 <@sdodson> should i order pizza or not?
18:32 < Mercster> YES
18:32 <@sdodson> mms them all off
18:33 < Mercster> to what
18:33 <@sdodson> deeznuts
18:33 <@sdodson> can't you mms them to an e-mail address? I could with my Treo
18:34 <@sdodson> I don't know if that was mms or just e-mail
18:34 < Mercster> hell i dunno, didnt think so
18:34 <@sdodson> but it appeared to come from MYPHONENUMBA@vtext.com
18:34 < Mercster> doesnt google have some mms gateway thing
18:34 <@sdodson> mms them to someone with an iphone
18:34 <@sdodson> Then kill thema nd take their iphone.
18:34 <@sdodson> Retrieve your photos then destroy the iphone.
18:35 < Mercster> you're good at distilling problems down to their simplest parts and creating solutions
18:36 < Mercster> yeah mail sucks on this thing
18:36 < Mercster> you have to pay monthly for the mail app
18:36 < Mercster> and it sucks anyway
18:37 < Mercster> you cant mms ton email addy afaik
18:39 <@sdodson> Ya, I like to think outside the box.
18:40 < Mercster> outside the EMAIL box hahahaha ha ha ahahaaaaaaaaaa
18:40 < Mercster> :(
18:41 <@sdodson> So a co-worker of mine, a guy born with a real silver spoon, tells this story about how he had just graduated from his lofty $100k tuition private highschool where everything was all thinking outside the box, no grades, etc, really out there.
18:41  * Mercster checks to see if his crap phone has a one-time pay email app available since he's looked last
18:41 <@sdodson> So someone's parents are out of town and they throw a party at their house. They're trying to setup beer pong but they realize the chandelier is in the way. So they spend hours thinking about how they can tie it up to the ceiling over here, rig it up with this and that.
18:42 <@sdodson> Then their public school attending friend shows up, they go over all their great ideas and the guy says "Why not just just move the fucking table?"
18:43 <@sdodson> So now anytime he comes up with a solution to problems at work I suggest we just move the table.
18:44 < Mercster> yea it'd be nice if clever solutions always worked, for anything
18:44 < Mercster> sdodson: sure you werent describing a phreaknic?
18:45 <@sdodson> You have private school hosers at phreaknic?
18:45 < Mercster> ive never heard so many pointlessly technical discussions forced into existence to avoid sounding like a normal person
18:45 <@sdodson> The video recording solution two or three years ago seems insanely complex.
18:45 < Mercster> nah, it just reminded me of some of the social interaction
18:46 < Mercster> not everyone was like that, but there were plenty
18:47 < Mercster> like, everything some people say has to be some epicurian outside-the-box technical windfall
18:47 < Mercster> and even if it didnt make any fucking sense, someone's gonna pipe up and engage you about it
18:47 < Mercster> "well what I was thinking was.."
18:49 < Mercster> i aint picking on phreaknic, phreaknic just happens to be the only majority-nerd environment ive been at in years
18:50 < Mercster> im sure groups of technophiles all over are similarly...
18:50 < Mercster> im not even gonna try to put a word to it
18:51 < Mercster> peculiar
18:52 < Mercster> UFC 105 starting on SpikeTV, 8 minutes!
18:52 < Mercster> if you love watching sweaty dudes slide around on each other as much as i do, tune in!
18:52 < Mercster> not every day we get legal 0-day UFC for freeeeeee
18:54 <@sdodson> He's an interesting guy. Graduated with a degree in Islam, went to Egypt to teach English, and now he's using those skills as a business analyst for us.
18:55 < Mercster> degree in islam?
18:56 < Mercster> islamic studies or something
18:56 <@sdodson> Ya, I guess, I dunno.
19:10 <@sdodson> meh, logging into windows 7 takes forevz
19:10 <@CRasH180> that is shocking
19:13 <@sdodson> It boots in like 2 nanoseconds.
19:18 < Mercster> ill boot you in 2 nanoseconds alright
19:18  * Mercster shakes his fist
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20:43 <@devoid> hi
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20:58 <@sdodson> WTF, I went from a completely current version of wow to 3.0 by installing lich king.
20:59  * sdodson patches bullshit
21:01 <@Dagmar> I fail to see how this could have possibly been unexpected.
21:02 <@Dagmar> You _installed_ 3.0.
21:02 <@Evilpig> cause ther eis a 3.0 with the BC content
21:03 <@Evilpig> in case you forgot we were running 3.0 a few weeks before wrath was released
21:03 <@sdodson> the patches should just contain everything, this is lame.
21:03 <@sdodson> Iwasn't playing with lich king came out
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21:05 <@sdodson> http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs069.snc3/13662_1146200702601_1455044187_30353051_5035728_n.jpg
21:05 <@sdodson> the leaves make it look like there's a massive fireball behind him.
21:06 < Mercster> sdodson: he set that shit, and dont look at him funny or you're next
21:06 <@sdodson> Mercster: exactly
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21:17 < Mercster> lp on fire
21:17 < printeronfire> oh whoops
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21:17 <@devoid> there
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21:22 < Mercster> here we go again
21:22 < printeronfire> hmmmm
21:22 < printeronfire> well
21:22 < printeronfire> i've learned my lesson
21:22 < Mercster> didnt we just figure this out
21:22 < Mercster> :)
21:22 < printeronfire> 2 1400 watt heaters on the same circuit
21:22 < printeronfire> is trouble
21:22 < ware> lol
21:22 < printeronfire> and will blow circuit breakers
21:22 <@opticron> yeahhh....
21:22 < printeronfire> so yeah
21:23 <@opticron> that's generally the cae
21:23 < printeronfire> don't do that kids
21:23 <@opticron> *case
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21:33 <@sdodson> why are you running electric heaters?
21:34 <@devoid> because it's cold
21:34 <@sdodson> lol, that'll blow a 20A circuit
21:34 <@devoid> and the vents in out house suck ass
21:34 <@sdodson> devoid: then turn on the heat
21:34 <@sdodson> burn it down
21:34 <@devoid> the upstairs vents are right angles
21:34 <@sdodson> you'll look like this guy http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs069.snc3/13662_1146200702601_1455044187_30353051_5035728_n.jpg
21:34 <@devoid> like from downstairs to upstairs
21:35 < ware> lol
22:21 < Mercster> that kid's so gangsta
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22:35 < Mercster> SNL
22:37 <@sdodson> more snl
22:37 <@sdodson> i keep forgetting, oh i guess that's because snl generally sucks
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22:40 < Mercster> wow, this is fresh...do you feel like you're going out on a little bit of a limb here?  SNL sucks?
22:40 < Mercster> noone ever says that
22:40 <@sdodson> snl srsly sucked
22:42 < Mercster> ya know what, in the early 80s, everyone said SNL sucked and it was good in the 70s. in the late 80s, everyone said SNL sucked and...well, it was good in the 70s. in the 90s everyone said SNl sucked, but it was good in the 80s...for the last decade, everyone has said SNL sucks way harder than it did in the 90s
22:42 < Mercster> and now here you are
22:42 < Mercster> with this radical new theory
22:42 < Mercster> SNL sucks
22:43 < Mercster> the thing about SNL is as painful is it is to watch, at least once every week, noone remembers the bad shit, and everyone remembers the good shit
22:43 < Mercster> and ive been watching since i was a tiny kid
22:43 < Mercster> so im just gonna keep watching it
22:43 < Mercster> AND YOU CANT HURT ME ANYMORE
22:43 <@sdodson> shut up
22:43 <@sdodson> just please stfu
22:44 < Mercster> good timing with that "stfu" after i was obviously through owning you
22:44 < Mercster> yer firing on all cylinders tonight
22:46 <@sdodson> No, I just don't like the way you think, it's very annoying to hear expressed in words so I'd like for you to stfu.
22:46 < Mercster> yea envy's a bitch
22:46  * Mercster slaps sdodson on the back
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22:52 < Mercster> sdodson: you're missing a hilarious fart joke skit
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