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08:31  * opticron pokes Corydon76-dig 
08:31 <@Corydon76-dig> Morning, I-MOD
08:33 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
08:48 <@Evilpig>  /headdesk
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10:06 < daswork_> IT Administrator at a small company:  "How could I block websites on our system?"  Me:  "Your 2003 SBS server handles DNS, right?  Just set up invalid DNS entries for the sites you want to block and that should prevent most of your users from accessing those websites."  IT admin:  "How do I do that?"
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10:06  * daswork sighs.
10:07 <@Corydon76-dig> Doesn't the final S in SBS stand for "Server"?
10:08 <@Corydon76-dig> daswork: just remember, if all IT admins were competant, you wouldn't have a job.
10:12 < daswork> Corydon76-dig: I remind myself of that daily.
10:12 < daswork> In a way, I should be praising those "Get Microsoft Certified in 6 months!" places.
10:15 < ware> Corydon76-dig: small business server
10:15 < ware> daswork: U R CONFUSING TEH INTARNET!
10:15 <@Corydon76-dig> ware: so "SBS Server" is redundant like "ATM Machine" and "PIN Number"
10:15 < ware> he is not an Administrator
10:15 < ware> yep
10:16 < ware> daswork: hes an imposter.
10:16 < ware> tell him about the wonders of Unified Threat Management!
10:17 < ware> any decent firewall in the last 2-3 years is capabale!
10:17 < ware> UTM! BUZZZZZZZZZWERD
10:18 < ware> think that would be a good next step for me
10:18 < ware> administrator of a sole largish place
10:18 < ware> but i dunno if someone would trust a 24yr old even if i do have 6 yrs in this career
10:19 < ware> what do you think Corydon76-dig ?
10:19 < ware> a business doing a million in gross profits trusting the IT infrastructure to a 24yr old
10:20 < ware> i can dig t
10:20 <@Corydon76-dig> ware: I think your ADHD would cause you to get bored in such a place
10:22 < ware> good point
10:22 <@Corydon76-dig> not to mention that heading a department at a largish company is more about politics than technical ability
10:22 < ware> i like the consulting gig i had cause id be working with 4-5 different enviroments / companys a day sometimes
10:23 < ware> was just going thru personal crap that i left overtake my professional life
10:24 <@Corydon76-dig> Yeah, consulting is a good fit for you
10:25 < ware> err let*
10:25 < ware> having a bunch of my own small / medium clients would be awesome too
10:25 < ware> ive got a client that is a group of lawyers that middleman between hospitals and insurance companies
10:26 < ware> and they started with 3 employees and now are up to 11
10:26 <@Corydon76-dig> Now what you could also be is a member of an IT team at a fairly large company, like a Nissan.
10:26 < ware> that was a little bigger than i was thinking
10:26 < ware> but it would bring its own very useful experience
10:26 <@Corydon76-dig> As long as what you're doing is switching out tasks on a fairly often basis
10:26 < ware> corporate domains is not something i would prefer to get involved in just yet tho
10:27 < ware> theyve got AD replicating all across the world
10:27 <@Corydon76-dig> You need a company large enough that you don't get stuck for months on a project you don't like
10:27 < ware> and apps that do the same commute im sure
10:27 < ware> true
10:44 <@Dementia> Corydon76-dig: got time for a regex question?
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12:45 < eryc> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/11/hooksafe_rootkit_protection/
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13:55 <@mtown_nerd> Anyone know of any good books or other lit on implementing PKI in a med- to large-size enterprise environment?
13:56 < eryc> PKI for Dummies
13:56 < eryc> or
13:56 < eryc> The Ultimate PKI Bible
13:56 <@mtown_nerd> :o
13:56 < ware> Pubic Key Infrastructurez
13:56 < eryc> or PKI in 21 Days
13:57 <@mtown_nerd> I don't trust that point-haired, triangle-faced MFer!  The other I will look into
13:57 < eryc> k
13:57 <@mtown_nerd> Thanks :)
13:57 <@mtown_nerd> Trying to get a grasp of what such a beast as PKI actually looks like.  -_-
13:57 < eryc> lemme know if any of those actually exist
13:57 <@mtown_nerd> I don't think ANY of the palces I've ever worked has ever used it.
13:57 <@mtown_nerd> For all the talk of Kerberos in the MS documentation, I don't think I've ever seen it in place....
13:57 <@mtown_nerd> Oh
13:57 <@mtown_nerd> :{
13:58 < eryc> <- asshole
13:58 < coil> ban him
13:58 < coil> !!!
13:59 <@Dagmar> That's because it's not Kerberos
13:59 <@Dagmar> It's an abomination that looks like Kerberos
14:00 < eryc> see http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=00/05/02/158204
14:02 <@mtown_nerd> Dagmar: Asplain plz :x
14:02 <@mtown_nerd> You're referring to NTLM?
14:03 <@Dagmar> Somfin' like that
14:04 <@Dagmar> You can't get AD functionality through Kerberos unless an AD server is running the show
14:04 <@Dagmar> This is because there's been proprietary mechanisms added to the "Kerberos" functionality of AD
14:04 <@Dagmar> These mechanisms can not be replicated in any Kerberos server, due to their proprietary nature.
14:05 <@Dagmar> This is in direct violation of the kerberos spec, and therefore their support is not actually Kerberos.
14:05 <@Dagmar> This makes Microsoft a bucnh of sodomites, but I think we already knew that.
14:07 < eryc> thats basically what that slashdot link says
14:13 <@Dagmar> Well, they can't be wrong as often as idiots claim you know
14:22 <@mtown_nerd> Interesting
14:22 <@mtown_nerd> That makes sense, given the disparity in what I knew about "Kerberos" in the traditional sense, and "Kerberos" in MS's documentation
14:22 <@mtown_nerd> I always just figured I was missing something... and that ws actually one of the reasons that I was looking for literature on it
14:22 <@mtown_nerd> lol
14:22 <@Dagmar> Yeah we were bitching about it before tehy even released AD when they announced "Kerberos support*" with the asterisk next to it
14:23 <@mtown_nerd> lol
14:23 <@mtown_nerd> Huray, MS!
14:23 <@Dagmar> They were called out on it in public a few times, but no one had the spare money lying around to sue them to injunct against even calling it Kerberos
14:24 <@Dagmar> So like, if you needed proof that Microsoft doesn't really give a shit about standards beyond what they can use to get people to buy their product and never be able to migrate away from it, there's an excellent example
14:24 <@mtown_nerd> Lol
14:24 <@mtown_nerd> From TechNet article on Kerberos Authentication:
14:24 <@mtown_nerd> Interoperability.
14:24 <@mtown_nerd> Microsoft.s implementation of the Kerberos V5 protocol is based on standards-track specifications that are recommended to the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF). As a result, the implementation of the Kerberos V5 protocol in Windows Server 2003 lays a foundation for interoperability with other networks in which the Kerberos V5 protocol is used for authentication.
14:24 <@mtown_nerd> Which...  given the new context in which I'm readingi t, makes me Lol in my chair.
14:25 < eryc> "based on" ... "lays a foundation"
14:26 <@mtown_nerd> Heh
14:26 <@mtown_nerd> Yeah
14:26 <@mtown_nerd> So frustrating
14:26 <@Dagmar> It
14:26 <@Dagmar> It's just a load of lies
14:27 <@mtown_nerd> But, at any rate, we're not dealing with any existing, 3rd party implementations...it's all NTLM here, and we're in Healthcare.  USB and general data security is becoming a hot issue, and I'm trying to put something together to say "We need to start [here]."
14:27 <@mtown_nerd> *are becoming...
14:28 < eryc> can't you disable thumbdrive support
14:29 <@mtown_nerd> Yes, but it's not that easy... simply turning off isn't an option, since the NAND flash medium as a whole is the new "de facto" standard of sneaker-net'ing data around
14:30 <@mtown_nerd> In most cases, it should be disabled, but we have enough Dr.'s and clinicians that legitimately need that kind of mobility as they work to keep us from making it a blanket policy.
14:31 < eryc> i dont think they legitimately need mobile data
14:31 < eryc> i think you need better network and service infrastructure
14:31 <@mtown_nerd> But honeslty, we don't even have our client OS secuirty under control.  AutoRun is still enabled, admin shares still wide open, zero machine authentication, very basic (NTLM) user authentication, and no central means of encrypting/monitoring data
14:32 <@mtown_nerd> Lol  Eryc...    you are dead on.  That point, however, falls on deaf ears.
14:32 <@mtown_nerd> Mainly because the amount of updating we'd need to do would require more money and "bandwidth" than we currently have.  According to anyone you ask here ,anyway.
14:32 <@mtown_nerd> We need content management so bad, I can't explain it.  lol
14:33 <@mtown_nerd> But even barring that, there's a lot of tech built into our existing MS environment we *could* be using but aren't.
14:33 < eryc> how much is that lawsuit going to cost when you lose a thumbdrive with medical, insurance, and ssn data
14:33 <@mtown_nerd> EFS, Kerberos, IPSec policies, etc.
14:33 <@mtown_nerd> eryc, a lot...   one of the main reasons why I'm trying to find literature on all this now is because our boss is about to start throwing $$ at vendors to "just fix it"
14:34 <@mtown_nerd> And I'm completely untrusting of vendors at this point.  lol
14:34 < coil> hey guys im setting up a hosting company, heres my current servers http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/1289/img0009f.jpg
14:34 <@mtown_nerd> Unfortunately, vendors rule this organization.  :(
14:34 < eryc> vendors will not help you
14:34 < eryc> they will take your money and leave everything broken
14:34 <@mtown_nerd> Oh, sure they will...for a sizable fee...and not necessarily to any sepcification that *you* provided.
14:35 <@mtown_nerd> heh
14:35 < eryc> they will make you feel better temporarily
14:35 < eryc> and then terrible after they leave
14:36 <@mtown_nerd> We had some vendors install Altiris as our ticketing/asset management/software and patch deployment/world peace producing/ruby slippers-clicking solution for us..  1.5yrs later, the ticket system still isn't even built.  ;[
14:36 < eryc> i can install RT for you in an hour
14:37 <@mtown_nerd> lol
14:37 <@mtown_nerd> Probably
14:38 <@mtown_nerd> Anyway...  thanks for the info.  Going to keep reading.  :)
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17:36 <@sasquatc4> hmm, guess google is hurtin for people, called out of the blue
17:37 <@Dagmar> Not hurting... on an epic hiring spree
17:37 <@Dagmar> Don't expect them to pay much tho
17:37 <@Dagmar> Those days are gone
17:37 <@Drag0n> tell em to open a datacenter in dallas
17:37 <@sasquatc4> yah, thats why i said im not interested now, but they said they do have openings in boulder, which they didnt before
17:37 <@Dagmar> By the way, Dollhouse has been cancelled.
17:38 < fie> http://twitpic.com/noj3z :>
17:39 <@[1NF0]> awe... what a cute pussy
17:39 <@[1NF0]> er, bunny
17:39 <@[1NF0]> damnit... a colleague told me about a hot lesbian encounder she had a couple weeks back... couldn't think straight at all today
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17:43 <@[1NF0]> fie fi fo fum
17:43 <@[1NF0]> I'm tired
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17:45 <@Catonic> strange things afoot.
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17:48 <@nachoguy> Dagmar, They cancelled Dollhouse?
17:48 <@nachoguy> are they going to let them finish the season?
17:49 <@Dagmar> Yes
17:49 <@Dagmar> afaik
17:49 <@Dagmar> It's what was reported
17:50 <@nachoguy> ah, yeah, found that now
17:51 <@nachoguy> I wonder if syfy would pick it up
17:52 <@Dagmar> No, clearly wrestling is making them too much money
17:52 <@nachoguy> looks like they haven't filmed it all yet, so they'll be giving it an ending
17:52 <@nachoguy> that's kinda nice
17:52 <@nachoguy> beats just shooting it in hte head and throwing the corpse out
17:53 <@[1NF0]> hey coil, that looks really really /really/ damned familiar ;)
17:54 <@[1NF0]> the same dell, the same brand patch panel, same mounting technique, same linksys routers, same power strips, even the same steel shelving units was my first "lab" ;)
17:54 <@Corydon76-dig> http://www.astricon.net/2009/astricon/presentation/digium-1/Index.htm SFW
17:55 <@[1NF0]> http://cdn.okcimg.com/php/load_okc_image.php/images/16/150x150/558x800/65535x65535/65535x65535/0/15218982056843926652.jpeg
17:55 <@[1NF0]> is about all I have left from that
17:56 <@Dagmar> nifty
17:57 <@[1NF0]> It scares me how many commonalities it has with coil's link
17:57 <@[1NF0]> (03:36:11 PM) coil: hey guys im setting up a hosting company, heres my current servers http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/1289/img0009f.jpg
17:57 <@[1NF0]> I mean, seriously... same exact patch panel
17:58 < coil> hahah i was joking
17:58 <@[1NF0]> heh... but still, was that your stuff? because, if it was, I need to go drink wildly
17:59 < coil> why drink
17:59 <@[1NF0]> because there's no way I can tolerate having this much in common with you ;)
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18:01 < eryc> look at me i can haz odbc!
18:02 <@[1NF0]> 1990 called, they want their data connectivity back
18:03 <@Corydon76-dig> eryc: I can say I'm known by several thousand people for my work with ODBC.  Can you say something similar?
18:03 < eryc> i can say this ranks among the least entertaining and informative powerpoints i've experienced
18:04 <@Corydon76-dig> Entertaining wasn't my objective
18:04 < eryc> organized would suffice
18:04 <@Corydon76-dig> It's very organized
18:04 <@Dagmar> Shirik: I would have thought the rest of the world would have gotten the message that Christian death metal doesn't work
18:04 < eryc> where are the diagrams
18:04 <@Corydon76-dig> Pft, who needs diagrams?
18:05 < eryc> people that dont want to listen or read bullet points
18:05 < eryc> like me
18:05 <@Corydon76-dig> I'm talking about configuration files that are familiar to the audience, who are all immersed in the Asterisk world
18:05 <@Dagmar> Like management
18:05 < eryc> ok
18:06 <@Dagmar> You should pillage some bits from http://graphjam.com/2009/11/10/song-chart-memes-headphone-paradox/
18:06 <@Corydon76-dig> It's a highly technical presentation
18:07 < eryc> generally people don't read bullet points anymore and actually attempt to create a presentation
18:07 <@Corydon76-dig> Yeah, sorry, I'm not writing a presentation for sales or marketing droids
18:07 <@Corydon76-dig> Not my thing
18:08 < eryc> not my point either
18:08 <@Corydon76-dig> eryc: What are you known for?
18:08 < Merc0> rofl
18:09 < eryc> you've distilled this information into tiny bullets that are meaningless by themselves, then mumbled descriptions or random anecdotes for each as you read the screen to queue the next bullet
18:09 < eryc> thats not really a good way to present information
18:09 < eryc> these slides have a ton of wasted space
18:10 < eryc> next time use it and have a coherent plan to espouse each point you want to make
18:10 <@Corydon76-dig> aka whitespace
18:11 < eryc> good job on odbc
18:11 <@Corydon76-dig> Besides, the point of the presentation was to get an all-expenses paid trip to Phoenix and spend 3 days with people who consider me a celebrity in the Asterisk world
18:12 <@Corydon76-dig> Additionally, I got good marks from people who were at the presentation, questions afterwards that didn't have me repeating content, and I had a good time.
18:13 <@Corydon76-dig> So the presentation accomplished its intent.
18:13 < eryc> cool beans
18:14 < eryc> were you in Scottsdale?
18:14 <@Corydon76-dig> No, Glendale
18:15 < ware> eryc: dont be a noob =/
18:16 < eryc> i'm not
18:16 < eryc> asterisk is a noob
18:16 < ware> ed zachary
18:17 < eryc> HP to buy 3Com for $3.1 billion
18:20 <@Dagmar> Which means that HP will now own Linksys
18:20 <@Dagmar> Joy
18:23 <@Dagmar> http://gizmodo.com/5400338/video-hacked-roombas-used-to-play-pac%20man-finally
18:24 < fie2> So the other day I was talking with this dude and he showed me this project that he said he was part of and then when I started asking him about it he was like "oh well my friend is doing the programming, i'm just the hardware guy"
18:24 < eryc> Cisco owns Linksys
18:24 < fie2> I face palmed.
18:27 < ware> odd
18:27 <@Dagmar> eryc: Wait six months.
18:28 < ware> what   happens then?
18:33 < fie2> mmmmmmmmmmdpv
18:33 < fie2> delicious
18:33 <@Corydon76-dig> Dagmar: any idea the story behind this "Cane Ridge" bullshit?  I'm having to correct addresses now from systems that "updated" their addresses.
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18:34 <@ShadowHntr> am looking for a ride home from the art institute
18:34 <@ShadowHntr> can pay gas money in cash tomorrow morning
18:34 <@ShadowHntr> any takers?
18:35 < fie2> ShadowHntr, I'm on the other side of arkansas right now. I'll go if you got the money though.
18:35 <@ShadowHntr> not until tomorrow
18:35 <@ShadowHntr> and i can only spare 10-20
18:35 <@ShadowHntr> appreciated though
18:38 < coil> http://www.wimp.com/hackedroombas/ fucking awesome
18:46 <@Dagmar> We should be allowed to kill people who claim they have been working on a trivial problem for "days"
18:47 <@Corydon76-dig> Dagmar: misclassified report?
18:48 <@Dagmar> No, just another fucking lamer who thinks I'm going to believe he's done anything but sit with his thumb up his ass for days when he can't run a simple database repair
18:48 <@Corydon76-dig> I'm familiar with reports that submit a one-line patch and call it trivial, even though that patch majorly breaks architecture and needs to be reformulated before it can be committed
18:48 <@Dagmar> There's fucking THOUSANDS of fucking webpages that tell how to repair mysql databases
18:48 <@Dagmar> Up to and including hte goddamn mythtv wiki
18:49 < ware> yeah!
18:49 < ware> MythTV, FUCK YEAH!
18:49 <@Dagmar> I told the fucker he should get an adult to help him
18:49 <@Corydon76-dig> Dagmar: assuming it's one of the expected errors, sure.  But I've worked on (crashed) databases where the established command structure was unable to repair the tables
18:50 < ware> Corydon76-dig: that never happens
18:50 <@Dagmar> This dude knew only about mysqlcheck
18:50 <@Dagmar> ...and the table that was broken is the one for mythweather, so basically, you can fucking delete the thing and the problem goes away
18:50 <@Corydon76-dig> In which case, you get to do some fairly hairy operations to recover data, assuming you don't have a backup to which you can restore
18:50 <@Dagmar> Whether or not it holds zeroes doesn't mean shit to mysql
18:51 <@Dagmar> You and I both know there's multiple tools for fixing mysql, and generally at least two of them are mentioned on any page about repairing mysql databases
18:51 <@Corydon76-dig> Dagmar: knowing mysqlcheck doesn't necessarily mean he knows iteration in Shell
18:51 <@Dagmar> Or how to read.
18:51 <@Dagmar> Given the arguments to mysql he cited, he doesn't "know" mysqlcheck
18:51 <@Corydon76-dig> for i in *.MYI; do ... ; done
18:52 <@Dagmar> He typed some shit into Google, picked a page at random, cut and pasted what he saw, and then decided it was too hard
18:52 <@Corydon76-dig> Heh
18:52 <@Dagmar> So fuck him for lying to me about spending days on it
18:52 < ware> agreed
18:52 < ware> Dagmar: i will let you in on a secret
18:53 < ware> i have an irssi addon that will allow you to stab people over irc!
18:53 <@Dagmar> If that were possible we'd have worked out how to do it back in the 90's.
18:54 <@Dagmar> ...and there'd have been a lot more than just klines being handed out on EFnet
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19:08 <@ShadowHntr> anyone in the donelson area available to give me and my bro a ride home to mufreesboro?
19:08 < eryc> i wish i was in tijuana
19:08 <@ShadowHntr> we're stuck at the art institute
19:09 < eryc> eating barbecued iguana
19:09 <@ShadowHntr> i'm on a mexican radio
19:09 <@ShadowHntr> :)
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19:46 <@sdodson> sup bro?
19:47 <@sdodson> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6g21E217F5s Those are my servers making teh noise in the beginning of the video!
19:52 < coil> zomefggg
19:52 <@sdodson> coil: IM A STAR!
19:52 < coil> NO
19:52 <@sdodson> coil: you all rained on and shit?
19:53 < coil> no
19:53 < coil> i didn't hear any servers in the beginnnging either
19:57 <@sdodson> coil: oh well, did you watch the video?!
19:58 < coil> ya
19:59 <@sdodson> good, it was really a bait and switch
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20:04 < coil> ?
20:04 < coil> i feel indifferent about it
20:04 < coil> so it didn't really bait me
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20:43 < xtort-> I love wings.
20:43 < xtort-> that is all.
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21:15 <@sdodson> Corydon76-dig: hi
21:15 <@sdodson> What stupid ass mistake am I making? http://pastebin.com/m59eb8274
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21:20 < ware> http://www.themirt.com/
21:31 < coil> highly illegal
21:33 < ware> do it work tho
21:33 < coil> only if the light has the sensor equiped
21:34 < xtort-> i've seen it work
21:34 < xtort-> yeah
21:34 < xtort-> around here they only have those sensors around firehouses
21:34 < coil> ya
21:34 < coil> only major intersections
21:38 < ware> if its IR couldnt someone homebrew it
21:39 <@[1NF0]> it's basically a strobe light with an IR bulb... it's fairly easy to homebrew
21:40 < coil> still highly illegal and tens of thousands of dollars of fines if you get busted with one.
21:40 <@[1NF0]> tens of thousands, eh?
21:40 < xtort-> some have specific patterns they have to broadcast
21:40 < coil> last i heard yeah
21:40 < xtort-> i don't know that they are illegal here in IN
21:40 <@[1NF0]> I remember reading somewhere about putting a filter on and a resistor in a normal strobe light
21:40 < coil> im sure its diff for every state but its still illegal
21:41 <@[1NF0]> it could be "impersonating an officer" or something similar to that... a /bit/ of a stretch, but not much
21:41 <@[1NF0]> I mean, if there wasn't a law specifically forbidding them
21:42 < coil> David, the sensors don't detect strobe lights per se. They detect an infrared pattern tuned to the appropriate frequency. The infrared strobe usually emits visible light, or it can emit infrared light only (invisible to the eye), but either way, the sensor ultimately detects the infrared pattern.
21:42 < coil> A squad needs that specifically tuned strobe in order to change lights. Any old strobe won't do.
21:43 <@[1NF0]> David?
21:43 < coil> In Indiana they have to be approved & programmed by the Dept. of Tranportation. They program in an ID number that is linked to the dept that is using it, car #, unit#, etc... When approaching the intersection Sig 10 (Emergency Run) an infrared device reads the emitter and logs the ID number into their system. Once the emitter is read a flood light thing will come on that is mounted above the traffic lights to let the emergency vehicle know the lights will b
21:43 < coil> just reading a website
21:43 <@[1NF0]> interesting
21:43 < coil> so yeah i wouldn't waste my money
21:44 < coil> but whatever
21:44 < xtort-> i can attest to that being bullshit
21:44 < coil> a 3 minute light is too long to wait at apparently
21:44 < xtort-> there's no way the thing is specific to the vehicle it is attached to
21:44 < xtort-> and logs
21:44 < coil> oh ok
21:45 < xtort-> i've been inside the control boxes for streetlights, they really aren't that complicated
21:45 < coil> now they got cameras on them too
21:46 < coil> im sure theres a lil bit more wiring to them
21:46 < xtort-> yeah, for stuff like that
21:46 <@[1NF0]> it's basically a stainless steel 19" rack, isn't it?
21:46 <@Dagmar> THey're mainly just REALLY heavy duty shit inside them
21:47 <@[1NF0]> I remember NYS auctioning off some traffic light controllers that looked like 1u rackmount things
21:47 < xtort-> not the ones i've seen... they have a control box that's about a foot by a foot, the rest is wiring hookups
21:47 <@Dagmar> Components that look like they should have Flintstone's-esque stone pieces and animals nesting
21:47 < xtort-> but that's just in indianapolis, who knows how they do shit elsewhere
21:47 <@[1NF0]> there's surely about a dozen "standards"
21:47 < ware> Dagmar: yal hiring any negroes in the NOC
21:48 < ware> yall*
21:48 <@Dagmar> No thanks, I'd rather not do any HR visits
21:48 < ware> i behave at work
21:49 <@[1NF0]> if you can tolerate Atl, we're always wanting advanced Perl and mid-C developers... always
21:49 < ware> im not a super coder
21:49 <@[1NF0]> cripple negros welcome ;)
21:50 < ware> primarily windows network admin but i can learn everything fairly quickly
21:50 < ware> s/every/any/
21:50 <@Dagmar> Welll....
21:50 <@Dagmar> If you can master Exchange we're liable to have some openings here soon
21:50 <@Dagmar> ...at the rate things are going.
21:51 <@Dagmar> Me... I think you can't stack money high enough for me to get involved in Exchane.
21:51 <@Dagmar> s/hane/hange/;
21:51 < ware> i like it til it corrupts lol
21:51 <@[1NF0]> if you're a CCNA, I know another guy hiring a network analyst (iirc)... they make slot machines
21:51 < ware> i was out drinking with dole and the email dude was there
21:52 < ware> he seemed to know what was up
21:54 < xtort-> dagmar: smart
22:09 <@sdodson> Exhange it AWESOME
22:09 <@sdodson> I have tons of exchange servers
22:18 <@Dagmar> Why?
22:18 <@Dagmar> Because the moment you invoke "Exchange" you NEED tons of them to handle the load
22:19 <@[1NF0]> because nobody else wants them! ;)
22:19 <@Dagmar> lol
22:21 <@sdodson> no i just have two for testing
22:22 <@sdodson> evo haxors love me
22:24 <@sdodson> Wow, I could have sworn Owl City has the guy from Death Cab for Cutie in it
22:25 <@sdodson> Or rather, the Owl City guy was the DCfC front man.
22:29  * ware gives sdodson an emo sticker
22:29 < xtort-> he deserves 2 stickers
22:29 <@[1NF0]> emopasties!
22:30 <@sdodson> ware: you like me?!?!? [ ]Yes [ }No
22:30 < xtort-> i never minded emos until they took over an industrial club i used to go to
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22:32 <@sdodson> lol, industrial
22:33 <@Dagmar> Like you leave the house
22:34 < xtort-> i do! i go to industrial events here in indy, and in champaign il, chicago il, cincinnatti oh, and dayton oh
22:34 < xtort-> not so much now that its winter and too cold to take the motorcycle anywhere
22:34 < ware> sdodson: [x]Yes [ ]No
22:34 <@Dagmar> I won't say they're taking over here, but there's definitely more goths than industrialists
22:34 < xtort-> oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhh
22:35 < xtort-> yeah, that happens, and the goths are less annoying than the emos the way i see it
22:35 <@sdodson> Dagmar: me?
22:35 <@Dagmar> At least the people running goth night have definitely figured out that while there might be a sad little cadre of regulars who come out for the placid goth stuff, there's a lot more people who will come out if there's some angry industrial being played
22:35 < xtort-> i don't terribly mind them... and with as small of a scene as indy has, everyone kinda has to mix
22:35 <@Dagmar> Attendance runs to triple normal when Flip is in town
22:35 <@Dagmar> He plays angry, hateful, spite filled music
22:36 < xtort-> where's this at?
22:36 <@Dagmar> Nashville
22:36 < xtort-> ah
22:36 <@sdodson> I went to some angry show in nashville across from the Exit In or whatever
22:36 <@sdodson> fucking charged me $16 to get in and there was only one song left
22:36 < xtort-> i was at a memphis goth night once when we were down in tunica gambling
22:36 <@Dagmar> The End is almost the runtiest place in town
22:36 <@sdodson> and it wasn't what i was trying to go to
22:36 < xtort-> heh
22:36 <@Dagmar> It's definitely the most tore up on the inside
22:37 <@sdodson> I think I was the only person not wearing black t-shirt and black eye liner
22:37 < xtort-> yeah, goth/industrial stuff usually gets relegated to the nasty places... here in indy we have a place thats in the straight-up ghetto
22:37 <@[1NF0]> what color eye liner /were/ you wearing?
22:37 <@Dagmar> xtort-: Goth night is now being held at a place called Mai
22:37 <@sdodson> I was wearing like a baseball cap and a button down shirt
22:37 <@Dagmar> If they didn't have a back room that had bare brick walls, it would be a completely wrong spot
22:38 <@Dagmar> The front area frequently borders on "well lit"
22:38 <@Dagmar> ...almost "yuppie"
22:38 < xtort-> ouch
22:38 <@Dagmar> Thankfully there's still enough brushed steel around to make up for it
22:38 <@sdodson> Steve Jobs rolls there?
22:39 <@Dagmar> Steel, not aluminum
22:39 < xtort-> when i moved to indianapolis in 2001 we had a great scene here... it has tapered down to almost nothing since then
22:40 <@sdodson> actually i have no idea what industrial is, what's a good example?
22:40 < xtort-> nine inch nails. but not popular
22:41 < xtort-> if its popular, then the artist has "sold out" and is no longer valid
22:42 <@sdodson> heh
22:43 < xtort-> if you want some real examples, look at e-craft, kmfdm, apoptygma berzerk, vnv nation
22:43 < ware> pee pee doo doo
22:43 < xtort-> are you still gimped, ware?
22:43 < ware> aye, i am
22:44 < xtort-> how much longer?
22:44 < ware> had surgery this monday and doc reopened the incision near my leg and removed a screw
22:44 < coil> i saw vnv nation live
22:44 < coil> got the t-shirt
22:44 < xtort-> i did too, in cincinantti
22:44 < ware> shortenedmy leg as best he could then made a new incision in my leg
22:44 < coil> ^5 xtort-
22:44 < xtort-> ouch...
22:44 < coil> <3 apb too
22:44 < xtort-> actually, i'm wearing the tshirt right now as we speak
22:44 < ware> and put a new screw through a new hole in my bone that lines up to an oval hole that is in the rod that goes through the middle of my femur bone
22:44 < xtort-> apb, except for the latest album
22:44 < ware> which will allow my leg to compress another 1.4cm but not go past that
22:44 < coil> i agree
22:45 < ware> should be walking without support in 4 weeks
22:45 < xtort-> you have ea rob in the middle of your femur? damn man, you really got fucked up!
22:45 < ware> at least thats what i hope
22:45 < ware> yah rod*
22:45 < xtort-> rod
22:45 < fie2> http://va2600.net/screen/  Ahhhhh Good times
22:45 <@CRasH180> I hope you don't have Rob in the middle of your femur.
22:46 < ware> fie2: lulz
22:46 < ware> fie2: no input
22:47 < fie2> ware, that would be easy to do.
22:47 < fie2> But sorry, no.
22:47 <@cordless> someone need me?
22:47 < xtort-> no
22:48 <@sdodson> no, go away!
22:48 <@sdodson> i feel sick again :(
22:48 <@sdodson> time for bed
22:49 < xtort-> gnite yo
22:50 <@sdodson> "Cougar Night" at a local bar, wtf that's disgusting
22:50 < xtort-> hah!
22:50 < xtort-> i'd go
22:50 < xtort-> i'd scraw a fat old lady
22:50 < xtort-> i'm not proud
22:51 < ware> :P
22:52 < ware> fie2: http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/175983
22:52 < ware> is that you?
22:52 < fie2> Pfft, no way.
22:53 <@sdodson> that's totally fie
22:53 <@sdodson> nice stove bro
22:53 < ware> nice cantelope
22:53 < fie2> sdodson, Yeah it was pretty sweet.
22:53 < fie2> CANTELOPE!
22:53 < fie2> WOOO!
22:54 < fie2> I was 17 there.
22:54 < ware> where did this link come from lol
22:54 < fie2> Or there abouts.
22:54 < fie2> ware, you tell me?
22:54 < fie2> Where did you get it?
22:54 < ware> it was just in my broweser like lol
22:54 < ware> did you hax me!?
22:54 < fie2> nah
22:54 < ware> oh twitter
22:54 < fie2> You're just a drunk.
22:54 < ware> rofl
22:54 < ware> im perc'd out
22:55 < fie2> mdpv
22:55 < ware> percs on my pecs and chicks in my checks
22:55 < fie2> I don't think that makes sense.
22:56 <@sdodson> does it ever end?
22:56 <@sdodson> how old is fie?
22:56 < ware> yah iz dum
22:56 < ware> you can stop it now
22:56 < ware> fie2: i am ware. i dont have to make sense
22:56 < ware> i just make the bitches panties.
22:57 < fie2> I wish I could do that :(
22:58 < ware> you have the power
22:58 < fie2> I got the power!
22:59 < fie2> I need to figure out a cool console app for everyone to be able to control
22:59 < fie2> THIS IS GOING TO BE SWEET
23:00 < ware> duet
23:06 <@sdodson> boring
23:06 <@sdodson> i want a refund
23:07 < Todd_> How about we make out instead?
23:08 <@CRasH180> uummmm
23:08 <@CRasH180> I'm going waaaay over there
23:08 <@CRasH180> see yeah
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23:08 < Todd_> Hey that was kinda funny.
23:10 < fie2> sdodson, weren't you going to bed?
23:10 < fie2> epoxy, will eat your soul
23:11 < fie2> Uppers ftw
23:15 < xtort-> i have a polygraph examination interview tomorrow
23:15 < xtort-> yay
23:15 < xtort-> i get to tell about all the stuff i've stolen
23:15 < Todd_> Geez... Is this for clearance or something?
23:16 < xtort-> yeah
23:16 < xtort-> the voice stress test i took last time was nice... i think this is a actual polygraph though
23:17 < xtort-> voice stress tests are based on how relaxed you are, polygraphs are based on the interviewer trying to get you fired up
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23:19 < xtort-> govt jobs ftl
23:43 <@sdodson> those tests are useless /me think
23:50 < Todd_> Mr. negativity over here.
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