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04:46 <@Shadow404> wow, still no speaker schedule
04:55 < sdodson> Shadow404: ya just like that, good job
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08:35 < sdodson> how's it going?
08:58 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
09:09 <@Dolemite> got to see nachoguy and nachowife yesterday
09:09 <@Dolemite> gave them a tour of the data center
09:09 <@Dolemite> and a stack of my "SQL Injection" bumper stickers
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09:30 < sdodson> Dolemite: OMG SHOW ME YOUR DC!
09:31 <@Dolemite> I'd be happy to schedule a tour for you.
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09:31 <@Shadow404> you have to schedule tours?
09:32 <@Dolemite> I'm a busy person.  If he wants me to show him the data center, he needs to schedule something with me in advance.
09:32 <@Shadow404> heh
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10:59 < rattleXw> I hate verizon so fucking much.
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11:02 <@CRasH180> I like Verizon much better than AT&T
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12:17 < aestetix> wow, october has turned into a clusterfuck
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13:15 < m0j0-j0j01> rattleXw: I hate Verizon too, but polls show them to have the best service so I'm using them for now
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13:15 < sdodson> posted lots of pics
13:15 < sdodson> aestetix: what you up to these days?
13:15 < sdodson> I think anyone is better than AT&T
13:15 <@aestetix> Super busy.
13:16 < sdodson> aestetix: anything intarest'n?
13:16 <@aestetix> At Noisebridge on thursday, we're celebrating the release of Windows 7
13:16 <@aestetix> by giving out copies of Windows 3.11
13:16 < m0j0-j0j01> sdodson: everyone hates at&t, but I'm thinking about switching over anyway so I can get an iphone :/
13:16 < sdodson> i <3 sprint
13:16 < sdodson> i didn't know they had cdma server over here
13:17 <@aestetix> heh
13:17 <@aestetix> what's funny
13:17 <@aestetix> you know the ATT building that the wiretaps happened at?
13:17 < sdodson> aestetix: that's illegal!
13:17 <@Dolemite> Sprint tied w/Verizon for #1 in service
13:17 <@aestetix> that building is a block away from where I work
13:17 <@aestetix> sdodson: actually, that gets interesting
13:18 < sdodson> Apparently Europe is going batshit over pre. Yay pre!
13:18  * unixfg is about to buy two Heros from Sprint
13:18 < sdodson> unixfg: chinless heros!
13:18 <@aestetix> I talked to the EFF about that. It boils down to that it is illegal, but it's also very rarely enforced.
13:18 <@unixfg> :)
13:18 < sdodson> A guy at work has a chinny hero he smuggeld in from .cz
13:18 <@aestetix> Everyone calls it abandonware, but there is no such legal status called "abandonware"
13:18 <@unixfg> sdodson: I really wanted off GSM/ATT/TMO
13:18 < sdodson> It's a sexy solid phone.
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13:19 <@Dagmar> aestetix: I like how they're getting even with us for not buying Vista this time
13:19 <@unixfg> I tried the MyTouch but had HORRIBLE signal
13:19 < sdodson> Abandonware doesn't matter.
13:19 <@aestetix> And apparently there are no case studies regarding it. Which makes it a very wierd gray area
13:19 <@aestetix> sdodson: right, I know.
13:19 < sdodson> Dagmar: how so?
13:19 <@aestetix> abandonware doesn't matter because there is no such thing :)
13:19 <@Dagmar> sdodson: It still appeears that to use an upgrade edition of W7 you have to have a valid Vista licence
13:19 < sdodson> I'd say it makes it black and white area.
13:19 < sdodson> it's always been that way
13:20 <@aestetix> Well, if it's a matter of legal vs illegal, it's black and white
13:20 <@aestetix> But if it's a matter of enforced vs nonenforced.... it's different
13:20 <@unixfg> if a law isn't enforced, is it still a law?
13:20 <@aestetix> Sure, but lots of laws are overlooked and ignored.
13:21 <@aestetix> Also, many laws become obsolete over time, and rather than repeal them, people just forget about them.
13:21 <@aestetix> Which kinda sucks in the poster child cases where they do come back to haunt us.
13:22 <@aestetix> Although the impression I got is that in cases like this, there is so little enforcement that there have been no significant cases, which means there have no been any significant decisions.
13:22 <@aestetix> Rendering it a really bizarre legal gray area.
13:22 < Mercster> i downloaded a 11G archive of old dos games off of usenet
13:22 < sdodson> I don't consider that a legal gray area.
13:22 <@aestetix> I mean, the fact that the copy of Windows 3.11, we literally downloaded off a website we found in a google search in five minutes...
13:23 <@aestetix> sdodson: I don't care what you think. I'm going by what the EFF tells me.
13:23 < Mercster> im evil
13:24 <@aestetix> But either way, it should be fun.
13:24 < sdodson> I finally found out why Windows 2000 isn't available via MSDN.
13:24 <@aestetix> On a side note, Noisebridge also might be getting temporary possession of Deep Crack
13:24 < sdodson> aestetix: I have deep crack, i whipe it daily
13:24 < sdodson> wipe
13:24 <@Dolemite> aestetix : Keep your paws off of my crack
13:24  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
13:24  * Mercster enjoys sdodson's deep crack
13:24 <@aestetix> I missed you so much
13:25 <@aestetix> sdodson: why
13:34 < sdodson> aestetix: Because cleanliness is next to godliness
13:34 < sdodson> godlyness?
13:34 <@aestetix> uh
13:34 <@aestetix> I was asking about the Windows 2000 stuff
13:36 < sdodson> aestetix: Oh, lawsuit with Sun. Windows 2000 had java in it.
13:36 <@aestetix> ohhhh ok
13:38 < m0j0-j0j01> the Sun doesn't shine is sdodson's deep crack.
13:44 < sdodson> Oh look, an article about how the next release of Ubuntu will finally be enterprise ready because of a set of features introduced in Fedora a year ago.
13:48 < Mercster> quit being a racist
13:48 <@Dagmar> more importantly, it had a non-compliant version of "Java" in it.
13:48 <@Dagmar> That was when Microsoft still didn't believe Sun would fucking sue them if they tried to fork their language
13:49 <@Dagmar> Frankly, I think someone should do the same thing with Active Directory and Kerberos, but there's no funded body to do so
13:52 < sdodson> Dagmar: http://freeipa.org ?
13:53 <@Dagmar> What?  They'll sue Microsoft?
13:56 < sdodson> Oh. I wish Ikne the details of LDAP and KRB5 well enough to know if what you're proposing is true or not, but as far as I know AD is just a set of schemas for LDAP.
13:57 <@Dagmar> It's true.
14:04 < sdodson> http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2009-10/ever-wonder-what-every-space-mission-last-50-years-looks-one-map
14:04 < sdodson> I'm not even exactly sure what you're saying.
14:06 < Mercster> (MOON BASE)
14:08 <@Dagmar> AD's Kerberos is not technically kosher to be called Kerberos because they made _non-portable_ extentions to the protocol.
14:08 <@Dagmar> This is why Kerberos servers can report *to* AD servers, but not hte other way around
14:09 <@Dagmar> This sort of thing is explicitly forbidden by the kerberos spec to prevent fragmentary implementations.
14:16 < sdodson> Mercster: can you hear me now?
14:18 <@Drag0n`> microsoft just had the samba devs in to work on samba 4 and AD sync
14:19 < sdodson> ya
14:19 <@Dagmar> Gee... why do I think that's just so they don't have to pay their own people to do anything with it
14:19 < sdodson> they've done a few bakeoffs
14:19 <@Dagmar> You won't be able to replace a master AD with Samba 4
14:19 < Mercster> mmm bake
14:20 <@Drag0n`> because its microsnot
14:20 <@Drag0n`> actualy, they are saying it is the goal to be able to do that, and technically, AD doesnt have a master, just where the fismo roles are located
14:21 <@Drag0n`> thats the real trick, getting samba to act as a fismo master role
14:21 < sdodson> I ever so slightly wish i knew more enterprise MSFT technologies.
14:22 < sdodson> Oh and networking shit
14:22 <@Drag0n`> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Directory
14:22 <@Dagmar> Either way, they're only doing it so that companies will be able to taint their networks with the one AD server they'll never be able to get rid of
14:22 < sdodson> i need to get cracking on rhca first though
14:23 < sdodson> Dagmar: That's status quo though, that's not a change.
14:23 < Mercster> certified asshole?
14:23 < sdodson> Mercster: :(
14:24 < sdodson> Do text messages expire or do they sit on the network forever?
14:24 < Mercster> :)
14:24 <@Drag0n`> <--- certifiable err, certified asshole?   (MCSE+S+M, MCSA+S+M, MCP, RHCE, CCNA) <g>
14:24 <@Drag0n`> sdodson, what type of text messages?
14:24 < sdodson> I'm just trying to figure out if as soon as I get back within the range of sprint's network if i'll have 39382 text messages from my machines "zomg i'm down!"
14:24 <@Drag0n`> cellular?
14:25 < Mercster> sdodson: depends on whether you're on tmobile's sidekick or not
14:25 < Mercster> h0h0h0
14:25 < sdodson> Drag0n`: Ya, SMS
14:25 < sdodson> Mercster:
14:25 < sdodson>  ________ _   _  ____ _
14:25 < sdodson> |__  /_ _| \ | |/ ___| |
14:25 < sdodson>   / / | ||  \| | |  _| |
14:25 < sdodson>  / /_ | || |\  | |_| |_|
14:25 < sdodson> /____|___|_| \_|\____(_)
14:25 < sdodson>                         
14:25 < Mercster> zing!
14:26 <@Drag0n`> ahh, thats ss7 message exchange, if the phone cant send it, it should keep it on the phone or send a send messg, but since sms is carried as data in standard system inter communication, its not reliable
14:27 < m0j0-j0j01> sdodson: so ubuntu is going to come out with a broken package manager?
14:27 <@brimstone> way to go memestreams: http://www.boingboing.net/2009/10/13/eff-comes-to-the-res.html
14:27 < sdodson> m0j0-j0j01: actually, that is one of the features they mention.
14:28 < sdodson> Drag0n`: so it's messages from the network to my phone
14:28 <@Drag0n`> both directions
14:28 <@Drag0n`> http://www.scribd.com/doc/2582325/ss7-sms
14:29 <@Drag0n`> sms uses the overhead space in a standard ss7 protocol packet to send its data, thats the reason its limited in size, the draw back is that the data is not the payload, its just overhead so its not checked for success
14:30 < Mercster> did you know brown is actually a variant of orange
14:31 < sdodson> what can orange' do for you?
14:31 <@Drag0n`> it has a-peel
14:31 < Mercster> ohhhhhhhh boy
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14:37 <@Neoteric> http://twitter.com/#search?q=fakemikesteele <-- bwahahahaa
14:40 < Mercster> Neoteric: yeah, wow, hilarious
14:40  * Mercster stares
14:42 <@Dagmar> That makes no sense at all.
14:42 <@Dagmar> Perhaps you could let us in on WTF that's about
14:43 < Mercster> TIMBALL WILL LET YOU IN ON NOTHING
14:47 <@Dagmar> Oh I see.
14:47 <@Dagmar> It appers that this is all about gop.com being utterly mismanaged and broken
14:47 <@Dagmar> http://www.gop.com/index.php/learn/future_leaders/
14:47 <@Dagmar> skillz
14:48 <@Dagmar> http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/10/the-new-gopcom-crushed-under-weight-of-mockery-dem-says.php
14:48 < sdodson> it's not working now :(
14:48 < Mercster> it seems the problem is "roflol darkies cant be republicans"
14:49 < Mercster> that michael steele guy is kind of a doofus
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14:49 < Mercster> what hint is that?
14:50 <@Shadow404> anywho, so im going to that hacker lab in atlanta today
14:50 <@Shadow404> for the weekly meeting to see what its like
14:50 < sdodson> Shadow404: say hai to curbob
14:50 <@Shadow404> not sure to be nervous or excited
14:50 < sdodson> Shadow404: freeside?
14:50 <@Shadow404> will do, if i see him
14:50 <@Shadow404> yeah
14:50 <@Shadow404> literally 1 min off my route home
14:50 < sdodson> curbob will be there, he lives there
14:50 <@Shadow404> in the facility?
14:52 < sdodson> ya, he sol dhis house and his brand new baby in order to buy it
14:52 < sdodson> Ask him about it
14:52 < Mercster> white babies are worth a fortune
14:52 <@Shadow404> how much did he get for the baby? just keeping that in mind and all
14:52 < sdodson> Shadow404: you pop'n out babies yet?
14:52 <@Shadow404> nope
14:52 <@Shadow404> like i said, keeping that in mind
14:52 < sdodson> Shadow404: Maybe it'll be tall and smart.
14:53 <@Shadow404> how much i could get rid of it for....
14:53 < sdodson> it all depends
14:53 < Mercster> at least $10,000
14:53 < sdodson> goodnight
14:56 < Mercster> good night, sweet prince
15:01 < Mercster> and flights of angels sing thee to thy rest
16:21 <@Neoteric> http://twitter.com/fakemikesteele
16:22 <@Neoteric> oh and let the games begin
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16:24 <@Neoteric> http://www.hammerandsteele.com/?u=www.democrats.org
16:27 <@Dagmar> You realize of course we have no idea why you're citing this URL, right
16:28 < Mercster> when has that ever stopped anyone from typing into irc
16:39 <@Shadow404> www.diaf.com
16:40 <@Shadow404> hehe, seeing the business sign at the sales page just makes me laugh
16:45 <@Neoteric> cause THE GOP HAAZ HAX
16:49 < miniMerc> gopgopgobgobgobg
17:09 <@Dagmar> Neoteric: It's nice that they're willing to give everyone a free web proxy like that
17:25 < rattleXw> This is more like it:  http://www.hammerandsteele.com/?u=www.4chan.org
17:25 <@Dagmar> yay!
17:25 < rattleXw> It fits better with what Steele is saying..
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17:27 < Mercster> jim lehrer, take me away
17:39 <@Dagmar> Neoteric/rattle: Oh, I think you can possibly add Fred Thompson to the list of people carefully backing away from the republican core now
17:41 < rattleXw> Thompson is just done.  He took his shot, and he failed miserably.  He's backing away from politics in general.
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17:42 < Mercster> thats what they said about nixon
17:42 <@Dagmar> I heard him carping about people burning their reputation capital making up things about the health reform bill
17:43 <@Dagmar> I suspect this was a not-so-subtle way of saying "I'm sick of hearing you guys make shit up, I'm out of this"
17:43 < Mercster> The California defeat was highlighted in the November 11, 1962, episode of ABC's Howard K. Smith: News and Comment entitled "The Political Obituary of Richard M. Nixon."
17:44 < Mercster> dot dot dot
17:44 < Mercster> In a three-way race between Nixon, Humphrey, and independent candidate George Wallace, Nixon defeated Humphrey by nearly 500,000 votes to become the 37th President of the United States on November 5, 1968.
17:44 < rattleXw> There is a big difference between Nixon and Thompson..  Nixon lost a nationwide election.  Thompson went down in flames in early primaries.
17:45 < Mercster> yeah there are other differences too
17:45 < Mercster> like one is named "thompson" and the other one was named "nixon"
17:45 < Mercster> i bet their dicks were different lengths too
17:46 < Mercster> point is, dont count someone out before ABC does in a national broadcast
17:46 < Mercster> :)
17:47 < Mercster> (i.e. your point means nothing since nixon lost a nationwide election, and *then* lost a state governorship. i dunno how you can compare the failures)
17:48 < Mercster> (other than you're pretending to be prescient)
17:48 < Mercster> (you arent, nigga!(
17:48 < Mercster> s/\(/\)/g
17:50 < Mercster> i will however accept, on intellecual grounds, that both have equally unlovable faces
17:50 < rattleXw> Nixon was a cunning political operator who assumed the support of no one and plowed down even the slightest opposition.  In the last election, Thompson acted like he just expected everyone to suddenly support him, as if he was somehow entitled to support by default, and he didn't really do shit to get it.
17:50 < rattleXw> It could have been a contender, but instead he was the complete opposite of savvy..  He expected things to go on the national stage like they did on the Tennessee stage.
17:51 < rattleXw> They are simply completely different beasts.
17:51 < Mercster> everyone's a different beast
17:51 < rattleXw> The hunger for power that Nixon had was in a completely different league than Thompson, and I don't see them as comparable.
17:51 < Mercster> all i saw you do was discount someone. all i did was highlight someone who had been largely discounted, rise to become president.
17:51 < Mercster> going into details nulls the point
17:52 < Mercster> obviously you didnt get the point in the first place, since you're going into details :)
17:52 < rattleXw> Whatever.
17:52 < Mercster> ya
17:53 < Mercster> whatever indeed!
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18:02 < m0j0-j0j01> yeah
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18:09 < Mercster> whoa, new Frontline tonight
18:10 < Mercster> its been a few months
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18:48 <@aestetix> Fucking hell.
18:48 <@aestetix> I may miss PhreakNIC because I can't get a flight.
18:49 <@aestetix> It seems to be impossible to get a decent flight anywhere in the US for under $600
18:50 <@rhia> aestetix: what's the price to head to Canada then back?
18:50 <@aestetix> Heh.
18:51 <@rhia> seriously, I have a friend that shaved 300 off a an 800 airfare that way - arrggh
18:51 <@aestetix> Let me rephrase.
18:51 <@aestetix> The money isn't actually the issue here.
18:51 <@aestetix> It's also direct flights anywhere. Are impossible.
18:52 <@rhia> aestetix: and you may have to pass the Wii test
18:52 <@aestetix> The Wii test?
18:52 <@rhia> http://www.itproportal.com/portal/news/article/2009/10/13/nintendos-wii-balance-boards-may-soon-find-use-airport-security/
18:53 <@aestetix> Sweet, I will fail that every time.
18:53  * aestetix has a leg balance issue.
18:53 <@rhia> same here, feet and back issues
18:54 <@rhia> plus, i loathe flying, airports, and crowds, so I will be antsy, off balance, and 'testy'
18:54 <@rhia> not afraid of the plane falling from the sky, i have massive inner ear issues and get motion sick so flying makes me miserable
18:55 <@rhia> and i can't take the dramamine until boarding call or I'll sleep thru loading
18:55 <@aestetix> So really, you need to grow a dick, and have blond hair and blue eyes to pass their tests
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18:56 <@aestetix> So you can be the ideal model American (TM)
18:56 <@rhia> can pass except for the dick part
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18:56 <@rhia> aestetix: yeup
18:57 < Mercster> ...
18:58 < Mercster> what does a dick, blue eyes and blonde hair have to do with not being a fucking spaz
18:58 <@rhia> Mercster: read further up
18:59 < Mercster> ive read everything i need to
18:59 <@rhia> Mercster: aestetix gave a "typical good American" sterotype instance, not a qualifier instance
18:59 < Mercster> k well you have fun with those math problems over there
18:59 <@rhia> Mercster: everything you need to? ahh, teaparty?
18:59 < Mercster> lol @ qualifier instance
19:00 <@rhia> sorry, just - not a good day
19:01 <@rhia> and not up to BS from any front - just, ya know what? i stated my snarky opinion to an online friend in an irc channel - period
19:01  * rhia wanders off for the evening
19:01 < Mercster> k snarkiness noted
19:02 < Mercster> aestetix is the one who typed something super stupid, i dunno why you felt the need to defend it
19:02  * rhia hugs Mercster and goes silent - g'nite folks
19:03 < Mercster> g'night
19:08 < Mercster> ohhhhh im fat
19:08  * Mercster rubs his greazy belly
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