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07:32  * sdodson rattles
07:33  * Corydon76-dig eats rolls
07:33 <@opticron> nom nom nom
07:34 <@sdodson> Corydon76-dig: gay
07:53 < Shadow404> http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/duty_calls.png
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09:04 <@nachoguy> ;5mr0nin
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09:46 <@nachoguy> digium-ites, I have a tough question for you
09:46  * mog thanks he is no longer in cult of digi
09:46 <@nachoguy> not tough as in difficult to answer, but, potentially blasphemous
09:47 <@mog> whats question nachoguy
09:47 <@nachoguy> can anyone give me a rundown of sangoma vs digium hardware (esp quad span cards)
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09:47 <@mog> nachoguy, currently they are almost the same level of quality
09:47 <@nachoguy> back in the day, I'd say the sangoma cards were better, but these days I'd call them fairly even
09:47 <@mog> although in a bit of time i think that will change in digium's favor
09:47 <@mog> id agree nachoguy
09:48 <@nachoguy> yeah?  what's coming down the line?
09:48 <@mog> id still buy digium given that fact given that they support asterisk development
09:48 <@mog> digium updates their firmware more often
09:48 <@mog> i mean both sangoma and digium have had same card for what like 5 years now
09:48 <@mog> digium just is getting better and better through firmware updates
09:49 <@mog> and feel free to take my words with grain of salt, still a digium-ite even if i dont work there no more
09:50 <@Corydon76-dig> mog: we've had the same card for 5 years?
09:50 <@nachoguy> I like supporting asterisk, we run a giant environment, but we have a ton of sangoma cards, and I can't find a good reason to scrap them all and replace them with Digium cards
09:51 <@nachoguy> and I'd like to keep the environ as similar as possible.  Mixing hardware is a pain
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09:52 <@mog> te405 and 410 are like 5+ yrs now
09:52 <@mog> and the new express versions are like same card with one new chip
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09:53 <@mog> i mean ther have been new revs
09:53 <@mog> where we have changed things on board
09:54 <@Corydon76-dig> mog: Oh, I was thinking along the lines of the single span cards or the analog cards
09:54 <@mog> analog and singles are all new designs mostly
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09:54 <@mog> now that tdm400p is dead and gone
09:55 <@brimstone> RIP tdm400p
09:55 <@mog> heh
09:55  * mog pours one down for my homie
09:55 < Shadow404> tdm400p be fronting
09:55 <@mog> brimstone, we should get mrworld to make us a shirt morning tdm400p, s100i, and s100u
09:56 <@mog> and have x100p rising from the ashes
09:56 <@brimstone> ha, alright
09:56 <@brimstone> little tombstones or something
09:56 <@mog> ya
09:57 <@mog> you know the varion guy bought an ass load of tiger jet chips so he can keep making x100ps
09:57 <@brimstone> probably
09:57 <@brimstone> cheap cards
09:57 <@mog> ya still charges 100 bucks fro 3 dollar card
09:57 <@brimstone> that was back in the day where you could take a winmodem, short out some bits and sell it for $100 or so
09:58 <@brimstone> i mean.. make a quality card for a reasonable amount of money
09:58 <@nachoguy> haha
09:59 <@mog> man i should get an s100u working and send it to marko
09:59 <@mog> or leave it on his desk with a phone attached ready to ring
09:59 <@brimstone> update the drivers for 2.6.31 or whatever
09:59 <@mog> bleck
09:59 <@mog> that would be painful
09:59 <@nachoguy> so, anything against sangoma?
09:59 <@brimstone> then why did you suggest it?
09:59 <@mog> last kernel it worked with was like 2.4.7
09:59 <@brimstone> nachoguy: sure, what do you want against sangoma?
10:00 <@nachoguy> what do you have?
10:00 <@mog> nachoguy, the cards are virtually equal now, id say our hw echo can is better but its virtually the same
10:00 <@brimstone> i got "cheating company" "rampant sarcaism" and "blaten propoganda"
10:00 <@nachoguy> wow.  cheating company?
10:01 <@mog> also nachoguy they arent american
10:01 <@brimstone> no, those are just words from the word bank
10:01 <@mog> why do you hate freedom
10:01 <@mog> money you send to canuckastan supports slavery, prostitution and the taliban
10:02 <@brimstone> but not the war on drugs
10:02 <@brimstone> sarcaism needs an i in it
10:03 <@brimstone> oooh, i'm gonna put a funny hat on it, just so it stands out more
10:03 <@brimstone> make a more bold statement
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10:03 <@brimstone> sarcaîsm
10:03 <@mog> funny hats are out matt
10:03 <@mog> funny shoes in
10:04 <@brimstone> sarc?ism?
10:04 < Shadow404> does size 14 count?
10:04 <@brimstone> are they bright red and/or the toe opens up and a little mouse runs out?
10:07 < Shadow404> na, just tennis shoes
10:16 <@brimstone> herm, are you a computer?
10:16 <@brimstone> tennis shoes might be funny then
10:20 <@nachoguy> ok, another Digium card question.  If you have a quad span card, with 4 Ts, are each managed individually with regards to time, or is timing taken from the designted T1 (usually the first) and applied to all?
10:23 < fie_> dicks
10:25 < fall0ut> You'd HOPE that they would have individual clocks per DS1 interface, but like Cisco they probably don't...
10:26 < eryc_> but then again
10:26 < eryc_> you really have no idea do you
10:27 < fall0ut> nachoguy: it doesn't appear they have multiple clocks...
10:27 <@nachoguy> well, Sangoma cards will take the clock source from the first T1 and use it on all T1s, unless you flag one of the spans as a master (like you have a channel bank connected to the second port)
10:27 <@nachoguy> thanks'
10:28 <@nachoguy> but yeah the sangoma will only listed to one external clock source, as far as I can tell
10:28 <@mog> same with digium
10:31 < fie_> dicks
10:31 < fie_> horse dicks
10:31 < fie_> whore sticks
10:31 <@mog> it really isnt a problem in 99.9% of cases...
10:32 < eryc_> whore sticks!
10:32 < eryc_> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/17/opinion/17krugman.html
10:33 <@mog> putting seperate clock for each span would have cost them like 10 dollars
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10:48 <@nachoguy> mog, making a pci card with a clock to be used for internal timing would also cost like $10, but no one does it.
10:48 <@nachoguy> thanks for the help guys
10:48 <@mog> all the cards can provide internal timing nachoguy ?
10:49 <@brimstone> i just plug mine into a metronome with the timing cable
10:49 <@mog> brimstone, that is one fast metronome
10:49 <@nachoguy> mog, sure, you can use a $400 card to provide timing, but if you could buy a $10 pci card, why should you buy the $400?
10:49 <@brimstone> it's a 220v metronome
10:49 <@brimstone> ztdummy4life
10:50 < fall0ut> need some BITS love
10:50 <@mog> oh nachoguy the ztdummy takes timing from usb chip, and was perfect, dadhi_dummy takes timing from kernel tics and isnt to shabby either
10:50 <@nachoguy> ztdummy = fail for dualcore
10:50 <@nachoguy> for whatever reason.  Or at least it used to
10:51 <@nachoguy> yeah, but can you host 50-60 meetme conf on a box with just dadhi_dummy?
10:51 <@mog> dont see why you couldnt
10:51 <@nachoguy> we couldn't sanely get past like 4
10:51 <@nachoguy> with ztdummy that is
10:51  * mog fines that flabergastering 
10:52 <@nachoguy> the call quality was shit, it was unusable
10:52 <@nachoguy> so now we have nice shiny T1 cards in those boxes
10:53 <@mog> huzzah
10:53  * mog doesnt know what to tell you though
10:53 <@nachoguy> yeah, me neither
10:53 <@mog> i have done 30 people on ec2 which is shite
10:53 <@nachoguy> on an ec2 box?
10:54 <@nachoguy> I didn't think that asterisk virtualized well
10:54 <@mog> it doesnt like ec2 thats for sure
10:54 <@mog> as its sw virt
10:54 <@mog> so things are all over the place
10:54 <@mog> hw virt is fine
11:19 < Shadow404> verizon and colt can diaf this morning
11:21 <@nachoguy> colt?
11:21 <@nachoguy> 45?
11:21 < Shadow404> no, its a carrier in the uk
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11:44 < Shadow404> anyone recommened a good off the shelf wireless router?
11:50 < eryc_> Ryobi?
11:50 < Shadow404> haha, i mean wireless internet router
11:50 < Shadow404> anything but linksys
11:51 < Shadow404> and it has to play well with vista
11:51 < eryc_> linksys?
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11:57 < Shadow404> the problem is this, i think im maxing out the ability of my current router "netgear wgr614v6" cause i run a wirless ip camera on it, and it has 12 direct static inbound routes on it
11:58 < Shadow404> and i have to reboot it at least once a week cause it will randomly freeze
11:58 < Shadow404> same thing with an exact same router that i had a spare for
11:58 < Shadow404> so i know its not just a bad device, its the whole model
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12:51 < fall0ut> do what I did, buy a cheap cisco mwr1941 + 3524XL + aironet 1250A/G
12:58 < ware> wrt with dd-wrt
12:58 < ware> all you ever want or need
12:58 < ware> so excited you just peed
12:58 < ware> set it up in 1-2-3
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13:07 <@sdodson> hi
13:08 <@sdodson> ware: TOMATO 4 LIFE!
13:22 <@brimstone> openwrt ftw
13:23 <@brimstone> don't use that sellout of a dd-wrt
13:23 <@Dagmar> For fucks' sake
13:24 <@mog> x-wrt forever
13:24 <@Dagmar> Someone needs to start killing microsoft spinmasters
13:24 <@Dagmar> Just kill them and drop their bodies down a hole someplace
13:24 <@Dagmar> They're starting to cause severe mental retardation in reporters
13:25 <@Dagmar> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/14/ms_zero_day_long_gestation/
13:25 <@Dagmar> IF A BUG HAS BEEN KNOWN ABOUT FOR TWO YEARS, IT'S NOT FUCKING ZERO-DAY ANYMORE
13:38 <@sdodson> Dagmar: known by who?
13:39 <@Dagmar> Microsoft.
13:40 < ware> sdodson: totmato cant do what dd-wrt can do
13:40 < ware> even with its fancy ajaxulation
13:41 <@sdodson> ware: what can dd-wrt do?
13:42 < ware> everything
13:42 < ware> it has moar than tomato
13:43 < ware> tomato doesnt have any captive portal stuff iirc
13:43 < ware> and dd-wrt supports 5-6 different services out of teh box
13:43 < ware> therfore, pwnage
13:47 < Shadow404> i think im looking for overall stability
13:53 < fie_> Sold csco
13:53 < fie_> may god have my balls if that were a terrible idea.
13:53 < fie_> I'm going to hold out with intc for a while to see where that goes.
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14:04 <@sdodson> ware: OMGGGGGGGGGGGGG i don't care about captive
14:06 < Shadow404> how stable are the wrt derivatives?
14:06 < Shadow404> do they work well under a high packet stream scenario (aka wireless webcam)
14:08 < ware> sdodson: then use a less robust firmware
14:09 < ware> but know in the back of your mind there is better out there
14:09 < ware> ... nvm, i guess youre used to that since you work @ Redhat
14:09 < ware> ;)
14:10 < ware> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urNyg1ftMIU
14:10 < ware> ROFL
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15:44 < Shadow404> tables usage in html ftl
15:45 < eryc> Achtung!
15:45 < eryc> There is a new Wolfenstein out today!
15:46 < eryc> ware: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NARADB8nHnw
15:46 < eryc> ROFL
15:48 < ware> heh
15:48 < ware> fuckin cops
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16:29 <@Catonic> why is it always black people that get on TV for having been beaten by the cops for flipping out?
16:29 <@Catonic> are there no violent asians?
16:30 < polerin> Catonic: ... because that's the sterotype of black people men, and it's easier to see something as violent if you've been prepped to believe that it will be?
16:31 < polerin> as well as the cops engaging in racial profiling and stopping more black people, or having more serious stops on them?  :P
16:32 < ware> what?
16:33 < ware> cops stop gay people just as much as they stop blacks
16:33 <@Catonic> here's my point...
16:33 <@Catonic> as many times as we've seen episodes of cops...
16:34 <@unixfg> ware: uh... how do you figure that? it just sound good?
16:34 <@Catonic> do you really think it is appropriate to get out of the car to pull out your wallet?
16:34 < ware> Catonic: i agree, if he didnt warn the cop then he set himself up
16:34 < ware> when you get pulled over you have to reaffirm the cops position of authority
16:34 < ware> and everything goes much smoother
16:34 < ware> unixfg: statistics
16:34 <@Catonic> then again... I've got something like 14 tickets in ten years.
16:35 < ware> polerin was throwing out stats so i figured i would too ;)
16:35 <@Catonic> and I've NEVER been tasered.
16:35 <@unixfg> ware: I didn't remember him writing down my sexual orientation last time
16:35 < polerin> Stats?
16:35 < polerin> pht.
16:35 < ware> unixfg: it was a troll
16:35 <@unixfg> ware: oh, ok :-/
16:35 < ware> :P
16:35  * unixfg is bad at that game
16:35 < ware> just sat down in the hot seat here @ buddys network to troubleshoot
16:36 < polerin> unixfg: assume that anything he says is a troll
16:37 < polerin> Catonic: you asked why we see it on tv, not why it happens
16:38 < polerin> Catonic: my answer was "because the media likes that story and because there are more serious interactions between black people and cops, so even ignoring any other signifigant factors, there are going to be more stupid."
16:38 < polerin> the first part being primary :P
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16:46 < ware> polerin: i been waiting to see you on TG so i could hs ya
16:46 < ware> where ya been
16:51 < polerin> working?
16:51 < polerin> and I don't play on the monster?
17:16 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=2112871&l=0e28ae9b8f&id=734754650
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17:16 <@Corydon76-dig> and he's not even fully grown yet
17:20 < ware> polerin: whats the other server?
17:50 <@m0j0-j0j0> The other server is rhonda
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18:38 <@sdodson> ware: you make baby jesus cry
18:38 <@sdodson> ware: this video has been removed due to terms of service violation
18:38 < ware> wut video?
18:39 < ware> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urNyg1ftMIU
18:39 <@sdodson> ware: nerrr mind
18:39 <@sdodson> 16:46 < eryc> ware: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NARADB8nHnw
18:39 <@sdodson> ware: omg, the biggest d-bag at work rolled into the parking lot windows rolled down pumping Day'n Night. it made me cry, I'll never listen to that again
18:41 < ware> hahahaha
18:41 < ware> that link was for a cop beating vid
18:42 <@sdodson> ware: felicia day, unf unf unf
18:42 < ware> yah
18:48 <@sasquatc4> sweet, the universe starts a new season tonight
19:20 <@sdodson> 18:52 < kkemp> Switchvox tech support just suggested that I move the Switchvox server to a different room, or a different location to solve my issue which is that after I stop speaking I hear silence for a second before the background static kicks in on my test PAETEC SIP trunk
19:21 < ware> hahahaha
19:22 < ware> paetec == trubbl
19:22 <@sdodson> orly?
19:22 <@sdodson> you know a lot of shit ware
19:28 < ware> thnx
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19:59 <@sdodson> http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=111985662  Alex Jones On 'Losing The News,' And Why It Matters
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20:16 < fie_> coil, you don't know dick, jack
20:34 < Peaches1984> lalala
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22:50 <@Catonic> anyone working 3rd?
22:50 < Peaches1984> yay
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23:00 <@juice> everyone go now and let your life be consumed www.motivatedphotos.com
23:00 <@juice> <juice> most addicting website on the internet
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23:57 <@Catonic> http://www.motivatedphotos.com/?id=15186
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