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Sure. Send me a trace. 09:21 <@Shadow404> but nothing on 80 09:23 <@Shadow404> stream works for you, right? 09:25 <@Shadow404> i mean, is it possible that loading a stream could cause a firewall to reject the site wne simply browsing it was working fine 09:41 <@nachoguy> mr0nin 09:47 <@Shadow404> that reminds me, im so needing a brew and some cheesy nachos for lunch. 09:47 <@Shadow404> probably gonna hit the maxlagers.com for my lunch break 09:48 <@Shadow404> probably get the max red or max hefe 09:49 <@nachoguy> you're going to a website for lunch? 09:49 <@nachoguy> neat-0 09:49 <@Shadow404> yeah, man, its like the new thing 09:49 <@Shadow404> like second life but for lunch 09:50 <@nachoguy> then you head over to microsoft.com to use the bathroom 09:53 < rattleXw> One of my sites just popped up on the front page of digg.com.. 09:55 -!- Jagobah [n=ljugo@adsl-67-26-12.owb.bellsouth.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:55 <@Shadow404> nachoguy: yep 09:56 -!- Jagobah [n=ljugo@adsl-67-26-12.owb.bellsouth.net] has joined #se2600 10:02 <@nachoguy> rattle, thinkprogress? 10:08 -!- rattle [n=rattle@tor/regular/rattle] has joined #se2600 10:08 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o rattle] by ChanServ 10:47 <@rhia> nachoguy: yep 11:14 -!- m0j0-j0j0 [n=m0j0-j0j@rrcs-98-101-35-242.midsouth.biz.rr.com] has joined #se2600 11:14 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o m0j0-j0j0] by ChanServ 11:24 -!- mtown_nerd [n=Josh@c-75-66-111-159.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:25 -!- mtown_nerd [n=Josh@c-75-66-111-159.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 11:25 -!- strages_ [n=strages@c-68-62-216-5.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 11:26 -!- strages [n=strages@c-68-62-216-5.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:14 -!- fie_ [n=fie@lan-reodist-184-222.customer.ntelos.net] has joined #se2600 12:15 -!- fie_ [n=fie@lan-reodist-184-222.customer.ntelos.net] has quit [Client Quit] 12:23 -!- TieFighter [n=TieFight@66.199.12.19] has joined #se2600 12:25 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez! 12:26 -!- Catonic_lp [n=cinotac@adsl-068-209-203-168.sip.hsv.bellsouth.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:45 -!- strages_ [n=strages@c-68-62-216-5.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:46 -!- Jagobah [n=ljugo@adsl-67-26-12.owb.bellsouth.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:46 -!- Jagobah [n=ljugo@adsl-67-26-12.owb.bellsouth.net] has joined #se2600 12:51 -!- jb7od_ [n=itsME@adsl-065-080-187-241.sip.bna.bellsouth.net] has joined #se2600 12:53 -!- mfph [n=itsME@adsl-065-080-187-241.sip.bna.bellsouth.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:00 -!- Jagobah [n=ljugo@adsl-67-26-12.owb.bellsouth.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:01 -!- Jagobah [n=ljugo@adsl-67-26-12.owb.bellsouth.net] has joined #se2600 13:10 -!- jb7od__ [n=itsME@adsl-065-080-187-241.sip.bna.bellsouth.net] has joined #se2600 13:11 -!- jb7od_ [n=itsME@adsl-065-080-187-241.sip.bna.bellsouth.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:17 -!- strages [n=strages@c-68-62-216-5.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 13:17 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o strages] by ChanServ 13:31 -!- TieFighter [n=TieFight@66.199.12.19] has quit ["Leaving"] 13:32 -!- Jagobah [n=ljugo@adsl-67-26-12.owb.bellsouth.net] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:32 -!- Jagobah [n=ljugo@adsl-67-26-12.owb.bellsouth.net] has joined #se2600 14:10 <@nachoguy> I need some bash voodoo help. you know how you can do something like diff <(du -sch /etc) <(/etc-backup) ? 14:11 < eryc> sort of 14:11 <@nachoguy> I need to take the output of stderr and send it to another process. I'd like to do it without using a tempfile, however 2>(read foo) doesn't work 14:11 <@nachoguy> not sure what else I've got. pipes are not the correct solution here 14:13 <@nachoguy> of if you have a way of grabbing stderr from the previous process that could work 14:13 <@nachoguy> all I can think of right now is using a fifo or something, but that seems a tad overkill 14:15 < eryc> use a temp file 14:15 <@Corydon76-dig> nachoguy: the bash manpage provides "foo >& bar" 14:17 <@Corydon76-dig> nachoguy: you could also use 2>&1 14:17 <@nachoguy> I'm getting a "ambiguous redirect for that 14:17 <@Corydon76-dig> though that combines both stdout and stderr to the same pipe 14:17 < eryc> .. 14:18 <@nachoguy> corydon, the issue with 2>&1 is that stderr has the info I need, and stdout isn't going to help as it's a curses application 14:18 <@Corydon76-dig> if it's a curses app, then redirecting stdout is going to turn off terminal escape codes 14:19 <@nachoguy> right 14:19 <@nachoguy> that's why I'm trying to get stderr 14:19 <@Corydon76-dig> You could try 1>&4 2>&1 14:20 <@Corydon76-dig> i.e. redirect stdout to another fd, but redirect stderr to stdout 14:20 -!- Catonic_lp [n=cinotac@adsl-068-209-203-168.sip.hsv.bellsouth.net] has joined #se2600 14:20 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Catonic_lp] by ChanServ 14:20 < eryc> nachoguy: http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/io-redirection.html 14:20 < eryc> try the last one 14:21 <@Corydon76-dig> eryc: I think that's the same as what I just said 14:21 <@Corydon76-dig> although it additionally cleans up the output to the redirected stdout 14:24 -!- Jagobah [n=ljugo@adsl-67-26-12.owb.bellsouth.net] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:24 <@sdodson> hi 14:24 -!- Jagobah [n=ljugo@adsl-67-26-12.owb.bellsouth.net] has joined #se2600 14:25 < eryc> nachoguy: use a tempfile 14:27 <@Corydon76-dig> MS Office and Word are now illegal to sell. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/12/AR2009081202137.html 14:29 <@opticron> LOL 14:30 <@Shadow404> looks like a company that is trying to con m$ out of money 14:30 <@Shadow404> thats all 14:30 <@Shadow404> trick the oblivious judges with fancy technical jargon they dont really understand 14:30 <@Corydon76-dig> Shadow404: eh, MS plays the same game. Swim with the sharks, get bitten. 14:30 <@opticron> software pattents are stil wrong 14:30 <@Shadow404> we really do need a court for technology cases 14:30 <@Shadow404> they block innovation 14:31 <@Corydon76-dig> Can't really say I feel sorry for MS, though. 14:42 <@Catonic_lp> I love it when an emergency breaks out during a crisis. 14:44 <@Shadow404> arent they sorta the same thing? 14:44 -!- oddball [n=oddball@c-76-22-243-130.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:00 <@Catonic_lp> Shadow404: not exactly 15:02 -!- Jagobah [n=ljugo@adsl-67-26-12.owb.bellsouth.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:02 -!- jnds [n=ljugo@adsl-67-26-12.owb.bellsouth.net] has joined #se2600 15:16 -!- jnds [n=ljugo@adsl-67-26-12.owb.bellsouth.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 15:16 -!- Jagobah [n=ljugo@adsl-67-26-12.owb.bellsouth.net] has joined #se2600 15:22 -!- coil [i=coil@unaffiliated/coil] has quit [Excess Flood] 15:22 -!- coil [i=coil@unaffiliated/coil] has joined #se2600 15:22 -!- coil [i=coil@unaffiliated/coil] has quit [Excess Flood] 15:23 -!- coil [i=coil@unaffiliated/coil] has joined #se2600 15:23 -!- coil [i=coil@unaffiliated/coil] has quit [Excess Flood] 15:23 -!- coil [i=coil@unaffiliated/coil] has joined #se2600 16:13 < benthemeek> Would going to a comcast business internet over having a dedicated T1 be a bad idea? 16:13 < benthemeek> Its just so much cheaper... 16:13 < benthemeek> Anybody doing it? 16:16 <@opticron> 1.544mbps up and down 16:16 <@opticron> if it's cheap and you need to host servers, i'd do it 16:17 <@opticron> that depends on your definition of cheap, though 16:18 < fall0ut> docsis is faster than a T1 16:18 < fall0ut> by farrr 16:18 < benthemeek> comcast business class is 16down 2 up 16:18 < benthemeek> we are saturating the T1 now 16:19 <@Corydon76-dig> benthemeek: yes, but they do not guarantee bandwidth. 16:19 <@Shadow404> or uptime 16:19 < benthemeek> That is a good point 16:19 <@Corydon76-dig> that 16/2 is your maximum throughput in the best circumstances 16:19 < benthemeek> YEah I have to check into the service aggreements 16:20 <@Corydon76-dig> If you're in downtown Nashville, there's a better option: Metro Ethernet 16:20 < benthemeek> well suposedly davidson and rutherford are docsys3 now and have much higher 16:20 <@Corydon76-dig> Pay for the bandwidth you want 16:20 < benthemeek> I am Mufreesboro :( 16:21 <@Corydon76-dig> How much of your bandwidth could be located in a colo? 16:21 < benthemeek> hmm 16:21 < fall0ut> if he's got a T1... buying colo + bw vs buying cable/metro-e wouldn't make sense :P 16:21 < benthemeek> Probaly not much 16:22 <@Corydon76-dig> fall0ut: he can't get metro-e, though 16:22 < benthemeek> We have about 60 + offsite location connected by 56k frame :P 16:22 < benthemeek> It is time to upgrade 16:23 <@Corydon76-dig> That's why I would suggest connecting your offsites to a colo and doing only the necessary connections from your office to the colo 16:23 < benthemeek> It would be possible 16:24 -!- Venom_X [n=pjacobs@cpe-67-9-131-167.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #se2600 16:24 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Venom_X] by ChanServ 16:24 < benthemeek> I will mention that a possible option next meeting 16:24 <@Corydon76-dig> It also means bringing up more offsites would be easier and would not compete with your office resources 16:24 < benthemeek> I was thinking of doing away with those frames (400$ a month) per one 16:24 < benthemeek> and going to a all vpn solution 16:25 < benthemeek> Its not a ridulous amount of traffic 16:25 <@Corydon76-dig> Well, it depends upon your needs for an always-up connection 16:25 < benthemeek> i mean we are getting by with the 56 k frames now 16:25 <@Corydon76-dig> With those frames, you're paying to ensure that those links are always up 16:25 < benthemeek> But we are expecting it to increase 16:25 < benthemeek> Well they arent, Im contantly bugging atnt 16:26 <@Corydon76-dig> With VPN, you're at the mercy of whatever links you're bridging 16:26 < benthemeek> but yeah they do have 4 hour service level aggreements 16:26 <@Corydon76-dig> So you need to make sure your SLAs don't decrease with whatever service you replace them with 16:27 < benthemeek> It is pretty laid back here - a few hours or even a day where the jobs back up going to the offsites dont really cause much pain 16:27 <@Corydon76-dig> That's the primary problem with cable modem service... yeah, it's great bandwidth, but when it's down for a week, you have no recourse 16:27 < benthemeek> I guess I can give comcast a go 16:28 < benthemeek> yeah 16:28 < benthemeek> maybe I should get a back up 16:28 < benthemeek> I will be saving enough money to justify an ADSL line or something 16:28 <@Corydon76-dig> bonded T1? 16:28 < benthemeek> or dsl anyway 16:29 <@Corydon76-dig> Who is your T1 with? 16:29 < benthemeek> I don't know 16:29 < benthemeek> I just kind on a fact finding mission for my boss 16:29 <@Corydon76-dig> You might shop around and see if you can find a cheaper T1 service 16:30 < benthemeek> I want to say XO communications or something 16:30 <@Corydon76-dig> Butler.net is a good source of business-class services 16:31 < benthemeek> Thanks 16:31 <@Corydon76-dig> and they're locally-owned and operated 16:32 <@sdodson> LEEEEEEEEEEEEEEt 16:33 < benthemeek> Once again this channel proves worthy of being helpful and useful 16:33 < benthemeek> I will try and not get used to it 16:33 <@Corydon76-dig> Actually, you might now be able to get Metro-E in M'boro. You can always ask. 16:34 < benthemeek> or is helpful and useful rather* 16:39 <@m0j0-j0j0> sdodson: ur 3133+ 16:41 <@m0j0-j0j0> the S is Sdodson stand for $|<1||z 16:42 <@m0j0-j0j0> benthemeek: Corydon76-dig is a really helpful guy sometimes. You must be cute. 16:43 < benthemeek> :P 16:46 <@m0j0-j0j0> omg! http://www.bradenton.com/847/story/1635181.html 16:48 <@Corydon76-dig> m0j0-j0j0: He is. But married. 16:48 <@m0j0-j0j0> Corydon76-dig: so it's time to by a case of bud? 16:49 <@Corydon76-dig> Hah 16:49 <@sdodson> m0j0-j0j0: I know. 16:49 <@sdodson> m0j0-j0j0: I am glad to have you as a fan. 16:49 <@Corydon76-dig> He's not cute enough to risk Peaches 16:52 <@Corydon76-dig> I haven't met anybody who was cute enough to risk an LTR over 16:53 <@m0j0-j0j0> Corydon76-dig: Peaches seems to be a good guy, but surely flirting isn't a crime 16:54 <@m0j0-j0j0> the problem with harmless flirting is when it all goes too right 16:58 * benthemeek blushes 16:58 < benthemeek> Well it was cool hanging out and talking the other night 16:58 < benthemeek> I was not uncomfortable by that in the least 16:59 * Corydon76-dig senses a "BUT" coming along... 16:59 < benthemeek> I actually find astericks(sp?) facinating 16:59 < benthemeek> no buts 16:59 <@Corydon76-dig> Asterisk 16:59 < benthemeek> looking forward to next 2600 16:59 <@Corydon76-dig> Cool 17:00 < benthemeek> I would come visit the HC and still might 17:00 < benthemeek> but it is quite a drive 17:00 < benthemeek> and my family akes most of my time 17:03 <@Corydon76-dig> benthemeek: wait until the girls hit puberty. Once a month, you'll be scrambling to get out of the house 17:04 <@m0j0-j0j0> my family aches most of the time too ;) 17:05 < benthemeek> *sigh* so i hear, its bad enough now sometimes. Maybe I should get a male pet just for some comradery 17:06 <@m0j0-j0j0> rebuke the male pet 17:06 < benthemeek> <-- has 3 girls under the age of 6 17:06 < benthemeek> male pet as in cat/dog/rabbit/hamster 17:06 < benthemeek> not the human kind 17:06 <@m0j0-j0j0> you should start the local 2600 chapter bowling league 17:07 <@m0j0-j0j0> benthemeek: haha 17:08 <@m0j0-j0j0> if you start one out there and we start one here we could have 2600ACC Bowling 17:08 <@Corydon76-dig> benthemeek: Flemish Giant rabbit 17:09 <@m0j0-j0j0> but we would totally destroy you because onlngenius is a really good bowler. 17:09 <@Corydon76-dig> starts out the size of your fist and grows to be the size of a medium dog 17:09 <@m0j0-j0j0> and is always "late for an important date" 17:10 < benthemeek> You know I had the idea last night afer getting home from nlug, Is there such a thing as a tech themed bar? 17:10 < benthemeek> I mean it could be where nlug and 2600 and all the other technical groups meet and stop in 17:10 <@m0j0-j0j0> a coffee shop? 17:10 < benthemeek> they could be the sponsors for various events of the groups 17:10 < benthemeek> yeah 17:11 < benthemeek> somethign like that 17:12 < benthemeek> I think I had more fun at the pizza after NLUG than actually at the meeting :) 17:12 <@m0j0-j0j0> we had a place that you could go and have lan parties on someone elses hardware, but they went out of business because... who is going to pay buy the hour for something you can do better on campus 17:12 < benthemeek> yeah 17:12 <@m0j0-j0j0> we have a tech-shop 17:12 < fall0ut> I never go to the nlug meetings 17:12 <@m0j0-j0j0> and in nashville they have a lab 17:12 < fall0ut> I should actually try and show up again 17:13 < benthemeek> I wondered about you to jim fall0ut 17:13 < benthemeek> asked him you were since you are in all the channels I am 17:13 < benthemeek> he had no idea :) 17:13 < fall0ut> I ended up leaving the office at like 6:45 17:13 <@m0j0-j0j0> I wanted to start a hacker hang out, but the local 2600 politics kind of killed my interest. 17:14 < benthemeek> politics? 17:16 <@m0j0-j0j0> well, it seems that a few months before I got back in the scene some of the locals had had a lab and felt that it all got dumped on one or two people to pay for everything so when I came back in and said "you know we need a place to hang out and just chill" people got freaked out a little 17:26 <@m0j0-j0j0> It's okay because it really helped me find out who is really interested, who has a defeatist attitude and who really understands what I consider the hacker mindset. It is still something I think should be done, but once I found out that it was upsetting to people and that my "hey, lets do something" attitude was threatening I put it on the back burner. I had a reason for wanting to go at it full steam, but it turns out that I 17:27 <@sdodson> i'm bored 17:27 <@m0j0-j0j0> sdodson: if we had a hang out it wouldn't be a problem 17:27 <@sdodson> m0j0-j0j0: I have my house 17:27 -!- jnds [n=ljugo@adsl-67-26-12.owb.bellsouth.net] has joined #se2600 17:27 <@sdodson> what's wrong with my house? 17:27 < benthemeek> m0j0 are you from nashville? 17:27 <@m0j0-j0j0> benthemeek: nope... I'm in Raleigh 17:27 -!- Jagobah [n=ljugo@adsl-67-26-12.owb.bellsouth.net] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 17:28 <@sdodson> labs are silly for a group as disorganized and unmotivated as ours 17:28 <@m0j0-j0j0> benthemeek: fyi I think sdodson ended up in the defeatist group ;) 17:29 <@m0j0-j0j0> sdodson: I'm working on creating more organization and motivation in the group, but it takes time 17:30 <@Catonic_lp> only at hulu could they come up with a broke-ass system that streams the video each time you hit replay, unlike YouTube, where once the video is downloaded, it is played locally. 17:32 <@m0j0-j0j0> sdodson: speaking of which, I was thinking about trying to get a group together to shoot some pool on Friday. I'm sure everyone is tired of bowling and while Nick really wants to see me try and roller blade.. the last time I skated rollerblades didn't even exist so I don't see how I could end up not going to the hospital (since I'm an old man I'm sure I would break a hip) 17:34 -!- benthemeek [n=i2871blh@216.248.9.211] has quit ["off to dinner"] 17:42 <@m0j0-j0j0> sdodson: I've not done myself any short term favors by stirring shit up even more with Vic on the forums, but he's just overly critical of everyone and if we're going to ever come together into a cohesive group we can't have people being afraid of not being accepted because they are a bit off the beaten path. I respect him for the things he's reportedly done but if you're going to be the big lead alpha male of the group you can 17:44 <@Catonic_lp> m0j0-j0j0: never underestimate the power of drunken bowling 17:45 <@m0j0-j0j0> sdodson: and are you offering up your house for the entire crew to hang out in all the time? Because other than the frightening hairy pussy running around that sounds awesome. 17:46 <@m0j0-j0j0> Catonic_lp: sometimes you bowl for the pins, sometime we bowl for top speed. 17:51 <@m0j0-j0j0> since my rant has put everyone to sleep I guess I'm going to take my ass home. sdodson let me know if pool is a good idea or if you can think of something better. If you want everyone to hang out over at your place and watch a movie or just shoot the shit I'm sure we could get a group together. 17:51 -!- m0j0-j0j0 [n=m0j0-j0j@rrcs-98-101-35-242.midsouth.biz.rr.com] has quit ["Stay gold Pony-boy, stay gold."] 17:52 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o mtown_nerd] by ChanServ 18:08 -!- oddball [n=oddball@c-76-22-243-130.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 18:08 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o oddball] by ChanServ 18:26 <@rhia> http://www.youaredumb.net/archive/all/2009/8/12 poor ol' Stephen Hawking - sheesh 18:41 -!- jb7od__ is now known as mfph 18:42 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o mfph] by ChanServ 18:45 -!- nightcarnage [n=nightcar@c-69-180-199-167.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:56 -!- sasquatc4 [i=sasquatc@c-174-51-9-31.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [] 19:01 -!- sasquatc4 [i=sasquatc@c-174-51-9-31.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 19:01 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o sasquatc4] by ChanServ 19:09 -!- m0j0-j0j0 [n=mj0j0@cpe-069-134-098-163.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #se2600 19:09 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o m0j0-j0j0] by ChanServ 19:36 -!- RJH00_iPHONE [n=RJH00_iP@32.129.180.102] has joined #se2600 19:38 -!- RJH00_iPHONE [n=RJH00_iP@32.129.180.102] has quit [Client Quit] 19:40 -!- hobbes615` [n=ryan@c-68-48-8-21.hsd1.dc.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 19:46 -!- jnds [n=ljugo@adsl-67-26-12.owb.bellsouth.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:46 -!- jnds3 [n=ljugo@adsl-67-26-12.owb.bellsouth.net] has joined #se2600 19:46 -!- brimstone [n=brimston@pdpc/sponsor/digium/brimstone] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:47 -!- brimstone [n=brimston@the.narro.ws] has joined #se2600 19:47 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o brimstone] by ChanServ 19:54 -!- Peaches1984 [i=red@c-68-52-33-133.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 20:04 * brimstone mounts /dev/dsk/c2t0d0s0 like nobody's bidnez 21:08 <@sasquatc4> ugh, nothin like mac zealots with no reasoning, helpin some dude on djforums, others post specific reasons to go for certain pc setups, and someone just posts 'a macbook would do the job', no rhyme or reason 21:10 < polerin> sasquatc4: linux would do it 21:11 <@sasquatc4> hehe, actually it wouldnt, even though there was a good article recently on a producer movin to all linux, its still a bitch for this stuff 21:13 <@sasquatc4> just wish jack was more straight forward, at least in windows, tried usin it to do some audio hackery but it was takin way too long to figure out 21:27 <@sasquatc4> omg theres chia obama 21:34 <@sdodson> ________ __ __ ____ 21:34 <@sdodson> |__ / _ \| \/ |/ ___| 21:34 <@sdodson> / / | | | |\/| | | _ 21:34 <@sdodson> / /| |_| | | | | |_| | 21:34 <@sdodson> /____\___/|_| |_|\____| 21:34 <@sdodson> 21:34 <@sdodson> ____ ___ ____ ___ _ _ ___ ____ _____ ____ _ 21:34 <@sdodson> / ___| / _ \ / ___|_ _| / \ | | |_ _/ ___|_ _/ ___|| | 21:34 <@sdodson> \___ \| | | | | | | / _ \ | | | |\___ \ | | \___ \| | 21:34 <@sdodson> ___) | |_| | |___ | | / ___ \| |___ | | ___) || | ___) |_| 21:34 <@sdodson> |____/ \___/ \____|___/_/ \_\_____|___|____/ |_| |____/(_) 21:34 <@sdodson> 21:36 <@sasquatc4> heh, i actually had foxnews on for a while today just to see how bad they were, that is one rediculous channel 21:39 <@sdodson> Worse with Obama in office or with Bush in office? 21:39 <@sasquatc4> i dunno, first time i really sat down and watched em 21:40 <@sasquatc4> its just so obviously biased, at least from what ive seen on cnn they usually show both sides, maybe sometimes a little slanted one way, but for the most part they show both sides 21:53 <@sdodson> Ya. 21:53 <@sdodson> Anyone else getting bad SSL certs from imap.gmail.com ? 21:54 -!- daswork [n=opera@71.36.142.59] has joined #se2600 21:54 < daswork> God damn, I hate windows. 21:54 < daswork> Fucking pile of shit. 21:54 < daswork> Current issue: Trying to rejoin a computer to a domain that is being used to host virtual machines. 21:54 <@sdodson> daswork: orly? why this time? 21:55 <@sasquatc4> sdodson: i cant get to google at all right now 21:56 < daswork> Here's how windows gracefully handles this. 21:56 < daswork> 1. Disconnect computer from domain. 21:56 < daswork> Reset. 21:56 < daswork> Computer: Fuck you, I still have roaming profiles. 21:57 < daswork> So, the virtual server tries to save its settings to the profile that is overwritten every fucking time it boots. 21:58 < daswork> I wasn't aware that a workgroup could have roaming profiles. 21:59 <@sdodson> How's that work? 21:59 <@sdodson> You set up the policy on each machine? 21:59 <@mtown_nerd> They don't ... but the cached profile created by users who logged in while it was on the domain persist...right? :x 21:59 <@mtown_nerd> Or am I misunderstanding something? 22:01 < daswork> mtown_nerd: Makes sense to me. Since I was logging into domain/administrator before I disconnected from the network, and local_machine/administrator after it was only part of the workgroup, the local_machine/administrator account *should* be roaming. 22:02 * daswork drinks until this makes sense. 22:03 * daswork attempts to get the virtual network to work again. 22:03 <@mtown_nerd> Neg....there are no roaming profiles on local machines 22:04 <@mtown_nerd> That functionality would be controlled by the domain, of which that machine is no longer an authenticated member. 22:04 < daswork> mtown_nerd: That's my viewpoint. 22:04 <@mtown_nerd> When you disjoined the machine, did you actually remove the machine account? 22:04 <@mtown_nerd> By default, when you disable a computer in AD, it simply drops to a Disconnected state.... maybe something there to try? :o 22:05 <@sdodson> i sort of wish i understood atleast basics of AD 22:05 < daswork> How would I remove the machine account? 22:05 < daswork> The DC isn't running. 22:05 <@mtown_nerd> Simply deleting it from AD 22:05 <@mtown_nerd> Oooh 22:05 <@mtown_nerd> Then the point should be moot. :x 22:06 <@mtown_nerd> Unless there's a 2nd controller? 22:07 <@mtown_nerd> Though honestly... I'm not sure I understand the "virtual" part in all this. lol 22:08 <@Dagmar> Aha! 22:08 <@Dagmar> Figured it out 22:08 <@Dagmar> For whatever insane reason, the 800w actually allows bluetooth devices to negotiate a positively absurdle low bit rate. 22:08 <@Dagmar> Zero to be precise. 22:09 <@Dagmar> Raised the lower limit to the max and it's all good now 22:09 * daswork cries. 22:09 <@mtown_nerd> lol das 22:09 <@mtown_nerd> Let me read up... 22:10 < daswork> Ah, Microsoft Virtual Server, you truly are a POS that keeps VMWare in business. 22:10 <@mtown_nerd> So...you're trying to join a machine back to the domain that is actually hosting guest VMs 22:10 <@mtown_nerd> right? 22:10 <@mtown_nerd> Using I guess VS or VMWorkstation? 22:10 < daswork> mtown_nerd: Yep. 22:10 < daswork> Microsoft VIrtual Server. 22:12 <@mtown_nerd> And the problem is ... what? 22:12 <@mtown_nerd> What does it do when you go to rejoin the machine using local admin creds? 22:13 < daswork> I think I have it going. 22:13 < daswork> mtown_nerd: The virtual server is losing its virtual network. 22:13 < daswork> Probably due to a permissions problem. 22:14 <@mtown_nerd> Hmmm 22:16 < daswork> Yah. 22:16 < daswork> But now it is rejoining the domain, I think. 22:16 < daswork> Which should solve that. 22:17 <@mtown_nerd> Honestly, I'm not really sure why its membership or not would have any effect on its virtual network settings 22:17 <@mtown_nerd> :/ 22:17 < daswork> mtown_nerd: I thinik it's overwriting the change with the roaming profile. 22:18 -!- sasquatc4 [i=sasquatc@c-174-51-9-31.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [] 22:18 < daswork> Why it would be using a roaming profile for whatever account the Virtual Server service runs under is beyond my knowledge. 22:18 <@mtown_nerd> Have you checked the acct settings in AD? 22:19 <@mtown_nerd> If that is a default policy, it's possible that whoever created the service account for it didn't remember to remove Roaming Profiles from it 22:19 < daswork> It's coming back up now. 22:19 <@mtown_nerd> Or, if its GP-driven, either the user or the machine is influenced by a group policy that automatically enables it... I'm not strong enough in it to be able to deduce one or the other at this point. :( 22:19 <@mtown_nerd> Yay! 22:20 < daswork> God, I hate small environments with only a few windows servers, all mission-critical with no hot backups. 22:20 < daswork> And each server doing about 20 things. 22:20 <@brimstone> but those are the fun ones! 22:20 < daswork> They are. 22:20 <@sdodson> virtualize dem bitches 22:21 < daswork> Since, in my experience, windows can't walk and chew gum reliably half the time. 22:22 <@sdodson> I'm all about creating small vms for every task. Though with Windows that can be costly for sure. 22:24 -!- sasquatc4 [i=sasquatc@c-174-51-9-31.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 22:24 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o sasquatc4] by ChanServ 22:26 < daswork> It can be. 22:29 < daswork> God, this is a PITA. 22:31 < daswork> There really, really seems no point in moving anything *but* the virtual hard disk image when chaning the domain on a virtual server. 22:36 -!- Venom_X [n=pjacobs@cpe-67-9-131-167.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [] 22:43 <@sdodson> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Design/AnacondaStorageUI#Mockups looks quite complex 22:44 <@sasquatc4> does that ui require buns? 22:46 <@sdodson> buns?! 22:46 <@sasquatc4> well my anaconda dont want none unless you got buns 22:47 <@sdodson> it sucks i didn't figure that out before you told me 22:47 <@sasquatc4> hehe 22:52 -!- Peaches1984 [i=red@c-68-52-33-133.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 22:53 <@Catonic_lp> sup dasunt 22:57 < daswork> Catonic windows hell. 22:57 < daswork> Other than that, no tmuch. 23:00 -!- hobbes615` [n=ryan@c-68-48-8-21.hsd1.dc.comcast.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 23:07 < daswork> God, I hate microsoft. 23:07 < daswork> Why the hell can't their OS kill a fucking process? 23:33 -!- mtown_nerd [n=Josh@c-75-66-111-159.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 23:50 <@Catonic_lp> ah 23:50 <@Catonic_lp> dunno 23:50 <@Catonic_lp> I love that I can always open up a terminal and do a kill -9 23:50 <@Catonic_lp> or shell in remotely and issue a "reboot" 23:56 -!- mtown_nerd [n=Josh@c-75-66-111-159.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 23:57 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o mtown_nerd] by ChanServ --- Log closed Thu Aug 13 00:00:27 2009