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00:09 < dasunt> I thought a contact list was saved to the sim.
00:09 < dasunt> Wasn't it?
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00:31 <@Catonic> goddamn.
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07:09 <@sdodson> Incase anyone missed this, it's AWESOME. 23:22 <@Dagmar> Sufficiently high levels of wrongness: http://www.duelinganalogs.com/comics/2009-08-10.png\
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08:16 <@Shadow404> lawl, now go diaf
08:20 <@Evilpig> I laughed
08:27 <@Shadow404> i lawled
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09:08 <@nachoguy> at first I was like o_O, but then I loled
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09:10 <@Shadow404> benthemeek: did they put you through the initiation ceremony at your first meeting?
09:11 <@Shadow404> did you piss off the hacker chick with yor l33t wipeout skills?
09:12 <@Shadow404> and then did you play with her uber laptop with a 24k bps modem and risc architecture?
09:13 <@nachoguy> risc is gonna change everything
09:13 < benthemeek> :)
09:14 <@nachoguy> I bet it looks crispy in the dark
09:14 <@Shadow404> risc is good
09:14 <@nachoguy> you in the butta zone now, baby
09:14 < benthemeek> It was interesting
09:14 < benthemeek> I had fun, I plan to join
09:15 <@Shadow404> ok, membership dues are $20/weekly to shadow404 at gmail
09:15 <@Shadow404> via paypal please
09:15 < benthemeek> Wish I had brought my laptop as I felt slightly naked for seemingly being the only one there without one
09:16 <@Shadow404> you will recieve a framable membership certificate upon joining
09:16 <@Shadow404> that i will print out on my dot matrix printer
09:16 < benthemeek> old school :)
09:17 <@Shadow404> damn right, i'll even leave the l33t paper feed holes on the paper
09:17 < benthemeek> My mom through away the dot matrix I gave her a few years back whihc kind of annoyed me
09:17 < benthemeek> That thing seemed to last forever aqnd would never dry up like the blasted inkjets
09:17 < benthemeek> threw*'
09:17 <@Shadow404> problem is to get them to still work nowadays, it hard to find the ribbons and you gotta get a usb adapter for parrarel port
09:17 <@Shadow404> and drivers
09:18 < benthemeek> Yeah
09:18 < benthemeek> I am willing to sacrafice noise and speed for cheap and lasting though
09:18 <@Shadow404> giggity, agreed
09:19 <@Evilpig> Shadow404: you can get usb dot matrix printers still
09:20 <@Evilpig> I had to install them for various places that still used them to print checks
09:20 <@Evilpig> Okidata ML320
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09:20 <@Evilpig> http://www.okidata.com/mkt/html/nf/SIDM.php?sku=ML320TSeries
09:24 <@nachoguy> okidatas are beasts
09:31 <@Shadow404> Evilpig: heh, my wife uses them in the pharma research business still
09:36 <@sdodson> I lol everytime i realize you're married, Shadow404
09:37 <@Shadow404> i do too
09:38 <@Evilpig> why must they give morons in crowds microphones?
09:39 <@Shadow404> ask sdodson
09:39 <@Evilpig> they keep showing this clip on the news of some old bitch crying about healthcare
09:39 <@Evilpig> "what are we gonna do when they take away all our healthcare?  where are we gonna go?!"
09:39 <@Shadow404> answer: in the ground
09:40 <@Corydon76-dig> Pssht.  This isn't about healthcare.  It's about paying for it.
09:40 <@Corydon76-dig> Once you realize that all of your medical bills are presently overinflated in order to cover cost overruns on the uninsured...
09:41 <@Corydon76-dig> We're already paying for health insurance for the uninsured; we just have nobody to hold accountable for it
09:41 <@Evilpig> she was trying to say that canadians are coming to the US to get surgeries and stuff because canada won't cover them and she wants to know where she will go once we are like canada.  stupid bitch
09:42 <@Corydon76-dig> Yeah, in Obamacare, you can still pay out of pocket to get any surgery you want
09:43 <@Corydon76-dig> just like the Canadians
09:43 <@Corydon76-dig> It's just that if you pay out of pocket, you have no control over the costs... just like the present US healthcare system
09:44 <@Corydon76-dig> Only thing that changes is that the people who actually get healthcare might have to start paying insurance premiums
09:44 < benthemeek> I don't know if it is that simple
09:45 <@Corydon76-dig> benthemeek: it seriously is that simple
09:45 < benthemeek> I have many friends on both sides of the aisle on the healthcare thing and I think both sides over simplify it
09:45 <@sdodson> Corydon76-dig: good description of the current situation.
09:45 <@Corydon76-dig> benthemeek: that's what's so astonishing about this debate... the reforms are over who pays for it, not the quality of the care you get
09:46 < benthemeek> I watched Sicko and it really made me think, SO defintly dont line up comepltly with the social healthcare is evil crowd
09:46 <@Corydon76-dig> We're not changing anything about the healthcare itself.
09:46 <@Corydon76-dig> All that's changing is that when a doctor performs a service, she ALWAYS gets paid.  That's it.
09:47 < benthemeek> Thats in therey
09:47 < benthemeek> But real poeple today are denied certain healthcare because they cant pay for it
09:47 <@Corydon76-dig> And if we let the market work (tm), then prices should go down, because prices are only high because doctors and hospitals have to cover overruns on the underinsured
09:48 < benthemeek> I mean some healthcare was doen for free, but what happens when everyone can get the level of healthcare they need
09:48 < benthemeek> I hope so
09:49 <@Corydon76-dig> And if the market won't work, then controls will be applied to ensure that doctors and hospitals stop overcharging for health care
09:49 < benthemeek> I think the best argument that made me realize just how broken our healthcare system might be is when someone mentioned we reward doctors for keeping us sick
09:49 <@Corydon76-dig> But first, the market will be given a chance to work
09:49 <@Corydon76-dig> benthemeek: that's an incredibly cynical view
09:49 < benthemeek> Yeah I think so as well
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09:50 < benthemeek> The uk has developed a reimbursment system base don wellness
09:50 <@Corydon76-dig> and it's incredibly insulting to doctors
09:50 < benthemeek> I thought that was a pretty novel idea
09:50 <@m0j0-j0j0> aflac
09:50 < benthemeek> It is, but how many times have we all thought the same things about mechanics?
09:50 <@Corydon76-dig> Eh, we only need to fix what's broken right now
09:50 <@Shadow404> heh, ill be elgible for uk healthcare next april
09:51 <@Corydon76-dig> Nice, narrow change.  Get it through.
09:51 <@Corydon76-dig> Once that's done, we can start thinking of other things, but adding more is only going to kill reform.
09:52 < benthemeek> The change being simply reimburse all medical care?
09:53 < benthemeek> I mean make sure the uninsured care is paid by the government(
09:53 < benthemeek> *
09:54 <@Corydon76-dig> No, make sure that everybody pays something for health insurance, even if that means that we subsidize a plan for low-income persons
09:54 <@m0j0-j0j0> as long as everything I want or need done to me (medically) is done and done quickly and right by the best medical professional available forever I'll be okay
09:54 < benthemeek> Yeah, I can aggree with the pragmatic idea as well m0j0
09:54 <@Corydon76-dig> Remember that we currently require that if you drive a car, you MUST carry liability insurance.  Health insurance should be mandated the same way.
09:55 <@m0j0-j0j0> well.. you have a choice not to drive a car
09:55 < benthemeek> Okay that sort of makes sense, but just what exactly is covered in the plan
09:55 <@Corydon76-dig> If you don't have liability insurance, you must show to the state that you have sufficient cash to cover an accident
09:55 <@m0j0-j0j0> choosing to not live is a crime in itself
09:55 < benthemeek> and just how much will that plan cover up to
09:55 <@Corydon76-dig> Same thing should go for medical insurance.  If you have enough money, you don't have to buy insurance, but otherwise, pony up
09:56 <@m0j0-j0j0> Corydon76-dig: do you know anyone who is personally self insured?
09:57 <@Corydon76-dig> m0j0-j0j0: anybody with the smarts to have gotten that much money is smart enough to also buy insurance
09:57 < benthemeek> I have a friend who has chosen a plan with a 5000 $ deductable
09:57 < scribbles> I know a healthy 24 yr old that was just denied personal insurance because he once had hep b and is now immune
09:57 < benthemeek> but i feel like he often neglect basic healthcare for himself and his family so he doesnt have to spend money
09:58 <@Corydon76-dig> benthemeek: yep, which is why single-payer is a good way to go
09:58 <@m0j0-j0j0> Corydon76-dig: exactly, plus the minimum would have to stay in escrow which would really suck
10:01 < benthemeek> I am very libertarian in my thinking mostly, but I do see the attraction in healthcare being a basic service we pay for like fire/police protection
10:02 < benthemeek> Right now I have great care and I can afford to pay for my 500$+ a month plan, but I know that many are not as fortunate and I think we all are afraid of it somehow getting worse due to changes
10:04 <@m0j0-j0j0> scribbles: huh? A potentially successful treatment regime for hep b was just published in new-england journal of medicine 2 months ago.  It was the research of a guy over at Duke.
10:05 < scribbles> his dr said he was cured and he's immune now I think
10:05 <@m0j0-j0j0> scribbles: are you sure it wasn't hep c?
10:06 < scribbles> hep c is the one that won't go away
10:06 <@m0j0-j0j0> genotype II hec C has a cure
10:06 <@m0j0-j0j0> s/hec/hep/
10:07 <@m0j0-j0j0> anyway, I'm sure that the hep x isn't the issue
10:08 <@m0j0-j0j0> the reason he can't be insured is because during the period you're body doesn't have an appropriate viral response, the virus does irreversible damage to your liver.
10:16 < benthemeek> Corydon76-dig: 5 freedoms you'd lose in health care reform http://money.cnn.com/2009/07/24/news/economy/health_care_reform_obama.fortune/
10:16 < benthemeek> An interesting read
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10:31 < polerin> Shadow404: ping
10:31 <@Shadow404> yessim
10:32 < polerin> got a min?
10:32 <@Shadow404> hit me
10:32 < polerin> and a phone where I can reach you ?
10:32 < polerin> lol
10:32 <@Shadow404> sure, one sec
10:41  * polerin pokes shadow with a spork
10:41 < polerin> thanks
10:41 < polerin> ;p
10:41 <@Shadow404> no problem, sorry i cant be of more help, but i rather not ever work in sales
10:41 <@Shadow404> hehe
10:42 <@Shadow404> but i hope i gave some good baseline infoz
10:42 < polerin> lol
10:42 < polerin> yeah, that's cool, trust me I understand
10:42 < polerin> I'm doing a lot of customer facing crap right now because I'm really the only one in the company with customer service skills
10:42 < polerin> XD
10:42 <@Shadow404> i dont have the cust service skills, i jsut pretend to from 9-5
10:44 < polerin> lol, s'ok
10:44 < polerin> I don't call anyone in here expecting customer service
10:44 < polerin> XD
10:44 < polerin> heheh
10:44 < polerin> not exactly the most...  low key bunch of people
10:46 <@Shadow404> heh, perfect way to get telemarketers to stop calling
10:46 <@Shadow404> answer with "el espanol
10:46 <@Shadow404> 90% success rate no callbacks
10:46 <@Shadow404> the 10% is when they exactly have a dual language operator
10:46 <@Shadow404> *actually
10:47 < polerin> they switch you over, and then you go "hey I was just fucking with you.  Put me on your do not call list and send me confirmation.  THanks bai."
10:48 <@Shadow404> heh, i just say, some curse words in spanish and hang up
10:48 <@Shadow404> or, if i feel really nasty, i just keep them excited they may get a sell, but drag on the call and eventually after 15 minutes i say im not interest, but give them false names and info the whole time
10:49 <@Corydon76-dig> http://features.outinamerica.com/2009/08/06/another-one-bites-the-dust/  SFW
10:49 <@Shadow404> or give them info/named/address of people i dont like
10:49 <@Shadow404> im sure someone that use to frequent this channel has got tons of spam mail from my exploits
10:49 < polerin> benthemeek: "freedoms" to get fucked over more like it.  The health insurance market is a racket
10:49 < polerin> pure and simple
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10:51 < benthemeek> *shurggs* I can't disaggree. I'm just hoping thye don't screw it up even more with well-meaning "reform"
10:51 < polerin> benthemeek: especially considering that one of the "freedoms" that they are touting is the ability for insurance companies to charge sick people more
10:51 < polerin> Which is one of the primary issues anyway
10:52 < polerin> benthemeek: Considering the fact that we spend more on our healthcare than most industrialized countries, and still have sub-standard care?   I think we can go a long way to improve things
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10:56 < benthemeek> polerin: I aggree. I think I am pragmatic before I am libertarian in this case. NPR was saying that amoung the top 18 indulstrialized nations we were last I think
10:56 <@Corydon76-dig> benthemeek: I'm not sure any of those are actually freedoms, now that I look it over... they all seem to be bandaids on the festering sore of health care
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10:57 < benthemeek> Well I am a strong beleiver in the free markets abilty to lower costs through competition and choice in general
10:57 < benthemeek> so some of the ideas of social medicine bother me a bit as that seems like it wont take place
10:57 <@Corydon76-dig> benthemeek: only with proper regulation to ensure that market players don't try to defeat the market
10:58 < benthemeek> but if it works well I cant really fault it
10:58 <@rhia> Corydon76-dig: about to say something nearly identical to that
10:58 <@Corydon76-dig> benthemeek: our latest recession was caused by market players fucking the market
10:59 < benthemeek> Corydon76-dig: yes and no, lenders who over extended themselves at the request of our own government
10:59 <@Corydon76-dig> Markets only work with perfect information, and we do not have perfect information.  Ever.
10:59 < polerin> benthemeek: the free market is not designed to promote the welfare of the consumer
10:59 < benthemeek> keeping the interest rate so low that the market could not correct itself and the lending just went out of control
10:59 < polerin> it's designed to maximize the benifit to the producer
10:59 < benthemeek> theres alot of fingers to point there
11:00 <@Corydon76-dig> benthemeek: that's a lie.  The government never requested the overextension, just fair loans
11:00 <@rhia> was the lenders that saw the ability to resell even bad loans and make a profit that pushed to buyers to overextend
11:00 < benthemeek> Many argue that the standard that was being used for loan approval would of prevented anything like this from happening
11:01 <@Corydon76-dig> benthemeek: what standard?
11:01 < benthemeek> When the standard was lessened we went into a bubble bust cycle as everyone tried to buy a house and in many cases more than they could afford
11:01 <@rhia> they dropped the standard over/under that lenders used for many years - by a large percentage
11:01 <@Corydon76-dig> Banks found out that they could sell the loans they created and retain zero liability
11:02 <@Corydon76-dig> benthemeek: it wasn't a government standard.  It was a standard created by private industry.  What government did under Bush was to look the other way while abuses mounted
11:03 <@rhia> used to be something like home should run no more that 25% gross/28% total expenditures - subprimes were using numbers closer to 38%/45% in a lot of cases
11:03 < benthemeek> Im not a defender of Bush, but the boom started in 98
11:03 <@Corydon76-dig> If Glass-Steagal had remained and hadn't been repealed by the Republican Congress, most of these problems never would have occurred
11:03 <@rhia> benthemeek: but it was the lenders that changed that, NOT the Fed or the government
11:03 < benthemeek> thats when the standard got lowered
11:04 <@Corydon76-dig> benthemeek: Glass-Steagal prevented banks from getting into other businesses
11:04 <@Corydon76-dig> Glass-Steagal was originally passed in 1934, as a direct response to the Great Depression
11:13 <@rhia> http://www.partiallyclips.com/index.php?id=1619&b=1
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12:49 <@Catonic> Shadow404: also, "Que?"
13:08 < polerin> benthemeek: also "many would argue" is weasleword
13:09 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: well, fallacy
13:09 < polerin> it's not a fallicy, because many MIGHT argue, but it's a bad argument for sure :P
13:10 < polerin> unless your saying "just because people would argue for it doesn't make it true."
13:10 <@Corydon76-dig> Right
13:10 < polerin> It's still a weasel word phrase
13:10 < polerin> trying to assert validity for something that has none without making an actual claim
13:11 <@Corydon76-dig> The exact fallacy is "appeal to the majority"
13:12 <@Corydon76-dig> argumentum ad populum
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14:26 <@sdodson> unixfg: http://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHSA-2009-1193.html
14:27 <@sdodson> FIXT
14:29 <@sdodson> 148 emails left to read
14:31 <@nachoguy> sexy
14:31 <@sdodson> nachoguy: wot?
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14:32 <@nachoguy> I like the RH bug page there.  there's a ton of info
14:34 <@sdodson> It's an errata kernel basically, but there was a specific bug that unixfg ran into. The libsas bug noted.
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15:03 <@Shadow404> meh, fix your own interwebs, im tired of your dumbs
15:22 <@nachoguy> anyone know if you can get asterisk stats (number of calls (sip,zap)) from /proc or any other way that doesn't require an 'asterisk -rx "core show channels"' type of thing?
15:26 <@Corydon76-dig> nachoguy: there are commands through AMI that will do that
15:26 <@Corydon76-dig> and AMI is explicitly intended to be used for machine parsing, whereas the CLI is intended for human eyes
15:29 <@nachoguy> Corydon, but wouldn't doing it from the AMI give you about the same overhead as the asterisk -rx ?
15:30 <@nachoguy> I figured if I could find some way for checking without having to ask asterisk directly, it might be quicker/less intense
15:31 <@Corydon76-dig> Only at the possible expense of not having the latest data
15:32 <@nachoguy> you're talking about fractions of a second out of date, which I can live with.
15:32 <@nachoguy> besides, even if you go the AMI route, by the time it's seen/interpreted it has possibly already changed
15:33 <@nachoguy> six of one
15:35 < benthemeek> weasel word <3 and here I have been critizing it in managment all this time and it grew in my own back yard ;)
15:36 <@Shadow404> seriously, why the fuck would you ask you ip service delivery provider to decipher your nmap for you
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15:51 <@nachoguy> Corydon.   ls -la /proc/`cat /var/run/asterisk.pid`/fd/ |awk '{print $10}' |grep -v '^/var/'|sed 's/:\[\(.*\)\]$//g'|sort|uniq -c ;  asterisk -rx "core show channels"|tail -2
15:52 < eryc> i love it when you talk dirty to me
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15:55 <@nachoguy> weird, on some of our systems that works ouyt to useful info, on other, not so much
15:56 <@nachoguy> things that involve /dev/zap/timer are dead on.  systems that don't use it aren't as helpful
16:01 < eryc> can you put both in shell scripts and run time ./script
16:09 <@nachoguy> eryc, what would that give me?  I know one is going to usually be slower than the other
16:12 <@Dagmar> Eh wot?
16:13 <@Dagmar> nachoguy: How much inaccuracy are we talking about, and are these things all running ntp clients?
16:15 <@nachoguy> no, it's not an issue with system time inaccuracy.  I'm trying to pull some asterisk stats without either using AMI or the 'asterisk -rx' method.  I scraped some of the info I wanted out of /proc, but while it worked dead on on some of our machines, on others, there was no correlation
16:15 <@nachoguy> well, not that I could plainly see
16:15 <@Dagmar> Ah
16:15 <@Dagmar> Ah gota mah new fone finally
16:15 <@Dagmar> Now I have to put the "Don't cost me a fucking fortune in CDPD charges" app on it
16:16 <@nachoguy> it depends on how asterisk is using/abusing /zap
16:16 <@nachoguy> CDPD?
16:16 <@Dagmar> Cellular packet data
16:16 <@Dagmar> i.e., "the data plan I'm not paying twice my normal bill for"
16:16 <@nachoguy> what'd you get?
16:16 <@Dagmar> The thing has wifi and I intend to make it use that if I need data
16:16 <@Dagmar> Palm 800w
16:16 <@nachoguy> I can't live without my inet service on the phone
16:17 <@Dagmar> I had to drive down to the damn post office IN THE RAIN (okay, well sprinkling at any rate) to go pick it up because the jackass shipped it USPS
16:17 <@Dagmar> Thankfully, eBay takes a dim view of that when someone pays $20 for UPS.
16:17 <@nachoguy> the Treo?  we dumped them about a year/year and a half ago.  they were a pain in the ass
16:18 <@Dagmar> It eliminates the need for the Palm T|X I'm carrying around anyway
16:18 <@Dagmar> ...plus the bluetooth amp on my Razr V3m is dying
16:18 <@Shadow404> make sure you send a him a lengthy grammatically superior angry email stating his wrongness and make sure to post the thread on a public viewing board for all to see and link to
16:18 <@Dagmar> I'm long overdue for a replacement
16:19 <@Dagmar> Shadow404: I'll settle for letting him explain it to eBay
16:19 <@nachoguy> we had older ones mind you, but the battery life was horrid, they'd crash all the time, and the mail app was useless (from what I was told)
16:19  * nachoguy loves his bb
16:19 <@Shadow404> big booty?
16:20 <@Dagmar> Well, I figure _just_ not having to deal with Blazer anymore will make up for anything else.
16:20 <@Dagmar> Blazer is shit, and they never bothered to patch it even once.
16:20 <@nachoguy> there are things I'd change if i could, but it's the best phone/handheld I've ever used
16:20 <@nachoguy> shadow, crackberry
16:20 <@Shadow404> i know
16:21 <@Dagmar> I wish people would quit coming up with new "micro" USB connectors
16:21 <@Dagmar> It's getting fuckin' annoying
16:23 <@nachoguy> new?
16:23 <@nachoguy> I thought that it was a standard
16:29 <@Dagmar> This makes three different ones now
16:32 <@nachoguy> fun
16:32 <@nachoguy> so are you on sprint, verizon, or a MVNO?
16:35 <@Dagmar> Sprint
16:37 <@nachoguy> do you guys have cricket?
16:37 <@Corydon76-dig> Yep, and clearwire
16:38 <@nachoguy> yeah, but clearwire doesn't do cellphones, afaik
16:39 <@nachoguy> cricket's prepaid plans seemed pretty good.  I'd consider it once my latest contract is up
16:40 <@nachoguy> $40/mo unlimited talk/text/intertron
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16:56 <@Corydon76-dig> nachoguy: clearwire has their own voip service, and their service works "anywhere"
16:59 <@nachoguy> ah, it's wimax, so I'm a bit hesitant to trust them for now.  it does look like fun though
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17:03 <@m0j0-j0j0> nachoguy: they trick with cricket is that you have to pay for roaming
17:04 <@m0j0-j0j0> or have a really small service area.  If I lived in raleigh I would do it, but since I'm in the middle of nowhere it didn't work out to well.
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17:08 <@m0j0-j0j0> screw it.. I'm going home
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18:42 <@sdodson> At what temperature do most people begin shutting down systems in a datacenter to avoid heat damage?
18:50 <@rattle> 100-110F ambient is kinda the ceiling.  When you hit 120, stuff starts to die.
18:51 <@rattle> In my experience, around 95F is when things start to malfunction.
18:52 <@sdodson> rattle: thanks.
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18:53 <@rattle> If you are working out a procedure..  I'd do something like once the ambient temperature hits 94F, shutdown everything but network, monitoring, and management systems.
18:54 <@rattle> You don't want to hit the 100F+ territory..  You wind up in the situation where you have massive trouble shutting down things cleanly.
18:59 <@rattle> Also, once you get into the 100F+ territory, the amount of heat stored in the room itself (concrete, metal, etc) is a very high.  Once cooling comes back online, the amount of time it takes to take a room down from 90F to 80F is probably over half the time to takes to go from 100F to 80F.
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19:00 <@rattle> s/over half/less than half/g
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19:01 <@rattle> Many joules..
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19:07 <@sdodson> rattle: My environment is 80% test systems, 10% networking infrastructure, 10% critical systems.
19:09 <@sdodson> So I think i'm going to draft that at 90F all test systems are shut down. At 95F critical servers are shut down, if temperatures don't drop below 95F initiate shutdown of data storage systems.
19:10 <@sdodson> With the size of the environment unless the entire building's A/C fails there should be no need to ever shut down critical systems. Opening the door and utilizing a blow should be sufficient to keep the critical systems online (about 1 rack)
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19:45 <@unixfg> sdodson: Thanks! I missed that!
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21:26 <@Dagmar> So far so good
21:26 <@Dagmar> I've only had to hard reset the phone three times
21:26 <@Dagmar> heh
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21:38 < ware> youre on the pre wagon too?
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22:41 <@Dagmar> Doh.  Four times.
22:42 <@Dagmar> Not a Pre.  An 800w.
22:42 <@Dagmar> It actually has wifi
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22:47 <@sdodson> http://www.fujinonbinos.com/  <--- view source
22:52 <@Dagmar> WOW
22:52 <@Dagmar> FONTFONTFONT
22:56 <@sdodson> [sdodson@rage Desktop]$ grep -c FONT www.fujinonbinos.com.htm
22:56 <@sdodson> 1760
22:56 <@sdodson> [sdodson@rage Desktop]$ grep -c -v FONT www.fujinonbinos.com.htm
22:56 <@sdodson> 331
22:56 <@Dagmar> Yeah, that's just completely over the top
22:56 <@Dagmar> ...with all the indenting they're going to need to account for their bandwidth in their quarterly reports
23:22 <@sdodson> http://www.edibleanus.com/ "Manufactured by hand in the UK"
23:34 <@Dagmar> Okay.  I think I've managed to snuff the phone trying to get on the cell network for data
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