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00:55 < ware> weeeeeeeeeee
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01:59 <@Evilpig> just found a post that claims my network card problem could be ram related.  I find this very unlikely but I have 2GB I can try when I get home.  that will piss me off cause I went to alot of trouble to get the right kind of memory for this board to ensure I would get 8GB working correctly
02:01 <@Dagmar> Don't tell me the thing needs that chunk of lower memory reserved to map it right
02:04 <@Evilpig> not sure.  this post is suggesting that he had a bad stick of memory that was causing it despite memtest running good for 48 hours straight
02:04 <@Evilpig> said they put the memory in another board and it lit up like a christmas tree with errors
02:05 <@Dagmar> The thing I'm thinking of is that the way an OS maps memory changes when you pass 4Gb
02:05 <@Dagmar> You know how you had to use that bloody switch to get XP to even care?
02:06 <@Evilpig> I'll try the 2 1GB sticks I have then if that works.  i'll try various combinations of the 2GB sticks I have
02:06 <@Dagmar> There's a number of comments in the linux kernel about hardware interfaces that need low memory left alone to function properly
02:06 <@Dagmar> Try going under 4Gb if you can
02:07 <@Evilpig> I'll know around 1 tomorrow
02:08 <@Evilpig> if there hadn't been an incident here a while back involving the feds I could try that tonight.  lol
02:09 <@Dagmar> hahah
02:09 <@Dagmar> Yeah, like, my laptop is generally always in that backpack I carry around, but it stays OFF until it's outside the office
02:10 <@Evilpig> I did consider bringing it in and putting it in the helpdesk to futz with tonight
02:10 <@Dagmar> I've updated Ubuntu on it twice there, but only across the hall in Help Desk
02:10 <@Evilpig> http://www.techsupportforum.com/hardware-support/ram-power-supply-support/248808-solved-off-wall-crc-errors-moved-m-boards.html
02:10 <@Dagmar> Oh.
02:11 <@Dagmar> Be sure and check the BIOS carefully for anything that sounds like it's describing memory mapping.
02:11 <@Evilpig> I've been in there alot.
02:11 <@Dagmar> You'll want it on, probably
02:11 <@Evilpig> even went as far as disabling the pata controller, all the usb stuff, sound card, etc
02:12 <@Dagmar> Nah the thing won't be in with the peripheral controls
02:12 <@Dagmar> They're still using Award, right?
02:12 <@Dagmar> I know ASRock switch to mainly AMI
02:12 <@Evilpig> don't remember
02:12 <@Evilpig> it has something weird with it though called express gate
02:12 <@Dagmar> Probably more embedded controller fabbery
02:13 <@Dagmar> er fappery
02:13 <@Evilpig> some kind of instant on internet support
02:13 <@Dagmar> Yeah since chips are so freakin' cheap now some people are putting rinkydink secondary controllers on their boards for stuff like that
02:14 <@Dagmar> A ten dollar ARM chip and 512Mb of flash ram and you can have Linux built into the motherboard
02:14 <@Dagmar> ...and it'd be comfy
02:15 <@Dagmar> Without digging through miles of kernel notes, this MS KB is as detailed as i've hit so far http://support.microsoft.com/kb/929605
02:16 <@Dagmar> I suspect the mechanism for mapping the interface for your NIC is failing in some way
02:16 <@Dagmar> *might* be that the driver is too lame to handle it yet
02:16 <@Dagmar> Have you tried like, an Ubuntu live CD on it?
02:17 <@Dagmar> Ah more detail http://duartes.org/gustavo/blog/post/motherboard-chipsets-memory-map
02:17 <@Dagmar> There's a degree to which dealing with stuff beyond 4Gb of RAM is still new to home PC devs
02:19 <@Evilpig> I have the ubuntu 9.10 install cd.  I have the live downloaded but didn't try it
02:19 <@Evilpig> the installer had the same network problem
02:19 <@Dagmar> o.O
02:19 <@Dagmar> They're the same thing
02:19 <@Dagmar> The live CD is the installer
02:19 <@Evilpig> the 9.10 server is live?
02:19 <@Evilpig> it only gave me an option to install
02:20 <@Dagmar> I dunno about the "server" disk but the "normal" workstationy disk is a live CD with an icon on the screen that basically says "CliK ME 2 INSTALL"
02:20 <@Dagmar> You click it, and it goes to work slapping things on your disks while you can just swap back and keep browsing the interwebs
02:21 <@Evilpig> this looks more like a fbsd installer.  you pick the language and then it configs the nic and starts to layout the disks
02:21 <@Dagmar> The only ultimate difference between the two installs as far as I know is a slight difference in preferences for apt
02:21 <@Dagmar> I mean, after all it is Linux.
02:23 <@Evilpig> can't do too much more.  once I get home I'll drop the ram down to two sticks so it's 4GB then try.  then i'll try my two 1GB sticks and give it a go
02:24 <@Evilpig> http://my.asus.com/products.aspx?modelmenu=1&model=2837&l1=3&l2=149&l3=676&l4=0  <-- board
02:26 <@Dagmar> Hopefulyl it's not a remapping issue, that'll require a BIOS fix and they're a little slow
02:31 <@Evilpig> the board specs say it shoudl support up to 16GB of memory however the largest memory kit they have on their certified list is 4GB as a set of 2 dimms
03:35 <@Dagmar> Sounds like foreshadowing
03:35 <@Dagmar> Might be worth looking at asus.com.tw or the site of the manuf for the ethernet chipset for something alpha-quality
04:05 <@Evilpig> nvidia
04:05 <@Evilpig> can't find dick on the chipset alphawise
04:05 <@Evilpig> beta isnt too promising either
04:06 <@Evilpig> if you look under the nforce stuff they don't even list the 8300 like it doesn't exist
04:43 <@Catonic> hullo
04:43 <@Catonic> my name is forrest
04:43 <@Catonic> forrest punk
05:04 <@Evilpig> degaussing yay!
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09:09 <@polerin> http://games.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1322357
09:09 <@polerin> **headdesk**
09:14 < ware> roffles
09:15 < ware> polerin: are you part of TrueGrit?
09:15 <@polerin> OHNOZ THEY BE FORCIN BLACK CHARCTERS AND WIOMEENS IN MEY GAMES
09:15 <@polerin> I played in thier servers for a bit why?
09:15 < ware> just wondering,
09:15 < ware> cause i play there too
09:15 < ware> think  someninja said you did
09:16 <@polerin> I don't play on the monster.
09:16 <@polerin> I occasionally still pop into the #2
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12:05 <@Dagmar> Clearly they didn't ask any Neilsen players of WoW
12:05 <@Dagmar> ...because if most of the little boys polluting trade chat had any clue that according to Neilsen, adult women spend more time playing the game than adult men, they'd be too scared to login.
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13:16 <@polerin> Dagmar: heh
13:19 <@polerin> actually there's a post up about that kind of shit... I'll link you later.  prolly wont like it but it's worth a reed
13:19 <@polerin> er
13:19 <@polerin> read.  damn phone kb
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19:28 <@m0j0-j0j0> troll.
19:29  * [1NF0] tries to look innocent
19:32 <@m0j0-j0j0> less of an accusation and more of a ... verb
19:33 < [1NF0]> troll (verb): to troll
19:33 < [1NF0]> (dictionary entries like that drive me nuts) ;)
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19:34 <@m0j0-j0j0> I figured since someone would call me out for a crafty troll I would just save myself the effort
19:35 < [1NF0]> ahh.  Thanks for the foresight
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19:38 <@m0j0-j0j0> brimstone: I don't like standing in judgment of others,, especially on really superficial stuff, but this David guy in BB is by far the ugliest person on TV.
19:39 <@brimstone> BB? David? judgment? TV?
19:40 <@m0j0-j0j0> *shrug* nm..  I'm just trying to imagine having the be the elephant man's roomate
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