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00:08 <@dasunt> http://xkcd.com/ <- I laughed.
00:08 <@dasunt> That probably isn't a good sign.
00:09 <@Catonic> shite
00:09 <@Catonic> it's midnight already
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01:02 < miniMerc> i was typing that shit, ya fuck, not pasting it
01:11 < Jagobah> One last check, if anyone here has experience with Seagate drives from 500GB - 1.5TB that mysteriously died i.e. can't be read from BIOS without power cycle..... success/horror stories welcome, let me know
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01:12 < sco> hi anyone know about pf (openbsd's firewall)
01:13 < miniMerc> i used to
01:13 < sco> specifically with ipv6
01:13 < miniMerc> i had a huge pf script
01:13 < miniMerc> but that was years ago
01:13 < sco> it's blocking all out bound connections and i dont have a block all anywhere
01:14 < sco> ipv4 is fine
01:14 < miniMerc> it probably blocks by default?
01:14 < miniMerc> i dunno anything about ipv6
01:14 < sco> only thing diff is using proto6 instead of proto
01:14 < miniMerc> try opening and then running your rules?
01:14 < sco> or some shit
01:15 <@Dagmar> Bleh.
01:15 <@Dagmar> Got home without getting even damp
01:16 <@Dagmar> for a first time riding in the rain, I'll take it.
01:16 <@Dagmar> sco: Your routes are hosed then
01:17 < sco> ipv6 worked right before i enabled the firewal
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01:28 < sco> pass out on $WAN inet6 proto udp from
01:28 < sco> pass quick on $ext_if proto ipv6
01:28 < sco> i mean
01:28 < sco> yeah that got ipv6 back up
01:29 <@Catonic> yeah, because it's obsd, if you don't allow it, it aint leavin
01:30 <@Catonic> don't forget that an ipv6 frame has different headers and ip fields than v4.
01:30 <@Dagmar> Oh you had NO rules in
01:30 <@Dagmar> Yeah that would stop it
01:30 < sco> no i had rules in but not the right ones ;p
01:30 < sco> Catonic: im doing this on fbsd but yea
01:31 <@Catonic> ipf, pf, ipfw?
01:31 < sco> pf
01:32 <@Dagmar> OBSD seems less tolerant of amateurs like that
01:32 < sco> i'm still confused wether or not i need diff wan interfaces since it uses a gif device for the tunnel or just use my wan interface
01:38 <@Dagmar> Considering the number of times I've seen someone thinking iptables was doing something for them just because they enabled it is greater than zero, I have a hard time disagreeing with them
01:49 <@Catonic> yo dawg. I heard you liked teh intarweb so I put teh paketz in ur paketz.
01:49 <@Catonic> or: Xibit, CCNA explains GRE.
01:56 <@Evilpig> it's a woot off tonight
02:12 <@Catonic> I have got to stay away from 4chan.
02:16 <@Catonic> I met this cute chick at a party. Things go well, I'm gonna show her my w00t face.
02:29 < miniMerc> good lord
02:29 < miniMerc> it sure does take a long time to configure your WoW interface from scratch
02:29 < miniMerc> after all that work i dont feel like playing
02:29 < miniMerc> also it appears ive been kicked out of my guild
02:36 < Jagobah> after more searching, I might just have to do all this
02:36 < Jagobah> http://www.mapleleafmountain.com/seagatebrick.html
02:36 < Jagobah> : (
02:41 < miniMerc> Jagobah: backups sound easier
02:42 < Jagobah> It does but the drive was near full when it went under....this is gonna be a huge hassle
02:42 < miniMerc> lame
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02:50 <@Evilpig> the google voice widget is pretty nifty.  http://blog.wilpig.org/archives/2009/07/i-got-my-google.html
03:08 <@Catonic> http://www.thisoldhouse.com/toh/photos/0,,20290999_20644625,00.html
03:09 <@Catonic> I'd never use an oven, but that's neat.
03:09 <@Catonic> and possibly an electrocution hazard.
03:50 <@Evilpig> network solutions can be so slow sometimes
04:44 < Jagobah> time to agonize over why my HD won't work
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05:05 < miniMerc> my bowels ache
05:28 <@Evilpig> thanks for sharing
06:11 <@Evilpig> ken's sushi any good?
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08:32 <@Evilpig> bored bored bored
08:39 <@Drag0n`> plank, plank, plank
08:40 <@opticron> wood wood wood
08:42 <@Evilpig> all this wood is just begging for the place to be set on fire
08:42 <@opticron> that's what she said
08:49 <@rhia> http://www.themercury.com.au/article/2009/07/22/86135_fun-weird-news.html
08:52 <@rhia> check out 'Would you call Dmitri" as well - and don't be a Dmitri
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09:02 <@opticron> http://russiatoday.ru/Top_News/2009-04-16/Fir_tree_man_shocks_doctors.html
09:02 <@opticron> crazy russians
09:17 <@Corydon76-dig> rhia: that "Dmitri" message has made several rounds around the Internet already
09:17 <@Corydon76-dig> It's at least 6 months old
09:23 <@rhia> not on my radar before, shrug
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09:29 < daswork> I swear, I work with the mentally retarded.
09:30 <@nachoguy> there are retards everywhere
09:30 <@nachoguy> I wish i worked for b-tards
09:30 < daswork> Is a b tard a higher grade of retard?
09:31 <@Evilpig> no
09:32 <@Evilpig> they're like that kind with super retard strength but it's like a sea of lemmings with super retard strength, yes
09:32 <@nachoguy> but at least btards are funny
09:32 <@Evilpig> they can be
09:32 <@Evilpig> I have my favorite btard poem.  lemme find it
09:33 <@nachoguy> also, they're all on the same page
09:33 <@Evilpig> http://wilpig.org/temp/1231542049542.jpg
09:33 <@Evilpig> oh and that link is NSF2600
09:33 <@nachoguy> booo
09:33 <@nachoguy> little late on that
09:34 <@sdodson> hi
09:34 <@nachoguy> mr0nin sdodson
09:34 < daswork> Oh, are you talking about 4chan?
09:34 < daswork> That site is the strongest argument for a eugenics program.
09:34 <@nachoguy> yes
09:34 <@sdodson> nachoguy: what's up?
09:34 <@sdodson> daswork: omg i love that site
09:34 <@sdodson> best gardening tips EVER
09:34 <@nachoguy> just trying to get by
09:35 < daswork> sdodson: Please check yourself in at the nearerst sterilization clinic kthxbai.
09:36 <@Evilpig>  /b/ is the cesspool of the intarwebz.  it's a magic place
09:36 <@Corydon76-dig> daswork: He doesn't need to.  His personality is a birth control device
09:36 <@sdodson> I don't do /b/
09:36 <@sdodson> Corydon76-dig: eat a dick
09:36 <@Corydon76-dig> sdodson: did, this morning
09:37 <@Evilpig> if you know of 4chan then you've had to dip your toe in the /b/ waters at least once
09:37 <@sdodson> Corydon76-dig: ok, now stfu
09:37 <@sdodson> your personality sucks too
09:37 <@Corydon76-dig> sdodson: I sleep with guys primarily, and I think I've slept with more women than you
09:38 <@Shadow404> Evilpig: love that photoshop jpg
09:38 <@Shadow404> hahaha
09:39  * Evilpig takes a bow
09:39 <@Evilpig> I found it amusing and had to keep it
09:42 <@Evilpig> that woot off item sold lightning fast "GE 7" Photo Frame with DECT 6.0 Cordless Phone"
09:42 < polerin> I've actually submitted a photo to /b/
09:42 < polerin> (yeah I don't go there much now :P )
09:43 < polerin> http://img.eclexia.net/photos/garden_of_wang.jpg
09:45 <@Shadow404> hah, awesome
09:47 <@sdodson> Corydon76-dig: different objectives in life
09:47 < polerin> my objective in life is to read good books under a tree on a warm day
09:47 <@Corydon76-dig> sdodson: so, are you presenting at any conferences this year?
09:47 <@Shadow404> my objective (short term) is to piss off sdodson in anyway possible, cause he's to much of an up tight bitch
09:48  * Shadow404 bows
09:48 <@sdodson> Corydon76-dig: no
09:48 <@sdodson> Corydon76-dig: what are you talking about?
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09:48 <@Shadow404> my point exactly
09:49 <@Corydon76-dig> http://www.astricon.net/confSpeakers.aspx
09:49 <@Shadow404> cuz, irc iz srz biz
09:54 <@rhia> http://richardwiseman.wordpress.com/
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10:00 <@Shadow404> rhia: its a woman wearing high heeled shoes and those are the straps
10:00 <@Shadow404> yeah, my first thought was her ass
10:00 <@Evilpig> same
10:00 <@Evilpig> I liked my first thought better too
10:01 <@rhia> i immediately saw heels & ankles, THEN saw where it kinda looked like a butt in a g-string
10:03 < polerin> heh
10:08 <@Shadow404> there are someone blessed/have the physique through physical effort cut out to wear a gstring, and then there are some, that just shouldnt wear them at all
10:08 <@Shadow404> *some women
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10:14 <@Shadow404> improper grammar sdodson
10:14 <@sdodson> Shadow404: I was simply correcting your spelling.
10:15 <@Shadow404> you kick message was not written correctly
10:15 <@Shadow404> you are missing a "it" before the 'is'
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10:18 <@Evilpig> Sam Raimi to direct the World of Warcraft Movie http://www.blizzard.com/us/press/090721.html
10:29 <@m0j0-j0j0> sdodson: you're going to smell like curry.
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10:50 < polerin> mmm currrrryyyyy
10:50 < polerin> haz munchewesesesesfasfs.
10:50 < polerin> Blarharg.
10:51 <@sdodson> m0j0-j0j0: why's that?
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11:18 <@m0j0-j0j0> sdodson: I stayed at an Indian hotel once for 2 days and it took a month to get the smell off my clothing and body
11:20 <@Shadow404> m0j0-j0j0: wait, he doesnt smell like that already?
11:20 <@Shadow404> mixed with an industrial waste facility
11:22 <@m0j0-j0j0> pray your suitcase gets lost on the return flight
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12:06 <@Dementia> I had to deal with some lost luggage once, and while I was in line, another woman came in with her suitcase - she had just flown in from New Orleans and her luggage smelled funny. Turns out there had been a shipment of shrimp or crawfish in the hold and her luggage had fallen into the water from it.
12:07 <@nachoguy> eew
12:09 <@Dementia> When the smell hit the rest of the room it was pretty gag-inducing.
12:12 <@Dagmar> I wonder how you file the claim on that
12:12 <@Dagmar> "My luggage wasn't lost--I just don't want it anymore"
12:12 <@Shadow404> destruction of property
12:12 <@Dementia> They gave her a new piece of luggage and I think some money for dry cleaning
12:12 <@Shadow404> probably get reimbursed up to a certain valuie level
12:14 <@Dementia> I make every attempt these days to travel with just a carryon and a backpack
12:15 <@Dagmar> I would ratehr Amtrak expand their service routes, personally.
12:15 <@nachoguy> I try to travel with carrion
12:15 <@Dagmar> I've had enough abuse from the airlines
12:15 <@nachoguy> but they won't let me =(
12:15 <@Dementia> I kinda got soured on Amtrak when I tried to travel from Chicago -> St. Louis this past christmas season
12:16 <@nachoguy> screw amtrack.  3 hour flight (with a 1 or 2 hour delay) vs 24 hour train ride (with a 36 hour delay)
12:16 <@Dementia> I waited in Union Station for 8 hours before they finally got a train running for us
12:16 <@nachoguy> amtrack is a mess
12:16 <@nachoguy> even when they're ontime, they're more expensive and take longer to get anywhere
12:17 <@Dementia> I think I checked on a ride to Dallas TX, it was 22 hours and $250 whereas a flight was $300
12:17 <@nachoguy> the trainride was still cheaper?
12:17 <@Dementia> r/t of course
12:17 <@Dementia> only barely
12:18 <@nachoguy> I looked years ago to take a train down to nashville, and it cost more than the flight, and would have taken longer than if I had driven (if it arrived on time)
12:19 <@nachoguy> My firend's mother took a ride from chi to the quad cities.  it was supposed to be like a 2.5 hour train ride.  it took 9.5 hours.
12:20 <@Dementia> Also, amtrak doesn't go through nashville
12:20 <@nachoguy> no?
12:20 <@Dementia> You'd have to get off and take a bus for a few hours
12:20 <@nachoguy> ah
12:20 <@nachoguy> that may have been it
12:22 <@Dagmar> It would beat letting some TSA asswipe fondle my gear
12:22 <@nachoguy> They're starting to do searches
12:22 <@nachoguy> not as hardcore as Airlines, but more than they used to
12:23 <@rhia> ah, Greyhound, for when you want the fun of being surrounded by convicts w/o the hassle of going to a prison
12:23 <@Dementia> What pissed me off the worst about my holiday trip with amtrak is that they didn't have any system for telling us what was going on
12:23 <@nachoguy> they just busted some coke ring that had been transporting the stuff on amtrak
12:23 <@Dagmar> Yeah but I'll take the devil I don't know in this case
12:23 <@Dementia> All they had was a lady that would occasionaly come out and shout something but nobody could hear her unless they were right next to her
12:24 <@Dementia> After 8 hours of that we were all about to riot
12:32 <@sdodson> hi
12:32 <@sdodson> It's 24 hours on a plane. I'm NOT looking forward to that.
12:35 <@Corydon76-dig> 24 motherfucking hours on this motherfucking plane?
12:38 <@Shadow404> almost as bad as atlanta to tokyo
12:38 <@Shadow404> but that was a fun landing, especially the pond hopper to hong kong
12:39 <@Shadow404> both of those airports make for fun landings
12:39 <@Shadow404> especially when the airplane has a nose cam you can watch on the inseat video
12:39 < coil> wat
12:39 < coil> oh cam on the nose of the plane
12:40 < coil> that's cool
12:40 < coil> what type of plane was tat
12:40 <@Shadow404> yeah, it was a 737 flown by air france
12:40 <@Shadow404> they turn it on for final and taxi
12:41 < coil> noice
12:41 <@Shadow404> was pretty cool for the take off bit
12:41 <@Shadow404> got to see how many people were in front of ya
12:44 <@Drag0n`> yeah, SAS has the same, a nose, wheel and underbelly cam, you can see in frot, where the wheels are pointing and down below from your seats
12:45 <@Drag0n`> as well as listen to the radio channel the pilots are on with airtraffic control
12:52 <@Shadow404> that would be cool
12:53 <@Drag0n`> it was definetly entertaining
12:54 <@Drag0n`> everyone thinks the ATC radio net is sooo proper, but sometimes it can be soooo funny with the side comments
12:56 <@Drag0n`> http://www.businessballs.com/airtrafficcontrollersfunnyquotes.htm
12:58 < polerin> ahaha, the lights are awesome
12:58 < polerin> "guess where"
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13:05 <@Drag0n`> lol    A huge C-5 cargo plane was sitting near where a small plane was waiting to take off. The private pilot got a little nervous because the military plane was closer than normal, and asked the tower to find out the intentions of the C-5. Before the tower could reply, a voice came over the radio as the C-5's nose cargo doors opened, saying, "I'm going to eat you."
13:06 <+sung> hahahahahahahahaha
13:17 <@Dementia> dammit Drag0n` stop posting such good links
13:17 <@Drag0n`> hehe
13:18 <@Drag0n`> Tower: “Delta 351, you have traffic at 10 o’clock, 6 miles!”
13:18 <@Drag0n`> Delta 351: “Give us another hint! We have digital watches!”
13:19 <@Dagmar> Hnmm...
13:19 <@Dagmar> Didn't touchpads come out before 1999?
13:21 <@Drag0n`> http://www.smilespedia.com/funny-air-traffic-controllers-quotes/
13:22 <@Dementia> Dagmar: wikipedia says 1983
13:22 <@Dementia> ish
13:22 <@Dagmar> Yeah, I'm having a hard time seeing how this patent troll mentioned on Firehose has a case
13:22 <@Dagmar> He applied for his patent on touchpads in 1999 and claimed he's the inventor
13:23 <@Dagmar> Epic fail.
13:23 <@Dementia> hmm, not so much.
13:23 <@Dagmar> It looks like he fails for patenting gestures on touchpads without patenting gestures
13:24 <@Dagmar> Apple's going to fuck him up the ass
13:26 <@Dementia> lol he's going up against Apple?
13:27 <@Dagmar> Yep.
13:27 <@Dagmar> He's going to fail, fail, fail.
13:27 <@Dagmar> ...and he'll lose his patent.
13:28 <@Dagmar> Courts arent' nice to people who patent preexisting technology
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13:35 <@Drag0n`> zap gun for hire
13:43 <@Shadow404> warehouse 13?
13:43 <@Drag0n`> nope, buck godot
13:44 <@Drag0n`> comic
13:48 <@rhia> guess Parahexavoctal was too long to type
13:48 <@Drag0n`> i prefer winslow
13:50 <@rhia> rather fond of Dem Five myself
13:50 <@Drag0n`> hehe
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13:50 <@Dagmar> Type `. /filename.bat` and then close the Windows prompt
13:50 <@Dagmar> wrong channel
13:50 <@rhia> she has the best almost-clothes
13:51 < Jagobah> well the worst has come true, the drive is as good as dead
13:51 < Jagobah> So, anyone have experience with Seagate customer service xD ?
13:52 <@Drag0n`> i have had good results, but ymmv
13:52 <@Dagmar> Man up and call them already
13:52 <@Dagmar> You don't need someone to hold your hand while you talk to warranty returns
13:53 < fall0ut> hey anybody familiar with colocation/datacenter space in Nashville?
13:54 < Jagobah> Well I just wanted a baseline of what to expect
13:54 <@Dagmar> You could say that
13:54 < Jagobah> If they're shoddy I just won't bother
13:59 <@critch> fall0ut: been in one on 3rd and commerce for about 8 years
13:59 <@critch> fall0ut: use to be Inflow, but now Sungard. I'd steer clear of Dolphini unless downtime is acceptable.
14:02 < rattleXw> I've had equipment in the InFlow/Sungard facility before as well.  We only had one outage in about 4 years.  Transformer explosion that somehow took out their power system too.
14:03 < rattleXw> In general, it's a good facility.
14:03 <@critch> rattleXw: I was returning from getting my motorcycle then. That was Fire Marshall and NES told them they had to shut down the generator to eliminate back feed while they changed the transformer out.
14:04  * Jagobah medic ringer pm
14:04 <@Dagmar> Well...
14:04 <@Dagmar> Looks like from now on when you cross a state line you have to take your weapons out and wave them around as you do so.
14:04 <@Dagmar> That should be fun.
14:05 <@Dagmar> critch: Wow.  It's great that that company is so willing to give the mentally handicapped a chance
14:06 <@critch> not following.
14:07 < fall0ut> critch: we're in 3rd and commerce (6th floor) with our dc, but we're looking to expand
14:07 <@Dagmar> I can't see how a fully functional brain would have engineered a solution with that particular failure mode.
14:07 < fall0ut> just trying to figure out if there is a need for more colocation
14:07 <@Dagmar> They must have hired a retarded contractor to lay out the wiring for the generator.
14:07 < fall0ut> or if we should just meet our needs for it and not try to sell colocation
14:07 <@Dagmar> *must*
14:07 < rattleXw> critch: Yes, you are correct..  I remember that now.
14:08 <@critch> Dagmar: they didn't, the fire marshal asked if NES would garantee the safety of the firefighters while dealing with the transformer, they said no, so the fire marshall told Inflow to cut the generator off.
14:08 < fall0ut> we've been downstairs from sungard for years and we never had issues when they blew stuff up
14:08 <@Dagmar> Ah, so the short bus is delivering employees to NES then
14:08 <@Dagmar> Not suprising
14:09 <@critch> Yeah, supposedly after that incident, they set up plans with the fire marshall for any future problems.
14:09 <@critch> fall0ut: There is always a need for more colo. And Good colo is hard to come by, but should have more compitition.
14:10 < fall0ut> we're looking at building 10-12k sq ft
14:10 < fall0ut> 1000+w/sq ft
14:10 < fall0ut> and trying to be carrier neutral
14:10 < fall0ut> but we've got tons of connectivity all over the state
14:10 <@critch> fall0ut: You have 2 options there, go for good quality and try and meet high standards for access control, or go for being cheap.
14:10 < fall0ut> because of the type of stuff we do, it has to be high standards
14:11 < fall0ut> because our gear will be in there
14:11 <@critch> so far as I know, Inflow is the only place that is reliable and has good access control in Nashville.
14:11 <+sung> seriously fall0ut
14:11 <+sung> taking advice from #se2600 ?
14:11 <@critch> Dolphini has good access control, but he is bad about having long outages.
14:11 < fall0ut> I don't know the f'n market in Nashville
14:12 <@critch> I think there is another called Nexus, I was told it is the people from ISDN.net, and I know that during their stint in NREP, they helped a person steal a monitor.
14:13 < fall0ut> my only concern is if we build this out
14:13 < fall0ut> we won't fill it up
14:13 <@critch> Well, from a business stand point, how much do you need to fill to repay the investment and the recurrings?
14:15 < fall0ut> depends on what we can charge
14:18 <@critch> Yeah, no one really publishes rates much. Butler shows what can be priced easily enough, but I don't know where the colo they use is located.
14:19 <@critch> I know there are some other colo spaces in some of the phone switch buildings. Level 3(used to be Telcove(used to be Adelphia)), XO, and I was told Bellsouth/AT&T had some space near town.
14:20 < fall0ut> the problems with that stuff
14:20 < fall0ut> is enterprises don't fit
14:20 < fall0ut> no AC power available, etc
14:20 <@critch> umm, Some do have AC power, you just don't get the UPS thrown in on AC.
14:20 < fall0ut> we're in the level3 space(s) (perimeter drive & sidco drive) XO, and some BellSouth spaces
14:21 <@critch> The DC power is usually run from the battery packs for the switches.
14:21 <@critch> You can get servers now on 48v PSUs
14:21 < fall0ut> we do everything DC
14:21 < fall0ut> I know, but the problem is reselling space to an enterprise colo customer
14:21 < fall0ut> they don't want -48vdc
14:22 < fall0ut> they want backed up AC power
14:22 <@critch> I'm just pointing out the spaces I know about.
14:22 < fall0ut> yea
14:22 < fall0ut> sungard isn't very carrier neutral, are they?
14:23 <@critch> They don't mind you bringing in circuits from anywhere.
14:24 <@critch> It makes it nice though if you can ride in via the DS3 or similar since deploy time is faster.
14:24 < fall0ut> weve had issues in the past dealing with them
14:24 < fall0ut> we sell a few circuits going to them upstairs, and it's been painful in the past
14:25 <@critch> Our last circuits we had installed had lots of issues since the carrier wanted to ride AT&T copper in, and AT&T didn't want to extend it past the 1st floor parking garage.
14:25 <@critch> fall0ut: who are you with?
14:42 <@sdodson> the dismal state of pulse audio is embarassing
15:00 < polerin> Critch!
15:00  * polerin pounces
15:00 < polerin> :D
15:00 < polerin> hi you
15:01 <@m0j0-j0j0> sdodson: there you go again with the glass half empty.  You should look at it as a tool for talking down to people.
15:01 <@tzanger> aww yeah
15:01 <@Dagmar> Nope
15:01 <@tzanger> guess who just built his own ignition control module
15:01 <@Dagmar> It's useless for that
15:02 <@Dagmar> About the only thing running pulseaudio tells people is that you don't use sound much
15:15 <@sdodson> m0j0-j0j0: please provide more advice.
15:15  * nachoguy does not use sound much
15:15 <@nachoguy> ergo
15:15  * nachoguy uses pulseaudio
15:15 <@sdodson> I listen to music at work via pandora on my pre because pulseaudio sucks so much
15:17 <@m0j0-j0j0> I listen to streaming radio over my phone at work too, but it's because my company has rules about streaming media
15:17 <@m0j0-j0j0> which... I don't know why I bother since half the people in my dept. spend all day watching youtube
15:23 <@sdodson> lulz
15:23 <@sdodson> youtube isn't blocked?
15:27 <@Shadow404> we have nothing blockd at my work
15:27 <@Shadow404> except outbound ports
15:27 <@Shadow404> or at least in the noc nothing is blocked for troubleshooting
15:29 < coil> ur mom blocked my tubes last night
15:29 < coil> pegging me all night
15:33 <@rhia> how often have sitting elected presidents _formally and publicly_ debated a member of Congress for anything BUT election/re-election?
15:33 <@Shadow404> coil: she said you paid her to block your tubes
15:34 <@Shadow404> hey whatever floats your boat, but keep it to yourself
15:55 <@m0j0-j0j0> sdodson: nope.. I wish they would so I can get some work out of these folks
15:55 <@m0j0-j0j0> the log it
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16:08 <@Catonic> It drank good, don't it?
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16:35 < coil> hi anyone know about car audio
16:37 <@sdodson> coil: got some rockford 10s on my bicycle!
16:38 < coil> ok well heres the deal, my car battery keeps dying after like 6 months
16:38 < coil> alternator has been replaced about two or three year ago
16:39 < coil> this has only been a problem within the last year when i added another amplifier for the speakers
16:39 < coil> i have a 4ch 500w amp and a mono 750w for the 12" sub
16:39 < coil> well it's prolly two channel and not mono
16:41 < coil> so someone suggested that i get my alternator rebuilt to put out more amps to keep the battery charged because its apparently not keeping the battery charged enough
16:41 < coil> is that guy full of shit?
16:43 <@Dagmar> Buy a more powerful one maybe
16:43 <@Dagmar> Rebuilding it isn't going to do shit unless it's worn down
16:44 < coil> well i already have the most powerful one avail for my car (105 amp)
16:44 <@Dagmar> You might need a second one then
16:44 < coil> another person suggested using a capacitor
16:44 <@Dagmar> ...or LESS STEREO
16:45 < coil> it's not even that powerful
16:45 <@Dagmar> A capacitor isn't going to do anything about the fact that your power is being consumed faster than the alternator can restock it
16:45 <@Dagmar> Okay so if you have a "normal" stereo then it's just time to get a new alternator
16:45 <@Dagmar> ...either that or your battery is fudged.
16:46 < coil> just got battery replaced
16:46 < coil> but it's going to die in 6 months again
16:46 <@Corydon76-dig> Or keep a jump battery in your trunk, like I do
16:46 < coil> if i dont get this fixed
16:47 <@Corydon76-dig> http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/navigate.do?dest=5&item=397102
16:47 < coil> a jump battery?
16:47 <@Corydon76-dig> Recharges off household current
16:47 <@Corydon76-dig> Charge it once a month, then it's an easy jump-start when you need it
16:47 < coil> the last time i tried to jump start it, the battery was so low it wouldn't jump
16:47 < coil> and it wouldn't accept a charge
16:48 < coil> so something is obviously wrong
16:48 <@Corydon76-dig> Then you were doing the jump incorrectly
16:48 <@Corydon76-dig> Jump doesn't require a battery
16:48 < coil> well i didn't disconnect the battery
16:48 < coil> i would have been stuck at school if i jumped it
16:48 <@Corydon76-dig> Were you perhaps connecting the black wire to the negative terminal instead of the block?
16:49 < coil> no i hooked it up to the block
16:49 <@Dagmar> by the way
16:49 <@Dagmar> Verisign can go fuck themselves
16:49 <@Dagmar> I've got this bullshit advisory here from them... in the subject line... "Exploit of 0-day Vulnerability in Adobe Acrobat and Reader - Action Recommended"
16:49 <@Dagmar> Sorry you sad fucks, it's not 0-day--it's been going on for weeks.
16:49 < coil> luckily autozone has 3 year replacement on there duralast batteries, i've had to replace it at least 5 times already
16:54 <@Dagmar> There needs to be a rule syaing that if it's been going on for longer than two weeks, and you call it "0-day" instead of "unpatched" you get a rabid porcupine shoved up your ass
16:54 <@Corydon76-dig> Dagmar: for some reason, they get referred to as 0-days, if the vendor still hasn't released a patch.  I never understood it, either.
16:54 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-dig: it's just a lie
16:54 <@Dagmar> Let's not mince words
16:55 <@Dagmar> 0-day implies the vendor hasn't had time to react--not that they've just been sitting on the problem
16:56 <@Corydon76-dig> Eh, after having been the point man for a company's security releases, I kind of understand not releasing a patch immediately
16:56 <@Dagmar> Yeah but this has been ongoing for about a month now
16:56 <@Dagmar> It's time to stop coddling them and say "FUCKING FIX IT ALREADY"
16:56 <@Corydon76-dig> Gotta make sure it doesn't break anything worse than the existing problem
16:57 <@Dagmar> They've got shit up and on the front lines of the internet, so to speak
16:57 <@Corydon76-dig> Well, so do we
16:57 <@Dagmar> If they can't handle managing updates, they need to stop vending their _shit_
16:57 <@sdodson> What good is a security update if it causes data corruption?
16:57 <@sdodson> You don't want them to QA it first?
16:58 <@Corydon76-dig> Or worse, makes the product so unuseable that nobody applies the security fix.  That's even worse than having no update, because it lends a false sense of having 'fixed' the problem.
16:59 <@sdodson> I think you mean like every oracle update out there.
16:59 <@Corydon76-dig> Dunno, I've never had to manage an Oracle product in production
16:59 <@Dagmar> If it's unusable then unisntalling it shoudn't be a problem
17:00 <@Corydon76-dig> Again, way too simplistic.
17:00 <@sdodson> coil: why do you have all that shit?
17:00 <@Dagmar> Running bugfix releases through the full QA cycle is a shortcut to fail
17:00 <@sdodson> weren't you broke and crying like a month ago?
17:00 < coil> sdodson, i like music
17:00 < coil> i've had them for years
17:00 <@Corydon76-dig> Uninstalling is not an option when the product is part of a production system
17:00 < coil> well most of the parts
17:00 <@sdodson> My factory stereo is more than adequate for "i like music"
17:00 <@Dagmar> I suppose leaving things unpatched is much better
17:01 <@sdodson> Dagmar: why do you say that?
17:01 <@Corydon76-dig> Dagmar: waiting until there's a good fix is the best possible solution in that situation
17:01 <@sdodson> 18:00 <@Dagmar> Running bugfix releases through the full QA cycle is a shortcut to fail
17:02 <@Dagmar> sdodson: Because said QA cycles tend to take weeks, if not months.
17:02 <@Corydon76-dig> There's unfortunately no easy solution
17:02 <@Dagmar> If you can't make a two-line change to fix a bug, run the same shit on it to package it as you did before, and expect that's the only change that'll occur, there's something VERY wrong with your production process to begin with
17:03 <@Corydon76-dig> Dagmar: refer back to breaking something else worse than the bug itself
17:03 <@Dagmar> Man it's like you've completely forgotten how to program
17:03 <@Corydon76-dig> It's all great and wonderful if you CAN make a 2 line change that doesn't affect anything else, but that's not always possible
17:04 <@Dagmar> If your shit is made of spaghetti-code with failsauce, it's time to quit
17:04 <@Corydon76-dig> Sometimes a bug isn't just a problem with implementation, but a problem with design
17:04 <@sdodson> Ya, because there's never any unintended consequences.
17:04 <@sdodson> Anything that's going to patch the problem has potential to change expected behaviors.
17:05 <@Dagmar> It beats the hell out of people sucking corporate cock by deliberately downplaying whether or not the vendor is actually working on a problem
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17:05 <@Dagmar> ...which is what calling a month-old known vulnerability "0-day" amounts to.
17:05 <@Corydon76-dig> That's a political problem, not a technical one.
17:05 <@Corydon76-dig> You can't fix political problems with technical solutions or vice-versa
17:06 <@Dagmar> Exactly, which is why the political process of QA isn't the same for technically-oriented bugfix releases
17:06 <@Corydon76-dig> QA isn't a political process
17:06 <@Dagmar> QA testing on a new product doesn't have a huge incentive to go quikcly
17:07 <@Dagmar> Coders can take their time, all the marketing people can get their hands in, the design people can quibble over the thickness of pixels, etc
17:07 <@Dagmar> When there's an exploit in the wild it's no longer time to spank around with fretwork and time to make things happen
17:08 <@Corydon76-dig> Releases go through QA.  Always.
17:08 <@Dagmar> You might as well argue about what the water is going to do to your floors as firemen are trying to put your house out.
17:08 <@Dagmar> Your shit is on fire--now is not the time to worry about what color the fucking wallpaper is.
17:09 <@Dagmar> The wallpaper was fine yesterday, it'll be fine tomorrow.
17:09 <@Corydon76-dig> Your shit is on fire... so you shouldn't worry about whether pouring gasoline in another part of the house might cause more problems?
17:09 <@Dagmar> If you can't discriminate gasoline from water, again, it's time to quit.
17:09 <@Corydon76-dig> I wish life were so simple
17:10 <@Dagmar> But hey, I'd love to see you do a presentation at Phreaknic about how bugfixes should have no elevated time priority
17:10 <@Dagmar> I'm sure it would be epic.
17:10 <@Corydon76-dig> I never said they shouldn't
17:10 <@Dagmar> Yes, you ahve.
17:10 <@Dagmar> You've said so repeatedly in your attempt to play devil's advocate
17:10 <@Corydon76-dig> No, I've only said fixes must go through QA
17:10 <@Dagmar> You and sdodson both
17:11 <@Corydon76-dig> I'm not playing devil's advocate.
17:11 <@Catonic> Corydon76-dig: I'm with you. Introducing new bugs does not the software make mo betta
17:11 <@Corydon76-dig> I'm saying that we don't do what you're advocating, because we've introduced more serious bugs that way
17:12 <@Corydon76-dig> unanticipated, unintended bugs.  They suck.
17:12 <@Dagmar> Then perhaps you should try to read better.
17:12 <@Dagmar> I was pretty clear when I said that a full QA cycle is NOT the right thing to do for a bugfix release
17:12 <@Dagmar> _full_ QA cycle.
17:12 <@Dagmar> Unit testing on the affected bit of code should for sure be addressed
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17:13 <@Dagmar> Doing blackbox testing of the installer on all twelve supported platforms, for example, is one of those bits you throw in the trash
17:13 <@Corydon76-dig> I'm actually not in the QA division, and we trust them to make those kinds of decisions.
17:13 <@sdodson> You wouldn't want to QA the fact that the patcha ctually fixes the vulnerability?
17:13 <@Dagmar> ...but you want to argue about "oh but it might break something else"
17:14 <@Dagmar> sdodson: Scroll up
17:14 <@sdodson> You QA the patch to ensure it fixes the problem, you also QA the patch to ensure it doesn't create any regressions.
17:14 <@Corydon76-dig> Dagmar: you may be the single guy who can both code and QA effectively, but I am not.
17:14 <@Corydon76-dig> I leave QA to the QA team.
17:15 <@sdodson> I don't think anyone is suggesting that security related bugs shouldn't receive elevated prioritization.
17:15 <@Corydon76-dig> If they say they need X time, I believe them.
17:15 <@sdodson> I'd hope we can all assume that's happening.
17:15 <@Dagmar> I think assuming that would be just stupid.
17:15 <@sdodson> I just know that for a software company with any significant deployment base rushing something out the door is simply not an option.
17:15 <@sdodson> you weigh three things.
17:16 <@Dagmar> We've got just oodles of history showing that typically vendors don't do *shit* about problems with their products until it's clear to them that not doing so will cost them money in some way
17:16 <@sdodson> 1. Likely hood of exploit. 2. Impact of the code change. 3. i forgot this one
17:16 <@Dagmar> ...to the point that the entire "Full Disclosure Movement" had to actuall have a name given to it
17:17 <@Corydon76-dig> F-D might be an effective tool to get a company to act, but once the processes are in place, it's really not a great plan.
17:18 <@Dagmar> So what kind of plan is making excuses for a vendor so they don't even have to?
17:18 <@Corydon76-dig> For a vendor that does not respond, F-D is fine.
17:19 <@Dagmar> So what's that got to do with this?
17:19 <@Corydon76-dig> But once a vendor engages and has a history of fixing those security problems, F-D loses on the Cost/Benefit
17:19 <@sdodson> Hey uhhh
17:19 <@sdodson> I want a pony.
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17:20 <@Dagmar> Sounds like a plan to me
17:21 <@Corydon76-dig> I wish that were the case
17:22 <@Corydon76-dig> I'm on one currently where a security researcher gave us a heads up, we started work on the problem, and another researcher decided to go F-D on it (discovering it independently) without notifying us.
17:24 <@Corydon76-dig> I'm sure he's going to be more pissed when we finally release the advisory and somebody else is credited with the discovery (we are going to name him as the author of the exploit, though).
17:24 <@Dagmar> Next time he should contact you so he can get the bad news earlier
17:29 <@Corydon76-dig> Yay, the Taco Bell dog died
17:31 <@Dagmar> Chihuahua's are not especially long-lived dogs
17:32 <@Corydon76-dig> 15 years?
17:32 <@Dagmar> Then he managed to stick around pretty good for a burrito-hound
18:42 <@Catonic> I met the most laid-back chihuahua ever.
18:45 <@Dagmar> So... anyone have the Erin Andrews footage yet?
18:45 <@Dagmar> At the rate they're going i'm waiting for CNN to just fucking air it since they've spent all day pretending to be horrified by the incident
18:45 <@Dagmar> Apparently it must be all over the internet and being mailed to random people's inboxes by now
18:46 < miniMerc> i saw some stills
18:46 <@Dagmar> Crappy res?
18:46 < miniMerc> yeah
18:46 <@Dagmar> I figured as much
18:47 <@Dagmar> My main interest is how the hel you're supposed to be able to video someone in a hotel room without them, um... noticing a fucking camers
18:47 <@Dagmar> s/camers/camera/;
18:47 < miniMerc> there are very small cameras
18:47 <@Dagmar> Did they drill a hole in the wall, hide it inside a lampshade or what
18:47 <@Dagmar> CNN is speculating _wildly_ about it
18:47 < miniMerc> dunno, from the article i read it sounded like a peephole of some sort
18:48 <@Dagmar> LIke, you should really check CNNHN right now to see the four women spinning this literally into there being some stalker trying to terrify the woman by "saying 'I'm always here'"
18:48 <@Dagmar> They are completely making shit up
18:48 < miniMerc> haha
18:48 < miniMerc> ya its a real tragedy
18:48 < miniMerc> 9/11 #2
18:48 <@Dagmar> Like, you and I both know the real motivation is rather likely to simply be "Ooh. Hot famous chick naked. Let's viddy that"
18:49 < miniMerc> no doubt
18:49 < miniMerc> she _is_ hot
18:49 <@Dagmar> These women are all but speculating the cameraman had unersolved issues from seeing their mother naked at a Labor Day picnic
18:49 < miniMerc> ...
18:49 <@Dagmar> I mean, DEATAILED crazy made-up shit
18:49 < miniMerc> women are dumb
18:49 <@Dagmar> God I can't type today
18:49 <@Dagmar> Well, not all women, but apparently these _particular_ women
18:50 < miniMerc> the motivation was "mmm, boobies"
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19:17 <@Evilpig> i've got a voicemail in my google voice thing but no transcript cause apparently notlarry pocket called me
19:18 <@juice> lol
19:18 <@juice> nice
19:22 <@Evilpig> http://blog.wilpig.org/archives/2009/07/my-first-voicem.html
19:23 <@Dagmar> Dude.
19:23 <@Dagmar> Put a shirt on
19:23 <@Dagmar> You're throwing the white balance off on your webcam.
19:24  * coil hurls
19:30 <@Evilpig> I should set that back to auto.  I had it manually set for years cause of my office setup in murray
19:33 <@Dagmar> You looked like you were glowing
19:33 <@Dagmar> in a cave
19:33 <@Dagmar> like some kind of deep cavern grub
19:34 <+sung> Evilpig: why are we seeing you without a shirt
19:35 <@Evilpig> cause i'm at home and I don't wear clothes here?
19:35 <@Evilpig> I was actually show how google voice lets you embed a voicemail outside of your inbox
19:35 <@Evilpig> and that notlarry pocket calls ALOT
19:35 <+sung> put on a shirt
19:37 <@Evilpig> gouge out your eyes!
19:44 <@Shadow404> what did Corydon76-dig just tell you?
19:45 <@sdodson> hi
19:45 <@Shadow404> sdodson: diaf
19:45 <@Shadow404> Evilpig: invite please
19:45 <@Shadow404> kthx
19:55 <@Shadow404> rum and coke just makes me lazy
19:56 <@sdodson> Shadow404: Then what is it that makes you retarded?
19:57 <@Shadow404> wtf is this is response too your fuck-tard
19:58 <@sdodson> I feel the urge to insult you but I'm confused as to what you just said so I'm just going to go do something else.
19:58 <@Shadow404> yeah, dont hurt yourself.
19:59 <@Shadow404> we know what thinking ot hard can do to you.
19:59 < coil> Shadow404, diaf
20:00 <@sdodson> coil: We could be so lucky.
20:00 < coil> iaw
20:00 <@Shadow404> iaw?
20:00 < coil> I agree with the previous statement.
20:01 <@Shadow404> how is that iaw?
20:01 <@Shadow404> I Agree With?.....
20:01 <@Shadow404> wouldnt that be IAWY, Y = you
20:01 < coil> yeah just the first part but i explained it for retards like Shadow404
20:02 <@Shadow404> bah
20:02 <@Shadow404> diaf, seriously
20:02 <@Shadow404> diaf.coil.snsweather.com
20:02 <@Shadow404> heh, 3 web hits on that one
20:03 <@Shadow404> malformed request
20:03 <@Shadow404> woops
20:03 <@Shadow404> coil.diaf.snsweather.com
20:03 < coil> noob
20:04 <@Shadow404> wonder if thats made it to the top 10 links on the stats yet?
20:04 <@sdodson> I should autoban you anytime you create your stupid ass dns names.
20:05 <@sdodson> Shadow404: perhaps if you provided links rather than hostnames
20:05 <@Shadow404> sdodson: kicking and banning is so immature and preschool
20:05 <@sdodson> Shadow404: Ya, probably so, but I'm fine with that.
20:05 < coil> creating stupid websites is preschool
20:06 <@Shadow404> coil: cnames, but who really cares
20:06 < coil> sh: coil.diaf.snsweather.com: command not found
20:06 < coil> coil.diaf.snsweather.com is an alias for wfb.zoneedit.com.
20:06 < coil> wfb.zoneedit.com has address 69.72.142.98
20:06 < coil> wfb.zoneedit.com has address 216.98.141.250
20:06 < coil> wtf is zoneedit
20:07 <@Shadow404> my dns servers
20:07 <@Evilpig> zoneedit is a free dns server
20:07 <@Shadow404> yep and it kicks ass
20:07 <@sdodson> And by "my" he means some shitty free dns provider
20:07 <@Evilpig> I use them as secondaries
20:07 <@sdodson> with a web interface so total newbs (read: Shadow404 ) can use it.
20:08 <@Shadow404> sdodson: well, since i dont have a linux box i leave on regularlly to run bind9, its the second best thing
20:08 <@Shadow404> and i can edit it from anywhere as needed
20:08 <@Shadow404> without having to login to home terminals
20:08 <@Shadow404> i do enough bind9 shit at work as it is
20:09 <@Shadow404> heh, diaf isnt in the top 10, but bigblue still is #4
20:09 < coil> so how does my cname go to  wfb.zoneedit.com when its a blank page
20:09 < coil> http://goatse.cx
20:09 < coil> http://goatse.cx
20:09 < coil> http://goatse.cx
20:09 <@Shadow404> good question, it starts out as a cname
20:10 <@Shadow404> but goes to a web-redirect system
20:10 <@Evilpig> goatse is dead isn't it?
20:10 <@Shadow404> since you cant use urls beyond the hostname for cnames
20:11 <@sdodson> Shadow404: Care to elaborate?
20:11 <@Shadow404> care to diaf
20:12 <@Shadow404> no? then stfu
20:12 <@sdodson> Shadow404: no, what do you mean by that?
20:12 < coil> Evilpig, been dead for years
20:13 < coil> i just wanted the url on the stats
20:13 < coil> what's the stats url anyway
20:13 <@Shadow404> hmm, gonna have to be refernced 10 times to make it the stats
20:13 <@Shadow404> and i dont know if the stats have a flood protector
20:13 <@Evilpig> se2600.org/ircstats
20:13 <@Shadow404> coil: www.se2600.org/ircstats/
20:13 <@sdodson> Shadow404: so what's this mean? <@Shadow404> since you cant use urls beyond the hostname for cnames
20:14 <@Shadow404> like you cant do bla in cname snsweather.com/bla/bla
20:14 <@Shadow404> it has to stop at the .com, .org, etc
20:14 <@Shadow404> bind9 wont accept it best that part for a cname
20:15 <@sdodson> You're confusing two entirely different technologies.
20:15 <@sdodson> DNS and HTTP are separate items.
20:16 < coil> sdodson, pf
20:16 <@Shadow404> thatrs what i was leading too by that statement
20:16 < coil> NERD FIGHT
20:16 <@sdodson> ok, sorry, go on
20:18 <@Shadow404> well that was about it, so web redirect points to a cname that points to a machine that takes the hostname and turns it into a web url redirect
20:19 <@Shadow404> therefore completing the request that originates as cname
20:19 <@Shadow404> brb, wife calling
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20:20 <@sdodson> I still don't think you understand the boundaries between those two systems.
20:20 <@sdodson> There's no reason you can' have http://eatmyballs.snsweather.com/lulololshadow404/leet/page.html
20:20 <@sdodson> can't
20:21 <@Shadow404> yes, but that would have to run on another webserver host, which i dont have setup
20:22 < coil> “eatmyballs.snsweather.com” could not be found.
20:22 < coil> Check that you are connected to the internet, and that the address is correct.
20:22 < coil> If this page used to exist, you may find an archived version:
20:22 <@sdodson> Why couldn't it run on that same host?
20:23 <@Shadow404> it couldnt but would require me setting it up
20:23 <@Shadow404> but web redirect is a simple way to clone that
20:24 <@Shadow404> *could not couldnt
20:24 <@Shadow404> that would be a fun thing to learn though
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20:45 < coil> maybe for a nerd
20:45 <@sdodson> coil: you're not a nerd?
20:46 < coil> no
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22:01 < miniMerc> k
22:06 <@Catonic> pain.
22:07 < miniMerc> pain builds character
22:11 < [1NF0]> which character? borat?
22:12 <@Shadow404> very nice, how much?
22:12 < [1NF0]> five hunderd dolla
22:12 < [1NF0]> be ready in two week
22:18 <@Shadow404> sounds just like sdodson's mom, minus the five hundred. more like 2 dolla
22:18 < eryc> actually you can put "web redirects" in dns
22:20 <@sdodson> eryc: hi
22:20 < eryc> http://downloads.powerdns.com/documentation/html/fancy-records.html
22:20 < eryc> hello
22:21 <@Shadow404> heh, bind9 wont accept that
22:22 < eryc> im aware
22:23 <@Shadow404> so in hence, in a bind9 environment, such as the internet for the most part is, you cant do web redirects in dns
22:23 <@Shadow404> soo high right now
22:23 < eryc> right
22:24 < eryc> but you can do them internally if you're a domain registrar that does web parking/redirects
22:24 <@Shadow404> not sure how that works, enligthten me?
22:25 < eryc> webA receives request for domA
22:25 < eryc> webA performs dns lookup on domA in dnsA
22:25 < eryc> dnsA returns URL record for domA
22:25 < eryc> webA sends HTTP redirect to request for domA
22:25 <@sdodson> The internet being all bind9 is scarey.
22:26 <@sdodson> scary
22:26 <@Shadow404> didnt say all bind9, i said for the most part
22:26 <@sdodson> Even that's scary.
22:26 <@Shadow404> its an archaic system, but works
22:26 < eryc> thats why i use microsoft's dns server
22:27 < eryc> its safe!
22:27 <@Shadow404> heheh
22:27 <@Shadow404> never have played with m$ dns
22:27 <@Shadow404> gotta try that out on my xp prof box eventually
22:27 <@sdodson> xp doesn't have a dns server
22:27 <@sdodson> there's one root that runs msft dns i think
22:28 <@Shadow404> not professional when you install ISS?
22:28 <@Shadow404> i thought IIS, heh, has a dns server
22:29 < eryc> no its an information server
22:29 < eryc> for the internet
22:29 <@Shadow404> gah, that sucks a nut
22:29 < eryc> im just kidding
22:29 < miniMerc> ...
22:30 <@Shadow404> fuckr
22:31 <@sdodson> wow, i didn't know so many of them had deployed anycast, i thought only ISC was doing that
22:32 < eryc> its the new pink
22:32 < eryc> where you seeing that?
22:32 <@sdodson> http://www.nlnetlabs.nl/projects/nsd/ is what k runs
22:33 <@sdodson> https://www.isc.org/community/f-root/
22:40 < eryc> i dont see anything about anycast on the first one
22:40 < eryc> i want to setup anycast
22:42 <@Shadow404> dnsedit db.
22:42 <@Shadow404> err
22:42 < coil> diaf db.
22:45 < fall0ut> most of them run anycast
22:45 < fall0ut> my dns is anycasted in our IGP
22:49 <@sdodson> fall0ut: I DON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE WORDS MEAN!
22:51 <+sung> back to hamburger school with you
22:53 < fall0ut> my words are meaningless
22:55 <@sdodson> sung: I don't know what that means either.
22:58 <@Dagmar> Mean as this sounds, the way CNN's been going on and on and on about this ESPN chick, I know what I'm downloading when I get hoome
22:59 <@sdodson> Dagmar: link!
22:59 <@Dagmar> Heck man, just google her name
23:00 <@Dagmar> The way they're talkig about I'm suprised Google hasn't made it into their new masthead
23:00 <@sdodson> I don't know her name!
23:00 <@sdodson> Is it Robery Paulson?
23:00 <@Dagmar> "Erin Andrews" ESPN
23:09 <@sdodson> her ass is nicer than her tits
23:15 <@sdodson> crap video
23:32 <@sdodson> "As you know, Microsoft® Windows 7 was Released to Manufacturing (RTM) this afternoon, July 22, 2009."" ohy ohy!
23:44 <@dasunt> Interesting.
23:45 <@dasunt> Just figured out the destruction a OHIO class nuclear sub could carry out, assuming 24 ICMBs, each with 6 warheads.
23:45 <@dasunt> Could destroy about 7200 sq miles, or 24 targets, with a zone of destruction of about 20 miles diameter.
23:49 < miniMerc> awesome
23:54 <@sasquatc4> holy shit i hate semantic obsessed linux folks that just cant give a straight answer
23:55 <@sasquatc4> especially ones that dont fully understand the question so they spout that shit off to sound smart and take 10x as long to answer the question once you get them to shutup
23:58 < miniMerc> sasquatc4: most linux support channels are useless that way
23:58 < miniMerc> if they dont know the answer, they'll just browbeat you
23:58 < miniMerc> while trying to sound "above it all"
23:58 < miniMerc> noone knows how to say "i dont know"
23:59 <@sasquatc4> yup, thats what i got, it was a fairly straight forward yes or no question, but he decided to go off for some reason on how the gnu tools and the kernel and os are seperate or some shit which had nothing to do with the question
23:59 < miniMerc> i'e' "i have no fucking idea, but i wont let you know that!"
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