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00:14 <@juice> hmm Steve McNair shot to death
00:19 <@sdodson> astralsin was telling us about it earlier
00:20 < coil> motive?
00:20 < coil> by whom
00:28 <@sdodson> coil: the damned russians
00:40 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: you're gonna love the email I forwarded you
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02:41 <@sdodson> http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2008/12/27/633659567779920928-thesecondamendment.jpg
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06:04 <@Evilpig> ROFL  http://wearabletowel.com/
06:09 <@sdodson> Evilpig: Billy Mays's last effort?
06:10 <@sdodson> yay, 4 miles down and it's not even 8am yet
06:16 <@Evilpig> no billy mays involved on that one
06:16 <@Evilpig> a snuggie fucked a towel and this is their offspring
06:18 <@sdodson> I fuck a towel all the time for the explicit purpose of not having offspring.
06:19 <@sdodson> Added almost half a mile to my 1hr walk.
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10:56 <@Corydon76-dig> sdodson: and Darwin thanks you
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13:35 <@sdodson> Corydon76-dig: for what?
13:47 <@ShadowHntr> <sdodson> I fuck a towel all the time for the explicit purpose of not having offspring.
13:47 -!- ShadowHntr changed the topic of #se2600 to: PN13: The Bailout October 30th - 31st of 2009 | Join us in #pn13-planning | <sdodson> I fuck a towel all the time for the explicit purpose of not having offspring.
13:54 <@sdodson> ShadowHntr: oh, ya, thanks
13:55 <@ShadowHntr> no prob
14:04 <@sdodson> https://www.prioritymail.com/home.asp?purl=frb8  the dude starts laughing at you
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16:00  * Catonic looks for dc0de
16:02 <@sdodson> Catonic: too early for that
16:12 < coil> hi Catonic
16:12 < coil> are you still in school
16:15  * coil waits for equifax
16:17 <@rhia> k, that's an odd phone call: Ring, Hello?"Did you steal my whoopie pie?" um, you're what? "My whoopie pie! Did you steal my whoopie pie?!?!"   ... um, no.....
16:17 <@rhia> s/you're/your
16:19 < coil> wtf, equifax has a fruad alert out on my account ?
16:26 <@sdodson> coil: criminal
16:27 <@rhia> transunion STILL won't acknowledge my married name _ after 8.5 years
16:27 <@sdodson> rhia: solution, get a divorce!
16:27 <@sdodson> and kill MSM
16:28 <@rhia> nor will it acknowledge debts paid 3 years ago as paid, they STILL have them at the level of 3.5 years ago - up to date til then, not since
16:28 <@sdodson> I'd suspect that they'd just generally have 8.5 year old info.  Were those 3.5 year old debts under your maden name?
16:28 <@rhia> they don't care - actually, finally, got live people there on the phone, all said the same thing - basically, we don't care
16:29 <@sdodson> wow John C Devorak is useless.
16:29 <@rhia> nope, under the married name, which they don't recognize as existing, but i still owe money on a debt paid in full over 3 years ago
16:29 <@sdodson> Why do toilets I never use have funk rings in them?
16:29 <@sdodson> rhia: whacktastic
16:30 <@rhia> sdodson: unless you're running laboratory level Pure H2O, sediments and impurities in the water
16:30 <@sdodson> http://tynan.net/the-infamous-ghetto-indoor-pool/
16:31 <@sdodson> I guess I'll drop a teaspoon of bleach in each unused toilet once a week or so.
16:31 <@rhia> TU sux massive sweaty donkey balls
16:31 <@sdodson> Or I guess just let it grow and then clean it before I have guests over which may be hard because I never plan to have guests over we just end up back here at 3am drizunk.
16:32 <@rhia> sdodson: if you keep the lid down (so verbal doesn't drink from it) just get one of the under rim toliet 'refresher/cleaners' and flush it every other day or so
16:33 <@sdodson> That seems a bit wasteful. Maybe once a week or so.
16:33 <@rhia> pfft, just pee in it every other day & flush it - sheesh
16:34 <@rhia> iow, if you have the luxury of a 2nd toilet, use it
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16:35 <@rhia> coil: if You didn
16:35 <@rhia> t put the fraud alert in place, check the other two big credit bureaus for a similar one
16:36 <@sdodson> If I actually use it then I'll actually have to clean it.
16:37 <@rhia> dude, if you hit INSIDE the bowl, no, follow above and clean it less often
16:38 <@rhia> if, if you're over 6 years old and still miss the bowl, that's your problem and you should clean it
16:40 <@sdodson> surely pissing into a toilet introduces more bacteria or atleast food for bacteria than if you never use it.
16:40 <@sdodson> especially if you drop the kids off
16:41 <@rhia> kids?
16:41 <@rhia> and flushing doesn't help because...?
16:42 <@sdodson> http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs162.snc1/6060_114063708080_791908080_2000746_7591254_n.jpg
16:42 <@sdodson> rhia: you know, making a deposit?
16:43 <@sdodson> pinching a load
16:43 <@rhia> you know, just, clean your own toilet, if you can stand the smell of stagnant water sitting in a bow, leaving all kinds of stuff on the sides for weeks on end, that's all yours
16:44 <@rhia> if you can't add a cleanser and just go pee in the extra toilet a couple times a week, up to you, just don't bitch about the 'toilet ring'
16:45 < coil> rhia one was fine and the other one wasnt
16:45 <@rhia> but if any male does leave toilets like that then bitches about bringing females in that don't want to come back .... just saying
16:46 <@rhia> coil: call your bank tomorrow, have them check into it as fraud
16:46 < coil> i have so much financial shit i have to do tomrrow
16:47 < coil> my student loans were cancelled so i gotta find out what went wrong
16:47 < coil> no way i can dish out $4k for one semester
16:47 < coil> i hate out of state tuitition
16:47 <@sdodson> coil: will you be able to pay in state next year?
16:48 < coil> loans most likely unless i get a job which im not planning on
16:48 < coil> instate is 1/3 the price though
16:48 <@sdodson> coil: how long do you have to live there for instate?
16:48 < coil> 1 year
16:50 <@rhia> coil: if the credit companies, even one of them, has a 'hold/fraud' alert on your credit, that requires immediate attention, or even your Debit card could come back denied
16:50 < coil> maybe i just put in my verify info wrong or something
16:50 < coil> or it didn't like my new mailing address
16:51 < coil> the first one checked out fine, the second and third wouldn't let me login
16:51 <@rhia> if YOU did not put the alert on it, you need to get it reversed ASAP before it gets propagated to the rest of the credit bureaus
16:51 < coil> maybe i was late too many times on my credit card
16:51 <@rhia> hence talking  to your bank about possible fraud
16:52 < coil> The Identity Security System confirms your identity through a series of questions based on accounts and personal information contained in your Personal Credit Report. The system was unable to get enough information from the Personal Credit Report to complete this process.
16:52 < coil> that's from transunion
16:53 <@rhia> TU sux, call your bank tomorrow, ask for the fraud dept, get more info, get some backing
16:53 < coil> equifax said i had the fruad or whatever
16:53 < coil> experian info checked out fine
16:53 <@rhia> k - your credit, your money, your decision
16:54 < coil> i have two banks now
16:55 < coil> wamu and chase...i know they're merging but i had to open up a new account down here since there systems aren't merged yet
16:56  * sdodson watches the inability to reason unfold
16:57 <@rhia> a fraud alert can actually freeze all your credit and even get back to your bank to freeze your account, best to contact the bank(s) asap and let them know YOU didn't put in a fraud alert
16:57 <@rhia> or you can just sit back and wait for the person who DID put in the fraud alert to steal your ID and clean out all your accounts
16:58 < coil> would my apartment complex do this
16:58 < coil> in tejas cuz i didn't pay them?
17:00 <@rhia>  . . .   conceivably someone there could mess it up if they have enough ID info, like SSN DoB, address, etc - could be just a transposed number, could be someone trying to steal your ID (and yes, even dead broke IDs are stolen)
17:00 <@rhia> call your bank, call the bureaus, find out why you have an alert you did not authorize
17:03 < coil> We're sorry, for your protection we are unable to deliver your FACT Act Equifax Free Annual Credit Report on the internet. There are a number of reasons that we may be unable to fulfill your request online. You may have a Security Freeze on your credit file, an Active Duty Military or Fraud Alert, or the identification information submitted online may not match the information on file.
17:03 <@rhia> i've argued enough that the TU idiocy gets wiped off the other bureaus and the bank info - every 6 months - BUT I have to continually call and remind them ... TU, otoh, doesn't give rolling fuck
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17:04 < coil> so it says i might have a fraud alert
17:04 < coil> but does that mean the same thing?
17:04 <@rhia> coil: call your bank, give them that info, get them to help you (tell them it looks like someone is trying to steal your ID) - be a tech/geek, act like a clueless newb
17:04 < coil> be a tech/geek, act like a clueless newb
17:05 < coil> those are kind of contradicting
17:05 <@rhia> the bureau froze that info, find out WHY
17:05 <@rhia> no, not at all
17:05 < coil> so call chase or wamu
17:05 < coil> its confusing when they're the same bank
17:05 <@rhia> easy to act clueless while listening for clues and making the support monkeys jump thru YOUR hoops instead of vice versa
17:06 <@rhia> chase first (since they bought them) - call both
17:07 < coil> http://ztecwiz.pastebin.com/m3eb4c0ca that's what equifax fully says
17:08 < coil> i guess i need to find a number for chase
17:08 <@rhia> best way to gather clues of what you need to do next is to act completely competently clueless
17:08 <@rhia> and take notes
17:09 < coil> http://ztecwiz.pastebin.com/m5d37ee3d i found these numbers for chase fraud
17:09 <@rhia> just keep asking why? how? what? why? what? how? why?
17:10 <@rhia> do NOT let them off the phone until you have workable answers
17:10 < coil> im just a Chase Deposit Customers?
17:10 <@rhia> hence, acting clueless but being enough of a tech/geek to follow the tidbits they drop
17:10 <@rhia> coil: dunno, are you?
17:10 <@rhia> see how easy that is?
17:11 < coil> none of those look familiar
17:11 < coil> im none of them
17:11 <@rhia> act as if you're all of them, gather phone #s
17:11 <@rhia> um, isn't social engineering a hacker trait?
17:12 < coil> um im not a hacker?
17:12 <@rhia> be who you're not in order to learn what you need to learn
17:13 <@rhia> coil: not a hacker? not hardware/software/social/etc hacker?   question begs to be asked, why hang with hackers?
17:13 < coil> i hax the interwebs
17:13 <@rhia> dude, hack the system, hack the Gibson!
17:14 <@rhia> coil: so, just a power user? you don't question? you're not curious? you don't figure out off things just to figure them out?
17:15 <@rhia> or, do you like finding solutions?
17:15 <@rhia> you hax the intarwebs or just surf the intartubes?
17:16 <@rhia> um, you realize you should the be the next level of hacker, in a hacker channel, talking to a retired over the hill ol'lady for advice?
17:16  * rhia loves irony
17:19 <@rhia> on a side note, hey, kive, what say you? did your email work its magic?
18:09 <@Corydon76-dig> rhia: on the credit thing, you need to send a letter by certified mail that seems to threaten a lawsuit but actually doesn't
18:10 <@Corydon76-dig> Demand that they remove the record.  It'll get removed within 30 days
18:10 <@rhia> Corydon76-dig: done that, twice, 2 months later, same old same old
18:11 <@Corydon76-dig> Really?  Then the creditor is answering their letter
18:11 <@rhia> and at no time has TU ever recognized my married name
18:11 <@Corydon76-dig> You'll have to go after the creditor
18:11 <@rhia> nope, sent straight to TU
18:11 <@rhia> CC to the creditor
18:12 <@rhia> the bureaus don't answer to anyone, check it out
18:12 <@Corydon76-dig> No, you misunderstand.  When you send the demand letter, they in turn send a letter to the creditor.  If they get no response, they remove it.  The creditor is responding to their letter
18:13 <@rhia> no, you misunderstand, i've done all that, and more, and, regular as clockwork, they ignore the married name and reinstate the 3+ yr old debt - and it is ONLY trans union that does so
18:13 <@Corydon76-dig> Ah
18:14 <@Catonic> dubai doesn't have bankrupcy law. once you get a debt, you must pay it off.
18:14 <@rhia> meanwhile, 90% of TX relies on TU for the credit info
18:14 <@rhia> Catonic: and that helps.... how?
18:14 <@Corydon76-dig> In your letter, do you threaten to hold them finanically accountable for any adverse effect the record has on your credit?
18:14 <@Corydon76-dig> My standard form letter uses that phrase, and it's always been successful
18:15 <@Catonic> rhia: I just figured I'd drop random knowledge into the conversation
18:15 <@rhia> Corydon76-dig: if i can dig it out of the moving boxes, i have a reply letter from TU that boils down to - we are untouchable, sue who? good luck
18:15 <@Catonic> My life is irrelevant. Please involve me in your conversation so my life may have meaning.
18:15 <@Corydon76-dig> rhia: See if a lawyer will pick it up for 44% of proceeds
18:16 <@rhia> Corydon76-dig: again, check it out, the credit bureaus answer to no-one, not even congress, but congress doesn't care because all congress critters have a special flag on their accounts
18:16 <@Corydon76-dig> Usually even filing a lawsuit costs them more money, and they're willing to settle
18:17 <@Corydon76-dig> rhia: I dunno, I've been successful with my letters
18:17 <@rhia> Corydon76-dig: you pay for the 350 hr lawyer for us? sure - the ones i've talked to won't even touch it 10% commission
18:17 <@Catonic> it's all about cost defrayment
18:17 <@rhia> good for you,
18:17 <@rhia> i've been successful with experion and equafax, NOT TU
18:18 <@rhia> er, 100% commission, that is
18:18 <@Corydon76-dig> 100% commission?
18:19 <@Corydon76-dig> You pay them all of your recovered damages?
18:19 <@Corydon76-dig> 44% is usually the max, when you don't pay a dime
18:19 <@Corydon76-dig> At least, around here it is
18:19 <@rhia> was willing to give them full pay plus whatever damages they recovered, on the deal that they Could recover damages, had 3 try, nope --- and i'm not paying for failure
18:20 <@rhia> dude, they didn't ask for that, i offered just to get this done
18:20 <@Corydon76-dig> Yeah, I suspect they cannot at that rate
18:20 <@rhia> but it's TU - they didn't get a dime
18:20 <@rhia> i'm not out any money, they stood to make a pretty penny or ten
18:21 <@rhia> Corydon76-dig: nm, you're not following the logic
18:22 <@Catonic> 1) Get Money
18:22 <@rhia> TU has screwed me for over a decade, us for over 8 years, this latest is just, well, the latest - the other bureaus have the records of payment, my name, everything correct - NOW, but TU, doesn't give a fuck and has told me and a few attorney's the same
18:22 <@rhia> Catonic: gimme money
18:23 <@rhia> but the majority of TX companies rely on TU for the reports, hence the thorn in my side
18:24 <@Catonic> and you've chased this using attorneys?
18:25 <@rhia> they don't HAVE to change anything the consumer (me) says - they don't answer to us - they provide services for businesses - we are just commodities
18:25 <@rhia> Catonic: re-read
18:25 <@Catonic> my scroll buffer is f00k3d beyond a certain point
18:25 <@rhia> and they aren't really regulated, either
18:25 <@Catonic> I get that they've told you to piss up river, and told your attorney that as well.
18:26 <@rhia> attorneys, but yeah
18:26 <@Catonic> in which case, you document document document and get the government involved
18:26 <@Catonic> sue them to make it right
18:27 <@Catonic> or get the state DA or fed DA to prosecute them for failure to ahere to law
18:27 <@rhia> Catonic: what part of not regulated do you not understand? WHAT "government" - and, um, read the bylaws, they are supposedly exempt from lawsuits
18:27 <@rhia> yeah, next step is the state DA, oh, my state DA is a texan in texas -record is not good unless you're a corporation, but, yeah
18:28 <@Catonic> how does texas define a sole proprieter?
18:28 <@rhia> if this last stuff in the works doesn't work, sigh, i'll take that route
18:30 <@Catonic> working in state/legal circuits might just be the most frustrating thing anyone can do.
18:30 <@rhia> didn't say i've given up, just saying that what i've uncovered should piss off everyone - they're extralegal and they control everyone's credit - think about it
18:31 <@ShadowHntr> fair credit reporting act anyone?
18:31 <@Catonic> rhia: I understand your anger and frustration.
18:32 <@Catonic> We're in a Roman state of affairs.
18:33 <@Catonic> We're being starved and ridden hard.
18:33 <@Catonic> and best of all, we're the ones doing it to ourselves.
18:33 <@Catonic> it's all bread and circuses
18:35 <@Catonic> Why does anyone care what TU is up to? We're too busy trying to work ourselves silly to pay our mortgages and take the kids to soccer.
18:37 <@rhia> Catonic: because some outside entites, getting paid by corporations,  that don't give a fuck about the consumer or the facts basically decide if you can survive in this toxic society or not
18:38 <@Catonic> and they have enough money to buy the politicians and anyone else who would get in thier way.
18:38 <@rhia> this is not bread and circuses, that Iran and Hondo and the BS that Israel has been pulling is back page while the freakshows of Michael Jackson and Sarah Palin take the headlines... THOSE are the circuses
18:40 <@rhia> this doesn't even hit the radar- and it should - it affects every frciking american- they control the data and have NO reason to correct incorrect data - we are LESS than numbers, we are commodities, like corn or wheat - with less lobbyists
18:41 <@rhia> but, just   Baaaaaaa like a good little lamb
18:41  * rhia growls
18:43 <@Catonic> rhia: I'm with you. But even if 90% of the people are pissed at them, they will just buy the fucking government and nothing will happen.
18:43 <@rhia> cite me the current, legal edict or law that states that credit bureaus have to answer to the little guy (the public) OVER the businesses that send in erroneous data to make more money?
18:43 <@rhia> we're hackers
18:44 <@Catonic> hacktivism is terrorism
18:44 <@Catonic> baaaa
18:44 <@rhia> we're helping China and Iran, why the Frack don't we help ourselves here?
18:44  * sdodson stares at Catonic blankly
18:44 <@rhia> wearing green in Iran is terrorism
18:45 <@rhia> soo, just bleat and roll over?
18:45 <@rhia> pfft
18:46 <@Catonic> I'm all for writing letters, making phone calls, and telling people... but it won't help.
18:46 <@rhia> beginning to think that this channel is not friendly to hackers anymore
18:48 <@sdodson> coil's credit thing is epic lulz
18:48 < coil> why
18:48 <@sdodson> Because you're so helpless.
18:49  * rhia shakes her head and wanders off - se2600 the hacker channel 
18:50 <@sdodson> rhia: HACK THE PLANET!
18:50 <@sdodson> rhia: THIS IS ALL GARBAGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE GARBAGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
18:51 <@Corydon76-dig> rhia: eh, we're for responsible change
19:09 <@ShadowHntr> rhia: look up the Fair Credit Reporting Act
19:09 <@ShadowHntr> you can report them to the FTC
19:09 <@ShadowHntr> call your congressman as well
19:09  * Catonic sprays ShadowHntr with the hose
19:09 <@Catonic> don't get her started
19:09 <@Catonic> it's already been suggested
19:10 <@Catonic> she's liable to esplode at this point.
19:10  * ShadowHntr goes back to sulking ;)
19:17 <@rhia> Shadow404: no teeth
19:17 <@rhia> Corydon76-dig: exactly
19:18 <@rhia> Catonic: very right
19:18 <@rhia> sdodson: i'd say kiss my ass but you'd enjoy it far too much, so, your trollfu is still severely lacking
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19:20 <@rhia> sdodson: by the way, why do you find following ware more acceptable than following decius or rattle or jonnyx or ... well, that should give you enough to think on
19:20 <@rhia> or do you just feel more comfortable looking for acceptance from children than adults?
19:22 < coil> did you get your precious a/c working?
19:22 <@rhia> coil: not yet
19:29 <@sdodson> OH SNAP!
19:30 <@sdodson> http://imgur.com/kJruQ.jpg so cute
19:30 <@sdodson> rhia: CLICK ON THAT!
19:30 <@sdodson> ITS CAATS!
19:30 < coil> i miss my roommates orange tabby
19:30 < coil> i should of asked her if i could keep it
19:31 < coil> but then i'd have to keep it locked up in my room or something because the dogs would snap its neck as soon as they had the chance
19:31 <@sdodson> i'm cleaning house
19:31 <@sdodson> just packed up two boxes of old clothes and crap
19:32 < coil> good for you
19:46 < coil> lame, ftc.gov is down
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20:02 <@rhia> sdodson: i have no idea why you make your choices, but 'oh snap' is a much more juvenile response than your chronological age would suggest
20:04 <@rhia> so, unless you've metamorphed into a 12 yr old girl, it's kinda sad
20:05 <@sdodson> rhia: ya, you got me there, I'm going to go off myself, thanks.
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20:06 <@rhia> sdodson:  in that case, for the estate, just remember that blood is a bitch to get out of carpet
20:06 <@sdodson> rhia: I know, still haven't gotten the cat's blood out
20:08 <@sdodson> That's actually my chore for the evening.
20:08 <@sdodson> rhia: I didn't hurt my cat incase you're busy dialing up aspca or something
20:09 <@rhia> np, i remember your comment on Verbal
20:10 < coil> peta
20:11 <@rhia> people for eating tasty animals?
20:11 < coil> yeah i love eating my puss
20:11 < coil> pussy
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20:16 <@rhia> too many easy comments - pass
20:17 < coil> ya im easy so what
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21:17 <@I-MOD> gun nuts: http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h45/text (hopefully, most of you have already seen it)
21:29 <@Dagmar> Geez
21:30 <@Dagmar> http://nashville.craigslist.org/mcy/1253944948.html
21:30 <@Dagmar> THAT jackass is basically advertising "Hey!  I've got a scooter that's not street legal!"
21:30 <@Dagmar> "You will not have any problems with this scooter" ... at least until the cops pull you over for going faster than a 50cc model should be able to
21:36 <@sdodson> Dagmar: you're not allowed to have engines in excess of 50cc?
21:39 <@Dagmar> The moment you do you have to have a VIN, MSO, tags, all that good stuff that you can't generally get on a 50cc model
21:39 -!- jeebusroxors [n=pwnasaur@unaffiliated/jeebusroxors] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)]
21:39 <@Dagmar> So, that creates a bit of a problem
21:39 <@sdodson> so basically duicycles?
21:39 <@Dagmar> It's cool that he has the thing for that price with the mod, but not so useful that it has the mod
21:40 <@Dagmar> No I mean the little ones typically don't have any sort of VIN, and you are SOL obtaining an MSO (manufacturers statement of origin) that's actually valid once the engine's been modded
21:41 <@sdodson> oh
21:42 <@Dagmar> Yeah kind of a bummer because it's a good price
21:42 <@Dagmar> Some of these guys are basically illiterate I think
21:42 <@Dagmar> One of the dudes who runs a small engine repair shop posted this bitchy little screed about people flagging his posts and talking shit about other mechanics in town
21:43 <@Dagmar> He has apparently failed to realize he's having people flag his shit for posting services ads in the for sale forum
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21:50 <@Dagmar> Oh joy
21:50 <@Dagmar> Small engine repair boy actually sent me a nastygram back
21:51 <@Dagmar> "ya'll are just mad we've got all your business"
21:52 <@Dagmar> They really should take the hint and post in the services section
21:56 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: did you see my email?
21:56 <@Dagmar> DId you just send it?
21:56 <@Evilpig> last night
21:56 <@Evilpig> work address
21:56 <@Dagmar> To work maybe?
21:57 <@Dagmar> AH I don't generally check that on my days off
21:57 <@Dagmar> ...at least not until the day before work
21:57 <@Evilpig> you should check it.  you'll like what I sent
21:57 <@Evilpig> it was about that pix
21:59 <@Dagmar> Wow
21:59 <@Dagmar> Let me guess... You paged Cavender and he blew it off?
21:59 <@Evilpig> thought you might appreciate that.  They handled it before I got on last night.  I just sent you a copy before it got nuked from the noc folder
22:00 <@Dagmar> Oh... I've seen much less comprehensible alerts from them
22:01 <@Dagmar> It's hilarious when they're actually trying to be discrete about something
22:03 <@Evilpig> time to find food
22:36 <@Catonic> I've learned something.
22:36 <@Catonic> all of my years of hacker cons was merely pre-real life drinking practice
22:37 < coil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyBvUr-sESE.
22:37 < coil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyBvUr-sESE
22:40 <@Dagmar> Hmm...
22:40 <@Dagmar> Maybe not actually the happiest place on earth today
22:53 <@Dagmar> Damn.  Thwarted by Verified by VIsa
22:53  * Dagmar goes looking for his PDA
22:56 <@Catonic> that shit pisses me off
23:15 <@Corydon76-dig> That was one of the reasons I got rid of my Visa
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