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00:13  * Tefad moves a bowl
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09:37 < [1NF0]> GAH! Picasa's indexing all my pr0n!
09:38  * [1NF0] might as well let it be for a couple days... it'll take a while
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09:46 <@sdodson> Strange, the hot girl at the local coffee shot is my friend of livejournal. I don't know her name and she doesn't know mine. Guess I'll have to say hi next time I'm in that part of town.
09:47 < [1NF0]> that made me lolz
09:49 < AstralSin> sdodson: that's a conversation starter, this might be fate
09:50 <@sdodson> She linked to some twitpics and browsing through those i figured it out.  Nwo I need to remember if I added her or if she added me.
09:50 <@sdodson> http://raleigh.craigslist.org/mis/1207449218.html  heh
09:51 <@sdodson> that was another clue
11:17 < Todd> hmm
11:39 < spithash> Todd: are you todd wentworth ?
11:39 < spithash> I guess not..
11:40 < spithash> anyway
11:42 <@sdodson> http://goodnightraleigh.com/uploaded_images/3623028611_786ff91e3c_b.jpg That looks safe, right?
11:45  * [1NF0] laughs, faps
11:46 <@sdodson> http://goodnightraleigh.com/2009/06/kirby-derby-2009/  <--- article
11:47 < [1NF0]> http://goodnightraleigh.com/uploaded_images/3622974525_83f5f4fac4_b1.jpg  Put on that good ol' 60s music ;)
11:49 < [1NF0]> (that /is/ richard simmons, right? ;))
11:49 <@sdodson> I doubt it's actually him but I'm sure it's supposed to look like him.
11:50 < [1NF0]> ahh
11:50 < [1NF0]> I knew it wasn't likely him... but good point on the intent
11:50 <@sdodson> It was apparently "Kirby Derby 8: Pity the Fool, and All Things 80.s."
11:51 < [1NF0]> ahh
11:52  * sdodson gives up on ripping dvds 
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13:20 <@sdodson> I played with a pre. The keyboard sort of sucks compared to something like a blackberry bold but I think I could deal with it.
13:20 <@sdodson> I think I'm going to wait another few months to see how their app culture evolves and to see what Verizon comes up with.
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13:25 <@Dagmar> Rattle's gotta do something about the possibly noteworthy problem
13:27 <@Dagmar> The whole goddamn site is just that guy's nonsensical ramblings, and if he won't put in a way for us to filter that guy's crap out, and this is as good as it gets, then the site has failed.
13:29 <@sdodson> memestreams seems like it was hot when it first hit the scene but bigger fish have entered that market and it's hard to compete with their resources
13:29 <@Dagmar> Not to mention the degree to which it doesn't work
13:29 <@Dagmar> I've always just assumed theres articles going in there that I didn't care about that it was hiding from me
13:29 < AstralSin> anyone done any gnome programming in python?
13:30 <@Dagmar> Today tho, every. single. post. is possibly noteworthy's disjointed bullshit.
13:30 <@sdodson> No, but python seems like the best language to do it in.
13:30 <@Dagmar> I R PROGRAMMING TEH INTERWEBZ
13:30 < AstralSin> i'm really liking python, but i'm having a bit of trouble figuring out how to do what i want
13:30 < AstralSin> with this graphic, anyway
13:31 <@sdodson> http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS7945978840.html seems like an interesting article
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13:31 <@sdodson> I think gnome programming is all based on glade/gtkbuilder or whatever
13:31 <@Dagmar> Glade.
13:31 <@Dagmar> Yeah pretty much
13:31 <@sdodson> It's like java sacks and all that layout shit. It seems clunky at first but once you get it it's alright.
13:32 <@Dagmar> At least, it makes very little sense to NOT use Glade
13:32 <@sdodson> Glade is deprecated somewhat
13:32 < AstralSin> you can use several different frameworks for doing stuff, but they all seem to do the same thing... not what i want
13:32 <@Dagmar> AstralSin: Then you'
13:32 <@Dagmar> you're generally expected to take that as a sign you're doing something entirely wrong
13:32 <@sdodson> http://www.micahcarrick.com/05-30-2008/gtk-builder-libglade-faq.html gtkbuilder is the way forward.
13:33 <@Dagmar> Like when the goldfish bowl doesn't fit up your ass.
13:33 < AstralSin> i'm trying to figure out how to display a translucent image with some dynamic text on top... i can't figure out how to draw an image at specific coordinates
13:33 <@Dagmar> You don't.
13:33 <@Dagmar> That would be part of it.
13:33 <@Dagmar> You can draw a shaped window, and then *try* to spawn it at a particular place on the X display.
13:33 < AstralSin> i know there would be more to it, but that's the desired result
13:34 <@sdodson> http://www.doubleviking.com/hotties/v/bikini030.jpg.html ohhai (no nudity but nsfw if your work is all gestapo)
13:35 <@Dagmar> AstralSin: The GTK::Perl bindings have a *demo* that does it.
13:35 <@Dagmar> I'm sure the Python-GTK bindings probably have the same stuff
13:36 <@ShadowHntr> anyone here interested in a PHP developer position?
13:36 < AstralSin> hmmm
13:36 <@ShadowHntr> I got several emails and calls from recruiters looking for people
13:36 < AstralSin> not if its coming from recruiters
13:37 <@sdodson> php development is a dead end road that ends in frustration
13:37 <@sdodson> AstralSin: recruiters are evil?
13:37 < AstralSin> for the most part, yes
13:41 <@Dagmar> If it's coming from recruiters, it's probably because someone released a report or article that PHP developers are in short supply or otherwise supposedly especially profitable for recruiters to have access to
13:41 <@Dagmar> They all read it, and now they're all frantically fishing around for resumes to add to their filing cabinet
13:41 <@Dagmar> I had one call me at work two months ago
13:42 <@Dagmar> Mind you, I've been working here three years or so now, said company never got me anything decent, and I told them two years ago they were waating my time.
13:42 <@sdodson> I've never dealt with recruiters other than when RHT called me when i posted on monster.com
13:42 <@Dagmar> Yet they called me up to offer me a job that pays 35k with more responsibility than the average sysadmin
13:43 <@Dagmar> To which I replied "Why don't you guys just fuck off and never call me again, eh?  *click*"
13:43 <@Dagmar> Seriously, a pay cut AND a shitty job?
13:43 <@sdodson> I hear you have to tell google to fuck off like that or they'll still keep hassling you.
13:43 <@Dagmar> How fucking stupid do they think I am?
13:43 <@sdodson> Dear GOOG, not everyone wants to work for you, love sdodson
13:43 <@Dagmar> I would work for them
13:44 <@sdodson> Seems a bit too cultish for me.
13:44 <@sdodson> Several of my friends are there and the two times I've gone to visit one of them in Atlanta I've had to call him and wait for him to head home because he basicallyl ives at work.
13:45 <@Dagmar> They load them up with toys
13:45 <@sdodson> I guess I'm just afraid of GOOG's influence.
13:46 <@Dagmar> Well, they're literally full of win
13:46 <@sdodson> They're more powerful than MSFT or ORCL but no one seems to notice.
13:46 <@Dagmar> It's hard to come to grips with it
13:46 <@Dagmar> Microsoft and Oracle come up with solutions that are about 80% useful, cost a mint, and require massive retraining
13:47 <@Dagmar> Google just seems to roll out things that work despite having "BETA" plastered all over them, and make them free, and still somehow make a buck off it
13:47 <@Dagmar> That's hard to argue with
13:48 <@Dagmar> You don't see Google trying to get people to sign right of first refusal agreements and shit like that
14:00 <@sdodson> http://www.startssl.com/  <-- why are they a trusted CA in firefox but CACert isn't?
14:00  * sdodson rages
14:02 <@Dagmar> Probably because CACert didn't throw large sacks of money at the problem
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14:09 <@ShadowHntr> for me, the dreaded question is "what is your desired pay rate?"
14:09 <@ShadowHntr> or equivalent
14:10 <@Dagmar> Nearly 90k but I'm flexible.
14:10 <@ShadowHntr> hehehe
14:11 <@sdodson> ShadowHntr: Tell them what you'd like. The worst they'll do is come back with something lower than what you'd like.
14:11 <@sdodson> But ask for atleast 10-20% more than what you're making where you are now.
14:11 <@ShadowHntr> i'm worried that they'd stop considering me if i overbid for what they're looking for
14:12 <@ShadowHntr> i always respond "how much is the client/you budgeting for this position?"
14:12 <@sdodson> ShadowHntr: Did they contact you or did you contact them?
14:12 <@ShadowHntr> they contacted me
14:12 <@Dagmar> You can worry about that all day long if you like, but the reality is that HR generally has a specific figure they've budgeted.
14:12 <@sdodson> What'd you list in your listing?
14:13 <@Dagmar> If you've already cited a number and they called you after seeing it, you're under their figure
14:13 <@sdodson> I was asked "You're asking for 50% increase over your previous job?" "Yes." "Why's that?" "I put it in my profile that's what I'm asking for, you called me. I'm happy with my job right now, do you want me or not?"
14:13 <@ShadowHntr> i didn't have a pay salary in the position, cause they contacted me unsolicited
14:13 <@Dagmar> "We are egregiously underpaid here and no one will be shocked that I've left for an acceptable pay rate"
14:13 <@sdodson> We bring people in for interviews knowing that they may be looking for more.  We throw out our offer and go from there.  If the canidate can't take it no harm no foul.
14:13 <@ShadowHntr> but i did get contacted by a firm looking for a upper junior admin and i bid 39-41K W2
14:14 <@sdodson> Ask for atleast $50k.
14:14 <@ShadowHntr> should i ask for salaried or hourly equivalent
14:14 <@sdodson> Unless this is your first IT job don't settle for less than $50k.
14:15  * sdodson has no idea
14:15 <@ShadowHntr> what's your email address
14:15 <@ShadowHntr> i'll forward you the requisition
14:33 <@sdodson> Is AMD expected to do anything interesting between now and the time that their Fusion based processors come out?
14:34 <@Dagmar> This summer's going to be pretty dead
14:35 <@Dagmar> Seems like everyone's just excited there's a Q2 and Q3 report to make at all
14:35 <@sdodson> Fusion has been pushed back to 2011. It seems I should give up hope of AMD being viable.
14:35 <@Dagmar> lol
14:36 <@Dagmar> Riiight
14:36 <@Dagmar> "OMG they're not making a gaming product with the name I was obsessing over!  SELL!!!"
14:37 <@sdodson> No, it's just that their current processor isn't at all compelling in the face of Nehalem based products.  With their next new architecture delayed until 2011 things look dismal.
14:38 <@Dagmar> The mid-range is where the money is at
14:39 <@sdodson> All I really want to do is replace my current AMD 3200+ with something that's about 4x as fast and consumes about 1/2 the power.
14:39 <@Dagmar> lol
14:40 <@Dagmar> That'll be eight times the cost
14:40 <@sdodson> Shouldn't be considering AMD 3200+ is a 5 year old chip at this point.
14:40 <@sdodson> Moore's law would say that should be possible.
14:41 <@Dagmar> Yeah which means the manufacturers have gotten the power down by half, but you've another couple of years before you can get 4x as fast without an order higher price
14:48 <@sdodson> AMD3200 = single core 2GHz chip.
14:48 <@sdodson> Phenom II X3 = triple core 2.5GHz chip.  Lets say that's 4x the cpu power.
14:50 <@sdodson> I'd say we're just about there.  Especially considering that my AMD3200+ has very basic power saving methods compared to anything modern.
14:52 <@Dagmar> Then we can also "let's say" it already exissts for less than the cost of your original chip and you just haven't been able to search it
15:27 <@sdodson> Ya, it's $119 on newegg versus $199 I paid for my current cpu.
16:11 < dasunt> Fuck, it is getting hot out.
16:42 < Todd> spithash: no
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17:01 <@polerin> finally have a third monitor.  woot.
17:23 <@sdodson> ick, multiple monitors
17:29 <@polerin> :P  I need it.  too many damn windows open
17:30 <@polerin> work irc + whatever irc + skype + IDE + server terminal + web browser(s) all generally needing to be visible
17:31 <@juice> heh
17:31 <@polerin> and the ide usually spans two monitors
17:31 <@polerin> so I can have a document set on each one
17:31 <@polerin> so... yeah. three monitors. :P
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17:53 <@sdodson> I prefer a larger single monitor.
17:55 <+Tefad> i prefer as many as i can fit on my desk.
17:55 <+Tefad> for the moment that is two 19" flat screens
17:55 <+Tefad> CRT wooo
17:59 <@sdodson> http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdodson/3626217791/sizes/o/
18:10 < [1NF0]> http://picasaweb.google.com/dmcmorris.esi/Office#5299784436363280114
18:10 < [1NF0]> sdodson: freaky
18:17 <@sdodson> [1NF0]: wtf is that ghetto shit?
18:18 < [1NF0]> my response to Tefad's monitors
18:19 <@sdodson> "Downloading Message Header 160 of 1180" this can't be good
18:19 < [1NF0]> am?
18:19 < [1NF0]> \hm?
18:20 < [1NF0]> you want ghetto shit... http://picasaweb.google.com/dmcmorris.esi/Misc#5320179422830698258
18:28 < Todd> I ran my main desktop's mobo out on a box like that for about 6 months.
18:28 < Todd> Mainly because I never get to go upstairs, but my wife made fun of me just as much.
18:29 < [1NF0]> I was talking about the light... but cool ;
18:29 < [1NF0]> ;)
18:30 < Todd> my new office doesn't even have a light
18:30 < Todd> its on the unfinished side of the basement :/
18:30 < [1NF0]> ha!
18:30 < Todd> I will happily call it the man cave though
18:30 <@sdodson> Sounds like a great place to play WoW!
18:31 < [1NF0]> my office has light... but I got sick of the shadows on my work table... so I grabbed an extra light from when I removed the ceiling in the storage room, a bit of cat5, an old power wire, and got to work
18:32 < [1NF0]> man cave rock! ;)
18:38 < Todd> sdodson: You play WoW?
18:40  * Todd would assume that you do not
18:42 <@sdodson> Todd: Why would you assume that?
18:43 < Todd> I dunno. You seem like the read a book type.
18:43  * Todd ducks just in case that offends
18:52 <@sdodson> Todd: I do neither. I did play wow in the past though.
18:52  * sdodson ponders dinner
19:08  * rhia ponders what she ponders every night
19:10 <@sdodson> rhia: the evil msm?!
19:23 <@Drag0n> i think so Rhia, but how do we get the chicken in the pantyhose?
19:23 <@sdodson> Drag0n: fry it first
19:24 <@rhia> with patience and baby powder
19:24 <@rhia> sdodson: meme fail
19:44 <@polerin> rhia: I think so, but where are we going to find rubber pants our size THIS time of night?
19:46 <@rhia> to side track the meme ... polerin, lemme take you to a favorite store
19:47 <@polerin> lol
19:55 <@polerin> http://stevie.eclexia.net/erin/tmp_img/three_monitors.png
19:56 <@polerin> (two out of the three are crt's, but I picked the second one up for $10 so I'm not going to complain ;p
20:06 <@rhia> polerin: freak
20:06 <@polerin> yeah?  and?
20:07 <@rhia> polerin: only 3? decrease the font, double the workload!
20:07 <@rhia> get 4 monitors, do 8 times the work
20:07  * rhia cracks the whip
20:07 <@polerin> I already HAVE decreased the font :/
20:08 <@rhia> and no, the whip is only used on those i luv, th rst of you louts can skulk back, m'kay
20:08 <@rhia> (*&%$
20:09  * rhia attacks the 'e' key on her beat up keyboard  - Behave!
20:10 <@rhia> polerin: piffle and pie - i joke because i can't see and Drag0n has a font that is nothing but squggly lines to me When I Sit In Front Of His Monitor
20:10 <@rhia> from my desk, general white dots on black
21:54 <@Evilpig> welcome to the three display club. http://gallery.wilpig.org/v/Miscellaneous/Computers/DSC03938.JPG.html
21:55 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: notlarry never called
21:55 <@tzanger> haha AND a TV
22:01 <@polerin> tzanger: I keep the tv out of my office on purpose
22:01 <@polerin> it's too tempting to put on something for background, then I get sucked in.
22:01 <@sasquatc4> hehe, should have a pic of mine, 1 monitor and 5 tvs
22:01 <@tzanger> yeah I don't have one either, but I do have mythtv on the box so it's still tempting
22:01 <@tzanger> but I find it's an easy temptation to avoid
22:03  * polerin nods
22:03 <@polerin> Evilpig: did it sorta freak you out the first time you sat at a desk with three monitors
22:03 <@polerin> like, really sat at it
22:03 <@polerin> not just wen't oh that's neat **plop**
22:06 <@polerin> I'm used to having two, and sorta facing between the two of them
22:06 <@polerin> now that there are three, I have computer monitor in my pereferial vision at almost all times.  it sorta disconnects me from the room in a weird way
22:07 < dasunt> My awesome skills.
22:07 < dasunt> "I can get hits on dating sites"
22:08 <@tzanger> I haven't done a 3 monitor set up yet
22:09 <@polerin> tzanger: this is my first
22:09 < dasunt> polerin: Your first threesome?
22:09  * dasunt remembers his first.
22:10 <@polerin> cute.
22:10 < dasunt> You set me up.
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22:12 <@Evilpig> not really.  I just found it really handy
22:13 <@Evilpig> found it REALLY handy for stretching out long long files across all three
22:13 < dasunt> I find second and third monitors useful for documentation.
22:14 < dasunt> But with monitor prices, and the resolution they are capable of, I'm really only used to focusing on one monitor.
22:14 <@Evilpig> keeping email on one and a web browser on another and always having that middle free is nice
22:14 < dasunt> Aye.
22:15 < dasunt> But I do want to beat you for your behavior resulting in email-as-im.
22:15 <@Evilpig> I tend to keep my main terminal window here in the middle and stuff I was semi-working on or somethign I got distracted from on the sides
22:15 <@Evilpig> I have IM on my right
22:15 <@Evilpig> I get alot of info for websites in email and it's handy to keep up
22:15 < dasunt> Ah, okay.
22:16 < dasunt> Btw, I have a job hunting theory.
22:16 <@Evilpig> if you have a job you can find a shitload.  if you don't have one you can't?
22:16 < dasunt> I email their tech department.  If I get a reply in < 5 minutes, I want to get hired.  They don't have enough to do.  :p
22:19 <@Drag0n> so, all you working fuckers find me a job
22:21 < dasunt> Drag0n: If I could, I'd fire asshat newbie and hire you, but you probably don't want to move to Minnesota for an entry-level position.
22:22 <@Drag0n> nope, 75+k at least
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23:01 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o kive] by rhia
23:02 <@rhia>  kive FOUNDED the SE part of se2600 - you wanna argue, bite be, and ask Dole
23:03 <@polerin> ahaha
23:04 <@polerin> kive: I think you just flipped rhia out
23:04 <@polerin> ;p
23:04 <@rhia> nah, just made me happy
23:05 <@kive> hehe =)
23:05 <@kive> And hello, btw -- lots of old familiar names I haven't talked to in forever in here
23:06 <@rhia> youse should stop by more oftens <g>
23:06  * Drag0n pokes kive with a large amount of bandwidth
23:06 <@rhia> hehe
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23:08 <@kive> I haven't had time for IRC in ages. Blame/praise the Freesiders. ;)
23:08 <@polerin> who actually HAS time for irc :P
23:08 <@kive> And hello, Drag0n, it has been a long time indeed. I'll be sure to send you a good ol' fashioned ping flood in your honor!
23:09 <@kive> polerin: You can flip rhia out, too -- just disappear for a few years at a time =)
23:09 <@Drag0n> hehe, no worries, i will just send a smurf packet as an echo reply
23:09 <@Drag0n> little blue packets are always fun
23:09 <@polerin> Well, In some ways I've dissapeared completely but that's a whole 'nother box of worms
23:10 <@kive> hehe, the blue ones are the best. ;)
23:10 <@rhia> kive: i is here, you is ghost ;P~~~~~
23:11 <@Drag0n> side question, if smurfs have blue balls, does that mean smurffette aint putin out?
23:11 <@kive> rhia: I know, I know.
23:11 <@polerin> Drag0n: no way.  The carpenter smurf was totally hot for papa
23:11 <@kive> Drag0n: Just for papa smurf.
23:11  * rhia thaps Drag0n with a virginal trout
23:11 <@Drag0n> hehe
23:12 <@polerin> ... You know, I don't even want to consider the virginal aspect of that
23:12 <@kive> Anyways, chatting with Rhia for a few and then working on school stuff. I'll be lurking but probably won't have time to catch up until later tonight or tomorrow. I'll try to stick around as long as I'm on IRC for freeside anyways. ;)
23:16 <@rhia> polerin: virginal trout are easy to spot, they're wearing promise rings <g>
23:17 <@kive> Any other good freenode channels I'm missing, btw? Got dc404, se2600 and freesideatl already
23:17 <@polerin> REMEMBER, the way it surrounds your finger is a reminder of GODS LOVE
23:17 <@kive> I don't suppose they've moved #2600 and #hack over here?
23:17 <@kive> ;)
23:17 <@polerin> that depends on your definition of "good"
23:17 <@polerin> :P
23:17 <@rhia> nashvegas
23:17 <@Drag0n> #200 cant figue out the nickserv registrations
23:17 <@Drag0n> #2600
23:20 <@kive> #2600 actually here, or is it overlapped with the old one?
23:24 <@rhia> nope, #se2600 here, no overlap with the (sadly overrun) kiddie 2600 channels (tho, gawds, they do try here)
23:25 <@rhia> good to see you Kive - you've been missed
23:27 <@kive> Okay, I might have to go see how long it takes me to get ops in the native #2600 and #hack without talking. Been forever since I touched an IRC client, heh
23:28 <@rhia> hehe, kive, in those channels, you're over 14, you're OLD ;)
23:30 <@sdodson> here too lololzroflmao
23:30 <@sdodson> kive: a/s/l?1!
23:32 <@kive> sdodson: 19/f/atl - u?
23:32 <@sdodson> omg atl!
23:32 <@kive> rofl
23:33  * polerin smacks sdodson's nose with a rolled up newspaper
23:33 <@sdodson> polerin: DO NOT WANT!
23:34 <@rhia> sdodson - you of the logs from hell, you don't recognize kive?  2nd fail of the day
23:35 <@sdodson> It sounds vaguely familiar.
23:35 <@sdodson> I'd have to dig up cdr log archives.
23:36 <@kive> I remember sdodson. ;)
23:36 <@kive> He's probably older now, though. Alzheimers can set in with age, you know.
23:37 <@polerin> this would explain the randomly anti-social .. wait.  nm.
23:37 <@kive> sdodson: how far back do your logs go? :)
23:37 <@sdodson> June 2008. I've lost harddrives and switched around too much.
23:37 <@polerin> that's all?
23:37 <@polerin> pht.
23:38 <@kive> ah
23:38 <@kive> heh
23:38 <@sdodson> polerin: You can keep reading past the first period in a line ya know
23:38 <@kive> I won't be in em, then
23:38 <@sdodson> i'll stop using punctuation to make it easier
23:38 <@polerin> sdodson: what's punctuation?
23:38 <@sdodson> YOU JUST USED IT!
23:41 <@kive> kive is away... got to edumacate myself for a bit
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