--- Log opened Sat Jun 13 00:00:11 2009 00:15 < uSynx> Anyone us a linksys pap2? 00:15 < uSynx> should i seutp my voip account with IAX2 or SIP 00:18 -!- CRasH180 [n=crash180@pdpc/supporter/bronze/CRasH180] has joined #se2600 00:18 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o CRasH180] by ChanServ 01:21 -!- Falun [n=Richard@ppp-71-139-206-45.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:24 -!- Falun [n=Richard@ppp-71-139-206-45.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #se2600 01:25 <@jb7od> what a suck night. i want my beer money back and trade the whole thing for jacking off and crying myself to sleep like normal. 01:29 <@jb7od> I am glad mercster is not here. 01:30 <@jb7od> msg nickserv identify somepass 01:30 <@jb7od> sometimes 01:32 <@jb7od> urkk... 01:32 <@jb7od> akk 01:33 <@jb7od> i'm changing into something else... 01:33 <@jb7od> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa 01:33 -!- jb7od is now known as mfph 01:52 <@mfph> that's better! that's SELFESTEEM right therr. how many balltrollers are at fucking bonnaroo slogging through the mix of vomit and mud? 02:20 <@dasunt> What's self-eseteem? 02:29 -!- Falun [n=Richard@ppp-71-139-206-45.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 02:32 <@mfph> the fact it upsets girls that my balls don't tighten up when i fuck. 02:33 <@dasunt> They give a damn? 02:33 <@dasunt> Wow. 02:33 <@mfph> only when they notice that... 02:34 <@dasunt> I'm back to probably being effectively single (it's complicated), and when people start talking about their experiences with women, it doesn't make me miss them. 02:34 <@mfph> that's the distributive property in action. 02:34 <@mfph> are u good or bad about that? 02:34 <@mfph> the single shit? 02:34 <@dasunt> Good or bad about what? 02:34 <@dasunt> Single? 02:35 <@mfph> yeh 02:35 <@dasunt> It's complicated. 02:35 <@dasunt> Trying to change it in several different ways. 02:35 <@mfph> doesn't sound that good. sorry man. 02:35 <@mfph> but i tell you what 02:35 <@dasunt> Oh, it's just that God has a sick sense of humor. 02:35 <@mfph> yeh 02:36 <@mfph> see adding jesus made everybody think god's some kind of allegorical good guy. 02:36 <@dasunt> And hell, the person I want now, I'm slightly glad I don't have. I'm pretty emotionally scarred, I fear that I couldn't keep a relationship I cared about going. 02:36 <@mfph> forgot about pillars of salt and shit... 02:37 <@mfph> let your dick do the thinking for awhile and it will all straighten itself out. 02:37 <@mfph> sounds like you need some good ol callous self gratification shit. 02:37 <@dasunt> Yep. 02:37 <@dasunt> then again, I'm old fashioned, I need to respect the person I'm sleeping with. 02:37 <@mfph> to wash the emotion out- 02:38 <@mfph> well you can cut it with adoration and even worship but make sure that YOURE respected before you go doling out respect 02:39 <@mfph> that shit is earned man. 02:39 <@dasunt> The problem is, I probably suck at dating, because I don't really care. 02:39 <@dasunt> Y'know the whole "act normal" shit? Fuck that. Life's too short to pretend. 02:39 <@mfph> yeah. i know what you mean 02:39 <@mfph> normal is a mechanism of control anyway 02:41 <@dasunt> I may warn them first, but let them run if they want to. 02:41 <@mfph> warn em what? 02:41 <@dasunt> Whatever. 02:41 <@mfph> na man that scares em fo sho man. 02:41 <@mfph> just act like your crazy is the new normal 02:41 <@dasunt> Hey, I drive a shitty car, I do geeky shit for fun, whatnot. 02:42 <@mfph> me too 02:42 <@mfph> but there's.. man 02:42 <@mfph> i just have to throw it away. 02:42 <@mfph> it's sad. 02:42 <@dasunt> Why fake it? 02:42 <@mfph> and what i have to come home to is so fucked up. 02:42 <@dasunt> Be real, it saves time. 02:43 <@mfph> oh i wear the demon ring of dad. it's far too late for reality. lol. 02:44 <@mfph> but i'll go out and meet a girl here or there that treats me with respect or looks at me like she really really wants too much attention and it KILLS me 02:45 <@mfph> my moral compass won't let me let em have any. 02:45 <@mfph> and i come home to "you're a loser all you do is that fucking computer!" 02:45 <@mfph> AWESOME! 02:45 <@mfph> girls are control freaks 02:46 <@mfph> they're also hellafied competitive 02:46 <@mfph> i take off the ring. 02:46 <@mfph> i start going out. 02:46 <@mfph> marriage improves.... 02:46 <@mfph> you tell me man.. hahaha. 02:47 <@dasunt> See, I don't have kids. 02:47 <@dasunt> Don't want them. 02:47 <@dasunt> Just let me settle down with someone and live the life of sin. 02:47 <@dasunt> Someone wtih a brain and a high sex drive. 02:47 <@mfph> man it's deep about kids. i love them so much. i know that's hella generic, but it's true. 02:47 <@dasunt> I love kids as well. 02:48 <@dasunt> That's why I don't want them. 02:48 <@mfph> i think this whole culture is designed to keep us from being kings bro. 02:48 <@dasunt> I've had a bad falling out with the ex wife. 02:48 <@dasunt> I don't want to put a kid through that. 02:48 <@mfph> RIGHT 02:48 <@mfph> that's exactly right 02:48 <@dasunt> And when it comes to stuff like child custody, males get the short end of the stick. 02:48 <@mfph> i don't put the kids through it. i put ME through it. 02:49 <@mfph> usually but if you play ur cards right u can win, but that just means you took mommy away. 02:50 <@dasunt> Yah. 02:50 <@mfph> i could duke on this shit right here but there's no winning. 02:50 <@mfph> because i can't have a grip of wives. 02:50 <@mfph> it's society- i'm convinced. 02:50 <@dasunt> Really, being a guy isn't that great. 02:51 <@mfph> it's all about giving women enough balls to go to work and deballing the men to not be a threat. 02:51 <@mfph> fuck no it's not. 02:51 <@mfph> it's hell 02:51 <@mfph> lol 02:51 <@dasunt> What's the benefit? Making a little more per hour? Better chance of being a powerful politician or businessman. 02:51 <@dasunt> that's about it. 02:51 <@mfph> you know what else women win? bankruptcy. 02:52 <@mfph> when you're married, if she makes the statistically short check, guess who they come for? 02:52 <@dasunt> What do you mean? 02:52 <@dasunt> mfph: Oh, we "fixed" that in Minnesota. 02:52 <@dasunt> Now, when people divorce, gender isn't figured into child support payments. 02:52 <@mfph> my shit gets cut in half for debt i have nothing to do with but a fucking ring. 02:52 <@mfph> penned by the hand with the other one 02:53 <@dasunt> When this changed, I actually read people arguing that it was sexist because women have to work to get ahead in life and make more money. 02:53 <@mfph> even if i leave today, i STILL get my check slaughtered... 02:53 <@dasunt> Yep. 02:53 <@dasunt> You want to see something fun? Get divorced, with child support, and have your income drop drastically. It wont' change how much you pay in support for awhile. 02:54 <@mfph> i'm sure 02:54 <@mfph> i'd probably end up paying support plus the whole bankruptcy. 02:54 <@mfph> oh oh oh but we're on the mend. 02:54 <@mfph> i go out some. 02:54 <@mfph> so now it's "i miss you" 02:55 <@dasunt> Ain't life fun? 02:55 <@mfph> even more awesome than highschool 02:55 <@dasunt> Aye. 02:57 <@mfph> well if you're rebounding i think you oughtta shelf the emotion until you get a little guilt of selfishness to counter the scarring. 02:57 <@mfph> next girl will NOT understand it... 02:58 <@mfph> nor want to talk about it for two seconds. 02:58 <@dasunt> Oh, it fucks me over anyways. 02:59 <@dasunt> Too much conditioning with a flawed environment. 02:59 <@mfph> u ever get out? 03:00 <@mfph> i've been on 8 years of agoraphobia, so it's not going to mess with me if you say no 03:00 <@dasunt> I try to get out. 03:00 <@mfph> and i'm serious. just work... 03:01 <@dasunt> It is very easy for me to just work, so I fight it. 03:02 <@mfph> well go pull up somewhere and be charming lol. 03:02 <@mfph> once you attract somebody, be dispassionate and you'll be surprised how much it helps the old esteem 03:02 <@mfph> because they start TRYING 03:03 <@mfph> THATs the payback 03:03 <@mfph> if you're like "hey here's this heart" they're like "i win" and you're not a one-level game.. nahmeen? 03:03 <@mfph> even if you are, LIE lol 03:04 <@dasunt> I don't need to be treated like a God though. 03:04 * dasunt is too nice. 03:04 <@mfph> nah, it's all about effort on the other side. 03:05 <@mfph> girls are competitive. i wish i had chanted that from 18 to now... 03:05 <@mfph> in my head 03:05 <@mfph> and they have sex for the same reasons guys do- all that other shit about decorum and manners and all that is a safety sham 03:06 <@dasunt> I dunno. 03:06 <@dasunt> I think women are far more fucked up in the head then men when it comes to sex. 03:06 <@dasunt> But maybe I've just been unlucky. 03:07 <@mfph> i have to say i think it's probably 50/50... 03:07 <@mfph> they don't see their damage as damage, and neither do we. 03:08 <@mfph> we just can't identify across the board. 03:09 <@mfph> man i wish i did so much shit different. i'm so dumb. 03:09 <@mfph> hindsight is a mf. 03:10 <@dasunt> Guys tend to blame themselves more. 03:11 <@mfph> here again, i think that's society. but i'll agree. 03:11 <@mfph> "if i was a man, you wouldn't be a fucking bitch" 03:11 <@mfph> lol 03:11 <@dasunt> Well, guys are supposed to fix things. 03:12 <@mfph> right 03:12 <@mfph> put the bread on the table, fix the cars, make lots of money, smile in vacation pictures, 03:12 <@mfph> but honestly- 03:13 <@mfph> when was the last time you saw a girl go for an apron to cook for your ass? 03:13 <@mfph> it's a 50's douche concept that doesn't function. 03:14 <@mfph> the nuclear family is a product of the nuclear age. 03:16 <@mfph> i'm just saying. 03:16 <@mfph> i'm saying it because i'm bitter as fucking hell. hahaha. 03:17 <@mfph> man i've met some really really badass girls since i've started going out again, and i mean more badass than i would have hoped for ever ever ever giving me the time of day. 03:17 <@dasunt> I'd also have to say that, yes, guys commit more crimes, but damnit, the legal system is not kind to our gender. 03:17 <@mfph> and then i get to "you know, you're really cool but I have to tell you something... " 03:18 <@mfph> SKRRRRRRRT!! that's that. 03:18 <@mfph> guys commit more crimes for the same reasons as the supposed to fix things notion. 03:19 <@mfph> nobody ever meant to get caught. 03:19 <@mfph> well not many. 03:19 <@dasunt> Yah, but look at the crimes that happen when women go batshit crazy. 03:19 <@mfph> you get buried with your dick in your mouth. they do wild shit. 03:20 <@dasunt> Then they get a far lesser sentence. 03:20 <@mfph> right. but that's more of the 50's: the mentality is that Aunt Bea was insane with emotion 03:20 <@dasunt> Yep. 03:20 <@dasunt> Or that guys deserve it. 03:20 <@mfph> but girls are NOT feeble minded 03:21 <@dasunt> Look at teacher/student statutory rape -- you can tell the genders by if people are outraged or thinks the teen liked it. 03:21 <@mfph> even though there's lots that will play that card... 03:21 <@mfph> dude- i'd let a teacher fuck. i'd feel like a pimp. 03:21 <@mfph> lol 03:22 <@dasunt> I knew someone who as a teen had a woman sexually abuse him. 03:22 <@mfph> i'd just know that mrs. so and so was gonna play with my dick, and i'd get all sprung.. 03:22 <@dasunt> He's still a bit fucked up from that. 03:22 <@mfph> coulda been a dude though.. 03:22 <@dasunt> She was also his legal guardian at the time. 03:22 <@dasunt> Which is really fucked up. 03:22 <@mfph> yeah............ 03:23 <@mfph> that's a lil unusual 03:23 <@mfph> i had some fucked up babysitter girls, but idk- it didn't... well on second thought. 03:23 <@mfph> lol 03:24 <@mfph> i'm schizo in bed. 03:24 <@mfph> lol 03:24 <@dasunt> There's a theory that statutory rape damages females more because society treats it as a more serious crime. 03:24 <@dasunt> I dunno. 03:24 <@mfph> well so much rape really isn't, or is and goes unrequieted, it's so hard to really say. 03:25 <@mfph> that was really popular where i went to school- girl fucks guy. girl gets made fun of. girl claims rape. 03:25 <@mfph> at a really really messed up rate. 03:26 <@mfph> and it is totally DAMNING to the guy accused- 03:26 <@mfph> without review 03:26 <@dasunt> I've seen that happen. 03:26 <@dasunt> That's fucked up. 03:26 <@mfph> boys are just as much preyed on as girls. 03:27 <@dasunt> Did you see that case in Canada just a bit back? 03:27 <@mfph> because no gender has the commodity on sexual predation. 03:27 <@mfph> na what was it? 03:27 <@dasunt> Several girls accused a cab driver of raping them after they didn't want to pay their fair. 03:27 <@dasunt> Er, fare. 03:27 <@dasunt> Cab driver had been robbed a year before, so he a camera in the cab. 03:27 <@mfph> several? like in the same cab? 03:27 <@dasunt> Er, he had. 03:27 <@dasunt> mfph: Yep. 03:27 <@dasunt> 4 girls, IIRC. 03:27 <@mfph> wtf 03:28 <@dasunt> They aren't being prosecuted. 03:28 <@mfph> four girls could kick my as... 03:28 <@mfph> assss... 03:28 <@mfph> lol 03:28 <@mfph> now i'm doing it. 03:28 <@dasunt> IMO, they should be charged and sentenced to doing community service involving real rape victims. 03:28 <@mfph> well that's catty bitches for you- 03:28 <@mfph> they'll sell you for a dollar to save face. 03:29 <@mfph> it's as real as any fucked up scoutmaster. 03:30 <@dasunt> Catty? Fuck that. Call it for what it is -- psychopathic. 03:31 <@mfph> well in its origin all that shit has a common cause- lack of communication (starting with parent child) begets duplicity, begets lack of trust, begets devaluated truth. 03:32 <@mfph> but if i had five wives, my pants would be clean, and somebody would be interested in sucking me down before one of the others. 03:33 <@mfph> and i wouldn't be this fuckin hungry all the time. 03:34 <@mfph> at work this one girl will like look at me if i talk to other ladies at the office, like bullshit around- she's posessive... 03:34 <@mfph> she WANTS me to like her. 03:35 <@mfph> competitively. 03:35 <@mfph> if i went into her cube and was like omg i love you so much >p00f< no stalker. garunteed. 03:36 * dasunt ponders fire. 03:36 <@mfph> it gives them butterflies to have failure be a fair outcome. 03:38 <@mfph> i think that's why alot of them start drama in relationships 03:38 <@mfph> when you're like "where is this crazy shit coming from?!?!?!" it's just make believe to add challenge 03:38 <@mfph> to introduce failure 03:38 <@mfph> or at least the possibility. 03:39 <@dasunt> Yep. 03:41 <@mfph> idk- it doesn't have to be russian roulette 03:42 <@mfph> mane. but for real. you have the power 03:42 <@mfph> i'll tell you something a girl i have serious emotional problems over told me: 03:43 <@mfph> "It's your life. You can do whatever you want with it". 03:44 <@mfph> (i think that was my queue to jerk her pants down) 03:45 <@mfph> So don't be a dumbass like me, the next time you see some life, do whatever you want with it... 03:45 <@mfph> ;D 03:48 <@mfph> alas, i'm passing out. but thx for talking. 03:53 <@dasunt> you too. 06:04 -!- CRasH180 [n=crash180@pdpc/supporter/bronze/CRasH180] has quit ["Leaving"] 06:05 -!- CRasH180 [n=crash180@pdpc/supporter/bronze/CRasH180] has joined #se2600 06:05 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o CRasH180] by ChanServ 07:53 -!- poiupoiu [i=hectorgo@oxnard.dreamhost.com] has joined #se2600 07:53 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o poiupoiu] by ChanServ 08:10 -!- Irongeek [n=Adrian@unaffiliated/irongeek] has joined #se2600 08:16 -!- Irongeek [n=Adrian@unaffiliated/irongeek] has quit ["Leaving."] 11:17 <@sdodson> wtf is a mfph? 11:17 <@sdodson> sounds like a punk band 11:18 <@mfph> technically it's industrial 11:21 <@mfph> http://m0refire.com/mfph 11:25 <@mfph> Mother Fucking Porter Haile. (b.k.a. in here as jb7od) 11:30 <@sdodson> ya i figured that out, cool 12:54 -!- Netsplit niven.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: +Gatewayy, @unixfg 12:54 -!- Netsplit over, joins: @unixfg, +Gatewayy 12:58 -!- dasunt_ [n=dasunt@63-228-42-57.mpls.qwest.net] has joined #se2600 13:10 -!- dasunt [n=dasunt@unaffiliated/dasunt] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 14:03 -!- dasunt_ [n=dasunt@63-228-42-57.mpls.qwest.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 14:04 -!- dasunt [n=dasunt@71-34-19-213.mpls.qwest.net] has joined #se2600 14:18 -!- spithash [n=spithash@bsdunix.info] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:24 -!- ShadowHntr [n=sentinel@wikipedia/Shadowhntr] has joined #se2600 15:24 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o ShadowHntr] by ChanServ 15:52 < dasunt> God has a sense of humor. 15:52 < dasunt> I just wish I wasn't the punchline. 15:52 < dasunt> :( 15:59 <@ShadowHntr> do you expect to find him laughing when you die? 16:00 <@ShadowHntr> sorry, Depeche Mode reference, "Blasphemous Rumours" 16:33 -!- Thrynn [n=Thrynn@c-67-191-227-212.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 16:36 < dasunt> I listen to that song regularly. 17:00 -!- spithash [n=spithash@bsdunix.info] has joined #se2600 17:19 <@Shadow404> newest addition to the shadow404 household: www.snsweather.com/molly.jpg 17:26 < dasunt> Shadow404: Much better than a child! 17:26 <@Shadow404> hahaha 17:27 <@Shadow404> yeah, i dont need a 1.0 or 2.0 17:27 < dasunt> I love craigslist. 17:27 < dasunt> The personal ads are great. 17:27 < dasunt> And guys don't understand why they don't get responses. 17:28 <@Shadow404> yeah, especially when i found your mom's post on there 17:29 < dasunt> My mom is lonely. And needs money. :( 17:29 <@sdodson> Is that a rescue dog? 17:30 <@sdodson> Shadow404: what's snsweather mean? 17:30 <@sdodson> nerrrmind i can hit linkz 17:30 <@Shadow404> shadow and scotchick 17:30 <@Shadow404> yes, rescue dog 17:31 <@Shadow404> heh, i need to adjust the night time background setting 17:31 <@Shadow404> changes from blue to black with sundown and sun up 17:31 <@polerin> wow that discussion this morning was sorta fucked up 17:31 <@Shadow404> but i havent adjusted it since march 17:31 <@Shadow404> what happened? 17:31 <@polerin> eh 17:32 <@polerin> ranging from how "being a guy isn't that great", to how "many rapes are just girls saying they were raped because they got teased afterwards" to "Once you win someone trying being dispassioniate because it makes THEM faun all over you." 17:35 <@polerin> and talking about how they thing rape is a false accusation most of the time, and it's only harmful because such a big deal is made out of it. 17:36 < dasunt> OMG. 17:36 < dasunt> http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/mne/1175913837.html 17:36 < dasunt> Wow. 17:36 < dasunt> Lotsa crazy there. 17:37 <@polerin> O_o 17:37 <@polerin> oh, wow. 17:37 <@polerin> talk about closeted. 17:38 < dasunt> No, no, he's not gay. There's a female realdoll in their "threesome". 17:38 <@polerin> I'm pretty sure that having sex with another guy through the aid of a sex toy is still .... same-gender-sex 17:39 < dasunt> Probably. 17:39 < dasunt> But there's a chance it falls into one of those fetish sex categories that trascends normal gender orientation. 17:40 <@Shadow404> sdodson: ok, snsweather background reset, black background at 8:51p est and blue at 6:27a est 17:40 < dasunt> http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/nyc/1170080841.html 17:41 <@polerin> possibility, but... wow. I mean look at the realdoll stats, he's overcompensating in basically every way possible 17:42 < [1NF0]> depends on what sex is. I believe it to be the penetration of a real penis into a real anus or vagina. The use of toys, "oral sex", "handjobs", etc, although "sexual activity", is not "sex" to me... 17:42 <@Shadow404> so wait 17:42 < [1NF0]> yes, lesbians don't have sex with each other 17:42 <@polerin> [1NF0]: so in otherwords it's impossible for two women to have sex 17:42 < [1NF0]> I knew that'd come up ;) 17:42 <@Shadow404> [1NF0]: in your definition, a guy giving you a handjob isnt gay if you a guy? no, sorry, that makes you gay 17:42 <@polerin> I totally, 100% dispute that rather male centric view of sex :P 17:43 <@polerin> Shadow404: or at least really desperate 17:43 <@polerin> XD 17:43 < [1NF0]> Shadow404: I didn't say it wasn't gay... I just said it wasn't gay sex ;) 17:43 <@Shadow404> sorry, handjob is still a form of sexual gratification 17:43 <@Shadow404> so still sex in my book 17:43 <@polerin> it's totally sex 17:43 < [1NF0]> is masturbation sex? 17:43 <@polerin> you can take your facination with your penis and shove it 17:43 < dasunt> In [1NF0]'s world, lesbians aren't possible. 17:43 <@polerin> dasunt: apparently not. 17:43 < dasunt> :( 17:44 < [1NF0]> I didn't say that 17:44 < dasunt> Well, your lesbians can't have sex with each other. 17:44 <@polerin> you're saying sex isn't possible without a penis 17:44 <@polerin> that's pretty much the height of penis worship 17:44 <@polerin> well, one of the heights 17:44 <@Shadow404> [1NF0]: masturbation is just practice, if theres no partner involved 17:45 <@polerin> and you don't even have the fallback of "well penis is neccisary for procreation" because you specified anal sex 17:45 <@polerin> so in other words, you're just hooked on your dong. 17:45 < dasunt> "Craigslist is an interesting place full of great people who make up for the fact that it also has people who want to dress up as Benjamin Franklin and have you shove balsa wood airplanes up their assholes while they blow farm animals." 17:45 < dasunt> http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/cae/1167023602.html 17:47 < [1NF0]> although I'm now arguing with myself about anal sex... so I'm going to have to re think this... I was going to say "the penetration of the sexual organ of one person into the sexual organ of another"... but that would eliminate anal :-/ 17:47 * [1NF0] is sooo conflicted 17:48 < dasunt> http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/nyc/1165835703.html 17:48 <@Shadow404> the penetration of an item by another partner isnt sex? 17:48 < dasunt> ^- Okay, I can't classify that crazy. 17:48 < dasunt> It is a crazy though. 17:49 <@polerin> [1NF0]: really, you're caught up in the patriarchal mindset of "sex isn't possible without a penis, because the penis is all mighty and anything else is invalid." 17:49 < [1NF0]> I don't consider "oral sex" or "hand jobs" sex, nor the use of artificial devices... but I am now having difficulty quantifying it... 17:50 < [1NF0]> polerin: I didn't think so, but I did say that... so, I'm at a loss... 17:50 < dasunt> And now for something not from the best of craigslist: http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/w4m/1220230059.html 17:50 * dasunt dies inside, a little. 17:51 <@polerin> lol 17:51 <@polerin> that's just bad 17:51 < [1NF0]> I mean, if somebody asked me if a surgically enlongated clitoris penetrated into the vagina of another person was sex, I'd probably do on the side of "no" 17:51 <@polerin> [1NF0]: what is is. if the data doesn't match up with the hypothisis, then the hypothisis is wrong or there's something wrong with the experiment 17:52 <@polerin> considering the fact that this isn't an experiment and just the entirety of the human race, I'm pretty sure that the hypothisis is where the problem lies 17:52 <@polerin> not that humanity isn't fucked up and all, but the definition of sex doesn't really speak to that. 17:53 < [1NF0]> polerin: yeah, I guess so... I'm conflicted as to how I define sex now, much less humanity... every argument I make to myself to quantify my belief conflicts... 17:54 <@sdodson> stop thinking so much you fags 17:54 * [1NF0] googles "how to perform a lobotomy on yourself" 17:54 <@polerin> [1NF0]: keep in mind I slightly seperate the biological "sexual-intercourse" in terms of procreation (which doesn't actually have to .. yhknow... involve having sex) from "Sex" the physical act of getting it the fuck on. 17:54 <@polerin> ;p 17:55 <@polerin> aaaaand there's the homophobic language, thanks, I knew this was missing something 17:55 <@sdodson> ya it does 17:55 <@sdodson> when was the first birth by means other than having sex? 17:55 <@polerin> dood. Turkey baster 17:55 <@sdodson> 1978 17:56 <@polerin> all kinds of artificial insemination techniques. Not to mention I don't think rape qualifies as the second 17:57 < dasunt> LOL: http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/van/1141856743.html 17:57 < [1NF0]> polerin: I certainly don't believe in the "it's only sex if it can potentially cause reproduction", and don't believe that sex is required for reproduction... I think we're on a similar page there... 17:57 < [1NF0]> but damn... what is "sex" and what is mearly "sexual activity", and why? gah! 17:57 <@Shadow404> rape is still a form of sex, a form where the perpetrator should have his dick cut off and his balls shoved down his throat, but sex nonetheless 17:58 <@Shadow404> and then be left to bleed to death while being thrown in a pool full of leeches 17:59 <@polerin> Shadow404: considering that we are talking about Sex as "the act of getting it on", I really don't count it. 17:59 <@polerin> Consent is required for it to be sex and not rape for me. 17:59 <@Shadow404> getting it on can be many interpretations by many diffrent people 17:59 <@polerin> sex is something you choose to do 17:59 <@polerin> Shadow404: you consider raping someone to be getting it on? 17:59 <@polerin> :P 17:59 <@Shadow404> i dont, but somoene else screwed up in the head would 18:00 <@polerin> ok, see, there's the key bit in that. They are fucked up in the head. 18:00 <@polerin> which is what leads to things like rape victims being stoned as adulturesses. 18:00 <@polerin> so no, it's not sex :P 18:01 < [1NF0]> gah! I have no opinion!!!! dang it! another decision for something unrelated is now conflicted to me! har... :-/ 18:01 <@sdodson> what? 18:01 * sdodson watches polerin bring out the victim parade 18:01 <@sdodson> 19:12 <@polerin> ok, see, there's the key bit in that. They are fucked up in the head. 18:01 <@sdodson> 19:12 <@polerin> which is what leads to things like rape victims being stoned as adulturesses. 18:01 <@sdodson> ^^^ HOWWWWWWWWWW WHYYYYYYYYYYYYY WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF? 18:02 <@polerin> wtf what? 18:02 <@sdodson> It makes no sense to me. 18:02 < [1NF0]> polerin: I'm getting the impression that "sex" is perhaps more emotional than physical? assuming "consent" is an emotion... 18:02 <@polerin> which part? 18:03 <@sdodson> Rapist is mentally screwed up -> rapee stoned as adulturess 18:03 <@polerin> sdodson: oh, no I wasn't refering to the rapist in specific 18:03 <@polerin> more the mentality of seeing rape as sex 18:04 <@sdodson> but it feels good dood! 18:04 <@polerin> [1NF0]: i'm not sure it's possible to draw a brightline difference 18:04 <@sdodson> sorry, ware is gone, someone had to say it 18:04 <@polerin> sdodson: yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa I see you gave in to your urge to troll me whenever I type something :P 18:04 <@polerin> hehe 18:04 <@sdodson> Well it's just that you like to feel victimized, and wellll I like to victimize 18:05 <@polerin> [1NF0]: I think that intent, degree of physicality, and emotion are three big factors 18:05 <@polerin> I ... like to feel vicitmized? heh 18:05 <@polerin> so THAT's why I decided to place myself in one of the most socially vunerable classes in our society! 18:05 <@sdodson> polerin: You sure capitalize on the opportunity whenever it presents itself. 18:05 <@polerin> DAMNIT I KNEW THERE WAS AN EXPLANATION 18:06 <@polerin> capitalize? Like I profit somehow by opening my mouth when somethings fucked up? 18:06 <@sdodson> http://www.flickr.com/photos/mattw/3621022859/ 18:06 <@polerin> actually I usually just get yelled at and being told that I have no sense of humor :P 18:07 <@sdodson> Something like that. I can't communicate it in a way that you'll understand so I''m going to go for a peaceful walk. 18:07 <@polerin> I don't really enjoy that, I just can't let shit pass by that's fucked up 18:07 <@polerin> sdodson: you're saying that it meets a psychological need that I have 18:07 <@sdodson> Ya. 18:07 <@polerin> which is interesting seeing as you're not in my head nor really honestly interact with me around these issues 18:08 <@sdodson> Ya, my powers are pretty intense. 18:08 <@sdodson> Dispite those odds, I still figured it out. 18:08 <@polerin> I see calling out bullshit as a social responsibility, and one that leads to all kinds of frustration and stress for me. 18:08 <@polerin> I really don't enjoy it or profit from it, and it's caused me any number of problems. 18:08 <@polerin> so.. no. 18:09 <@polerin> enjoy your walk ;P 18:09 <@sdodson> Back in an hour. 18:10 <@rhia> like he said, the usual troll isn't here, so he felt someone had to speak from sewer line under the bridge ;) 18:11 <@polerin> course 18:11 <@rhia> now, WHY he felt that was a necessity is a mystery 18:11 <@polerin> including the bit about me "enjoying feeling like a victim" 18:11 <@rhia> saw that, typical trolling 18:12 <@rhia> let's derail any meaningful conversation with a personalized insult 18:13 <@rhia> the whole WHY that has to be necessary in the majority of social conversations in here eludes me 18:17 < dasunt> Classic: http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/sfo/1157378129.html 18:25 < dasunt> Damn, I'm bored. 18:33 < dasunt> Very bored. 18:37 <@rhia> got lots of stuff here to do, any good with patching drywall? 18:37 <@CRasH180> Not me 18:38 < dasunt> rhia: Sure, got a red headed 27-ish year old around to trade for a drywall patching job? 18:38 <@rhia> would have to ask her husband about that 18:52 < dasunt> Probably not then. 18:53 < dasunt> Gawd, I'm bored. 18:53 * dasunt ponders going to the bar. 18:53 < dasunt> Yes, I'm that bored. 18:53 <@rhia> don't be so sure about that .... i know some interesting people 18:54 <@CRasH180> dasunt: That was an interesting craigslist article 18:54 < dasunt> rhia: I wouldn't be up for it. 18:55 * dasunt has his own morality. 18:55 <@rhia> ah, well, to each his own 18:58 < dasunt> I have to make my life difficult. 19:46 <@sdodson> polerin: ohhai i'm back! 19:47 <@sdodson> 19:23 <@rhia> saw that, typical trolling 19:47 <@sdodson> bah that's not trolling, I firmly stand behind that opinion. 19:49 < dasunt> What opinion? 19:53 <@sdodson> 19:23 <@polerin> including the bit about me "enjoying feeling like a victim" 19:53 <@sdodson> dasunt: DATASSS! 19:59 < dasunt> DATASSSS? 19:59 < dasunt> WTF? 20:00 <@sdodson> dasunt: i dunno, that part wasn't supposed to make sense 20:00 * dasunt drinks. 20:05 < dasunt> I need to stop this. 20:06 < dasunt> Because, in theory, this will affect my health. 20:06 <@sdodson> What you drinking? 20:09 < dasunt> Gin, orange juice, and diet coke. 20:12 < [1NF0]> yeah, that OJ can do a number on your health 20:13 < dasunt> Of course. 20:13 < dasunt> The few fingers of gin is probably far worse though. 20:14 < dasunt> I dunno if I'd be better always sober though. 20:15 < dasunt> Still bored, but the alcohol takes the edge off of it. 20:16 <@Shadow404> sounds like you need to get laid then 20:18 < dasunt> Was laid this week. 20:18 < dasunt> That could be part of the problem. 20:27 <@sdodson> http://lnk.nu/health.usnews.com/x3w.html Raleigh #5 sober city. lies! 20:32 * dasunt looks. 20:33 < dasunt> One of my favorite quotes is "In Which the Hero Wants to Finish his Drink and Go Home" 20:33 < dasunt> From an obscure SF book. 20:33 < dasunt> It's the name of a chapter. The "hero" is a man, a vet from the whole Lebanon thing, who is sitting at a table at the local McDonalds, and knows that one of his friends is going to end up sleeping with another of his friends. 20:34 < dasunt> And although he doesn't approve, he can't stop it. 20:34 < dasunt> So he just wants to finish his drink (spiked, with his knowledge) at this point. 20:34 < dasunt> And go home. 20:36 < dasunt> Minneapolis is on neither list. 20:42 < dasunt> :( 20:42 < dasunt> Fuck, I'l ltry harder. 21:16 -!- CRasH180 [n=crash180@pdpc/supporter/bronze/CRasH180] has quit ["Leaving"] 21:53 <@sdodson> hooray purple haze 21:53 <@sdodson> only wheat beer I know that I like 21:54 <@polerin> sdodson: you've yet to adequitly explain why I would want to feel like a victim :P 21:54 <@polerin> so really it's like you're just regurgitating pop-psychology in an attempt to shove off opinions that you don't like :P 21:57 <@sdodson> polerin: I can't explain it. It's just an observation I'm making. 21:57 <@sdodson> Everytime you see the opportunity you're all "meh, you hold'n me down dawg, stop oppressing me" 22:00 <@polerin> sdodson: ... when have I said someone is holding me down? 22:00 <@polerin> to be honest most of what I call out here doesn't even affect me directly 22:01 <@polerin> test to be racism more than anything. Bit of sexism and a light basting with homophobic language but mostly in here it's racism 22:01 <@polerin> how is that holding *me* down? 22:04 <@polerin> s/test/tends 22:08 <@sdodson> Ok, maybe what I really meant was that you're quick to find prejudice in things I don't think are. 22:10 <@polerin> and you are quick to dismiss or defend things which I think prejudiced. 22:11 <@sdodson> Because I have common sense! 22:13 <@polerin> common sense, which is the application of one's experiences and background to come to a conclusion 22:14 < [1NF0]> I'M GOING TO HAVE A BOWEL MOVEMENT! 22:14 <@polerin> let us know what you name it 22:15 <@polerin> because what is common sense to me, is absurd to you and vice versa 22:29 <@Drag0n> vanna, i would like to buy a bowel please 22:58 <@polerin> http://it.slashdot.org/story/09/06/13/2125211/Sniffing-Browser-History-Without-Javascript 22:58 <@polerin> nice. 23:24 -!- ShadowHntr [n=sentinel@wikipedia/Shadowhntr] has quit [Success] --- Log closed Sun Jun 14 00:00:11 2009