--- Log opened Sat Jun 06 00:00:01 2009
00:12 < juice> htc pro 2 will be out soon enough
00:12 < juice> htc touch
00:12 <@sdodson> those are wimo though, right?
00:13 < juice> yeah
00:13 <@sdodson> meh
00:14 < juice> i was looking at the palm 800w last year
00:14 < juice> but never got it
00:14 <@sdodson> but then again it's not like i sync to my laptop anyway
00:14 < juice> I wanted it for the wifi
00:14 <@sdodson> i just sync to the zimbra server
00:14 < juice> I like sprint but they aren't forcing me to there 99/month plan
00:15 < juice> i won't pay anymore than I am now when I resign a contract
00:15 < juice> last time I worked all the stuff in my favor
00:15 < juice> I get 6pm for the same price as 7pm currently
00:16 <@sdodson> goodnight
00:16 < juice> night
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10:07 <@I-MOD> ok, i'm trying to automate some actions on a website (that requires a login) from a script.  the site is ssl.  the login process includes multiple redirects across 3+ different domains. is there a plugin for firefox that will track page loads with parameters across domains as long as it's still in the same tab?
10:07 <@I-MOD> really, I need to see each step of the process, but firebug isn't quite doing the job
10:08 < Falun> try tamper data
10:08 < Falun> another ff plugin
10:08 < Falun> i don't remember if it handles ssl or not but it's worth a shot
10:09 <@I-MOD> thanks
10:09 <@I-MOD> this site is really pissing me off, because i think they're actively trying to prevent people from automating this crap
10:10 < Falun> well... they probably are -- it's hard to collect ad revenue from bots
10:10 <@I-MOD> there are no ads on the pages
10:10 <@I-MOD> it's a time management web app
10:10 <@I-MOD> clock in/clock out
10:11 <@I-MOD> and the page is balls slow
10:11 <@I-MOD> so the script i've been using takes 1-2 seconds to complete, while using the actual page takes nearly 1min
10:11 < Falun> ew
10:11 <@I-MOD> yeah
10:13 <@I-MOD> hopefully tamperdata will do what i want
10:13 < Falun> so... real question is: why does the script go so much faster if the server if the bottleneck?
10:19 <@I-MOD> because it doesn't download all the useless javascript and the images
10:19 <@I-MOD> or run any of the js
10:19 <@I-MOD> and skips past half the redirects
10:19 <@Corydon76-dig> Does any of the js set cookies, though?
10:20 <@I-MOD> not in the past, and looking at it now, it still doesn't
10:20 <@I-MOD> they've tweaked something subtle
10:20 <@Corydon76-dig> Have you tried faking your useragent?
10:20 <@I-MOD> yep
10:21 <@Corydon76-dig> Are you setting the Referer at each stage?
10:21 <@I-MOD> yep
10:21 <@I-MOD> it's probably just an other viewstate variable tweak
10:22 < fall0ut> WWW::Mechanize
10:22 < fall0ut> http://search.cpan.org/dist/WWW-Mechanize/
10:25 <@I-MOD> i figured out what it was
10:25 <@I-MOD> previously, they had their massive state variables only in later stages of the login process, it's now in the whole thing
10:25 <@I-MOD> *sigh*
10:27 <@I-MOD> two new state variables
10:42 < juice> http://www.extraordinarymommy.com/blog/are-you-kidding-me/stolen-picture/
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21:05  * sdodson wishes all of Novell got opensource like Greg Kroah-Hartman
21:38 <@Dagmar> So long as they're in the front of the pack somewhere, I ain't complainin'
21:40 <@sdodson> They're #2 linux vendor.
21:40 <@sdodson> In terms of revenue.
21:42 <@Dagmar> That's good
21:43 <@sdodson> You don't think that qualifies as being in the front of the pack?
21:44 <@Dagmar> It's close enough for me
21:45 <@Dagmar> Over the years Novell have done *tons* to help interoperatbility of platforms
21:47 <@sdodson> Lots of it through licensing deals lately which are fooey.
21:52 <@sdodson> The on to fear now is Oracle.
21:53 <@Dagmar> I think Oracle's going to be busy just counting their chickens endlessly for awhilke
21:53 <@Dagmar> TOo many codebases in one house
21:54 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: some of the stuff that novell has done still isn't openly available yet.  sadly
21:54 <@Dagmar> Give 'em time
21:54 <@Dagmar> THey might or might not open any particular property they've got
21:55 <@Dagmar> ...but at least there's a good chance they'll open it if it's not looking to be expensive to do so
21:55 <@Evilpig> I am REALLY hoping they let the active directory server out freely
21:55 <@Evilpig> that one cost them alot to develop though
21:55 <@Dagmar> .OH *that* one
21:55 <@Dagmar> Probably depends on how pissed they thing Microsoft will be
21:56 <@Evilpig> they developed it in conjunction with M$
21:56 <@Dagmar> s/thing/think/;
21:56 <@Dagmar> Exactly.
21:56 <@Evilpig> hell they had to.  who else knows how that thing runs.  lol
21:56 <@sdodson> My dad was saying that there wer enews stories on the TV that Palm Pre was buggy and you should avoid it, anyone seen those?
21:56 <@Dagmar> Nope
21:56 <@Evilpig> aren't most new tech items buggy at first?
21:56 <@Dagmar> ...but I can't say I like the way I've been seeing descriptions of how it runs
21:57 <@sdodson> Why would an active directory server cost them a lot to develop?
21:57 <@Dagmar> "software as a service" doesn't seem like the thing that would be happy on a lossy cell network
21:57 <@sdodson> OpenLDAP + schema
21:57 <@sdodson> DONE
21:57 <@Dagmar> It takes developer time to reverse engineer all the squirrely shit AD does
21:57 <@sdodson> I wanted to go to the sprint store today to scope it out.
21:57 <@Evilpig> http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10258774-1.html
21:57 <@sdodson> surely AD is well documented.
21:58 <@sdodson> There's too much shit that integrates with AD for it to be overly cryptic.
21:58 <@Dagmar> WOW
21:58 <@sdodson> http://freeipa.org/page/Main_Page
21:59 <@Evilpig> sdodson: accessing info in AD is easy.  the server that ties it all together may not be as easy
21:59 <@Dagmar> Only $170?
21:59 <@Evilpig> alright I gotta get a shower now for work.  I want to try and do a few dailies on wow before I leave
22:00 <@sdodson> i do your mom daily
22:16 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: I found that part last night.  it's $50 but I still don't know how to replace it.  I did, however, find a torrent for the factory repair manuals for that range of models
22:17 <@Dagmar> Sweet
22:17 <@Dagmar> Repair manuals rock
22:17 <@sdodson> ya
22:17 <@Evilpig> hoping it will be done later tonight.  3gb dvd
22:17 <@sdodson> if i buy something it should come with a repair manual
22:21 <@Evilpig> http://www.racepages.com/products/?N=1616+10336+4294963878+2644+776+4294963721  <-- this should be the part
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