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07:33 <@polerin> morning all
07:34 <@sdodson> unce unce
07:36 <@polerin> clap clap tssclaptss clap
07:37 <@sdodson> WHAT?!
07:37 <@TheLightcosine> who has the clap now?
07:38 <@polerin> cheney
07:39 <@polerin> got it back when he was dodging the draft
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09:05 <@nachoguy> mr0nin
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09:28 <@sdodson> nachoguy: hi guy
09:48 <@nachoguy> ahoy, how goes it in the land of Red Hat?
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10:04 <@rhia> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,525069,00.html
10:09 <@brimstone> hay, what's that federal law that allows one to unlock their phone from carrier restrictions?
10:10 <@tzanger> there's a law?
10:10 <@tzanger> in Canada there isn't one, and Rogers takes full advantage of that
10:10 <@tzanger> "at the end of your contract? too bad, we won't give you MSL key)
10:11 <@I-MOD> that's pretty lame
10:12 <@I-MOD> if it's gsm, you can usually pull the "i need to go out of the country and I plan to use a prepaid sim there" card
10:12 <@I-MOD> at least, that's what US carriers will do
10:12 <@I-MOD> rogers might bend if you give a psuedo legit reason
10:17 <@brimstone> best i can find is: http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1170410587623
10:17 <@brimstone> looks like it's part of the DMCA
10:35 <@tzanger> I-MOD: nope
10:35 <@tzanger> they don't give a shit
10:36 <@tzanger> fuck 'em, I unlock and I tell them as I'm waking out of the store that I am unlocking it within a day
10:36 <@tzanger> (not that they care, they have my money, and a signed contract)
10:36 <@tzanger> but I'll be fucked if I'll give them one penny in roaming charges
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11:22 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
11:23 <@Dementia> hi dol
11:23 <@Dolemite> what's up?
11:25 <@Dementia> will be in n'ville this weekend for hypericon
11:25 <@Dolemite> cool, did you work out a horse trade with the hotel?
11:25 <@Dementia> I forgot to call. I might try to call today
11:27 <@Dolemite> yeah, do that...  they are looking to do whatever they can that doesn't cost actual money to them
11:27 <@Dolemite> and giving somebody free room nights is an easy trade
11:28 <@Dolemite> anywho, lunch times!
11:28 <@Dementia> have fun
11:36  * TheLightcosine is about to be the only person on the service desk with his own dedicated Dev box lol
11:39 <@TheLightcosine> classing me still as a support coordinator is a joke at this point
11:40 <@TheLightcosine> I do shit for this comapny that is above and ebyond the capabiltiy and udnerstanding of msot of our sysadmins
11:40 <@TheLightcosine> I need to go back to college and get a degree so i can stop being stuck in these kinds of jobs
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11:44 <@Corydon76-dig> TheLightcosine: I don't have a degree...
11:45 <@TheLightcosine> yeah well cor, i suspect the differential in skill/knowledge between you and me is greater than or equal to the differential between me and the shcmucks around here =P
11:47  * TheLightcosine is writing a management tool for AD in .NET atm
11:48 <@TheLightcosine> compare that to working on Asterisk and it dun quite match up =P
11:48  * TheLightcosine doesn't even know C
11:51 <@TheLightcosine> any job posting that i see lately that interests me require either a college degree or 5+ years working in the field
11:51 <@TheLightcosine> or else i'm way udnerqualified in actual skills for heh
11:52 <@TheLightcosine> well quittin time
12:16 < coil> just got my eeepc
12:37 <@m0j0-j0j0> coil: what model?
12:37 < coil> 1000he
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12:37 <@m0j0-j0j0> TheLightcosine: what are you looking for?
12:38 <@m0j0-j0j0> TheLightcosine: Perl/PHP/Ruby/Apache/Linux/MySQL position open here
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13:04 < fall0ut> lots of coder positions open
13:04 < fall0ut> how well does it pay to be a coder?
13:06 <@rhia> almost as open a question as 'how much does it pay to work with electronics'
13:06 < fall0ut> true
13:08 < fall0ut> so how much does that position pay m0j0-j0j0? :P
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13:25 <@m0j0-j0j0> fall0ut: dunno... not in my dept
13:25 <+sariel> coil: what os you putting on it?
13:25 <@m0j0-j0j0> fall0ut: I'd guess not as much as you would expect
13:26 <+sariel> there's a web app pen tester spot open at secureworks in atlanta
13:26 <+sariel> i think its as a contractor though
13:26 <@m0j0-j0j0> maybe 40-60 depending on exp
13:26 <@m0j0-j0j0> maybe more like 50-70
13:28 <@m0j0-j0j0> maybe not.. I told someone that I figured out support guys made around 35 and I was apparently way off the mark
13:28 <+sariel> depends on what kind of support i think
13:29 <+sariel> my company paid 42-52 depending on exp
13:29 <@m0j0-j0j0> sariel: this is call center stuff
13:29 <+sariel> m0j0-j0j0: ya
13:29 <+sariel> was for security product support
13:29 <+sariel> not dialup stuff
13:30 <@sdodson> they all bling bling
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13:31 <@m0j0-j0j0> sariel: our guys are for end users that can't figure out how to fill out forms online
13:31 <+sariel> o
13:31 <+sariel> 35 isnt bad for that
13:31 <@m0j0-j0j0> and for people who forget their passwords
13:31 <@m0j0-j0j0> sariel: yeah, I'm guessing that they must be closer to 20~25 because they thought I was crazy for saying 35
13:32 <@sdodson> m0j0-j0j0: i dunno, it seems morons make $65k in this town
13:32 <@m0j0-j0j0> <-- cheap company
13:34 <@m0j0-j0j0> I'm sure I could find a better position that paid more somewhere else, but my headhunter isn't very good at finding anything but coding jobs for me... and I don't really want to code any more.
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13:49 <+sariel> DF
13:49 <+sariel> DOH
13:50 <@sdodson> not enough
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16:41 < Shadow404> woot, ingredients for my summer ale and bavarian hefe just arrived at the house
16:42 < Shadow404> gonna be brewing some beer tonight
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17:08 <@ShadowHntr> cool
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19:24 < Shadow404> great i get home to realize i left the bottling bucket in the screened in porch and its so molded on the bottom that the plastic had been dissolved and warped
19:25 < Shadow404> gonna have t replace that, the auto siphn and tubing before i can brew any beer
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19:35 < astralsin> Shadow404: damn, that sucks
19:36 < astralsin> i gotta get another bottling wand and tubing
19:36 < astralsin> and an airlock
19:36 < astralsin> but i wont be brewing for a while, got a batch bottle conditioning right now
19:37 < Shadow404> yeah, its my fault completely, but damn, i bought everything i need for a recipe and now i cant brew
19:37 < astralsin> yeah, that does suck
19:37 < astralsin> what are you gonna brew?
19:38 < astralsin> hey, have you seen http://beercalculus.hopville.com/recipe ?
19:38 < astralsin> its a terrific recipe calculator
19:38 < Shadow404> a summer ale to start with
19:38 < Shadow404> and i got the stuff to make a bavarian hefe as well
19:39 < astralsin> i dont know wtf i've got... completely original recipe
19:39 < astralsin> i'm thinking it'll qualify as a golden ale
19:40 < astralsin> are you doing extract or all grain?
19:40 < Shadow404> extract on the hefe, grain on the ale
19:41 < Shadow404> i also was able to order dried lemon and orange peel for cheap
19:41 < astralsin> my latest batch is my first all grain attempt, i like the method and i think the beer will turn out good
19:41 < Shadow404> its definantly noticeable
19:41 < astralsin> oh, there's an awesome new brew supply store just north of nashville, rebelbrewer.com
19:41 < astralsin> good prices, the best selection on the net
19:41 < astralsin> and very informative
19:41 < Shadow404> oh man, another reason i hate georgia
19:42 < Shadow404> almos.....almost no homebrew shops
19:42 < astralsin> oh, they're few and far between in TN
19:42 < Shadow404> more than georgia my friend
19:42 < astralsin> i know of 3... well 2 and a novelty store that sells some homebrew stuff
19:42 < Shadow404> only one just outside 285 and the second closest is a 40 min drive from atl
19:43 < astralsin> 2 of the 3 i know are 1.5+ hrs from me :)
19:43 < Shadow404> oh i did try out a technique i learned at the heineken museum in amsterdam
19:43 < astralsin> what is it?
19:43 < Shadow404> tonight
19:43 < Shadow404> ok, so when you pour a heniekn, you know how it likes to foam up and keep overflowing the head
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19:43 < astralsin> yeah
19:44 < Shadow404> take a blade (or actual purpose built) device my wifee bought, dip it in water and slice the head off even with the neck of the glass
19:44 < Shadow404> it will lock the co2 and and control the head
19:44 < Shadow404> works awesome on  the draft tap they sell
19:44 < astralsin> huh, cool
19:44 < Shadow404> and thats exteemely foamy
19:44 < Shadow404> yeah, they teach it at the museum to the guest
19:44 < astralsin> i've seen people do that before, i just thought it was a presentation thing
19:45 < Shadow404> if you go to tams, u have to se it
19:45 < Shadow404> *to ams
19:48 < Shadow404> im looking at that store and pricing them
19:48 < Shadow404> the one you recommended
19:51 < astralsin> the guy that owns the place is a certified beer taster of some sort
19:51 < astralsin> he told me he was going to start giving homebrew classes in his shop
19:52 < astralsin> he showed me the warehouse and i was impressed, PACKED with buckets full of grain, bags of hops, kegs, a bag of something unidentifiable, all sorts of awesome stuff
19:54 < astralsin> he said some guy from antioch made an oyster lager and he said it was pretty good
20:04 < Shadow404> well woot
20:04 < Shadow404> this one store, unfortunately not rebel, accepted paypal
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20:04 < Shadow404> and i had about half the order cost
20:04 < Shadow404> so i used that
20:05 < Shadow404> any ee majors in here tonight?
20:08 <@freakn> I once did ee, but that was long long ago
20:12 <@sasquatc4> i was half ee if that counts, dunno how much i could help
20:13 < Shadow404> looking to build a circuit that will short the w and s keys when a static fitness bicycle is peddled in forwards or reverse
20:14 < Shadow404> thinking voltage from an electic motor could provide the sensor based on the level of voltage and polarity to detect direciton
20:14 < Shadow404> just dont know how to do the circuit part on this one
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20:45 <@tzanger> Shadow404: you have a normal keyboard you want to activate w or s key on depending on direction of spin?
20:50 <@sasquatc4> been a while, but id have to think about, somethin with a diode and transistor, sounds like a reverse hbridge, not sure if that exists though
20:52 <@sasquatc4> hbridges are just so you can run a dc motor backwards or forwards depending on the input, so it sounds like you want the reverse of that
20:52 <@rhia> Shadow404: .... what's the practical use?  that may help
20:52 <@tzanger> a quadrature encoder (think of a mouse) will take care of that nicely
20:53 <@tzanger> two outputs... call one clock and the other data
20:53 <@tzanger> er direction
20:53 <@tzanger> when wheel spins one way, direction will always be low
20:53 <@tzanger> and when it spins the other, direction will always be high
20:53 <@tzanger> use that to select w or s key, and use clock to "hammer" the key
20:58 <@sasquatc4> do you know what kind of motor you have? if its a dc motor you may just be able to sense the direction on the lines somewhere
21:07 <@tzanger> you could also use a little DC motor on the shaft of the main motor
21:07 <@tzanger> +ve electricity generated = one direction -ve = other
21:08 <@tzanger> use a pair of zeners in inverse-series to limit the output voltage
21:09 <@Dagmar> Wow
21:09 <@Dagmar> Buy 1 arduino and three reed sensors.
21:10 <@Dagmar> It can pretend to be a USB keyboard with a little work.
21:10 <@Dagmar> Far, far less trouble just to stagger the three sensors around the side of the bike
21:31 <@tzanger> why bother
21:31 <@tzanger> put a mouse on the wheel and be done with it
21:31 <@tzanger> your program is a fullscreen one, if mouse is at top (or right) border, it's one direction, if it's at the bottom (or left), it's the other
21:32 <@tzanger> I'm usually all about building hardware but it sounds like he really doesn't want to build shit
21:51 <@Dagmar> Doh
21:51 <@Dagmar> You win
21:51 <@Dagmar> Yeah a laser mouse
21:51 <@Dagmar> Far fucking easier
21:52 <@Dagmar> ...but it sounds like he was planning on strapping this onto some other machine, hence the 'w' and 's' key req
21:58 <@tzanger> Dagmar: sure, but a ps/2 or usb mouse... pretty easy to watch :-)
21:58 <@tzanger> even with an ardruino
21:58 <@tzanger> except for usb I suppose
21:59 <@Dagmar> The point in using the arduino would be that it could pretend to be a USB device
21:59 <@Dagmar> [...specifically, a USB keybaord.
22:02 <@tzanger> right I understand
22:16 <@sdodson> I pretend to be a USB keyboard.  When I want into the cool parties.
22:54 <@Dagmar> hehe
22:54 <@Dagmar> You can shove a couple of blue LEDs in yer mouf and shout "I'M MADE BY SAITEK!" and wear whatever crappy clothes you can dig out of a dumpster
22:57 <@sdodson> I've been doing that for years.
22:57 <@sdodson> That's how i get the ladies.
23:02 <@tzanger> Dagmar: HAHAHAHAHA
23:06 <@Dagmar> Yeah, having used a Saitek keyboard now, I know all the ricers who "swear" by them have very low standards.
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23:10 <+Tefad> MODEL M. END OF STORY.
23:11 <@Dagmar> Why don't you cheer for the slide rule while you're at it
23:11 <+Tefad> because it isn't electronic
23:11  * Tefad owns about 6 model Ms
23:12 <+Tefad> broke my good one.. black Model M13 (has trackpoint)
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