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02:57  * Catonic has a bad, bad feeling
02:57 <@Catonic> the headache settled in before the drinking ended.
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03:17 < sync350> howdy
03:18 <@Catonic> hey
03:18 < sync350> What's up?
03:18 <@Catonic> my bac
03:19 < sync350> back?  or blood alcohol content? :)
03:19 <@Catonic> yeah... what do you think?
03:20 < sync350> Well, saying your back is up wouldn't make much sense now would it?
03:21 <@Catonic> not unless up was some variation on "out"
03:21 <@Catonic> then it would make sense
03:21 <@Catonic> damn, I have a craving for fried chiceken.
03:21 <@Catonic> *chicken
03:23 < sync350> mm
03:23 < sync350> that sounds so damn good right now
03:26 <@Catonic> there's not a fried chicken joint within 12 miles of here.
03:26 <@Catonic> ... fortunately
03:27 < sync350> I'd be sad :p
03:27 < sync350> So what part of the south east are you from?
03:27 <@Catonic> 256
03:27 <@Catonic> then moved to 205
03:27 < sync350> which state is that?
03:28 <@Catonic> ~google
03:28 < sync350> Ah
03:29 <@Catonic> I'd say I was the only one from 205, but n00gums used to frequent here until he left for collage
03:30 <@Catonic> the other guy I "met" from here stalked a friend of mine. he == shit
03:30 < sync350> Ah, that sucks
03:30 < sync350> I start college this fall :)
03:31 <@Catonic> he wasn't in this scene, but he self identified as a "hacker"
03:31 <@Catonic> all he did was SQL injection sploits.
03:31 < sync350> Ah, gotcha
03:33 <@TheLightcosine> hah
03:33 <@TheLightcosine> "I R 1337 hax0r!" =p
03:33 < sync350> =p
03:34 <@TheLightcosine> "stfu n00b, I h4x t3h intarwbs!"
03:35 <@TheLightcosine> I love those people
03:54 <@Catonic> yeah, well...
03:55 <@Catonic> when I got word, it was too late to preserve evidence and make a state case out of it
04:24 <@Catonic> sleep is a naughty mistress
04:24 <@Catonic> When I was 14, I hoped that one day I would have a girlfriend.
04:24 <@Catonic> When I was 16 I got a girlfriend, but there was no passion, so I decided
04:24 <@Catonic> I needed a passionate girl with a zest for life.
04:24 <@Catonic> In college I dated a passionate girl, but she was too emotional.
04:24 <@Catonic> Everything was an emergency; she was a drama queen, cried all the time and
04:24 <@Catonic> threatened suicide. So I decided I needed a girl with stability.
04:24 <@Catonic> When I was 25 I found a very stable girl but she was boring. She was
04:24 <@Catonic> totally predictable and never got excited about anything. Life became so
04:24 <@Catonic> dull that I decided that I needed a girl with some excitement.
04:24 <@Catonic> When I was 28 I found an exciting girl, but I couldn't keep up with her.
04:24 <@Catonic> She rushed from one thing to another, never settling on anything. She did
04:24 <@Catonic> mad impetuous things and made me miserable as often as happy. She was great
04:24 <@Catonic> fun initially and very energetic, but directionless. So I decided to find
04:24 <@Catonic> a girl with some real ambition.
04:24 <@Catonic> When I turned 31, I found a smart ambitious girl with her feet planted
04:24 <@Catonic> firmly on the ground and married her. She was so ambitious that she
04:24 <@Catonic> divorced me and took everything I owned.
04:24 <@Catonic> I am older and wiser now, and am just looking for a girl with big titsoopsy
04:24 <@Catonic> my apologies, I had a loaded cut buffer
04:29 <@jb7od> jeah
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08:06 <@Shadow404> thats what she said
08:06 <@Shadow404> Word to your motherboard!
08:09 <@rhia> all the personal slogans in here - almost like people are actually LISTENING to the self-help marketdroids about 'creating a personal brand'
08:14 <@Shadow404> meh, i stole it from a tech based/the soup parody
08:14 <@Shadow404> called "The circuit"
08:14 <@Shadow404> its part of the opening credits
08:15 <@rhia> but by using it daily, you're claiming it as a slogan, not a one-off joke from a joke
08:15 <@Shadow404> hey now, at least i dont come in here slinging names like "Hoes, bitches" and that other thing dole says
08:16 <@rhia> still a slogan
08:16 <@Shadow404> yeah, not arguing that, but a cleaner one
08:17 <@Shadow404> and tech related
08:17 <@Shadow404> ok, im qualifying it now, but i like it
08:17 <@Shadow404> http://www.hulu.com/watch/24470/mojos-the-circuit-pilot
08:17 <@Shadow404> thats what i got the slogan from
08:18 <@rhia> more like, but why need a slogan at all?  eh....
08:19 <@Shadow404> its a "thing"
08:19 <@Shadow404> its fun and its predictable
08:19  * Shadow404 has lots of things
08:20 <@Shadow404> like i cant have cell phones, pens, pencils and other items pointing directly at me
08:20 <@Shadow404> dont ask me why, must be a mild tick
08:20 <@Shadow404> scotchick enjoys taunting me with that
08:25  * rhia points the above comments at Shadow404 
08:29  * I-MOD will be forever pointing at Shadow404 
08:31 <@Shadow404> has to be actually physical to even bother me
08:34 <@I-MOD> i can guarantee that I am physically point at you right now
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09:04  * polerin has a personal brand without a slogan
09:04 <@polerin> hehe
09:18 <@m0j0-j0j0> polerin: I thought your solgan was :p
09:18 <@polerin> nah
09:18 <@polerin> if anything my slogan is "...really?"
09:18 <@m0j0-j0j0> polerin: when does the reality tv contract come in?
09:19 <@polerin> what the hell would I do for reality tv
09:19 <@polerin> lol
09:20 <@m0j0-j0j0> a friend of mine sent me the last little bit of the Jodie Marsh reality shop (she's a UK star) and it was MTV calling here and telling her that she had to re-pay them for all fees related to her wedding because she had previously lined up who she was going to get married to
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09:21 <@TheLightcosine> hunh?
09:22 <@m0j0-j0j0> "Polerin: The Hunt For Merc's New Argument Finisher"
09:24 <@polerin> yeahhh see, that's why I wouldn't be doing a reality show.  I'm already married
09:24 <@polerin> and you think they'd give me a "survival" show?  :P
09:25 <@rhia> http://www.twolumps.net/
09:26 <@polerin> hehe
09:26 <@m0j0-j0j0> sfw?
09:26 <@polerin> yes
09:28 <@m0j0-j0j0> polerin: it starts off with your favorite: a declaration of something being the same followed by a list of the differences
09:28 <@rhia> monty python just never gets old
09:29 <@polerin> m0j0-j0j0: i'm not sure I follow
09:29 <@polerin> rhia: heh yeah.
09:29  * polerin wants to fuckin stab jQuery in the face at this point
09:30 <@polerin> it's not jquery's fault, but it's being used completly weird here, and I'm not that familiar with it
09:31 <@m0j0-j0j0> polerin: wasn't it you that has the uber issue with people misusing compairative (ex: it's very identical)
09:31 <@polerin> oh
09:31 <@polerin> lol
09:31 <@polerin> mostly it's unique
09:31 <@polerin> I hate it when people say "that's so unique"
09:32 <@polerin> etc
09:32 <@m0j0-j0j0> ahh very unique
09:33 <@polerin> :P
09:33 <@polerin> thanks.  preciate that.
09:33 <@rhia> but, polerin, you'r very unique - just like everyone else <g>
09:33 <@m0j0-j0j0> so very unique
09:34 <@m0j0-j0j0> collective uniqueness
09:37  * polerin needs coffee before this shit starts
09:37 <@polerin> I don't mind misuse of comparitive, it's the misuse of the absolute comparitives that bugs me
09:39 <@Corydon76-dig> almost perfect?
09:40 <@sdodson> polerin: what's wrong with jQuery?
09:40 <@polerin> sdodson: nothing, in fact I'm a fan
09:41 <@polerin> it's misuse by developers who have also slaughtered cakephp and subsequently left their crap for me to fix however... not so much.
09:41 <@sdodson> i used cackephp once
09:42 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
09:42 <@polerin> uh huh.  and you probably didn't have a clue at how to do it, ended up with stuff from the view in the controller, models with sql in them, and bloated controllers :P
09:43 <@sdodson> polerin: no i gave up
09:43 <@sdodson> found someone i could task with writing a weba pp and they did it in perl
09:43 <@polerin> heh
09:43 <@sdodson> I cried inside but moved on quickly.
09:44 <@polerin> the major problem that people have with cake is that they think it's a library
09:44 <@polerin> it's not
09:44 <@Dolemite> mMMMMmm...  cake.  I prefer German Chocolate.
09:46 <@sdodson> polerin: what is it?
09:46 <@sdodson> wait, what's the difference?
09:46 <@polerin> heck no.  pinapple upsidedown or carrot
09:47 <@polerin> sdodson: betwee cake and a library?
09:47 <@polerin> between rather
09:47 <@Dementia> I was up til 2 working on cake.
09:47 <@sdodson> yes
09:47 <@sdodson> Dementia: make me a sammich while you're at it
09:47 <@polerin> sdodson: cake is a development framework
09:48 <@polerin> Dementia: make sure you use the "special" mustard
09:48 <@sdodson> polerin: right, and what's the difference between that and a library?
09:48 <@Dementia> heh.
09:48 <@polerin> a library can be applied any which way
09:48 <@polerin> a framework expects you to fill in parts and use the existing structure
09:48 <@sdodson> mmmmmmmmmmkay
09:49 <@polerin> ie, don't render content from the view
09:49 <@polerin> er
09:49 <@polerin> ie, don't render content from the model
09:49 <@polerin> don't try to save things in the view
09:49 <@sdodson> Model View Controller are design patterns not frameworks
09:50 <@polerin> I know that.  Cake is a framework partially implementing that design pattern
09:50 <@sdodson> So it's a library partially implementing that design pattern?
09:51 <@polerin> no, it's not a library
09:51 <@polerin> people exect to tell cake to do things
09:52 <@polerin> it's not like that.  Cake has a pretty explicit patern of operation, and you just put things where they need to go, and they'll happen
09:52 <@polerin> everyone tries to bend cake around their prior ideas of how an application should flow
09:52 <@polerin> which CAN be done, but ends up in hackery and nastiness
09:53 <@Dementia> I never could get cakephp installed. Ended up using codeigniter. Pretty decent little framework.
09:53 <@sdodson> polerin: I can see that.
09:54 <@sdodson> I found a use for KDE4.
09:54 <@polerin> Dementia: shoulda asked me ;P
09:55 <@Dementia> This was a while ago
09:55 <@Dementia> Like a year I think
09:55  * polerin shrugs
09:55 <@polerin> I've been working in cake for about 3 years now
09:55 <@polerin> anyway
09:56 <@Dementia> Brain like sieve. I probably forgot.
09:57 <@polerin> cake is one of the few things I get sorta evangelical about ;P
10:00 <@sdodson> that and hating ware
10:01 <@rhia> hating ware's attacking and abusive attitude
10:02 <@polerin> nah, that comes nowhere to the level of evangelical
10:02 <@polerin> I don't really preach about it.  ;P
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10:06 <@nachoguy> mr0nin
10:07 <@polerin> mornin nacho
10:08 <@sdodson> nachoguy: how was your vacation?
10:16 <@nachoguy> it was different.  a bit more rustic than I was expecting
10:16 <@nachoguy> had a pretty good time, but I did get sick
10:16 <@sdodson> where'd you go?
10:16 <@nachoguy> wife did too
10:16 <@nachoguy> St John'
10:16 <@polerin> Paddle faster! I hear banjos!
10:16 <@sdodson> Is that the dude with the Wart?
10:16 <@nachoguy> indeed
10:16 <@nachoguy> this morning sucks
10:17  * polerin makes nacho a cup of hot tea
10:17 <@nachoguy> I found out someone has my credit card number
10:17 <@polerin> nice.
10:18 <@nachoguy> after a couple rounds of phone tag, the credit card company canceled the card and will be sending me a new one.  In the mean time, I need to see if I can call every place that auto pays off of there (phone, inet, whatever) and get them to hold off on chraging me, becuase that's obviously not going to work
10:18 <@nachoguy> I apparently can't get a grace period from the credit card company
10:27 <@polerin> that sucks.
10:35 <@Dementia> pain in the ass
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10:56 <@Dolemite> nachoguy : Did you end up with Evilpig Flu?
10:56 <@nachoguy> hrm, I did get sick after eating a po'k sammich
10:57 <@nachoguy> but, probably not
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12:02 <@Shadow404> listening to 80's electornica and its making me more anxious about duke nukem forever if it ever gets released
12:03 <@tzanger> lawl
12:04 <@tzanger> nachoguy: sorry, I needed to make a few purchases and iddn't have cash of my own
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12:40 <@nachoguy> http://imgur.com/yJtwi.jpg  qasi nsfw
12:40 <@nachoguy> eer quasi
12:41 <@nachoguy> though I think that it's the 615 signifies that it's a nashvillian.
12:41 <@polerin> I actually never saw the attraction to duke nukem
12:42 <@polerin> and ew.
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12:45 <@nachoguy> actually, I thought the posting above the highlighted one was better
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12:48 < remoford2> polerin: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2007/12/21/
12:48 < remoford2> that comic explains it
12:51 <@aestetix> So.
12:52 <@aestetix> I'm seeing a bunch of news stories about newspapers "conspiring" to come up with a good way to do paywalls.
12:52 <@aestetix> And a bunch of comments saying "news should be free!"
12:52 <@aestetix> The commenters don't seem to understand that the newspapers have to make money or they'll go out of business.
12:54 <@Corydon76-dig> News IS free.  The issue is that newspapers got left behind on speed with the advent of radio and TV.
12:54 <@Corydon76-dig> What's not free is good analysis, and newspapers in general aren't as good as some of the bloggers out there
12:54 <@aestetix> That's what I was getting at.
12:55 <@aestetix> If you don't have funds to pay for quality journalism, you're left with lolcat jokes and stupid political banter.
12:55 <@Corydon76-dig> So newspapers aren't better on speed or analysis; why are they still in business?
12:55 <+fall0ut> I have yet to find any really good bloggers
12:55 <+fall0ut> for anything I care about
12:55 <@aestetix> Corydon76-dig: I disagree. Most of the good bloggers I know of are also newspaper journalists.
12:56 <@aestetix> Or in some cases, very highly specialized technical people.
12:56 <@Corydon76-dig> fall0ut: all bloggers really are are editors without a payroll
12:56 <@Corydon76-dig> and some bloggers have enough traffic and advertising for the advertising to pay their payroll
12:56 <@aestetix> Corydon76-dig: right. Blogs could be said to be a new form of journalism. Except there's no blogging standards, and rules of blogging are far looser.
12:56 <@Corydon76-dig> which is exactly how newspapers used to work
12:57 <@Corydon76-dig> aestetix: You didn't pay attention in 2003.  Newspapers don't have standards, either
12:57 <@aestetix> heh.
12:57 <@aestetix> Referring to the Jayson Blair stuff?
12:57 <@Corydon76-dig> No, parroting the administration in the runup to the Gulf War
12:57 <@aestetix> Oh right.
12:58 <@aestetix> That's less about standards, and more about who controls things.
12:58 <@Corydon76-dig> Newspapers failed us, and 5 years later, they're complaining about how they've lost readership.  Duh?
12:58 <@aestetix> They had standards. Very high standards. It's just that their standards were to serve the Bush administration.
12:58 <@aestetix> Ok, that's fair.
12:59 < remoford2> well, there is also an argument that expensive dead tree newspaper subscriptions are a luxury item
12:59 < remoford2> luxuries are not doing great nowadays
13:00 <@aestetix> I also enjoy getting a newspaper or magazine in the mail. I find reading off a computer extremely tedious.
13:01 < remoford2> a lot of people do, but plenty dont and more are being exposed to the alternative every day
13:01 <@rhia> sad that a lot of really in-depth investigative reporting is now being considerd a 'luxury' as well
13:01 <@Corydon76-dig> Yeah, the magazines I get are what I read while I'm taking a shit
13:01 < remoford2> and discrectionary spending keeps getting tighter
13:01 <@Corydon76-dig> because I don't have a console in the bathroom
13:01 <@aestetix> Corydon76-dig: I specifically subscribe to the New Yorker because it's impossible to read one of their articles online.
13:02 <@aestetix> It's far too indepth, and there are too many little programs and emails badgering me for attention.
13:02 < remoford2> rhia: depends on the readers faith in that in depth reporting tho
13:02 <@rhia> sorry, but the vast majorities of even the good blogs tend to be regurgitative and the investigation level tends to stay at what they can discover while still keeping their chair warm
13:02 <@Corydon76-dig> aestetix: you need a computer that YOU control, then
13:02 < remoford2> ppl have lost faith in journalistic integrity
13:02 <@Corydon76-dig> When the computer controls you, there's a problem
13:04 <@rhia> remoford: the people have confused opinion with journalism and the media has confused ratings with reality
13:04 <@aestetix> rhia: well, don't they tend to go for instant gratification and funny fart jokes, rather than something that requires effort?
13:05 <@rhia> that combo is, well, why FOX does so well - personality over integrity, soundbytes over complexity, sensationalism of relevancy
13:05 <@rhia> s/of/over
13:05 <@aestetix> Reminds me of the Vonnegut story "Harrison Bergeron"
13:06 <@aestetix> Where all citizens are required to wear a headset that blasts noise in their ear every minute or so, to prevent deep thoughts.
13:10 <@aestetix> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/05/29/DDFB17S4MV.DTL
13:10 <@aestetix> Great example.
13:10 <@aestetix> This crap made the Chronicle.
13:10 <@aestetix> It's very literally someone's armchair discussion that they allowed into print.
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13:15 <@I-MOD> aestetix, yeah, that's just him talking out his ass
13:15 <@rhia> newspapers have traditionally been the patrons of long term investigative reporting, allowing journalists to 'go native' as deep or as long as necessary to get the big picture for the whole story - enough meat and FACTS to print
13:16 <@Corydon76-dig> And yet, local television news teams are doing that now
13:16 <@I-MOD> "or something" and "OTOH" give it away if you're just skimming
13:16 <@rhia> CNN did similar with Amanpour
13:17 <@rhia> Corydon76-dig: some do, some don't - a lot of local reporting is showing up at the wally world to get a clip of the idiot shoplifter
13:17 <@Corydon76-dig> rhia: that's filler material between the investigative pieces
13:18 <@rhia> Corydon76-dig: just sad how much filler is needed - and even sadder how hard it is to tell the investigative reporting from the filler at most stations
13:18 <@Corydon76-dig> rhia: dunno, we have at least 1 really good team at investigative reporting in Nashville
13:19 <@rhia> still, agree, local tv is the most likely to take up the slack, but they tend to work on the viewer mindset, not the slower reader mindset
13:19 <@Corydon76-dig> I can't really speculate about other cities, but given that we aren't a major media market, it's likely there's similar in other cities
13:20 <@Corydon76-dig> otherwise, those guys would have moved up already
13:20 <@rhia> eh, would have to say that the local stations are better than the Dallas newspaper - i thought the AJC was bad, gahhhhh
13:21 <@rhia> dallasnews is a small town paper, in a huge metro city - it's really baaadddddd
13:23 <@rhia> http://www.dallasnews.com/   <---speaks for itself
13:24 <@rhia> under "Nation" the first 2 links are about BUSH, one of which is he misses WH food
13:26 <@I-MOD> rhia, texas is stuck with him again, so they feel obliged to whine about it :D
13:27 <@rhia> still, that' the front page of midsize town
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13:28 <@rhia> not one of the 10 largest cities in the country
13:33 <@rhia> ft worth does some investigative reporting, dallas news is actually more likely to just parrot whatever the star-telegram or a local tv found than to even bother checking it themselves, let alone uncover it by themselves
13:51 < coil> I'm pressing F5
14:07 <@rhia> coil:  and.....?  we're waiting
14:12 <@I-MOD> coil, HARDER
14:12 < coil> I'm pressing F6
14:12 < coil> I'm pressing F5
14:12 < coil> I'm pressing F4
14:12 < coil> I'm pressing F7
14:12 < coil> I'm pressing F3
14:15 <@I-MOD> try the alt modifier!
14:19 <@Drag0n`> its alt +q
14:22 <@Shadow404> alt-z
14:23 <@Drag0n`> ctrl + q ftw
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14:47 <@rhia> on the subject of newspapers .....
14:47 <@rhia> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/29/paper-apologizes-for-publ_n_209099.html
15:07 < coil> my link is better http://videolicious.tv/2009/05/you-cant-fight-city-hallbut-you-can-drive-through-it/
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17:00 < uSynx> sup my peeps
17:05 <@aestetix> Anyone who can do windows programming and needs a small side job?
17:07 <@brimstone> can you not download old iso from rhn?
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17:14 <@brimstone> hi brookshire!
17:17 <@brookshire> hey!
17:28 <@aestetix> man
17:28 <@aestetix> it is hard to study a dance clip of a black guy dancing in a dark room
17:41 <@Catonic> unce unce unce unce
17:41 <@Catonic> hey brim
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18:48 <@rhia> aestetix: what do you mean by "windows programming"? need a hired gun with Redmond sekret access to their way of writing the OS and apps or just a hacker who knows Windows?
18:54 <@aestetix> rhia: just someone with a passable ability to program in windows
18:54 <@aestetix> I think we need someone who can make a new window open and have tabs in it or something
18:59 <+AstralSin> aestetix: i'm your man!
19:00 <+AstralSin> i even own a legit copy of vs2008
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19:17 <@aestetix> AstralSin: ok.
19:17 <@aestetix> AstralSin: email me aestetix@gmail.com and we can talk.
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19:27 < coil> ||      _           Sorry, you have failed.                     ||
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19:27 < coil> ||      /   \        /            \        /             \      ||
19:27 < coil> ||     |     |       |   Abort    |        |   Retry     |      ||
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19:27 < coil>                                                 |/\ \
19:27 < coil>                                                    \_\
19:28 <@tzanger> lame
19:28 <@tzanger> but 10/10 for effort
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19:31 <@devemo> Is anyone here going to SummerCon?
19:31 < coil> FU @ (tz)
19:32 <@tzanger> heh
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19:43 < rattleXx> I'll be at SummerCon.
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20:02 <+eryc> http://2.media.tumblr.com/800uBOPl3m1sa5kicerHclelo1_500.jpg
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20:16  * rhia makes mental note not to move to Finland
20:18 <@Evilpig> why not?
20:19 <@polerin> heh
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20:44 <@tzanger> evening peeps
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21:47 <+eryc> i got me some new speakers
21:47 <+eryc> these motherfuckers are loud!!
21:47 <+eryc> 200w rms, 400w peak
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23:13 <@polerin> wow, managed to hard lock both IE and firefox.
23:13 <@polerin> nice.
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