--- Log opened Thu May 21 00:00:06 2009
--- Day changed Thu May 21 2009
00:00  * miniMerc sits next to sdodson 
00:00 <@sdodson> Hey, so Fedora 11 is coming!
00:00 <@sdodson> PARTTTTTTTTTTTTTTYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYy
00:00 <@m0j0-j0j0> sdodson: thanks
00:01 < miniMerc> sdodson: if i put fedora on the mini, itll be fc10
00:01 <@sdodson> miniMerc: cause you have small testitcles
00:01 < miniMerc> sdodson: galgoci keeps telling me he's sending an intel wireless card for me
00:01 <@sdodson> You lack the giant stones needed for F11.
00:01 < miniMerc> so fedora wont cry like a bitch about the broadcom
00:01 < miniMerc> yes indeed i do
00:02 <@sdodson> I think F11 is going to be really good.
00:02 < miniMerc> if its half as broken as FC10 was when it was released, it wont be stable enough
00:02 < miniMerc> FC10 got decent, tho
00:02 < miniMerc> its relatively mature
00:03 <@m0j0-j0j0> I'll run ubuntu until I have time enough to fight with my machine
00:03 <@m0j0-j0j0> FC14
00:04 < miniMerc> fedora > ubuntu
00:04 < coil> fuck fedora
00:04 <@sdodson> Ubuntu makes me angry.
00:04 < miniMerc> thing is, the dell mini comes with ubuntu already tuned and with drivers for everything
00:04 < miniMerc> so im making do with it
00:04 <@m0j0-j0j0> sdodson: cause it makes you look bad?
00:04 < coil> omg propertiary drivers
00:05 <@sdodson> m0j0-j0j0: No because it's useless and so are most of its users.
00:05 < miniMerc> i <3 proprietary drivers
00:05 < miniMerc> i dont care at all about any of that shit
00:05 < miniMerc> i just prefer rpm/yum
00:05 < miniMerc> its what i grew up on
00:05 < miniMerc> plus the packages overall are better synced
00:05 <@m0j0-j0j0> miniMerc: are you kidding me? apt is so much better than rpm
00:06 < miniMerc> ubuntu has the same problem debian does, the packages seem to have been cobbled together by too many sad dorks in too many basements
00:06 <@sasquatc4> sweet, so close to gettin a rootfs with java, sdl, and all sorts of stuff on this dingoo runnin
00:06 <@sdodson> I do, it seems dissengenuous that ubuntu shipps hacked up proprietary shit on minis.
00:06 < miniMerc> m0j0-j0j0: no, i am not kidding you
00:06 < miniMerc> sdodson: doubt id go so far as to call it disingenuous
00:06 < miniMerc> ubuntu has the same problem debian does, the packages seem to have been cobbled together by too many sad dorks in too many basements you<fishhead> I am seriously pondering sterialization
00:06 < miniMerc>  oops
00:06 < miniMerc> what do you want minis to ship on
00:06 < miniMerc> er, with
00:07 < miniMerc> ubuntu has the reputation of "easy for even grandma and retards to use"
00:07 < miniMerc> so it seems a natural choice
00:07 <@sdodson> An open source linux variant run by someone who's interested in spending the 15 seconds it takes to try to get drivers upstream?
00:07 <@m0j0-j0j0> miniMerc: *nod*
00:08 < miniMerc> if it shipped with fedora you'd still have the same problems with dell not releasing the source to the modified stuff in a timely manner, etc
00:08 < miniMerc> i personally like fedora better, but dont hold it against ubuntu that its on the mini
00:08 < miniMerc> it does indeed "work"
00:08 <@m0j0-j0j0> I think fedora is a better rpoduct
00:08 <@m0j0-j0j0> if you have the time to get it all right
00:09 <@m0j0-j0j0> I hear yum is good
00:09 <@m0j0-j0j0> I had to deal with rpm back when it was a mess and honestly I don't know that it is much better these days
00:09 <@sdodson> There's no reason those drivers couldn't have been pushed upstream in a timely manner.
00:09 < miniMerc> m0j0-j0j0: it is much better these days
00:10 < miniMerc> sdodson: besides time and money, i guess yer right
00:10 < miniMerc> but we all know time and money means nothing
00:10 < miniMerc> especially "companies"
00:10 < miniMerc> trying to gain "income"
00:10 < miniMerc> the bastards
00:11 <@sdodson> miniMerc: Those drivers have been part of the ubuntu mid release for over a year now and until Bastian raised a stink about it Cannonical has made no effort to get them upstream and even stalled Bastian when he asked them about it.
00:11 <@m0j0-j0j0> I figure if you're bitching about what linux I run... at least I must not be running windows.
00:11 < miniMerc> i think windows is fine too
00:11 <@sdodson> I'm not asking for Dell to delay shipping something waiting on the driver to get upstream, I'm just asking that the OS vendor atleast put forth the effort to get those drives upstream.
00:11 < miniMerc> holy wars over shit like that are so 1998
00:12 <@m0j0-j0j0> 1989
00:12 < miniMerc> sdodson: i hear ya, it may be annoying, but the fact of the matter is that most businesses are not setup to deal with that sort of shit
00:12 < miniMerc> i dont think of it as a huge conspiracy
00:12 <@sdodson> miniMerc: This is our game, this is how you play it.
00:12 < miniMerc> its just business
00:12 < miniMerc> bidniss
00:13 <@sdodson> I'm not suggesting it's a conspiracy. I'm just suggesting that Cannonical has repeatedly shown they don't have the slightest fucking interest in pushing opensource.
00:13 <@sdodson> If works in their distro, it's good enough.
00:13 < miniMerc> ...
00:13 < miniMerc> ya pretty much
00:13 < miniMerc> debian has always sucked anyway
00:13 <@m0j0-j0j0> miniMerc: This is our game, and I don't know why configure; make; make install isn't doing the trick
00:13 <@sdodson> No one else would ever want a working track pad, why should we push this drive upstream?
00:13 < miniMerc> so does ubuntu
00:14 < miniMerc> you seem to be confusing some sort of moral obligation with business
00:14 <@m0j0-j0j0> morals?
00:14 <@sdodson> It's not a moral obligation. It's  just how Linux works.
00:14 <@m0j0-j0j0> who's he?
00:15 <@sdodson> It's the reason the kernel is still GPL and not something like BSD.
00:15 <@m0j0-j0j0> legal obligation?
00:15 < miniMerc> i refuse to even pretend that i care about licenses or the moral implications of an open system
00:15 < miniMerc> all i care about is free as in beer
00:15 <@sdodson> http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cpg/1181182248.html
00:16 < miniMerc> i am no idealogue when it comes to software
00:16 < miniMerc> as i said, im sure i was pretty rabid about it a decade ago; now i just dont care
00:16 <@m0j0-j0j0> open source was great... when I was young enough not to have that kind of hopefulness beaten out of me.
00:16 < miniMerc> hell, i have a vista box, surely vista is a bigger crime than ubuntu on a minki
00:17 < miniMerc> MS doesnt want ANYONE'S hardware to work unless it's made by them!
00:17 < miniMerc> boohoo!
00:17 <@sdodson> Why does it need to be beaten out of you? The only reason you're able to run ubuntu is because it fucking works.
00:17 <@sdodson> the only reaosn ubuntu exists is that debian understands this shit
00:18 <@m0j0-j0j0> I ran slackware back when it hardly could have been called working
00:18 <@sdodson> Last week?
00:18 <@m0j0-j0j0> and I ran redhat for many years
00:18 <@m0j0-j0j0> redhat servers at work
00:19 <@m0j0-j0j0> I still have my redhat 5.2 CD
00:19 <@m0j0-j0j0> and my 4 Cd
00:19 <@sdodson> Is this the Fresh Prince of RDU story?
00:20 < miniMerc> it'd have to rhyme to be that
00:21 <@sdodson> miniMerc: galgoci is busy and shit i imagine
00:21 <@m0j0-j0j0> I'm just saying.. it's not like I've never tried redhat... I just don't think its the easiest thing to get completely correctly installed and configured for a netbook
00:22 <@sdodson> I'm sure ubuntu in 1997 was hard to install on netbooks too.
00:22 <@m0j0-j0j0> last version I ran as a desktop was FC3 and that was only for a day or two because rpm's still sucked
00:23 <@sdodson> rpm doesn't and never did suck
00:23 < miniMerc> m0j0-j0j0: lets be clear that what came on my mini is not ubuntu, but "dell ubuntu remix" with a bunch of drivers and codecs that wouldnt be there in ubuntu proper
00:23 <@sdodson> the lack of coherent repositories is what you ran into
00:23 <@sdodson> dpkg has all the same problems.
00:23 < miniMerc> if i install ubuntu im gonna run into the same problems as fedora, no open source driver for the wireless, incomplete support for the touchpad, etc etc etc
00:24 < miniMerc> m0j0-j0j0: sdodson is right, people didnt understand that you couldnt take a mandrake RPM and install it onto redhat without problems
00:24 < miniMerc> RPM only had problems because it was so fucking successful
00:24 < miniMerc> its the same idea of windows having virus problems, it gets the viruses because everyone uses it
00:25 <@sdodson> If you want an ubuntu equivalent for rpm compare it to dpkg not apt.
00:25 <@sdodson> rpm = dpkg, yum = apt
00:25 < miniMerc> sdodson: except, better
00:26 <@m0j0-j0j0> I'm pretty sure that the guy behind rpm was diagnosed with mental issues at some point
00:26 < miniMerc> there seem to be 10 different apt tools for different thingds
00:26 < miniMerc> apt-get, apt-cache, apt-this, apt-that
00:26 < miniMerc> on a fedora system, rpm and yum do everything you want/need
00:26 <@sdodson> Ya, that's just semantics though.
00:26 <@sdodson> like "git clone" versus "git-clone"
00:26 < miniMerc> not reallyt
00:27 < coil> yarly
00:27 <@sdodson> "application verb" "application-verb"
00:27 <@sdodson> though the -verb in apt is incoherent
00:27 <@sdodson> apt-get? get wtf get
00:27 < miniMerc> at any rate, i find yum far more simple and rpm far more powerful than the same tools in debian/ubuntu
00:27 <@sdodson> apt-deeznutz
00:28 <@m0j0-j0j0> synaptic is the only tool you need on debian
00:28 < miniMerc> dont care what people say, what you learned linux on is whats easiest and thats why a lot of people like apt, ubuntu is a n00b paradise (and theres nothing wrong with that)
00:29 < miniMerc> but i learned linux before any package management systems were popular, and when they did become popular, rpm was the only game in town that mattered
00:29 < miniMerc> so i know it
00:29 < miniMerc> i know yum from fedora
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00:29 < miniMerc> like the back of my hand
00:29 < miniMerc> nothing else will do
00:29 < miniMerc> for me
00:33 <@sdodson> The authors are crazy rich and as far as I know mentally stable.
00:33 < miniMerc> sdodson: yea he said he actually mailed out the card yesterday, i dunno if he's lying or not
00:33 < miniMerc> galgoci is a slippery eel
00:33 < miniMerc> without a conscience
00:34 <@sdodson> I'm a lumberjack and I'm ok? (tits) http://images.photo.bikestats.eu/zdjecie,pelne,53955,lodz-art-center.jpg
00:34 < miniMerc> damn, all big titties
00:38 <@m0j0-j0j0> "But what happens when a core piece of software suffers from politics and agendas, cruft, and bad decisions–or no decisions at all?"
00:38 < miniMerc> debian
00:38 <@m0j0-j0j0> thats from redhat magazine
00:39 <@m0j0-j0j0> "the story of rpm"
00:39 <@m0j0-j0j0> the article goes on to say its straight now
00:40 <@m0j0-j0j0> but to say it's always been a bed of roses might not be completely correct in everyones eyes
00:41 < miniMerc> http://establishedmen.com/
00:43 <@sdodson> uninformed eyes
00:43 <@m0j0-j0j0> miniMerc: are you established?
00:43 < miniMerc> no, but im a princess
00:44  * m0j0-j0j0 checks ircstats
00:44 <@m0j0-j0j0> you look it, cupcake.
00:48 <@m0j0-j0j0> well.. it's been nice causing you distress, but I have to get up early to go to a scrum and pretend that I actually give a shit if my guys are working or not.. so I need my beauty sleep
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00:49 <@sdodson> It's run by someone with a hyphenated name.
00:50 < miniMerc> hyphenated for success
00:50 <@sdodson> How much do I need to make to be considered established?
00:51 < miniMerc> if you have to ask, you arent established
00:54 < miniMerc> k
00:55 <@Evilpig> windows7 is too smart for its own good
00:55 <@Evilpig> i disabled the second sata controller on my board so i could install 7 on the other hard drive without any interferance
00:56 <@Evilpig> it sees the disabled controller
00:56 <@CRasH180> wha?
00:57 <@Evilpig> it just tried to install over my xp install that i disabled the sata controller for
00:57 < miniMerc> dont the windows 7 betas et all have a expiration date?
00:57 <@Evilpig> a year from now
00:57 < miniMerc> hm
00:57 < miniMerc> not bad
00:58 <@Evilpig> i should have brought my other 2gb stick of ram back from murray this trip too
00:59 <@sdodson> couldn't fit it, no more room?
00:59 <@Evilpig> didn't think about it
01:00 <@Evilpig> xp freaks out when i have 4gb in. windows 7 should use it correctly
01:00 <@sasquatc4> damn so close, have linux booting up on this thing and starting up ok, just cant get the damn serial working to get into it
01:03 <@Evilpig> weird. windows 7 said installing updates on the first install
01:04 < miniMerc> slipstreamed for your pleasure
01:04 <@Evilpig> setup is updating registry settings now
01:05 <@Evilpig> this is the vanilla iso from the vbeta site
01:05 < miniMerc> itll still have updates
01:05 < miniMerc> from, well, whatever came before
01:06 <@Evilpig> looks like it is detecting hardware now cause my keyboard is flashing
01:06 <@Evilpig> monitors just went to a higher res
01:07 < miniMerc> farted
01:08 <@Evilpig> i wish this installer was a little morw giving with the details
01:09 <@sdodson> I'm pretty sure they've taken the "Select which drive to install on, press go, we'll configure shit after it's installed" approach
01:09 <@Evilpig> setup is checking video performance
01:10 <@Evilpig> i'm a fan of a fast install but when it takes 15 min to detect hardware and all it says is please wait...
01:10 <@sdodson> I wonder if it uses the same performance index as Vista or if it's been updated to reflect that it's released two years after Vista.
01:11 <@Evilpig> finalizing settings
01:12 <@Evilpig> about 30 min to install
01:12 <@CRasH180> Windows 7 is ok
01:12 <@CRasH180> not great, but it is ok
01:13 <@Evilpig> doesn't recognize an audigy 2
01:17 <@Evilpig> forget that.  this is an x-fi.  but I found beta drivers on creative's site
01:17 <@Evilpig> I am running the performance check now to see how it rates
01:17 <@sasquatc4> does windows 7 still use the vista locked down audio setup?
01:17 <@Evilpig> not sure
01:18 <@CRasH180> I installed it about a week ago, but did not keep it.
01:18 <@Evilpig> they have a neat tool to make screenshots with
01:18 <@CRasH180> And, I cannot remember
01:18 <@sasquatc4> thats one thing that definitely made me not want to try it, seems like that would be a horrible detrament to any sort of creative audio work, like it would get in the way of any studio apps i would try
01:20 <@Evilpig> so far it is running fairly well.  which is surprising
01:21 <@CRasH180> what are your computer specs?
01:21 <@Evilpig> amd something or other 6000+ 2GB ram  and an nvidia 7800GT
01:22 <@sasquatc4> well ive heard windows 7 runs like a champ on most stuff, not that those specs would have any issues, geez
01:22 <@Evilpig> it isn't that great.  :P
01:23 <@Evilpig> no drivers for my webcam
01:23 <@Evilpig> no surprise there
01:23 <@CRasH180> yeah, I ran it on amd XP2600 w/ 1GB ram and nvidia geforce 4600ti
01:23 <@CRasH180> It ran ok
01:24 <@Evilpig> this is the first time this machine has been allowed ot actually run 64bit native
01:27 <@Evilpig> says hardware score goes from 1.0 to 7.9 and mine is a 5.2
01:28 <@Evilpig> found the first thing I liked
01:28 <@CRasH180> shiny new button?
01:28 <@Evilpig> right click a device in device manager to uninstall.  there is a checkmark now to uninstall the driver files
01:29 <@CRasH180> oh, that is nice
01:29 <@CRasH180> finally
01:29 <@CRasH180> good luck with that
01:29 <@CRasH180> When is the next 2600 meeting?
01:29 <@CRasH180> I have no idea where this information is listed
01:29 <@Evilpig> same time as always
01:29 <@Evilpig> first friday of every month
01:30 <@CRasH180> ok
01:30 <@CRasH180> thank you. I will be there
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01:37 < miniMerc> HE WILL BE THERE
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01:48 <@sasquatc4> anyone know how to get completely rid of a root password on a system, so you can just login with the username root and no pass
01:48 <@Evilpig> my wow directory needs to be trimmed.  17.3GB is ridiculous
01:50 <@sasquatc4> i know this is how we have our boxes setup at work, need to do the same thing on this handheld
01:51 <@Evilpig> and here is my first bug. I hit ctrl+t for a new tab in IE>  I see it flash up and disappear just as fast
01:53 < miniMerc> i use firefox nowadays on windows anyway
01:53 < miniMerc> seems a bit snappier
01:53 <@Evilpig> I always do.  but testing a new OS
01:53 < miniMerc> nod
01:54 <@Evilpig> have to reboot.  bbiab
02:14 <@sasquatc4> woot, now i can login to the dingoo through usb, got java runnin on it and a bunch of other libs ready to go
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04:00 < t0nto> hello!
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05:47 < miniMerc> 5BALLS
07:10 <@tzanger> 5 balls eh
07:21 < ware> as well as also
08:17 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
08:25 <@TheLightcosine> mornin dole
08:25 <@TheLightcosine> i am changing my title to "DNS Specialist" for the week
08:25 <@TheLightcosine> heh
08:45 <@Shadow404> heh, im that every day
08:47  * [1NF0]_Work * Specialist
08:48 <@Dolemite> Shadow404 : Funny, I was thinking the same thing about your Mom.
08:48 < [1NF0]_Work> Actually, I should do that as my title on the business cards... would save a lot of titles
08:48 <@Shadow404> Dolemite: that makes no sense
08:49 < [1NF0]_Work> Unless DNS is "Drinking Newguy's Semen" or something...
08:51 <@Shadow404> meh, $customer just called the NOC asking for a box of rj-45 delivered to his cage asap, apparently he tripped over the whole rats nest he calls cable management and pulled everything out of the jacks
08:51 <@Shadow404> and hes freaking out
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08:54 <@Dolemite> Shadow404 : You said you were "in that every day".  I was just thinking about how I was in your Mom every day.
08:58 <@Shadow404> i said "im", not "in"
08:58 <@Shadow404> you fail
08:58 <@Dolemite> Well, doesn't change the fact that I'm giving her a Dirty Sanchez around noontime today
09:00 < ware> bunch of cocksuckers
09:03 < ware> Shadow404: haha
09:04 < ware> what a dildo
09:04 < ware> also, pig aids
09:12 < ware> also, what ntp server do you use to sync with
09:12 < ware> other than time.windows.com pool.ntp.org
09:14 < [1NF0]_Work> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=List+of+NTP+Servers
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09:18 < ware> windows 7 pissing me the FUCK OFF
09:18 < ware> SLOW ASS SHIT
09:18 < ware> [1NF0]_Work: i will drop kick you in the face dude
09:19 < ware> i know how to google, i was asking for a preference since most in here are supposed to be administrators
09:20 <@m0j0-j0j0> trollogic
09:23 < sariel> ware: install something else
09:24 <@m0j0-j0j0> ware: sdodson highly recommends ubuntu because the apt system is better than rpm
09:28 < ware> sariel: i dont even know who you are
09:28 < ware> sneak ass fuck, who are you and where did you come from
09:29 < sariel> ware: you grew up on efnet didnt you
09:30 < sariel> ware: =(
09:30 < ware> ur fukin rite i did
09:30 <@Shadow404> ware.fail.snsweather.com
09:30 < ware> 09:33 [he] ,---Whois--< sariel [~sariel@ramiel.lluvioso.org]
09:30 < ware> 09:33 [he] | ircname  : Luigi Capra
09:31 < ware> are you an efnet junkie as well?
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09:41 < ware> obviously not, otherwise you'd understand the concept of Instant Relay Chat
09:43 <@polerin> wow, I may not agree with ventura's politics, but he's coming out swinging recently
09:44 < ware> LOL polerin is he initiating it from behind?
09:44 < sariel> instant relay chat, lol
09:44 < sariel> thats lovely
09:44 < ware> passive trolls dont work with me
09:45 < ware> be more aggressive please
09:45 < ware> or just answer the previously stated question, who are you and how'd you find us?
09:45 < sariel> ware: i live in atlanta and attended a few meetings about 5 years ago
09:45 < ware> sweet
09:47 < ware> so you know dc0de / Shadow404 ?
09:47 < ware> or just checking back with the community
09:50 <@polerin> sariel: don't mind ware
09:54 < ware> polerin: dont mind me? thanks bitch, im trying to have a conversation
09:54 < ware> dont mind me... wtf
09:54 < ware> ignore me if you dont like what i have to say
09:54  * ware queues up a dropkick for polerin 
09:58 < sariel> ware: no
09:58 < ware> they are around ATL i believe
09:58 < sariel> polerin: i dont, i was just being a passive troll
09:59 < ware> sariel: so you know, im in nashville and im a dick online > 50% of the time
09:59 < ware> not fair to ask who you are and where youre from without me disclosing my info! eh?
10:00 < ware> windows 7 (and my workload) have pissed me off this morning so im a bit more edgey than usual, pardon
10:04 <@sdodson> m0j0-j0j0: no
10:04 <@m0j0-j0j0> sdodson: I think so
10:05  * sdodson sighs
10:08 < ware> sdodson: wanna go workout?
10:12 <@m0j0-j0j0> ware: he's too busy trying to get his RPMs straight
10:12 <@sdodson> ware: sure thing boss
10:12  * sdodson removes m0j0-j0j0
10:12 <@Shadow404> ware: dont be such a douche.... http://ware.douche.snsweather.com/
10:13 -!- Shadow404 was kicked from #se2600 by sdodson [your dns skills don't impress anyone]
10:13 <@sdodson> and wtf is snsweather
10:13 <@brimstone> no, but i LOVE his urlmasking skills
10:13 <@sdodson> LAYUM
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10:14 <@sdodson> Is it another fucking youtube video?
10:14 <@Shadow404> since when did i think they do?
10:14 <@Shadow404> i never said i wanted to impress, did i?
10:14 <@sdodson> Shadow404: since you do it every day.
10:14 <@sdodson> Shadow404: Yes.
10:14 <@Shadow404> well, its fun
10:14 <@Shadow404> thats all
10:14 <@sdodson> 10:17 <Shadow404> Hey, do you think we could go on a date? I have leet dns skills nao.
10:15 <@sdodson> FROM MY LOGS!
10:15 <@Shadow404> lawl
10:15 <@Shadow404> what does nao stand for?
10:15 <@Shadow404> since i dont use that at all
10:15 <@m0j0-j0j0> NewsAndObserver?
10:16 <@Shadow404> nano?
10:16 <@Shadow404> ah, urban dictionary ftw
10:16 <@sdodson> good job
10:17 <@Shadow404> apparently it means "now" in a bashful and impatient, geeky way
10:17  * sdodson rage quits
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10:17 <@Shadow404> and stay out
10:18 -!- mode/#se2600 [-b sdodson!*@*] by Shadow404
10:18 -!- mode/#se2600 [-b sdodson!*@*] by m0j0-j0j0
10:18 <@Shadow404> m0j0-j0j0: fail
10:18 <@Shadow404> im not that mean to keep the ban you douche
10:18 < fie> Are the alabama meets active?
10:19 <@Shadow404> sorta, at least the hsv ones are
10:19 < fie> That's slightly amazing.
10:19 <@m0j0-j0j0> Shadow404: I just didn't want to listen to the whining
10:19 < fie> m0j0-j0j0, /ignore sdodson
10:20 <@Shadow404> yep
10:20 <@m0j0-j0j0> dods a nice guy.. not everyone is a rock star
10:22 <@Shadow404> im not saying he isnt
10:22 <@Shadow404> but he can still be annoying
10:23 <@m0j0-j0j0> like ware.... if he wasn't here then maybe I'd be labeled as the group douchebag.
10:23 < ware> Shadow404: if youre going to play with dns, at least try to be leet
10:23 < ware> ] ,---Whois--< ware [i=w@u.NF]
10:23 <@m0j0-j0j0> thanks ware
10:23 < ware> m0j0-j0j0: np
10:24 <@Shadow404> ware: right
10:24 < ware> fie: hsv has a pimp crew
10:24 < ware> theyve got a hackerspace too
10:25 <@m0j0-j0j0> oh.. has anyone talked to Al in the last 2 months?
10:25 < ware> hes on fbook all the time
10:25 <@Shadow404> aye
10:25 <@m0j0-j0j0> I think he all cheesed off about the raleigh hackerspace discussion
10:26 <@m0j0-j0j0> Stroker
10:27 < fie> ....
10:27 <@m0j0-j0j0> Stroger
10:34 <@polerin> bleh
10:43 <@m0j0-j0j0> polerin: Al issues?
10:44 < ware> m0j0 issues
10:45 <@m0j0-j0j0> ware: you're had mojo issues long before I came back to ircc
10:48 <@m0j0-j0j0> ware: yeah, well fuck you then aggressive trolls aren't all about the lolz you know.
10:49 < fie> wickywow
10:52 <@m0j0-j0j0> lunch
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11:15 <@Evilpig> well windows 7 still running.
11:23 < poiupoiu> Evilpig, how is it?
11:23 <@Evilpig> not bad
11:24 <@Evilpig> I am really surprised.  I think my machine is running better actually. and I just found out that mspaint saves to png by default now
11:24 < poiupoiu> yay
11:25  * poiupoiu thinks of getting it and trying it a bit in a VM
11:25 <@Evilpig> I even have aero running and it isn't running like ass
11:25 <@brimstone> poiupoiu: it's on the share at the apt
11:25 < poiupoiu> brimstone, cool cool - i'll have to remember to grab it
11:25 <@Evilpig> about to post a screenshot
11:27 <@Evilpig> my wallpaper is semi-sfw http://wilpig.org/temp/windows7-firstlook.png
11:30 <@Evilpig> they moved windows update from tools to a new menu called safety
11:32 < poiupoiu> looks pretty -- kind of reminds me of conky mixed in with google toolbars meets apple
11:33 < poiupoiu> realyl, close to a fusion of all 3 OSes
11:33 < poiupoiu> but that's just at a glance
11:35 <@Evilpig> the quick launch toolbar is completely gone
11:35 <@Evilpig> you can now "pin" apps to the task bar down there
11:35 < sariel> my first impressions of windows 7: http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2008/09/dumpster_hot_tub.html
11:35 < poiupoiu> hmm. i'm definately interested
11:36 < sariel> it works, it's kind of cool, but still a dumpster
11:39 <@polerin> I don't see the point of transparent window borders unless your content is transparent as well
11:40 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: Aren't most Windows users transparent enough?
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11:50 <@Shadow404> did you see the redneck pool heater in the comment
11:50 <@Shadow404> not a bad idea actually
11:55 < sariel> that doesn't look like a bad idea? :P
11:58 <@Shadow404> cheaper and just about as efficient as buying a commercial version that does basically the same thing
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12:12 < ware> Evilpig: im wrestling with w7 aswell
12:12 < ware> by default the power settings are fucked
12:12 < ware> hdd goes to sleep after 20 min? ITS A FUCKING DESKTOP INSTALL
12:13 < ware> it has until the end of next week to make me change my mind
12:13 < ware> right now i am set on going back to xp
12:15 <@Evilpig> mine is running better so far
12:15 <@Evilpig> I haven't messed witht he power settings yet
12:16 <@Evilpig> but I did notice it took a while to come up this morning i'll check those now
12:16 <@Evilpig> the tray area for the sound settings etc.  that part annoys me.  you have to tell it specifically which things to show.  it hides everything by default
12:22 < sariel> shadowmoss: except it's a dumpster
12:22 < sariel> er
12:22 <@Evilpig> that is neat.  pointless but neat.  windows 7 has a way to change your wallpaper every 30 min or whenever you pic
12:30 < ware> yeah i dont like the tray stuff
12:31 < ware> or how the taskbar groups items, you do a quick launch type shortcut then depending on where it is on the bar is where the window goes
12:31 <@Evilpig> I turned off the grouping
12:31 < ware> tho putting the taskbar on the left side of the screen vertical makes that feature somewhat useful
12:35 <@I-MOD> can you turn off the fancy gui stuff?
12:35 <@I-MOD> i'd rather my system still look like win2k
12:36 <@brimstone> stop living in the past I-MOD
12:37 < ware> yeah im on the "classic" theme
12:41 <@I-MOD> i don't need all this flashy shit
12:41 < ware> i h8 it
12:41 <@I-MOD> i just want my system to keep running fast forever
12:41 < ware> ive got a geforce 5200fx and im still getting lag in the windows
12:41 < ware> refresh rate is dick
12:42 < ware> wasnt this way on xp yesterday*
12:42 < ware> pentiuum D 2.8ghz w 2gb ddr
12:43 <@I-MOD> all i really want is the dx10 support
12:43 <@I-MOD> and i wasn't willing to go to vista for that
12:45 < ware> im copying shit off my xps m1210 laptop atm, gonna try w7 on it
12:45 < ware> its a bit more beefy than my work desktop
12:47 <@I-MOD> i've been meaning to install the RC at home
12:48 < fie> Cool, according to this image VA is def part of SE http://www.americanbannerexchange.com/us-southeast.gif
12:48 < fie> I wasn't positive.
12:49 <@I-MOD> i wouldn't claim AR or LA are part of the SE
12:50 < fie> LA doesn't seem like a midwestern state
12:50 < fie> AR probably.
12:51  * fie shrugs
12:51 < fie> Anyone here from LA or AR?
12:53 <@I-MOD> LA is just part of the divider
12:53 <@I-MOD> that whole string in that vertical line
12:53 <@I-MOD> no one wants to claim either one :D
12:54 < fie> hah, it must have been decided over a poker game.
12:55 <@Evilpig> arg!  something is making the alert noise and I can't figure out what it is
12:59 <@Catonic> You'd be sketchy too, if you lived north of Louisiana
13:17 <@Evilpig> WTF is dinging!?!
13:19 < ware> hahahha
13:19 < ware> 20 minutes later
13:19 < ware> rofl
13:20 <@Evilpig> I can't find it.  and it's fucking random when it happens
13:20 <@Evilpig> there are no alerts on teh screen.  nothing in the event viewer
13:20 <@Evilpig> no new instant messages
13:21 < ware> haha
13:21 < ware> coming form your machine? the windows 7 install?
13:22 <@Evilpig> yes
13:22 < ware> i noticed that i was getting alerts from the "Solve PC Issues" icon in the system tray and had to disable it
13:22 < ware> its like a little flag thingy
13:22 <@Evilpig> that could be it.  I hid that motherfucker
13:22 < ware> "Action Center"
13:23 <@Evilpig> it's set to hide icon and notificateion
13:23 <@Evilpig> notifications
13:24 <@Evilpig> one thing is for sure.  2GB of ram is NOT enough
13:24 <@Evilpig> i'll get notlarry to bring back my other 2GB stick from murray when he comes this weekend
13:27 < ware> ive got 4 in my laptop, still pulling data off it atm
13:27 < ware> but im gonna install w7 on it this afternoon
13:28 < ware> its a dualcore 2.8ghz too, so literally twice as fast as my desktop
13:28 < ware> in the end ill go back to xp/ubuntu on here tho
13:28 < ware> always do
13:30 <@Evilpig> FUCK!! !%$!$@#!%$@#!
13:30 < ware> rofl
13:30 <@Evilpig> turned that shit off and it did it again
13:30 < ware> yeah i assumed that :P
13:30 < ware> turn off your speakers, or is it a system beep?
13:30 <@Evilpig> it's fromt he speakers
13:31 <@Evilpig> looking to update ashley's but she needs a better PC first.  http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4443974&CatId=2417
13:32 < ware> ahh word
13:32 < ware> ive been considering building a new pc
13:32 < ware> really all i *need* is a mobo+processor+ram
13:32 < ware> but id like to get a new case and some 10k rpm drives
13:33 <@Evilpig> only downside to that board is it tops out at 4GB
13:33 < ware> the phenom processors are sweet
13:33 < ware> err phenom2s *
13:38 < fie> ROAAAAAAAAAAAAR
13:41 <@Evilpig> AGAIN!
13:41 <@Evilpig> WTF?!
13:44 <@Evilpig> Dolemite: ping
13:45 < fie> I like to design when I'm depressed.
13:45 < fie> The sign of a great artist right?
13:45  * fie grabs the jack
13:45 <@m0j0-j0j0> its the alert telling you that your alert service has been turned of
13:46 <@m0j0-j0j0> f
13:46 <@Evilpig> knowing microsoft it is.  there it was agian
13:47 <@m0j0-j0j0> if it makes you feel any better... my machine beeps at me every time I unload the pcspeaker driver
13:47 <@Evilpig> it's happening about every 15 min
13:49 <@Shadow404> sounds like you have a case of the beeps
13:49 <@m0j0-j0j0> it's the beep letting you know your machine has been owned by a 5th grader
13:50 <@Dolemite> Evilpig : pong
13:50 <@m0j0-j0j0> in Ms. Keyton's spelling class.
13:50 <@m0j0-j0j0> spell autodefenestrate.
13:51 <@m0j0-j0j0> the password is swordfish
13:52 <@Evilpig> the resource monitor in windows 7 is cool
13:52 < ware> perfmon?
13:58 <@Dagmar> It's shint
13:58 <@Dagmar> er shiny
13:59 <@Evilpig> it's a litlte more than permon
14:00 <@Evilpig> you can filter the different resources by the host process
14:00 < fie> Everyday feels like friday to me.
14:00 < fie> Ugg :-L
14:00 < ware> nice
14:00 < ware> WEEE ARE THE CHAMPIONS, OF THE WOOOOOORRRLLLDDD
14:00 < ware> 105.9fm
14:01 <@Evilpig> that was weird.  my left monitor just shut out
14:01 <@Evilpig> firefox is gone.  so is IE.  strange
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14:02 <@Evilpig> I've gotta reboot.  firefox crashed and windows went crazy
14:04 < ware> had that problem twice
14:04 < ware> explorer crashes after ff hangs
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14:07 <@Dagmar> p/bind
14:07 < fie> What quality is it where a person thinks they are always right and rejects everyone else's opinions/reality?
14:09 < fie> What do you think of when you see #0ff
14:09 < fie> ... the color not the number.
14:10 <@Dagmar> -EMALFORMED
14:13 <@m0j0-j0j0> cyan
14:14 <@m0j0-j0j0> fie: around this office we call that quality Bill
14:14 <@m0j0-j0j0> Bill doesn't work here anymore, but we're still cleaning it up
14:22 < fie> m0j0-j0j0, bill?
14:24 < fie> Hmmmmmm http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_D8lrDPpOS2o/SdNdVjukbsI/AAAAAAAAATY/SJoQWTwS8uk/s400/dag-windows3.1.gif
14:24 < fie> not quite 0ff
14:25 <@m0j0-j0j0> 088
14:25 < fie> 3da0c7
14:26 < fie> 4ac
14:31 <@m0j0-j0j0> 49d
14:33 < fie> no? wut?
14:34 < fie> This is now how rounding works
14:34 < fie> not*
14:36 <@m0j0-j0j0> 99 is closer to a0 then aa
14:37 <@m0j0-j0j0> 49c
14:37 <@m0j0-j0j0> just use the 6 digit one
14:38 <@Dolemite> Speaking of rounding
14:39 <@Dolemite> I was reading up on the best way to round the edges on a toybox that I'm building for my son
14:39 <@Dolemite> So I went to diynetwork.com and they recommended using a router
14:39 <@I-MOD> router
14:39 <@Dolemite> Now I have to get my fucking CCNA to make a toybox
14:39 <@I-MOD> :D
14:40 <@I-MOD> nah, you just beat the edges off with one of those old cisco routers
14:41 < coil> different type of router nerds
14:41 < coil> no one in here took woodshop class in high school?
14:42 <@Dolemite> trade classes were limited to those students with low college potential
14:42 <@I-MOD> coil, did you not notice how quick my response was?
14:43  * I-MOD shops coil into a toybox
14:44 < coil> yes I-MOD but i was just trolling by
14:44 < ware> lol coil thought we were dum
14:44 < ware> ROFL
14:44 < ware> WE R NOT DUM U R UR
14:44 < fie> m0j0-j0j0, my bad, forgot that f == ff
14:44 < fie> not f0
14:44 < ware> DUM UR R LOL, UR
14:44 < ware> fie: UR
14:44 < fie> ware, thx
14:44 < coil> urmomis dum
14:44 < ware> i want a margarita or 6 :(
14:44 < fie> same here
14:44 < fie> cuz we are gay
14:44 < coil> on ice
14:44 <@Dolemite> you are in detox!
14:44 <@Shadow404> i could for a a pina colada at my desk
14:44 < ware> i saw the hottest indian chick i have ever seen in my life
14:45 < fie> <3 indian chicks
14:45 < ware> she literally looked like a real life Jasmine from Alladin
14:45 < ware> bubble butt with almost C titties
14:45 < fie> .....
14:45 < ware> jet black shiny hair
14:45 < fie> jasmine has no tits or ass
14:45 < ware> my version does
14:45 < ware> and she was wearing spandex tops and bottoms, just amazing all around
14:46 <@Dolemite> Are you sure she was Indian, or are you simplying applying that label to all women from South Asia?
14:46 < ware> Dolemite: doesnt matter, but the brief moments i didnt have my gaze fixed on her chest or ass i noticed she had a red dot on her forehead
14:47 < coil> shes muslim at least
14:47 < ware> i commented that i would fuck the allah out of her lol
14:47 <@Shadow404> what did she say back?
14:48 <@Shadow404> before or after she slapped you?
14:48 < ware> "i bet you wont put your supremist white cock between my amazingly toned beautiful breasts and tell me that"
14:48 < ware> so i did, and it was sweet
14:48 < ware> then we went for a magic carpet ride and she rubbed my magic lamp
14:48 < ware> the end
14:49 <@Shadow404> lawl, very nice
14:49 < ware> case in point, hottest dothead ive ever seen.
14:49 < coil> pics
14:49 < fie> GENERAGE!
14:49 < fie> REGENERAGE!
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14:55 < fie> Dear PHP, thank you for natsort();
14:58 <@Dolemite> If she had a dot on her forehead then she's Hindu, not Muslim
14:59 < fie> holy shit I'm an idiot.
14:59 < fie> "magic carpet ride"
14:59 < ware> Dolemite: same thing
15:00 < ware> !christian == terrorist
15:00 < ware> this is God's country regardless if people forget that or not
15:01 <@m0j0-j0j0> which god would that be
15:01 < ware> the only God
15:01 <@m0j0-j0j0> Budda
15:01 < ware> with a capital G
15:01 < ware> with a capital G
15:01 <@m0j0-j0j0> Gudda
15:02 < ware> when did you start attempting to troll?
15:02 < ware> ive been doing this for just over 10 years
15:02 < ware> you make yourself look stupid and insult my talent
15:02 < ware> srs
15:02 <@m0j0-j0j0> telent?
15:02 <@m0j0-j0j0> rambling on to yourself for hours?
15:02 < ware> precisely
15:03 < ware> sure why not
15:03 <@m0j0-j0j0> you know you like the aggressive fucking troll line.. you're so into my troll you want to name it
15:05 < ware> lose. when you can do something on the scale of trolling n3td3v off FD come back to me
15:05 < coil> fd?
15:05 <@m0j0-j0j0> what if your one true god is like Howey on Deal or No Deal
15:06 <@m0j0-j0j0> he's the guy you talk to.. but he has no real power
15:06 < ware> coil: when you can name security lists from acronyms get back at me
15:06 <@m0j0-j0j0> the power is the man behind the curtain
15:06 <@m0j0-j0j0> the even truer god
15:11 <@rhia> http://www.thelocal.de/sci-tech/20090515-19313.html
15:11 <@m0j0-j0j0> coil: thats right.. ware is the sup3r 1337 gibson hacker that can't manage to secure a chair on the roof of a hotel so you're not worthy
15:13 <@m0j0-j0j0> rhia: remote killing chips... hmm.. I see American Idol getting much more interesting.
15:14 < ware> m0j0-j0j0: the idea is to take the chair from its secure location and move it
15:14 < ware> thereby securing its fate
15:17 < ware> F!@#)_(ING CHIMMENY SWEEPERS I HATE CREATING DOCUMENTATION
15:17 <@aestetix> You know
15:17 <@aestetix> I'm watching what's going on in the news
15:17 <@aestetix> Either Obama has turned into a traitor
15:18 <@aestetix> Or there is some majorly fucked up stuff going on.
15:18 <@Shadow404> go figure
15:18 <@Shadow404> didnt see that coming up
15:18 <@aestetix> I'm tending to think the latter.
15:18 < ware> he flat out lied, hes a puppet
15:18 <@Shadow404> hmm, obama lied
15:18 <@Shadow404> no way
15:18 < ware> i watched the obama deception a few days ago and it brought up some pretty interesting points
15:18 <@aestetix> I don't think it's that cut and dry.
15:18 <@aestetix> The man used to teach Constitutional law.
15:19 <@Shadow404> and that makes him a saint?
15:20 <@aestetix> It's just curious. I wonder if there's more than meets the eye.
15:23 < coil> his ten inch cock
15:24 <@Shadow404> aestetix: no you think?
15:25 <@Shadow404> welcome to reality
15:25 < ware> aestetix: watch the Obama Deception if you havent
15:26 < ware> some of it is paranoia propeganda, but there are some valid interesting things he brings up
15:29 <@Corydon76-dig> Does he have a corresponding Bush Deception?
15:29 <@Corydon76-dig> or is he a partisan?
15:30 < ware> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7886780711843120756
15:30 <@polerin> it's partisian
15:31 < ware> http://www.prisonplanet.com/the-obama-deception-guide.html
15:31 < ware> its not republican partisan
15:31 < ware> polerin hasnt even seen it
15:32 <@polerin> I've seen snippits of it, wasn't interested after that
15:32 <@polerin> struck me as standards black helecoptors NWA shit, and I got bored.
15:32 < ware> sheep
15:32 < ware> http://www.infowars.com/
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15:33 <@Shadow404> ware: ware.fail.snsweather.com
15:34 < ware> doesnt matter who thinks what of me or what i 'spew' in here
15:34 < ware> look at the news like aestetix said
15:34 < ware> all i said was he brings up interesting points in the film
15:35 <@Corydon76-dig> ware: such as?
15:35 < ware> watch the film
15:35 <@Corydon76-dig> really memorable points, eh?
15:35 <@polerin> HEH
15:35 < ware> im not here for you faggots to jizz on
15:35 <@polerin> Er stupid caps
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15:36 <@Corydon76-dig> I don't have 2 hours to waste on propaganda films
15:36 < ware> then dont watch it
15:36 < ware> go eat polerin's dick
15:36 <@m0j0-j0j0> ware: you're not here to for us to jizz on?
15:36 <@polerin> no thanks.  Also, really you need a new fallback.  Homophobia is too predictable.
15:36 <@Corydon76-dig> If you think it makes valid points, you should state them here.
15:37 <@Corydon76-dig> otherwise, you just sound like an adbot
15:37 <@polerin> he's just trolling with it
15:37 <@m0j0-j0j0> Corydon76-dig: I'm still confused... you told me that he was just here for us to jizz on
15:38 <@polerin> he'll be waving jesus-is-savior.com around next
15:38 <@Corydon76-dig> In the first 60 seconds, they already compared Obama with Hitler, so accordingly, they've lost the argument.
15:39 <@polerin> Though I agree, I think's that's actually a misapplication of the rule
15:39 <@m0j0-j0j0> two eyes
15:39 <@m0j0-j0j0> a nose
15:39 <@polerin> it's "the argument has reached it's conclusion."
15:39 <@polerin> or whatever
15:39 <@polerin> doesn't designate a winner, though to be honest since it's 60 seconds in, the winnner is obvious
15:40 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: I'm pretty sure Godwin said the first person to mention Hitler loses the argument
15:40 < ware> its no homophobia, its gays and chicks with dicks that i dont think need to be tolerated in society, but you knew that already
15:40 < ware> and if someone is interested in the topic they can watch the movie
15:41 < ware> not have the much under informed and inaccurate bystander misquote
15:41 < ware> and then be belittled
15:41 <@Corydon76-dig> Society could care less about sexual identity... they're really just prefer not to see ugly people
15:41 <@m0j0-j0j0> alcoholic douchebags with keyboards are okay
15:41 < ware> and hated on by a group of social rejects that like to fuck men in the ass
15:41 < ware> just not going to happen
15:41 <@polerin> of course.  My presence is intolerable, that's why I'm the one resulting to slurs and acting like a 5 year old
15:41 < ware> m0j0-j0j0: you would side with the faggots
15:42 < ware> dont bring to light issues you know i wont budge on if you dont want to hear them
15:42 <@Corydon76-dig> ware: Try that attitude in the military sometime... you'd be surprised how quickly you land in the brig
15:42 < ware> i try to be civil til you hate on me
15:42 <@m0j0-j0j0> ware: your stock stays so low that I wouldn't even call it a choice.
15:42 <@m0j0-j0j0> lolz
15:42 < ware> Corydon76-dig: Dont ask dont tell is the policy to prevent you getting your ass beat
15:42 <@polerin> you've got a really fucking weird definition of civil
15:42 <@polerin> dagmar kicks you and you start spewing homophobia?
15:42 <@Corydon76-dig> ware: the military is far more tolerant than that...
15:42 <@polerin> awesome
15:43 <@polerin> that's like kicking your neighbors dog when yours shit's on the rug
15:43 < ware> no corydon's comment was meant to piss me off, so i goto what pisses him off
15:43 <@m0j0-j0j0> I thought they repealed the Don't Ask Don't Tell policy
15:44 <@Corydon76-dig> ware: which comment, ware?
15:44 < ware> m0j0-j0j0: no one is talking to you dude
15:44 <@polerin> and I wasn't hating on you, I was saying the movie didn't interest me because it was a black helecoptor NWA fantasy
15:44 < ware> fuck you people lol
15:44 <@polerin> pht. whatever
15:44  * Dolemite bends ware over and makes him an honest woman
15:44 <@Corydon76-dig> NWA?
15:44 <@m0j0-j0j0> lolz
15:44 <@Corydon76-dig> or NWO?
15:44 < ware> ^nigger with attitude
15:44 <@m0j0-j0j0> wrestling association
15:45 <@polerin> aaand at that point I've had about enough of this.
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15:45 < ware> right, cause you can handle the acronym
15:45 -!- mode/#se2600 [+vvvv coil Dagmar eryc fall0ut] by polerin
15:45 < ware> doitup bitchtits, the +kb is next to that button
15:46 -!- mode/#se2600 [+m] by Corydon76-dig
15:46 -!- mode/#se2600 [+vvvv xGeek Vyrus001 Synx_hm sung] by Corydon76-dig
15:46 <@polerin> no, because I'm through with enabling homophobic, racist, sexist assholes like you free reign and I'm supposed to be the nice queer and take it
15:46 <@polerin> go back to skydog and cry some more.
15:46 <@m0j0-j0j0> is this the part that I can start comparing people to Hitler?
15:46 -!- mode/#se2600 [+vvvvr someninjamaster1 sariel remoford1 rattleXx] by Corydon76-dig
15:46 <+coil> r?
15:46 -!- mode/#se2600 [+vvvv dasunt fie Gatewayy Gregabyte_] by polerin
15:47 -!- mode/#se2600 [-ri] by Corydon76-dig
15:47 -!- mode/#se2600 [+vvvv kiawani_ Mercster miniMerc mubix] by Corydon76-dig
15:47 -!- mode/#se2600 [+m] by polerin
15:47 -!- mode/#se2600 [+vvvv rattleXXw poiupoiu jeebusroxors Gregabyte_] by Corydon76-dig
15:47 <@polerin> finish them up would you Corydon76-dig please?
15:48 <@Corydon76-dig> Done
15:48 <+coil> lets talk about weather!
15:48 <@Shadow404> www.snsweather.com
15:48 <+coil> not your weather
15:48 <@Shadow404> (shameless plug)
15:48 -!- polerin changed the topic of #se2600 to: +m artial law has been declared, cerfew is set to 3am
15:48 <@polerin> Shadow404: you're really digging on the weather station aren't you
15:48 <@Shadow404> fuck this martial person, who says hes alllowed to declare law?
15:48 <+coil> florida got like 10 inches of rain in the past week
15:49 <@Shadow404> polerin: aye
15:49 <+coil> while the rest of the states suffer
15:49 <@polerin> did you build it from scratch or is it a product?
15:49 <@brimstone> we're married now?
15:49 <@polerin> i've seen some arduino powered stuff
15:49 <@Shadow404> polerin: product
15:49  * polerin nods
15:50 <@polerin> prolly cheaper that way, but that's not the point
15:50  * polerin really has been wanting to fuck around with the arduino, but hasn't had time
15:53 <@polerin> aestetix: so before we got sidetracked with the conspiracy film, what was flipping you out about the news?
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15:54 <@aestetix> polerin: at first Obama was very much about transparency.
15:54 <@aestetix> And now things have closed up.
15:54 <@aestetix> I don't think it's fair to dismiss him as yet another lying politician.
15:55 <@aestetix> I suspect there is something really fucked up going on, and he has no idea how to handle it.
15:55 <@m0j0-j0j0> yet
15:55 <@polerin> the photos or what?
15:55 <@aestetix> That's part of it.
15:55  * polerin nods
15:55 <@Shadow404> photos?
15:55 <@aestetix> Releasing certain documents from the Bush administration as well.
15:55 <@aestetix> Has he made a statement about Pelosi yet?
15:56 <@Shadow404> of course he wont, cause thats how he got to be senator
15:56 <@aestetix> Shadow404: shut up.
15:56 <@polerin> I think that the majority of people still in power have been complict in torture, and he' trying to buy enough time for pople to get used to the idea that we fucked up, so we can move on with what's going to be a really nasty time in our history
15:56 <+coil> my mother is crossing into florida from georgia
15:56 <@polerin> or rather, that's what I"m hoping
15:56 <@Shadow404> aestetix: oh i see, how it is
15:56 <@polerin> I'm not sure what I THINK is going to happen
15:57 <@aestetix> I do think making Jesse Ventura defend Pelosi was fucking brilliant.
15:57 <@polerin> heh
15:57 <@Corydon76-dig> Could also be that with the release of the memos, he's going to need to suddenly replace an echelon of senior military officers, and he'd prefer to do that slowly
15:57 <@polerin> I don't think there's any defending her, which is why I agree with ventura about it
15:57 <@polerin> Prosocute them all.  From the bottom up
15:58 <@polerin> Corydon76-dig: that and politicians
15:58 <@aestetix> polerin: by defending her, he's saying the criticism against her sidesteps the real issue
15:58 <@polerin> aestetix: mm, I think that's not so much of a defense of her as saying "Yeah, and if she lied and knew about it prosocute her too.  So what.  this is a distraction from the real problem."
15:59 <@aestetix> Right.
15:59 <@aestetix> That's what I mean.
15:59  * polerin nods
15:59 <@rhia> GOP magical thinking - "If a dem knew about the torture-that-is-not-torture,  then its all the DEM's fault!"
15:59 <@aestetix> Especially with the news yesterday that there was more than waterboarding going on.
15:59 <@polerin> he's right.  You can't simultaniously say something is ok, then ask for a the speaker of the house to resign becaus she knew about it
15:59 <@polerin> aestetix: Oh?
16:00 <@aestetix> http://www.boingboing.net/2009/05/20/military-attorney-wa.html#comments
16:00 <@rhia> aestetix: don't think all those deaths were of old age
16:00 <@polerin> you talking about raping kids in front of their parents, etc?
16:00 <@aestetix> "Air Force Lieutenant Colonel Yvonne Bradley, the lawyer for Binyam Mohamed, said "They started this monthly treatment where they would come in with a scalpel or a razor type of instrument and they would slash his genitals, just with small cuts.""
16:00 <@polerin> aestetix: i'd heard about that before actually
16:01 <@rhia> can see the GOP response: "That's not torture! I was just at a website of people who pay for that treatment!"
16:01 <@aestetix> haha
16:02 <@polerin> lol
16:04 <@aestetix> I wonder if Obama got into office, did the Gitmo thing and whatnot, and then was approached by a mysterious man in a dark suit who told him stuff he had never imagined.
16:04 <@rhia> the Smoking Man!
16:04 <@aestetix> Obama has way too much integrity to flip-flop into a liar.
16:04 <@aestetix> But I can see him in the middle of a really fucked up situation trying to figure out what to do.
16:05 <@Dagmar> We need to find a way to make the republicans stop using trolling as their primary form of argumentation
16:05 <@Dagmar> It's insulting and unproductive.
16:05 <@aestetix> Dagmar: but it keeps things from happening.
16:05 <@aestetix> The last thing they want is a full investigation.
16:05 <@Dagmar> ...which is why it's unproductive.
16:05 <@m0j0-j0j0> Dagmar: it's insulting to wares skills
16:06 <@Shadow404> trolling is a skill?
16:06 <@aestetix> nigga
16:06 <@Shadow404> i thought it was a learned behavior
16:06 <@rhia> aestetix: "But, Obama, if we really go after the corruption and et al, there won't be but a handful of people left in DC!"
16:06 <@Shadow404> a negative behavior
16:06 <@aestetix> Possibly.
16:06 <@Dagmar> We'd have something akin to "balance" between the democrats and the republicans if the repulicans weren't burning their own reputation capital with all their little snipey comments to the press
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16:07 <@Dagmar> As it stands now, top repulicans are fleeing their party
16:07 <@sdodson> i heard there was a party up in here!
16:07 <@aestetix> Well, they started going after Cheney, and we got this "VP is not in the executive branch" stuff.
16:07 <@polerin> sdodson: nope, martial law.
16:07 <@sdodson> where da hoes at?
16:07 <@sdodson> polerin: why?
16:07 <@polerin> no gatherings more than n + 1 allowed
16:07 <@m0j0-j0j0> I'm glad we have republicans... it means that I don't have to be super liberal not to appear to be a tight ass
16:07 <@Shadow404> sdodson: yeah, we got a lan party going on at your mom's place
16:07 <@rhia> Cheney is just dangerously delusional
16:08 <@Shadow404> and were running proxy of your mom
16:08 <@sdodson> Shadow404: what's the lamest insult i've ever heard
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16:08 <@Corydon76-dig> What was odd was that in 2000, the Republicans chose to defeat Wayne Gilcrest in the MD primary, so a Democrat is now sitting in his seat.  Scorched earth policies weaken their party
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16:08 <@polerin> sdodson: I had enough of ware being a racist homophobic dickwad who throws tranny jokes every time I say something that is disagreeable in the slightest
16:08 <@Shadow404> sdodson: i dont know you tell me
16:08  * polerin shrugs
16:08 <@sdodson> polerin: i see
16:08 <@Corydon76-dig> Err, 2008, rather
16:09 <@m0j0-j0j0> no, you
16:09 <@Corydon76-dig> Same thing they were planning on doing in Pennsylvania in 2010
16:09 <@polerin> sdodson: I'm all for free speach, but this is also not a public square, the group doesn't have to put up with all manner of uncivil behavior.
16:09 <@Corydon76-dig> and then Specter outsmarted them
16:09 <@m0j0-j0j0> free peach
16:10 <@polerin> He can say what he wants in a venue that allows it, but I've no more patience for him then I would have for david duke.
16:10 <@sdodson> So this is all about ware?
16:10 <@sdodson> I was led to believe there was more fun. :(
16:11 <@polerin> not entirely, but it was sparked by it
16:11 <@polerin> oh were they complaining somewhere else?
16:11 <@m0j0-j0j0> sdodson: nope... same shit different day
16:11  * polerin shrugs
16:11 <@sdodson> m0j0-j0j0: shut your mouth apt kid
16:11 <@Corydon76-dig> sdodson: more like we had a healthy discussion going on, until ware felt insulted, so he pitched a bitchfit
16:11 <@sdodson> Corydon76-dig: oh, bummer
16:11 <@polerin> I expected it, probably calling me all kinds of dirty names
16:12 <@polerin> not that it's any different than the treatment I get when they are in here.  **shrugs**
16:12 <@sdodson> polerin: He's praying for forgiveness actually, apparently he feels really bad about the whole situation.
16:12 <@polerin> fuck if I care.
16:12 <@polerin> I'm not jeebus.
16:12 <@Corydon76-dig> sdodson: I doubt it, given:  [15:53:12] <ware> Corydon76-dig: youre an irrational, unfair, prick
16:13 <@sdodson> I wish I had time for this fun but i'm all at work and stuff
16:13 <@Corydon76-dig> Me too
16:13 <+fie> socks and cocks
16:13 <+coil> sdodson make red hat daddy happy
16:13 <@m0j0-j0j0> Scott Dodson at 8:47pm May 10Ya, too much effort since Fedora hates mono in general.
16:13 <@polerin> and the chance of this channel to have any kind of a sane discussion without someone totally derailing it is much higher with him gone.  I'm done being held hostage to his whim and state of intoxication.
16:13 <+sariel> lol
16:14 <@aestetix> rhia: Cheney isn't delusional. He knows exactly what he's doing.
16:14 <@aestetix> That's why I'm so scared of him.
16:14 <@Shadow404> meh, its comic relief at times
16:14 <@aestetix> Bush is delusional. He's a class act frat boy drinking buddy.
16:14 <@m0j0-j0j0> sudo apt-get install mono
16:14 <@Shadow404> as long as he doesnt attack a single indicvidual like this time or kick ban the whole channel
16:15 <@rhia> aestetix: granted he seems to know how to impart his delusion into the real world, but that does not make him less delusional, just more dangerous
16:15 <@Dagmar> Cheney's the freakin Penguin.
16:15 <@polerin> LOL
16:15 <@Dagmar> That pretty much sums it up.
16:15 <@polerin> Dagmar: you just made my day.  I'm going to have to photochop that sometime soon
16:16 <@Dagmar> He's evil, he's up to no good, and only pain comes to those who would underestimate him based on his penguin-like appearance.
16:16 <@rhia> hehehe
16:16 <@aestetix> This sounds like an episode of Darkwing Duck
16:16 <@rhia> polerin: see if you can find a pic of him in a tux <g>
16:17 <@sdodson> m0j0-j0j0: uh-oh what's that noise?!?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
16:17 <@Dagmar> ...then you'd just need to photoshop in a monacle, cane, and top hat
16:18 <@polerin> aestetix: heh
16:18 <@polerin> aestetix: I think we're not going to see a bunch of this crap for decades
16:18 <@aestetix> polerin: yep
16:18 <@aestetix> Obama is really fucking smart. And he's balking at what to do.
16:19  * polerin nods
16:19 <@polerin> the US has fucked up, and we are ballanced on a really nasty choice
16:19 <@polerin> either we cover all this up
16:19 <@aestetix> I actually think it probably extends past the US at this point.
16:19 <@polerin> or we see how deep the rabbit hole goes
16:20 <@polerin> mmmph, yes and no, There are plenty of governments that use some pretty harsh methods
16:20 <@Dagmar> I think for the good of the country we need to do the latter.
16:20 <@polerin> as the article you linked demonstrates
16:20 <@polerin> Dagmar: I wholeheartedly agree
16:20 <@Dagmar> What Bush did in those last six years was probably the worst things to have been done to this country in decades
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16:21 <@polerin> but it's going to mean a dramatic lessening of US power in the world at a time when china is rising
16:21 <@Dagmar> Until we've gone back and sorted out all the things he did which were clearly contrary to what the constitution and the founding fathers intended, our ability to go forwward as a nation that respects freedom is going to be severly hampered.
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16:22 <@polerin> yep.
16:22 <@polerin> and the whole world already knows
16:22 <@Dagmar> Embarrassing or not it would be far worse to let it go uninvestigated than it would be to embarass a bunch of politicians
16:22 <@polerin> this shit is either going to get purged and dealt with
16:22 <@polerin> or we are going to have a festering wound that keeps generating people who hate us
16:23 <@Dagmar> people who _live here_ who hate "us"
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16:25 <@polerin> around the world who hate us
16:25 <@polerin> here included
16:25 <@polerin> and I'm not just talking about people who would bomb us or whatever
16:26 <@polerin> i'm talking about people who control buisness contracts, who can make trade nearly impossible
16:26 <@aestetix> polerin: which is scarier than the "If we don't bail out this company, it will destroy the economy" logic
16:27 <@sdodson> Corydon76-dig: hey, is there an asterisk appliance that supports video conferencing out of the box for someone who doesn't want to learn anything?
16:27 <@sdodson> using sip or whatever
16:28  * polerin nods
16:32 <@Corydon76-dig> Video conferencing isn't really support ATM
16:32 <@sdodson> WHAT?!
16:36 <@m0j0-j0j0> out
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16:36 <@aestetix> I wonder
16:36 <@aestetix> Does wontonjoe finally have a steady job?
16:42 <@Corydon76-dig> sdodson: It's actually something on the roadmap
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16:43 <@Corydon76-dig> sdodson: the tricky part really is transcoding, though
16:43 <@Corydon76-dig> If every conferencing user was on the same codec and video params, we could do video much easier
16:44 <@Corydon76-dig> but the CPU necessary to do video transcoding of multiple streams is a problem
16:44 <@Corydon76-dig> not to mention video patents in the various standards
16:45 <@Corydon76-dig> sdodson: now if you just want to do videophone to videophone (only 2 parties), that's already supported
16:46 <@Corydon76-dig> since all you're really doing in that scenario is to relay packets
16:46 <@sdodson> Corydon76-dig: I want to do multiple ekiga clients to asterisk or something to conference them
16:46 <@Corydon76-dig> Yeah, where N>2, it's not supported
16:47 <@Corydon76-dig> Love to do it, though
16:47 <@Corydon76-dig> We're all interested, but the CPU and patent barriers are the problem
16:49 <@sdodson> Even if there's just one person providing video feed at a given time?
17:09 <@Corydon76-dig> sdodson: right, because video frames are independently coded
17:09 <@Corydon76-dig> err, aren't
17:09 <@Corydon76-dig> Most video is encoded as a full frame every N frames, and diffs to that frame in-between
17:10 <@Corydon76-dig> but N varies, based upon whether it's more efficient to send another full frame or diffs to the last one
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17:32 <@sdodson> right, key frames
17:32 <@sdodson> Corydon76-dig: thanks
17:36 <@Corydon76-dig> sdodson: I don't know whether video frames are encoded against the last key frame or as diffs to the last diff
17:36 <@Corydon76-dig> probably against the last key frame, so it'll deal with lost frames
17:37 <+coil> Shadow404
17:37 <@Corydon76-dig> If that's the case, then the only thing needed would be to cache full frames from each participant, so it could be sent if/when that participant becomes the next speaker
17:38 <@Corydon76-dig> but that's beyond my knowledge other than purely theoretical at this point
17:39 <@Corydon76-dig> probably also an algorithm to prevent the problem when two people try to speak at once
17:39 <@Corydon76-dig> like maximum one speaker switch every 2 seconds
17:40 <+coil> Shadow404 dedi box at internap could you hook up
17:40 <@sdodson> Shadow404: leet snsweather.com hostname, can you hook up?
17:52 <@Corydon76-dig> http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_B7_nuQmSNoI/SeiQsYL-RdI/AAAAAAAACqM/idtYq2sA4nU/s1600-h/honk.bmp SFW
18:37 <@Evilpig> can anyone tell me how this place just blows the fuck up from time to time when I walk off and take a nap?
18:41 <+miniMerc> dumb
19:14 <@Evilpig> WebCam Live! Pro  No Development Planned    <-- vista drivers for my webcam.  so I can assume there will be no windows 7 drivers either
19:17 <+coil> http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/dpp/news/fox_5_links/Top_50_Text_Acronyms_Parents_Should_Know_052009 i call bullshit on lot of these
19:24 <@Evilpig> 44 is completely wrong
19:55 <@tzanger> haha
19:56 <@tzanger> why because they used o instead of 0?
20:01 <@Dagmar> It's all about tittilating adults with "secret knowledge" about what their children are "really" doing.
20:01 <@Dagmar> Like hte new fad of anus sex
20:02 <@tzanger> but pr0n's real
20:02 <@tzanger> new fad?
20:02 <+miniMerc> i have a hard time believing they gave swat over and actually thought it would work out for everyone
20:02 <+miniMerc> whoops
20:02 <@Dagmar> Yes, it'll probably be the next thing to hit the news, that teens are avoiding worrying about birth control by simply having anal sex
20:02 <@Dagmar> ...that young blonde cheerleaders are being indoctrinated into anal sex as a way of maintaining their "purity"
20:03 <+miniMerc> Dagmar: do you ever get tired of being so prescient
20:03 <@Dagmar> It's complete bullshit, but all it's going to take is one Enquirer-thin insinuation and it'll be headling fucking news
20:03 <@Dagmar> ...just like that "Teen Pregnancy Club" bullshit
20:04 <@Dagmar> Remember how that turned out to be entirely made up?
20:04 <@Dagmar> ...and mainly made up by the media, who were more than willing to fill in the sordid and tittilating details since the initial three-minute pack of lies wasn't tittilating enough by itself
20:11 <@rhia> the media ..... true journalism is being pushed out for mainstreaming the Enquirer -- sigh
20:42 <+eryc> maybe where you live
20:46 <@rhia> Earth? yeah
20:48 <+eryc> thats obnoxious
20:49 <+eryc> between google reader, twitter, and the local news i'd say journalism gets better every day.
20:50 <+eryc> also nyt and wp at my starbucks are usually worthwhile
20:51 <+eryc> caveat emptor
20:51 <+miniMerc> i mainly use google news
20:51 <@sdodson> emtpy cavities?
20:51 <+miniMerc> and i watch the PBS news hour every night
20:52 <@sdodson> miniMerc: you communist
20:52 <@rhia> drowned by cable, BS "info blogs (which just regurgitate), online "news" (which is not) &  newspapers dying,
20:52 <+miniMerc> nah PBS news is actually quite decent
20:52 <+miniMerc> and thats coming from a fascist
20:52 <@rhia> i stand by my earlier comment
20:52 <+miniMerc> so srsly, its pretty good
20:52 <@sdodson> rhia is just anti mainstream
20:52 <+miniMerc> sdodson: welcome to nerd city
20:53 <@rhia> true journalism is BEING PUSHED OUT
20:53 <+miniMerc> i dont read blogs, myself
20:53 <@sdodson> miniMerc: We built this city on rofl and lol
20:53 <+eryc> none of the newspapers dying were worthwhile to begin with
20:53 <@rhia> didn't say it didn't still exist
20:53 <+miniMerc> if you read blogs, you deserve what you get
20:53 <+miniMerc> when it comes to "online news", i generally aim for reuters and AP articles
20:53 <@sdodson> http://matt-that.com BEST BLOG EVER!
20:53 <@rhia> sdodson: if you think snuggling with ware & merc somehow makes you cool ....   just ... sigh
20:54 <+miniMerc> siiiiigggghhhhh
20:54 <+miniMerc> pfft
20:54 <@sdodson> rhia: Yup, that's what i'm doing, are you spying on me?
20:54 <+miniMerc> who reads blogs anyway, to complain about blogs you'd have to read them
20:54 <+miniMerc> blogs arent even on my radar
20:54  * rhia walks away - the dregs can have the channel tonight
20:54 <@rhia> g'nite
20:54 <+miniMerc> fuck you
20:54 <+miniMerc> snarky bitch
20:54 <+eryc> true journalism is thriving
20:54 <@sdodson> That's a really bitchy thing to say.
20:55 <+eryc> traditional journalism channels are evolving
20:55 <+eryc> the masses will always have their stupidity
20:55 <@sdodson> ACtually, I'm too dumb to know what that word means, but I assume it's some elitest shit.
20:55 <+miniMerc> eryc: the key is being able to filter using your brain
20:55 <+eryc> right, its up to you to be selective
20:56 <+miniMerc> yup
20:56 <+eryc> as it was in the beginning of journalism
20:56 <+miniMerc> some find this difficult
20:56 <+eryc> and as it will always be
20:56 <+miniMerc> if you think you've found something entirely non-partisan, you made a mistake somewhere
20:56 <+eryc> before the common "newspaper" there were thousands of pamphlets that one had to filter and discern
20:56 <+eryc> for example, thomas paine's common sense
20:57 <+eryc> you could call this a journalistic renassaince
20:57 <+eryc> (sp_
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20:57 <@sdodson> Alright, 3 beers, too much to go to the gym on?
20:57 <@Dagmar> Right, so apparently some people here haven't yet learned that to champion mediocrity is to invite derision.
20:58 <+miniMerc> sdodson: nah you now have super retard strength
20:58 <@sdodson> wow, netflix now has a distribution center in raleigh rather than having to deal with the distribution center that was located a whole 100 miles away.
20:59 <@Dagmar> hehe
20:59 <+miniMerc> Dagmar: i think you meant to say "dont deviate from the groupthink"
20:59 <@Catonic> baaaa
20:59 <@sdodson> Catonic: moar 45 degree hills?
20:59 <@Dagmar> Sooon you'll set up your next rental on their site and the dialog will say "Open your western bay window".  You'll do it and a DVD will just be flung into your house from down the street
21:00 <@Catonic> sdodson: no, notatall
21:00 <+eryc> by a blimpduino
21:00 <@Dagmar> miniMerc: I'm very fucking sure of what I meant to say and what I said.
21:00 <+eryc> http://diydrones.com/profiles/blog/show?id=705844:BlogPost:44817
21:00 <+eryc> BlimpDuino is a very low cost open source autonomous blimp. It consists of an Arduino-based blimp controller board with on-board infrared and ultrasonic sensors and an interface for an optional RC mode, a simple gondola with two vectoring (tilting) differential thrusters, and ground-based infrared beacon
21:00 <+miniMerc> Dagmar: let me put it another way, what you really said is "dont deviate from the groupthink"
21:01 <+eryc> The target price for everything you need for an autonomous blimp (aside from helium) is $100.
21:01 <+miniMerc> you just couched it in language that sounded inherently superior
21:01 <@Dagmar> miniMerc: Let me counter with "leave the thinking to people with brains"
21:01 <@sdodson> http://ghewgill.livejournal.com/129929.html  for arduino geeks
21:01 <+miniMerc> Dagmar: nice ad hominem, doesnt help your case
21:01 <+miniMerc> "yer dumb" isnt really an argument
21:02 <+miniMerc> it's a refuge of the weak
21:02 <@Dagmar> To put forth the argument that journalism never had any integrity because long ago there were some yellow rags out there is just jackassery
21:02 <@Dagmar> To act as if a lack of journalistic ethics is a normal and acceptable thing, is jackassery in the extreme
21:02 <@rhia> miniMerc: no, according to your grasp of interpretation,  what he really said was much closer to "don't succumb to being a bottom feeder just because it's the easiest route"
21:02  * rhia out
21:02 <+miniMerc> well i would agree that there is journalistic integrity in some circles, but even a relatively fair example will always have room for interpretation and weighted opinion
21:03 <@Catonic> Dagmar: It isn't? Why do I get my news from comedians?
21:03 <+miniMerc> rhia: ya, its sooooo easy for me to have my opinions here, or ware :)
21:03 <+eryc> you can't make lack of integrity illegal
21:03 <+miniMerc> rhia: seems anytime i voice my opinion, im attacked. how is that easy?
21:03 <@Dagmar> If you wanna campaign in favor of mediocrity, you can do that because you're in the US, but everyone around should be giving you shit about it
21:03 <+miniMerc> all of a sudden people are the "dregs" because they dont agree with YOU
21:03 <+miniMerc> thats groupthink
21:03 <+miniMerc> have a good night
21:03 <@Dagmar> No, it's not.
21:04 <+eryc> you can't make lack of integrity illegal
21:04 <@Catonic> I'm a dreg because of my actions
21:04 <+miniMerc> eryc: if it was, jon stewart would be in a gulag
21:04 <@Catonic> or lack thereof
21:04 <+miniMerc> being waterboarded
21:04 <@sdodson> You can make gross negligence illegal
21:04 <+miniMerc> something i support 100%
21:04 <@Dagmar> Otherwise there's entire colleges full of people so deeply absorbed in "groupthink" that they'll never escape because they believe that two plus two equals four.
21:05 <+miniMerc> Dagmar: ya if you havent noticed, some have been pointing that out in our higher education for decades
21:05 <@sdodson> Wait, what?
21:05 <+miniMerc> universities are some of the worst hotbeds of groupthink
21:05 <@Dagmar> miniMerc: No one's made a decent go at proving otherwise
21:05 <+miniMerc> "if you dont think X, you're uncool, and no debate is needed"
21:05 <@Dagmar> It would be one thing if it were a merely "faith-based" argument, but it's not.
21:06 <+miniMerc> the silencing of dissent
21:06 <@Dagmar> ...so claiming it's a sign of groupthink, just (again) makes you look like an ass.
21:06 <+miniMerc> because "whoaaa everyone thinks X and Y"
21:06 <+miniMerc> thats groupthink
21:06 <@sdodson> why isn't two plus two four?
21:06 <@Dagmar> How far does your mind have to be open before your brain falls out
21:07 <+miniMerc> sdodson: in some vectors of four dimensional spacetime, 2 and 2 are not 4
21:08 <+miniMerc> for instance, in a 4 dimensional space, the degrees of a right angle do not equal 90degrees
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21:09 <+miniMerc> right triangle, rather
21:09 <+eryc> you can't make lack of integrity illegal!
21:11 <@Dagmar> You can actually pop people's press credentials
21:11 <+eryc> uh
21:11 <+eryc> there is no such thing
21:12 <@Dagmar> ...and most of the things that stem from a lack of integrity in journalism tend to run torwards the "legally actionable", like fraud, libel, tortuous infringment, incitement to riot, and various hoax charges
21:12 <+miniMerc> Dagmar: or, according to you, deviating from groupthink
21:12 <@Dagmar> Dimwit./
21:13 <+miniMerc> if you "dont have a brain" (sic) your opinions lack integrity
21:13 <@Dagmar> Hey jackass, don't try to put your words into my mouth.  It's lame.
21:14 <+miniMerc> <@Dagmar> miniMerc: Let me counter with "leave the thinking to people with brains"
21:14 <@Dagmar> One person being wrong doesn't mean everyone else is a mindless zombie.
21:14 <@Dagmar> It just means they're fucking wrong
21:14 <+eryc> and we should execute them
21:14 <@Dagmar> If you can't tell the difference, then the drugs and anus sex has possibly destroyed your mind.
21:15 <+eryc> my speakers stopped working! this is bullshit
21:15 <@Dagmar> Damn that's kinda sucky man
21:15 <+miniMerc> Dagmar: if this channel didnt kickban / devoice people who had opinions counter to the groupthink, you might have a leg to stand on, there
21:15 <+miniMerc> but it does, so you dont
21:15 <+eryc> hey merc, stfu
21:15 <+miniMerc> eryc: no
21:15 <@Dagmar> miniMerc: We kickban and devoice people who work hard to lower the standard by which "idiocy" and "jackassery" are delineated.
21:16 <+miniMerc> Dagmar: more ad hominem doesnt help you
21:16 <+eryc> ok merc, lets talk about something interesting
21:16 <+miniMerc> alright
21:16 <+miniMerc> why did your speakers die
21:16 <+eryc> i dunno they wont power up
21:16 <+eryc> i havent used them in a week
21:16 <+miniMerc> maybe the PS is dead
21:17 <+eryc> they suck anyway
21:17 <+eryc> you can have them
21:17 <@Dagmar> miniMerc: If you think that last statement was a dig at you, you need to get over yourself.
21:17 <@Dagmar> If you were doing that shit, you'd already be gone.
21:17 <+miniMerc> if my speakers died id crawl up into a fetal ball and weep
21:17 <@Dagmar> expensive?
21:17 <+eryc> nah
21:18 <@m0j0-j0j0> mine should die
21:18 <+miniMerc> no, i just dont have another set
21:18 <+miniMerc> and im poor
21:18 <@m0j0-j0j0> they're like 10 years old
21:18 <+eryc> they're not even true 5.1
21:18 <+miniMerc> i have a standard logitech 2.1 setup
21:18 <+eryc> and no optical input
21:18 <+miniMerc> they're good enough for me
21:18 <+miniMerc> about $60 iirc
21:18 <+eryc> the speakers themselves take standard 2wire inputs so theyre reusable
21:19 <+miniMerc> eryc: ahh, nice
21:19 <+eryc> now my living room speakers
21:19 <+eryc> those puppies i would consider weeping for
21:19 <@Dagmar> Well, the sad thing is that if there's five of them and one subwoofer, they're as "5.1" as "5.1" gets
21:19 <@m0j0-j0j0> yeah my tv room is a different situation than my computer
21:19 <+eryc> right, but they require your sound card to have 6 outputs
21:19 <+eryc> which is what im getting at
21:20 <@m0j0-j0j0> I guess if you don't play games 2.1 is good
21:20 <@m0j0-j0j0> but for movies 5.1 or better is required
21:20 <@Dagmar> I've never seen anything to indicate that there's some greater standard defining just exaxctly what those cute little numbers mean other than the last being how many woofers, adnt he first number being "all the other speakers"
21:20 <+miniMerc> m0j0-j0j0: ive never played a game that required more than left/right positional sound. course, i dont play lots of games...when i FPS its standard deathmatch
21:20 <+miniMerc> aka nexuiz
21:20 <+eryc> its much easier to get signal to 6 speakers with an optical cable
21:21 <@Dagmar> I dunno about that
21:21 <+eryc> and have a thx processor in the sub
21:21 <@Dagmar> Those optical cables are kinda shit
21:21 <@Dagmar> (I'll explain that in a bit -- something pressing)
21:21 <+eryc> in my experience fiber and copper have no perceivable difference
21:22 <+eryc> although i havent compared the copper provided with standard computer speakers
21:22 <@m0j0-j0j0> fiber is cooler
21:22 <+eryc> indeed
21:22 <@m0j0-j0j0> other than that.. I don't listen that close
21:22 <+eryc> i went back and forth comparing the two in my living room years ago
21:23 <+eryc> i couldnt tell a difference but i stuck with fiber anyway
21:23 <@m0j0-j0j0> of course I didnt think that VHS sucked all that bad until I tried to watch it after years of dvd
21:23 <+eryc> of course you could argue that the receiver wasnt as capable
21:24 <+eryc> or that the source wasnt high quality
21:24 <+eryc> but either way it didnt seem to matter
21:24 <+eryc> bits are bits
21:25 <@m0j0-j0j0> when I thought I was going to be a sound engineer I'm sure I would have cared
21:25 <@sdodson> eryc: Most 5.1 stuff feeds a digital signal to a processor that splits it out to the 6 channels.
21:25 <+eryc> yea i know
21:26 <+eryc> which is what i expected when i purchased this set of "5.1" speakers
21:26 <+eryc> and now i know better
21:26 <+eryc> or then i did
21:26 <@sdodson> The More You Know (tm)
21:27 <+eryc> it was never a big deal because i only used them as 2.1
21:27 <+miniMerc> hmm now i feel like listening to music
21:27 <+eryc> but now im glad they died so i can buy something with optical in
21:27 <+eryc> and get a nice usb optical out
21:27 <+miniMerc> muzack
21:30 <@sdodson> usb optical out?
21:30 <+eryc> external sound card
21:31 <+eryc> i mainly use my laptop at home
21:31 <+miniMerc> tomorrow im going to a buffalo wing joint that has wifi
21:31 <+miniMerc> itll be my first excursion out in the wild with my mini
21:31 <+miniMerc> im excited
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21:32 < Tefad> derp?
21:33 <+eryc> derp!
21:33 <+miniMerc> pred
21:34 <@m0j0-j0j0> diap
21:34  * Tefad stabs fie in the face
21:35 <+miniMerc> appropriate
21:35 < Tefad> yup yup.
21:35  * fie has been stabbed
21:35  * fie is bleeding out of his eye socket
21:35 <+miniMerc> fie has been stabbed -more-
21:35 <@m0j0-j0j0> again
21:36 <+coil> sup fie
21:36 <+coil> stabby stabby stabby
21:36 <+fie> looking at pictures of chix
21:36 <+miniMerc> sweet
21:36 <+eryc> chix man
21:37 <+miniMerc> ohh
21:37 <+miniMerc> do ya
21:37 <+miniMerc> know my name
21:37 <+miniMerc> do i
21:37 <+miniMerc> look the same
21:38  * eryc stabs miniMerc 
21:38 <+miniMerc> :(
21:38 <@m0j0-j0j0> what is the typical career path for someone who ends up designing commercial sex toys?
21:39 <+miniMerc> before or after the sex toy design job
21:39 <@m0j0-j0j0> before
21:39 <+miniMerc> whore
21:39 <@m0j0-j0j0> what degree covers that?
21:40 <+eryc> oral communications
21:40 <+miniMerc> doctorate in whoredom
21:40 <@m0j0-j0j0> miniMerc: no, the engineering side
21:40 <+miniMerc> i dunno, maybe something medical
21:40 <+miniMerc> obgyn
21:41 <@sdodson> I'd imagine chemists or mechanical engineering.
21:41 <+miniMerc> obgyn with a minor in chemical engineering
21:42 <+fie> I love whores
21:42 <+miniMerc> who doesnt
21:43 <@sdodson> miniMerc: whores
21:43 <@m0j0-j0j0> standards
21:44 <@m0j0-j0j0> from what I've seen, the whores that generally end up at our events lack quality
21:44 <@m0j0-j0j0> except the quality of being strung out
21:44 <+miniMerc> what events, nerd stuff?
21:44 <+miniMerc> you have to factor in the type of event
21:44 <@Dagmar> Anyway, back to the optical cables thing
21:45 <@Dagmar> It's kind of a cockup
21:45 <+miniMerc> i wouldnt expect whores at a nerd con to be of very high quality
21:45 <@Dagmar> The optical cables only have enough bandwidth to carry _two_ channels of audio
21:45 <@Dagmar> Everything above that requires Dolby's patented compression algorithms, which are _lossy_
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21:46 <+miniMerc> im two cigarettes away from attempting to quit smoking
21:46 <@Dagmar> About the only benefit those cables have is that since they're optically isolated, they can't participate in ground loops or pick up interference from other sources.
21:46 <@m0j0-j0j0> miniMerc: good luck
21:46 <+miniMerc> thx
21:46 <+eryc> interesting
21:47 <+eryc> they do put a lot of shielding on the copper ones tho
21:47 <@Dagmar> eryc: I went through a LOT of crap just trying to get 5.1 out of my MythTV unit into an amp that does 5.1
21:47 <@Dagmar> I wound up having to just run multiple cables, because of the aforementioned patent issue
21:48 <@Dagmar> ...that and violating the patents using ALSA was going to add another 50ms or so latency I didn't care for
21:49 <@sdodson> Dagmar: can't you tweak mythtv to compensate for that?
21:50 <+miniMerc> when i ran mythtv i remember recording at a very low quality
21:51 <+miniMerc> to preserve diskspace
21:51 <@Dagmar> sdodson: I can but I really didn't feel like digging through for those settings because as bad as the "normal" organization of MythTV's settings menus are, the place where I'd have to set that is brutally more hackish
21:52 <@m0j0-j0j0> maybe thats configurable
21:52 <@sdodson> i quit mythtv
21:52 <@sdodson> well that and i don't have cable so there's nothing for me to record
21:52 <@Dagmar> ...like to the degree that it would have been simpler to read the man page for mplayer and tell *it* to compensate for the latency
21:52 <+miniMerc> sdodson: luddite
21:52 <@sdodson> miniMerc: whatever, hdtv bitch
21:52 <@sdodson> hdtv without cable
21:52 <@Dagmar> Generally it's assumed the video and audio will follow reasonably parallel paths out
21:53 <+miniMerc> sdodson: actually with no cable mythtv is even better, since it can record the scant shit that you actually wann a watch
21:53 <+miniMerc> wanna
21:53 <+miniMerc> sdodson: there's not much on, but mythtv can compile it all for you to watch in the evenings
21:54 <+miniMerc> if you have cable/satellite DVR is less of an issue, since you have so many channels there's usually something on anyway (unless you're a fanboy who needs to see every episode of a certain show. for instance)
21:54 <+miniMerc> i realize people follow some shows, im just not that way
21:54 <@m0j0-j0j0> miniMerc: newsgroups
21:54 <+miniMerc> m0j0-j0j0: that works too
21:55 <+miniMerc> if you're willing to pay for a commercial news server
21:55 <+miniMerc> which, i am
21:55 <@m0j0-j0j0> so worth the money
21:55 <+miniMerc> yea
21:55 <@Dagmar> Actually Hulu tends to do a pretty good job of putting all the episodes of something up for most things when they first add them
21:55 <+miniMerc> depends i guess
21:55 <+miniMerc> but i enjoy it
21:56 <@m0j0-j0j0> if cable was as much of a value as newsgroups I would have it instead
21:56 <+miniMerc> i use netnews mostly for music and games
21:56 <@sdodson> you guys are thieves
21:56 <@Dagmar> I still won't be a bit suprised if the Sarah Conner Chronicles goes to purely online viewership somehow after Fox cancelled it
21:56 <+miniMerc> that i dont wanna struggle finding a torrent dor
21:56 <+miniMerc> for
21:56 <@m0j0-j0j0> sdodson: you sure?
21:57 <@m0j0-j0j0> sdodson: PD shows
21:57 <+miniMerc> most of the stuff i download from netnews is stuff i paid for anyway, in the past
21:57 <@m0j0-j0j0> user submitted content
21:57 <+miniMerc> old albums that i used to have the CD/tape of
21:57 <+miniMerc> old games
21:58 <+miniMerc> i doubt getting might and magic 8 from netnews is hurting anyone
21:58 <@m0j0-j0j0> mostly I just do tv shows
21:58 <@sdodson> m0j0-j0j0: PD?
21:59 <+miniMerc> public domain
21:59 <+miniMerc> he's bullshitting btw
21:59 <+miniMerc> ;-)
21:59 <@sdodson> On news groups? You expect me to believe that shit?
21:59 <+miniMerc> hahaha
21:59 <+miniMerc> sdodson: he tried
21:59 <@m0j0-j0j0> they have them.. i dont know who downloads them.. but they are there
22:00 <+miniMerc> heh
22:02  * miniMerc lights 2nd to last cigarette
22:04 <@m0j0-j0j0> seriously. I dont watch that much american tele so it would be pointless for me to pay for cable anyway
22:04 <+miniMerc> i watch a lot of history international, science channel, turner classic movies
22:04 <+miniMerc> mostly old movies, documentaries, and PBS news
22:05 <+miniMerc> sometimes encore
22:05 <+miniMerc> aka poor man's hbo
22:05 <@m0j0-j0j0> gangs of oz
22:05 <@m0j0-j0j0> keith lemon's world tour
22:06 <@m0j0-j0j0> anything with Allen Carr
22:06 <+miniMerc> i have no idea what you just said
22:07 <@m0j0-j0j0> BigBrother UK from iTV4
22:07 <@m0j0-j0j0> Divena McCall is awesome
22:07 <+miniMerc> i watched US big brother the first couple years it was on
22:07 <+miniMerc> i think mainly, cuz i was living with a female
22:07 <+miniMerc> she dragged me into the drama
22:07 <@Dagmar> BBC America apparently just put all of Primeval up for wachin'
22:08 <+miniMerc> BBC-A cracks me up
22:08 <+miniMerc> i dont watch it at all
22:08 <+miniMerc> but on the TV guide i see shit that gets me lol'ing
22:08 <+miniMerc> "My Breasts Are Huge"
22:08 <@m0j0-j0j0> Chris Moials is awesome
22:09 <+miniMerc> "Boys Who Want To Be Boys"
22:09 <+miniMerc> they have all this ridiculous shit on
22:09 <+miniMerc> er boys who want to be girls
22:09 <+miniMerc> makes me wonder what britain thinks americans want to watch
22:09 <@m0j0-j0j0> "Me and My Penis (and everyone elses)
22:09 <@m0j0-j0j0> '
22:09 <+miniMerc> yeah
22:09 <+miniMerc> all kinds of scandalous shit
22:09 <+miniMerc> "I Weigh 800 Pounds"
22:10 <+miniMerc> not my idea of entertainment
22:10 <@Dagmar> They're pretty sure Americans want to watch Torchwood
22:10 <@Dagmar> ...cuz that show gets pretty good ratings
22:10 <@m0j0-j0j0> "tracy aulman's state of the union" iss a good way to see how people from the UK really think we are
22:11 <+miniMerc> eh, fuck brits
22:11 <+miniMerc> any country that allows curry to be the national dish is obviously fucked up somewhere
22:12 < Tefad> curry is tasty : (
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22:14 <@Catonic> anyone been to NOLA?
22:15 <+miniMerc> baby, you've been had...
22:15 <+miniMerc> Catonic: National Organization for the Liberation of Anuses?
22:16 <@m0j0-j0j0> Northamericcan Oysster Lovers Association
22:17 <@Evilpig> i've been to nola the town and the restaurant
22:18 <@Catonic> the town
22:18 <@Catonic> Evilpig: what besides a muffaletta is there that's "must see"
22:19 <+miniMerc> prolly the anuses
22:19 <+miniMerc> im just sayin'
22:19 <@Evilpig> give me a sec. fighting
22:19 <@m0j0-j0j0> the Oysters
22:20 <@m0j0-j0j0> they're a cover band
22:20 <+miniMerc> who do they cover
22:20 <@m0j0-j0j0> BOC
22:20 <+miniMerc> hah
22:21 <+miniMerc> dont fear the reaper
22:22 <@m0j0-j0j0> don't fear the peepers
22:22 <@m0j0-j0j0> miniMerc: they aren't that goos
22:22 <@m0j0-j0j0> good eveen
22:22 <+miniMerc> dont fear the weiners
22:22 <@m0j0-j0j0> even even
22:22 <+miniMerc> m0j0-j0j0: LEARN TO TYPE
22:22 <@Evilpig> cafe du monde, of course
22:22 <@Evilpig> there was this great bar we went to but I can't remember the name of it.
22:23 <@Evilpig> oh yeah!  coops place
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22:23 <@m0j0-j0j0> *yawn*
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22:24 <@Evilpig> wait for cafe du monde til it is like midnight and you are shit faced.  it tastes better.  make sure to get a prailene(sp?) too
22:25 <+miniMerc> sounds like waffle house
22:25 <+miniMerc> (fuck IHOP)
22:26 <@Evilpig> there was a decent jazz bar on bourbon street
22:26 < Tefad> mmm ihop.. delicious delicious pancakes
22:26 <@kiawani> lol << never been to ihop
22:26 <+miniMerc> Tefad: you like curry, WHATYA YOU KNOW!
22:27 < Tefad> only thai curry
22:27 <+miniMerc> kiawani: its like waffle house but much worse
22:27 < Tefad> red or yellow sans onions
22:27 < Tefad> waffle house is worse than ihop
22:27 < Tefad> at least here
22:27 <@kiawani> lol never been to waffle house
22:27 < Tefad> waffle house is "would you like some food with your grease?"
22:27 <@Evilpig> awful waffle
22:27 <+miniMerc> Tefad: i reject any ethnic food comprised primarily of goop
22:27 <+miniMerc> mmmm grease
22:27 < Tefad> you're such a hypocrit..
22:27 <+miniMerc> nash
22:27 <+miniMerc> nah
22:28 < Tefad> "mmmm grease"
22:28 < Tefad> mmmm goop.
22:28 <+miniMerc> yeah but swimming in my grease is some form of whole food
22:28 <+miniMerc> i dont do colorful piles of goo
22:28 < Tefad> yellow curry isn't that colorful
22:28 <+miniMerc> ya well its still goop
22:28 <@Evilpig> so you dont' like cheesecake?
22:29 < Tefad> grits? goop.
22:29 <+miniMerc> yea grits are a goop, ill give you that
22:29 < Tefad> i like omelets from WH or IHOP
22:29 < Tefad> though the WH ones are crazy greasy.
22:29 < Tefad> salsa and hot sauce.. wooo
22:31 < Tefad> i prefer oatmeal to grits though
22:31  * Tefad shrugs
22:32 <+miniMerc> but i would argue that grits are a type of gruel, which almost every country has. it has a specific place in the cuisine.  most american foods are still whole...whether its a piece of meat, a potato (even mashed, its a disparate side-dish), a fruit... indian and middle eastern foods seem incapable of eating a whole food, preferring instead to mash up everything they can find into a goopy mess and dip flatbread into it
22:33 <+miniMerc> which i am against
22:33 <+miniMerc> Tefad: i consider oatmeal as mainly a sweet dish, and grits to be savory
22:33 < Tefad> tejanos food is totally american and totally mixed up.
22:33 < Tefad> what about SOUP
22:33 < Tefad> goop.
22:33 < Tefad> stew
22:33 < Tefad> chowder
22:33 < Tefad> goop goop.
22:33 <@rhia>   Cafe Monde is to Waffle House as fresh grilled steak is to leftover fastfood
22:33 <+miniMerc> sweet stuff like syrup, sugar, fruit goes into oatmeal...savory things like salt and butter go into grits
22:34 <+miniMerc> rhia: dont be such a hippy
22:34 <+miniMerc> Tefad: even soup in western cultures is chunks of stuff swimming in a substrate
22:34 <@rhia> miniMerc: vr been to NOLA and Caf Monde?
22:34 <+miniMerc> Tefad: its not as if its all ground up into a goop and used as a dip for flatbread
22:34  * rhia hates on her 'e' key
22:34 <@rhia> miniMerc: ever been to NOLA and Cafe Monde?
22:34 <+miniMerc> which seems to permeate some food cultures
22:35 <+miniMerc> rhia: shhh
22:35 < Tefad> dip.. flatbread? what?
22:35 <@rhia>  (better)
22:35 < Tefad> who said anything about dip and flatbread
22:35 <@rhia> i take that as a 'No" - so, shush yerself
22:35 < Tefad> i don't know about you but the curry i had definitely had chunks of food in it
22:35 <@rhia> Evilpig knows what I mean
22:35 < Tefad> veggies, meat, and served with a bowl of rice
22:36 <+miniMerc> Tefad: its goop ontop of rice
22:36 < Tefad> that's the only type of curry i know
22:36 <@rhia> curry is only 'goop' when it's been americanized to nothingness
22:37 <@Evilpig> I had some of the best food in nola for sure
22:38 <@rhia> Evilpig: oh, yum, yeah ... the ONLY thing i miss about LA is NOLA - and it's food, the rest of the state? um, no thanks
22:38 < Tefad> red beans and rice
22:38 <@Evilpig> we ate at emerils restaurant nola, in nola and it was fantastic
22:39 <+miniMerc> Tefad: see, an indian/middle eastern person would mash up the beans into a paste, pour some olive oil over it, and use flatbread to scoop it into their maws
22:39 <@Evilpig> ate alot of crawfish
22:39 <+miniMerc> Tefad: beans in a sauce isnt goop
22:39 <@rhia> Catonic: check out the Alpine Cafe as well - Excellent food, good prices, about a block or so from the Square in the Quarter
22:39 <@Dagmar> It's Taco Bell.
22:39 <+miniMerc> taco bell > most indian food
22:39 < Tefad> hahaha
22:40 < Tefad> you've not had good indian food
22:40 <@rhia> Tefad: obviously ;)
22:40 <+miniMerc> in my opinion, its all crap
22:40 <@rhia> Tefad: you like biryani?
22:40 < Tefad> i don't like some of the indian spices
22:40 < Tefad> and the food is too expensive for me to try random dishes until i find something i like
22:40 < Tefad> dunno wtf it is
22:41 < Tefad> i've had indian maybe 5 times
22:41 <+miniMerc> Tefad: its expensive cuz hipsters like rhia consider spending alot of money on goop makes them superior
22:41 <@Evilpig> indian is okay.  I really like thai and japanese curries
22:41 < Tefad> thai ftw!
22:41 <+miniMerc> indians would go through hell and back to eat taco bell every day of their lives
22:41 <+miniMerc> but they cant, all the local economy affords is goop
22:41 <@rhia> Tefad: Indian rice dishes, regional, but most are really good, even if you Don't like curry, if you do, most are excellent ;)
22:42 < Tefad> yes curry = awesome
22:42 <@rhia> Evilpig: agreed on the regional curries
22:42 < Tefad> i will say taco bell does have a really good price for filling my stomach right now
22:42 < Tefad> i can have a meal for $3.27 or so
22:43 <@rhia> Tefad: biryani's are the everyday foods - cheap and really good
22:43 <+miniMerc> Evilpig: i would like to try thai food, as i enjoy hot stuff. when i was a theravadan buddhist, thai restaurants were recommended to me as a place to find good meditation centers. never got around to going to one, though
22:43 < Tefad> i don't think any indian place here has food less than $8/head
22:43 <+miniMerc> some chinese food is good, i love general tso's chicken
22:43 <+miniMerc> the spicier the better
22:43 < Tefad> tso's is ok, i like kung pow better
22:44 < Tefad> kung pao? whatever.
22:44 <@rhia> Evilpig: next time you pass thru DFW, got some REALLY good Thai places you'd like, give us a call
22:44 < Tefad> i like the texture of the water chestnuts especially
22:44 <@Catonic> alpine cafe, cafe du monde...
22:44 <+coil> brb going to dfw
22:44 <@Catonic> muffaletta's
22:44 < Tefad> there's like 5 or 6 different thai places in this town
22:44 <+miniMerc> Tefad: go over to india, they'll sell you enough goop for 10 people for about $0.30
22:44 < Tefad> and it's pretty small
22:44 <@Evilpig> damn straight I will call you for that
22:44 <+miniMerc> its only expensive cuz of hipsters
22:44 <@Catonic> I'm planning on taking food, and living on the absolute cheap
22:45 < Tefad> miniMerc: no thanks, i only travel places where i can drink tap water without contracting an illness/disease.
22:45 <+miniMerc> Tefad: heh
22:45 <@Evilpig> Catonic: as long as it isn't mardi gras..  and it isn't right now.  you can eat pretty cheap
22:45 <@rhia> Catonic: po'boys - cheap, filling - think southern sub sandwiches
22:45 <@Evilpig> try that bar I mentioned "coops place"  you can get jumbalaya super cheap and it's tasty.  yummy bunny
22:45 <@rhia> Evilpig: amen
22:45 < Tefad> goop's place ; )
22:46 <+miniMerc> haaaaaa
22:46 <@rhia> mardi gras jacks up the price on Everything - and no room to walk w/o stepping in urine or vomit
22:46 < Tefad> mmmm urine
22:46 <@Evilpig> no joke
22:46 < Tefad> i mean vomit
22:46 < Tefad> i mean.. ew.
22:46 <@Evilpig> I think our hotel bill from a few years back was $1000 for the week of mardi gras
22:46 <@Evilpig> and we had to have the room for the entire week
22:47  * miniMerc smokes his last cigarette
22:47 < Tefad> fffuuu--
22:47  * Tefad elects miniMerc for darwin award
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22:47 < Tefad> wb fie
22:47 <@rhia> Catonic: and, if you hav a ride, stay in Metaire (sp) or another suburb, a LOT cheaper and only 10 minutes from the Quarter
22:47 <+miniMerc> Tefad: hey, i said it was my last :P
22:47 <+miniMerc> Tefad: plan on quitting
22:47 < Tefad> cool
22:48 < Tefad> iirc someone i know said cigs were $7/pack
22:48 < Tefad> at least in louisiana
22:48 <@rhia> Tefad: he
22:48 <+miniMerc> i have a bunch of expired nitotrol inhalers, i hope they still have some oomph to them
22:48 <@rhia> Tefad: he's been saying that since he joined
22:48 <+miniMerc> Tefad: about $4 here
22:48 <+coil> i quit
22:48 <+miniMerc> ridiculous, at any rate
22:49 <+coil> im so proud of myself
22:49 <@m0j0-j0j0> I went to New Orleans about a week before MG by accident once
22:49 <+miniMerc> coil: how long you quit for now?
22:49 <@rhia> m0j0-j0j0: you accidently stayed in NOLA?
22:50 <@m0j0-j0j0> I accidently ended up there
22:50 <@rhia> what, plane missed Talladega? ;)
22:50 <@m0j0-j0j0> we didn't stay
22:50 <+coil> miniMerc over a month
22:50 <+miniMerc> coil: cool
22:50 <+miniMerc> i quit for 3 months once, then fucked it up
22:50 <+coil> dont have the urge or anything
22:50 <+coil> why fucked it up
22:51 <+miniMerc> got emotional
22:51 <+coil> did you have a night of drinking and accidently had a cig
22:51 <+miniMerc> pissed off
22:51 <+coil> then ur hooked again
22:51 <+miniMerc> not really, just stressed
22:51 <@m0j0-j0j0> rhia: we left Daytona to hit St. Augustine and missed
22:51 <+coil> should have drank instead
22:51 <+miniMerc> lit up and said "fuck it"
22:51 <+miniMerc> well i plan to continue drinking
22:51 <+miniMerc> hopefully that'll help ;)
22:51 <@rhia> LA sux majorly, NOLA, esp the warehouse & garden districts & the French Quarter are the only saving grace for the whole damned (literally) state
22:51 <@rhia> m0j0-j0j0: that's a helluva miss <g>
22:51 <+miniMerc> k last cigarette extinguished
22:52  * miniMerc get the nicotrol out
22:52 < Tefad> people i know are in northern la
22:52 <+coil> why not wait it out
22:52 < Tefad> off 20
22:53 <@rhia> Tefad: so sorry
22:53 < Tefad> heeeee
22:53 < Tefad> trailer too : x
22:54 <@rhia> ow <g>
22:54 <+miniMerc> hm, i think these expired nicotrol inhalers are still good
22:54 <+miniMerc> get a good burn when inhaling them
22:55 <@Dagmar> wow
22:55 <@rhia> Tefad: lived in 'red stick' for a while ..... well, we all make mistakes ;)
22:55 <@Dagmar> http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2009/05/21/video-worlds-most-aw.html
22:55 < Tefad> other places i have relatives: MS AL WV
22:55 < Tefad> woo!
22:55 <@Dagmar> I think that video is probably going to get more views than the band
22:55 <@Catonic> I'm thinking we should attempt to couchsurf NOLA, but it's four guys for three days
22:55 <@Catonic> and only one car.
22:55 <@Catonic> which I anticipate getting an insurance settlement out of, since it's top on the list of most stolen cars.
22:56 <@rhia> Tefad: going for the trifecta!
22:56 <@Catonic> rhia: Evilpig: thanks for the tips
22:57 < Tefad> rhia: heh.. missing KY
22:57 <@Catonic> one of my compatriots came up with this idea... he's going down to make rent money by stripping.
22:57 <+miniMerc> ...
22:57 <@Catonic> I need a vacation something bad, so it seemed well timed.
22:57 <@rhia> Catonic: hehehahalolLOL, um ... good luck
22:58 <@Catonic> all I know is.. whatever bar he goes into and gets bought a drink, walk the other way.
23:01  * rhia headdesks
23:01 <@Catonic> ????
23:02 <@juice> Catonic, going to defcon?
23:02 <@rhia> my dad, old school radar tech/hardware hacker,  is definitely becoming senile - he's succumbed to fwd feel good chain emails
23:03 < fie> Tefad, thx
23:03 < fie> My uhh... something... vmware
23:03 < fie> sux
23:03 <@rhia> Catonic: sorry, that was not towards you, towards the series of drivel fwd to me by my doddering ol' dad
23:03 < Tefad> fie: uhh right.
23:03 <@m0j0-j0j0> rhia: my mom (used to be a software developer) forwards me chain letters now
23:03 < Tefad> my power supply exploded the other day
23:03 < Tefad> quite lame.
23:03 <@Catonic> rhia: ok. I'm having a Kerouac moment about this trip...
23:03 <@m0j0-j0j0> I had to black list my mom
23:04 <@Catonic> it's starting with a greyhound bus ride at 8am and finishing with my car in NOLA.
23:04 < Tefad> heh my aunt used to forward dumb crap
23:04 <@Catonic> m0j0-j0j0: I think I went to that website once. They did a number on your mom, wooo-eeee.
23:04 < Tefad> i had to 'fix' (de-slow) her computer a few weeks back
23:04 <@rhia> m0j0-j0j0: dad taught me to question everything and gt at least 5 different views before Attempting to form an opinion - and now he ONLY watches FOX news
23:04 <@rhia> deep sigh
23:04 <@m0j0-j0j0> but it took her over a month to acknowledge that she might know me on LinkedIn so she deserved it
23:04 < Tefad> she's actually not a bad internet user
23:05 <@Catonic> well, the interesting part about the trip is that one week ago, we had interest...
23:05 <@Catonic> now we see the lines everyone rides on...
23:05 < Tefad> she was running XP with 128MB ram and the ISP crammed a bunch of bloat on her computer ..
23:05 < Tefad> threw 512MB in there and good as new.
23:05 <@Catonic> one girl cancels, and three guys drop out.
23:06 <@sdodson> miniMerc: Get some will power plz
23:07 <@rhia> Tefad: we do support for dad, but he very rarely needs it - mostly hardware dying or software fighting each other, the rest, he's got
23:07 < Tefad> yup yup
23:07 <@rhia> he rightly doesn't trust the hardware vendors in Vidalia
23:07 < Tefad> my aunt isn't exceptionally savvy but she does what she needs to get done rather well
23:07 <@m0j0-j0j0> is that a glass house over there?
23:08 <@rhia> h's forgottten more than any of them have learned
23:08 <@rhia> just sad to see him getting old
23:08 <@rhia> and sending me the same email 5 times over 2 weeks .... ;(
23:09 < Tefad> 'baw' moment right there
23:09 <+miniMerc> sdodson: IM TRYING YOU ASS
23:10 <@rhia> eh, my birthday is next week - getting gray myself, happens
23:11 <@Dagmar> This is why there's tweezers
23:11 < Tefad> haha i just saw someone i went to highschool with
23:11 <@rhia> just remember him as the tech that had my back when i took mom's radio apart to 'fix it' when i was 4
23:11 < Tefad> dude had forehead wrinkles and he's younger than i am.
23:11 <@rhia> did, too <g>
23:11 <@rhia> but not before she discovered me surrounded by parts
23:11 <@m0j0-j0j0> miniMerc: he just wants you to fail
23:11 <@m0j0-j0j0> miniMerc: feel free to ignore him
23:11 <@rhia> Dagmar: eh, that'd just make me bald <g>
23:12 <@juice> I got 3 wisdom teeth pulled today
23:12 <@rhia> juice: ow
23:12 < Tefad> bet you look like quite the chipmunk
23:12 < Tefad> how's the vicodin?
23:13 <@m0j0-j0j0> juice: wiser yet?
23:13 <@Catonic> rhia: omg, you've got The Knack!
23:14 <@juice> they gave me the off brand hydrocodone/APAP /5MG500Mg
23:14 <@Catonic> juice: I feel your pain.
23:14 <@juice> err
23:14 < Tefad> juice: same crap
23:14 <@Catonic> it's the same
23:14 <@Catonic> it's nice.
23:14 < Tefad> it's hydrocodone/acetaminophen
23:14 <@juice> oh okay well it's okay not as great as everyone makes it out to be
23:15 <@juice> i'm not swollen actually
23:15 <@juice> the top 2 don't even hurt
23:15 < Tefad> if it makes you queesy, take one at a time with less spacing
23:15 <@juice> the bottom one does but it was empacted
23:15 <@Catonic> it makes for good sexy time
23:15 < Tefad> did they dick with your jaw muscles?
23:15 <@rhia> Catonic: just a loose battery connection, but, at 4, had disassembled the whole shebang <g>
23:16 <@juice> not too bad my jaw might be alittle sore
23:16 < Tefad> lucky : )
23:16 <@juice> I got numbing aND LAUGHING GAS
23:16 <@juice> err
23:16 <@juice> caps lock
23:16 < Tefad> nice caps lock there
23:16 <@Catonic> rhia: was that before they were encouraging women into "real" careers?
23:16 <@juice> I was sitting there wit hte gas on for about 20 min and felt great
23:16 < Tefad> damn
23:16 <@Catonic> juice: next time you're on the gas, take a CD of The Dark Side Of The Moon"
23:16 < Tefad> that's a while
23:16 <@juice> then the doctore left and for about 2 minutes I just started chuckling
23:17 <@juice> doctor even
23:17 <@rhia> that was about the time i spent a whole day & loosened every nut on the swingset in revenge against my sister laughing at me at being too young to get on the bus & go to school
23:17 <@juice> then I stopped
23:17 <@m0j0-j0j0> my dentist is a junkie anyways
23:17 <@rhia> remained standing until they jumped on it after school and made it very satisfactorily collapse
23:17 <@m0j0-j0j0> he'll put the gas to you if you share
23:18 <@juice> i wouldn't have had the gas but I felt fine then I started getting nervous, not like mental nervous but more physical light headed and sweating after I got the pain numbing med
23:18 <@rhia> Catonic: basically, yeah - rhia is that old ;)
23:18 <+miniMerc> :/
23:18 <@juice> so I got the laughing gas and it calmed me down nicely
23:18 <@juice> I was coherent but just like there and out of it
23:19 <@juice> kind of a nice feeling
23:19 <+miniMerc> they call that "high"
23:19 <@juice> hah
23:19 <+miniMerc> ;)
23:19 <@m0j0-j0j0> dark side of the moon is great except for the dying part
23:19 <+miniMerc> m0j0-j0j0: ever done dark side of the rainbow?
23:20 <+miniMerc> syncing up DSotM with the wizard of oz
23:20 <@m0j0-j0j0> yeah, but it wasnt worth doing twice
23:20 <@juice> I prolly had the gas on for 35 minutes total
23:20 <@juice> it seemed like a lot longer
23:20 <@juice> whole things was done in an hour
23:20 <@juice> I thought it was a lot longer
23:20 <@juice> like 2hrs or so
23:21 <@Dagmar> You should have asked to test one of these http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/05/21/1627231
23:21 <@juice> Nothing for you to see here. Please move along
23:21 <@m0j0-j0j0> even if I'm so high I dont know where I am.. they dying part can really bring me down
23:22 <@juice> n/m
23:22 <@juice> there we go
23:22 <@juice> nice Dagmar
23:25 <@juice> however when the doc was talking to me I couldn't hardly talk
23:25 <@m0j0-j0j0> and then I touch myself and my troll too
23:25 <@m0j0-j0j0> juice: you must have the same guy as me
23:25 <@juice> the numbing medicine made it hard to tell where my tongue was so my speech was off
23:26 <@juice> my mouth felt open at time it was closed
23:26 <@juice> heh
23:27 <@juice> hmm off to bed to get some rest
23:27 <@juice> later
23:27 <@m0j0-j0j0> me2
23:27 <+miniMerc> byyyyeeeeee
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23:28 <@Catonic> why is it that I never have that experience
23:28 <@Catonic> I've always held this idea that I should be able to do something without my sensory faculty
23:29 <@Catonic> forinstance, there are manuvers that you can do in a jet that would make the inner ear freak out...
23:29 <@Catonic> I just get used to not trusting certain sensory input
23:31 <+miniMerc> oh
23:31 <@Catonic> as opposed to blotting it out like "that's not a cock in my anus, I just sat on a stick."
23:36 <@sdodson> W
23:36 <@sdodson> T
23:36 <@sdodson> F
23:36 <+miniMerc> noone knows
23:36 <@sdodson> srsly
23:37 <@Catonic> lolz
23:38 <+miniMerc> ask no questions, tell no lies
23:38 <@Catonic> I'm a shock-jock at heart. Sometimes, it just saying things to get a rise out of people.
23:38 <@Catonic> At the end of the day, I'm just another homophobic bastard.
23:39 <@sdodson> Thanks for the pro tip
23:40 <+dasunt> Best thread ever:  http://www.gixxer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=226570
23:41 <@sdodson> is this some vegan bullshit?
23:41 <@Catonic> I was lost on veggie, then I read lesbian, and I know how much a lesbian wants a cock.
23:43 <@Catonic> *yawn*
23:43 <@Catonic> he trolled a motorcycle forum.
23:43 <@sdodson> "Although you may want to check your owner's manual, I'm pretty sure your bike was not designed to run on - what is effectively - diesel fuel."  so gasoline + kerosene = diesel?
23:43 <@Catonic> 66 pages later, people don't realize they've been pwned.
23:44 <@Catonic> he was most likely talking about the soda
23:44 <@Catonic> the octane boosters just a .$number
23:44 <@Catonic> so if it adds three points, it's 87.3 octane
23:45 <@Catonic> you get more octane boost off of mothballs.
23:45 <@Catonic> if it was gaseous, it would be N2O or NO2.
23:46 <@Catonic> finally, I doubt he'd be able to adjust the octane enough to make the engine "run poorly" unless he was over 110 octane anyway, and his bike was previously running on detonation alone -- not spark.
23:47 <@Catonic> I wonder if I could just start a consultancy on cars...
23:47 <+dasunt> Sure.
23:48 <+dasunt> Btw, I almost got my touring bicycle built up.
23:58 <+miniMerc> where are you gonna tour
23:58 <+miniMerc> your neighborhood
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