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01:07 <@polerin> bleh
01:07 <@polerin> something about this site makes me feel... dirty.
01:07 <@polerin> I'm not sure I want this contract.
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04:55 <@Dagmar> That's kinda funny
04:55 <@Dagmar> Watching James Tipton interviewing Daniel Radcliffe.
04:55 <@Dagmar> Radcliffe actually seems to be a cool guy
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10:31 <@nachoguy> evilpig, have you rented the uhaul yet?
10:32 <@nachoguy> if not, call up enterprise, you can rent a panel van for much less and no milage costs
10:42 <@oddball> hmmm... rains... lots of rains...
10:42 * oddball is glad he brought his coat and hat
10:57 <@Evilpig> lemme check that. I have one reserved but not paid for yet
11:01 <@Evilpig> nachoguy: enterprise doesn't list prices online or let you make a reservation. but I am calling them now
11:03 <@Dementia> I usually go Budget
11:03 <@Dementia> They have better prices than UHaul
11:11 <@oddball> and tend to have better equipment.
11:14 <@Dementia> yeah that too
11:14 <@Dementia> seen way too many u-hauls on the side of the road
11:16 <@polerin> heh
11:16 <@polerin> <---
11:16 <@polerin> last time we moved we had that issue
11:18 < fie> anyone know of an irc app for windows mobile that's not the one based on mirc?
11:19 <@oddball> heh, I remember my emergency move after the fire. The first truck uHaul rented me had a dead battery and they had to call somebody to come out and replace it for them.
11:21 <@Dementia> I saw a u-haul trailer once that was on its side and the vehicle was right side up. I imagine that was messy.
11:22 <@oddball> oh dear
11:23 <@Dementia> Though I don't know if that's a uhaul failure or a driver failure
11:27 <@oddball> Oh, and Wizard was actually contemplating buying a truck they had for sale for some project... then I asked him if he really wanted a a truck that was in such bad shape that U-Haul didn't want it.
11:28 <@Dementia> heh
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11:39 <@Evilpig> 2600 meeting tonight? and where?
11:40 < [1NF0]_Work> the back of your u-haul trailer
12:05 <@Evilpig> which is correct?
12:05 <@Evilpig>
12:05 <@Evilpig>
12:14 * aestetix hugs Dolemite
12:21 <@aestetix> Oh wow the 2600 meeting is tonight.
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12:25 <@Catonic> what up bitches?
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12:26 <@Catonic> aestetix: ping
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13:27 <@Corydon76-dig> Storm's aimed right at Murfreesboro again...
13:29 <@ShadowHntr> lucky me
13:30 < fall0ut> what local channel is covering it?
13:31 < fall0ut> nobody right now
13:31 < fall0ut> nm
13:32 <@Corydon76-dig> I'm surprised there's no flood warnings hitting yet
13:34 < fall0ut> I've got a 32" LCD in my office with all of the local channels on it
13:34 < fall0ut> dont see any weather stuff up right now
13:34 < fall0ut> some little tickers with warnings going by looks like
13:35 < fall0ut> gah
13:35 < fall0ut> so much for mowing the yard this weekend
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13:49 <@sdodson> RAIN IS COMING!
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13:49 <@Catonic> it's like god just spontaneously jizzed on the atmosphere and it broke up into droplets on the way down
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13:51 <@sdodson> Catonic: Maybe in Alabama it is
13:51 <@Catonic> what convinces a man...
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13:51 <@Catonic> who makes $40K/yr... to buy a house that costs $860K
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13:52 <@oddball> Catonic: stupidity
13:52 <@Catonic> I make more than $40K... and I won't buy a house that costs $300K
13:52 <@Catonic> oddball: I'm convinced of it. I think he
13:52 <@Catonic> 's the man that every salesman wants to meet when he walks in the door.
13:53 <@oddball> also, who gives a man that makes $40K/year a loan for said $860K house.
13:53 <@Catonic> "Well, it's location..." ...
13:53 <@Catonic> I don't even want to know.
13:54 <@oddball> especially after the shit storm that has hit the banks because of stupid loan practices.
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14:07 <@sdodson> Catonic: how much you make baller?
14:10 < fall0ut> I make $8/hr and they gave me a loan for my $200k house!
14:11 <@Dementia> I'm going to talk to a mortgage lender and see what I can get this year, before I waste another year on rent and miss out on the $8k tax credit.
14:12 < fall0ut> I got screwed on that $8k tax credit :(
14:12 <@Dementia> how?
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14:14 <@oddball> you bought last year, didn't you?
14:14 <@Corydon76-dig> fall0ut: you seeing the weather warning now?
14:15 < fall0ut> Corydon76-dig: none of the stations are covering it really
14:15 < fall0ut> some warnings on the bottom of the screen
14:16 <@Corydon76-dig> fall0ut: NWS just issued a warning
14:17 * [1NF0]_Work presumes this is not Atlanta...
14:17 <@Corydon76-dig> Nashville area
14:20 < [1NF0]_Work> ahh
14:20 <@Catonic> sdodson: $40,000.01 per year.
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14:21 < [1NF0]_Work> that extra $0.01 makes all the difference, doesn't it...
14:21 <@Catonic> and I'm the highest paid ninja in the office.
14:22 < [1NF0]_Work> second highest paid ninja gets what, $39,999.98?
14:23 <@Catonic> $40K
14:24 < fall0ut> looks like ch5 has something up now
14:25 < fall0ut> mount pleasant/voorhies quercus
14:26 <@Corydon76-dig> [1NF0]_Work: what he's not saying is that extra $.03 makes him liable for $5 more in income taxes
14:28 < [1NF0]_Work> ahhh
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14:30 < fall0ut> I'd put channel 5 up, but I'm too lazy to plug in the other ethernet cable
14:30 < fall0ut> I have to walk all the way to the back room
14:31 <@ShadowHntr> yeah
14:31 <@ShadowHntr> severe t'storm watch until 1900
14:32 <@ShadowHntr> http://www.spc.noaa.gov/products/watch/ww0221.html
14:33 < fall0ut> great, wtvf dropped audio after they went back to programming
14:33 < fall0ut> wtg
14:33 <@ShadowHntr> lol
14:33 <@ShadowHntr> whoopsie
14:33 <@Corydon76-dig> Only 109 years too late
14:36 <@Catonic> 109 years too late?
14:38 <@ShadowHntr> Corydon76-dig: military time, you troglodyte.
14:43 < fie> http://twitpic.com/4cooq
14:43 < fall0ut> double your bandwidth, double your fun
14:47 < [1NF0]_Work> I used to do that...
14:48 <@Corydon76-dig> I've only done that to supply phone temporarily to a location.
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15:24 <@Drag0n`> if you are running 10base-t, telco, or t-1 you can get away with that, anything else is bad news
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15:32 <@Corydon76-dig> Drag0n: I've had success with 100BT and running telephone over the third pair
15:32 <@Corydon76-dig> err, first pair, really
15:32 <@Drag0n`> over short or long runs?
15:32 <@Corydon76-dig> I think the run was around 30 feet
15:33 <@Drag0n`> and were they in electricaly noisy environments?
15:33 <@Corydon76-dig> No, the pairs were isolated
15:34 <@Drag0n`> 30 ft in quiet areas you can get by on, but 150+ft in 100 bundle groups or by major industrial equipment and your asking for issues
15:34 <@Corydon76-dig> Commercial environment, 1-1/4 inch conduit
15:34 <@Drag0n`> metal or pvc?
15:34 <@Corydon76-dig> metal
15:34 <@Drag0n`> that acted as a shield then
15:35 <@Drag0n`> LOTS of factors, but best to plan on worst case and if it works better, bonus
15:36 <@Corydon76-dig> What would be your suggestion for running audio cable near 6 gauge AC?
15:37 <@Corydon76-dig> wrap audio in conduit?
15:37 <@Drag0n`> that and a ferite coil on each end
15:37 <@TheLightCosine> man it is ugly outside
15:37 <@Corydon76-dig> I'll have to try that
15:38 <@Drag0n`> if possible, a 6"x6" stel plate between trhe closest area
15:38 <@Drag0n`> steel
15:38 <@Corydon76-dig> I have serious hum currently
15:38 <@Corydon76-dig> It's just a single crossing point right now
15:38 <@Drag0n`> make sure there is no direct contact and the audio cable has no loops
15:39 <@Corydon76-dig> I'll have to try the steel plate and see if that makes a difference
15:39 <@Drag0n`> try and shiled any audio to power juctions with air and dense sheilding
15:39 <@Drag0n`> home or car audio?
15:39 <@Corydon76-dig> home
15:40 <@Drag0n`> is the power cable on the same circuit the audio supply device is on?
15:40 <@Corydon76-dig> specifically, the audio cable is crossing the power lead to my UPS
15:40 <@Corydon76-dig> No, separate circuits
15:41 <@Drag0n`> yeah, UPS's are bad for that, try and get it as far away as possible, the trasnformer coils are VERY niosy
15:41 <@Drag0n`> noisy
15:42 <@Corydon76-dig> I meant the power lead to my secondary circuit panel, which supplies my UPS
15:42 <@Drag0n`> ahh
15:42 <@Corydon76-dig> 40A 220V
15:43 <@Corydon76-dig> subpanel was the word I couldn't think of a moment ago
15:44 <@Drag0n`> ouch, 220, so your taking a 60 hz sine wave from each leg, and running an audio cable over it, your bound to get noise, and the fact its 2 120 legs tied together to make a 220 60hz sine wave that much stronger
15:44 * TheLightCosine blinks
15:44 <@Corydon76-dig> So, 6x6 steel plate at the crossover?
15:44 <@Drag0n`> since they are in sync, if they were out of phase, they would cancel each other out
15:44 <@Drag0n`> its a start
15:45 <@Corydon76-dig> I'll try that
15:45 <@Drag0n`> best would be to move the cable as far as possible
15:45 <@TheLightCosine> so, who all is coming out to the 615 meeting tonight?
15:45 <@Corydon76-dig> They're routed as far apart as possible, but that single crossover just had to happen
15:46 <@Drag0n`> the more shielding the better, best is a grounded metal braided sleive at the cross juction
15:48 <@Corydon76-dig> sleeve around the power cable or around the audio cable?
15:48 <@Drag0n`> yes
15:48 <@Drag0n`> both preferably
15:48 <@Drag0n`> and no contact between the two
15:48 <@Corydon76-dig> Grounding them at the same spot wouldn't cause additional problems?
15:49 <@Corydon76-dig> I've been warned about having additional grounds in my electrical system
15:49 <@Drag0n`> no, as long as its earth ground, it will cary the noise away, it acts as a interference shield
15:50 <@Drag0n`> it wont be in the electrical system as its not actualy in any of the power or audio circuits
15:50 <@Corydon76-dig> Well, I don't think the sleeves are possible, given that the circuits are already in place
15:50 <@Corydon76-dig> But I could definitely do the steel plate and ground that
15:51 <@Corydon76-dig> unless I can get a sleeve as a slit wrap
15:51 <@Drag0n`> its the same concept of shielded audio or cat-5 cable, they run a metal wieve around the cable then run a lead off of that to ground, then coat that in rubber
15:51 <@Drag0n`> http://www.bluejeanscable.com/articles/humrejection.htm
15:52 <@Corydon76-dig> Foil wrap is another that could be done
15:52 <@Drag0n`> yep
15:52 <@Drag0n`> that link has some ideas and comparisons
15:53 <@Drag0n`> http://www.epanorama.net/documents/groundloop/othernoise.html
15:53 <@Drag0n`> Only effectively ways to fight against magnetic noise in unbalanced connections are keeping the cables away form magentic noise sources (magnetic fields drop very rapidly with the distance from the source, so even few centimeters movement of cable can help to reduce the problem) or placing lot of iron (or other magnetic material) between the noise source and the cable (like putthing the audio cable inside an iron tube).
15:56 <@Drag0n`> and since steel is an alloy of iron, the steel idea is probably cheaper and lighter
15:58 <@Drag0n`> the grounding idea came from my car audio days, ground loops are a constant issue, thats where alternator wine comes from, so grounding your audio cable shilding is a way to lower this issue
16:25 < aestetix> dc0de: you around?
16:25 < aestetix> any really anyone in ATL
16:28 <@Catonic> d0de is in san deigo
16:30 < aestetix> for vacation?
16:38 <@Catonic> he works out of sandeigo
16:38 <@Catonic> aestetix: I need a job. Me love you long time.
16:41 < aestetix> You should turn into a street hooker.
16:41 < aestetix> You'd get money and get laid.
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17:53 <@Dagmar> lightning.
17:53 <@Dagmar> Not fun driving
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18:00 < aestetix> my friend just registered waterboard.me
18:01 <@ShadowHntr> lucky you
18:08 <@sdodson> aestetix: Wow, you got some leet frenz!
18:11 < poiupoiu> i smell a flash video where you upload an image of someone's face!!
18:22 < aestetix> You know
18:22 < aestetix> I think the number of trannies I know has quadrupled since i moved to SF
18:27 * [1NF0] is in Atlanta... outside perimeter
18:29 < [1NF0]> and in 20 minutes, I'll be traversing the city in one direction, then back the other way
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18:49 < uSynx> whats a good os for a dedicated server
18:50 < uSynx> my options are... centos, debian, gentoo, fedora, ubuntu, ispcp, vmware, virtualbox, and opensuse... btw i didn't know vmware/virtualbox could actually be a dedicated os
18:50 < uSynx> i am thinking ubuntu server (although desktop is an option) that or debian
18:57 <@ShadowHntr> uSynx: vmware is a bare-metal hypervisor, could be a called it's own os in the technical sense of the word...
18:58 <@ShadowHntr> if you want to virtualize, check out VMware ESXi
18:58 <@ShadowHntr> it's free
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19:16 < aestetix> Or virtualbox, or qemu, or bochs...
19:16 < aestetix> or xen
19:19 < miniMerc> lol @ bochs
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19:54 < astralsin> vmware server 2 is pretty bitchin, i use it on my web server at work and really couldn't be happier with it
19:54 < astralsin> well, i would like some bandwidth logging, but i can accomplish that on my own
20:07 < uSynx> what do you use it for on your webserver
20:08 < uSynx> i guess i dont really understand the use of vm's outside the rehlm of software testing, penn testing and managing different users on a server
20:08 < uSynx> i think i am leaning toward ubuntu server to debian, not sure i need a desktop on a remote server
20:20 < uSynx> think i am going to go with centos actually
20:21 < miniMerc> out of that list id prolly pick centos
20:22 < uSynx> wonder how hard it will be to setup the rtorrent and other random shit i want on centos instead of ubuntu
20:22 < miniMerc> your decision making skills are in question tho, since you're even considering debian or gentoo
20:22 < uSynx> gentoo and debian were on the list
20:22 < miniMerc> yes i saw that
20:22 < uSynx> ive used gentoo for many years
20:22 < miniMerc> thats MY EXACT POINT
20:22 <@timoguin> <3 gentoo
20:22 < uSynx> but i dont want that on a remote server
20:22 < miniMerc> good idea
20:22 < miniMerc> i dont want it on a local one either
20:22 < uSynx> deb is great though loved it while i used it in the past
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20:23 < miniMerc> wtf
20:23 < uSynx> and i think ubuntu might be updated too often to consider for a remote server
20:23 <@timoguin> huh?
20:23 <@timoguin> you don't have to update it just because there's a new release
20:24 < uSynx> true
20:24 <@timoguin> and what does it matter that the server is remote?
20:24 < uSynx> but the moment i want a new package
20:24 < miniMerc> the idea is to be able to differentiate between security updates and trivial bullshit updates
20:24 < miniMerc> gentoo is a toy
20:24 < miniMerc> sorry
20:24 < miniMerc> im glad some of you enjoy it
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20:24 < miniMerc> but its a toy
20:24 < miniMerc> its not for work
20:24 <@timoguin> gentoo has a fantastic package management system
20:24 < miniMerc> im sure its a great learning tool
20:25 <@timoguin> aside from that it's not any different than anything else
20:25 < uSynx> man i had a server run nonstop for 6 years on gentoo, but i could never use the package manager after the first year when it was so out of date nothing would update
20:25 < miniMerc> i ran slackware for the first few years i ran linux, mainly because it was the most advanced thing around
20:25 < miniMerc> it was great fun and i learned a lot
20:25 < uSynx> ya i learned on slack too
20:25 < miniMerc> i surely damn wouldnt run slackware at this point
20:25 <@timoguin> i learned on debian at first
20:25 <@timoguin> then gentoo
20:26 < uSynx> merc, so you dont agree that centos is my best option
20:26 < miniMerc> uSynx: out of your list? yeah
20:26 < uSynx> i did, slack - deb - gentoo - ubuntu
20:26 < uSynx> never used redhat/fedora though
20:26 < uSynx> i hear its a good distro though
20:26 < miniMerc> i prefer fedora for home systems; im making do with ubuntu on the dell mini tho
20:27 <@timoguin> i fooled with mandrake a bit at first, learned the ins and outs of BASH with a no-X debian, then gentoo, then ubuntu
20:27 < uSynx> merc, i ran ubuntu on my aspire one but it was too slow, now running windows 7 with EWF (non write to SSD, so when i shut down nothing is saved)
20:27 < miniMerc> when i first ran linux i didnt have the hardware for X
20:27 <@timoguin> miniMerc: me neither
20:28 <@timoguin> not for the system i ran debian on at least
20:28 < miniMerc> uSynx: dunno ubuntu is pretty fast here on the mini, course i dont push it hard
20:28 < miniMerc> timoguin: nod
20:28 < uSynx> i am going to reinstall it and see what i can get out of it in dual boot
20:28 < miniMerc> i heard someone say yesterday or so that they were running WoW on an aspire one
20:28 < miniMerc> which surprises me
20:28 < uSynx> but dualbooting a 32gb CF card might not be so fun
20:28 <@timoguin> I'm supposed to be working on papers, but I'm so utterly exhausted I'm just sitting doing nothing.
20:29 < uSynx> surname is that firstname?
20:30 <@timoguin> no
20:30 < uSynx> didn't think so
20:32 < uSynx> damn it my credit card expired today
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22:16 <@Evilpig> NotLarry: ping
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23:44 <@sdodson> I feel like SHITTTTTTTTTTTTTT
23:46 < xGeek> bacon lung
23:47 <@sdodson> pretty much
23:47 <@sdodson> xGeek: what's new?
23:47 <@sdodson> xGeek: Were you in Raleigh tonight?
23:47 < xGeek> Yeah, but I had to go out to eat with my wife and her friend.
23:47 < xGeek> Wife's orders.
23:47 <@sdodson> wife's friend bangable?
23:47 < xGeek> If you're into dudes.
23:47 < xGeek> He is kinda girly.
23:47 <@sdodson> no
23:48 < xGeek> I need to figure out what I'm going to do if I move out.
23:48 < xGeek> Cuz... all of my computers won't fit into my car. Not and take my clothes too that is.
23:48 <@sdodson> so you're moving?
23:48 < xGeek> Well... generally speaking no, but I might be getting a divorce.
23:49 < xGeek> Prolly just be moving to North Raleigh for the time being.
23:49 <@sdodson> oh sorry to hear that
23:49 < xGeek> I'm not.
23:50 < xGeek> My wife is very warm and bubbly until you have to live with her. My entire family loves her to death.
23:50 < xGeek> She only brings death and destruction to my mind of late.
23:50 < xGeek> I have to go soon or risk rotting in jail.
23:51 < xGeek> I'm taking her dog to the pound tomorrow. Sucks too because I'm going to miss him, but it's just to prove a point.
23:53 <@sdodson> xGeek: What's it going to prove?
23:56 <@Evilpig> critch: ping
23:57 < xGeek> sdodson: ermmm don't ask me such hard questions
23:58 < xGeek> well she told me that I should just get rid of him tonight and smirked at me
23:58 < xGeek> but... it will break her heart if she comes home to no dog
23:58 < xGeek> and I plan on doing just that...
23:58 < xGeek> she said some pretty harsh shit today
23:58 < xGeek> which I plead the fifth on for now
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