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01:12 <@jb7od> okay who's up. time for etymology.
01:12 <@jb7od> you know in old cowboy flicks and shit the word comes up, usually by an "old timer", verb form "prophecy" as
01:13 <@jb7od> I propheci?
01:13 <@jb7od> does anybody have any idea what the fuck i'm talking about?
01:16 <@jb7od> The verb “to prophesy” (pronounced “PROF-a-sigh”) means to predict something. When a prophet prophesies he or she utters prophecies
01:16 <@jb7od> google wins
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01:49 <@timoguin> jb7od: That's not etymology. That's just the definition of a word.
01:55 <@Corydon76-dig> jb7od: http://www.babeled.com/2009/03/19/word-power-prophecy/
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06:48 <@jb7od> timoguin: i thought at first it was a colloquialism
06:51 < I-MOD> jb7od, prophesize?
06:51 <@jb7od> well with an s it's pronounced like prophe-sigh
06:51 <@jb7od> like pappy used to say
06:51 <@jb7od> lol
06:51 < I-MOD> and what kind of crazy cowboy flicks do you watch that involve prophecies?
06:52 <@jb7od> i'd heard it said but never seen it written and wasn't even sure it was a word.
06:54 < miniMerc> 'for a few dollars more' has a prophet
06:55 <@jb7od> i think the only references were to like predicting storms, bad marriages, and poor harvests- nothing very divine...
06:57 <@jb7od> it's the tounge of the same people who exclaim shit like "I declare!"
06:57 < miniMerc> tongue?
06:59 <@jb7od> are you correcting the spelling or asking the meaning?
06:59 < I-MOD> probably both
06:59 < miniMerc> a bit of both
06:59 < miniMerc> i have no idea what a tounge is
07:00 < miniMerc> i was asking if thats what you meant
07:00 < I-MOD> tongue == local speech patterns
07:00 <@jb7od> a vernacular
07:00 < I-MOD> that one
07:00 < miniMerc> actually thats incorrect
07:00 < miniMerc> tongue is a language
07:00 < I-MOD> have you ever BEEN to the deep south?
07:01 < miniMerc> a local speech pattern would be vernacular, brogue, dialect
07:02 <@jb7od> it's antiquated to used tongue that way- sorry- I think i got jokes.
07:03 < miniMerc> anyway yeah ive heard prophecy used as a verv like that
07:03 < miniMerc> many times
07:03 < miniMerc> i think of it being used in either oldene timese or like, the 18th century
07:04 < miniMerc> a wagon rolls into some dusty town, the stranger prophecies and then sells you a patent medicine
07:04 < miniMerc> a tonic or a tincture
07:05 <@jb7od> i haven't in a long time but I was trying to use it in something I was writing- had no idea about the 's' but that makes the difference..
07:05 < miniMerc> yeah the spelling is weird
07:05 < miniMerc> i couldnt have told you for sure how it was spelled
07:05 < miniMerc> i guess just like the noun
07:06 <@jb7od> i actually found it on a 'common errors' edu page about the c vs. s and pron. difference
07:06 < miniMerc> oh yea
07:07 <@jb7od> rollerbladers: watch out for syndo- he won't mean to hit you but he'll be in a car.
07:07 <@jb7od> lo l
07:07 <@jb7od> w/c
07:08 <@jb7od> no worse than wrong chan, wrong whole network lol.
07:08 < ware> n0ice
07:08 < ware> wutup mercury
07:15 < miniMerc> beer
07:16 < ware> http://www.penguicon.org/
07:16 < miniMerc> gay
07:20 < ware> http://www.buy.com/prod/v-touch-8gb-mp3-mp4-2-8-touch-screen-2mp-camera-expandable-minisd/q/loc/111/208370463.html?adid=17654&dcaid=17654
07:20 < ware> ifone/ipod ripoff lol
07:21 <@Catonic> feck
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07:57 <@m0j0-j0j0> ChanServ: and don't you forget it.
07:59 < miniMerc> you dont talk to her that way
08:20 < kponds> anyone go to memphis 2600 meetups?
08:20  * m0j0-j0j0 smacks ChanServ on the ass and says "go get papa a nice cold beer out of the fridge."
08:20 <@m0j0-j0j0> kponds: not I
08:21 < kponds> just wondering if people actually still go .. i havent been to 2600 in about 12 years
08:21 <@TheLightCosine> grr
08:22 <@m0j0-j0j0> kponds: you should give it a go.. I skipped 10 years of the one here in Ral. and by the time I went back it was worth the drive.
08:22 < kponds> yeah im going to go tomorrow
08:23 < kponds> trying to get some more community involvement time in
08:23 <@TheLightCosine> stupid .NET
08:23 <@m0j0-j0j0> kponds: you know that 2600 meetings don't count as community service time... right?
08:23 < kponds> hehe
08:24 <@polerin> m0j0-j0j0: don't make me cut your hands off :P
08:24 < kponds> nah its primarily due to being laid off :)
08:25 <@m0j0-j0j0> well, if memphis doesn't pan out I know the crew in nash is healthy.
08:25 <@m0j0-j0j0> and by healthy I mean... they drink a lot
08:25 < kponds> yeah i have a lot of leads in nashville, the memphis job market is shit
08:26 <@m0j0-j0j0> kponds: what do you do?
08:26 < kponds> security
08:26 <@m0j0-j0j0> mall
08:26 < kponds> yeah
08:26 <@polerin> heh
08:27 <@polerin> pinkerton boi
08:27 <@polerin> :P
08:27 < kponds> i primarily do dev lifecycle support: define security requirements, assess and certify architecture and design, do code review and testing, and certify application
08:27 < kponds> i'm an "architect" but ive always hated that title
08:28 <@polerin> what kind of applications do you primarily work on?
08:28 < ware> 42
08:28 <@m0j0-j0j0> polerin: I bet it's computer related
08:29 < miniMerc> animated ballsack screensaver
08:29 <@TheLightCosine> yes! bitchin
08:29  * TheLightCosine does a victory dance
08:30 <@polerin> m0j0-j0j0: ORLY YOU TINK?!
08:30 < kponds> polerin: j2ee services primarily
08:30 <@polerin> ugh
08:30  * polerin is nausious
08:30 < miniMerc> are you pregnant
08:30 <@polerin> stupid drinking on an empty stomach
08:30 <@TheLightCosine> oh noes polerin has swine flu!
08:30 <@m0j0-j0j0> TheLightCosine: did it say "Hello World!"
08:30 <@TheLightCosine> m0j0-j0j0: lol
08:31 <@polerin> of course i'm pregnant.  Lissa was after me with the turkey baster last week.
08:31 <@polerin> :P
08:31 <@m0j0-j0j0> miniMerc: pregnant.. really?
08:31 <@polerin> m0j0-j0j0: it's the standard running joke any time I say anything about being nausious
08:31 <@polerin> gr.
08:31 <@TheLightCosine> m0j0-j0j0: I have been trying to write some .NET code that can read/write the binary Alternate Data Streams windows uses to store Document Summary Information
08:32 <@m0j0-j0j0> mechanic is done
08:32 <@m0j0-j0j0> got to go
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08:32 <@polerin> lol
08:32 <@polerin> "Fuck .net, that crap is horrible"
08:32 <@TheLightCosine> yes
08:32 <@TheLightCosine> .net is terrible
08:32 <@polerin> "/quit"
08:33 <@TheLightCosine> but i don't know c++ worth a damn, and i don't use perl at work
08:35 < miniMerc> polerin: next time you drink on an empty stomach. drink beer. its got electrolytes
08:36 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: ginger
08:36 <@polerin> miniMerc: I was drinking guiness ;P
08:36 <@polerin> normally i'm fine on it
08:36 <@polerin> and it wasn't really EMPTY
08:36 <@polerin> just.. yeah.
08:36 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: crystallized ginger
08:37 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: or ginger ale
08:37 <@polerin> Corydon76-dig: i'm not going out to get it.  I'm not THAT nausious
08:37 <@Corydon76-dig> Either way, ginger should help relieve you of your stomach pains
08:37 <@polerin> and i've got shit I've got to do
08:37 <@polerin> :/
08:37 <@polerin> rewriting a client spec to actually make sense and be coherent
08:37 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: I keep a good amount of it around here
08:38 <@Corydon76-dig> It was my self-medication before my doctor prescribed other stuff
08:38 < miniMerc> you must be a boy scout
08:39 <@Corydon76-dig> Was
08:43 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
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08:53 < ware> Dolemite: wutup poleymoe
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08:56 <@Dolemite> just getting the morning reports out
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08:59 < ware> sweet
08:59 < ware> im updating / closing tickets!
08:59 < ware> 3 days torespond or it gets CHUNKED, NUKKA!
08:59 < ware> also, sogging my balls
08:59 <@polerin> why am I positioning myself for project management crap?
08:59 <@polerin> I hate writing reports
08:59 < ware> i got to hang out with ashley schwartau last night
08:59 < ware> shes supa cool
08:59 <@polerin> I hate trying to dig through the crap that clients hand us
09:01 <@Dolemite> that the documentary film girl?
09:01 < ware> yeaha
09:02 <@Dolemite> did you put the moves on her?
09:02 < ware> didnt realize her dad's credentials til i googled "Winn Schwartau" when i got home last night
09:02 < ware> not really, just being me :D but she said we should hang out!
09:02 < ware> hopefully got a new friend
09:03 < ware> then id have 3!
09:03 < ware> lulz~
09:03 < ware> oh, i heard Piggy's gonna be bottoming for you?
09:03 < ware> errr, working under you*
09:03 < miniMerc> :/
09:04 < ware> miniMerc: are you still drinking
09:04 <@Dolemite> he started yesterday
09:04 < miniMerc> IS IT FUCKING NOON YET
09:04 < miniMerc> NO
09:04 < ware> sweet
09:04 < miniMerc> SO OF COURSE IM DRINKING
09:04 < miniMerc> im all tired tho
09:04 < miniMerc> i need a nap
09:05 < miniMerc> fuckers from the fire dept are gonna inspect my sprinkler and alarm today
09:05 < miniMerc> id rather not be passed out when they come in
09:07 < miniMerc> after an hour or so of sleep ill have let my sack out of my shorts and will be kissing my pillow
09:07 < miniMerc> and that'd just be embarrassing
09:07 < ware> ahhh nice
09:07 < ware> haha
09:07 < fie> http://twitpic.com/49djf
09:07 < ware> "YALL WANT A BEER?!?"
09:07 < miniMerc> haha
09:07 < ware> fie: asl?
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09:09 < fie> ware, 12/m/your pants
09:09 < miniMerc> mmm
09:09 < miniMerc> ware's favorite
09:09 < fie> lewl
09:09 < ware> LOL
09:09 < fie> 23/m/va omg u wunna cybur?
09:09 < fie> brb, tobacco
09:09 < ware> why did micheal jackson goto walmart?
09:10 < fie> Why?
09:10 < miniMerc> boys hands half off
09:10 < miniMerc> PANTS
09:10 < miniMerc> I MEANT PANTS
09:10 < miniMerc> DAMNIT
09:10 < fie> Good job.
09:10 < ware> he heard little boys pants were half off
09:10 < kponds> lol ruined
09:10 < ware> :(
09:10 < miniMerc> yeah
09:10 < ware> OH! why did miniMerc goto walmart?
09:10 < miniMerc> i totally boner'd that
09:10 < ware> he heard little boys pants were half off
09:10 < miniMerc> ware: hopefully your pants half off
09:10 < ware> LOLOL! smokebrb
09:10 < miniMerc> ;-)
09:10 < miniMerc> sorry
09:11 < ware> <- irc's naked
09:11 < miniMerc> it happens
09:11 < miniMerc> its not your fault
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09:20 < fie> Shhh
09:20 < fie> everyone be quiet
09:23 <@brimstone> kk
09:24 < ware> fie: #phneak
09:44 < fie> I like how people are genuinely thankful when I plug their network cable back in after I've stolen it to join another computer to the domain.
09:45 < ware> hahaha
09:45 < ware> so you do IT?
09:45 < fie> Yeah, I'm a fiend in bed.
09:45 < fie> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weJX1BHow1g
09:46 < miniMerc> mmm
09:46 < miniMerc> beds
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09:49 < fie> I love uppers
09:50 < ware> http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs011.snc1/2909_620542526025_38421039_36170300_5030787_n.jpg
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10:42 <@polerin> heh
10:43 <@polerin> http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_kC5MT2r5U8s/Sfivh-y4DQI/AAAAAAAAJ6E/uBGu3H6O1MU/s1600-h/Obama+chill+out.jpg
10:43 < miniMerc> uhhhhmmmmmmm
10:43 < miniMerc> scroll down
10:43 < miniMerc> scroll down
10:47 < fie> polerin, go back to california you hippie
10:48 < fie> <3
10:50 <@polerin> not really a hippie.
10:50 <@polerin> well
10:50 <@polerin> that depends on the day, really
10:50 <@polerin> I'm not really anything in particular
10:50 <@TheLightCosine> except perhaps a little crazy ;)
10:51 <@polerin> little?
10:51 <@polerin> shiiiiiiiiiiiiiit.
10:51 <@M0j0-j0j0> and evil in a fun way
10:51 <@polerin> I'm evil?  damnit.
10:51 <@polerin> I was trying to be good today.
10:51 <@TheLightCosine> guess you'll never work at google then heh
10:51 < fie> I call you a hippie but I voted for Nader
10:52 <@TheLightCosine> thanks alot asshole =P
10:52 <@polerin> phht.  Fucking "lawful good" google is more dangerous than microshaft
10:52 <@polerin> too much information, too much centralization.
10:52 <@TheLightCosine> truth, microsft doesn't have access to everything i do + satelite photography of where i live =P
10:52 <@M0j0-j0j0> I'd say at best google is chaotic good and at worst is lawful evil
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10:53 <@polerin> M0j0-j0j0: I'm just talking about what they present themselves as.
10:53 < miniMerc> lets hear it for caldera! woop!
10:53 <@polerin> actually, you know what would be funny?
10:53 <@Corydon76-dig> Google has all that information because they're good at what they produce.  Microsoft has all that power because they're good at marketing.
10:53 <@M0j0-j0j0> piety
10:53 <@polerin> GE coming out and saying "Yep, We are lawful evil."
10:54 <@polerin> "luv us, or we'll use our military contacts to take you out."
10:54 < miniMerc> omgwtfroflol yea thats uh, hilarkious
10:54 < miniMerc> good one
10:54 < miniMerc> hilarkious
10:54 < miniMerc> i said it
10:54 <@polerin> Corydon76-dig: competency doesn't mean they are good, competent
10:54 < miniMerc> its like hilarious but moreso
10:55 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: we worry about what they might do with all that information, but they've never done anything with that information that I would consider massively objectionable
10:55 <@polerin> miniMerc: yeah. ok.  ha ha.  yeah.  Uh huh. ok.  Yeph.  Heh. There, I've acknowledged your next 10 snarks.  :P
10:55 <@M0j0-j0j0> miniMerc: that's for explaining it... I'm sure we wouldn't have been able to figure it out without you spelling it out for us
10:56 < miniMerc> M0j0-j0j0: irc is hard
10:56 <@polerin> It's not even necessarily THEM.  Part of being "good" is not creating the atom bomb, even if you don't plan on using it.
10:56 <@TheLightCosine> i think irc difficulty level is proportinate to your emo level =P
10:56 < miniMerc> dude the atom bomb rules
10:56 < miniMerc> it ended ww2
10:57 <@TheLightCosine> psh no it didn't, it was overkill
10:57 <@polerin> yeaaaaaaaaaaaah.  So it's good because we used it.
10:57 <@polerin> awesome.
10:57 <@polerin> I bet you think the firebombing of tokyo is shits and giggles too.
10:57 <@polerin> :P
10:57 <@TheLightCosine> dun forget dresden
10:57 <@M0j0-j0j0> miniMerc: bacon lung could end everything and I wouldn't start calling IT good
10:57 <@M0j0-j0j0> (yet)
10:57 < miniMerc> i cant argue about this cuz id win the argument and then someone would ban me for being right and id be trolling
10:57 <@polerin> TheLightCosine: yeah, but tokyo went up flames worse.
10:57 <@TheLightCosine> bacon lung?
10:57 < miniMerc> and i told sdodson i wouldnt be trolled
10:57 < miniMerc> TheLightCosine: the bacon lung
10:58 <@polerin> TheLightCosine: swine flu :P
10:58 <@TheLightCosine> oh
10:58 <@TheLightCosine> hahah
10:58 <@TheLightCosine> sorry
10:58 <@TheLightCosine> duh
10:58 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: atom bomb was a side effect of nuclear power, which on the whole is good
10:58 <@polerin> actually it's sorta worrying me
10:58 < miniMerc> i have a friend who thinks he has bacon lung
10:58 < miniMerc> he lives in SF
10:58 <@TheLightCosine> actually, nuclear pwoer was really more a side efefct of the atom bomb
10:58 <@TheLightCosine> which is typical throughout history
10:58 <@polerin> Corydon76-dig: which can be USED for good.  I don't think anything is inherently good or evil
10:58 < miniMerc> but went on a business trip to LA this last weekend
10:58 < miniMerc> he's convinced he has bacon lung
10:58 <@TheLightCosine> many of our rgeat technological advancements have been spawned out of military r&d
10:59 < miniMerc> i told him to get to a doctor for the antivirals
10:59 <@polerin> TheLightCosine: yeah, we spend a shitton on blowing the fuck out of things and then discover "hey we can use this for something else."
10:59 < miniMerc> TheLightCosine: yup
10:59 <@polerin> but that something else comes way later.
10:59 <@TheLightCosine> hell look at the intarwebs
10:59 < miniMerc> polerin: progress is progress
10:59 <@polerin> I wish that we could just focus that same kind of national power on just developing the tech rather than on the blowing shit up
10:59 < miniMerc> darpa
10:59 <@TheLightCosine> indeed
10:59 < miniMerc> polerin: we should probably meditate on flowers eh
10:59 <@M0j0-j0j0> gitmo
10:59 <@polerin> miniMerc: I wouldn't call that progress.  look at how much we've had to spend to kill each insurgent
11:00 <@M0j0-j0j0> oh wait... that wasn't a good example ;)
11:00 < miniMerc> ya i know, lets hug
11:00 <@polerin> miniMerc: actually, i'd rather spend the couple trillion dollars that we've blown on these wars actually improving the world.
11:00 < miniMerc> ya like meditating about flowers
11:01 < miniMerc> ALSO RAINBOWS
11:01 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: most of the wars we've fought over the past 100 years weren't our own doing
11:01 <@TheLightCosine> miniMerc: *blink*
11:01 <@TheLightCosine> er
11:01 <@TheLightCosine> sorry
11:01 <@TheLightCosine> Corydon76-dig: *blink*
11:01 <@polerin> it won't solve everything, and it won't be quick, but if we actually worked on improving the situation in the middle east instead of propping up dictators until they become inconvenient for us then going in and invading, we might not be the great devil.
11:01 <@TheLightCosine> how do you figure that one?
11:01 <@M0j0-j0j0> Corydon76-dig: gamma radiation?
11:01 < miniMerc> i gotta leave this convo or ill end up banned for having common sense
11:02  * miniMerc wanders off
11:02 <@Corydon76-dig> TheLightCosine: WWI, WWII, Korea
11:02 <@polerin> Corydon76-dig: I disagree, but it'd be too long of a conversation right now.
11:02 <@TheLightCosine> korea wasn't our doing eh? what about the phillipenes, gulf war I, vietnam..
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11:03 < miniMerc> M0j0-j0j0: i wanna hit ON you
11:03 <@polerin> Corydon76-dig:  Vietnam, Panama, Iraq (1 and 2)
11:03 <@polerin> TLC: <3
11:03 <@M0j0-j0j0> sorry... you're winging so much about getting kicked/banned that I thought it might be a good tension breaker
11:03 <@Corydon76-dig> TheLightCosine: 1) when we have a treaty to defend another country's sovreignty, that's not our own doing, 2) some of those weren't actually wars
11:03 <@TheLightCosine> oh please
11:04 <@TheLightCosine> the phillipenes wasn't a war?
11:04 < miniMerc> M0j0-j0j0: hey, im not the sensitive one. anytime in the past ive owned someone in a debate, i get kickbanned for trolling. i dunno if its just hate, or people dont actually believe what im typing
11:04 <@polerin> panama wasn't a war?
11:04 <@Corydon76-dig> TheLightCosine: I didn't say the Phillipines, specifically
11:04 < miniMerc> M0j0-j0j0: but its obvious i cant be free with speech here
11:04 <@polerin> Iraq?
11:04 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: Panama was not a war, no
11:04 < miniMerc> M0j0-j0j0: i told sdodson id be good, too
11:04 < miniMerc> so, im out
11:04 < miniMerc> IM OUT
11:04 < miniMerc> GOODNIGHT CLEVELAND
11:04 <@M0j0-j0j0> miniMerc: it's hate
11:04 <@polerin> Corydon76-dig: bullshit.  it was a war on someone to weak to put up a fight.  A quick war is still a war.
11:05 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: so anytime we send troops into another country, that's a war?
11:05 <@TheLightCosine> and you wanna expand the definition out past actual war to 'military enagegemnts' and the history lesson becomes rather ugly
11:05 <@TheLightCosine> hell you could make a wheel with any south american country on it and just give it a spin
11:05 <@TheLightCosine> a lot of south east asia too
11:05 <@polerin> Corydon76-dig: no, but that was a straight up invasion
11:05 <@M0j0-j0j0> miniMerc: but the longer you are in here without going off the deep end about something the more people will put up with it when you do
11:06 <@M0j0-j0j0> pick the battles
11:06 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: so you admit that Panama was not a war.  I accept your apology
11:06 < miniMerc> M0j0-j0j0: yeah, im putting in time
11:06 <@polerin> miniMerc: Yes, you so "own" me in debate by saying I'm stupid
11:06 < miniMerc> polerin: shh
11:06 <@M0j0-j0j0> and by pick I don't mean all of them
11:06 <@TheLightCosine> miniMerc: not trying to start an argument here, but reverting to calling someone a hippy is not 'owning' a debate =P
11:06 < miniMerc> ... i didnt call anyone a hippy
11:06 <@polerin> Corydon76-dig: no, it was a war.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_invasion_of_Panama
11:07 <@polerin> Bush himself claimed that panama had declared war
11:07 <@M0j0-j0j0> TheLightCosine: that was fie
11:07 < miniMerc> i could point out that at one time, before most of you were alive, communism was a dire threat to most of the world, and that korea and vietnam were not "caused" by us, anymore than we "caused" iraq 1 by defending kuwait
11:07 < miniMerc> and yes
11:07 < miniMerc> we defended it for oil
11:07 <@M0j0-j0j0> TheLightCosine: he inferred it which isn't the same thing at all
11:07 < miniMerc> the whole world needs oil
11:07 < miniMerc> dictators shouldnt own oil
11:07 < miniMerc> and hold the free world at their mercy
11:07 <@TheLightCosine> M0j0-j0j0: ah my mistake
11:08 < miniMerc> k thats all im saying
11:08 < miniMerc> STOP TROLLING ME YOU EVIL COMMUNISTS :(
11:08 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: according to that link, the US was defending its personnel from an act of agression
11:08 <@TheLightCosine> yes, us corporations should own it and hold the whole world at THEIR mercy!
11:08 <@TheLightCosine> muahahaha
11:08 <@polerin> Corydon76-dig: isn't that what the victors always say?
11:08 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: it's your citation, not mine
11:08 <@M0j0-j0j0> communism was a tool.. just like terrorism was for the Bush administration
11:09 <@polerin> Corydon76-dig: seriously, what real aggression could panama give the US to really harm it.
11:09 < miniMerc> TheLightCosine: well someone's gotta control it, what do you want...corporations, islamists, nationalist dictators, or maybe the kids from sesame street
11:09 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: Killing US nationals?
11:09 <@M0j0-j0j0> make people afraid so that they can be controlled
11:09 <@polerin> Islamists? what the hell is an islamist
11:09 <@polerin> Corydon76-dig: and that's not done the world over?
11:09 < miniMerc> i know, we'll get sesame street to control the oil!
11:09 < miniMerc> polerin: look it up
11:09 <@polerin> miniMerc: define it.  It's a bullshit propaganda word.
11:09 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: when a government does it, it's considered an act of war
11:09 < miniMerc> haha
11:09 < miniMerc> you know what it is
11:09 <@TheLightCosine> he means muslim =P
11:09 < miniMerc> you're just starting shit :)
11:09 <@polerin> it's a dogwhistle.
11:09 <@Dolemite> The Count can keep track of how many barrels of oil they ship
11:09 < miniMerc> hahahaha
11:10 <@polerin> Dolemite: lol
11:10 <@TheLightCosine> lol dole
11:10 < miniMerc> <@polerin> Islamists? what the hell is an islamist <-- disingenuous bullshit
11:10 <@polerin> Corydon76-dig: again, done the world over.
11:10 < miniMerc> Dolemite: ha ha ha! one barrel of oil! two barrels of oil!
11:10 < miniMerc> ok im really getting out now
11:10 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: You've just conceded the argument
11:10 <@polerin> miniMerc: no, serious.  I was asking you to define what you consider an "islamist" because that word didn't exist until it oozed up from the echo chamber.
11:11 <@polerin> miniMerc: nor have I ever heard anyone define themself as an islamist.
11:11 < miniMerc> no comment
11:11 <@M0j0-j0j0> miniMerc: good luck with that
11:11 < miniMerc> no damned comment
11:11 < miniMerc> NOT ONE
11:11 <@polerin> Corydon76-dig: no, I haven't.  I said it was a war, and that it was our doing.
11:11 <@M0j0-j0j0> miniMerc: I'm going to lunch so I'll stop trolling you back into the conv.
11:11 <@TheLightCosine> polerin: he is genuinely trying to let this one drop, just let him do it
11:11 < miniMerc> M0j0-j0j0: you bastard
11:11 < miniMerc> M0j0-j0j0: well, one less is better than nothing
11:11 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: But clearly, if they're killing our nationals, it's their aggression, not ours
11:12 < miniMerc> just meditate about flowers dude
11:12 < miniMerc> its the only way
11:12 < miniMerc> cant you understand
11:12 < miniMerc> that children are our future
11:12 < miniMerc> teach them well and let them lead the way
11:12 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: so you've conceded the argument
11:12 < miniMerc> show them all the beauty they possess inside
11:12 <@polerin> bush CLAIMED that these things were going on.
11:12 < miniMerc> give them a sense of pride
11:12 <@polerin> no, I have not.
11:12 <@M0j0-j0j0> *yawn*
11:12 <@TheLightCosine> if children are our future, then judging from the current lot of high school kids i see running around, we're all fucked
11:12 <@M0j0-j0j0> stir the pot... leave.... stir the pot... leave
11:12 < miniMerc> to make it easier
11:13 <@Dementia> Every generation thinks that
11:13 < miniMerc> let the children's laughter
11:13 < miniMerc> remind us how we used to be
11:13 <@polerin> Corydon76-dig: they can be killing our nationals in response to multiple things, and if you look further into the article, you'll see things aren't as clear cut as you're attempting to portray them as
11:13 <@Corydon76-dig> TheLightCosine: Odd, I never see high school kids running around
11:13 < miniMerc> M0j0-j0j0: i decided long ago, never to walk in anyones shadow
11:13 <@TheLightCosine> Dementia: yeah, but can you honestly say we are not getting statistically dumber as a country?
11:13 < miniMerc> M0j0-j0j0: if i fail, if i succeed...at least i know what i believe
11:13 <@polerin> no, actually I don't think we can
11:13 <@Dementia> That, admittedly, we seem to be.
11:13 < miniMerc> M0j0-j0j0: no matter what they take from me, they cant take away my dignity
11:13 <@TheLightCosine> Corydon76-dig: please don't set me up for jokes that will only get me banned =P
11:14 <@M0j0-j0j0> miniMerc: because nothing from nothing leaves nothing
11:14 <@polerin> TheLightCosine: this dynamic has existed in every generation.  Goering remarked on it when he was in prison
11:14 <@polerin> http://thinkexist.com/quotes/hermann_goering/
11:14 <@polerin> top quote.
11:15 <@polerin> It applies to things other than war as well
11:15 <@polerin> and if you look, we are better educated as a population now, though I think thinks like logic and rhetoric should really become part of the general curriculum again
11:16  * miniMerc bites on a stick and knocks himself out with a beer bottle
11:16 <@polerin> but we are still human, and the general population is still very susceptible to propaganda of various types
11:17 <@polerin> the most prevalent right now being corporate advertising
11:17 <@TheLightCosine> i had an english class where the teacher started a chapter called "The art of argument"
11:17 <@TheLightCosine> but it was just aristotle's rheotirc dumbed down and with stupid names
11:17 <@TheLightCosine> she got mad when i started arguing with her
11:17 <@TheLightCosine> i finally threw my hands up and said "Have you even read aristotle" her response was "what does that have to do with anything?"
11:18 <@Dementia> My other assumption is that we just hear about the stupidity more because that's what the media knows will get ratings.
11:18 <@TheLightCosine> i thoguht my head would explode
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11:18 <@TheLightCosine> my brother got jeered in a public place because he and his wife were celebrating his obtaining his phD
11:19 <@TheLightCosine> "I didn't even get a high school diploma!" "Yeah go somewhere else professor"
11:19 <@TheLightCosine> that kinda shit
11:19 <@polerin> TheLightCosine: that crap's been there forever
11:19 <@TheLightCosine> it was mindblowing
11:19 <@polerin> though yes, there is a specific element pandering to it right now
11:19 <@TheLightCosine> maybe it is just my perception of it
11:19 <@TheLightCosine> i mean i still get shocked everytime I hear someone proudly say that they can't read
11:20 <@polerin> talking about elitists and intellectuals
11:20 <@Dementia> ...they do that?
11:20 <@polerin> I've never heard anyone be proud of that
11:20 <@TheLightCosine> I have
11:20 <@TheLightCosine> many times
11:20 <@Dementia> Where are you again?
11:20 <@TheLightCosine> TN now
11:20 <@TheLightCosine> but i grew up in PA
11:20 <@Dementia> My 9 yrs in TN and I never heard that
11:20 <@polerin> I've never heard anyone at all do that
11:20 <@polerin> yeah
11:20 <@polerin> only people I've ever heard say that have been extremely ashamed of it
11:21 <@polerin> to the point they are ashamed to get help
11:21 <@polerin> anecdotal, but yeah.
11:21 <@TheLightCosine> I don't mean like can;t read, like doesn't know how to read "see spot run"
11:21 <@TheLightCosine> i mean like functional literacy
11:21 <@polerin> define functional literacy
11:22 <@polerin> because I'm not sure we are meaning the same thing when we use that word
11:22 <@polerin> s/word/phrase
11:22 <@Dementia> I don't understand people like that. We didn't get to the moon and we didn't get the world explored, mapped and populated because we were stupid as a people.
11:22 <@TheLightCosine> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Functional_illiteracy
11:23 <@Dementia> So they can read street signs, but not books.
11:23 <@TheLightCosine> or even newspaper articles
11:23 <@Dementia> Right.
11:23 <@TheLightCosine> yes
11:24 <@polerin> so you are saying that they are functionally literate, but not able to read at a "normal" level?
11:24 <@polerin> ok, I think i was just confused by your phrasing surrounding the word.
11:24 <@TheLightCosine> I would class that as being functionally illiterate
11:24 <@polerin> I thought you were saying "see spot run" wasn't functionally literate
11:24 <@TheLightCosine> you may have the ability to survive
11:24 <@TheLightCosine> but how do you actually function as anything but a menial albourer?
11:26 <@polerin> yeah, ok, we are on the same basic page, it was just phrasing
11:26 <@Dementia> Well, you could probably become quite a skilled tradesman even without literacy. A plumber, for example. As long as you can read numbers and schematics.
11:26 <@polerin> someone that can read simple sentences but cannot do any more than that.  I've still never heard anyone be proud of that
11:28 <@TheLightCosine> i have back in pa
11:28  * polerin shrugs
11:28 <@polerin> stupid people are stupid
11:28 <@polerin> that doesn't mean the culture as a whole is stupid
11:28 <@polerin> or rather, that we are becoming MORE stupid
11:28 <@TheLightCosine> we pander more each year to stupidity though
11:28 <@polerin> we do?
11:28 <@Dementia> Yeah... we still manage to somehow keep complicated information networks running
11:28 <@polerin> I'm not so sure about that.
11:29 <@TheLightCosine> sure, look at the decline of print media for instance, especially books, look at the rise in TV consumtpion
11:29 <@TheLightCosine> hell look at any forums, and see how much more we have enabled and even rewarded stupidity
11:29 <@polerin> I would say there is a large market for lowest common denominator entertainment, but that's been around for a long time.  It's just more skilled now.
11:30 <@polerin> the decline of print media can be attributed to many things, though I would agree about books
11:30 <@polerin> but books were popular simply because they were the primary and traditional means of information transmission and storage for a long time.
11:30 <@polerin> since the press was invented.
11:31 <@polerin> we are now transmitting and storing information in other ways.  TV and other visual mediums are not necessarily pandering to stupidity.  though, unfortunately, I think it IS prevalent.
11:33 <@TheLightCosine> oh come on look at the way TV has changed
11:33 <@TheLightCosine> even sitcoms have debased themselves to nothing but crude sex and fart jokes pretty much
11:34 <@TheLightCosine> almost every show that requires more than 4 braincells ahs been relegated to a 'specialty' channel
11:34 <@polerin> sitcoms have never exactly been the bastion of intellectualism
11:35 <@TheLightCosine> If i could just pick up discovery, history, a&e, and myabe like TNT and sci-fi it would be all the channels i need
11:35 <@brimstone> *SyFy
11:35 <@TheLightCosine> bah stupid rename
11:36 <@TheLightCosine> i mean even the simpsons
11:36 <@TheLightCosine> the simpson several years ago had some sort of lobotomy
11:36 <@TheLightCosine> it hasn't been funny in probably 8 or more years now
11:40 <@TheLightCosine> I just can't help but feel like we're regressing
11:40 <@TheLightCosine> the seperation of intelligence and education out into an "elite" upper class
11:40 <@polerin> well, that I can agree with
11:40 <@TheLightCosine> don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to say every single eprson in the country is getting dumber
11:41 <@TheLightCosine> i'm just saying the gap is growing at an alarming rate
11:41 <@polerin> actually I don't think that we as a country are
11:41 < fie> TheLightCosine, I wasn't debating?
11:41 <@TheLightCosine> hush you, nobody's speaking to you =P
11:42 < fie> I just posted a retarded picture of obama and I called him a hippie and told him to go back to california.
11:42 <@polerin> I think that our culture has strong elements of anti-intellectualism in it, which has been used and exacerbated for many interests, with the media industry chief among them.
11:42 <@polerin> which is also why I think that people are turning away from big media.
11:43 <@TheLightCosine> that and you can't believe anything big media says
11:55 <@TheLightCosine> quittin time
11:55 <@TheLightCosine> yay 4 day weekend!
11:57 <@polerin> bah
12:06 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: the election of Obama signalled an end to the anti-intellectualism
12:07 <@Corydon76-dig> because Bush was the ultimate anti-intellectual, and he fucked this country royally
12:11 <@polerin> Corydon76-dig: I don't know about an end to it, I think it shows that there's a good amount of the population who's not happy with the way the country was run, and obama was a break from that.  The anti-intellectualism that I was referring too wasn't so much of the populace, but rather that of segments of the media and other establishments.
12:12 <@polerin> And I'm pretty sure they haven't really stopped, but they have toned it down a bit in some sectors.
12:14 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: it's called Fox News
12:16 <@Corydon76-dig> and you're right about toning it down.  Did you see the clip with Shepard Smith exploding about right wing pundits trying to justify torture?
12:18 <@Corydon76-dig> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjCzfGm0njM
12:19 <@polerin> Corydon76-dig: it's not just them.  The rest of the MSM is pretty complicit in the dumbing down of news as well
12:19 <@polerin> and it's not just news
12:19 <@polerin> it's cartoons, sitcoms, etc, all of that which TLC mentioned above.
12:20 <@polerin> it's easier to report if your audience is stupid :P
12:26  * miniMerc stares
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12:39 < aestetix> stupid perl question: trying to upload a file, it keeps creating a 0 byte file and not uploading anything
12:39 < aestetix> Using a web form to do the upload.
12:40 < aestetix> Anything I should be checking? enctype is multipart/form-data, etc
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12:43 <@Corydon76-dig> aestetix: which library?
12:45 < aestetix> Corydon76-dig: CGI
12:45 < aestetix> and using binary mode
12:47 <@Corydon76-dig> aestetix: are you stripping the leading path from the filename?
12:48 < aestetix> What do you mean?
12:48 <@Corydon76-dig> IE especially encodes the full C:\\ path in the filename.
12:48 < aestetix> Ah.
12:48 < aestetix> Well, it creates the filename properly in the upload directory
12:48 < aestetix> just has no data in the file
12:49 < aestetix> So I'm assuming yes
12:49 <@Corydon76-dig> Space on the filesystem?
12:49 < aestetix> Plenty.
12:50 <@Corydon76-dig> To be safe, use the upload() function (new in version 2.47).  When called with the name of an upload field, upload() returns a filehandle, or undef if
12:50 <@Corydon76-dig>        the parameter is not a valid filehandle.
12:51 < aestetix> Right.
12:52 < aestetix> to be accurate, assuming my $query = new CGI; my $filehandle = $query->upload('upload_file');
12:52 <@Corydon76-dig> right
12:54 <@Corydon76-dig> I dunno, maybe the file wasn't synced to disk
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12:55 < miniMerc> no read rights
12:57 <@Corydon76-dig> miniMerc: If the process is able to create the file, then permissions shouldn't matter
12:57 < miniMerc> Corydon76-dig: he has write access remotely
12:58 < miniMerc> Corydon76-dig: the pipe is opened and file created before local file is read
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12:58 <@Corydon76-dig> Yeah, but it's created by the same process as is trying to read it
12:58 < miniMerc> which explains why its 0 bytes
12:58 <@Corydon76-dig> and a stat(2) returns a 0 filesize
12:59 < miniMerc> actually im just guessing, i doubt thats it, but its better than what you came up with
12:59 < miniMerc> full filesystem?
12:59 < miniMerc> looooool
12:59 < miniMerc> (dont ban me im just messin with ya)
12:59 < miniMerc> a full filesystem wouldnt even hold the inode for an empty file
12:59 < aestetix> *thinks* uploading a binary file, from a web form...
12:59 < miniMerc> so, ya
12:59 < aestetix> As far as I can see, we're doing everything in accordance with the CGI.pm specs
13:00 < miniMerc> you know what you need?
13:00 < miniMerc> RUBY ON RAILS!
13:00 < aestetix> Ok. Now, how about some realistic suggestions?
13:00 <@Corydon76-dig> miniMerc: depends upon the filesystem.  On Linux, the number of inodes are allocated at filesystem creation, so you can create a file, even if no data blocks are allocated to it
13:01 < aestetix> Cause right now you sound like the kid who comes into the Windows office and suggests all the servers get switched to linux.
13:01 <@Corydon76-dig> Rather, on Linux ext2 and ext3
13:01 < miniMerc> i dont even know what ruby on rails is
13:01 < aestetix> I don't think it's a matter of running out of inodes..
13:01 <@Corydon76-dig> On xfs and jfs, you're right
13:01 < miniMerc> i just think the name is gay
13:01 < miniMerc> so i suggested it
13:02 < aestetix> I can't help but to think I've run into this before.
13:04 <@Corydon76-dig> aestetix: A while back, I wrote my own ultra-light CGI library, so I generally handle the entire file in memory
13:04 <@Corydon76-dig> Hence why I'm not really all that familiar with CGI.pm
13:04  * aestetix nods
13:04 <@Corydon76-dig> It was a little more complex than cgi-lib.pl, though
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13:15 <@tzanger> heh
13:15 <@tzanger> "are you looking at the code that I left behind for ${company}?"
13:15 <@tzanger> "yes"
13:15 <@tzanger> "you shouldn't. I didn't get paid for it."
13:16  * aestetix sighs
13:16 < aestetix> I told the original dev of this code to try it out on another server, just to make sure it's not a configuration issue.
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13:16 <@Dolemite> ha!
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13:16 < aestetix> awww
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13:17 <@Dolemite> ick.  I feel violated.
13:17 < miniMerc> welcome to bacon lung!
13:17  * Corydon76-dig slathers on the bunny saliva
13:21 < miniMerc> now we all feel violated
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13:24 < ware> http://lolwigger.com/
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13:41 <@tzanger> ware: haha
13:46 < ware> http://www.geocities.com/icyhotstuntazz/
13:46 < ware> supreme lolz
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13:58 <@polerin> I sneezed in kroger
13:58 <@polerin> you've never seen so many people just freak the fuck out
13:58 <@polerin> XD
13:58 <@Dolemite> on the fruits and vegetables?
13:58 < I-MOD> lol
14:00 <@polerin> nah
14:00 <@polerin> I was in line
14:01 <@polerin> grabbed a towel and then sanitized my hands afterwards but people were still flipping out
14:01 <@polerin> just my spring allergies acting up
14:03 <@M0j0-j0j0> polerin: I can't believe that you sneeze.  What are you thinking?  Humans aren't allowed to do that any more.  Why don't you get with the program already?
14:03 <@M0j0-j0j0> sneezing is SO last week
14:05 < miniMerc> ya dont be a noob
14:06 < miniMerc> people cough up blood now
14:06 < miniMerc> all the cool kids are doin' it
14:06 < miniMerc> sneezing's for squares
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14:08 <@polerin> yeah... and when did I claim to be cool? :P
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14:10 <@M0j0-j0j0> (Apr 13, 2009 02:14:44) polerin: I'm cool
14:10 <@M0j0-j0j0> :P
14:10 < miniMerc> 02:14 <@polerin> I'm cool
14:10 < miniMerc> yep its in my log too
14:11 <@M0j0-j0j0> .... not that I'm logging everything all of you say in here every minute of every day
14:14 <@sdodson> I am.
14:16 < miniMerc> im wearing a pillow hat
14:16 < miniMerc> anyone can do it
14:16 < miniMerc> just take a pillow and put it on your head
14:16 < miniMerc> ill wait
14:19 < miniMerc> did you do it yet
14:23 <@Dolemite> If I had a pillow I would use it to take a nap
14:24 <@Dolemite> or rather, if I had a pillow *here*
14:24 <@Dementia> agreed
14:24 < miniMerc> i think the only thing keeping me from passing out is hunger
14:24 < miniMerc> as soon as some food hits my stomach, ill be out
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14:50 <@polerin> lol
14:51 <@polerin> what's the context on that quote M0j0-j0j0
14:51 < miniMerc> we've moved on
14:51 < miniMerc> are you wearing a pillow hat
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14:54 <@polerin> yay
14:54 <@polerin> because I'm sleepy
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15:11 < ware> are pigfarts swine flu contaigious?
15:12 <@aestetix> ware: no, you don't have to worry about catching it from your mom
15:13 <@M0j0-j0j0> aestetix: I was going to go the heavy petting zoo route on that one, but yer mom works well too
15:14 <@M0j0-j0j0> as a matter of fact, I would say your mom worked very well
15:15 <@M0j0-j0j0> she works hard for the money so you better treat her right
15:16 < ware> so hard for the money
15:16 < ware> ddos comin
15:16 < ware> aestetix doesnt have a mom :( hes a testtube baby
15:18 <@aestetix> sigh
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15:18 <@aestetix> at my last job
15:19 <@polerin> GAH
15:19 <@aestetix> we were working with a guy who had a PhD in computer science
15:19 <@polerin> UPS better get here soon
15:19 <@aestetix> but he couldn't handle yo mamma jokes
15:20 <@M0j0-j0j0> yeah, people that get mad about yo mamma jokes kill me... it's not 1980 ... get over it already
15:21 < ware> urmumz
15:21 < ware> im fngrbngng her
15:21 <@aestetix> with all three of your fingers?
15:21 <@M0j0-j0j0> and for anyone who hasn't already tried it... streaming mp3s over ssh doesn't seem to work out as well as you might thing
15:21 < ware> lol nice
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15:39 < miniMerc> you know why they call it e-mail
15:39 < miniMerc> cuz its electronic
15:40 < ware> tech-nol-i-gic
15:46 <@nachoguy> su-per-son-ic
15:58 < ware> aight h0ez! im off to colorado! hopefully wont get eat'd by a bear lulz
15:58 < ware> be back sunday night
15:58  * sdodson rocks out with some radio head
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16:33 <@M0j0-j0j0> has anyone seen dc0de?
16:33 <@sdodson> NO WHERE IS HE?!
16:33 <@sdodson> M0j0-j0j0: check his facebook, he updates atleast one a minute
16:43 <@Catonic> bored as fuck
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16:57 <@M0j0-j0j0> I guess I'm out.   Good news is that starting tomorrow I can get back to the gymz again
16:57 <@M0j0-j0j0> peace
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17:06 <@Evilpig> if you aren't willing to sign a long contract with comcrap they rape you on install fees
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18:01 <@sasquatc4> sweet, w00t myvu glasses showed up
18:01 <@sasquatc4> definietly alot better pic than i was expecting
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18:11 <@brimstone> which model?
18:11 <@sasquatc4> just the regular solo plus, so only 320x240, but perfectly fine for traveling
18:11 <@sasquatc4> i was expectin it to look pretty shitty, but tested it on the sat box and it looks just fine for sd
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18:29 <@NotLarry> Cool,wow plays on an Aspire one
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18:30 < miniMerc> NotLarry: kinda surprising. i got a mini about 2 weeks ago
18:31 < miniMerc> NotLarry: wouldnt think it would do too well...course i guess it'd be low resolution, anyway...
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19:21 < miniMerc> anyone wanna recommend the most common lightweight little tool for doing simple wav file editing?
19:21 < miniMerc> only one i know well is audacity
19:21 < miniMerc> but i dunno if i need all that
19:22 < miniMerc> fuck it ill use audacity
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19:53 < uSynx> you guys use anything special to do data back, i would like to be able to do automated backups from both windows and my linux box to a remote linux server in an automated fashion for windows, for linux i can automate rsync not a big deal
20:14 <@brimstone> uSynx: bacula
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20:22 < [1NF0]> we are looking at this quite closely at work: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822102028
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20:49 <@Evilpig> polerin: ping.  do you still have any ties at comcrap?
21:11 <@polerin> depends
21:11 <@polerin> what's up.
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21:40 <@Evilpig> how wide is a queen size bed?  anyone know off hand?  
21:41 < [1NF0]> can tell ya in a bit
21:41 < [1NF0]> 5 feet
21:41 <@Dagmar> I've got one, but all I can really say is "queen sized"
21:42 <@Evilpig> 4' x 8' trailer
21:42 <@Evilpig> 2 days of use included
21:42 <@Dagmar> Pretty sure it can be wider than 5"
21:42 <@Evilpig> I have a queen sized tempurpedic
21:42 < [1NF0]> enclosed trailer? or just flatbed?
21:42 <@Dagmar> My wingspan is baout 6 ft and I can lie on my bed and just barely dangle a hand over each side
21:42 <@Evilpig> it's fuckin' big anyhow.  trying to figure out if it will fit in a standard uhaul trailor
21:42 <@Evilpig> enclosed
21:43 <@Dagmar> You can't disassemble the bed?
21:43 <@Dagmar> Most frames come right apart
21:43 <@Evilpig> I can.  trying to figure out if I can fit washer and drier and shit in there as well.  but the trailer doesn't have the height on it
21:43 <@Dagmar> They're usually 8 ft
21:44 <@Dagmar> UHaul would be able to tell you from a phone call tho
21:44 <@Evilpig> Door opening: 3'1" x 3'5" (WxH)
21:44 <@Dagmar> That doesn't seem right at all
21:45 <@Evilpig> http://www.hammanfarms.com/u-haul.htm
21:45 <@Evilpig> Dimensions Inside dimensions: 8'1" x 4'1" x 4' (LxWxH)
21:46 <@Dagmar> You're just getting a trailer and not a whole truck?
21:46 <@Evilpig> the truck is gonna be $210 just for the milage
21:46 <@Dagmar> Considering the distance and volume have you considered hiring movers?
21:47 <@Evilpig> yeah.  but i'm also a cheap bitch
21:47 <@Dagmar> I'm cheap, but I'm more lazy than I am cheap
21:47 <@Dagmar> Moving my shit is pretty much "ordeal" status
21:47 <@Dagmar> I hire people
21:47 <@Dagmar> Especially now that I own couches and stuff
21:48 <@Dagmar> Can't find my copy of the @#$@ lease
21:48 <@Dagmar> THe property owner wants to kick the leasing agency out of the deal, and she's telling me to just not talk to them anymore
21:48 <@Evilpig> well see while I prefer that whole hire some douchebag minimum wage grunt to move my shit.  I also have this slight funds problem and again goes back to the do it yourself cause it's cheaper
21:48 <@Dagmar> I've no problem with paying her directly to avoid screwing up a mortgage payment, but I gotta check the lease before I ignore the property management company
21:49 <@Dagmar> Ah
21:49 <@Dagmar> So, you like Ed?
21:50 <@Evilpig> old biker guy?  he seems nice enough
21:50 <@Dagmar> Yep.  He knows just about everything to do with the physical stuff in the building
21:50 <@Dagmar> ...HVAC and wiring included
21:51 <@Dagmar> ALmost a shame Pat was out sick, becuase she's knows *all* the Scantron stuff
21:52 <@Evilpig> she was in today
21:52 <@Dagmar> Ah good
21:52 <@Dagmar> Excellent time, too
21:52 <@Evilpig> we did quite a bit of that.  
21:52 <@Dagmar> LOTS of scannig coming in
21:52 <@Evilpig> that is what scott said
21:52 <@Dagmar> Yeah I did a bunch last night
21:53 <@Dagmar> The only thing you gotta worry about there, I'm sure you've already been warned about
21:53 <@Dagmar> Well, _Ed_ might not have warned you, but Pat would.
21:53 <@Dagmar> "Rose"
21:53 <@Dagmar> You want to avoid that woman.
21:53 <@Evilpig> already met the crotchety old thing, I believe
21:53 <@Dagmar> Something's wrong with her, and she *will* try to pick a fight with you
21:53 <@Evilpig> "I do NOT want individual student reports"
21:54 <@Evilpig> ?
21:54 <@Dagmar> Nah, that's Ms. Kendrick
21:54 <@Dagmar> SHe's actually a nice lady, she just doesn't like the waste of paper that particular report creates
21:54 <@Evilpig> then havne't met her yet
21:54 <@Dagmar> I'm not exaggerating about ROse.
21:54 <@Dagmar> She *will* try and piss people off on purpose
21:54 < [1NF0]> better than pissing /on/ them
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21:55 <@Dagmar> If you have contact with her, consider it a complete win if she doesn't file a complaint with HR
21:55 <@Dagmar> She'll insult and belittle everyone and everything in sight.
21:56 <@Dagmar> DAmn it looks like ther's literally *no* cheap Flash animation tools
21:56 <@Dagmar> I wonder what our edu discount on MX or whatever they're calling it now is
21:58 <@Dementia> A queen bed is typically 60"x80"
21:59 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: i'll bring you fireworks next week
21:59 <@Dagmar> OKay
21:59 <@Dagmar> I found another tool last night that is half-engrish and ludicrously hard to work with
21:59 <@Evilpig> should I be surprised tha tI asked someone on this channel about money, privately, and they disappear?
22:01 <@Dementia> hmm... no
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22:06 <@Evilpig> okay I am gonna go get in bed.  night
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22:25 <@Dagmar> http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=710
22:25 <@Dagmar> Lookin' like it might be what I go with for the display
22:47 <@aestetix> beauty is reading an analysis of the conflicker virus/worm
22:47 <@aestetix> and then overhearing a conversation with a coworker you don't like who got infected with it
22:48 < dasunt> I'm old.
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23:44 < dasunt> Why is everyone quiet?
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