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02:42 < miniMerc> i just ate a shitload of lasagna
02:42 < miniMerc> im not sorry either
06:06 <@m0j0-j0j0> oh, you will be
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06:49 <@Evilpig> ugh.  daylight
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07:12 <@sdodson> hi
07:12 <@brimstone> sdodson: none of that
07:16 <@sdodson> brimstone: :( why you up so early?
07:17 <@brimstone> this is my normal time foo
07:18 <@brimstone> got to make da monies
07:19 <@TheLightCosine> and the donuts
07:24 <@TheLightCosine> brimstone: : you always seem to have the answers to my wierd questions
07:25 <@brimstone> Gettysburg
07:25 <@TheLightCosine> how could i go about inputting an unpritable charchter into a windows command line argument?
07:25 <@brimstone> hold down the alt key and use the numpad to type it's ascii code?
07:26 <@TheLightCosine> i'm gunna cry if it's really that easy...
07:26  * brimstone hands TheLightCosine a tissue
07:26 <@TheLightCosine> i have a datastream that starts with a x05 which is a nonprintable charachter
07:27 <@brimstone> http://www.irongeek.com/alt-numpad-ascii-key-combos-and-chart.html
07:28 <@TheLightCosine> ah but i dun have the ascii code, i only have the hex
07:28 <@brimstone> ..
07:28 <@brimstone> the hex is 05?
07:28 <@TheLightCosine> yes
07:28 <@brimstone> the ascii would be, brace yourself, 005
07:29 <@TheLightCosine> hrm doesn't work
07:29 <@TheLightCosine> gr
07:29 <@brimstone> try it with something like 065
07:29 <@TheLightCosine> it puts a marker there of sorts, but it doesn't recognise it as being the correct char when trying to view the data stream
07:30 <@brimstone> maybe 0005 and 0065?
07:30 <@TheLightCosine> oh wait
07:30 <@TheLightCosine> hold on i had a typo
07:30 <@brimstone> dunno the difference between OEM and Windows incoded
07:30 <@brimstone> *encoded
07:31 <@TheLightCosine> erf still not recognising it
07:41  * TheLightCosine is trying to access a native windows alternate data stream
07:41 <@TheLightCosine> but the filename is prefixed with an x05
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09:38 <@GodFix> Hotel Party in my room tonight, The Hilton on Peachtree Dunwoody in ATL
09:39 <@oddball> So, we apparently just hired a woman with the last name Poindexter.
09:47 < ware> "right fist"
09:49 < Falun> GodFix: any particular reason?
09:51 <@Corydon76-dig> He wants an audience for when he takes another John Holmes dildo up his ass
09:55 <@nachoguy> mr0nin
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10:01 <@polerin> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWF4x01MkzE
10:01 <@polerin> what the hell?
10:01 <@polerin> if a cop ever hugged me i'd be freaked the fuck out
10:03 <@nachoguy> hey Corydon, the Google Summer of Code person that's reporting to you seems to be doing the same thing that the gSoC person reporting to Russel is
10:03 <@nachoguy> at least, I can't tell the difference from the description
10:05 <@GodFix> nope, just in town for a training class and have a Suite at the Hilton. Need something to do at night,
10:08 <@Corydon76-dig> nachoguy: opposite directions of data movement
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10:12 <@M0j0-j0j0> damn it... vpn.. brb
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10:28 <@nachoguy> Corydon, cool.  Looking forward to seeing what comes out of it
10:29 < eryc> i like opensips better
10:29 < eryc> is gsoc going to make it more like that
10:30 <@Corydon76-dig> Asterisk is not a proxy
10:38 <@Corydon76-dig> "I like Apples more than Oranges.  Is gsoc going to make my Orange into an Apple?"
10:41 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
10:43 <@nachoguy> mr0nin big pimpin
10:44 <@nachoguy> Corydon, as one of my coworkers likes to say "I do not go to chinese place for burrito"
10:44 <@TheLightCosine> how the fuck can it take someone two weeks to just "start to understand" how ldap queries work
10:44 <@TheLightCosine> it's just fucking And/Or logic!
10:44 <@TheLightCosine> my 2 year old could do it!
10:44 <@Corydon76-dig> TheLightCosine: RPN?
10:44 <@TheLightCosine> rpn?
10:44 <@Corydon76-dig> Reverse Polish Notation
10:45 <@Corydon76-dig> Or no, I guess it would be RRPN
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10:45 <@Corydon76-dig> since the operator comes first and not last
10:45 <@nachoguy> it took me a couple hours to get the whole tree databse concept down (from wtf is an LDAP to oh, I get it)
10:45 <@TheLightCosine> yeah
10:45 <@TheLightCosine> but he isn't getting it after two weeks
10:45 <@nachoguy> the two Rs cancel, it's just PN
10:46 <@Corydon76-dig> nachoguy: sweet, would you like to help me fix the res_config_ldap issues, then?
10:46 <@Corydon76-dig> Our "maintainer" has done a whole lot of nothing over the past 6 months
10:46 <@TheLightCosine> he keeps thinknig that for example just putting parens around a group of attributes will and them together
10:47 <@TheLightCosine> he doesn't put an & anywhere at all!
10:47 <@TheLightCosine> like he thinks fucking magic pixies will sprinkle their fairie dust and make it work
10:47 <@TheLightCosine> arrrrg!
10:47 <@nachoguy> Corydon, I'm not much for C code.  I can read it, sometimes debug/patch it, but writing it?  There's going to be a lot of memory/resource leaks
10:48 <@Corydon76-dig> Memory and resource leaks I can deal with
10:48 <@Dolemite> ok, looks like the crontab issue finally got resolved with planet.nashville2600.org
10:48 <@TheLightCosine> ldap(at least in regards to AD) is really easy
10:48 <@Dolemite> it updated automagically since yesterday
10:49 <@Corydon76-dig> It's keeping the ldif file updated with what I need to see from the server
10:49 <@TheLightCosine> the only thing i could see being confusing is the way you walk the directory, but as long as you think of it in terms of a hierarchy you're fine
10:49 <@nachoguy> I'm guessing from the name res_config_ldap that this is to pull info from an ldap server.  What are you trying to store there? SIp peers, dial plans?
10:50 <@Corydon76-dig> And I need an LDIF file for every single realtime resource, I suspect
10:50 <@Corydon76-dig> nachoguy: any and all of the above
10:50 <@Corydon76-dig> and the realtime backends grow with time
10:51 <@Corydon76-dig> In 1.6, there's a completely new realtime structure for meetme
10:51 <@M0j0-j0j0> DIAF files
10:51 <@Corydon76-dig> and I'd also like for res_config_ldap to implement the require method
10:52 <@Corydon76-dig> (validate that a particularly named field exists and can store data of a particular size and type)
10:54 <@nachoguy> I see, that seems like quite a bit of work.  What currently exists?
10:54 <@Corydon76-dig> The ability to query data for single and multiple rows
10:55 <@Corydon76-dig> update probably exists, too
10:55 <@TheLightCosine> GAAAAAH!
10:55 <@TheLightCosine> Curry, Bruce [10:54 AM]:
10:55 <@TheLightCosine> (!userAccountControl:1.2.840.113556.1.4.803:=2) - what does this do?
10:55 <@TheLightCosine> I'm going to strangle him!
11:03 <@M0j0-j0j0> tell him that the =2) is a smiley
11:04 <@nachoguy> yeah, the 2 is a big nose a a scar on one cheek
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11:11 <@TheLightCosine> and this is a guy who has a degree and makes more money than me
11:12 <@TheLightCosine> i swear some days i don't know wether to cry or punch someone in the throat
11:12 <@Drag0n`> so :-E would be Zoidburg?
11:12 <@nachoguy> dragon, or if he's mad, ~:-E
11:12 <@nachoguy> his head fin thing
11:12 <@Drag0n`> and >:-E would be Cthulhu?
11:13 <@nachoguy> ~*~ is the FSM
11:13 <@Drag0n`> hehe
11:13 < miniMerc> {o}
11:15 <@Drag0n`> do we want to know what that is merc?
11:16 < miniMerc> hehehehehehehehe NO
11:31  * polerin blinks
11:32  * miniMerc winks
11:33  * Drag0n` thinks
11:34  * M0j0-j0j0 drinks
11:40 <@Drag0n`> something stinks
11:40 <@Corydon76-dig> jinx
11:40  * ware pinks
11:40 < ware> links
11:41 < ware> dinks
11:41 < ware> kinks
11:41 < ware> sinks
11:41 < miniMerc> two in the pink, one in the stink
11:43 < ware> off to teh clink
11:43 <@nachoguy> Col Klink?
11:46 <@Drag0n`> lets step back from the brink
11:47 <@nachoguy> loose lips cause ships to sink.
11:47 <@Drag0n`> depends on whose and what they are doing
11:48 <@Corydon76-dig> Tight lips can do that too, if they're below the beltline
11:48 <@polerin> :3
11:48 <@polerin> heh
11:48 <@polerin> no comment on lips <_<
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11:53 <@Drag0n`> loose hips sink even more
11:55 <@polerin> always bumping levers
11:55 <@polerin> and hitting self destruct buttons
12:26 < fie> nachoguy, why does your nick look familiar?
12:27 <@brimstone> fie: you've probably screamed for him at a baseball game
12:27 <@nachoguy> Brimmy, entirely possible, you know, if he's a cubs fan.  =>
12:28 <@nachoguy> fie, I dunno, I've been here a while; in fact I'm fairly certain I've talked to you before
12:28 <@nachoguy> different topic, anyone ever use one of those wireless USB extenders?  Do they work ok with linux?
12:29 <@nachoguy> I want to rig up a USB webcam for my front window.  There's a duck nesting there
12:31 <@polerin> nope.  why would that even need drivers?
12:31 <@nachoguy> fie, you look like someone who wants to buy a condo in the Chicagoland area
12:31 <@nachoguy> polerin, there are a lot of thngs that shouldn't need drivers, but do
12:32 < fie> Preparing shipment :O :O :O : O:
12:32 < fie> Tell women to get naked
12:33 < fie> nachoguy, what are you playing at?
12:33 <@nachoguy> I've got a condo to sell
12:33 <@nachoguy> htat's pretty much it
12:33 < fie> 3 dollars?
12:33 < fie> and a blow job?
12:34 <@polerin> :P
12:34 <@nachoguy> nope, it'll cost you more than 3 dollars, and I'm not willing to accept blowjobs as payments
12:34 <@Corydon76-dig> nachoguy: I haven't used wireless, but I have used a USB-to-cat5-backbone connector
12:34 <@nachoguy> not unless I can sign it over to the bank, and they'll accept it
12:35 <@Corydon76-dig> Works fine with no drivers
12:36 <@Corydon76-dig> though I've since replaced that connector with Bluetooth
12:36 <@brimstone> blueteeth!
12:36 <@nachoguy> good backup plan then.  I'm not looking to really run cable to that part of the house, but if there's no other option
12:36 <@nachoguy> hrm, bluetooth webcam, that might work
12:36 <@Drag0n`> what happens when you eat a blackberry? you get a bluetooth?
12:37  * fie blinks
12:37 <@nachoguy> dragon, and lithium poisoning
12:37 < fie> also your insides explode with anger as it tries to get the damn thing to work.
12:37 <@Drag0n`> hehe, bluetooth range is tiny
12:38 <@Corydon76-dig> Depends upon which bluetooth mode
12:38 < fie> <3 my HTC Diamond
12:38 <@Corydon76-dig> I believe you can go up to 50 feet with Bluetooth
12:39 <@brimstone> i could get around my apt with a2dp headphones
12:39 <@brimstone> that's aboot 50'
12:39 <@nachoguy> 50 would work just fine
12:39 <@Corydon76-dig> Ah, Class 1 can do approximately 100 meters
12:39 <@Dagmar> Not as much as you'd think
12:40 <@Dagmar> More than about 30 feet and they start to get staticky
12:40 <@Corydon76-dig> Assuming you aren't illegally amping the output beyond 100mW
12:40 <@Corydon76-dig> Dagmar: Class 1 or Class 2?
12:40 <@Dagmar> I will say this tho, the really annoying thing about Bluetooth is the _latency_
12:40 <@Corydon76-dig> Class 2 suggests a limit of 10 meters, which would be about 30 feet
12:41 <@nachoguy> hrm, wifi cam might just be the best option
12:42 <@brimstone> nachoguy: motion.sf.net can pull mjpeg streams from a lot of popular wifi webcams
12:42 <@brimstone> well, wifi cam
12:42 <@Corydon76-dig> latency shouldn't matter for a webcam, since the data transfer is primarily unidirectional
12:42 <@nachoguy> $80-90 wouldn't be too bad
12:49 <@nachoguy> Brim, thanks for that link, their wiki seems to have a good amount of info about different cams
12:49 <@brimstone> i <3 motion
12:49 <@brimstone> and i <3 uvcvideo
12:50 <@brimstone> dude at work has motion rigged to pull the feeds off a few webcams around his house, detect if there's faces in the frames and email his iphone a video of the events
12:51 <@nachoguy> facial detection too?
12:51 <@nachoguy> sweet!
12:51 <@brimstone> that way his little weiner dog running around the the backyard doesn't trip the cams
12:51 <@nachoguy> does he have cameras that he recommends?
12:51 <@brimstone> facial detection was some other project that he pulled in
12:51 <@brimstone> he's got some like 3yo cams
12:51 <@brimstone> i'd be surprised if you can still find them
12:52 < [1NF0]_Work> Man, I would love a facial recognition thing for our front door IP camera...
12:53  * brimstone makes note to snap a picture of [1NF0]_Work at the next con
12:53 < [1NF0]_Work> ruh roh
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13:17 <@brimstone> nachoguy: i'm suddenly interested in wifi cams, let me know if you find a cheap but good one
13:18  * sdodson ponders simulating EMC SRDF in software
13:18 <@sdodson> Two iSCSI targets pointing to the same physical disk?
13:20 <@brimstone> two targets at the same disk?
13:20 <@brimstone> why would you do that?
13:20 <@sdodson> brimstone: to simulate EMC SRDF
13:20 <@brimstone> targets are the server right?
13:21 <@sdodson> brimstone: Right, idea is to have a "mirror" of the lun to be exported with a different WWN
13:21 <@sdodson> Or perhaps we could actually mirror it using LVM
13:21 <@sdodson> that'd be more legit
13:24 <@brimstone> maybe a little drbd action?
13:28 <@brimstone> wait, so what's SRDF?
13:28  * brimstone watches a video about it
14:05 <@Evilpig> NotLarry: ping
14:07 <@ShadowHntr> sdodson: sounds dangerous.
14:07 <@ShadowHntr> i'm no expert, but it sounds like what you want is more of a clustering solution...
14:07 <@ShadowHntr> um
14:07 <@ShadowHntr> i'm falling behind on my acronyms
14:08 <@ShadowHntr> oh
14:08 <@ShadowHntr> read a brief summary on it
14:08 <@ShadowHntr> never mind
14:19 <@dc0de> hola' from SD...
14:25 <@Drag0n`> south nowhere?
14:25 <@Dolemite> Standard Deviation?
14:25 <@Drag0n`> some dude?
14:27 <@nachoguy> Sexual Deviant ?
14:30 < [1NF0]_Work> Defiant deviant?
14:30 < [1NF0]_Work> oh
15:12 <@sdodson> ShadowHntr: No, I'm not interested in clustering. I'm interested in simulating SRDF which is a DR strategy.
15:12 <@ShadowHntr> ahhhh
15:12 <@ShadowHntr> sdodson: cool. just wondering what the reason behind it was.
15:12 <@ShadowHntr> i just remember somebody talking about something similarly done elsewhere
15:13 <@ShadowHntr> or positing the idea
15:13 <@sdodson> I need to test something we're seeing when booting their DR equipment from multipath HBAs. I don't have that environment but I'd like to simulate it.
15:13 <@ShadowHntr> ahhh
15:14 <@ShadowHntr> i imagine there's a lab environment somewhere that can help you...
15:14 <@sdodson> I am the lab environment.
15:14 <@ShadowHntr> oh
15:14  * ShadowHntr inserts foot in mouth
15:14 <@ShadowHntr> :P
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15:33 <@Dagmar> http://www.wowinsider.com/2009/04/29/player-receives-developer-item-in-the-mail-one-shots-ulduar/
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15:50 < ware> Dagmar: interesting
15:51 <@Dagmar> Effing hilarious
15:51 <@Dagmar> I've got some people trying to say the guy got his whole guild banned
15:51 <@Dagmar> I really doubt it
15:52 <@Dagmar> If they didn't go and list those BoE loots on the AH or something and just stuck with seeing what happens when bosses die, they're in zero trouble.
15:52 <@nachoguy> later
15:52 < fie> Also
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15:52 < fie> "eventing" is the gayest term ever.
15:52 < fie> I hate high society.
15:52 < fie> Also, is it bad if a girl says "you're a silly man"
15:52 < ware> Dagmar: he would be an ally
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15:53 <@Dagmar> So what
15:53 < ware> just saying
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15:53 < ware> people thay play Ally's are stupid ratfuck bitches
15:53 <@Dagmar> Just means there's a higher chance he's not a twelve-year-old Justin Timberlake fan
15:53 < ware> true
15:53 <@Dagmar> ...because all horde players are dipshits who can't handle a fair fight
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15:54 <@Dolemite> You're now a horde player, Dagmar.  lol
15:54 <@Dagmar> Oh yah that would explain why I have two horde toons and seven Alliance toons
15:54 <@Dolemite> I have noticed that on Detheroc, every alliance player that has killed me has been > 10 levels higher than me.  Every "fair fight" I've been in has been an easy kill for me.
15:54 <@Dagmar> I can also easily solve that by deleting the horde toons
15:54 <@brimstone> got any car toons?
15:55 <@Dolemite> The alliance PvP'ers on Detheroc are retards
15:55 <@Dagmar> The horde PvPers are no better
15:55 <@Dagmar> I'm _rather_ sure now that almost all the players on PvP servers are there because they want to avoid fair fights at any price.
15:55 <@M0j0-j0j0> fie: but you are a silly man
15:56 < ware> i hate allys
15:56 < fie> Is that bad?
15:56 <@M0j0-j0j0> fie: no
15:56 < fie> K
15:56 <@M0j0-j0j0> unless she's crying
15:56 < fie> In american beauty Carol was about to get molested all sexy like and she called lester a silly man
15:57 <@M0j0-j0j0> I think being called a silly man is always okay if it comes from a cougar
15:58 <@Dagmar> It depends on how naked the person saying it is.
15:58 <@M0j0-j0j0> or how naked you are
15:58 <@Dagmar> It's inversely proportional to it's imporance.
15:58 < fie> huh
15:58 < ware>  ______     ______    _   _    _    _  _______ ____
15:58 <@Drag0n`> most people who want to PvP in any game dont want a fair fight
15:58 < ware> |  _ \ \   / /  _ \  | \ | |  / \  | |/ / ____|  _ \
15:58 < ware> | |_) \ \ / /| |_) | |  \| | / _ \ | ' /|  _| | | | |
15:58 < ware> |  __/ \ V / |  __/  | |\  |/ ___ \| . \| |___| |_| |
15:59 < ware> |_|     \_/  |_|     |_| \_/_/   \_\_|\_\_____|____(_)
15:59 <@M0j0-j0j0> if at any point you drop trou and she makes any comment about things being funny it's not good
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15:59 < ware> http://doihavepigflu.com/
15:59 <@Drag0n`> the only ones that call for a fair fight, just got ganked
16:01 < fie> Ahhhhhhhhhhh you know how we do you know how we do this is how we do
16:01 <@M0j0-j0j0> doodwheresmypigflu.com
16:02 < miniMerc> known on the street as bacon lung
16:02 < ware> pigfucker?
16:03 < ware> wonder if thats how it started
16:03 < ware> You tried to visit doodwheresmypigflu.com, which is not loading.
16:03 < ware> aids == monkeyfuckers
16:03 < miniMerc> theres a hilarious paragraph about aids in wikipedia
16:03 < miniMerc> hang on
16:04 < ware> bet i can top it
16:04 < miniMerc> (Note: HIV can survive in primates, and is believed to survive for a short time in other species. Should more than one person engage sexually with an animal, there is a risk that HIV may survive long enough in the fluids from an infected person to infect the second person.)
16:04 < miniMerc> so, remember that ware
16:04 < miniMerc> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDS_Misconceptions_and_Conspiracies#Sexual_intercourse_with_an_animal_will_avoid_or_cure_AIDS
16:06 < miniMerc> thats one of the more embarrassing how-i-got-aids stories
16:07 < miniMerc> "well me and some other guys who had aids were gangbanging a horse..."
16:07 < ware> lulz
16:07 < miniMerc> almost as bad as "im gay"
16:07 < ware> giftgiver
16:08 < ware> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giftgiver
16:08 < miniMerc> i showed you that
16:09 < miniMerc> you bugchaser
16:09 < ware> Egypt orders slaughter of all pigs over swine flu
16:09 < ware> rofl
16:09 < ware> oh you did, my bad =/
16:09 < ware> http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jc_pijXYi6E50wDepameI2ZTf9iAD97S7UPG2
16:10 < ware> Dagmar: hahaha -> lusive: I woulda been running through all the alliance major citys killing everyone instead of wasting it on a dungeon
16:11 < ware> that would have been hilarious, re: cheater item
16:13 <@Dagmar> That would have been the sort of malice that could get you a permaban, actually
16:15 < aestetix> hmm
16:15 < aestetix> Am I in the wrong thinking that everyone is overreacting to this swine flu?
16:16 < aestetix> From what I have seen, the numbers just don't add up enough to be bringing up this scare
16:18 <@Dementia> *ding* you are correct sir
16:18 < miniMerc> aestetix: any new flu strain is a cause for concern; its also worse since young healthy people have died (mostly in mexico), whereas most flu strains are only very dangerous to young, elderly, or immune suppressed
16:18 < miniMerc> aestetix: and you have to rememeber, every pandemic starts with a small isolated flare up
16:19 < miniMerc> aestetix: im glad its being taken as seriously as it is, which will probably keep it from getting very bad
16:19 <@Dementia> It could potentially be a pandemic, and the media is glomming onto that
16:19 < miniMerc> if everyone was like "psshhh who cares", it has a better chance of getting out of control
16:19 <@Dementia> agreed, the word is out and people will be more careful, but... srsly, the sky is not falling.
16:19 < miniMerc> Dementia: nod
16:20 < ware> !!!!
16:20 < ware> ima big lil kid and thats okay!
16:20 < ware> my last name's ware and my first name's JAY!
16:20 < miniMerc> also please use the technical term for swine flu, "bacon lung"
16:20 < ware> EVERYBODY NOW!
16:20 < aestetix> miniMerc: good point
16:21 < aestetix> The impression I get from the media is that they want everyone to wear masks to prevent it from spreading
16:22 < miniMerc> many are in mexico
16:22 < miniMerc> i havent gotten that impression in the US
16:22 < miniMerc> there arent that many cases yet
16:22 < miniMerc> no need to wear a mask where theres no flu
16:22 < miniMerc> i read a figure that regular flu kills 30000 people in the US each year
16:23 < miniMerc> mostly old ppl and stuff
16:23 <@Dementia> A mask won't help anyway, afaik... a respirator, maybe
16:23 < miniMerc> Dementia: mask can certainly help
16:23 < ware> also, bacon
16:24 < ware> negative
16:24 <@Dementia> I didn't figure a mask would block that small a particle
16:24 < miniMerc> well it wont
16:24 < miniMerc> but it does block larger particles
16:24 < ware> mask is a placebo, and makes you look dumb, like Evilpig's dog
16:24 < miniMerc> like sputum from a cough
16:24 < miniMerc> etc
16:24 < miniMerc> which has flu in it
16:24 <@Dementia> Ok, so it might help a little, but it's not a panacea
16:24 < miniMerc> i dont think most flu just flies isolated around, it gets passed when someone sneezes and you inhale their snot dollops or whatever
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16:26 <@Dementia> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12517814/
16:45 <@M0j0-j0j0> bacon lung is afraid of the color of blue that the masks always are.  That is why the masks are important.. it has nothing to do with limiting exposure.. it has everything to do with intimidation.
16:46 < miniMerc> on the news mexicans were hanging out green ones
16:46 < miniMerc> no wonder they got hit hard
16:46 <@M0j0-j0j0> besides... who needs a mask to keep a piece of bacon from entering your nose or mouth
16:46 < miniMerc> bacon lung loves green
16:46 < miniMerc> s/hanging/handing
16:47 <@M0j0-j0j0> or maybe bacon lung is colorblind
16:47 < miniMerc> could be
16:48 < miniMerc> science may never know
16:48 <@M0j0-j0j0> because it's magic
16:48 <@M0j0-j0j0> duh
16:50 < miniMerc> i hope obama increases funding for research into virus eyes
16:50 < miniMerc> get some of these questions answered finallyt
16:52 <@M0j0-j0j0> besides tracking volcanoes is just silly... volcanoes don't move.
16:53 <@M0j0-j0j0> except for fie's volcano .. it's silly anyway
16:54 <@brimstone> sdodson: i blame you
16:54 <@brimstone> debian tells me when the preseed file is missing, fedora just smiles and prompts for everything
16:54 <@brimstone> debian > fedora
16:55 < fall0ut> massive hate on any redhat/rpm derived system
16:56 < fall0ut> centos/fedora/redhat can all die in a fire
16:57 < miniMerc> ...
16:57 < Todd> </venter>
16:57 < Todd> no idea where that er came from
16:58 < miniMerc> your subconscious
16:58 < miniMerc> you're secretly obsessed with er
16:58 < Todd> Is that like the number 23?
16:59 < miniMerc> no, those are numbers
16:59 < ware> WOW. GAY.
16:59 < miniMerc> yeah, wow
16:59 < Todd> What about that old harmonica I have in my sock drawer?
17:00 < miniMerc> im drinking beer and im OK with that
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17:00 < Todd> My name is Todd and I'm an alcoholic.
17:02 < miniMerc> Female convicts set up a lucrative business, offering themselves to sailors on a ship sailing from London to Australia in 1789.
17:02 < miniMerc> tonight on PBS: whores
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17:27 <@M0j0-j0j0> ware: you got the gay add-on for WoW?
17:28 <@M0j0-j0j0> I would run fedora if it wasn't for apt v. rpm
17:28 <@M0j0-j0j0> apt > rpm
17:29 <@brimstone> deb > rpm
17:29 <@brimstone> apt > yum M0j0-j0j0
17:30 <@brimstone> deb or dpkg, either
17:31 <@M0j0-j0j0> well, if we want to go to all that synaptic > aptitude > apt-get > yum
17:32 < miniMerc> ive always preferred rpm
17:32 < miniMerc> debian has too many fucking tools and which does what isnt clear
17:32 <@M0j0-j0j0> eye <3 synaptic
17:32 < miniMerc> apt, apt-get, apt-cache, apt-this, apt-that, dpkg
17:33 <@M0j0-j0j0> miniMerc: synaptic is the only one you need... when aptitude breaks it tells you to use synaptic to fix your shit
17:34 <@M0j0-j0j0> I've been waiting for them to come out with an installation package called configuremakemakeinstall for a long time
17:35 < miniMerc> cmmi
17:35 <@M0j0-j0j0> cmmi toilet-src.tgz
17:35 < miniMerc> done plenty of that over the years
17:36 < miniMerc> M0j0-j0j0: sounds vaguely like fleabsd ports
17:36 < miniMerc> which is actually kind of cool
17:36 < miniMerc> not great, but cool
17:37 <@M0j0-j0j0> I like the bsd logo
17:38 <@M0j0-j0j0> we have a guy here who loves bsd and things everything else is crap
17:38 <@M0j0-j0j0> but he doesn't run X11 so I can't say that I can place much value on his assessment of desktop env
17:38 <@ShadowHntr> i like the freebsd logo with the daemon wearing sneakers
17:40 <@M0j0-j0j0> and I don't even thing I want to know how he checks to make sure that the webapps he's writing work
17:40 <@M0j0-j0j0> is there a javascript plug-in for lynx?
17:40 <@ShadowHntr> maybe he just checks for errors in the backend
17:40 <@ShadowHntr> *shrug*
17:41 <@M0j0-j0j0> AdobeSmoke, the text only version of Air
17:41 <@brimstone> M0j0-j0j0: that's just all kinds of wrong
17:41 <@brimstone> "javascript plug-in for lynx"
17:41 <@brimstone> srsly
17:42 <@brimstone> but really, try links2 or elinks
17:45 <@M0j0-j0j0> they need a text browser that renders the page in gecko and then converts it to ascii art
17:47 < miniMerc> im sure its been done
17:47 <@M0j0-j0j0> no doubt
17:47 < miniMerc> there was a text browser than would render images in an xterm
17:47 < miniMerc> which was weird
17:48 < miniMerc> whats that emacs webbrowser, gnus? or uh, no thats something else
17:48 < miniMerc> anyway emacs can do that too
17:48 < miniMerc> iirc
17:48 < miniMerc> probably only xemacs
17:48 <@M0j0-j0j0> amiga-ansi would let you draw pixel perfect pictures using 'cat' if you had all the right escape codes in place
17:49 < miniMerc> <3 amiga
17:49 <@M0j0-j0j0> <3 amiga
17:51 <@M0j0-j0j0> a platform that came with a since of ingenuity.
17:52 < miniMerc> yup
17:53 < miniMerc> decent CLI that wasnt a ripoff of something else (well it had inspirations, but, was still unique)
17:53 < miniMerc> great fuckin games :)
17:53 <@M0j0-j0j0> (because if you didn't like orange, blue, white and black you had to start figuring out how shit worked in a hurry)
17:53 < miniMerc> after my appleII my amiga500 was my first "real computer"
17:54 < miniMerc> first modem i ever had was on my amiga
17:54 < miniMerc> calling BBSes
17:54 <@M0j0-j0j0> my c64 was my first "real" computer
17:54 < miniMerc> well the appleII was real but i was too young/stupid too do much with it
17:55 <@M0j0-j0j0> same with my c54
17:55 < miniMerc> the amiga is where i started learning stuff
17:55 <@M0j0-j0j0> I actually had an A1000 as my "real" machine for about 4 years before I got a 500
17:55 < miniMerc> nod
17:55 < miniMerc> i have friends who had 2ks, 3ks
17:55 <@M0j0-j0j0> then 2000, 600, 1200
17:56 < miniMerc> id still love to have a 1200 to fuck around on
17:56 < miniMerc> networked
17:56 < miniMerc> get one of those cartwheel, catweasel, whatever the fuck it is
17:56 <@M0j0-j0j0> yeah... slip from one to the next and then plip from that one to the next one
17:56 < miniMerc> the thing that'll let you write to amiga floppies
17:56 < miniMerc> no i mean just, get it on the net :)
17:57 < miniMerc> UAE is a pretty cool program but it just aint the same
17:57 <@M0j0-j0j0> well, since we had the one at the end of the line cslip'ed over a modem it was all good
17:57 <@M0j0-j0j0> slow
17:57 <@M0j0-j0j0> but good
17:58 <@M0j0-j0j0> aweb sucked
17:58 < miniMerc> id mainly just load it chockful of games
17:59 <@M0j0-j0j0> that's how I learned to write graphics/games/demos and started learning physics but I was never all that in to playing games
18:00 <@M0j0-j0j0> I had a bunch, but really only played lemmings and turrican
18:00 < miniMerc> i remember when i had the apple, youd get the game boxes with screenshots from different OSes on the back
18:00 < miniMerc> and the apple was always the worst
18:00 <@M0j0-j0j0> and Another World
18:00 < miniMerc> and youd drool over the amiga screenshots
18:00 < miniMerc> then i finally had one
18:00 <@Dagmar> No you woulnd't.
18:00 < miniMerc> and i was king of the world
18:01 < miniMerc> M0j0-j0j0: heh yea, lemmings and turrican
18:01 < miniMerc> shadow of the beast
18:01 < miniMerc> lots of greats
18:01 < miniMerc> i remember the first roguelike i played was on amiga
18:01 <@M0j0-j0j0> miniMerc: "when I grow up I want to work for Psygnosis"
18:02 < miniMerc> i think it was a larn clone
18:02 <@M0j0-j0j0> Shadow of the Beast was how I learned to do planes
18:02 <@M0j0-j0j0> and it had really good music too
18:03 < miniMerc> yeah
18:03 < miniMerc> k time for nightly news
18:03 <@M0j0-j0j0> time for me to hit the road
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18:08 <@sdodson> lol, a botched puppet config sent my system off copying 15GB of data to / and filling the drive :(
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18:12 < miniMerc> sdodson: thank god you keep /var on another partition
18:12 <@sdodson> miniMerc: NOTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
18:13  * miniMerc winces
18:13 <@sdodson> nagios promptly let me know all was not well
18:14 < miniMerc> system health: frowneyface
18:17 <@Dagmar> http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/4/29/725999/-Georgia-candidate-doesnt-think-past-sex-with-mule-will-hurt-his-chances-for-Governor
18:17 <@Dagmar> *sigh*
18:22 <@sdodson> It's good clean fun.
18:22 <@sdodson> In Georgia.
18:23 <@Corydon76-dig> You know, just reading the headline, I was thinking about a euphemism, like a drug mule.
18:25 <@Corydon76-dig> and then I read the article.  Wow.
18:25 <@Corydon76-dig> ware is not alone
18:26 <@Dagmar> This is the same state that has made vibrators illegal, right?
18:27 <@Corydon76-dig> I thought that was Alabama, actually
18:27 <@Corydon76-dig> Maybe it's Georgia, too
18:27 <@Corydon76-dig> It's still illegal in Alabama
18:27 <@Corydon76-dig> upheld by their Supreme Court
18:42 < ware> ?
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19:08 <@sdodson> wow i'm surprised miniMerc isn't going apeshit about the president on the tv
19:10 < aestetix> man
19:10 < aestetix> hot coworkers make life unfair
19:10 < I-MOD> you're angry because you have something nice to stare at all day?
19:11 < aestetix> and the russian accent takes the cake
19:14 <@sdodson> "Is there something you need to tell me, son???"  not a good thing for your mom to post on your facebook wall
19:14 <@sdodson> aestetix: the potato
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19:27 < miniMerc> sdodson: ?
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19:27 < miniMerc> whats to go apeshit about
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19:27 < miniMerc> ive never even been to a teaparty
19:27 < miniMerc> i could start bagging on him tho
19:27 < miniMerc> uhmmmmmmmmmm
19:27 < miniMerc> uuuuuhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmm
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19:29 < miniMerc> sdodson: "we cant torture because it goes against our principles" whats he talking about, torturing islamic militants is one of my core values
19:29 < miniMerc> and im american as apple pie
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19:35 <@sasquatc4> anyone know what services you have to have running for samba shares on windows, mine just stopped working
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19:39 <@Dagmar> Mainly I just run the wizard
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19:47 <@sasquatc4> hmm, didnt seem to do much, just tries to restart the internet connection sharing service if its stopped
19:49 <@Dagmar> Internet connection sharing is an entirely different thing.
19:49 < miniMerc> ICS is nat
19:49 < miniMerc> i dunno, i dont gut the services list anymore. right click on object, -> sharing
19:49 < miniMerc> just works
19:50 <@sasquatc4> yea, thats what i did
19:50 <@Dagmar> Do you even know what the fuck you want then?
19:50 <@Dagmar> Samba != ICS
19:50 < miniMerc> CIFS
19:50 <@sasquatc4> well when i went to the windows help on file/folder sharing, it said it had to start that service first
19:51 <@sasquatc4> so i would assume ics has to be running, unless the help is just retarded
19:51 < miniMerc> facepalm
19:51 <@Dagmar> http://www.google.com/search?q=window+file+sharing+wizard
19:51 <@Dagmar> First, second, and third hits.
19:51 <@Dagmar> ICS has not a damn thing to do with file sharing.
19:51 <@Dagmar> Anything talking about ICS means it's time to close that window instance because you've hit a dead end
19:52 <@sasquatc4> oh, yea, that, thats already been done long long ago, these folders are already shared, i just cant get to them anywhere, even on my local pc using its nat'd ip
19:52 <@Dagmar> Firewalling's probably blocking it then
19:52 <@Dagmar> The wizard addresses that
19:52 < miniMerc> it probably isnt the windows service
19:52 < miniMerc> its probably firewall or name resolution
19:52 < miniMerc> can the clients resolve the windows box's name?
19:52 <@Dagmar> It's not going to be name resolution, since SMB uses WINS
19:52 < miniMerc> try using its IP instead
19:52 <@sasquatc4> well i cant even get to them using the local ip, \\192.168.blah
19:53 <@sasquatc4> yea, that doesnt work
19:53 <@Dagmar> If file sharing si going to work, then WINS is going to work
19:53 <@sasquatc4> Dagmar: meant using the ip
19:53 <@Dagmar> Yes, and I'm telling you there's generally little point
19:54 <@sasquatc4> ahh
19:54 <@Dagmar> If file sharing is going to work at all, then WINS will be functional as well
19:54 < miniMerc> well, file sharing isnt working
19:54 < miniMerc> so it doesnt follow that his WINS is working
19:54 <@Dagmar> If his file sharing isn't working, then it doesn't matter fuck all if WINS is
19:54 < miniMerc> just puttin it out there!
19:54 <@Dagmar> Put it back in yer pants please
19:55 < miniMerc> just floatin it by!
19:55 <@Dagmar> The file sharing wizard in XP and Vista both check all the shit you can break/turn-off/disable/screw up
19:55 < miniMerc> just throwin it at the wall to see what sticks!
19:55 <@Dagmar> ..excepting possibly certain anti-virus products in a slightly overzealous configration
19:56 <@sasquatc4> yea, thats why i went and disabled avast, since i recently installed it thought that might be doing it
19:56 < miniMerc> ahoy
20:03 <@sasquatc4> hmm, well, found a page that suggested just usin, sfc /scannow
20:06 <@Dagmar> Well, I don't think it'll really help, but it can't exactly hurt either.
20:06 <@sasquatc4> yea, i mean it did find something
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20:42 <@sdodson> Corydon76-dig: wtf is this I know a secret about you bullshit?
20:42 <@sdodson> miniMerc: what happened to galgoci? he ran off after you left
20:44 < miniMerc> sdodson: he's around
20:44 < miniMerc> on the private nets
20:45 < miniMerc> please dont bring him back here
20:45 < miniMerc> i can only stand so much of him
20:45 <@sdodson> You brought him here in the first place.
20:45 < miniMerc> noooooo
20:45 < miniMerc> no i did not
20:45 < miniMerc> you did
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20:45 < miniMerc> i would never bring mgalgoci anywhere
20:45 <@sdodson> I was creeped out cause it was like "zomg a spy from work, better not be a dumbass"
20:46 < miniMerc> maybe i accidentally mentioned it
20:46 < miniMerc> i dunno
20:46 < miniMerc> i thot for sure you got him in here
20:46 < miniMerc> he follows me everwhere cuz im his hero
20:46 <@sdodson> miniMerc: No, if you weren't such a dumbass stoner you'd remember that I commented on a news story about balls or something and you pointed out someone else in another channel said the same thing.
20:46 < miniMerc> sdodson: hm
20:46 <@sdodson> then you made the connection that we knew each other
20:46 < miniMerc> yeah but still
20:47 < miniMerc> i didnt tell him to come here
20:47 < miniMerc> somehow he found me
20:47 < miniMerc> i dunno
20:47 <@sdodson> surprised you had the mental capacity to do so
20:47 < miniMerc> that was a lot of beers ago
20:47 < miniMerc> shut up you ass
20:47 < miniMerc> be nice
20:47 <@sasquatc4> crikey, of course the provided cd from dell doesnt qualify as the cd i installed xp with, so sfc wont work
20:47 < miniMerc> anyway i can understand a story about balls attracting him
20:47 <@sdodson> sfc?
20:47 <@sdodson> ya
20:47 < miniMerc> system file check
20:48 < miniMerc> some gay windows utility sasquatc4 thinks is gonna help him mount CIFS shares
20:48 <@sdodson> I gotta take a General Tso's shit pretty soon i believe.
20:48 < miniMerc> he's probably not authenticating right or getting the URI wrong
20:48 < miniMerc> or something
20:48 < miniMerc> sdodson: mmmm
20:48 < miniMerc> sdodson: not shit, the tso's
20:48 < miniMerc> sdodson: im not much of an asian food fan, but i can put away the general tso's
20:49 < miniMerc> good stuff
20:49 <@sdodson> I dunno man, it's got me chair ridden. I can't move.
20:49 <@sasquatc4> i have no authentication necessary on these shares, never had to login into them and im not getting any requests to login to them either
20:49 < miniMerc> it's gonna burn so good on the way out
20:49 < miniMerc> sasquatc4: my vista by default wants authentication
20:49 < miniMerc> sasquatc4: what error are you getting anyway?
20:49 < miniMerc> cannot find share?
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20:50 < miniMerc> sdodson: tso's is kinda heavy
20:50 < miniMerc> sdodson: what with all the rice and probably all the carbs in the sauce
20:50 < miniMerc> and protein
20:50 < miniMerc> just squirt some out and youll feel better
20:51 < miniMerc> if you can make it to the can
20:51 <@sasquatc4> well if i do it on the local machine i get 'no network provider accepted the given path'
20:51 < miniMerc> sasquatc4: ...
20:51 <@sasquatc4> so thats just trying by doing \\127.0.0.1
20:51 < miniMerc> sasquatc4: i think you got some problems
20:51 < miniMerc> sasquatc4: you t0tally tw34k3d out your services didnt you
20:51 < miniMerc> you did something
20:51 < miniMerc> SOMETHING BAD
20:52 < miniMerc> haha
20:52 < miniMerc> network provider
20:52 < miniMerc> i.e. loopback
20:52 < miniMerc> ya yer fucked
20:52 < miniMerc> reinstall!
20:52 <@sdodson> just start services one by one until it works
20:52 < miniMerc> the tried and true windows problem solving measure
20:52 < miniMerc> i dont fuck with windows services anymore
20:52 <@sasquatc4> sdodson: yea i went back and started doing that, didnt seem to help
20:52 < miniMerc> i know enough to turn stuff on and off in unix
20:52 < miniMerc> not windows
20:52 < miniMerc> shit's too opaque
20:52 <@Dagmar> You can always tear down the network adapter and then readd i
20:52 <@Dagmar> t
20:52 < miniMerc> no idea what things do
20:53 < miniMerc> Dagmar: dude he cant even mount it locally
20:53 <@Dagmar> Of course he can't BECAUSE IT'S OFF
20:53 < miniMerc> the loopback address wants a network provider
20:53 < miniMerc> dont yell at me, kid
20:53 <@Dagmar> ...and he's still not run the file sharing wizard
20:53 < miniMerc> you dont know what the hell is going on anhymore than sasquatc4 does
20:54 < miniMerc> i think he's turned off a bunch of services that windows requires for normal operation
20:54 < miniMerc> trying to tweak his box for ultimate FPS in counterstrike
20:54 < miniMerc> or something
20:54 <@Dagmar> Very likely so, although I don't know as to motive
20:54 <@sasquatc4> Dagmar: i cant run the sharing wizard since these folders are already shared
20:54 <@sasquatc4> it wont let me re-run it, i can just turn sharing on and off for htem
20:54 < miniMerc> unshare them
20:54 <@sasquatc4> i did
20:54 <@sasquatc4> and then re-enabled
20:54 < miniMerc> is this XP?
20:55 < miniMerc> or the vister
20:55 <@sasquatc4> yea
20:55 <@sasquatc4> xp
20:55 < miniMerc> dunno man
20:55 < miniMerc> no fuckin clue
20:55 < miniMerc> honestly ive never tried mounting a windows share locally IN windows
20:56 <@sasquatc4> well im just doing it as a test
20:56 < miniMerc> right
20:56 <@Dagmar> You can certainly turn filesharing OFF and then use the wizard to turn it back oin
20:56 < miniMerc> Dagmar: walk him through control panel, this is complex
20:56 <@sasquatc4> well ill try removing the adapter and reinstalling
20:57 < miniMerc> i just find it funny, not in a smartass way, i actually laughed
20:57 < miniMerc> loopback address wants a network provider
20:57 < miniMerc> thats pretty good
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20:57 < miniMerc> i dunno how you managed that
20:58 < miniMerc> thats like getting ping timeout on ping 127.0.0.1
20:58 < miniMerc> "cannot resolve address 'localhost'"
20:58 < miniMerc> something's fucked royally
20:59 <@Dagmar> Frankly, no.
20:59 <@Dagmar> I'll take a pass there.
20:59 <@Dagmar> There's a _reason_ I use the wizards to set shit up in Xp
20:59 <@Dagmar> ...and it's because they've made everything else you can do impossibly and unconcionably gnomic.
21:00 < miniMerc> you just made that word up, didnt you
21:01 <@Dagmar> No.
21:01 <@Dagmar> I'm cool like that.
21:01 <@Dagmar> I know a lot of words.
21:02 <@Dagmar> Ah wait, yes, here's another one... It's because I'm "literate".
21:02 <@Dagmar> I'm also extremely "sarcastic" so you shouldn't take it personally..
21:02 < miniMerc> im pretty damn well read and have an extensive vocabulary, ive never seen 'gnomic'
21:02 < miniMerc> i think you made it up
21:02 <@Dagmar> Nope.
21:02 <@Dagmar> Look it up
21:02 <@Dagmar> I think you'll like it.
21:02 < miniMerc> well gnomes are tinkerers
21:02 <@Dagmar> It perfectly sums up the weird shit Windows spews at an admi tho
21:03 <@Dagmar> It has nothing to do with gnomes.
21:03 < miniMerc> i can infer the definition from context
21:03 < miniMerc> no but maybe gnomes have something to do with gnomic
21:03 <@Dagmar> You can fail utterly at inferring the definition.
21:03 <@sdodson> eh i think windows stuff isn't that bad it's just different
21:03 <@Dagmar> Holy fucking shit man go look up "gnomic" and it's etymology so I won't have to beat you if we meet
21:03 < miniMerc> maybe gnomes are called gnomes because they are gnomic
21:04 < miniMerc> i need a good beatin'
21:04 < miniMerc> ill bring my glasses and my shoes
21:04 < miniMerc> so ill have them
21:06 <@Dagmar> ...and maybe idiots are idiots because they hoard their idiocy.
21:06 <@Dagmar> Look it up.
21:06 <@Dagmar> I'm not joking.
21:06 <@Dagmar> You'll find it interesting.
21:07 < miniMerc> 1  : characterized by aphorism
21:07 < miniMerc> so i dont understand your usage
21:07 < miniMerc> something terse or concise is aphoristic
21:08 <@Dagmar> To put it bluntly, it's something so terse as to not make any sense until after-the-fact.
21:08 <@Dagmar> ...like the storied oracular predictions at Delphi.
21:09 < miniMerc> something deceptively blunt
21:09 <@sdodson> oh ya, those, those were AWESOME
21:09 <@Dagmar> Which, you know, pretty much sums up windows error messages.
21:10 < miniMerc> sdodson: remember those man
21:10 < miniMerc> sdodson: REMEMBER THE TIME
21:10 < miniMerc> </michael>
21:10 <@sdodson> How could I not!
21:10 <@Dagmar> On the occasion when they actually convey accurate information to the user, they might as well be in fucking Mandarin because you don't know what the hell they're talking about until after you've found the answer some other way
21:11 < miniMerc> Dagmar: im not entirely convinced of your usage of the word, but ill grant you that it does appear to be part of the english language
21:11 <@sdodson> Dagmar is a wordsmith.
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21:12 < uSynx> Anyone know anything about "server slices"
21:12 <@sdodson> yes
21:12 < uSynx> i am still seriously considering getting a dedicated server from server.lu and wondering about selling out "slices" on it
21:12 < miniMerc> they're slices of a server
21:12 < miniMerc> NEXT
21:12 < uSynx> no shit
21:13 <@Dagmar> It's the icing in-between that matters.
21:13 < miniMerc> creamy
21:13 < uSynx> but what is under the skin, some sort of server vitalization?
21:13 <@sdodson> Ya, cause I'm sure buying one is the way to corner the market.
21:13 <@Dagmar> miniMerc: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/gnomic
21:13 <@Dagmar> "2. (of a saying or aphorism) Mysterious and often incomprehensible yet seemingly wise. "
21:13 < uSynx> sdodson, no i really want my own server on a big pipe for webhosting and other stuff
21:13 <@brimstone> uSynx: like xen or vserver eh?
21:14 <@sdodson> whoah i can't believe this is in there http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/deeznuts
21:14 <@Dagmar> lol
21:14 <@Dagmar> awesome
21:14 < uSynx> brimstone, thats what i am wondering, how most people do these setups to give their users a specific % of bw, drive space, and process
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21:14 <@Dagmar> ^5
21:15 <@sdodson> uSynx: I think a lot of people use open virtuzzo or whatever it's called for slice hosting
21:15 < uSynx> ahh
21:15 < uSynx> that something that runs on any disto or is it a distro in and of itself
21:16 < miniMerc> Dagmar: i believe i was probably correct in my estimation that 'gnome' is related etymologically; in standard folklore gnomes were tinkers who understood the "mysterious" and complex workings of machinery; which embodies the spirit of the word you're showing me
21:16 < miniMerc> in fact
21:16 < uSynx> i might just drop the cash on one of their cheaper setups and play around a bit
21:16 < miniMerc> IN FACT
21:16 <@sdodson> http://wiki.openvz.org/Main_Page
21:16 < miniMerc> i have yet to see an etymology yet that rules out a derivation in the word 'gnome'
21:16 <@Dagmar> minimarc: The link you're seeing is very indirect.  Much much more indirect than you think
21:17 <@Dagmar> I mean, you're right, but not for hte reasons you think you are
21:17 < miniMerc> Dagmar: obviously they share a root
21:17 < miniMerc> which came first? i dont know
21:17 < miniMerc> probably related to gnosis
21:17 <@Dagmar> Yes..
21:17 <@Dagmar> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnosis
21:17 <@Dagmar> ...in fact.
21:18 < miniMerc> ya im familiar with gnosis
21:18 <@Dagmar> Like it's a _really_ arcane connection between them, but it's there.
21:18 < miniMerc> as a student of religion, gnosticism is a common topic
21:18 <@Dagmar> Look at the Etymology section
21:18 < uSynx> sdodson, thanks
21:18 <@Dagmar> The greeks were basically calling gnomes "know-it-alls"
21:18 < miniMerc> nod
21:19 <@Dagmar> ...not entirely in a complementary fashion.  ;)
21:20 <@sdodson> I'm not sure I like that the new gnome terminal barks at you when you try to close it with anything other than a shell running inside.
21:21 < miniMerc> sdodson: eh?
21:22 < miniMerc> sdodson: i run gnome-terminal with irssi as the -e
21:22 <@sdodson> click on ze X and it say "There is stilla  process running in this terminal Closing the terminal will kill it. <Cancel> <Close Terminal>"
21:22 < miniMerc> wow
21:22 < miniMerc> that's bad
21:23 <@Dagmar> I can see where that might save me some pain
21:24 <@sdodson> Alright, the General has won the war. Time to go celebrate.
21:31 < miniMerc> beer is a food
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21:50 <@Dagmar> Whoa
21:50 <@Dagmar> Warner fucked up
21:50 <@Dagmar> They tried a DMCA takedown on http://blip.tv/file/1937322
21:50 <@Dagmar> Lawrence Lessig
21:50 <@Dagmar> Doh!
21:52 <@Catonic> lol
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22:00 <@Dagmar> They are sooo fucked.
22:03 <@Dagmar> On a side note, at 11m30s it gets hilarious
22:04 <@sdodson> Lessig speaking bugs me
22:05 <@sdodson> Just the dramatic patterns of his voice.
22:08 <@Dagmar> just the same, he appears to see clearly.
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22:17 < miniMerc> hi Peaches1984
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22:35 <@Dagmar> I think this presentation of Lessig's is going to make some shit move now that Warner has unfortunately drawn attention to it
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22:48 < Falun> I had heard about it but never knew which presentation it was -- thanks for the link, was very good
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23:47 <@Dagmar> Yeah, it actually kinda pisses me off because there's one bit that's rather likely painfullly true, and that's if these fucksticks hadn't been trying to reshape the world to give themselves credit for fucking everything, we'd have a MUCH more robust society of communication
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23:47 <@Dagmar> ...and we wouldn't have all these kids fucking TRAINED to be criminals, not in the hackerly sense, but in the "fuck heeding the law or any law" sense.
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