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01:32 <@jb7od> mane.
01:54 <@Catonic> maaayne
01:55 <@jb7od> you listen to my trash Catonic?
01:56 <@jb7od> I have one just for you: http://porter-thinks-he.is-a-geek.net/07-mfph-Move_Et.mp3
01:57 <@jb7od> pump a fist.
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08:09 <@sdodson> FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKkk
08:09 <@sdodson> ORACLE BOUGHT SUN :(
08:09 < [1NF0]_Work> I thought oracle was damn near defunct
08:10 <@TheLightCosine> ug
08:10 <@TheLightCosine> there goes mysql
08:10 <@sdodson> [1NF0]_Work: i think you mean sun.
08:10 <@sdodson> Oracle is still either #1 or #2 in terms of revenue
08:10 < [1NF0]_Work> sdodson: ahh, ok... must've been wishful thinking
08:11 <@sdodson> this means they own fuck everything
08:11 <@sdodson> hardware all the way up to a shitty application server
08:11 < [1NF0]_Work> interesting... I have an Oracle 8i and 2 Sun Java books propping up 3 of my 5 chair legs where casters broke off
08:11 <@TheLightCosine> heh
08:14  * TheLightCosine weeps for MySQL
08:16 < Falun> sdodson: what shitty a/s?
08:25 < rattleXx> Holy shit.
08:54 <@sdodson> Falun: all their stuff
08:55 <@sdodson> I don't know th eproduct name because it's probably like 800 different components.
09:02 < ware> guvment
09:02  * ware farts on sdodson 
09:02 < ware> g'
09:03 < ware> morning
09:07 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
09:08 <@polerin> TheLightCosine: have you not seen some of the forks of mysql recently?
09:08 <@polerin> there's a pretty good debate about what's Official MySql
09:08 <@polerin> now
09:09 <@Dolemite> it's all a bunch of whiners getting their panties in a wad
09:09 <@Dolemite> why back in my day we wrote everything down on a 3x5 index card
09:09 <@Dolemite> put it in an old cigar box
09:09 <@Dolemite> and hid it under our beds
09:09 <@Dolemite> what was I talking about?
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09:11 <@I-MOD> Dolemite, you were just about to write me a check for that $10,000 you owe me, right guys?
09:12 <@Dolemite> No, I don't trust banks, let me just pull all of my confederate money out of my mattress for you...
09:12 <@Dolemite> there you go, all settled!
09:12 <@I-MOD> that works, too
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09:34 <@Dolemite> ware : So you think we should go to a cave again this summer?
09:35 < ware> kayaking!
09:35 < ware> and campin
09:35 <@Dolemite> I'm thinking maybe Ruby Falls in Chattanooga so that the 404 and 256'ers can join us
09:35 < ware> or canoing
09:35 < ware> caving would be fun
09:35 < ware> i didnt goto mammoth
09:35 <@Dolemite> Yeah, I was thinking about canoeing on the Duck River since it's so close to Nashville
09:35 < eryc> whaat
09:35 < eryc> oracle
09:36 <@Dolemite> yeah, Mammoth Cave was for the cool people only
09:36 <@Dolemite> no ware allowed!%$~!
09:38 <@sdodson> Dolemite: HEYYYYYYYYYYYYY
09:39 <@Dolemite> sdodson : die!!!
09:39 <@sdodson> Dolemite: what's with all this twitter flood of vanderbilt noc stuff
09:39 <@Dolemite> er, I mean, hi!
09:39 <@Dolemite> sdodson : it's how some people prefer to be notified of changes and outages
09:39 <@sdodson> Dolemite: can i use it to hax u?
09:40 <@Dolemite> Apparently rss wasn't good enough for them.  lol
09:40 <@sdodson> dumbasses
09:40 <@Dolemite> sdodson : No, I have my anti-twitter vest on.
09:40 <@sdodson> srsly
09:40 <@sdodson> http://twitter.com/vanderbiltnoc sure has a lot of social engineering value
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09:42 < ware> happy 4/20 btw
09:42 <@Dolemite> I don't know about that
09:53 <@rhia> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/norm-stamper/420-thoughts-on-pot-vs-al_b_188627.html
09:59 <@rhia> favorite comment: "A drunk, a stoner, and an acid-head are at the gates of the city and want to get in, but the gates are locked. The drunk wants to break the doors down, the acid-head wants to float through the keyhole, and the stoner just lays down for a nap until they unlock the doors."
10:07 <@TheLightCosine> lol
10:07 < fie> I'm on ephedrine, caffeine, and tobacco.
10:08 < fie> Who did I miss at notacon
10:08  * TheLightCosine watches fie's ehart explode
10:09 < fie> The thing is though.
10:09 < fie> I'm not really feeling all that much
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10:27 <@critch> Dolemite: you look at http://planet.nashville2600.org/ lately?
10:29 <@TheLightCosine> lol
10:37  * polerin pokes critch with a spork
10:37 <@polerin> critch: did you see the photos I posted from this weekend?
10:38 <@critch> just a moment ago I saw one.
10:38 <@critch> For whatever reason, I tend to check planet and then my LJ account
10:38 < ware> Basics, Tricks, Tweaks, and other Nifty Stuff!
10:39 <@polerin> critch: I've got another one that lissa took which shows what that kayaker was on from above
10:40 <@polerin> http://stevie.eclexia.net/erin/photos/the_river.png
10:40 <@polerin> oh that was weird.  Listening to radiohead, and as soon as I posted that link, Thom sings "Lets go down the waterfall"
10:41 < eryc> weak
10:42 <@critch> nice, where is that at?
10:55 <@polerin> Rock Island
10:56 <@polerin> I've got like 100 pictures I need to get processed ;p
10:56 <@polerin> whole lot of awesome
10:57 <@Dolemite> critch : We are migrating the websites over to Mirage's hostmonster account.  Planet may or may not go away.
11:04 <@Dolemite> ok, looks like his hostmonster account has python already
11:04 <@Dolemite> so it's just a matter of him setting it up in cPanel
11:15 < eryc> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4sRgHdkWkk
11:25 <@Dolemite> ok, planet is back up
11:26 < eryc> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ari/3450537642/in/pool-planetmoney
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11:52 < [1NF0]_Work> judas....
11:52 < [1NF0]_Work> hundred cents on the dollar...
11:53 <@brimstone> wouldn't that be 1:1 ?
11:53 <@polerin> http://stevie.eclexia.net/erin/photos/whitewater_bounce.png
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12:21 <@Evilpig> I have a date set for my hearing about my unemployment appeal
12:21 <@Evilpig> this is such a pita
12:22 <@Corydon76-lap> Evilpig: what'd they do, deny you?
12:22 <@Evilpig> yup
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12:22 <@Corydon76-lap> That's fucking stupid... wasn't your choice to be unemployed...
12:23 <@Evilpig> and I appealed saying.  the HR department told me I wasn't being fired just repremanded(sp?) the CEO decided to terminate me.  making it no fault of my own
12:23 <@Evilpig> my former employer is REALLY starting to piss me off.  
12:23 < zadeaux> Seeking what judgement? Doesn't sound like you'd want to go back to work there.
12:24 <@Dolemite> I told you not to run through the office naked, but did you listen to me?  NO
12:25 <@Evilpig> seeking a check from unemployment from me being fired
12:25 <@Evilpig> $415 a week isn't much but damnit cut me a check
12:26 <@Evilpig> a week from tomorrow I have been unemployed for 2 months.  if I didn't have my severance i'd be on the street because of having to dick around with this unemployment crap
12:29 <@Dementia> 2 months already? time flies
12:32 <@Evilpig> oh yeah so also my "trial" is a phone conference and it's set for may 4th I think.  supposed to be getting details about it in the mail to me on the 24th of this month.  
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12:32 <@M0j0-j0j0> arbitration?
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12:33 <@Evilpig> not sure how there should be anything to arbitrate.  not like I am seeking my job.  I just want the check that I should be getting
12:38 <@Dolemite> it's all about whether the company gets dinged for you drawing unemployment or not
12:39 < kponds> well if the company termed through no fault of his own then i dont think they have a choice
12:39 <@Evilpig> it's all about them beinga prick and denying me int he first place
12:39 < kponds> Evilpig: what state are you in?
12:39 <@Evilpig> ky
12:39 <@Dementia> This company's been a prick to you from the get go, so this is no surprise.
12:39 < kponds> hrm
12:39 <@Evilpig> http://www.oet.ky.gov/des/ui/ui.htm
12:40 <@Evilpig> yeah.  it isn't a surprise.  this is more of an issue of I should be allowed to draw it.  and I am going to.
12:40 <@Corydon76-lap> Evilpig: you probably didn't sign binding aribtration when the company became a corporation, anyway, so it's not like this ends your options
12:41 <@Corydon76-lap> Lawsuit is far more expensive to them
12:41 <@Evilpig> the HR dept still hasn't gotten back to me about the phreaknic videos, any of my other IP that is still there, my keyboard that they have AND last but not least my PHP books that they are still holding
12:41 <@Evilpig> about to call her back too.
12:41 <@Evilpig> then...  to the lawyers office to start the paperwork 
12:45 <@Evilpig> gotta run.  bbl
12:45 < fie> Anyone hit up notacon?
12:46 <@Dementia> unfortunately no. :(
12:46 <@M0j0-j0j0> too far away
12:46 < fie> M0j0-j0j0, how far is too far?
12:51 <@Dolemite> greater than one tank of gas each way is a good rule of thumb
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12:52 <@Dolemite> there are always exceptions to that - some people will drive across country for a con
12:52 <@Dementia> Depends on the con
12:52 <@Dolemite> but most people will stick to the one tank of gas radius
12:53 <@Dementia> I'm skipping DragonCon this year because it's a $300 plane ticket from here or a 12-13 hour drive each way.
12:58 <@I-MOD> yikes
12:59 <@Dolemite> that's not a bad price for a round trip ticket
13:00 <@Feltenix> hrm. there haven't been any large sunspots in more than a year
13:01 <@Feltenix> guess the sun is set to warm, and the planet is going to get cooler
13:01 <@M0j0-j0j0> Feltenix: they are just in hiding for now building an army..
13:02 <@Dolemite> I, for one, welcome our new hydrogen based overlords
13:04 <@M0j0-j0j0> The Sun is a mass of incandescent gas, A gigantic nuclear furnace.
13:06 <@Dementia> No it's not a bad price, but add in another few hundred for lodging, food, and badge, and it's way too much $$ for one con.
13:06 <@Feltenix> sunspots are a measure of solar activity, more means more active, it use to be you could see several sunspots on the sun that were larger than the earth
13:07 <@Feltenix> now there is nothing
13:07 <@sdodson> ARE WE GOING TO DIE NOW?!
13:07 <@Feltenix> http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/sunspots/
13:07 <@Dolemite> Dementia : Yep, it's a lot to spend for just a weekend
13:08 <@Feltenix> someone is probably going to take credit for this and say they saved the planet from global warming
13:08 <@Dolemite> That's why when I go out to Vegas I try to go for a whole week
13:08 <@Dolemite> I'm sure Rush or Newt will lay claim to it
13:08 <@Feltenix> not likely, most likely the ones pushing the CO2 regs through congress and the EPA
13:09 <@Feltenix> all their predictions are based on flawed models
13:10 <@Feltenix> and "correcting" old data
13:10 <@Dolemite> well step on up to the plate and provide the right model
13:10 <@Feltenix> do you have any idea how complex a planetary weather model is?
13:11 <@Feltenix> it is beyond current computing power
13:11 <@Feltenix> it can take days to converge to a solution for a simple model for an aircraft
13:12 <@Dolemite> that's why NOAA is using BOINC to use the cloud for modeling weather
13:12 <@Feltenix> they only predict a few days away, and they do not have terribly great accuracy
13:13 <@brimstone> that statement is awesome
13:13 <@brimstone> NOAA is using the cloud to model clouds
13:13 <@Feltenix> global warming predictions are for months to years into the future
13:14 <@Dolemite> http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2009/3/25/
13:15 <@Dagmar> I think they're another Phanrom
13:15 <@Dagmar> er Phantom
13:15 <@Dagmar> There's latency issues they're not going to be able to get rid of
13:18 <@rhia> eh, i think we are entering a climate change, like this planet does pretty regularly over the eons - but still think we can stand to reduce a lot of pollution and sheer waste
13:19 <@Mirage> rhia: Don't tell Gore that...
13:19 <@Feltenix> ah, but CO2 isn't a pollutant
13:19 <@Feltenix> and yet they call it one
13:19 <@rhia> not the biggest fan of mercury laden water, etc, esp considering how fabulously the lead based water and face paint helped the romans & later the french aristocracy
13:20 <@Mirage> Of course I've been expecting something similar for 2-3 years now
13:21 <@Mirage> i bet the lead blocked UV quite nicely, though..
13:21 <@rhia> Mirage: do i think we're adding to the increase of the global coverage which can lead to a thicker 'thermal blanket'? most likely
13:21 <@rhia> did we CAUSE it? no
13:21 <@Dagmar> We just need to put all that CO2 into soft drinks.
13:21 <@rhia> are we the MAIN cause of it? highly doubtful
13:21 <@Feltenix> "all that CO2" comes from just about everything that lives
13:22 <@Feltenix> if we want to cut back on pollution seriously, we need to replace every coal plant with a nuclear one
13:22 <@rhia> Feltenix: carbon based lifeforms on a carbon based planet producing carbon dioxide? say it ain't so!
13:22 <@brimstone> noes, i like my coal plant
13:23 <@Feltenix> did you know coal plants put large quatitites of radioactives into the atmosphere?
13:23 <@Dagmar> Deathknights cause global warming.
13:23 <@Feltenix> yes they do
13:23 <@Mirage> there's not much that isn't radioactive in some/way/shape/form
13:23 <@rhia> Mirage: oh, lead blocked UV very well, as well as blocking neural functions and causing mania and dementia - Nero or Marie Antoinette ring a bell?
13:24 <@Mirage> rhia: yes, i know exactly what you were driving at..i was just putting the environmental swing on it
13:24 <@rhia> but, hey, they didn't die of skin cancer from too much sun!
13:24 <@Feltenix> actually the lead in the pipes wasn't such a big deal due to mineral build up, the lead based sweetener they used is another story
13:24 <@Dagmar> Yummy mexican candy
13:26 <@rhia> we ARE doing stuff that's really fricking stupid, like dumping pharmaceuticals & chemical wastes into the water system - that's just stupid on our part
13:26 <@Dagmar> I'm not.
13:26  * M0j0-j0j0 accidental hits Dagmar with a stick and says "Sorry, didn't see you there because I'm wearing this blindfold."
13:26 <@rhia> Dagmar: as a species
13:27 <@Dementia> rhia: this was in this weekend's paper. Makes me want to get a water testing kit. http://www.chicagotribune.com/features/lifestyle/green/chi-crestwood-water-bd19-apr19,0,3074699.story
13:27 <@Dagmar> LIke I said, I'm not.
13:27 <@Dagmar> Whatever you monkeys are doing is all you
13:27 <@brimstone> i'm dumping extra pharmaceuticals since Dagmar isn't doing his part
13:27 <@rhia> too bad an extremely complex series of issues has been media mindlessly dumbed down to "global warming or not" pfft
13:27 <@Mirage> Dag's just good at taking all his
13:28 <@rhia> Mirage: and the companies making his are doing enough dumping to cover his lack of involvement ;)
13:28 <@M0j0-j0j0> well, when the cops show up you put all the pharmaceuticals that you can down the "water system" before you all the sudden find yourself incarcerated.
13:30 <@CRasH180> unless they have a search warrant for your water line and tap that before they knock on your door. Highly improbable
13:33 <@M0j0-j0j0> unlawful water tapping
13:36 <@rhia> "save the planet!" um, planet survived pretty well w/o us for a few eons, will recover and survive w/o us till the sun goes dark - "save our sorry human butts" is a much truer sentiment
14:05 <@Corydon76-lap> rhia: the planet will not survive until the sun goes dark, actually
14:06 <@Corydon76-lap> rhia: The sun at some point will expand into a red giant, enveloping the Earth and killing every form of life within
14:06 <@Corydon76-lap> That's several million years before the Sun goes dark
14:12 <@brimstone> practially the next day
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14:14 <@Catonic_lp> omg
14:14 <@Catonic_lp> I've been a ham sixteen years.
14:15 <@M0j0-j0j0> at least at that point it might as well be the next day
14:15 <@M0j0-j0j0> If I'm not there what does it matter
14:15 <@M0j0-j0j0> g2g bbl
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14:36 <@rhia> Corydon76-dig: same difference - the planet will still last longer than we will at that point ;)
14:38 <@rhia> and i doubt i'll be around to argue the point then <g>
14:39 <@Dagmar> http://mehtank.com/coeus/files/pdf/cat.pdf <-- will be in XKCD soon I'm sure
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15:43 <@ShadowHntr> Catonic: that's old news, but still cool :)
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16:04 <@aestetix> howdy
16:06 <@aestetix> Anyone here know Travis Goodspeed?
16:17 <@Catonic_lp> wait... I've had my ham license only a slightly shorter time than defcon's been going on... wow.
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16:59 <@M0j0-j0j0> and the benefit to having a ham license is what again?
17:00 <@I-MOD> you get to talk to other weird people!
17:00  * M0j0-j0j0 looks around
17:00 <@M0j0-j0j0> we need to make people apply for an irc license
17:02 <@M0j0-j0j0> and irc'ing while under the influence should be a felony.
17:02 <@I-MOD> ware would have already been executed
17:02 < ware> :D
17:02 < ware> why would that be a felony?
17:02 <@M0j0-j0j0> which is a ticket that gets handed out from the irCops
17:03 <@rhia> & IRC would be a wasteland  ;)
17:03  * ware celebrates 4/20 more
17:03 <@rhia> or more a ghostland
17:03 <@M0j0-j0j0> hmm
17:03 <@M0j0-j0j0> it's a hell of a day to try and stop smoking
17:04 < ware> cigarettes?
17:04 <@M0j0-j0j0> yeah
17:04 < ware> thought you were a gym nut
17:04 <@Corydon76-lap> M0j0-j0j0: picked the wrong day to stop sniffing glue?
17:04 <@M0j0-j0j0> ware: I am
17:04 < ware> just smoke and workout too
17:04 < ware> kills me when i try to do that
17:05 < ware> literaly! L O L
17:06 <@Catonic> holy shit... it's dasunt: http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/tor/1054874225.html
17:07 <@M0j0-j0j0> Corydon76-lap: A hat, or a broach or a pterodactyl
17:08 <@Corydon76-lap> That's what I can make of it
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17:20 <@Dementia> http://www.couchsurfing.com/terms.html see 1.5
17:21 <@Dementia> and 16
17:21 < eryc> yea, not surprising
17:21 < eryc> doesn't stop people from suing you
17:22 < eryc> i've still got other ideas in the hopper i need to carry thru on
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17:22 <@Dementia> I'd say no matter what, anyone could work this system to look like a perfectly safe, nice person
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17:24 <@M0j0-j0j0> while setting in the roots for a KPDN
17:24 < eryc> yea, suprisingly, i like to keep a clean conscious
17:24 <@Dementia> I thought about signing up to be a host, but then realized I didn't have the time committment required
17:24 < eryc> my ideas our mostly about enabling people to make their lives more interesting or easier
17:24 < eryc> s/our/are
17:25 <@M0j0-j0j0> eryc: sometimes if you don't cross the line you don't get by
17:26 <@M0j0-j0j0> it's all about picking your battles and knowing when it all becomes a waste of time.
17:27 <@M0j0-j0j0> I'll know more about wasting time as I turn 114 assuming my workload only increases at a linear rate.
17:27 < eryc> spoiler alert
17:28 < eryc> life is a waste of time.
17:28 < eryc> its how you enjoy it that matters
17:28 < eryc> chemically, altruism is more rewarding than selfishness
17:29 < eryc> and smiles are contagious
17:30 <@M0j0-j0j0> chicken soup for your irc soul
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17:41  * M0j0-j0j0 is headed to the gym.
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17:47 <@polerin> and now for your daily music break http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OM8Uv5RFOyM
17:47 <@polerin> :P
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17:52 <@sdodson> http://www.jwz.org/photos/2009-04-12-bigwheel/ mlp
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18:00  * Catonic loves how short the cycle gets
18:02  * eryc starts to riverdance
18:09  * Catonic hands $200 to Corydon and tells him to tip eryc
18:10 <@Catonic> You know, nothing says loving like violent face-fucking.
18:10  * eryc pulls the g-string off to the side
18:11  * eryc does the booty clap
18:25 <@Evilpig> QUILTERS!!!!!   Run for the hills!
18:25 <@sdodson> what?
18:25 <@Evilpig> http://www.americanquilter.com/shows_contests/paducah/2009/general_info/
18:26 <@Evilpig> they're in town...  the blue hairs are mobile once again.  they have no respect for traffic laws or that cars will run them over.
18:34 <@sdodson> You may get laid tonight.
18:34 < [1NF0]> them 70 year old women be wantin' to get some
18:36 <@Evilpig> laid nothin.  I'm not leaving the house cause I don't want an old woman shaped dent in my bumper
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18:49 <@Dagmar> lol
18:51 <@sasquatc4> hah, gotta love the news stories on 420, specially cause of the CU smokeout
18:52 <@sasquatc4> 10,000 kids on the cu quad, smokin all at the same time
18:52 <@timoguin> hahahaha
18:52 <@timoguin> URL?
18:53 <@timoguin> nvm, already found it
18:53 <@sasquatc4> its only a ticketable offence here, so the cops dont do anything since its just not worth the effort
18:54 <@timoguin> Yea, I'm reading. That's awesome.
18:54 <@timoguin> Makes me wish I was a stoner.
18:55 <@sasquatc4> yea, im not anymore either, but this state is like stoner heaven
18:56 <@sasquatc4> its just no one around here really cares, even the news casters were just makin fun, 'the cloud coming off of that group must have been alot of nice second hand smoke'
18:56 <@sasquatc4> but the radio stations get all into it, one has a week of 420 contests, another has stoner spelling bee everyday all year
18:57 <@timoguin> nice
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19:02 <@NotLarry> Dolemite: you on?
19:07 < eryc> eh.. that wasnt the case a year or two ago when BushCo was overseer
19:07 < eryc> the cops made a big stink at CU's little smokefest then
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19:12 <@sasquatc4> yea, they went over that, said it used to be a big deal when it first started, but its calmed down since then
19:12 <@sasquatc4> but they showed the vid of spraying them with hoses and stuff
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20:13 < Synx_hm> any of you use smart power strips?
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20:20 <@Dagmar> Yes
20:20 <@Dagmar> Lots of them
20:20 < Synx_hm> really?
20:20 < eryc> what u got
20:20 < eryc> apc or cyclades
20:20 < eryc> or other: _______
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20:21 < eryc> we have apc and 1 cyclades
20:21 < Synx_hm> i wouldn't mind getting something for my entertainment rack
20:21 < eryc> lol
20:22 < eryc> you know they aren't cheap.. right
20:22 < eryc> what do you mean by smart exactly?
20:22 < Synx_hm> hrm... i think we are talking about two completely different things
20:22 < eryc> i'm talking PDU
20:22 < Synx_hm> i mean something to turn off devices that suck tons of idle power in standby mode
20:22 < eryc> remote access and power consumption monitoring
20:23 <@Dagmar> Just buy some X10 controllers
20:23 < Synx_hm> x10 controllers modded into wall outlets hehe
20:25 < Synx_hm> nm
20:25 < Synx_hm> they have such things
20:25 <@brimstone> they also have x10 light switches :D
20:25 < eryc> and x10 dildos
20:26 < Synx_hm> w00t
20:26 <@sdodson> and x10 STFU ERYCs
20:26 < Synx_hm> any good sources for good products?
20:26 <@brimstone> fry's sells x10 stuff
20:26 <@Dagmar> X10 is all about turning things off and on
20:26 < Synx_hm> no frys near me :(
20:26 <@sdodson> I bought a game via steam and I still can't play it :(
20:26 <@brimstone> outpost.com?
20:26 <@Dagmar> You'll probably just want to order them online
20:26 <@brimstone> sdodson: which game?
20:27 < Synx_hm> brim good point
20:27 <@sdodson> brimstone: L4D
20:27 <@brimstone> :o
20:27 <@brimstone> why can't you play it?
20:27 <@brimstone> we should play some time
20:27 <@sdodson> brimstone: halp zombies coming!
20:27 < ware> yeah i wanna buy that
20:27 <@sdodson> brimstone: It says "Preloading complete" and it wants me to buy it :(
20:27 <@brimstone> did you?
20:28 <@sdodson> No, think that may be a problem?
20:28  * sdodson bombs brimstone 
20:28 < Synx_hm> oh not bad
20:28 < Synx_hm> http://shop3.frys.com/product/118759?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG
20:28  * brimstone exploads all over sdodson
20:28 <@sdodson> Here, let me reboot into linux and sign into steam there. That always seems to trigger a hard login.
20:29 <@brimstone> there's some file you can delete and have it regen too
20:30 <@brimstone> local cache of some sort
20:30 <@sdodson> I don't want to download the game again.
20:30 <@sdodson> i'm going to look around the support site
20:30 <@brimstone> no, it's just for the user profile info, not the games
20:30 <@Dagmar> Synx_hm: You can get the same from X10.com, and X10.com is more desperate for business
20:31 <@Dagmar> You buy like three things and they start throwing extra shit lying around in the box
20:31 <@Dagmar> Their website is stuck in the 90's, but it works
20:31 < Synx_hm> Dagmar, ya i went to that site and was so horrified by the deisgn i instantly wrote it off as a scam
20:31 <@Dagmar> It's safe
20:31 <@Dagmar> I've ordered a number of things from them
20:32 <@brimstone> :o socket rocket
20:32 < eryc> <blink>Buy X10!!</blink
20:32 < Synx_hm> wtf is a cfl lamp modules
20:32 <@brimstone> cfl are those low power lights
20:32 < Synx_hm> why do you need something special for cfl
20:32 < eryc> it has extra mercury so its more green
20:33 < eryc> for the environment yaknow
20:33 < eryc> save oil! disempower the middle east! poison the water supply!
20:33 < eryc> wait a minute..
20:35 < Synx_hm> this website is near unusable
20:35 < eryc> inorite it needs more rainbow hr's
20:35 < eryc> and digdugs
20:36 < eryc> outpost.com used to be worse
20:36 < eryc> almost as bad as actually shopping at fryes
20:36 < eryc> which is a horrible place
20:37 < eryc> i mean, if you require talking to someone or need to find something specific
20:37 < eryc> other than that is not bad
20:38 <@sdodson> They have flourescent lights now that have no mercury afaik.
20:39 < eryc> oh good to know ill curb my ranting then
20:39 < Synx_hm> hrm heres the poop, i want inwall outlets that are controllerd, however i need to be able to turn them all on at once with one switch
20:40 < Synx_hm> the x10 wall out lets respond to all units off, or individual on/off but not all on
20:41 <@Dagmar> Trust me, that's not a shortcoming
20:41 < Synx_hm> ya hehe
20:41 <@Dagmar> It's beyond trivial to turn each one on individually
20:41 < eryc> or you could daisy chain
20:41 <@Dagmar> ....and besides which, you're allowed to give multiple units the same listening address, so long as you don't try to poll them
20:41 < eryc> one outlet to rule them all..
20:41 < Synx_hm> i could program my stupid silly purchase universal brick sized remote to to x10 to ir setup
20:41 <@sdodson> eryc: Don't know if CFLs are available in mercury free though
20:41 < eryc> my precious
20:42 < Synx_hm> Dagmar, how big the is the address space?
20:42 < Synx_hm> i am kind of excited about this project
20:42 <@Dagmar> A-f and 1-15
20:42 <@sdodson> omg, veggie spicy black bean burgers are so good but they make me burp like a mofo.
20:42 < Synx_hm> save me money and its kinda neat
20:42 <@Dagmar> A-F being "house codes" and the numbers being the addresses you can use per house
20:43 < Synx_hm> dont quite get that
20:43 <@Dagmar> Typically in case your neighbors have one of these things, you want to put alll your units on say, "c"
20:43 <@Dagmar> Each controller has two selectors, one for the house code and one for hte number
20:44 <@sdodson> eryc: oh... look at dem facts son! you a fool! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mercury_emissions_by_light_source_%28en%29.svg
20:44 <@Dagmar> So you'd say, set the lamp controller to C and 3, and then turn it on by tuning on C-3
20:44 < Synx_hm> theres no oneway filter that can be placed at the breaker box?
20:44 <@Dagmar> There is, but most places don't bother
20:45 < eryc> sdodson: yea http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17831334/
20:45 <@Dagmar> THe signal doesn like, leake out to the whole neighborhood or something
20:46 < eryc> A CFL bulb generally contains an average of 5 mg of mercury (about one-fifth of that found in the average watch battery, and less than 1/100th of the mercury found in an amalgam dental filling). A power plant will emit 10mg of mercury to produce the electricity to run an incandescent bulb compared to only 2.4mg of mercury to run a CFL for the same time. The net benefit of using the more energy efficient lamp is positive, and this is especially true if the mercu
20:46 <@sdodson> You know, WMT seems genuinely interested in reducing its impact on the environment. Most likely due to reduced operating costs but who cares.
20:46 < eryc>  Philips claims the bulbs have the lowest amount of mercury of any bulb on the market at less than 3.8 mg per bulb. To achieve this, Philips uses a specially developed mercury capsule which ensures the exact amount of mercury is placed in a tiny glass capsule which is attached to the lamp cathode.
20:47 <@sdodson> wikipedia says they average 4.0mg
20:48 <@sdodson> wikipedia says many manufacturers are doing 1.5 and 1.0mg
20:48 < eryc> i noticed the NetGear Powerline stuff now has encryption builtin (plus QoS woot!)
20:48 < eryc> wikipedia says i was an astronaut
20:48 <@brimstone> rot 13 isn't encryption
20:48 < eryc> wikipedia says brimstone is funny
20:50 <@brimstone> it's on the internet, it must be true!
20:53 <@sdodson> you two are lame
20:54 <@brimstone> you're as lame as us then
20:55 <@sdodson> no
20:59 < eryc> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sdodons_is_lame
20:59 < eryc> shit
21:00 < eryc> i mean, see.. its a fact
21:00 <@sdodson> does not exist
21:00 < eryc> you spelled it wrong
21:00 <@aestetix> heh
21:00 <@Dagmar> Damn
21:00 <@aestetix> virgil got published in 2600 again
21:01 <@Dagmar> enormous.co.ck for only $450 for two years!
21:01 < eryc> 7orbetter.com
21:01 <@sdodson> eryc: That doesn't fucking work either
21:01 < eryc> must be a slow mirror.. mysql replication takes time
21:02 <@timoguin> Dagmar: wow. I totally didn't realize what that said until I pasted it into my browser. haha
21:02 <@aestetix> http://twitter.com/emmangoldstein
21:03 <@Dagmar> timoguin: Yes, Cook Islands registrar is now open
21:03 <@aestetix> Yes, Emmanuel is using Twitter
21:03 < eryc> and no one cares
21:04 < eryc> cuz emmanuel is a tool
21:04 <@aestetix> eryc: um, how do you know
21:05 < eryc> a. i just reviewed his twitterings
21:05 <@Dagmar> aestetix: Because you can enhance your reputation two ways... You can do worthwhile things, or you can belittle others.
21:05 < eryc> b. ive met him several times
21:05 <@aestetix> Dagmar: 2600 magazine serves a purpose.
21:05 <@aestetix> It just doesn't apply to anyone who is actually in the community.
21:06 <@brimstone> http://twitter.com/emmangoldstein/status/1568202730 <== crap
21:07 <@Dagmar> aestetix: Hey, it's not my fault this stuff has such a steep curve to it
21:07 <@aestetix> Dagmar: he doesn't really belittle people. He is very impatient and abrasive, but....
21:08 < eryc> i thought i was belittling people..
21:08 <@Dagmar> aestetix: He was calling Acidus a tool not too long ago
21:08 <@aestetix> Woah. When?
21:08 <@Dagmar> Right about hte time of Ciscogate, no less
21:08 < eryc> i dont think that was the exact word
21:08 < eryc> that was fun
21:08 <@Dagmar> Yeah you used a lot of words
21:08 <@sdodson> I'm impatient and abrasive!
21:08 <@Dagmar> I'm being nice.
21:09 <@Dagmar> sdodson: Actually that wasn't about you for a change.  You should feel pleased
21:09 <@aestetix> Dagmar: was that on the radio show or something?
21:09 <@sdodson> Dagmar: FUCK YOU!!!!!
21:09 <@sdodson> think i'm going to try to go to bed early
21:10 <@Dagmar> aestetix: _eryc_ was calling Acidus a tool, not EG
21:10 <@aestetix> Oh.
21:10  * eryc raises hand
21:10 <@Dagmar> EG's just a "New Yorker"
21:10 <@aestetix> Did he really do that?
21:10 <@Dagmar> OH yes
21:10 <@aestetix> Because I have a lot of respect for Acidus.
21:10 < eryc> nah i called him a bottom feeder
21:10 < eryc> totally different from a tool
21:10 < Synx_hm> dagmar, you used the wall outlets before?  do they dimm, if so i assume they will not work with any electronics due to sine wave clipping
21:10 <@Dagmar> I figure in a few days the hormones or whatever will level out again and he'll refrain
21:11 <@aestetix> Dagmar: oh, so when you were saying that, it was about eryc, not EG
21:11 <@Dagmar> Synx_hm: The dimmers you should ONLY use on incandescent lamps
21:11 < Synx_hm> Dagmar, thats what i am asking is the wall outlet a dimmer?
21:11 <@Dagmar> Synx_hm: They've got heavier "appliance" switches for things like CFL lamps and computers
21:11 <@Dagmar> Synx_hm: You can get them in both flavors
21:11 < Synx_hm> ahh rgr, thanks
21:12 < eryc> *shrug*
21:12 <@Dagmar> The non-appliance ones "leak" a tiny amount of current through when they're "off"
21:12 <@Dagmar> So, they might bugger up bad fluourescent light baluns
21:12 < eryc> feel free to tell my why i'm wrong with my adjectives
21:12 <@Dagmar> They've not harmed the little dinky bulb-replacement CFLs I use tho
21:13 < Synx_hm> Dagmar, you use them with your computer or entertainment rack?
21:13 <@Dagmar> I use them with some cfl blacklights
21:13 <@Dagmar> ...and I've used them before with non-compact blacklights
21:15 <@sdodson> I wish I would have waited until LED backlit LCDs were the norm.
21:17 < eryc> thats because you're impatient and abrasive
21:18 < eryc> anyway
21:19 < eryc> finding vulnerabilities == bottom feeding
21:19 < eryc> emmanual goldstein == tool
21:19 <@Dagmar> Only in the eyes of a dumbass.
21:19 < eryc> have a good night
21:19 <@Dagmar> That assessment is so broken it doesn't deserve any more elaborate explanation.
21:19 <@Dagmar> FAIL.
21:19 < eryc> counter argument fail
21:20 <@sdodson> I dunno, I've listened to some OTH and thought "really, this dude is computer literate" but then I've heard other things he's done and thought "zomg so leetz!"
21:24 <@timoguin> "Furthermore, [Emmanuel Goldstein] was creative advisor to the movie Hackers."
21:24 <@timoguin> Either they didn't listen to anything he said... or he said lots of stupid shit.
21:25 <@Dagmar> we talked to hiim about that specifically
21:25 <@Dagmar> It's a non-issue
21:26 <@Dagmar> They were looking to make a movie, not a documentary
21:26 <@Dagmar> Why don't you bitch that Star Trek is unrealistic
21:26 <@Dagmar> It's essentially the same argument
21:27 <@timoguin> Dagmar: I'LL BITCH ABOUT YOUR MOTHER
21:27 <@Dagmar> Too late.
21:27 <@Dagmar> I've already said she's a bitch
21:28 <@timoguin> And comparing Hackers to Star Trek is stupid too.
21:28 <@Dagmar> They're both fiction and meant to be taken as suck.
21:28 <@Dagmar> s/suck/such/;
21:28 <@timoguin> haha
21:28 <@Dagmar> Staner notwithstanding.
21:28 <@timoguin> Suck!@
21:28 <@Dagmar> fuck I have got to pay attention to my home rows more
21:29 <@Dagmar> ]s/Staner/Shatner/;
21:29 <@sdodson> AT&T was a consultant on ET for the speak and spell + umbrella talking to aliens thing.
21:29 <@sdodson> Sometimes they just want "Hey, will this even look right?"
21:29 <@timoguin> Regardless, all-out fantasy is not the same as regular fiction.
21:29 <@timoguin> Not that I really give a shit though.
21:30 <@timoguin> I don't know anything about Emmanuel Goldstein, just found that bit from his wikipedia entry interesting.
21:30 <@sdodson> What was factually incorrect about Hackers?
21:31 <@timoguin> Hackers looking like Angelina Jolie.
21:32 <@sdodson> Heidi Potter.
21:32 <@sdodson> Next.
21:32 <@sdodson> Well, close enough.
21:32 <@timoguin> No.
21:32 <@timoguin> She doesn't use a handle like AcidBurn, so...
21:32 <@timoguin> Doesn't count.
21:33 <@sdodson> I meant, what's not atleast somewhat rooted in reality about the movie?
21:34 <@timoguin> Don't really care atm.
21:34 <@timoguin> I loved it when I first watched it.
21:35 <@sdodson> What's current wisdom regarding situps versus crunches?
21:38 <@timoguin> Situps put more strain on your spine than necessary.
21:38 <@timoguin> Do crunches.
21:39 <@timoguin> But neither will burn fat.
21:41 <@sdodson> I don't care about that.
21:41 <@sdodson> That's what riding my bike and walking/jogging is for.
21:42 <@timoguin> Well then you have the right idea.
21:42  * timoguin highfives sdodson 
21:42 <@sdodson> Though, larger muscle mass = moar fat burns
21:45 <@timoguin> sdodson: tru dat.
21:45 <@timoguin> Raises testosterone levels.
21:52 <@aestetix> timoguin: actually, angelina jolie came to an nyc2600 meeting in 1994
21:52 <@sdodson> to prep for the movie?
21:52 <@aestetix> yes
21:53 <@Dagmar> Probably lost a bet
21:53 <@timoguin> haha
21:53  * timoguin thinks about her boobs in that one scene
21:53 <@sdodson> Aestetix was 7 then.
21:53 <@timoguin> That meant a lot to me back then.
21:53 <@sdodson> Had just seen his first goatse.cx
21:54 <@timoguin> I was probably 14 or 15.
21:54 <@sdodson> timoguin: you don't care about boobs anymoe?
21:55 <@timoguin> Well I'm not as affected by them as I was back then.
21:56 <@aestetix> timoguin: but do you get all excited when you see a throbbing dick?
21:57 <@aestetix> maybe leaking a little bit from excitement
21:57 <@timoguin> Hrmm... Not really.
21:57 <@timoguin> But I'm not surprised you'd bring up such vivid imagery.
22:30 < ware> wow.
22:50 < dasunt> People love me in this channel, right?
22:51 < dasunt> Well, fuck yall.
22:51 < dasunt> The drink loves me.
22:52 < ware> wow.
22:52 < ware> ur awesome
22:53 < dasunt> I am.
22:53 < dasunt> And drunk.
22:53 < dasunt> And sarcasm does not transmit over IRC.
22:53 < dasunt> I need to propose a sarcasm over IRC RFC.
23:12 < ware> http://www.oqo.com/products/index.html
23:12 < ware> eh?
23:24 <@Dagmar> Holy shit
23:24 <@Dagmar> New frontiers in ludicrous overpricing fail
23:25 <@Dagmar> Fucking a GRAND for that?
23:25 <@Dagmar> Crazy
23:29 <@Dagmar> Ooo
23:29 <@Dagmar> Someone with a netbook around, tell me what the output of the brick for them is, please?
23:32 < eryc> 1.21 jiggawatts
23:33 < eryc> Oh, my God, they found me, I don't know how, but they found me. Run for it Marty!
23:34 <@Dagmar> All this stressing out over Arduino specs has me thinking that I could probably just buy a fucking netbook and use it as a core
23:34 <@Dagmar> I'm at least going to price that route
23:34 < eryc> core for what?
23:34 < eryc> aren't all arduinos dirt cheap
23:35 <@Dagmar> Putting a computer on the scooter
23:35 <@Dagmar> ...mainly for music, some minor skullduggery as well perhaps
23:35 < eryc> ah, well a netbook would certainly be more fun
23:35 <@Dagmar> I might have to worry about heat more tho
23:35 < eryc> perhaps less rugged?
23:35 < eryc> yea that too
23:35 <@Dagmar> That too, but I know I can solve the vibration problems
23:36 <@Dagmar> Once I get a damn unit in I should be able to see if it's "fast enough" to use as a speedometer/odometer
23:38 < eryc> there's a guy at hacdc using one to measure voltage in his car or something like that
23:39 < eryc> i believe he's attempting to build an electric car
23:40 < eryc> so, i'm sure its fast enough for a speedometer
23:40 < eryc> i can ask tho next time i make it to microcontroller mondays
23:40 < eryc> which is not a good day for me to remember much of anything
23:41 < eryc> you can also join the hacdc mailing list which is full of arduino experts
23:41 <@Dagmar> I might well do that
23:42 <@Dagmar> Unless I've really fucked up the math the thing will need to be able to detect at _least_ 33 ticks of a counter per second
23:44 <@Dagmar> 63,360 inches in a mile, 10 inch wheels, 31.415 inch circumference, 60 mph would mean a mile a minute (lazy yes) so 2,107 rotations in a minute, or 33 and change a second
23:44 <@Dagmar> There's a number of RT issues I don't know if the Arduino can handle yet to
23:44 <@Dagmar> s/to/tho/;
23:44 <@sasquatc4> what are you wanting to do with with it that you would use either an arduino, or an atom? seems like a fairly large gap between the two
23:45 <@Dagmar> Tilt/vibration sensor for alarms and speedometer/odometer
23:45 <@sasquatc4> and i think it depends on the arduino, if its like any other uC it should be able to do RT type stuff fairly well
23:45 <@Dagmar> I gotta look into the clock on the thing
23:45 <@sasquatc4> yea, most micros have a real time clock thing in em, or at least real time enough
23:46 <@Dagmar> Yeah, but is it full second accurate or can I get something usefully higher res
23:46 <@sasquatc4> they are usually higher res than that, way higher
23:46 <@Dagmar> I can work around the former but I'd rather not
23:46 < eryc> 33 somethings per second means like 33Hz clock?
23:47 <@Dagmar> eryc: Yeah, and you'd be amazed at what can't handle that because it lack interrupts
23:47 <@Catonic> I had a scary thought the other day
23:47 <@Catonic> NotLarry on Facebook
23:47 <@Dagmar> He's on MySpace
23:47 <@Dagmar> It's always the little fucking things that tank a project
23:48 <@sasquatc4> they run atmels, its not some low powered thing by any means, even the cheapest micro can usually handle that
23:48 <@sasquatc4> heck, we had a pic that would keep track of accelerometer data, gps data, battery charges and motor usage and a whole host of other data constantly for a vehicle
23:48 < eryc> http://www.uchobby.com/index.php/2007/11/24/arduino-interrupts/
23:49 <@sasquatc4> and pic's are alot less powered than atmels
23:49 <@Dagmar> sasquatc4: It also can't miss the trigger very often or it'll screw up the readings
23:49 <@sasquatc4> they usually dont, those are 20mhz, thats plenty of mhz
23:49 <@Dagmar> I've seen too much shit that runs quick enough on the inside, but it's I/O was in some way retardedly slow
23:49 <@Dagmar> sasquatc4: If I'm coding in assembly it probably would be
23:50 <@sasquatc4> has 2 8bit timers, 1 16bit timer, a real time counter, 6 pwm outputs, all sorts of stuff
23:50 <@sasquatc4> you can do it in C and thats still fast enough
23:50 <@sasquatc4> 23 i/o's on it, but then again i dont know what the arduino package actually gives you access to since they have their own interfaces and what not
23:51 <@Dagmar> The one I was looking at IIRC had 14 digital and 6 analog
23:51 <@sasquatc4> well its also hard to tell what you can and cant use, since alot of times they say, 'it has 23 i/o's on it', but of course they are all shared with the peripherals, so if you want to use one of em then your out some pins
23:51 <@sasquatc4> got a link to it?
23:52 <@Dagmar> So, the $30 arduino, a used wii nunchuck for the tilt/accelleration sensor, another $30 board for playing back uncompressed audio from an SDcard...
23:52 <@Dagmar> sasquatc4: SparkFun has it, as well as several other places
23:52 <@Dagmar> It's the newer $30 one with the USB interface
23:52 <@sasquatc4> you may be able to sample a real accelerometer from somewhere instead of having to hackup a wii nunchuck too
23:52 <@Dagmar> sasquatc4: Not *anywhere* nearly as cheap
23:52 < eryc> heh.. combination of wii remote and a scooter seems hilarious
23:53 <@sasquatc4> i know sparkfun also sells accelerometers too, thats where we got ours for the car project
23:53 <@Dagmar> I just want the nunchuck for tilt and motion sensors, i.e., the "fucking stop touching it" alarm
23:53 < eryc> shake the wiimote to activate the alarm
23:53 <@Dagmar> Pretty much
23:53 <@Dagmar> NotLarry's had one here patched into his arduino.  That part is definitely doable
23:53 < eryc> i was also picturing track and volume control of the mp3s
23:54 <@Dagmar> Arduino mp3 module is >$100
23:54 <@Dagmar> Fuck that
23:54 <@sasquatc4> hah
23:54 <@sasquatc4> yea
23:54 <@Dagmar> I have a $40 mp3 player made by Best Buy (Insignia) I can easily cannibalize
23:54 < eryc> well you can build one too but its not trivial
23:54 < eryc> i have the plans bookmarked somewhere
23:55 <@Dagmar> What I *really* wish is that someone sold a fucking display that worked in daylight worth a damn
23:55 <@Dagmar> ...that didn't also cost a hundred fuckin' dollars
23:55 <@sasquatc4> the only prob with trying to canabalise stuff is it could be in a form factor thats not really easily canabalisable
23:56 <@Dagmar> sasquatc4: I have the thing.
23:56 <@Dagmar> It's cannibalizable
23:56 <@Dagmar> Got some retarded bugs in it with respect to what kind of tags you can put in a file, but it works
23:57 <@sasquatc4> cool
23:57 <@Dagmar> Put enough album art in it that the total space used by that and the id3 tags exceeds about 28Mb or so and the thing crashes when it boots
23:57 <@Dagmar> ....which is a problem for me because my shit is obsessively and in detail tagged and album arted
23:58 <@sasquatc4> well i know alot of people got displays from here, http://www.crystalfontz.com/  mainly cause they have so many interface options so it doesnt take too much to hook it up whichever way you want
23:58 < eryc> http://www.myplace.nu/mp3/ # mp3 player
23:58 <@sasquatc4> 96x64 oled display for 22$
23:58 < eryc> uses ATmega161
23:58 <@Dagmar> WTF
23:58 < dasunt> WTF?
23:58 <@Dagmar> Last time I was at their site their prices were a lot higher than this
23:58 < dasunt> Stop talking.
23:59 < dasunt> I'm concentrating on not puking.
23:59 <@Dagmar> Well, yay on price drops
23:59 <@sasquatc4> hehe, yea, they do seem to go up and down, back when i did that one they were cheap, then i checked em out a few years later and they had gone up
23:59 <@sasquatc4> thsi is the first time ive been there in probably a year, they did get cheaper
23:59 <@Dagmar> Well, http://www.crystalfontz.com/product/CFAL9664B-F-B1.html
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