--- Log opened Wed Apr 15 00:00:09 2009
01:22 <@sdodson> what's it do?
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06:11 <@TheLightCosine> note to self: nmap -sS -sV -sU -O -T2 takes a long time to complete
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08:06 <@polerin> BFLHLFAhhaa>
08:07 <@polerin> Need Caffineeeee
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08:19 < ware> http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.175854&CMP=AFC-C8Junction
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08:27 <@m0j0-j0j0> sdodson: it gets your iphone all strung out, makes an album about it, becomes a millionaire, and continually  expects you to feel sorry for how hard its life is.
08:27 <@m0j0-j0j0> mornin Peaches
08:28 <@m0j0-j0j0> I need to go to work because I've not sold millions of albums yet, but don't worry.. Trent deserves your concern more than I do.
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08:38 <@polerin> heh, it's being talked about in two different places :P
08:44 <@Corydon76-dig> Combined Operational Load Bearing External Resistance Treadmill
08:44 <@Corydon76-dig> How's that for a backronym?
08:51 <@critch> wow, we have lots of options for this years PN, Oct-18 is a away game, Oct-25 is a bye, and Nov 8th is a away game, Only Nov 1 is a home game.
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08:57 <@TheLightCosine> gah, is anyone an expert on nessus by any chance?
09:04 <@CRasH180> not me
09:05  * polerin pokes critch with a malfunctioing SMS proxy
09:05 <@polerin> and an overly complex media stack with no attached documentation.
09:10  * TheLightCosine thwaps polerin with malformed nessus plugins
09:11  * polerin eats them for lunch with a nice lemon pepper sauce
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09:17 <@polerin> morning dragon
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09:38 < ware> so i havent seen any 4chan style .gif's of maddie yet...
09:46 <@M0j0-j0j0> I get to skip a meeting on a wednesday!
09:46 <@M0j0-j0j0> productivity here I come
09:48 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
09:48 <@TheLightCosine> yo dole
09:49 < ware> wutup dole
09:51 <@Dolemite> LFG Ulduar Must Link Achievement for Invite
09:52 < ware> LOLWUT
09:52 < ware> NO
09:55  * M0j0-j0j0 hugz Dolemite.
09:56 <@Dolemite> get off me, be0tch!
10:03  * Corydon76-dig hugs Dolemite 
10:03 < ware> yall done a DISC personality test/
10:04  * Corydon76-dig puts the personality test in the toaster.
10:04 <@Corydon76-dig> I wish the toaster to be happy, too
10:04 < ware> http://phneak.net/disc-personality-results.jpg
10:04 < ware> do i seem like that online?
10:05 <@I-MOD> did it come back negative?
10:06 < ware> its not good or bad, just supposed to define behaviour
10:06 < ware> err behavior
10:06 <@Dementia> oddball: must watch this! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0N1_0SUGlDQ&feature=player_embedded
10:07 < ware> apparently most engineers are supposed to be DC's
10:07 < ware> and im an SC
10:12 <@I-MOD> LOL
10:13 < ware> My answer to the pirate problem in Somalia, we need more ninjas
10:13 <@I-MOD> tactful, open-minded, predictable, consistent
10:14 < ware> YEAH! cept towards teh gay
10:17 <@TheLightCosine> SC?
10:18 <@TheLightCosine> whachu talkin bout ware?
10:18 <@Corydon76-dig> south carolinian
10:19 <@TheLightCosine> ah, i see, so it's like a Myers-Briggs type thing
10:19 <@TheLightCosine> but different
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10:20 <@timoguin> ware: DISC test URL?
10:21 <@TheLightCosine> yes provide url
10:22  * TheLightCosine is an ENTP in the Myeers-Briggs
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10:29 < ware> timoguin: its part of a paid business training program we're going thru
10:30 < ware> loads of fun
10:30 < ware> http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/JTypes2.asp similar to that
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10:32 <@TheLightCosine> yeah that one is a myers-briggs test heh
10:35 <@TheLightCosine> or a avriation on one anyways
10:36 < ware> i scroed INFP on that one
10:36 <@timoguin> I hate those.
10:36 <@sdodson> unixfg: Any chance you can test with the newer kernels available at http://people.redhat.com/dzickus/el5/ ?
10:36 <@TheLightCosine> heh i scored entp yet again
10:36 <@timoguin> Because my answer is usually something like, "Well, sometimes. . ."
10:37 <@TheLightCosine> i have the same persoanlity type as Richar Feynnman, i'm happy with that =P
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10:47 <@timoguin> TheLightCosine: I'm INTP as well.
10:47 <@timoguin> I don't think that's a good test though.
10:48 <@timoguin> It's difficult to answer yes or no to a lot of those questions.
10:48 <@timoguin> And my answers aren't usually static either.
10:49  * TheLightCosine is Entp not I
10:49  * TheLightCosine is Extraverted!
10:49 <@timoguin> I is introverted.
10:49 < ware> enviroment influences behavior a lot. we were told to choose based on how we usually felt / acted @ work
10:49 <@timoguin> I don't think I'm introverted though.
10:50 <@timoguin> I'd just rather watch movies at home a lot of the time than go to a shitty college party.
10:50 <@sdodson> I wonder how much corporate money is blown on that shit each year.
10:50 <@timoguin> But I'm outgoing in a crowd usually.
10:51 <@timoguin> sdodson: Probably too much.
10:51 <@timoguin> Anyway, I gotta go read.
10:51 <@sdodson> timoguin: that's cause you're drunk
10:52 < ware> M- drunk
10:52 <@timoguin> sdodson: Nope.
10:52 < ware> WTF IS THAT M- SHIT
10:52 < ware> <-
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10:58 <@M0j0-j0j0> warez: I thought you was going to stop drinkin again
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11:00 <@M0j0-j0j0> tee hee.. the Jung test locked up my browser... what does that say about my personality
11:02 <@TheLightCosine> you have an arresting personality?
11:02 <@ShadowHntr> corrupting
11:02 <@ShadowHntr> not arresting
11:03 <@TheLightCosine> hrm
11:03  * TheLightCosine can crash three important servers on our network..with only 3 small udp packets
11:06 <@M0j0-j0j0> I wonder if you would get a vastly different outcome if you asked a close friend to fill this out the way they think you would answer
11:06 <@TheLightCosine> heh
11:06 <@TheLightCosine> interesting idea
11:07 <@TheLightCosine> i think i'll have my wife try it when i get home
11:07 <@sdodson> M0j0-j0j0: That's how we've done those sort of tests. You fill it out and then a co-worker fills it out based on their opinions of you.
11:08 <@Drag0n`> that also suposses you wouldf fill out a personal question form the same way if you were filling it out with someone else watching, the results may change dependent on how close to you emotionaly the observer is
11:08 <@TheLightCosine> which would also say soemthing about your personality
11:08 <@TheLightCosine> =P
11:09 <@Drag0n`> yep
11:09 < fie> ISTP
11:09 < fie> 22	1	50	44
11:09 <@M0j0-j0j0> everyone I work with thinks I'm a complete monsterish bitch
11:09 <@TheLightCosine> M0j0-j0j0 is a woman?
11:09 <@Drag0n`> oh the tangled web of mental disorders
11:09  * TheLightCosine blinks
11:11  * TheLightCosine 's whole world view just shifted slightly
11:12 < fie> Crafters are hard to get to know. Perhaps this is because they tend to communicate through action, and show little interest in developing language skills. Their lack of expressiveness can isolate them at school and on the job, and even though they hang around with their own kind in play, they let their actions speak for them, and their actual conversation is sparse and brief.
11:13 <@M0j0-j0j0> TheLightCosine: umm.. no
11:13 <@TheLightCosine> oh
11:13 <@TheLightCosine> weeew
11:13 <@sdodson> M0j0-j0j0: why are you so angry?
11:13  * TheLightCosine puts his worldview back
11:14 <@M0j0-j0j0> TheLightCosine: have something you wrote keep a member of my team up all night trying to fix something and you will quickly find a size 11 boot wedged firmly up your ass
11:14 <@sdodson> Drag0n`: we had two co-workers do it and they didn't do it in your company.
11:14 <@sdodson> s/company/presence/
11:14 <@TheLightCosine> guys dun usually refer to themselves a a bitch =P
11:14 <@TheLightCosine> so i was confused
11:14 <@M0j0-j0j0> sdodson: my job is protecting me team.. watch someone try to mess with them and watch it happen
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11:17 <@M0j0-j0j0> TheLightCosine: I think there's a certain level of hateful soul squashing that can turn a male into a complete and insatiable bitch
11:17 <@sdodson> Why do they need to be protected?
11:19 <@M0j0-j0j0> sdodson: not all of them have the skills to cope with the political environment that is my companies management.  They're really a good team of folks and should enjoy writing eloquent code while I assassinate people that work against that happening.
11:20 <@M0j0-j0j0> sdodson: someone did it for me when I was in the place they are in now, and the deserve someone doing it for them as well.
11:22 <@M0j0-j0j0> I don't mind.  I enjoyed my time as a coder.  I enjoy the relationships I form with management, but I'll shoot you in the face and leave you laying in the grass the second there is a conflict with my main goal
11:23 <@M0j0-j0j0> maybe I shouldn't do the personality test after all :)
11:24 <@Drag0n`> why not, the results could be enlightening
11:24 < fie> Holy crap
11:24 < fie> communication also tends to be a key issue, since they generally express themselves non-verbally. When they do actually verbalize, ISTPs are masters of the one-liner, often showing flashes of humor in the most tense situations; this can result in their being seen as thick-skinned or tasteless.
11:24 < fie> This is so true for me.
11:27 <@M0j0-j0j0> ENTJ
11:28 <@M0j0-j0j0> Management/Science
11:28 <@M0j0-j0j0> Franklin D. Roosevelt, Margaret Thatcher, John P. Morgan, Norman Vincent Peale
11:29 < fie> you are listed as being my cohort
11:29 <@M0j0-j0j0> 67 75 25 67
11:29 <@M0j0-j0j0> fie: huh?
11:30 < fie> http://typelogic.com/entj.html
11:33 <@M0j0-j0j0> about 10 years ago I listed as a guardian
11:34 <@TheLightCosine> okay who here is l337 web dev?
11:35 <@Evilpig> I can make the pages
11:35 <@TheLightCosine> I mena like devloping web applications
11:35 < fie> OMG I HAS LEET SKILLZ
11:36 <@TheLightCosine> okay, i will take that to mean that fie is out =P
11:36  * fie shrugs
11:36 <@M0j0-j0j0> TheLightCosine: why don't you just ask the question and see what comes of it?
11:36 <@TheLightCosine> I just need a web developer's perspective on something
11:36 < fie> So I messaged this girl on OK cupid with "You are incredibly sexy but I don't think you can handle me. Maybe in another life time. :P"
11:37 < fie> TheLightCosine, ok, well maybe ask a question and post a link.
11:37 <@TheLightCosine> fair enough
11:37 <@TheLightCosine> can't psot a link cus it's internal only
11:37 <@M0j0-j0j0> TheLightCosine: set up an ssh tunnel
11:37 < fie> Setup RDP
11:37 <@TheLightCosine> neg
11:38 < fie> setup HTTP
11:38 <@M0j0-j0j0> run this root kit
11:38 < fie> Root my root kit
11:38 <@TheLightCosine> suppose you have a login page, and the user's is ahnded a session cookie pre-auth, that looks something like this: 1vZHJmJhKhLJJ7nxhk9jYqnqD8hdnD2X!-806645226
11:39 <@TheLightCosine> then when they auth they are given a DIFFERENT session cookie like this: GLfTJmJBX3GQYL1hLhfk55LLBgJtGsSk!-806645226
11:39 <@TheLightCosine> now, some of the data in that session cookie is identical
11:39 < fie> ... I assume that's supposed to be the session ID?
11:39 <@TheLightCosine> why on earth would you set it up this way, why even have a session cookie pre-auth, and why do this apssing off of data from one cookie to another?
11:40 < fie> So you can do things on the site without being logged in.
11:40 <@Corydon76-dig> TheLightCosine: you're asking about a developer's particular preferences
11:40 <@M0j0-j0j0> brute force tracking
11:40 < fie> Think of newegg... You can shop all day but when it's time to check out you have to log in.
11:41 <@TheLightCosine> there is nothing on the exterior of this app though
11:41 <@TheLightCosine> you cannot do anything pre-auth
11:41 < fie> Maybe the user system is modular.
11:41 <@Corydon76-dig> TheLightCosine: if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail
11:42 <@Corydon76-dig> The developer is used to using sessions, so everything they do requires a session
11:42 <@M0j0-j0j0> Corydon76-dig: you must have that on a post-it next to your monitor these days
11:42 < fie> It would be a good idea though to change the session id though. This way user data can't get stored with anonymous data.
11:42 <@Corydon76-dig> M0j0-j0j0: I think every good developer has gone through that phase.
11:42 <@Corydon76-dig> Unfortunately, the bad developers never come out of that phase
11:43 < fie> There's not a real reason why you couldn't just reuse the id though.
11:44 < fie> but the thing is... preauth gets copied to auth but not the other way. I think the user auth is probably modular though.
11:44 <@M0j0-j0j0> Corydon76-dig: I'd say that's a failing of management not the developer
11:44 <@TheLightCosine> grr
11:44 <@M0j0-j0j0> the I tell you to build a house and allow you to get away with only using a hammer... the house I get is the house I deserve.
11:44 <@TheLightCosine> lost my ssh session
11:44 <@TheLightCosine> that was annoying
11:45 <@M0j0-j0j0> TheLightCosine: user screen
11:45 <@TheLightCosine> Corydon76-dig: this sin't just some internal dev tho
11:45 <@TheLightCosine> this is a big commercial product
11:45 <@polerin> Corydon76-dig: that's why I want to do something radically different than what I've been doing recently
11:45 <@TheLightCosine> M0j0-j0j0: ?
11:45 <@M0j0-j0j0> TheLightCosine: and big commercial products don't do stupid things?
11:45 <@polerin> Corydon76-dig: for example, the arduino
11:45 <@TheLightCosine> not saying that
11:45 <@TheLightCosine> doing stupid things is what i'm after
11:46 <@TheLightCosine> i'm just trying to udnerstand this craziness
11:46 <@Corydon76-dig> TheLightCosine: I'm sorry, were you under the impression that big means better?
11:46 <@M0j0-j0j0> TheLightCosine: actually, it might be prep work for the next release which will allow unverified users to do something
11:46 <@TheLightCosine> M0j0-j0j0: heh not a chance
11:46 <@Corydon76-dig> TheLightCosine: big companies create big piles of shit, just like small developers
11:46 <@polerin> TheLightCosine: don't get me started on crazyness.  I'm having to dive headfirst into bad contractor copypasta where they didn't understand the idea of reusability at all, and they didn't understand how to use cake at all
11:47 <@M0j0-j0j0> Corydon76-dig: are you under the impression that bigger means better? :)
11:47 <@polerin> they just sorta... hung whatever they wanted wherever they wanted and then couldn't figure out why the christmass lights weren't blinking correctly
11:48 <@polerin> M0j0-j0j0: ...  You know... I think I should start an open source sex toy site.  XD
11:48 <@M0j0-j0j0> polerin: one light goes out.. they all go out!!!!
11:48 <@TheLightCosine> this auth process is insane though, ebcause in aiddition to the session cookie there is a "token' cookie
11:48 <@TheLightCosine> and this token cookie is multi-part
11:48 <@polerin> Arduino controled sex toys for everyone!
11:49 <@TheLightCosine> one part is static for a given user, obviosuly dientifying them
11:49 <@polerin> XD
11:49 <@M0j0-j0j0> polerin: the ENTJ thing should explain the previous discussion we had that ended with me saying something like "I know I could pick a fight with a sex toy"
11:49 <@TheLightCosine> but the second part is encoded differently from the first, and is not always the same encoding from session to session
11:49 <@TheLightCosine> one token was encoded utf-7 one base64 etc
11:49 <@polerin> the issue isn't picking the fight.  it's winning.
11:49 <@Corydon76-dig> TheLightCosine: and?
11:50 <@TheLightCosine> the whole thing has got me tied in knotts
11:50 <@polerin> castor knotts?
11:50 <@Corydon76-dig> Welcome to proprietary development... not necessarily better than open source, just hidden from view
11:50 <@M0j0-j0j0> TheLightCosine: maybe that's the point
11:50 <@TheLightCosine> M0j0-j0j0: it is the point
11:51 <@TheLightCosine> my task is to break it
11:51 <@M0j0-j0j0> TheLightCosine: security from obscurity is the oldest method I can think of
11:51 <@Corydon76-dig> Sounds like it's broken by design
11:51 <@TheLightCosine> my issue is, if i turn around, dust my hands and say "It's secure, and my buddy Dan goes at it and says  "I got in", I am gunna look like an assclown
11:51 <@polerin> M0j0-j0j0: actually the oldest method I can think of is "Hit it with a fucking rock"
11:52 <@TheLightCosine> typical me, I can't find a way to sneak in undetected, but i figured out how to burn the whole house down heh
11:52 <@M0j0-j0j0> TheLightCosine: hash the entire thing and make sure every transaction is verified and I'd say it is secure enough.
11:53 <@polerin> M0j0-j0j0: pass the salt please?
11:53 <@polerin> M0j0-j0j0: actually I think he's trying to figure out how to break in, not protect at this point
11:54 <@M0j0-j0j0> TheLightCosine: brute force is how I got my wings so.. don't knock it until you've tried it... fact is that most people aren't paying enough attention to notice a brute force hack when it happens
11:55 <@M0j0-j0j0> not that I know anything about any of this..
11:55 <@polerin> heh
11:55 <@polerin> default passwords wss mine
11:55 <@M0j0-j0j0> I'm just an old man that figured out how to install ubuntu
11:55 <@polerin> I made the mistake of trying to get the headend techs to understand why it was such a bad thing
11:56 <@TheLightCosine> polerin: yes at this point I am the agressor
11:56 <@TheLightCosine> and I am in epic fail
11:56 <@polerin> TheLightCosine: what's the setup?
11:56 <@TheLightCosine> I think I know how the auth process is working, but it's making an assumption based off how i would do it if i were them
11:56 <@polerin> I"ve not been paying attention
11:57 <@M0j0-j0j0> TheLightCosine: especially with perl you can do more string manipulation than anyone on the planet... just make a multi-threaded poster and spin up some vm's and go crazy
11:57 <@polerin> what kind of attack are you trying to do, break in without credentials, steal credentials, privilige escalation.. ?
11:57 <@TheLightCosine> M0j0-j0j0: not really an option
11:57 <@polerin> M0j0-j0j0: we are having to do a reporting system in PHP
11:57 <@TheLightCosine> and outside the scope of the exercise really
11:57 <@polerin> as much as I love PHP, it's not a freaking stat package.
11:57 <@TheLightCosine> bruteforcing would very likely get picked up by the IDS
11:58 <@TheLightCosine> polerin: privelege escalation primarily
11:58 <@M0j0-j0j0> hmm
11:59 <@TheLightCosine> If they've done what i think they have then it's secure
11:59 <@polerin> TheLightCosine: then why are you farting around with their auth scheme?
11:59 <@M0j0-j0j0> steal other peoples cookies
12:00 <@M0j0-j0j0> put a widget on the page that posts a users cookies to some log..
12:00 <@M0j0-j0j0> or put an autorun on a flash drive and go plug it into the admins laptop when they are at lunch
12:00 <@TheLightCosine> polerin: to try and be able to rpesent myself as another user, by figuring out how it is tracking who i am from page to apge
12:00 <@TheLightCosine> but i think all the real auth is happening back on the Oracle db end
12:01 <@M0j0-j0j0> is the db machine routable?
12:01 <@polerin> TheLightCosine: you mean it's relying on oracles actual authentication
12:01 <@TheLightCosine> I don't know where the db is, my best attempts to figure it out so far have met with nil
12:01 <@polerin> or that it's relying on authentication and authorization info stored in the db?
12:02 <@TheLightCosine> polerin the later
12:02 <@M0j0-j0j0> polerin: talk about stupid stuff in commercial code
12:02 <@TheLightCosine> i think it eprforms auth in the backend, then adds the suer and the session data to a table of current/active/authorised sessions
12:02 <@polerin> TheLightCosine: what interfaces DO you have?
12:02 <@TheLightCosine> that's what i'd do
12:02 <@TheLightCosine> so even if you tried a replay attack, it'd come up invalid cus that session would no longer be valid
12:03 <@TheLightCosine> just the web page
12:04 <@polerin> it's not just a web page
12:04 <@M0j0-j0j0> there must at least be some access to cgi
12:05 <@polerin> what interfaces does that give you
12:05 <@polerin> map your current access by way of what pages/actions the webapp gives you
12:05 <@TheLightCosine> it's almsot all JS
12:05 <@polerin> are there any user specified fields?
12:05 <@polerin> even better
12:05 <@TheLightCosine> at least on the suer side
12:05 <@polerin> attack the JS and the server side of ajax interfaces
12:06 <@polerin> but map them first
12:06 <@polerin> find all the urls it's calling when you walk around the site
12:06 <@M0j0-j0j0> TheLightCosine: pay attention to naming conventions of server resources
12:06 <@TheLightCosine> i've done that, not 100%, but looked through all the scripts and code to try and find reference to something further back
12:06 <@TheLightCosine> i came up with nothing
12:07 <@TheLightCosine> well not nothing
12:07 <@TheLightCosine> it exposed the netbios name of the servers
12:07 <@TheLightCosine> the app servers
12:07 <@TheLightCosine> not the DB
12:07 <@polerin> then look at how they are used and try inserting possibly usefull data into the forms
12:07 <@polerin> attack the web app itself
12:08 <@M0j0-j0j0> TheLightCosine: and the way they are NOT used
12:08 <@TheLightCosine> there's very little user input, and lots and lots of obfuscation and encopding going on heh
12:08 <@M0j0-j0j0> TheLightCosine: sometimes the most obvious info is exactly what is missing.
12:09 <@TheLightCosine> but i will take another crack at going through the code pages authed in as myself and see if i turn up more
12:09 <@M0j0-j0j0> .. did you try going to /admin
12:11 <@M0j0-j0j0> I <3 developers, but when it comes to naming sometimes they aren't the most creative group.
12:11 <@TheLightCosine> yews but god knows where to really try it
12:11 <@TheLightCosine> they have virtual directories and redirects everywhere
12:12 <@M0j0-j0j0> I bet it would take you less time to write a spider to map it out then it would for you to do it by hand
12:12 <@TheLightCosine> i actually considered doing that with lwp
12:13 <@M0j0-j0j0> polerin: when I started, having no password on your shell account was a frequent occurrence.
12:13 <@M0j0-j0j0> polerin: even for government security professionals
12:14 <@TheLightCosine> heh
12:14 <@TheLightCosine> i may also attempt to access and privklege eslaation on the server tiself
12:14 <@TheLightCosine> they have telnet and microsoft rdp running on the boxes
12:14 <@M0j0-j0j0> of course.. when I started someone was convicted for hacking because they used "hacker tools like xmodem"
12:15 <@TheLightCosine> lol
12:15 <@M0j0-j0j0> TheLightCosine: telnet... really?
12:15 <@TheLightCosine> yeah
12:15 <@M0j0-j0j0> TheLightCosine: is anyone using it?
12:15 <@TheLightCosine> among other things
12:15 <@TheLightCosine> dunno
12:17 <@TheLightCosine> anyways time for the drive home
12:17 <@M0j0-j0j0> peace and love
12:17 <@M0j0-j0j0> TheLightCosine: and I means that in the "no I'm not a female" kinda way
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12:28 <@polerin> M0j0-j0j0: the funny thing about /admin/ on cake is there's no such thing
12:28 <@polerin> it's a trickery with routing
12:29 <@polerin>  /admin/users/  actually goes to the UsersController::admin_index()
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12:30 <@M0j0-j0j0> polerin: it just never hurts to put 3 or 4 minutes into just random obvious stuff
12:31 <@Drag0n`> the cake is a spy!!!!!1
12:31 <@M0j0-j0j0> the cake is a lie
12:31 <@Drag0n`> the cake is != a pie!!!!!!
12:32 <@M0j0-j0j0> I almost bought that the other day.. I can't remember the last time I actually bought a game that wasn't for a console
12:32 <@polerin> M0j0-j0j0: of course not
12:32 <@polerin> heh
12:32 <@M0j0-j0j0> and I have a PS2 and a Wii so you know I'm not going to get Portal for either
12:33 <@Drag0n`> portal was fun, only wish it was multi player
12:34 <@polerin> yah
12:35 <@Drag0n`> imagine portal battles, lots of environ dangers to get your opponent with
12:38 <@polerin> I'm about to snap on someone
12:39 <@Drag0n`> oh SNAP!
12:39 <@polerin> he's not letting me finish a fucking sentence
12:39 <@polerin> not listening to a word I have to say
12:39 <@polerin> and is yelling at me randomly
12:39 <@polerin> the only reason I haven't already is becasue we are all stressed.  But this is bullshit
12:40 <@timoguin> hahaha
12:41 <@timoguin> @Drobo on twitter just posted "just curious, what's on your Drobo? And how much of it."
12:41 <@timoguin> I'm so tempted.
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12:42 <@timoguin> @Drobo Mostly underage eel porn, but I also have some rape fantasy stuff. 1TB worth on two 500GB drives. Need two more drives, ugh.
12:44 <@Drag0n`> @Drobo: that is clasified and the fact you asked has been noted. you will be receiving a visit from DHS regarding this seriouls breach of homeland security. we have a nice cell reserved for you somewhere safe. bring a towel for the waterboarding
12:44 <@M0j0-j0j0> polerin: you should calmly ask him "are you done?" and then when he finally says 'yes' just go back to doing whatever you had been doing and don't even try to explain
12:44 <@polerin> M0j0-j0j0: it won't work
12:44 <@polerin> trust me :P
12:44 <@polerin> done that
12:44 <@polerin> he keeps interupting
12:45 <@polerin> I'm a very very patient person, 10+ years of customer service and all that
12:45 <@polerin> but I'm about to go off on him.
12:45 <@Drag0n`> polerin, do you hace a 12v UPS batery avalable? start hooking leads up to it and grab a glass of water
12:45 <@polerin> it's over skype
12:45 <@polerin> trust me, he wouldn't be doing this in person.
12:45 <@M0j0-j0j0> polerin: I can be patient, but it's not a tool I overuse
12:45 <@polerin> you can't glare over skype
12:45 <@Drag0n`> oh, in that case, hit the X and close skype
12:45 <@polerin> can't, this is a must do.
12:45 <@polerin> :P
12:46 <@Drag0n`> mute?
12:46 <@timoguin> Away message?
12:46 <@timoguin> "Away: Too many douchebags calling me."
12:46 <@Drag0n`> hard to interupt when you cant hear him
12:46 <@M0j0-j0j0> I'm down with the mute thing
12:46 <@timoguin> haha mute would be more funny though
12:47 <@timoguin> he'd be yelling away.
12:47 <@timoguin> "ARE YOU LISTENING TO ME!?"
12:47 <@polerin> Drag0n`: he's nominal project lead for this and we are going over the issues
12:47 <@polerin> gah
12:47 <@polerin> so i'm basicly talking TO him
12:47 <@M0j0-j0j0> or playing a high pitch tone into the mic until he shuts up.
12:48 <@M0j0-j0j0> I do that over the phone a lot... just pound on a key until they shut up
12:48 <@rhia> write down a few sentences of points you have to make, keep repeating, from the beginning, everytime he interrupts
12:49 <@timoguin> It'll be like the O'Reilly/Frank argument.
12:49 <@M0j0-j0j0> I don't have to do that very often these days... I've got the people I have to deal with trained :)
12:49 <@rhia> once you've repeated the opening sentence about a half dozen times, he may just get frustrated enough to listen to the rest of it
12:50 <@M0j0-j0j0> except for this guy in DFW who gets so pissed off at me that he hangs up on me all the time
12:50 <@M0j0-j0j0> but I always call him right back and continue after saying "we must have got disconnected"
12:51 <@M0j0-j0j0> speaking of being disconnected... I have to do to a dept. meeting
12:51 <@M0j0-j0j0> meeting wednesday is awesome.
12:53 <@polerin> rhia: I tried, 6 times.
12:54 <@rhia> claim irritable bowel syndrome, get off the conversation, and send an email <g>
12:59 <@timoguin> M0j0-j0j0: hahaha "We must have gotten disconnected."
12:59 <@timoguin> I bet that will really piss off someone who likes to make a point by hanging up on people.
12:59 <@Drag0n`>  claim irritable bowel syndrome, stay on the phone, and keep a whoopie cushion off camera for making "irritable bowel" noises
12:59 <@timoguin> Like my girlfriend-ish.
13:01 <@timoguin> M0j0-j0j0: I'm going to do that from now on every time I get hung up on.
13:01 <@timoguin> Sure beats getting more pissed off.
13:03 <@polerin> canna, this is a "I'm stuck here talking with him"
13:07 <@Corydon76-dig> timoguin: Did you see the new app we announced on April Fools?
13:07 <@timoguin> Corydon76-dig: Don't think so.
13:07 <@Corydon76-dig> It adds static to a call...
13:08 <@timoguin> Nice.
13:08 <@timoguin> Back in my day, we just did it with our mouth.
13:09 <@Drag0n`> thats what a white noise generator is good for
13:12 <@Corydon76-dig> http://reviewboard.digium.com/r/214/diff/
13:51 <@Dagmar> This new wine law appears to be utterly useless
13:51 < ware> thought it was about to pass
13:51 < ware> then something happened and they threw it ou?
13:56 <@brimstone> reviewboard looks cool
13:56 <@Dagmar> ware: Well, for one thing, it allows someone to import five cases of wine a year
13:56 <@Dagmar> *only* five.
13:57 <@Corydon76-dig> You drink more than 60 bottles a year?
13:58 <@brimstone> thats more then a bottle a week
13:58 <@M0j0-j0j0> timoguin: it REALLY pisses people of so.. be careful
13:58 <@brimstone> i could pound that back
13:58 <@brimstone> NOT
13:58 <@Dagmar> I'm trying to find out if they changed that again
13:58 <@Dagmar> It was far less originally.
13:59 <@Corydon76-dig> Given that the only reason to import cases is if the local distributor does not, you're looking at bottles that cost at least $25 each
13:59 <@Corydon76-dig> So $1500 of wine
13:59 <@Dagmar> Like I care
13:59 <@Corydon76-dig> Dagmar: btw, is that per-household or per-person?
14:01 <@timoguin> How much is in a case?
14:01 < ware> that import restriction would suck for resellers
14:01 <@Corydon76-dig> timoguin: 12 bottles, typically
14:01 <@Dagmar> Finally found it
14:01 <@Dagmar> http://www.wtvf.com/Global/story.asp?S=10177222
14:01 <@Dagmar> So, if a winery obtains a $300 licence, they can ship up to three cases per household, per year
14:02 <@oddball> ware: That's the reason the limit is in place.
14:02 <@Dagmar> So basically, a $100 fee per case
14:02 < ware> http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs015.snc1/2959_1155070877212_1240899513_30421446_2085951_n.jpg
14:02 <@Corydon76-dig> Dagmar: only if the winery ships to a single household
14:02 <@Dagmar> ...or at least that's likely how it's going to be viewed
14:02 <@Corydon76-dig> If they ship to 2 households, it's $50/case
14:02 <@Corydon76-dig> 300 households, $1/case
14:03 <@Dagmar> LIke there's that many people in TN who buy and ship wine
14:03 <@Dagmar> This doesn't do anything about the insane monopoly protection shit
14:03 <@brimstone> wow, exchange 2010 includes support for SATA drives
14:03 <@Corydon76-dig> 300 doesn't sound all that unreasonable
14:04 <@Corydon76-dig> households, I mean
14:04 <@Corydon76-dig> Probably 200 of them are in Brentwood
14:04 <@Dagmar> Dude, if I said there was a bill I didn't like that required people to be set on fire, youd claim that it was really only a mild skin irritation
14:04 < ware> hahahaha
14:05 < ware> he would too
14:05 < ware> i think he just likes to troll
14:05 <@Corydon76-dig> Fine, whatever.
14:05 < ware> but usually has more tact than most
14:05 <@Dagmar> Either WTVF is more incapable of English than usual, or you are utterly misreading http://www.wtvf.com/Global/story.asp?S=10177222
14:05 <@Dagmar> "It would allow wineries that acquire a $300 licence to ship up to three cases to Tennessee consumers per year."
14:06 <@Corydon76-dig> I think the "per household" part might be missing.
14:06 <@Corydon76-dig> You're being too literal
14:06 <@Dagmar> Blah blah
14:07 <@Corydon76-dig> Then again, you're usually too literal
14:14 <@Corydon76-dig> HAH
14:15 <@Corydon76-dig> Been reading the bill.  The 5 case limit is a PER-DAY limit, not a per-year limit
14:16 < ware> YEAH!
14:16 < ware> NOW WUT
14:16 <@Corydon76-dig> And it's not limited to the household, but to the "customer"
14:16 < ware> trollhard.
14:17 <@oddball> 5 cases per day per consumer?
14:17 <@Corydon76-dig> The language in the law is per-customer
14:17 < ware> The best defense against the atom bomb is not to be there when it goes off.
14:17 <@Corydon76-dig> Presumably, whoever's paying
14:18 <@Corydon76-dig> So a couple can't import 10 cases, unless each is paying for 5
14:18 <@Corydon76-dig> in separate orders
14:19 <@polerin> what about an order with multiple customers noted on it, or multiple paying parties?
14:19 <@oddball> Yeah... if you're ordering more than that in a day, you're not consuming it yourself.
14:19 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: the bill doesn't get into that
14:19  * polerin nods
14:19 <@Corydon76-dig> oddball: I think the intent is to allow someone to purchase 5 cases individually, like for a wedding
14:20 <@oddball> Right
14:20 < ware> i want to be at that wedding!
14:20 <@oddball> But they have to put a mechanism in there in an attempt to stop people for setting up "undocumented" wine stores.
14:21 <@Corydon76-dig> oddball: you still have to pay the TN wine taxes
14:22 <@oddball> Right, but the way it stands now means that you have to go through a handful of state approved distributers.
14:22 <@Dagmar> ...who can't compete with each other.
14:25 < ware>  And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the
14:25 < ware>           tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
14:32 <@unixfg> sdodson: I just tried 138 and it did the same thing
14:37 <@sdodson> unixfg: thanks.
14:41 <@oddball> Dagmar: Yep, and they make a hell of a lot of profit because of that.
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15:11 <@Dementia> oddball: did you see that video I posted earlier?
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15:12 <@oddball> no, I didn't
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15:12 <@Dementia> lemme find
15:12 <@Dementia> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0N1_0SUGlDQ&feature=player_embedded
15:13 <@oddball> Oh, Plants vs Zombies, yeah... great video
15:13 <@oddball> Since PopCap put that video out on the 1st, at least one group assumed it was an April's fools joke.
15:14 <@Dementia> heh
15:14 <@Dementia> I love the zombie with the butter on his head
15:14  * oddball now has to listen to it at least one more time.
15:23 < ware> oh shit
15:23 < ware> that is the nastiest fart i have dispursed in awhile
15:23  * ware fans it towards Dementia 
15:25 <@brimstone> geebus ware
15:25 <@brimstone> eat more ruffage
15:25 <@brimstone> roughage?
15:25 <@brimstone> yay fonics!
15:25  * oddball lights a match and watches ware get set on fire by his own petard.
15:25 < ware> gotcha
15:26 < ware> haha petard, thats awesome
15:28 < ware> 3days 7hrs 31mins 57secs til 4/20
15:28 < ware> just in case you were wondering
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16:36 < scort> who wants to buy my bros car
16:37 <@ShadowHntr> what you got
16:37 < scort> http://huntsville.craigslist.org/cto/1123682830.html
16:38 <@ShadowHntr> wish i could afford that
16:38 <@ShadowHntr> :(
16:39 < scort> im about to change the oil on it
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16:50 <@Dagmar> The power of bacon: http://www.popsci.com/bacon
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16:54 < ware> Dagmar: thats hot
16:55 <@Dagmar> Bacon-powered cutting torch... Would the cops even believe that one if they caught you vandalising things with it?
16:56 < ware> Bacon AK-47 http://ping.fm/RAX4E
16:58 <@M0j0-j0j0> atomic pig power
16:58 <@Dagmar> It's the ultimate in anti-muslim-extremist technology
16:59 <@M0j0-j0j0> atomic evilpig power
16:59 <@Drag0n`> FPJ Full Prok Jackets
17:00 <@Drag0n`> pork even
17:00 <@M0j0-j0j0> Full Pron Jacket
17:01 <@Evilpig> http://wilpig.org/temp/pizzahut.jpg  <-- i'm funny
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17:02 < ware> Evilpig: that just got you ball hair on your pizza
17:03 <@Evilpig> probably
17:03 < ware> i love ordering pizza online
17:03 < ware> i dont have to move until i hear the doorbell
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17:05 <@M0j0-j0j0> Evilpig: broadcasting your phone number much?
17:05 <@Evilpig> like I care
17:06 <@M0j0-j0j0> I generally don't care, but around 3AM I really start to
17:07 <@M0j0-j0j0> I think the entire Raleigh crew has my number which I don't care about, but I'm sure eventually I'll end up regretting it.
17:08 < ware> M0j0-j0j0: we are a crew
17:09 < ware> if somebody really asked for help with someone harassing another person over the phone
17:09 <@M0j0-j0j0> ware: I really wouldn't trust you with my number
17:09 < ware> i dont doubt a few people would help remediating the situation
17:09 < ware> well you dont know me then :D
17:09 <@M0j0-j0j0> ware: I can't take the chance that you drunk dial the way you drunk irc
17:10 < ware> only my bestest friends get drunk calls from me
17:10 < ware> drunk irc is for anyone
17:11 <@M0j0-j0j0> ware: and I think we are a crew, but most of the group activities play out in TN
17:11 <@M0j0-j0j0> drunk irc is just4lawghls
17:11 < ware> agreed
17:11 < ware> and we is relative until shit hits the fan and you know who will help you out
17:12 <@TheLightCosine> narf
17:12 < ware> POINTE!
17:12 <@M0j0-j0j0> ware: I would like to think that the days of shit hitting the fan for me are over, but I'm sure it's really just a matter of time
17:13 <@TheLightCosine> M0j0-j0j0: you never know what lfie will throw at you
17:13 <@TheLightCosine> always good to ahve someone you turst to help you move a body
17:14 <@M0j0-j0j0> TheLightCosine: yeah, but I'm a little more conservative these days and avoiding any situation that ends with a gun pointed at my head and getting all my assets pwned by the gov is paramount.
17:15 <@M0j0-j0j0> TheLightCosine: and for bodies.. let me know.. I know a pig farmer
17:15 < ware> M0j0-j0j0: not in this terrorist state we live in
17:15 <@M0j0-j0j0> TheLightCosine: and if she's on vacation we can always make a trip to FL... I hear crocs love ham.
17:15 <@TheLightCosine> heh
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17:18 <@M0j0-j0j0> I'd still go to jail for some of the members of my old crew
17:18 <@TheLightCosine> *nod*
17:19 <@TheLightCosine> i'd do time and then some for some of my boys back in pa
17:21 <@M0j0-j0j0> I might do time for some of the guys here, but the bonds aren't as strong.. which makes sense since I've not known you folks for 25+ years
17:23 < ware> shiat
17:23 < ware> you do the deed, you do the time
17:23 < ware> to a degree, most should know better than to get themselves in something like that
17:23 <@M0j0-j0j0> ware: sometimes it's not that clear cut
17:24 <@M0j0-j0j0> ware: sometimes you take the hit to protect someone who shouldn't have to
17:24 < ware> just like in the movies?!
17:25 < ware> :P
17:26 <@M0j0-j0j0> well, we got busted making an alliance and people that could absorb it at the time stepped up and had the people that got busted role on them.
17:27 <@M0j0-j0j0> part of having a community is about stewardship
17:29 <@polerin> wow.
17:29 <@polerin> I never realized just how bad most of the interfaces were for mobile phones
17:29 <@polerin> jeesus this is crap.
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17:29 <@M0j0-j0j0> polerin: you mean the internal or the actual user interface
17:29 <@polerin> actual
17:30 <@polerin> never used mine for more than making a call.  This makes me happy.
17:30 <@polerin> BLECH
17:30 <@polerin> any time your phone has to rely on your home website, buried in series of links 4 deep to enter a url, it sucks.
17:32 <@M0j0-j0j0> polerin: the sad part is that it's actually better than it ever has been
17:33 <@M0j0-j0j0> my old phone used to reboot everytime someone sms'ed me a smiley
17:33 <@polerin> lol
17:33 <@polerin> even when you were on a call?
17:33 <@M0j0-j0j0> talk about info you don't want everyone to have :)
17:34 <@M0j0-j0j0> polerin: dunno... since I have the worst luck actually having a voice conversation on cell phones I usually just text
17:35 <@polerin> I'm starting to realize why everyone was so fucking gaga over the iphone, and agree with the view that "It's the first phone worth critiquing"
17:35 <@M0j0-j0j0> you would think that voice would be the most important thing and robust camera applications would be less important, but they keep making the camera apps better and voice sucks more than ever
17:36 <@M0j0-j0j0> polerin: I just wish that the iphone had a2dp
17:36 <@M0j0-j0j0> polerin: and a development platform that runs native on linux
17:36 <@polerin> heh
17:36 <@polerin> yeh.
17:37 <@M0j0-j0j0> (and support for x-forwarding)
17:37 <@polerin> though I'm not going to complain too much about that as my company looks like they are going to buy us mac's to do iphone dev on
17:38 <@M0j0-j0j0> my company will let me run mac if I want to, but I'm not really a fan of that idea... I've already had to learn windows and linux... isn't that enough?
17:38  * polerin shrugs
17:38 <@polerin> at this point it's another box to play with for me
17:38 <@M0j0-j0j0> if you want to get me on some platform I don't know squat about get me an AmigaOne
17:39 <@polerin> I'd not be giving up either my *nix or my windows box
17:40 <@M0j0-j0j0> eventually I'll do the hacintosh thing
17:41 <@M0j0-j0j0> but right now I'm more focused on .net and that's enough to worry about learning without looking into the weird aspects of objective c
17:42 <@Dagmar> HAHAH
17:43 <@Dagmar> Bad news, .NET has that very same weird shit in it
17:43 <@Dagmar> Makes me want to kill
17:43 <@Dagmar> Where Ruby steals the good stuff from 3-4 languages, the point of .NET seems to be to steal just the obnoxious *shit* from a half-dozen languages and bundle it all into Visual Basic
17:45 <@M0j0-j0j0> we tried ruby here, and some folks loved it
17:45 <@M0j0-j0j0> I was ambivalent
17:46 <@Evilpig> awwwwwwww damn!
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17:47 <@M0j0-j0j0> Evilpig: ever thought about being a game tester?
17:47 <@Evilpig> yeah.  but this was a real job
17:48 <@M0j0-j0j0> Game Testers are temporary positions and all resumes must go through our staffing agency Technisource, A Subsidiary of Spherion.  Contact information for Game Tester positions:  Robin Cox, phone: 919-852-1977   fax: 919-859-2665   email: robincox@spherion.com.  No resumes will   be accepted by Red Storm directly.
17:49 <@Dagmar> It would be sad to get fired for failing to make a jillion points at Pac Man
17:49 <@Dagmar> ...but with Spherion involved, count on it.
17:49 <@M0j0-j0j0> http://www.viciouscycleinc.com/employment/index.cfm
17:50 <@ShadowHntr> yeap
17:50 <@ShadowHntr> i hate Spherion
17:50 <@M0j0-j0j0> check out the next idga meeting in your area and see what they can hook you up with
17:55 <@M0j0-j0j0> http://destineergames.com/news/careers/
17:57 <@M0j0-j0j0> http://www.emergent.net/en/Careers/
17:57 <@M0j0-j0j0> those are the only ones that I know of in my area
17:59 <@M0j0-j0j0> I used to really enjoy coding tight graphic stuff, but I don't like games that much and the demo scene doesn't really pay the bills
18:02 <@polerin> actually I want to learn R
18:02 <@polerin> not because I actually understand anything about stats, just because it'd be interesting
18:26 <@M0j0-j0j0> well folks... I think I'm headed for the gym.  Have a good night.
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19:08 <@polerin> I can throw multiple <VirtualHost *> ... </VirtualHost> tags into the same config file correct?  (meh, this is why I'm not a sysop :P
19:12 < astralsin> polerin: yep
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19:35 <@kiawani> .names
19:35 <@kiawani> oops
19:39 < eryc> http://www.spinninghat.com/product/blood-bath-shower-curtain
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20:07 <@Dagmar> eryc: That's lovely
20:08 <@Dagmar> A damn shame it's only in limey-bucks
20:09 <@Dagmar> Ba-a-a-a--a-a-a-acon! http://media.fukung.net/images/13035/bbd88dd1c34166e034b537128356b74e.jpg
20:10 <@Dagmar> It's a bacon, bacon, bacon, bacon, bacon, bacon, bacon, bacon, bacon, bacon, bacon, bacon, bacon, bacon, bacon, bacon, bacon and bacon sandwich.
20:13 <@Dagmar> ...with extra bacon.
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20:30 < eryc> wow
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20:44 <@CRasH180> That is my kind of sandwich
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20:55 <@polerin> what's a newline in a regex?
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20:55 <@polerin> :P
20:55 <@brimstone> $?
20:55 <@brimstone> or \n
20:55 <@polerin> k
20:58 <@polerin> danke
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21:35 <@Dagmar> $\
21:35 <@Dagmar> ...not \n
21:37 <@brimstone> usually you don't match on newlines, as you match per lines
21:38 <@Dagmar> It's not a pattern match.
21:39 <@Dagmar> print "blach blah blah$\";
21:39 <@Dagmar> $\ is the platform-agnostic form for newline (\n)
21:39 <@Dagmar> On Win32, it'll be \r\n, on Unix \n
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22:01 <@sdodson> Corydon76-dig: http://14.media.tumblr.com/v6rsP0Lfolqvc4yt8ISWCleTo1_500.jpg
22:02 <@CRasH180> lol
22:07 <@Dagmar> That is *so* fuckin' wrong
22:08 < ware> at least the label doesnt look like goatse
22:09 < ware> the strong arm grabbing the plunger is almost just as bad
22:13 < astralsin> thats fucking gross
22:39 <@mtown_nerd> I like how it's "churn style"
22:39 <@mtown_nerd> LIKE MA PAPPY USE TA MAKE
22:47 < ware> mtown_nerd: how'd you fare in the tornados?
22:48 <@mtown_nerd> No tornadoes here.  :x
22:49 <@mtown_nerd> Memphis rarely ever gets hit by serious tornadoes.  It's happened a couple of times, and it hits the areas around us really hard some times...but where I am, the city itself, rarely ever gets anything more than a lot of wind and noise
23:01 < ware> http://www.davinciinstitute.com/new/admin/content/FCKeditor/uploads/SeaCableHi.jpg
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