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08:13 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
08:15 <@TheLightcosine> morning
08:19 <@rattle> Morning.
08:25 <@Dolemite> hehehehe, here's a good chuckle for you in the morning
08:25 <@Dolemite> http://www.boingboing.net/2009/03/30/dramatic-readings-of.html
08:33 <@polerin> yeah saw that yesterday
08:36 <@Dolemite> "oh, honey, don't go in the bedroom because there are 2 gay men fucking in the bed."
08:37 <@Dolemite> "hey, mom, I'm going to go fuck a hooker!"
08:44 <@TheLightcosine> hahaha
08:46 < fie> God I wish the world were ran by atheists
08:47 <@Dolemite> so you can have as many abortions as you want?
08:47 <@Dolemite> or so that you can fuck hookers and smoke pot?
08:47 < fie> Yes :(
08:47 < fie> Yes :(
08:47 <@Dolemite> (d) All of the above
08:47 < fie> And have gay sex in a stranger's house
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08:56 < ware> morning
08:59 < fie> bleh
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09:23 < ware> Evilpig: ping
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09:25 <@M0j0-j0j0> I have no confirmed that Florida does exist
09:26 < fie> it does
09:26 < fie> I confirmed it this year.
09:26 < fie> but you should go yourself.
09:26 < ware> shut your fie hole
09:26 < fie> and hate it as much as I did
09:26 <@M0j0-j0j0> and it only cost me several tanks of gas, 4 days and having my engine rebuilt
09:27 <@M0j0-j0j0> fie: If you didn't get put on as a ranch hand while you was down I don't imagine your could have been comparable.
09:28 <@nachoguy> mr0nin
09:28 <@M0j0-j0j0> that's the bad thing about going to see my family.  They assume that if I'm there I'll be happy to deal with cattle.
09:29 <@M0j0-j0j0> m00
09:31 <@Dolemite> I'm always happy to deal with cattle
09:31 <@Dolemite> on my plate
09:31 <@Dolemite> cooked medium rare
09:31 < ware> aye
09:33 <@M0j0-j0j0> guess that depends on how much time you spent raising them.  Knowing who you're eating makes it a little different.  I still eat it because I'm a card hearted asshole, but I don't blame my niece for not wanting to eat a cow she has friendship with
09:33 <@M0j0-j0j0> s/card/cold
09:35 <@M0j0-j0j0> I think that's the entire reason she went vegan.  Which isn't a popular choice in a family that has had cattle since the Sooners.
09:36 <@M0j0-j0j0> louawlzwarez
09:38 < ware> UR FUKIN RITE DOOD
09:38 < ware> so how long can someone give the same speech in a staff meeting?
09:38 < ware> seriously, this is going on 6 months
09:38 < ware> same shit, just stirred a bit with a few new options
09:39 < ware> we need some implementation enforcement / smackdown
09:39 < ware> talkin about shit is fine but you GOTTA CHANGE YOUR PROCESSES!
09:39 < ware> </rant>
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09:57 <@Dolemite> ware : Quote some ITIL back at him.  Tell him that you've been reading up on some things that could possibly help, and you think that a good Change Management foundation would benefit the quality of work by reducing common mistakes.
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10:11 < ware> and my day is fucked
10:11 < ware> lol i love this place
10:11 <@Dolemite> where are you working at these days, by the way?
10:11 < ware> same place
10:11 <@Dolemite> I didn't think Burger King had in-house IT
10:12 < ware> yeah they got L1 helpdesk about a year ago
10:12 <@Dolemite> bring me some fries, be0tch!
10:12 < ware> i multitask the fry station and the noc
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10:13 <@Dolemite> MmMmMmMmm...  deep fried plenum grade CAT6 potatoes
10:14 <@polerin> wow the keyboard on this thing is weird
10:14 < ware> whatcha typin on
10:14 <@Dolemite> a thing, obviously
10:14 <@polerin> mini-9
10:14 <@polerin> just got delivered the other day
10:14 <@polerin> err
10:15 < ware> nice
10:15 <@polerin> not the other day, a few min ago
10:15  * polerin is distracted
10:15 < ware> k so the security guy here is telling us remediation steps for conficker
10:15 < ware> step 1) change all dns to opendns
10:15 < ware> wtf
10:15 <@brimstone> that's not a bad first step, but not a good one either
10:15  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
10:16 < ware> its a noob step
10:16 < ware> imo
10:16 <@Dolemite> Step 1) Don't let your computer get infected
10:16 < ware> he says we should be using opendns for everything
10:16 < ware> proactive ftw
10:16 <@Dolemite> Step 3) Profit!
10:20 < ware> *headdesk*
10:20 < ware> "hopefully this will just be the next Y2K, but it has the potential to shut down everything on the internet"
10:20 < ware> scare tactic money grubbin' noob
10:21 < aestetix> Oh, the conflicker worm?
10:23 < ware> yay i get to teach people here how to use nmap
10:23 < ware> aestetix: lol yeah
10:24 < aestetix> That thing looked annoying.
10:24 < ware> "yes, you can scan more than one machine at a time..."
10:24 < aestetix> Although I haven't finished reading the analysis of it yet.
10:24 < ware> this is gonna be a long day
10:24 < ware> its pretty sweet, lemme get this link
10:25 < aestetix> Schneier posted a link to an awesome analysis.
10:26 < ware> http://iv.cs.uni-bonn.de/wg/cs/applications/containing-conficker/
10:26 < ware> http://mtc.sri.com/Conficker/
10:26 < aestetix> Yeah, I think it was that second one
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10:27 < aestetix> BTW, if anyone is interested in security research
10:27 < aestetix> http://community.core-sdi.com/~gera/InsecureProgramming/LinkedBy.html
10:27 < aestetix> http://www.morenops.com/blog/?paged=5 this complements the former
10:28 < aestetix> er, fuck
10:28 < aestetix> http://community.core-sdi.com/~gera/InsecureProgramming
10:29 < aestetix> Although it's useful if you already know a few basics of reversing
10:29 < aestetix> Or just like... cmp, etc
10:29 < aestetix> Since the first five are literally cmp challenges :p
10:29 <@Catonic_lp> sup stetix?
10:29 < aestetix> Catonic_lp: word
10:29 <@Catonic_lp> exercise.
10:30 < aestetix> Cool.
10:30 <@Catonic_lp> how's SF?
10:30 < aestetix> Not bad.
10:31 < aestetix> I swear to god, there is a TON of social drama here.
10:31 < aestetix> And I'm not even sleeping with anyone.
10:34 <@Corydon76-dig> I've been officially working on Asterisk too long.  I saw the word "TON" capitalized, and the first thing I thought of was Q.931 type-of-number field.
10:34 <@Dolemite> Gee, I was thinking about 12,000 BTUs
10:35 <@Corydon76-dig> aestetix: what's his name?
10:36 <@brimstone> aestetix: how do you do the first one? all i can get it to do is segfault :/
10:36 < aestetix> Corydon76-dig: you already know what's up, don't you? :)
10:37 < aestetix> brimstone: I'm actually still trying to figure out gdb. Most of my work has been in olly
10:37 <@brimstone> so you don't just dump data into it?
10:37 <@brimstone> herm
10:37 < aestetix> I mean, to solve something like that, I'd normally set a breakpoint on the cmp instruction, then when it hits, either manipulate eax, or swap the jmp flag
10:38 < aestetix> Corydon76-dig: there's a lot of drama, and it's all centered around Jake. That's all I'm going to say.
10:38 <@brimstone> aestetix: i thought you just kinda threw bad data into it
10:38 <@brimstone> herm
10:38 < aestetix> brimstone: another way to solve it is just change jne to je
10:39 <@brimstone> maybe gcc is protecting me?
10:39 <@Catonic_lp> aestetix: he has spies in the Gay Mafia
10:39 <@brimstone> i just gcc -o stack1 stack1.c
10:39 < aestetix> I don't think gcc uses canaries by default.
10:39 < aestetix> When I compiled it, it complained and gave me lots of warnings.
10:40 < aestetix> Such as "do not use this function or you will be pwned" or the equivalent.
10:40 <@Corydon76-dig> aestetix: Would he settle down if Jake had a lover?
10:40 < aestetix> Corydon76-dig: I've seen him go through three lovers in the last month.
10:40 <@Corydon76-dig> aestetix: fuck him, already
10:41 < aestetix> Do you know who I'm referring to?
10:41 <@Corydon76-dig> If he went through 3, those aren't lovers.  Those are tricks.
10:41 <@Corydon76-dig> Nope
10:41 < aestetix> Appelbaum.
10:42 <@brimstone> the md5 ca cert guy?
10:42 <@brimstone> and the "nested prenes" guy?
10:42 < aestetix> brimstone: let's just say when you combine security brilliance with the SF burner scene....
10:43 < aestetix> I mean, there's no question. The guy is a fucking genius.
10:44 < aestetix> In any case.
10:44 < aestetix> brimstone: how well do you know gdb?
10:44 < aestetix> I'm asking because I don't.
10:44 <@brimstone> you know it more then me
10:44 <@brimstone> i can run BT and email it to a developer like none other though
10:45 < aestetix> BT?
10:45 <@brimstone> as far as moving around and whatnot, nothing
10:45 <@brimstone> backtrace, i think
10:45 < aestetix> oh
10:46 < aestetix> I think redpantz gave a talk about this stuff at phreaknic.... last year? two years ago?
10:46 < aestetix> brimstone: but yeah, the blog I linked you to goes through the important phrack articles
10:47 <@brimstone> link? eh?
10:47 < aestetix> the morenops.com link
10:47 <@brimstone> ah
10:47 <@brimstone> got it
10:47 < aestetix> These are actually really useful.
10:47 < aestetix> 90% of crackmes are really shitty VB programs made by programmers who don't know what they're doing.
10:55 < aestetix> brimstone: http://www.cs.swarthmore.edu/~richardw/cs33/howto_gdb.html
10:58 <@brimstone> herm
10:58 <@brimstone> Stack frame at 0x61616169:
10:58 <@brimstone>  eip = 0x8048458 in main; saved eip Cannot access memory at address 0x61616165
10:58 <@brimstone> i got that far...
10:58 <@Corydon76-dig> brimstone: I don't know anybody who knows the ins and outs of gdb.  We use it to examine memory and such, but I don't mess with stepping through code or breakpoints
10:59 < aestetix> Corydon76-dig: I do, but not with gdb.
10:59 <@brimstone> i thought you guys were gnu dev tool ninjas
10:59 <@brimstone> now i know the truth
10:59 <@brimstone> i feel jaded and abused now
11:00 < aestetix> It's not my fault the gnu debugging tools suck for this stuff.
11:00 < aestetix> Although that's probably more because the linux kernel actually properly protects a lot of memory space...
11:01 < aestetix> Actually, I don't know. Can you change register values on the fly in linux?
11:02 <@Corydon76-dig> brimstone: Actually, we generally write our own tools, because while gdb can give you a good idea, it doesn't always give you the end result you want
11:03 <@Corydon76-dig> Like for memory corruption.  gdb can tell you the end result, but you almost never can simulate the exact races that result in memory corruption
11:03 <@Corydon76-dig> And that's a case, where, okay, you know it's memory corruption, but that's useless for finding the actual problem
11:04 <@Corydon76-dig> You have to switch to something like valgrind for that
11:05 <@Corydon76-dig> or fd leaks... I just wrote a tool for tracking those down
11:05 <@Corydon76-dig> because gdb and valgrind are both inadequate for that
11:07 < aestetix> brimstone: these challenges seem more about smashing the stack, though.
11:07 < aestetix> With gets, it isn't very hard.
11:08 <@brimstone> yet we can't do it
11:08 <@brimstone> well, i can't at least
11:08 <@brimstone> even following that blog examples
11:09 <@brimstone> well, i can smash the stack i guess, but not make it do anything productive
11:10 < aestetix> The blog examples are useful, but not good walkthroughs.
11:10 < aestetix> If you want a really useful walkthrough, read Smashing the Stack
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11:12 <@brimstone> not really, i just want to do this one little stack1 example and feel good about myself for the rest of the day
11:14 <@brimstone> you win!
11:14 <@brimstone> huh
11:14 <@brimstone> herm, ok, i'm done
11:17 < aestetix> You at least see what the python scripts are doing?
11:17 <@brimstone> buf: bfa4e060 cookie: bfa4e0b0
11:17 <@brimstone> you win!
11:17 <@brimstone> yup
11:17 <@brimstone> didn't see it was reversed though
11:17 <@brimstone> why is that?
11:18 <@brimstone> why is the input DCBA and not ABCD like the code suggests?
11:18 < aestetix> I believe it's because of the endians
11:20 <@brimstone> one little, two little, three little endians
11:20 <@Corydon76-dig> four little, five little, six little endians
11:20 <@brimstone> but i compiled and ran it on an x86 processor, isn't that little endian?
11:20 <@brimstone> i don't know what i'm talking about
11:21 <@Corydon76-dig> brimstone: Correct.  Little endian is the opposite of network order
11:22 <@brimstone> there's a network involved now? geebus
11:23 <@Corydon76-dig> brimstone: network order is the order in which people expect to see numbers laid out
11:24 <@Corydon76-dig> aka big endian
11:25 <@TheLightcosine> ~"that's one big endian"
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11:26 <@Corydon76-dig> 10 little endian boys
11:27 <@TheLightcosine> god this dya cannot ebnd soon enough i'm so tired i feel liek i'm gunna pass out
11:28 <@rhia> looks like your fingers already have
11:29 <@TheLightcosine> hush you
11:29 <@TheLightcosine> you know that feeling when yer so tired you are starting to feel drunk
11:30 <@rhia> nod
11:30 <@TheLightcosine> yeah that's where i'm at now
11:30  * TheLightcosine is going to stuff his children in a trunk tongiht so he can get some sleep
11:31 < eryc> http://imgur.com/CSI0M.jpg
11:32 <@Corydon76-dig> TheLightcosine: how old are the kids now?
11:32 < eryc> not old enough for you
11:32 <@TheLightcosine> 2 and 6 months
11:32 <@TheLightcosine> 2 years old and 6 months that is
11:33 <@Corydon76-dig> TheLightcosine: I'd babysit one night if you and the wife need to get out
11:34 <@Corydon76-dig> Is the 2 year old out of diapers yet?
11:35 <@TheLightcosine> heh, no we're working on that still
11:35 <@TheLightcosine> she's fucking sutbborn
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11:40 < ware> run
11:42 <@rhia> TheLightcosine: out manipulate her, "you want _____? that's for big girls who use the potty, not babies who still wear diapers"
11:43 <@TheLightcosine> yeah we're trying
11:44 <@TheLightcosine> she is just starting to calm down from the agressiveness spike when ehr sister was born
11:49 <@Dolemite> TheLightcosine : I have a toy box that I've been building for my son.  You can easily stuff 6 toddlers inside without any permanent damage.  You want the Google Sketchup plans for it?
11:49 <@TheLightcosine> hahaha
11:50 <@Dolemite> My 3 year old is potty trained for #1 but not #2.  He's pretty much right on schedule for the average.
11:50 <@Dolemite> You are really accomplishing something if you can get a 2 year old to sit down on the potty to poop.
11:51 <@TheLightcosine> not there yet
11:51 <@TheLightcosine> but we are in the stage where we hide when we poop
11:51 <@Dolemite> Well I was mainly referring to Corydon's question about whether your 2 year old was out of diapers
11:52 <@Dolemite> Our son has done it a couple of times on the potty, but not consistently
11:52 <@Dolemite> He moved to the 3-4 year olds class this week, though.  That should have a positive effect on him.
11:52 <@Dolemite> He had been the oldest in a mixed 2-3 year old class.
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12:00 <@TheLightcosine> time to go
12:14 <@brimstone> srsly, what's with EVERYTHING using python?
12:22 <@Dolemite> woot.  Tomorrow the bank will automatically withdraw the last payment for my car.
12:25 <@nachoguy> paid off?  nice
12:26 <@nachoguy> brimstone, that and ruby.  It's like people fell down an up escalator and forgot about perl
12:27 <@brimstone> nachoguy: let's bring perl back
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12:27 <@brimstone> i understand the ruby guys are just fanboys looking for The Next Big Thing
12:28 <@brimstone> nachoguy: did you see http://code.google.com/p/unladen-swallow/ ?
12:30 <@nachoguy> I did
12:30 <@nachoguy> other than the name, I'm not sure why I care really.
12:30 <@nachoguy> OMGoptimized python
12:31 <@brimstone> they might actually make python usable
12:31 <@brimstone> nah, my only gripe with python is the indenting
12:31 <@Dolemite> I'm just happy to see less perl.  My eyes are finally starting to uncross.
12:31 <@Dolemite> heh
12:31 <@Dolemite> nachoguy : Nicer than being able to say that my car is paid off will be the extra $425/month in my bank account.
12:31 <@brimstone> i'll admit it, i've written some ugly perl, but it worked
12:31 <@nachoguy> I prefer the ability to stack multiple things on one line
12:32 <@nachoguy> brim, that's how I roll.  If I write it, it's probably ugly as sin, but it's going to work
12:33 <@nachoguy> I don't always "one liner" things, but I like the ability to do so.
12:33 <@brimstone> if it was hard to write, it should be hard to read i always say
12:33 <@nachoguy> Dolemite, yeah, I can't wait for someone to take my condo off my hands.
12:33 <@nachoguy> that reminds me, anyone want to buy a condo in the Chicago burbs?
12:34 <@Dolemite> I'm telling ya, need to butter up Dementia
12:34 <@nachoguy> not sure she wants something that permanent.  Also, it's nowhere near where she works
12:35 <@Dolemite> See?  You don't know how to sell it!
12:35 <@nachoguy> it's easily add an hour, hour and twenty to her commute
12:35 <@Dolemite> * Conveniently located to public transportation hubs
12:35 <@nachoguy> spoke.  transportation spoke
12:35 <@nachoguy> it's fantastic for going downtown
12:36 <@brimstone> * close to urban nightlife
12:36 <@Dolemite> * Easy access to nightlife attractions
12:36 < eryc> * free hooker
12:37 <@Corydon76-dig> Dementia doesn't need a hooker.
12:37 <@brimstone> she needs 2 hookers!
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12:41 < eryc> remember kids, never kiss a hooker.
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12:41 < fie> eryc, what if she's your mum?
12:41 <@nachoguy> yeah Vince "you're gonna love my nuts" shlomi figured it out
12:53 <@Corydon76-dig> I'm pretty sure Rohrschach never kissed his mum
13:03 <@polerin> but did he see a lantern
13:04 <@polerin> what's funny is that the rohrshach test is useless on someone who's read how it's supposed to work :P
13:04 <@brimstone> link to how it's suppose to work
13:05 <@brimstone> i just say crap like "pretty flowers" and "laughing children" etc
13:08 <@polerin> lol
13:09 <@polerin> it''s really a test for schitzophrenia mostly
13:09 <@polerin> of questionable use.. sec, looking for a link
13:20 <@polerin> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rorschach_inkblot_test  (not perfect, and not where I got my info)
13:20 <@polerin> but it's got some stuff in there
13:24 <@Corydon76-dig> This has all 10 images:  http://www.deltabravo.net/custody/rorschach.php
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13:30 <@polerin> really? that
13:31 <@polerin> 's interesting..  they are copyrighted.
13:31 <@TheLightcosine> heh
13:31 <@polerin> the one thing don
13:31 <@TheLightcosine> brimstone: hence why Rorschach says "a pretty butterfly" when he sees a split open dog's skull
13:31 <@brimstone> TheLightcosine: yup
13:31 <@polerin> 't like about the netbook is the enter is where the " should be
13:32 <@brimstone> polerin: ha
13:32 < eryc> are there any netbooks with bluetooth?
13:32 <@polerin> eryc: this one
13:32 < eryc> i want to tether with my iphone
13:32 <@polerin> brimstone: you could give the very worst answers possible too
13:32 < eryc> polerin: which one is that
13:32 <@polerin> as long as it wasn't something where they were going to actually lock you up
13:32 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: I call bullshit on the copyright.  With the lengthiest copyright available to an individual, the Rohrshach test is long since expired
13:32 <@polerin> eryc: a mini-9
13:33 <@polerin> Corydon76-dig: everything I was seeing was saying that it was, and this was only a year or two ago
13:33 < eryc> are you getting a full 4hrs on that battery?
13:33 < eryc> do they offer "extended" batteries?
13:33 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: I'm sure a lot of people would like it to still be under copyright, but it just isn't so
13:34 < eryc> did u get white or black?
13:34 < eryc> or red
13:34 <@polerin> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/Image:Rorschach_inkblot_test.gif
13:34 < eryc> or artsy
13:34 <@polerin> eryc: I just got it today, so donno, black, and I don't think they do
13:34 < eryc> ah
13:34 < eryc> thanks
13:34 <@polerin> however they do let you take the battery out if i'm seeing correctly
13:36 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: EVERYTHING published before 1923 (1921 for the Rohrshach test) is in the public domain.  Source: http://www.copyright.cornell.edu/public_domain/
13:36 <@TheLightcosine> i did the rorschach once a long time ago heh
13:37 <@TheLightcosine> that and these tests where they make you draw things
13:37 <@Corydon76-dig> TheLightcosine: current thinking is that the interpretation of the test says more about the test-giver than the test-taker
13:37 <@TheLightcosine> "Draw a House." "Now Draw a person, any person" "Draw your mother" etc
13:37 < eryc> polerin: did u get the 1.3Mpx cam?
13:37 <@TheLightcosine> "draw the most improtant thing in the world to you"
13:37 <@TheLightcosine> "draw what you hate most"
13:37 <@TheLightcosine> then they analsyed what i drew and even how i drew it
13:38 < eryc> Corydon76-dig: when was mickey mouse published?
13:38 <@brimstone> 1928
13:38 <@TheLightcosine> like the fact that i started drawing a perosn from the feet up instead of ehad down supposed meant something
13:38 <@TheLightcosine> it was all kind of a crock of shit
13:38 < eryc> so 5 more years of disney left?
13:38 < eryc> about time for another copyright extension bill!
13:38 <@brimstone> eryc: just about!
13:39 <@TheLightcosine> i had to play along to be allowed back into high school though heh
13:39 <@Corydon76-dig> It's about time to introduce some logic into copyright laws.  Flat 25 years for everything.
13:39 <@Corydon76-dig> Or less.
13:39 <@brimstone> 2020 actually
13:39 <@polerin> lol I just had 4 people converge on us about the netbooks
13:39 <@brimstone> However, within the United States, European Union and some other jurisdictions, the Copyright Term Extension Act (sometimes called the 'Mickey Mouse Protection Act' due to extensive lobbying by the Disney corporation) and similar legislation has ensured that works such as the early Mickey Mouse cartoons will remain copyrighted until at least 2020.
13:39 <@brimstone> to quote the wiki
13:40 <@polerin> eryc: nah, I've no need to do webcams.
13:40 < eryc> why not everyone wants to get nekkid on skype
13:40 <@polerin> eryc:  **twich**
13:41 < eryc> a maxed out m9 is $474 and you can get an extra battery for $100
13:41 <@polerin> yeh, dinna need the maxed out
13:42 < eryc> 2gb ram, 32gb ssd, 1.3mp cam, ubuntu
13:42 <@polerin> I got 1 gig ram, the lowest hdd, no cam, ubuntu
13:42 <@polerin> bluetooth though
13:42 < eryc> the cam is builtin
13:42 <@polerin> I know
13:42 <@polerin> I
13:43 < eryc> ic
13:43 <@polerin> gah the ' is killin me
13:43 <@polerin> I've really no need for it
13:43 <@brimstone> unmap it
13:43 <@brimstone> Xmodmap is your friend
13:43 <@polerin> brimstone: the enter key is large, so there's not much to remap too
13:43 < eryc> wth preliminary ship date, 4/21
13:44 < eryc> 3 weeks to build a damn netbook!
13:44 <@polerin> eryc: yeah no shit
13:44 <@polerin> we just got ours today, ordered it on the 6th
13:44 <@brimstone> eryc: they have to build a normal laptop, then use the shrink ray to make it smaller
13:44 < eryc> ah ok then
13:44 < eryc> that explains it
13:48 <@M0j0-j0j0> polerin: I went to bestbuy and walked out with mine in about 5 minutes
13:48 < eryc> M0j0-j0j0: oya what u get
13:49 < eryc> the Promise Pink one?
13:49 <@M0j0-j0j0> eee pc 1G 4G SSD
13:49 <@M0j0-j0j0> with xandros
13:49 < eryc> lame
13:49 <@M0j0-j0j0> which was installed over before I got to the car
13:49 <@polerin> hehe
13:50 <@brimstone> nerd
13:50 <@M0j0-j0j0> eryc: it's awesome.. I don't need a high-end gaming box to sit in meetings with
13:50 <@M0j0-j0j0> brimstone: birds of a feather
13:50 <@polerin> well, other than the stupid desktop mode dell installed (and I switched off of immediatly) I'm fairly happy with it
13:51 < eryc> excuse me i'm not talking about high-end gaming here
13:51 < eryc> obviously i need the extra capacity for porn
13:51 <@M0j0-j0j0> I don't think that downloading porn in the middle of a meeting would go over so well
13:51 <@brimstone> high-end porn
13:51 <@brimstone> M0j0-j0j0: offline copies, hellow
13:52 <@polerin> just mute it
13:52 <@polerin> hehe
13:52 <@M0j0-j0j0> someone did that on a flight I was on one time
13:52 <@M0j0-j0j0> well.. they used headphones
13:53 <@M0j0-j0j0> all the same.. if you have an aisle seat you should refrain from watching porn while people are trapped around you
13:53 <@M0j0-j0j0> dress slacks tent up really bad.
13:55 <@polerin> lol
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14:02 < ware> WHAT TEH FUCK
14:04 <@M0j0-j0j0> lolzwarez!
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14:08 <@M0j0-j0j0> waddup ninja jr.!?
14:21 < ware> sdodson > you
14:23 <@sdodson> inorite
14:23 <@sdodson> sdodson > all ya'll fools
14:33 <@oddball> So,someone just called me on the cell phone:
14:34 <@oddball> "I need help with connecting to the wireless here"
14:34 <@oddball> "and here is?"
14:34 <@oddball> "uh...."
14:35 <@M0j0-j0j0> corner of Rucker and Reaver
14:36 <@oddball> (I handle 6 locations, and many of the employees travel between multiple locations)
15:19 <@M0j0-j0j0> damn
15:19 <@M0j0-j0j0> my cloud computing project just got canned
15:19 <@M0j0-j0j0> I'm going to smoke.
15:20 <@Corydon76-dig> WTF is cloud computing, anyway?
15:20 <@brimstone> magic
15:20 <@brimstone> involves carebears and whatnot
15:30 <@oddball> Corydon76-dig: could computing = the servers are somebody else's problem
15:30 <@Drag0n`> cloud computing, what fails when you let out the magic smoke
15:30 <@oddball> heh
15:32 <@Drag0n`> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_computing
15:32 <@sdodson> cloud computing is what happens when it takes you < 5 minutes to provision a new server
15:32 < eryc> http://blogs.nzherald.co.nz/blog/mac-planet/2009/4/1/microsoft-buys-apple/
15:32 <@sdodson> Which usually only happens when you're doing virtualization.
15:32 <@Drag0n`> ya never tell em how long it actualy takes....what kind of engineer are ya?
15:33 < eryc> you forgot the part with carebears
15:41 <@brimstone> i can provision a debian box in a little more then 5 minutes
15:44 <@Drag0n`> tru virtualisation? or chroot virtualisation like sun boxes do?
15:46 <@Drag0n`> also refered to as paravirtulisation
15:50 <@M0j0-j0j0> I was going to do true, but I guess I don't have to worry about it now
15:52 <@M0j0-j0j0> and since I actually had to suck up the "your idea has no use or utility in this company" blow.... I think I'm going home to sleep and maybe watch some tv
15:52 <@M0j0-j0j0> peace folks
15:53 <@Drag0n`> sounds like you stepped on someones perverbial toes and they pulled some strings
15:53 <@Drag0n`> your idea is better than someone elses but they happen to be a relative of a VP, guess who gets the green light?
15:53 <@M0j0-j0j0> Drag0n`: The IT manager wanted me to do it
15:54 <@M0j0-j0j0> it solves a problem that the development manager hasn't been able to fix in 3 years
15:54 <@Drag0n`> didnt say it was his, normaly that type of reaction is due to someone, somewhere with hurt pride or ego
15:54 <@Drag0n`> probably made the dev manager look bad
15:55 <@M0j0-j0j0> Drag0n`: I think that someone doesn't know what it is and thinks I'm trying to create a business reason to write SkyNet
15:55 <@rhia> or someone skimmed one article that said one bad thing about it and now they're an expert who says it won't work
15:55 <@tzanger> Drag0n`: chroot virtualization isn't paravirt.
15:55 <@Drag0n`> that could be as well, i fear the unknown so therefore it is bad
15:56 <@Drag0n`> chroot was a bad term, sun creates virtual environments but are dependant on the host os file versions
15:56 <@Drag0n`> whereas VMware creates whole isolated machines
15:57 <@Drag0n`> and chroot are just issolated proccesses
15:57 <@M0j0-j0j0> so.. I guess I'll spend my 8 hours of "unrestricted" development time this month working on something that will save the company a couple of grand a year instead of something that will keep them in business for a decade
15:58 <@M0j0-j0j0> I'm sure that my heart will be into it which will make the code I write robust and rich
15:58 <@M0j0-j0j0> actually.....
15:59 <@M0j0-j0j0> hmm
15:59 <@tzanger> Drag0n`: ahh, yeah vbox is more like "virtual process trees" but that's not quite right either
15:59 <@tzanger> since networking is different
15:59 <@M0j0-j0j0> so since I can't work on the project I want to work on..maybe I should sign up for one of his projects so that I can fail horrifically at it
16:00 <@tzanger> sign up to his, and turn it into a cloud computing project
16:00 <@M0j0-j0j0> tee hee
16:00 <@M0j0-j0j0> tzanger: that's the best idea yet
16:01 <@tzanger> you need to subvert the echelon and moisturize the synergy
16:01 <@brimstone> unrestricted development?
16:01 <@brimstone> i'm glad i don't have to count my minutes at work
16:02 <@M0j0-j0j0> brimstone: so long as I can document 30 hours out of my week.. I can do whatever I want in the other time
16:02 <@NotLarry> Dagmar: you there?
16:03 <@M0j0-j0j0> anyway.. since I'm feeling bummed out about all of it and I'm exhausted from my engine blowing up I'm going home
16:03 <@M0j0-j0j0> peace
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16:09 <@brimstone> herm, my mouse cursor in X is split and looks like it needs to be reinitalized or something, anyone seen this before and know what to do about it?
16:26 <@Corydon76-dig> brimstone: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace
16:26 <@brimstone> no zap!
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16:28 <@Catonic_lp> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Bh-cAaSgJA <- Benny Benassi .. NSFW?
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16:46 <@polerin>  http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/03/31/cult.child.death/index.html
16:47 <@Catonic_lp> that is....
16:47 <@Catonic_lp> FUCKING AWESOME
16:48 <@rhia> "Ramkissoon, a member of a group called One Mind Ministries, believes Javon Thompson, her year-old son, will rise again, and as part of her plea agreement, authorities agreed to the clause."
16:48 <@rhia> authorities agreed to the clause   - wtF?
16:49 <@Catonic_lp> they have nothing to lose.
16:50 <@Drag0n`> yeah, like, we will let you go free when the sun goes out, if that happens tommorow, then your free tommorow
16:50 <@Catonic_lp> "You want a resurrection clause? Fuck yeah, no problem there! (Hey Mike, have we had a single case of "Zombies" since that one guy quit working on computers here?)
16:50 <@Catonic_lp> JESUS WAS A ZOMBIE
16:50 <@Catonic_lp> fuck, im turning into buu
16:51 <@Drag0n`> and honestly, if he comes back from the dead, thir case gets flimsy, "she killed him" "But i got better!"
16:51 <@Catonic_lp> are you kidding?
16:51 <@Catonic_lp> "SHIT! IT'S THE WALKING DEAD! KILL IT!!!!!!!!!!!!"
16:51 <@Catonic_lp> double jeopardy doesn't apply... it's already dead..
16:52 <@brimstone> wow, who pulled your string?
16:52  * eryc lets go of the string
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16:53 <@Catonic_lp> brimstone: go choke on a cock
16:59 <@polerin> rhia: yeah.. talk about bizzare
17:00 <@rhia> the legal system has adopted 'just smile and nod at the crazy person"
17:00 <@brimstone> passive aggressive ftw!
17:21 < aestetix> brimstone: get anywhere with those security things?
17:22 <@brimstone> i did the first 2 and went on with my day
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17:30 <@Catonic_lp> anyone got a couch I could crash on after the meeting at JJs?
17:44 <@Corydon76-dig> Catonic_lp: I'll give you an answer tomorrow
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17:54 <@Catonic_lp> Corydon76-dig: do you have cats?
17:54 <@Corydon76-dig> negative
17:55 <@Corydon76-dig> There's a dog on the back deck, though
17:55 <@Catonic_lp> I'm good with dogs. Allergic to cats.
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18:14 <@polerin> meow.
18:14 <@polerin> :P
18:15 < juice> my shell box lost it's 2 year plus uptime :(
18:15 < juice> 04/01/2009 - 745 days - Cabinet Relocation
18:17 < eryc> uptime is a measure of laziness
18:17 <@Evilpig> haha.  psychostick did a version of the log song
18:17 < eryc> ?
18:19 <@polerin> btw anyone have good link on conficker removal?  couple of people are asking about it
18:19 < juice> eryc, yeah I guess in the downtime they didn't even do a kernel update
18:19 < juice> heh
18:19 < eryc> heh
18:19 < eryc> polerin: yes
18:19 < eryc> http://iv.cs.uni-bonn.de/wg/cs/applications/containing-conficker/
18:20 < eryc> http://mtc.sri.com/Conficker/
18:20 < eryc> http://www.caida.org/research/security/ms08-067/conficker.xml
18:20 < eryc> http://asert.arbornetworks.com/2009/01/two-weeks-of-conflicker-data/
18:20 < eryc> http://mtc.sri.com/Conficker/addendumC/index.html
18:20 < eryc> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS08-067.mspx
18:21 < eryc> not that i'm following it or anything..
18:21 <@brimstone> eryc: got the source anywhere?
18:26 <@brimstone> or a binary?
18:26 < eryc> i don't. i could probably get it if i wanted..
18:27 < eryc> i was going to get it but realized im not smart enough to disassemble it.
18:27 < eryc> its all encrypted with md-6.
18:27 <@brimstone> just execute it and pull it out of memory
18:28 < eryc> thats a level of windows intimacy i dont really want
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18:29 < eryc> what would you use to dump a core?
18:29 <@brimstone> can of beans?
18:30 < eryc> exlax?
18:37 <@Corydon76-dig> eryc: Make sure that you run 'ulimit -c unlimited' before running it, then hit it with a signal 11.
18:37 < eryc> win32
18:38 <@Corydon76-dig> Ah, sucks
18:38 < eryc> talking about Conficker
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18:40 <@Corydon76-dig> eryc: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/286350/
18:59 < eryc> cool
19:02 < eryc> something like IDA Pro would be better
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19:25 <@sdodson> hi
19:29 <@brimstone> werd up sdodson
19:30 <@sdodson> brimstone: hoes up bitches down!
19:31 <@sdodson> I need some terrabytes
19:37 <@brimstone> kk
19:39 <@sdodson> brimstone: what's new with you?
19:41 <@brimstone> still pi over lambda
19:41 <@brimstone> http://instantrimshot.com
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19:56 <@sdodson> brimstone: i don't get that
19:57 <@sdodson> eryc: inorite uptime is teh lamez
20:04 < astralsin> if anyone ever gets the urge to try Dogfish Head Black and Blue beer... skip it
20:04 < astralsin> unless you're a chick, in which case, you'd probably love the shit
20:04 < aestetix> encrypted with md6?
20:04 < aestetix> do you mean packed?
20:05 <@polerin> hey, is anyone in nashville interested in getting involved in helping to push through healthcare reform?
20:07 < astralsin> i don't do politics
20:09 <@polerin> do you do bankrupcy? :P
20:10 < astralsin> nah, not really my style
20:11 < astralsin> plain and simple, i've got too much shit going on in my life to a: learn about politics enough to argue its finer points and b: give a shit
20:12 < astralsin> i'll let those who have the desire to do so do that, they'll do a better job with it anyway
20:12 < astralsin> besides, i'm convinced that we're all fucked anyhow
20:12  * dasunt dies.
20:12 < astralsin> the government has become too large to listen to its people
20:13 < astralsin> and too selfish to care about their needs
20:14 <@polerin> astralsin: in some ways, but you can still push things.
20:14 <@polerin> anyway
20:15 < aestetix> astralsin: except that by taking the time to learn about political theory you can apply the ideas to other parts of your life
20:16 < astralsin> no thanks
20:17 < astralsin> i pretty much get the theory behind how it should work, i just don't care to catch up on the details of any particular movement
20:19 < astralsin> especially since the government and anyone in power pretty much disagrees with all my personal views
20:19 < aestetix> um.
20:19 < aestetix> what are your views?
20:19 < astralsin> i think everyone should carry a gun and be able to smoke pot whenever they want
20:24 <@Catonic> dasunt: fuck you
20:25 <@dasunt> i EMAILED YOU!
20:25 <@Catonic> I'm fucking with you :-p
20:25 <@dasunt> SERIOUSLY.
20:25 <@Catonic> I got it.
20:25 <@dasunt> Oh.
20:25 <@dasunt> Good.
20:26 <@dasunt> Cause my ISP is being dumbassery.
20:26 <@Catonic> I'm slightly exhausted. I just got in from doing 30 minutes of cardio on the recumbent at the gym, and started the day with 30 minutes of cardio on the elliptical
20:27 <@dasunt> Ah, okay.
20:27 <@dasunt> I was going to ride today but it was raining when I got home.
20:27 <@Catonic> I feel like I've been lovingly massaged with a lead pipe.
20:30 <@dasunt> Ah.
20:31 < sung_> tweet tweet
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20:46 < astralsin> this new show with ozzy in it is stupid
20:54 <@NotLarry> Dolemite: you on?
21:10 <@rhia> astralsin: it's ozzy, not alice cooper, what'd you expect?
21:11 <@NotLarry> astralsin: Like Ozzy would say "mamamemamalemd memsmew amwemmemme."
21:16 <@sdodson> rhia: Alice Cooper is smart?
21:17 <@sdodson> astralsin: ya, it's too late, we're pooched
21:20 <@rhia> sdodson: it's ozzy, carrot top is smart in comparison
21:21 <@sdodson> rhia: why you gotta be all mean and shit?
21:35 <@Catonic> rhia: a little more copophragia
21:43 <@sdodson> oh ya, everyone launched their nehalem servers today
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21:54 <@Catonic> huh
22:08 <@sdodson> https://launchpad.net/auto-ndiswrapper
22:14 <@dasunt> Catonic: Figured to go touring yet?
22:14  * dasunt like Cooper's late night show, btw.
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22:37 <@dasunt> "Feel free to say no to this, but would you shave my coin purse?"  LOL.
22:44 < eryc> conficker in 16
22:46 <@dasunt> 15.
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22:46 <@dasunt> brimstone: fucker, I was going to kick myself.
22:47 <@brimstone> too late
22:47 <@dasunt> :(
22:47 < [1NF0]> you can ban yourself instead
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