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03:07 <@m0j0-j0j0> night
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07:07 <@jb7od> you guys. i don't think hi speed rail will benefit anyone.
07:07 <@jb7od> not in any economy-saving capacity
07:07 <@jb7od> take fuckin sim city for example
07:08 <@jb7od> laying track doesn't fix the houses
07:08 <@jb7od> it just sets you back major and the already-bad goes straight to worse.
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07:16 <@jb7od> i am not a member of any party. i hate the 2 party system. i think it channels the feeble minded into allegorical thinking, promoting conflict, and turns the political spectrum into a shell game
07:16 <@jb7od> shit getting tough in afganistan? NEW America! Under NEW Management!
07:17 <@jb7od> i thought we were 3 tril in hole after reagan
07:17 <@jb7od> or is that a hallucination?
07:18 <@jb7od> yeah... i got ur pundit right here.
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08:01 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
08:01 <@Dolemite> jb7od : I'm a registered member of the Toga Party
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08:29 < jeebusroxors> im a zit...
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08:54 <@Shadow404> heh, stupid windows update tries to make IE default again
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09:26 < ware> http://podcampnashville.com
09:26 < ware> first 300 to register get a free tee
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09:50 < jeebusroxors> i think all self proclaimed "bloggers" should be shot on site
09:50 < jeebusroxors> or is it sight?
09:50 <@Dolemite> ware will do anything for a free t-shirt
09:50 <@Corydon76-dig> It's sight
09:51 <@Dolemite> I hear he even slept with Corydon76 just to get one of his shirts
09:51 <@Corydon76-dig> Nah, he stole that one
09:52 < ware> faggots
09:53 <@Corydon76-dig> ware: wtf is wrong with you?  I deny sleeping with you, and you have a problem with that?
09:53 < ware> where did i get your shirt?
09:53 < ware> in your fantasy land
09:54 < ware> i dont want to be in your thoughts, period
09:54 <@Corydon76-dig> It was a JOKE, by Dolemite, not by me.
09:54 <@Dolemite> yeah, be0tch!
09:54 <@Corydon76-dig> Stop being so sensitive.
09:54 < ware> negative, i am a sensitive person
09:54 <@Dolemite> it's just lulz!
09:54 < ware> NOT LULZ.
09:55 <@Dolemite> LULZ!
09:55 <@Corydon76-dig> Is it any wonder that people like to pull your chain?
09:55  * ware runs off
09:56 < ware> oh! youtube 'yes dance'
09:56 < ware> you'd like it
09:56 < ware> LETS DO THE FORK IN THE GARBAGE DISPOSAL
09:57 <@Shadow404> for the lulz of course
10:05 <@nachoguy> mr0nin
10:05 <@nachoguy> I posted this last night, but I'm not sure if anyone saw it
10:05 <@nachoguy> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AB7IDw3PNI
10:10 < ware> anyone here on twitter?
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10:13 <@Shadow404> ware: yeah, but i have all notifications turned off
10:13 <@Shadow404> whats it to you
10:17 < ware> just curious
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11:29 <@Shadow404> www.shadow404.com/154
11:29 <@Shadow404> its missing my rought pencil drawing, but i gotta scan that in when i get home
11:31 <@Catonic> if fluff had a sibling...
11:31 <@Catonic> it could be named "poof"
11:31 <@Shadow404> she has a sibling
11:31 <@Shadow404> not blood sibling
11:31 <@Shadow404> but misty
11:32 <@Catonic> we should have named the beagle "stop". That dog would have been less confused.
11:33 <@Catonic> "c'mere stop!"
11:33 <@aestetix> So, word to the wise.
11:33 <@aestetix> Never interview with Apple.
11:33 <@Shadow404> fluff on the left, misty on the right: http://www.shadow404.com/143.sizes@DSC_1999.JPG?size1=L
11:33 <@Catonic> aestetix: did you get steved?
11:33 <@aestetix> Steved?
11:33 <@Shadow404> what happen?
11:34 <@aestetix> Catonic: I got asked three hours of really hard technical questions by five guys who obviously never leave their computers.
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11:36 <@aestetix> The big red flag was that none of them had a good answer for "what do you do outside of what?"
11:36 <@aestetix> When I asked them that.
11:37 <@brimstone> you're not suppose to queston the cult of apple
11:37 <@Catonic> aestetix: http://folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=Are_You_Gonna_Do_It.txt&topic=Quitting&sortOrder=Sort%20by%20Date&detail=medium
11:37 <@aestetix> The best part was that I had a blackberry there.
11:39 <@aestetix> Catonic: I can see that.
11:39 <@aestetix> It really is a fucking cult.
11:40 <@Catonic> omg
11:40 <@Catonic> wow...
11:40 <@Catonic> like google.
11:41 <@aestetix> Oh man.
11:41 <@aestetix> They actually asked me one of those questions.
11:41 <@aestetix> You know, the proverbial questions.
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11:41 <@aestetix> I won't say which one it was, but it was pretty close to "How many gas stations are there in the US"
11:42 <@aestetix> My response: "what the hell, is this a microsoft interview or something?"
11:48 <@sdodson> "Wow, I thought 'sudo su -' was the normal way to use sudo!"
11:48 <@Catonic> ugh
11:49 <@sdodson> aestetix: what do you do outside of what?
11:49 <@Catonic> and it amazes me how many people implement sudo and either do that first, or something else and immediately negate the effect of logging
11:50 <@sdodson> I almost immediately responded, "Yes, and that's why you'll have neither root nor sudo. You'll give me packages and I'll deploy and manage the system"
11:50 <@brimstone> sudo -s 4 life
11:50 <@Catonic> porch monkey 4 lyfe
11:51 <@brimstone> now now, if you bring monkey == black people into this, you'll get all kinds of people in a knot
11:51 <@Catonic> I'm takin' it back.
11:55 <@Shadow404> well you know Catonic is half black
11:55 <@Shadow404> i met his black momma
11:55 <@Shadow404> big bumper on that gal
11:56 <@Catonic> Shadow404: reminds me... you owe me about... $50.
11:57 <@Catonic> I'll settle for $40 if you paypal it to me right now.
11:57 <@Catonic> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0424345/quotes
11:57 <@Shadow404> thats ok, i wish to invoke my money back guarantee, and seeing as how i havent paid you yet, we should be even
11:58 <@Catonic> there is no money back guarantee, jackass.
11:58 <@Catonic> I'll send a midget over there to gnaw on your kneecaps if you don't pay me.
12:13 <@Catonic> someone just pointed out that there's a phone number in Huntsville that needs to be claimed
12:13 <@Catonic> 256-512-1024
12:14 <@Catonic> number is disconnected
12:16 <+eryc> nice
12:20 <@aestetix> Ok. Programmers... a few questions
12:20 <@aestetix> What's an ROI?
12:20 <@aestetix> er, what's ROI
12:21 <@aestetix> Actually nevermind I misread the article.
12:21 <@aestetix> http://zompist.wordpress.com/2009/02/24/what-managers-would-ask-managers/
12:21 <@Catonic> return on investment
12:21 <@Catonic> how much we're getting back for the money we're putting in
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12:23 <+eryc> its all about the ROE
12:23 <+eryc> just ask the godfather
12:24 <@aestetix> Hmm.
12:24 <@aestetix> What do you think would be the reaction if Facebook started charging usersa $1 a month?
12:24 <+eryc> they dont need to so i dont see the point in thinking about it
12:25 <+eryc> they make enough money selling your soul for advertising
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12:27 <@aestetix> Apparently the Circle K gas station has a math test they make applicants take.
12:31 <@rhia> aestetix: how to give correct change if the register readout goes dark?
12:33 <@Catonic> aestetix: I'd delete my account and move on.
12:36 <@aestetix> rhia: the fact that they have to screen people for math skills is sad.
12:37 <@aestetix> "1+1=__" oh man, come on, it's been like ten years since I dropped out of high school...
12:41 <@I-MOD> it's 3, right? or is it 11? i can never keep my binary and decimal separate
12:41 <@I-MOD> :D
12:42 <@I-MOD> but seriously, my lower math skills suck now that i've taken calculus courses
12:45 <@Dagmar> pThis is why man invented the disposable pocket calculator
12:46 <@Dagmar> ...and the TI-35x whose batteries apparently never die.
12:46 <@Dagmar> I just found the one I used in High School, about 15 years ago.
12:46 <@Dagmar> It still seems to work fine.
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12:50 <@I-MOD> Dagmar, i have a TI89+ and it's batteries have been fine going on 4 years now
12:50 <@I-MOD> it's crazy
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13:20 <@Catonic> Dagmar: I had a TI-36X and lost it..
13:20 <@Catonic> I've had about four of them... and they quit carrying them...
13:20 <@Catonic> I switched to a casio ...
13:20 <@Catonic> fx-115ES
13:21 <@Catonic> between it and the TI-86 grapher I have, it will take you through a BS.
13:21 <@sdodson> brimstone: yo
13:21 <@Catonic> the part that kills me is that the fx-115ES is solar powered.
13:22 <@sdodson> brimstone: how do you get iscsiadm to bring up multiple connections to the same target if you have multiple nics?
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13:27 <@Shadow404> so will a ti-92 and you can get some kickass emulators and roms
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13:27 <@Corydon76-dig> critch: ping
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13:28 <@Catonic> ti-92 is a different animal
13:28 <@Dagmar> It takes you 15 years to get a BS?
13:28 <@critch> Corydon76-dig: pong
13:29 <@Catonic> you can run a lot on a 68000
13:29 <@Catonic> Dagmar: eh..
13:29 <@Corydon76-dig> critch: still got your oxyacetylene torch?
13:29 <@critch> yep
13:29 <@Corydon76-dig> We have a tank we'd like to see if you could cut in half at the HC
13:29 <@Catonic> Dagmar: college is boring toolage.
13:30 <@Corydon76-dig> Metal is about an inch thick
13:30 <@Catonic> you keep going, feeling like you're wasting time, then after five years, they give you a degree.
13:30 <@critch> an inch? what was in it?
13:30 <@Corydon76-dig> Fire suppressant
13:30 <@Catonic> FM-200
13:31 <@critch> hmm, large? and what size?
13:31 <@Corydon76-dig> About 7 ft tall, a foot diameter
13:31 <@critch> sorry, what kind of metal?
13:31 <@Corydon76-dig> mixed metal
13:31 <@critch> For a 1 foot dia, Might be able to just use the chop saw.
13:32 <@critch> Chop saw is a lot less dangerous to transport
13:32 <@critch> Not to mention unless you can vent the container, the acet. torch can be very dangerous. Unburnt gas being caught in the container until enough oxyegen can mix to ignite.
13:33 <@Corydon76-dig> I'm checking...
13:34 <@critch> The chop saw will do pretty much anything, only trouble is a 6" or so max cut depth. Would have to rotate possibly to finish the cuts.
13:35 <@critch> what do you plan on doing with the tank afterwords?
13:35  * critch wishes he didn't burn up the plasma torch.
13:36 <@Dagmar> Pulling pieces of it out of everything nearby
13:36 <@Catonic> maybe we need a hacker challenge at PN..
13:36 <@Catonic> "here's a hackshop. Build a working jet engine in 24 hours. Here's a car turbo."
13:37 <@critch> ahh easy
13:38 <@critch> well I guess that depends on the fuel type
13:38 <@Corydon76-dig> critch: join #hackerconsortium
13:39 <@Dagmar> It would be cooler if they only gave chewing gum wrappers, a few paperclips, and a nailfile
13:51 <@nachoguy> sdodson, multipath ?
13:56 <@Dolemite> MULTIPASS!
14:29 <@brimstone> sdodson: multipath
14:29 <@brimstone> it *just works*
14:29 <@brimstone> you do need a recent version of iscsiadm though
14:40 <@nachoguy> yeah, iirc, etch == bad, Lenny == good.  Not sure where it lands in RPM land
14:40 <@brimstone> yeah, hardy's ok
14:40 <@brimstone> lenny wasn't "Stable" yet when i was messing with stuff, but it did work
14:42 <@NotLarry> Evilpig: you here?
14:43 <@Dolemite> he's probably out looking for more homeless people for his collection
14:44 <@NotLarry> now stop that.  No one in his home is "homeless."
14:46 <@Dolemite> anymore
14:47 <@Evilpig> NotLarry: yes.  what's up?
14:48 <@Dolemite> Evilpig : Why weren't you on WoW last night?  We could have used your skills in farming mucho frostweave.
14:59 <@M0j0-j0j0> Catonic: cheapest way to generate a continuous 12V 3.5A charge using only renewable sources.  bill of sale for materials required to count (keep people from going and stealing peoples stuff)
15:02 <@M0j0-j0j0> Catonic: cheapest bluetooth tracking power management system (turns off the lamp with you move more than 30 feet away)
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15:04 <@M0j0-j0j0> Catonic: fastest diamagnetic levitation transport system
15:04 <@brimstone> herm, i dunno about right *at* the con, but maybe something to be done to build up to it?
15:06 < ware> http://www.imagedash.com/uploads/klz1235586738g.PNG
15:06 <@M0j0-j0j0> brimstone: yeah, but I think a month before the con teams would need to register and enter the contest... Entry closes 30 days before con and results would be measured at the con
15:06 <@Catonic> M0j0-j0j0: did I say I was organizing that event?
15:07 <@brimstone> entry closes day of the con, results to be judged friday night, team has to give a presentation about how they did it, why they used what they used etc, to get their prize etc
15:07 <@Catonic> I can't be trusted with chemicals, let alone power tools.
15:07 <@brimstone> really, providing the bill of sale and the presentation of how to build your own will be the greatest aspect of it
15:07 <@brimstone> then people could go build their own, tweak it etc
15:09 <@M0j0-j0j0> Catonic: when I started working at this company I had to sit in an orientation where they drove home the message "if you come in contact with a developer immediately rush to the shower and pull the chain until your manager comes and clears you to leave"
15:10 <@M0j0-j0j0> Catonic: then we went around the table and had to say what out title was
15:10 <@Catonic> M0j0-j0j0: so contact with the developers is a bad thing?
15:10 <@brimstone> causes warts
15:10 <@M0j0-j0j0> which led to a long discussion about how it was okay to come in contact with me, but not with chemical developers... which makes me wonder about the people who have chemical developer as a title
15:12 <@sdodson> brimstone: how recent?
15:12 <@brimstone> sdodson: 2.0.730 was too old, 2.0.870 was new enough
15:13 <@sdodson> We have 868
15:13 <@sdodson> brimstone: so do you have to target ips?
15:13 <@brimstone> 2.0.865 works as well
15:13 <@brimstone> you target the san's virtual ip
15:13 <@brimstone> then the san handles it with one of it's real ips
15:13 <@sdodson> Ok, what we're having problems with now is getting multiple ifaces on the initiators.
15:14 <@sdodson> crap, i gotta head into the office
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15:32 < ware> whats the difference on sd cards "class"
15:32 < ware> speed?
15:33 < ware>     * Class 2: 2 MB/s - 13x
15:33 < ware>     * Class 4: 4 MB/s - 26x
15:33 < ware>     * Class 6: 6 MB/s - 40x
15:33 <@Catonic> ware: whether or not it will work in your presence.
15:33 < ware> google ftw, nvm
15:33 < ware> i have little class or tact
15:33 < ware> but i do have ethics
15:36 <@M0j0-j0j0> I have ethics too!  I keep them in a jar in my drawer
15:37 <@M0j0-j0j0> right.... wait.. it was here the other day...
15:38 <@brimstone> anyone know the key combination for "meta2-23" ?
15:38 <@M0j0-j0j0> that's the one with the picture of the large soda on it
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16:11 <@Catonic> what's the cost of admission to outerzone?
16:11 <@Catonic> is it $100 like those big showy name "hacker cons"?
16:11 <@Catonic> Will I be able to buy t-shirts, coffee-cups, and whistles?
16:12 <@someninjamaster> Catonic: its donation based
16:13 <@Catonic> someninjamaster: what was your first OZ?
16:13 < GodFix[HC]> but the more Jack you can chug, the less donation you have to make
16:14 <@someninjamaster> this years will be my first
16:14 <@Catonic> GodFix[HC]: is this the reason why you look like mini-remo?
16:14 < GodFix[HC]> I think I've met him
16:14 < GodFix[HC]> I don't do jack
16:14 < GodFix[HC]> just Patron
16:14 <@someninjamaster> GodFix[HC]: you going to the palm tomorrow
16:15 < GodFix[HC]> send me the info so I can register
16:16 <@someninjamaster> whats your e-mail
16:17 <@someninjamaster> ok invite sent
16:19 < GodFix[HC]> ok, registered
16:20 < GodFix[HC]> ever been there? is the food good?
16:21 <@someninjamaster> dont know
16:21 <@someninjamaster> nope
16:21 < GodFix[HC]> oh well, it's free
16:21 <@someninjamaster> i just signed up because it was free food
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16:21 < GodFix[HC]> we can go to Deja Vu afterwards
16:22 < GodFix[HC]> I have 2 VIP Passes
16:22 <@TheLightcosine> okay, need some educated opinions here. I am re-doing a drive to hold media files, msotly large videos, should I format it in ext3 or XFS?
16:24 <@brimstone> ext3!
16:24 <+poiupoiu> ext4!
16:24 <@brimstone> i did mine for xfs
16:24 <+poiupoiu> yes, i'm just being difficult...
16:24 <@brimstone> oh, i did say ext3 not ext4 didn't i?
16:24 <@TheLightcosine> brimstone: so you saying xfs didn't work out well?
16:25 <@nachoguy> stab^H^H^H^Hreiserfs
16:25 <@brimstone> no, xfs works fine
16:25 <@brimstone> i just kinda wished i setup lvm on the drive first
16:26 <@TheLightcosine> hrm, i'll probably jsut do ext3 cus i'm a sissy and i've neevr sued anything else
16:26 <@TheLightcosine> this drive is an old holdover, and i've been elaving it in NTFS all this time, finally got sick of it thoguh heh
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16:36 <@TheLightcosine> hrm damn, i jsut filled my 500gb external usb drive
16:37 <@TheLightcosine> man when i ahve money to spare again i am building me a freaking NAS
16:44 <@nachoguy> just build a LVM system and buy a new 16 Gb usb drive every week
16:44 <@nachoguy> do you really download more than 16 Gb a week?
16:45 <@TheLightcosine> how do you want me to answer that..
16:45 <@TheLightcosine> =P
16:46 <@TheLightcosine> seriously though, some weeks, yes i do
16:46 <@TheLightcosine> plus usb is still slow as shit until 3 releases
16:48 <@nachoguy> but a LVM+RAID of USB thumbdrives?  it'd be fantastic
16:48 <@TheLightcosine> i currently have 170GB queued up in U-torrent right now
16:48 <@TheLightcosine> it'd be retarded
16:48 <@TheLightcosine> i'd be hot-swapping constantly
16:49  * poiupoiu is alittle curious as to WHAT you're downloading every week...
16:50 <+poiupoiu> 16+ GB a week is just a little :o IMHO
16:50 <@TheLightcosine> just a little what?
16:50 <@brimstone> a little :o
16:51 <+poiupoiu> the best way to describe it is in emoticon
16:51 <@TheLightcosine> a little kirby?
16:51 <@TheLightcosine> a little gignerbread man?
16:51 <+poiupoiu> sure
16:51 <@brimstone> no, that'd be a little (>^_^)>
16:51 <@TheLightcosine> heh
16:51 <@TheLightcosine> brimstone:  except when he's sucking up an enemy
16:53 <+poiupoiu> so anyways, what are you downloading that's 16GB worth every week?
16:53 <@brimstone> poiupoiu: only ask if you really want to know
16:54 <@TheLightcosine> as i said, some weeks
16:54 <@TheLightcosine> other weeks lay dormant
16:54 <+poiupoiu> that's why i'm very scared to ask brimstone
16:54 <@TheLightcosine> nah, the pr0n is only about 30gb worth ;)
16:55 <+poiupoiu> a part of me thinks it knows and doesn't want the rest of me to really know
16:55 <+poiupoiu> oh, that's so much better
16:55 <@nachoguy> I'll ask, what is it?
16:55 <+poiupoiu> :P
16:55 <@TheLightcosine> well currently I have queued up  9 seasons of the x-files the first 6 seasons of 24, however many seasons there are of scrubs
16:55 <@TheLightcosine> 5 seasons of futuram
16:55 <@TheLightcosine> futurama even'
16:56 <+poiupoiu> is futuram kind of like the bolly-wood version of futurama?
16:57 <@TheLightcosine> says that guy with a meaningless string of charachters for a nick =P
16:57 <+poiupoiu> you're point?
16:57 <+poiupoiu> ugh
16:57 <+poiupoiu> your*
16:57 <@TheLightcosine> hah
16:58 <@TheLightcosine> of course it will turn out someone here is really an agent for the MPAA and i'll get some kind of cease and desist order now
17:00 <+poiupoiu> what else are you downloading? what's your address?
17:00 <+poiupoiu> heh
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17:01 <@TheLightcosine> my name is Gregory Wat and i lvie in knoxville ;)
17:05 < ware> dun hate
17:08 <@Catonic> poiupoiu: I'm giving up porn for 40 days
17:11 <@aestetix> Wow.
17:11 <@aestetix> Did you meet a girl?
17:12 < ware> gratz
17:13 <@TheLightcosine> ware: do you know who that is?
17:13 < ware> mercster
17:13 <@TheLightcosine> hahaha
17:13 <@TheLightcosine> do i wanna know why u know that?
17:14 < ware> *shrug* just do
17:15 <@TheLightcosine> there are times i wonder if i should worry about you ware =P
17:17 < ware> why is that?
17:17 < ware> theres no such thing as too much correct information
17:17 < ware> AND NEGRINS AINT TRYIN TO MESS
17:18 < ware> WHEN THEY KNOW WUTS UP
17:18 < ware> NAHMSAYN?
17:18 <@TheLightcosine> sadly i think i do
17:19 < ware> wanna know something crazy
17:19 < ware> im gettin a handgun soon hehe
17:19 <@TheLightcosine> that is scary.
17:19 <@TheLightcosine> some mkaes me edgy enoguh as it is
17:19 < ware> http://glockworld.com/images/error.jpg
17:20 < ware> yeah some is a little off
17:21 <@TheLightcosine> lol
17:21 < ware> get a glock g26
17:22 < ware> its too small tho
17:22 <@TheLightcosine> i wonder if i could get a license to carry in this state
17:22 <@TheLightcosine> do they check misdemeanor offenses in other states when you apply for one?
17:24 < ware> g19 methinks
17:24 < ware> doubt it
17:26 <@TheLightcosine> I dun have any felonies so i think i should be okay
17:26 < ware> anyone uses onforce.com before?
17:26 <@TheLightcosine> it'd be fun to actually go and fire a handgun legally at like targets or something
17:34 <@Shadow404> ware: i go the .40 cal glock myself
17:36 <@someninjamaster> dont get a glock
17:36 <@someninjamaster> get a sig
17:36 <@someninjamaster> or walther
17:37 <@TheLightcosine> lol a walther ppk?
17:37 <@someninjamaster> p99
17:38 <@someninjamaster> or pps
17:38 <@someninjamaster> ppk is a hair weak for my taste
17:38 <@TheLightcosine> perosnally i think i'd wanna get an H&K
17:38 <@someninjamaster> they are ok
17:38 <@someninjamaster> over priced for what they are
17:39 <@TheLightcosine> been obsessed with H&K weapons since i was a little kid tho heh
17:39 <@TheLightcosine> i am not really that knowledgeable about guns
17:40 <@TheLightcosine> the only times i've ever shot off a real gun, was a shitty little hot .22
17:40 <@someninjamaster> i have always been partial to 1911
17:40 <@TheLightcosine> colt
17:40 <@TheLightcosine> right?
17:41 <@someninjamaster> well colt and the other 100 manufactures
17:41 <@someninjamaster> ok off to the range
17:49 <@nachoguy> anyone order one of those new "wall-wart computers"?
17:50 <@TheLightcosine> you mean an e-machine? =P
17:50 <@brimstone> shevaplug?
17:51 <@oddball> ware: do you plan on carrying this pistol?
17:51 <@nachoguy> brimstone
17:52 <@nachoguy> yes
17:52 <@brimstone> nachoguy
17:52 <@nachoguy> sorry, I'm retarded
17:52 <@brimstone> awesome
17:52 < ware> oddball: yes
17:52 <@nachoguy> but yeah, that new thing from marvell looks neat
17:53 < ware> not on me 24/7 but have it in my vehicle etc
17:53 <@nachoguy> I kinda want to buy one, but I want to wait until I've read/heard about someone actually suing one
17:54 <@nachoguy> or using one
17:54 <@nachoguy> whichever
17:54 <@oddball> ware: Ok, I'll ask the same question that I asked Wizard when he bought a Glock for carry: Why do you hate your leg and feel the need to put a hole in it? :p
17:54 <@TheLightcosine> lol
17:55 <@oddball> light trigger + no safety = bad for carry.
17:55 <@TheLightcosine> wait
17:55 <@TheLightcosine> it's legal to keep a gun in the cab of your car down here?
17:55 < ware> theyve got the 3 safety deal with the trigger
17:55 <@Drag0n> depends on where "down here" is
17:56 <@TheLightcosine> TN
17:56 <@TheLightcosine> up in PA having any weapon in the cabin of your car is illegal and you can get in deep shit for it
17:56 <@oddball> ware: their definition of safety and my definition of safety are significantly different.
17:56 <@Drag0n> ahh, not sure, georgia has a 3 step rule, it must take 3 steps to get to a loaded gun
17:56 <@Shadow404> unless you have a carry permit
17:57 <@Shadow404> <<< carry permit
17:57 < ware> interesting law
17:57 <@Drag0n> opening the glove compartment and removing from the olster is 2 steps, unless the holster has a snap
17:57 <@oddball> just about any modern gun (in good condition) will not fire without you pulling the trigger.
17:57 <@TheLightcosine> even with a carry permit, weapons in in cab of car = nono
17:57 <@Drag0n> well, carry permit trups standard rule
17:57 <@Drag0n> trumps
17:57 <@TheLightcosine> not in PA
17:57 <@Drag0n> PA is bassackwards
17:57 <@TheLightcosine> expressly forbidden udner any circumstance
17:57 <@Shadow404> odd
17:57 <@Shadow404> i can ride around with my holster
17:58 <@Drag0n> PA is a leftist state
17:58 <@TheLightcosine> knew a guy who got hassled about ahving the saber for his military dress uniform in the car
17:58 <@TheLightcosine> leftist?
17:58 <@oddball> a safety should be a seperate device that is not canceled out by pulling the trigger.
17:58 <@TheLightcosine> have you BEEN to pa?
17:58 <@TheLightcosine> it doesn't get mcuh more redneck
17:58 <@Drag0n> liberal gun control high tax
17:58 <@Drag0n> yep, spent a year in york
17:58 <@TheLightcosine> oh jesus i'm sorry
17:58 <@Drag0n> yeah
17:59 <@TheLightcosine> york is the anus of the east cost imho
17:59 <@Drag0n> yeah
17:59 <@TheLightcosine> i gre up 30mintues nroth of there
17:59 <@Drag0n> the whole state owned liquor store blowes my mind
18:00 <@brimstone> herm
18:00 <@Shadow404> TheLightcosine: thats why aestetix live there
18:01 <@Drag0n> no competition, high taxes, and they wonder why ppl take trips across the state lines for liqour
18:02 <@Drag0n> as far as the redneck reference for PA, i thought that was due to TMI
18:03 <@TheLightcosine> Shadow404: not New York
18:03 <@TheLightcosine> York Pennsylvania
18:03 <@TheLightcosine> dude pa is redneck as hell
18:03 <@Drag0n> york, PA, near Harrisburg
18:04 <@TheLightcosine> hell just 10 mniutes outside York you got Dover
18:04 <@Drag0n> Ben Dover
18:04 <@TheLightcosine> and therew was perry county with it's one stop lgiht in the entire county
18:04 < ware> LOLOL
18:04 <@TheLightcosine> some of the nothern counties were evn worse
18:04 <@Drag0n> they DO have some really crative names tho, intercourse and orgasam PA
18:05 <@TheLightcosine> blueball
18:05 <@TheLightcosine> can't forget blueball
18:05 <@Drag0n> hehe, i try
18:05 <@TheLightcosine> I miss my 'family' back in PA, but i sure as fuck don't miss the place
18:06 <@TheLightcosine> even being in the Bible Belt doesn't even begin to mae this area as bad as 'back home'
18:06 <@Drag0n> I miss the PA ren faire and the Pennsic wars
18:06 <@Drag0n> not much else
18:07 <@TheLightcosine> yeah Ren faire was awesome
18:07 <@Drag0n> yeah. it was fun working there that year
18:07 <@TheLightcosine> i do and dodn't miss the six degrees of seperating i had going on in central pa
18:08 <@TheLightcosine> I went to a Eat n' Park in Swatarra once, i'd never even been to Swatarra and as soon as i sit down the Waitress tells me that she's "heard about you"
18:09 <@TheLightcosine> i was like "fuck how do they know me way out here?"
18:10 <@Drag0n> lol
18:11 <@Drag0n> redneck and insular are 2 differnt things
18:11 <@Drag0n> at least they dont have the souths problem of the worst thing you want to hear from a cop are "You aint from round here, is you?"
18:12 <@TheLightcosine> true
18:12 <@TheLightcosine> our cops just beat people
18:12 <@Drag0n> georgia had a joke for a while of "Welcome to georgia, now put your hand on the hood"
18:12 <@Drag0n> yeah
18:12 <@TheLightcosine> i mean never mind johnny gammage and all that
18:12 <@TheLightcosine> i knew cops in my home town that had beaten 'suspects' for little to no good reason
18:13 <@Drag0n> the south is a little more polite, they will take ya out and hang out with ya.....around a tree.....with a rope
18:13 <@TheLightcosine> hell, Feds had to come in to ivnestigate the lebanon police
18:13 <@Drag0n> yeah, i heard about lebanon...stayed well away from there
18:13 <@TheLightcosine> guy a i knew, was a security guard at the high school in lebanon, accidently made a drug bust, cops came around, told him to keep his nsoe out of other people's business or else
18:14 <@TheLightcosine> like soemthing out of a fucking b-movie
18:14 <@TheLightcosine> I always treated cops like i treated skins
18:14 <@Drag0n> thats everywhere, south georgia's largest pot filed for a while was found on the sherrif's property....that he knew nothing about....yeah, right
18:15 <@Drag0n> field
18:15 <@TheLightcosine> Try to not say shit to them, failing that pretend you're cool with em, always assume that even if you can beat the shit out of them, they'll come back with more and fucking kill you
18:15 <@TheLightcosine> lol
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18:16 <@TheLightcosine> like how all the "French Connection" heroin in NYC somehow ended up back out on the streets, rgiht?
18:16 <@TheLightcosine> on the flip side of that, did you ehar about the lady in england?
18:17 <@TheLightcosine> spy planes with IR cameras pegged her house for hydroponic weed growing
18:17 <@Drag0n> yep, this is why the war on drugs is nothing more than a protection racket so the feds can get rid of the competition
18:17 <@TheLightcosine> so a police tactical squa raided her house
18:17 <@TheLightcosine> turne dout she just ahd bad insulation
18:17 <@TheLightcosine> thye kciker is, she worked for the precinct that raided her house
18:18 <@TheLightcosine> that msut have been embarassing the next couple days at the office "uh yeah Sally, sorry about that whole..thinking you were a drug dealer thing...yeah...so you still coming to the picnic?"
18:23 < ware> ooohhh
18:23 < ware> quakelive.com is up
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19:31 <@Dagmar> http://www.wow-europe.com/wrath/ulduar.xml  purty
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20:24 <@Dagmar> Hah.  I have the same hip flask they use on BSG
20:50 < jeebusroxors> Alright then - anyone know anyone in the Columbia SC area that wants to attend a meeting?
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21:12 <@sasquatc4> anyone know what the difference is between an allowance and an exemption on a w4?
21:12 <@Dagmar> Yes.
21:12 <@Dagmar> It's the same as the difference between an allowance and an exemption everywhere else.
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21:13 <@sasquatc4> yea that helps
22:08 <@Dagmar> Well, there's not much else to be said without a specific example, dude.
22:08 <@Dagmar> The exemptions are things which make you _exempt_ from a tax.
22:12 <@Dagmar> Anyway, it's a W2.  You're not a pregnant mother.  Put '2' in the box like every other single male on the planet so they deduct the maximum and be done with it
22:13 <@sasquatc4> yea, sorry, just a little pissed cause i just realized somehow i have 3, and thats why ive ended up paying so much each year
22:13 <@Dagmar> Oh.  Get your HR people to fix it hten
22:13 <@Dagmar> I *could* put down 3, but I don't bother.
22:14 <@sasquatc4> yea, im talkin to them tomorrow
22:14 <@sdodson> wait thought it was 1?
22:16 <@sasquatc4> yea, its supposed to be 0/1/2
22:16 <@sasquatc4> some calculators have told me 2, some have said 1
22:17 <@Dagmar> The only thing it affects is how much they take out
22:17 <@Dagmar> If you put down 2, they take out more
22:17 <@Dagmar> or maybe it's less.  Actually I think I've got it backwards
22:17 <@Dagmar> I seem to remember the thing basically being a count of how many people you're responsible for
22:17 <@sdodson> I'm pretty sure the more exemptions you claim the more they take
22:17 <@sasquatc4> naw its the opposite
22:18 <@sdodson> ya sorry
22:18 <@sdodson> that's what i meant but not what i typed
22:18 <@Dagmar> As you can see, none of us get that worked up about it
22:18 <@sasquatc4> thats why i have to pay so much for the past 2 years is cause ive had it at 3, so they werent taking enough
22:18 <@Dagmar> ...and frankly, if your finances are so close that it's going to make a big difference to you, then you need to be worrying about not spending so much
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22:19 <@sasquatc4> naw, i can pay it, i just hate doing it cause its 500 + another 400 or so in car registration, plus another 1k for an emergency room visit, all at the same time
22:20 <@Dagmar> Ahhh
22:20 <@Dagmar> See, I much prefer it just come out even
22:20 <@sasquatc4> i always seem to have a rediculous amount of bills at tax time
22:20 <@Dagmar> I would rather prefer it if they didn't fucking bother me at all with it
22:20 <@sasquatc4> yea, so do i, id much prefer to just be even and not have to deal with it
22:20 <@Dagmar> I've just not filed a few years
22:20 <@Dagmar> I know for sure they won't say shit to you about that if they owe you money
22:20 <@sdodson> uhhh you like taking it in the ass?
22:21 <@Dagmar> In fact, after seven years they take that money and apply it to the national debt and then forget all about it
22:21 <@Dagmar> sdodson: When the return was less than fifty bucks, fuck it
22:21 <@sdodson> i've not had a return in five years, I always pay and i'm filing single zero
22:22 <@Dagmar> You need to go grab a blunt object and have a talk with your HR people then
22:22 <@Dagmar> Something's not right there
22:24 <@Dagmar> I suspect they don't ask too many questions at all if they owe you money actually.
22:24 <@Dagmar> A ways back I couldn't get the paperwork from a bankrupt employer and wound up just saying "fuck it" on a $312 return
22:25 <@Dagmar> The next year I owed about $200, didn't have it, said fuck it again since I'm still ahead
22:25 <@Dagmar> THe year after that they owed me about $258 and I had figured out how to file without actual W4's so I filed to get the first years' return
22:26 <@Dagmar> So should they ever audit me, they'd have probably done it then, and if they do anything it'll probably be to scold me or write me a check for fifty bucks
22:26 <@Dagmar> You can NOT be penalized for them owing you money, period.
22:26 <@sdodson> Right, but I'm not in favor of giving them donations.
22:28 <@Dagmar> I'm in favor of less paperwork to be filled out
22:32 <@sasquatc4> ahh, and so federal is filed, just to wait for them to withdraw, seems sorta odd that turbotax charges to file state, but yet my state requires that you mail in the payment, so what would even be the point of filing online if you gotta pay, just to pay turbotax 20$ for nothing?
22:32 <@Dagmar> That's how they make most of their money
22:32 <@Dagmar> They're not allowed to charge for federal
22:32 <@sasquatc4> yah
22:32 <@Dagmar> They can only charge finance fees for financing returns
22:33 <@Dagmar> You'll note they try really damn hard to get you to give them money
22:33 <@sasquatc4> yea
22:34 <@Dagmar> The second year that was going on H&R had to refund people money
22:34 <@Dagmar> ...because they erroneously charged people just to file
22:35 <@sasquatc4> ahh
22:36 <+eryc> i didnt file and they sent me a letter
22:36 <@CRasH180> You can look at the forms online and copy down the info to fill in on the actual paper forms
22:37 <@Dagmar> eryc: You owed money, didn't you
22:37 <@CRasH180> save yourself some money
22:37 <+eryc> and ive never owed
22:37 <@Dagmar> Weird
22:37 <+eryc> it took a while, but they sent it
22:37 <+eryc> i was boycotting at the time
22:37 <@sasquatc4> well most of them let you print out the forms for free, thats all i did, filed federal online, then printed state return to a pdf to print later
22:37 <+eryc> maybe i was on some list :)
22:37 <@sasquatc4> gotta remmember the w2 this year tho, last they got a little pissed since apparently you are supposed to include that here with the state file
22:39 <+eryc> if you were in california that 3 would have been the smart choice
22:39 <+eryc> better than an IOU
22:41 <+eryc> directv has this new feature called Mix
22:41 <+eryc> its awesome
22:41 <+eryc> they have News Mix and Sports Mix so far
22:41 <+eryc> the news has 8 channels that are all on the same screen and you arrow over to select which one has audio
22:43 <@sasquatc4> yah, we have the same thing, mosaic, have had it for ages
22:43 <+eryc> ah, well i have no idea when this started but i just found it tonight
22:43 <+eryc> they have another channel that shows you the top 5 shows in each region
22:44 <@sasquatc4> and if there is some big sports thing going on we usually change all the feeds over to different camera angles or events, like i knwo for the xgames if its a big event they got different cameras, and if a big one isnt on then they got 6 cameras from other events all going on at the same time
22:44 <@sasquatc4> same thing for big tennis matches
22:44 <+eryc> ya i think the sports mix does that
22:44 <+eryc> pretty cool.. makes up for lack if PnP in new tvs
22:46 <@sasquatc4> yah
22:47 <@sasquatc4> tho i dont know what were doing on the new box, the super duper all in one thingy, since we are dumping the shitty opentv and moving to an integrated browser type thing
22:56 <+eryc> speaking of browser type thing i didnt know the kindle had free web browsing
22:56 <+eryc> that is if the wikipedia article is accurate
22:57 <+eryc> if that is true it would be interesting to clone the sim card
23:00 <+eryc> http://xkcd.com/548/
23:12 <@CRasH180> lol
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23:29 <+eryc> http://prefetch.net/blog/index.php/2009/02/25/how-to-undelete-any-open-deleted-file-on-linux-solaris/
23:31 <@TheLightcosine> neat
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23:51 <@sasquatc4> theres also a thing like that to figure out what open file handles a process is using, i think its just ls -l on pid/fd/0
23:51 <@sasquatc4> or somethin like that
23:51 <@CRasH180> http://thisiswhyyourefat.com/
23:53 <@sasquatc4> awesome
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