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10:12 <@dasunt> I think I'll go to church.
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10:17 <+ware> dasunt: amen
10:17 <+ware> put a dollar in the plate for me and ill pay ya back
10:20 <@dasunt> Okay.
10:28 <+ware> thnx
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12:07 <@Catonic> anyone seen dc0de?
12:09 <@Catonic> no?
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14:51 < Mercster> hiiiiii
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17:07 < Mercster> coming quickly to terms with all expression laid
17:07 < Mercster> emotion revealed it the motion made
17:27 < Mercster> http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/timblair/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/hassan_chop/
17:27 < Mercster> muslim love
17:27 < Mercster> New York man Muzzammil Hassan founded pro-Islam station Bridges TV five years ago to combat the negative public image of Muslims. He is currently under arrest for beheading his wife.
17:33 <@CRasH180> He must have been fed up with the movement
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17:41 <@brimstone> is there a linux tool that will ping the network and figure out what ip belongs to a giving mac?
17:52 < Mercster> brimstone: check arp cache?
17:55 <@brimstone> not there :/
17:56 <@brimstone> i was able to guess at the ip, but i'm curious now if it's possible to go from arp to ip
17:56 < Mercster> http://programminglinuxblog.blogspot.com/2007/11/detecting-ip-address-from-mac-address.html
17:56 < Mercster> ip neigh flush all > /dev/null; # Clears out your arp cache
17:56 < Mercster> fping -c 1 -g -q 192.168.1.0/24 2> /dev/null;  # pings all of subnet
17:56 < Mercster> arp -n | grep "00:1B:4C:22:28:B1"   # Search cache for MAC address
17:57 <@brimstone> ah, ok
17:57 <@brimstone> i remember that trick now
17:57 <@brimstone> yeah, i wonder if there's a more elegent way
17:57 < Mercster> yea kinda klunky
17:58 < Mercster> i guess you could look at arp source to see what it does
17:58 <@brimstone> ok, so bump userland apps, is there a way to detect that in the ip spec?
17:58 <@brimstone> is that even possible?
17:59  * Mercster shrugs helplessly
18:01 < Mercster> brimstone: the url i linked has some python code that munges it
18:01 < Mercster> you could probably learn a lot by looking at it
18:02 <@brimstone> oh?
18:02  * brimstone looks again
18:02 <@brimstone> i stopped at the shell code
18:03 < Mercster> http://applications.worldispnetwork.com/ip_locator_v1.0.tar.gz
18:03 <@brimstone> ya
18:03 <@brimstone> it sounds like he's just using raw sockets with python to do the same thing
18:04 < Mercster> some other page suggests walking snmp
18:05 < Mercster> Not that there is a guarantee of a response, but couldn't you send the
18:05 < Mercster> broadcast ICMP Echo Request in a Unicast Ethernet frame straight to
18:05 < Mercster> the MAC in question? Or do such things get filtered these days?
18:06 <@brimstone> doesn't icmp work with ip addresses not mac addresses right?
18:07 < Mercster> as far as my experience goes, but you were talking about "ip spec"
18:07 <@brimstone> yeah, i was curious if there was some ip trick
18:07 <@brimstone> is there an ip that boxes reply with? like 0.0.0.0 or something?
18:07 < Mercster> dont have the faintest
18:08 <@brimstone> yeah, me neither :/
18:08 < Mercster> well 255.255.255.255 would be broadcast
18:08 <@brimstone> that woudn't hit all subnets would it?
18:08 <@brimstone> this is on the crazy ass work network
18:08 < Mercster> no, you'd have to do funky math
18:09 < Mercster> which is why i didnt go into networking
18:09 <@brimstone> even so, it would be easy enough to hit the broadcast of all the networks
18:09 <@brimstone> those are known ips
18:09 < Mercster> id do it the dirty way and be happy ;-)
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18:10 <@brimstone> yeah
18:10 <@brimstone> i think i'll wrap it into a little webapp so i can use it from any box as well
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18:27 <@sdodson> brimstone: arpping?
18:27 <+ware> its a util to ping by mac iirc
18:31 < Mercster> i still remember
18:31 < Mercster> the dreeeaaam there
18:31 < Mercster> i still remember...
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18:31 < Mercster> the TIIIIIIIIME you said...
18:31 < Mercster> goodbye...
18:31 <@brimstone> arping and i don't get along :/
18:32 < Mercster> rarp
18:32 < Mercster> excuse me, i had chili
18:32 < Mercster> out one end or another, i always say
18:38 < Mercster> love comes to you
18:38 < Mercster> and you follow...
18:38 < Mercster> lose one
18:38 < Mercster> all to the heart of the sunrise
18:38 < Mercster> sharp
18:38 < Mercster> distance
18:38 < Mercster> hoooooow caaaaan the wind with it's arms all around me....
18:43 < Mercster> ah, history channel 8pm EST, "Andrew Jackson"
18:43 < Mercster> a fine american
18:44 < Mercster> not like that godless effete libertine jefferson
18:48 <@TheLightCosine> Mercster: gie up your trolling is an epic fail tonight
18:48 < Mercster> im not trolling, you ass
18:50 < Mercster> i dont like jefferson
18:50 < Mercster> i admire jackson a great deal
18:50 < Mercster> sorry that offends your delicate sensibilities
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18:53 < Mercster> maybe if you knew anything about either man, you could counter; or at the very least, if you had any confidence in your ability to assimilate information, you'd ask me WHY
18:53 < Mercster> as long as "derr troll" is all you can muster, you probably deserve to be trolled
18:53 < Mercster> ill leave that to lesser men
19:02 <@TheLightCosine> right merc
19:02 <@TheLightCosine> whatever you say bud
19:02 < Mercster> yep :)
19:02 <@TheLightCosine> as i said, you trolling has failed
19:03 < Mercster> i aint gotta troll, foolass
19:03 < Mercster> im right
19:03 <@TheLightCosine> maybe if you ask really nice ware will give you some lessons =)
19:06 <@sdodson> Anyone heard anything about seagate 7200.12 drives? They're not trash like the flawed 7200.11 drives are they?
19:07 <@brimstone> but isn't there a firmware upgrade that fixes the 7200.11s?
19:07 <@sdodson> ya
19:07 <@sdodson> I like that the 7200.12 uses 500gb platters, that'd make a nice quiet 1TB drive
19:08 <@brimstone> go storage ninja go!
19:08 < Mercster> TheLightCosine: you're the troll. i called jefferson godless, effete, and a libertine.  i said andrew jackson was a fine american. unless you have something to say about that, you're the one picking fights.
19:08 < Mercster> TheLightCosine: what's more, im calling you an ignorant loudmouth
19:08 < Mercster> please, im BEGGING YOU, say something with content
19:08 < Mercster> besides 'derr troll'
19:08 < Mercster> otherwise you sir, are the troll
19:10 <@TheLightCosine> Mercster: i don't think you know what troll means Mercster
19:10 < Mercster> ive taken a plain position, grounded in what i know about american history. all you've done is shit out of your keyboard.
19:11 <@TheLightCosine> a troll is someone who says things for no toher purpose than to try and isntigate a fight
19:11 <@TheLightCosine> you are syaing these things because you think it will rile someone up
19:11 < Mercster> a troll is someone who picks fights / annoys others for no other reason than to arouse passions
19:11 < Mercster> exactly
19:11 < Mercster> you're calling me a troll, trying to piss me off
19:11 < Mercster> so you are the troll
19:12 < Mercster> you dont know anyting about jefferson or jackson, obviously, or you would have stated as much already
19:12 < Mercster> to embarrass me or at the very least counter me
19:12 <@TheLightCosine> no merc, i'm calling you a troll because you are and everyone realises it and maybe you will stop trying to irritate people and contribute something meaningful to this channel
19:12 < Mercster> you've inserted absolutely nothing into this
19:12 <@sdodson> what you know about dat shit yo?
19:12 < Mercster> you're a loudmouth asshole
19:12 < Mercster> shut the fuck up
19:12 <@TheLightCosine> Mercster: why would i bother arguing with you
19:12 < Mercster> k shut the fuck up
19:12 < Mercster> you're ignorant, obviously
19:12 <@TheLightCosine> you've deomonstarted you don't care about other's points of view
19:12 < Mercster> nothing to add
19:12 <@aestetix> vagina
19:12 < Mercster> shut the fuck up
19:12 < Mercster> thx
19:12 <@TheLightCosine> heh
19:12 < Mercster> heh
19:13 <@TheLightCosine> poor little troll is getting upset?
19:13 <@aestetix> Alex, the question is "what is the word surefire to make men stop arguing in their tracks?"
19:13 < Mercster> ;)
19:14 <@sdodson> aestetix: but i'm told they both love the cock
19:14 <@aestetix> oh
19:15 < Mercster> aestetix: 'hitler' is the classic byword; whoever mentions hitler first loses. im trying to get TheLightCosine to say anything he might know about Jefferson or Jackson without success, maybe he'd have better luck with der furher
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19:16 <@aestetix> I'm familiar with Godwin's Law.
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19:16 <@TheLightCosine> i tire of this game
19:24 <@Corydon76-dig> sdodson: I assume there was a good reason for removing the permban?
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19:27 <@Corydon76-dig> sdodson: I need to hear this reason, or else there needs to be a public discussion in the future.
19:27 <@TheLightCosine> i will never udnerstand why someone spends so much time and effort to come into a channel and just troll
19:28 <@Corydon76-dig> I agree
19:28 <@TheLightCosine> he doesn't appear to hang out in any other channels either
19:29 <@Corydon76-dig> And my understanding is that he's jobless and isn't looking, either
19:29 <@Corydon76-dig> I don't understand how he can afford to just dick around.
19:30 <@TheLightCosine> lives in his mother's basement probably lol
19:30 <@TheLightCosine> i still love when he tried to act smug and superior and pull the "oh you kids" routine, and it turns out hes 30 lol
19:31 <@Corydon76-dig> I have no problem with people who depend upon their parents for subsistence, as long as they aren't lazy SOBs.
19:33 <@aestetix> hey, I have a really basic php question... anyone got a second?
19:33 <@brimstone> sure
19:33 <@sdodson> Corydon76-dig: nope, i'm fine with it being added again
19:34 <@aestetix> let's say I have class Test { $testing = array(); }
19:34 <@sdodson> I meant to add it but i got distracted
19:34 <@aestetix> how do you access that
19:34 <@aestetix> $job = new Test(); $job->testing[]?
19:34 <@aestetix> cause I tried that and it didn't work
19:34 <@brimstone> if not -> try .
19:34 <@brimstone> $job.testing[]
19:34 <@brimstone> otherwise, i dunno
19:35 <@aestetix> ok
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19:35 <@Corydon76-dig> aestetix: typically, you implement methods in those classes, and the variables declared within the class are considered to be private within those methods
19:35 <@TheLightCosine> oooh sdodson is an sop
19:35 <@TheLightCosine> wow old irc things are coming back to me lol
19:35 <@TheLightCosine> stuff i forgot a long time ago heh
19:36 <@Corydon76-dig> TheLightCosine: there's like 20-30 channel admins in here
19:36 <@TheLightCosine> zomg
19:36 <@aestetix> ok
19:36 <@Corydon76-dig> TheLightCosine: it means the founder has to do a whole lot less
19:37 <@TheLightCosine> i remmeber back in my dalnet days SOPs vs. AOPs was a big status thing
19:37 <@Corydon76-dig> TheLightCosine: I dunno, in time, I may make you a channel admin.
19:38 <@TheLightCosine> lots of your typical internet dick slapping
19:38 <@sdodson> So, honestly I didn't see the problem with that outburst.
19:38 <@TheLightCosine> sdodson: i don't think that's what earned him the akick
19:38 <@sdodson> It would have been a lot different if someone told him he was wrong and why rather than just calling him a troll at step 1
19:38 <@Corydon76-dig> Honestly, I didn't see it.  I had him on ignore.  I was just surprised to see him back in here
19:39 <@Corydon76-dig> which is when I scrolled back to see that you had removed the +b in chanserv
19:39 <@sdodson> He asked me about still being banned, i looked at the logs pointed out that he was a troll, he admitted it, i told him not to troll anymore and removed it.
19:39 <@Corydon76-dig> sdodson: Okay
19:39 <@sdodson> Corydon76-dig: regarding when you set up the akick
19:39 <@TheLightCosine> sdodson: simply put i learned not to argue with him cus he only wants a fight not an intellectual debate
19:40 <@TheLightCosine> so i was simply pointing out that we all know he's a troll and that we won't fall into that trap
19:40 <@Corydon76-dig> sdodson: He said as much that he was intending to annoy me, so I took that as a sign that he wouldn't stop until stopped
19:40 <@sdodson> Ya, that's pretty clear. Though I do worry about this channel's ability to debate with anyone not sharing the hive mind.
19:40 <@TheLightCosine> sdodson: i'll debate with anyone, and even usually admit when i'm wrong
19:41 <@TheLightCosine> what i won't do is waste time arguing with someone who just spouts off things he knows will piss you off, and not lsiten to legitimate arguments
19:41 <@TheLightCosine> especially when they base some of their arguments off made up facts about their opponent
19:41 <@TheLightCosine> for example, the cerkit thing
19:42 <@sdodson> Like there's ever been a debate in here based strictly on verifiable fact.
19:42 <@sdodson> Well, other than every now and then you guys refuse to admit that I'm awesome.
19:42 <@sdodson> THAT IS FACT!
19:42 <@TheLightCosine> sdodson: i meant more the "Whatever, you're just some rich 18 year old white kid"
19:42  * sdodson ducks out for the evening
19:42 <@Corydon76-dig> sdodson: as opposed to when other people in here try to annoy me, it'll only be to a certain point, and I understand that it's all in good fun
19:43 <@Corydon76-dig> Mercster doesn't appear to have any verifiable limits
19:44 <@Corydon76-dig> At least ware behaves the majority of the time.
19:44 <@TheLightCosine> majority?
19:45 <@TheLightCosine> maybe we should just say "some" =P
19:45 <@Corydon76-dig> Doesn't mean he doesn't get kicked when he's drunk on IRC, but at least ware has SOME redeeming content
19:45 <@Corydon76-dig> TheLightCosine: during the day, he acts mature
19:45 <@TheLightCosine> i'm just poking fun
19:46 <@Corydon76-dig> Yeah, I know
19:46 <@Corydon76-dig> Anyway, I need to go start dinner
19:47 <@sdodson> Oh, btw, who's going to Outerzone? And what's the deadline for rooms at the OZ rate?
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20:25 <@Catonic> dc0de!
20:28 <+ware> wth
20:28 <+ware> Catonic: did you change my AIM password
20:28 <@Catonic> shit, did I forget to share it with you?
20:29 <@Catonic> I gave it to everyone else... how did I miss you?
20:29 <+ware> email it plz, i haz hoes to chat to
20:29 <+ware> seriously tho, it was working an hour ago
20:29 <@Catonic> lol
20:29 <+ware> now every service / client i try to login to it with says it was changed haha
20:30 <@Catonic> not me
20:30 <+ware> go figure aols password recovery system is down atm too
20:30 <@Catonic> but im amused... hoes to chat with...
20:30 <+ware> maybe its an f up on their end
20:30 <+ware> i really dont
20:31  * Catonic goes back to working on the guns... ooh yeah
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20:36 <+ware> wow..
20:36 <+ware> now it starts working
20:36  * ware gets pissed at hacker friends instead of letting paranoia set in
20:40 <@Catonic> oh.
20:41 <@Catonic> how's the saab?
20:41 <+ware> maaaannn
20:41 <+ware> we got it all back together and got to the timing part
20:41 <+ware> where the belt goes around all the crankshaft gears and stuff
20:42 <+ware> and we kept getting 1 tooth off
20:42 <+ware> and it was already dark for an hour and pop was getting tired
20:42 <+ware> so we left it at that and hes gonna finish it up tomorrow
20:42 <+ware> but the heads / cams are all back on, looks good
20:42 <+ware> just cant mess up at all with timing it.  its a zero tolerance thing
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21:23 <@sdodson> What's the linux equivalent of dummynet or whatever that allows you to introduce random packet loss and latency?
21:25 <@brimstone> i normally just chew on the patch cable
21:25 <@sdodson> http://www.linuxfoundation.org/en/Net:Netem  looks promising
21:27 <@Catonic> sdodson: iperf + dummynet on a bsd box running as a bridge =)
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23:13 <@Wilpig> greetings from richmond, va
23:14 <@sdodson> wtf is in richmond?
23:14 < AstralSin> my guess would be wilpig
23:19 <@Wilpig> i'll never tell.  but i'm here right now
23:22 <@Corydon76-dig> He's in town for his species-change operation
23:22 <@Corydon76-dig> He's going to be transformed into a dolphin
23:23 <@Corydon76-dig> And with the remaining parts, doctors are going to try to give the Republican leadership a heart.
23:29 < AstralSin> are you on drugs?
23:30 < AstralSin> if so, share the wealth
23:30 <@Wilpig> mmm dolphin blow hole
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23:31 < AstralSin> jesus christ, i'm not sure which channel is worse, this one or the one with mercster still in it
23:32 <@sdodson> mercster is just misunderstood
23:32 <@rhia> AstralSin: you think _this_ is _bad_?   where have you been?
23:32 <@sdodson> oh shit, rhia is infected with dagmar!
23:36 <@Wilpig> is that likea werewolf?  if we kill the one that infected her she goes back to normal?
23:36 <@rhia> sdodson: corollary does not equate to anything sensible
23:37 <@sdodson> rhia: *shit* _like_ this ZOMG!!!!
23:37 <@sdodson> If IRC had a blink tag, He'd be all over that shit.
23:38 <@rhia> sdodson: prefer *wtf* ?
23:38 <@rhia> spam folder - free viagra - why, was it arrested for BS charges?
23:40 <@rhia> sdodson:  some of us predate AOL - deal
23:42 <@rhia> soft bed and warm Drag0n beckon - g'nite
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23:53 <@dasunt> http://xkcd.com/
23:53 <@dasunt> Win!
23:59 <@Catonic> dc0de: yo
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