--- Log opened Sun Feb 08 00:00:03 2009
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00:13 < peaches1984> lalal
00:18 < Mercster> hi peaches1984
00:19 < peaches1984> hello
00:23 < Mercster> peaches1984: im all hopped up on goofballs and noone else will talk to me
00:24 < Mercster> this is REALLY strong tea
00:24 < Mercster> oh now you too
00:24 < Mercster> OHHHH GREAT
00:24 < Mercster> FINE
00:24 < Mercster> EVERYBODY PILE ON
00:25 < peaches1984> i sorry i aint talking much because i am trying to read for a paper that is due tuesday
00:26 < Mercster> ah
00:26 < Mercster> what class peaches1984
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00:27 < peaches1984> Gen 101
00:27 < peaches1984> general studys
00:27 < peaches1984> i just started
00:27 < peaches1984> so
00:31 < Mercster> ...
00:31 < Mercster> whats that like home ec for retards
00:31 < Mercster> (not an insult just a joke heheheh)
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00:32 < Mercster> i think i may have heard about that at some bigger schools
00:32 < Mercster> where they teach you how to moderate your beer intake, not get aids, and keep your books in good enough shape to be able to sell them at the end of the semester
00:32 < Mercster> is that about right
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00:34 < Mercster> actually yer prolly in genius school and gen 101 is 24 dimensional quantum manifolds
00:34 < Mercster> wouldnt be the first time i was wrong!
00:47 < ware> any one with visual studio around and want to compile something for me
00:50 < Mercster> lol
00:50 < ware> why you lulzn
00:50 < Mercster> seemed appropriate
00:51 < Mercster> would it build in cygwin?
01:04 <@aestetix> ware: what are you trying to compile?
01:04  * Mercster looks at the page again
01:04 < ware> n3n
01:04 < ware> n2n*
01:04 < ware> i found a windows binary
01:05 < Mercster> no shit
01:05 < Mercster> where
01:05 < Mercster> general area, i dont want it, just curious
01:07 < Mercster> ware: this is all a desperate attempt to move #se2600 to where i cant get to it, isnt it
01:09 < ware> rofl
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01:52 <@dasunt> Nobody is here.
01:52 <@dasunt> ;9
01:52 <@dasunt> Er, :(
01:52  * dasunt taps his shift key a few times and sees if it works.
01:52 < Mercster> im here!
01:52  * Mercster waves ecstatically
01:52 <@dasunt> Mercster: What's up?
01:53 < Mercster> nada
01:53 < Mercster> intoxicated on a saturday night
01:53 <@dasunt> :(
01:53 <@dasunt> I did that Friday night.
02:08 < Falun> I tried to ride the line where I was drunk enough to put up with maven but not too much to not get any work done... miserable failure
02:08 <@dasunt> Heh.
02:15 < Mercster> Falun: booze is almost impossible to regulate
02:16 < Falun> that actually wasn't the problem -- turns out there is no point at which I'm drunk enough to stand maven =)
02:16 < Mercster> haha
02:16 < Mercster> well there you go
02:16 < Mercster> thing is, after a certain point, you usually keep trying
02:16 < Mercster> even though all evidence points to futility
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02:30 <@unixfg> oh, god, jello shots...
02:30 <@unixfg> I've stopped, but I'm still getting drunker
02:31 <@CRasH180> There were jello shots at the hooka party I went to tonight
02:31 <@unixfg> they had a hooka too; I was too drunk to notice it :-/
02:31 <@unixfg> kinda wanted to try it
02:32 <@CRasH180> I did not. Just there for the conversation
02:32 <@CRasH180> which was interesting when people started stumbling
02:33 <@unixfg> just cane sugar at this one
02:35 <@dasunt> Gawdamn.
02:35 <@dasunt> Booze makes me energetic.
02:35 <@dasunt> Just cleaned off the bike chain and regreased it.
02:35 <@Dagmar> Just put a half-gallon of gas in mine.  :)
02:36 <@Dagmar> Nature was maybe cutting me a bit of a break tonight with it only dropping to 59F
02:37 <@dasunt> Mine gets 27 miles to the burrito.
02:37 <@Dagmar> heheh
02:37 <@dasunt> It's beautiful here, 35°F.  :p
02:37 <@Dagmar> Wind chill I suppose is less harrowing on a bicycle
02:37 <@Dagmar> Hmm... I biked around MTSU in those temps, but I used a scarf to cover all but the ninja slit
02:37 <@dasunt> It's pretty constant, amazingly enough.  Just budget for 15-20 mph winds and you're set.
02:37 <@dasunt> MTSU?
02:38 <@dasunt> Montanta state?  :p
02:38 <@Dagmar> Yeah I used to go to MTSU
02:38 <@Dagmar> Middle Tennessee State University, down in Murfreesboro
02:38 <@dasunt> Ah.
02:38 <@dasunt> we kind of have a bike culture for Minnesota's main U campus/Minneapolis city.
02:39 <@Catonic> forgot I had this open
02:39 <@dasunt> "kind of" = we have bike lanes, the drivers tend to give bikes some leeway, but there's a depressing lack of police action on bicycle accidents, including fatal ones.
02:40 <@dasunt> Heya Catonic.
02:40 <@Catonic> hulu.com is addictive
02:41 <@Catonic> I've been watching Gordon Ramsay stare everyone down
02:42 <@timoguin> oh man i love gordon ramsay
02:43 <@Catonic> timoguin: Hell's Kitchen, or Kitchen Nightmares?
02:43 <@timoguin> i've only watched kitchen nightmares
02:43 <@timoguin> it does get old though
02:43 <@Catonic> ok... Kitchen Nightmares has significantly less 120% BP yelling
02:43 <@timoguin> nice
02:43 <@Catonic> (bp = blood pressure)
02:44 <@timoguin> haven't watched hell's kitchen yet
02:44 <@timoguin> really don't need another hulu addiction
02:44 <@Catonic> Hell's Kitchen they boil down to a few sentient moments and then every single moment he's yelling.
02:44 <@Catonic> you'd think he was bipolar or manic depressive otherwise
02:46 <@Catonic> you know what gets me about minnesotaeans in winter?
02:46 <@Catonic> biking in freezing temperatures.
02:46 <@Dagmar> That's why they make those crazy environmental suits for bikers
02:46 <@Catonic> not to the point of beard-icecycles... but eyelash-icecycles
02:47  * Catonic took a spelling pill
02:54 <@dasunt> Dagmar: And we hit up the cheapo store instead.  :p
02:54 <@dasunt> It's rather pitiful, but a lot of "cold weather" cycling gear assumes "cold" is 40-50°F.
02:55 <@dasunt> The store for construction and road workers OTOH...
02:55 <@Dagmar> I'd think if you looekd at it and it didn't look like it was ready to be on the surface of the moon, that it's probably not a *really* cold weather suit
02:55 <@Catonic> when you have to make a decision whether to mount a snow tire on the front fork or a ski, it's cold.
02:55 <@dasunt> Skis are pretty worth less.
02:56 <@dasunt> Studded tires, OTOH, I'm fond of.
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03:35 <@Catonic> I love Ramsay's approach to cleaning... keep digging through disgusting stuff until *he* pukes.
03:38 <@timoguin> hahaha
03:38 <@timoguin> "oh moi god this is disGUSTang"
03:39 <@timoguin> "You'll kill someone!"
03:40 < Mercster> ramsay, cleaning?
03:41 < Mercster> oh, like the food stores?
03:41 < Mercster> dont know that ive ever seen ramsay do much but make girls cry and make dudes wanna sock him, which is fucking fantastic tv
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03:42 <@Catonic> so timoguin has seen Kitchen Nightmares and Mercster has seen Hell's Kitchen and I've seen them both.
03:43 < Mercster> eh ive seen them both, i think i just block out the part of kitchen nightmares where he's doing something other than giving himself a ministroke
04:02 <@Catonic> http://www.societyofthemind.com/hamabout_crash.jpg
04:03 < Mercster> ya, thats..
04:08 <@Catonic> even better : she's britsh and did it at "twice over the legal limit"
04:08 <@Catonic> lead them on a 10 mile police chase at 2mph!
04:10 <@Catonic> I'm going to start a company and write-in "model" to every job description, so I can hire and fire at will if $person violates the BMI guideslines
04:18 <@aestetix> I just created twitter filters.
04:19 <@Catonic> zomg, can I have your baby?
04:19 < Mercster> aestetix: boom shakalaka
04:19 < Mercster> can you uncreate twitter while you're at it
04:20 <@aestetix> http://aestetix.livejournal.com/242299.html
04:21  * Mercster stares
04:21 <@aestetix> what
04:22 < Mercster> you're giving the bash code to the core of your upcoming firefox plugin?
04:22 <@aestetix> I'm just tinkering around.
04:24 <@aestetix> It's really primitive.
04:24 < Mercster> well, that's cool
04:24 < Mercster> i dont get twitter. it's like decentralized irc with everyone talking to themselves in their own channel
04:25 < Mercster> it seems like a regression
04:25 <@Catonic> http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p221/wb0qqk/image001-4.jpg
04:25 <@Catonic> New assault rifles for the department: $1,500.00 each.
04:25 <@Catonic> Training cost per officer: $355.00 and forty hours.
04:25 <@Catonic> Picture of an officer on front page of the local paper
04:25 <@Catonic> with the magazine in backwards...PRICELESS !
04:26 <@aestetix> Mercster: and it's pretty and easy to use
04:26 <@aestetix> Mercster: besides, if that's the code for a firefox plugin, it'll be the worst plugin ever
04:28 <@Catonic> http://wwaytv3.com/update_navassa_police_chief_suspended/07/2008#comment <- aweseome
04:28 <@Catonic> I wanna see the video of that
04:54  * Catonic shitter twits
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05:45 < Mercster> dont fear the reaper
05:45 < Mercster> baby im your man
05:58 <@aestetix> wow
05:58 <@aestetix> I was going to hack this twitter plugin to write one
05:59 <@aestetix> this guy is a horrible programmer
06:00 <@aestetix> people wonder why computers get more powerful and stay the same speed
06:17 < Mercster> this dumb gnome twitter client im using has the 3rd largest memory footprint on my machine, behind firefox and nautilus
06:18 < Mercster> which doesnt make a lot of sense to me
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09:43 <@mgalgoci> Mercster: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/gregkh/bti.git;a=summary
09:43 <@mgalgoci> that should work for ya
10:02 < Mercster> mgalgoci: rofl
10:03 < Mercster> Mercster: i think there's an irssi plugin
10:03 < Mercster> not sure
10:03 < Mercster> theres all kindsa shit
10:03 < Mercster> i just dont care
10:03 < Mercster> you know why i waste 30M of core on a twitter client
10:03 < Mercster> *because i can*
10:04 < Mercster> mgalgoci: dont i have you on twitter? maybe it's a bunch of cache to fit your fat fucking head profile pic into the window
10:04 < Mercster> they had to rewrite gtk to support the SHEER SIZE
10:04 < Mercster> gtk thunking layer for galgoci's pasty slovak forehead
10:07 <@mgalgoci> I'm not on twitter
10:07 <@mgalgoci> I maintain that twitter is gay
10:08 <@mgalgoci> and not the good kind of gay
10:08 <@mgalgoci> the man sex in prison gay
10:11 <@mgalgoci> hah, bti is in fedora
10:12 <@mgalgoci> sudo make me a sandwich
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12:13 <@TheLightCosine> w00t got alsa working now
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13:36 <@mgalgoci> alsa is a tricky vixen
13:36 <@dasunt> alsa PMSes a lot.
13:37 <@dasunt> OSS is better, 'cept in leenucks.
13:38 <@mgalgoci> I was happy to see the opensound guy finally make good on releasing the entire code base
13:40 <@dasunt> Too bad it is too late.
13:40 <@dasunt> ALSA has taken over the leenucks world.  :(
13:40 <@mgalgoci> bbiaf, new kernel
13:41 <@mgalgoci> the old one had skid marks
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13:57 <@mgalgoci> ahhh that new kernel smell
13:58 < Mercster> mmm smells like ASS
13:59 <@mgalgoci> you need to change yours :(
13:59 <@mgalgoci> the aroma of ass should be the giveaway
14:00 < Mercster> change my ass?
14:01 < Mercster> that's some fancy surgery
14:01 < Mercster> kernel-2.6.27.5-117.fc10.i686
14:01 < Mercster> kernel-2.6.27.9-159.fc10.i686
14:01 < Mercster> kernel-2.6.27.12-170.2.5.fc10.i686
14:01 < Mercster> 3 > 1
14:05 < Mercster> haha, wait, opensound? are those the jokers that sold linux sound drivers back in the day?
14:06 < Mercster> i remember warez'ing those
14:06 < Mercster> my hands were tied
14:07 < Mercster> 285k 20 second clip porn avis just dont really get it done without sound
14:07 < Mercster> also i enjoyed employing .au files as biff notifications
14:09 <@mgalgoci> Mercster: their work started as open source and they went closed as soon as the plugin arch was in the kernel
14:09 < Mercster> yeah, i remember that
14:10 < Mercster> same codebase, they just stayed on top of new cards and stuff
14:11 < Mercster> remember that linuz warez archive someone we knew used to run, it had shit like that, osslinux.tar.gz, and like, fuckin Motif binaries
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14:11 < Mercster> i dont even remember why people wanted Motif but it was a big win to score those .so's
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14:11 < Mercster> i dont even remember why people wanted Motif but it was a big win to score those .so's
14:12 < Mercster> combined with like, the commercial doom wads
14:12 < Mercster> just a hodgepodge of the saddest warez on the planet
14:12 < Mercster> but it was so awesome
14:12 < mgalgoci> yeah
14:12 < mgalgoci> mwm baby!!
14:12 < Mercster> haha yeah that WAS it wasnt it
14:12 < Mercster> people wanted Motif so they could run mwm
14:12 < Mercster> instead of fvwm, which, i dunno why
14:12 < Mercster> since mwm blew
14:13 < Mercster> it was just different, so people wanted it
14:13 < Mercster> or rather, it was like the workstations they had at school/work
14:13 < mgalgoci> then came enlightenment
14:13 <@sdodson> hi
14:13 < Mercster> HAH
14:13 < Mercster> dude
14:13 < mgalgoci> OOOOOOOOOOOOOH SHINY BALL!!!!!
14:13 < Mercster> i was going to mention enlightenment
14:13 < Mercster> yeah
14:13 < Mercster> same phenomena
14:13 < Mercster> "this shit looks WICKED MAN INSTALL IT"
14:13 < Mercster> "but, its slow and it crashes and the menus dont work and you need to know lisp to add an icon" SO WHAT
14:14 < Mercster> TRANSPARENT WINDOWS
14:14 < Mercster> titlebars thinner than 30 pixels!
14:14 <@sdodson> It's fun watching desktop fads swing through my group at work. kde4 -> e17. I think ratpoison is the new hipster desktop
14:14 < Mercster> "slick"
14:14 < mgalgoci> enlightenment was the ubuntu, and if you could get that fucker to build and run you were the balls
14:14 < Mercster> sdodson: last i checked all the hardcore anti-desktop people were making do with crap like blackbox
14:14 < Mercster> or whatever its called
14:15 < Mercster> some throwback to fvwm1, but without the functionality
14:15 <@sdodson> Mercster: zomg i run fluxbox too!
14:15 < Mercster> yea
14:15 < Mercster> yer hard man
14:15 < Mercster> kickin it old tyme
14:15  * mgalgoci installs eterm for nostalgia
14:15 <@sdodson> But only because someone fucked up the ati drivers in f10 and gnome runs too slow to be usable.
14:16 < mgalgoci> and the ever stape windowmaker and afterstep
14:16 < Mercster> sdodson: h0h0h0 rpm fusion just updated to the latest nvidia 180.22 and they're silky smooooooooth
14:16 < Mercster> mgalgoci: i actually liked windowmaker
14:16 < Mercster> i ran it at various periods
14:16 < mgalgoci> it was decent
14:16 < Mercster> for a long time
14:16 <@sdodson> I need a new laptop soon.
14:16 < mgalgoci> me too
14:16 < Mercster> ive also run that xfce
14:17 < mgalgoci> I never got into xfce
14:17 < Mercster> which is a decent, updated knockoff of cde
14:17 < Mercster> it's kinda like windowmaker
14:17 <@sdodson> I need to make sure whatever the current standard laptop is will support dual head, ideally LVDS at native resolution and my lame 17" LCD
14:17 < Mercster> it does its own thing, everything is there, its kinda like cde if you squint but 10x better
14:17 < mgalgoci> windowmanker was a takeoff on openstep
14:17 < Mercster> graphical tools for mucking with the panel
14:17 < Mercster> yeah
14:17 < mgalgoci> which eventually became the foundation for osx
14:17 < Mercster> they both kinda simplified and snazzed up interfaces of older systems
14:18 < Mercster> and were just window managers, rather than full envs/apis
14:18 < Mercster> but they did what they did well
14:18  * mgalgoci installs e16 for the fuck of it
14:18 < Mercster> mgalgoci: oh god
14:18 < Mercster> dont do it man
14:18 < Mercster> you're not getting any younger
14:18 < mgalgoci> TOO LATE, YUM IS RUNNING!!!
14:18  * Mercster shakes his head
14:18 < mgalgoci> I'm gonna snap an ACL or something
14:18 < Mercster> hmm maybe ill load of xfce for awhile
14:18 < Mercster> get some quickness going on
14:18 < mgalgoci> like skateboarding when you are 50
14:18 < ware> e17 is out
14:18 < Mercster> mgalgoci: heh, right
14:19 < Mercster> mgalgoci: this could be harmful to your mental health, which has deteriorated over time
14:19 < Mercster> mgalgoci: it'll just remind you of how bad linux sucked for so long
14:19 < Mercster> like, till last week or so
14:19 < mgalgoci> Mercster: I'm gonna do it. you can't stop me. Just stop trying.
14:19 < Mercster> ok well make sure to install a kickin' theme!
14:20 < Mercster> that, when loaded, doenst look anything like the screenshot!
14:20 < mgalgoci> themes - check
14:20 < Mercster> cuz the packager is a moron!
14:20 < Mercster> and enlightenment sucks!
14:20 < mgalgoci> I remember when raster left
14:20 < Mercster> dude it was only a year or so ago trockij was bragging about still running fvwm2
14:20 < Mercster> you oughtta bring that up to him
14:20 < Mercster> and laugh in his face
14:20 < mgalgoci> I'm not sure if that is something I'd brag about
14:20 < Mercster> he runs windows now and thinks he's above it all
14:21 < Mercster> im tellin you, not MORE than 2 years ago, fvwm2
14:21 < Mercster> cuz gnome is for pussies, i guess
14:21 < Mercster> ehh anyway im just pickin on him
14:21 < Mercster> i like trockij, but that was weird
14:21 < mgalgoci> ooooo shiny
14:21 < Mercster> raster was a weird bird
14:21 < Mercster> what happened to him
14:22 < Mercster> is he a shaman in bolivia or something now
14:22 < mgalgoci> he went back to au I thought
14:22 < mgalgoci> he's a bushman
14:22 < Mercster> or maybe has an ice cream truck
14:22 < Mercster> gotcha
14:22 < mgalgoci> an ice cream truck with a bear in the back
14:22 <@sdodson> kick'n theme (pre-requisite: tits) + transparency + top + uname -a = AWESOME FUCJKING SCREENSHOT DUDE!
14:22 < mgalgoci> like in borat
14:22 < Mercster> and still wearing that damn hat
14:23 < Mercster> WEEWAWEEWA!
14:23 < mgalgoci> eterm is slow compared to a modern gnome terminal
14:23 < Mercster> he's probably a starbucks swilling apple enthusiast in san diego
14:23 < Mercster> he goes by "Jean" now
14:23 < Mercster> mgalgoci: considering linux was always slow, noone noticed
14:24 < mgalgoci> yeah
14:24 < mgalgoci> the gnome guys did some performance work a while back
14:24 < mgalgoci> like concerted effort to unbloatify and make things faster
14:24 < Mercster> dunno
14:24 < Mercster> i think its just more ram
14:24 < Mercster> liek it's always been
14:24 < Mercster> well, i will say, a lot of that underlying pie-in-the-sky bullshit was pulled out
14:25 < mgalgoci> http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y114/stevenmiller/quadlow.jpg
14:25 < Mercster> when they realized noone was going to be using any of it
14:25 < mgalgoci> salame fuckhead
14:25 < Mercster> it has slimmed down
14:25 < Mercster> salame!
14:25 < Mercster> (great job)
14:25 < Mercster> mgalgoci: you watch t&e now?
14:26 < mgalgoci> no I don't have cable
14:26 <@sdodson> I think 2.16 was a debloat fix shit release.
14:26 < ware> lolol
14:27 < Mercster> i have no idea what version of anytihng im running
14:27 < Mercster> besides fedora 10 and net 2.0
14:27 < Mercster> ive evolved beyond
14:28 <@sdodson> net 2.0?
14:29 < Mercster> yeah its where the applications are for everybody and have widgets
14:29 < mgalgoci> http://blog.fishsoup.net/
14:29 < mgalgoci> owen is working on some cool shit
14:30 < Mercster> taylor
14:30 < Mercster> wth is gnome shell
14:30 < mgalgoci> http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell
14:30 < Mercster> is that one of those simplified interfaces for the poor little black childrens in africa
14:30 < Mercster> for their rubber laptops
14:31 < Mercster> aww, panel is going away?
14:31 < Mercster> no way man
14:31 < Mercster> i wont stand for it
14:31 < AstralSin> no, i think they're targeting that towards a new generation of netbooks
14:32 < Mercster> ive loved gnome-panel since the only applet for it was that dumbfuck fish who would quote fortune(1)
14:32 < AstralSin> i read something about it the other day
14:32 < Mercster> AND WE LOVED IT
14:32 < Mercster> AstralSin: hmm
14:32 < Mercster> if i had a netbook id prolly run xfce or something
14:32 < AstralSin> i run openbox on my laptop
14:32 < mgalgoci> http://git.gnome.org/cgit/gnome-shell/
14:33 < Mercster> never heard of it
14:33 < Mercster> is it a radical fork of fluxbox
14:33 < Mercster> and busybox
14:33 < Mercster> and whosonfirstbox
14:33 < AstralSin> it was around before fluxbox
14:33 < Mercster> wow, ok
14:33 < AstralSin> busybox isn't a wm :)
14:33 < Mercster> sorry
14:33 -!- sync350 [n=sync@adsl-66-176-23.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #se2600
14:33 < Mercster> it's all boxes to me, man
14:33 < Mercster> and hopefully, they respond to mouseclicks and have colorful pictures in them
14:34 < AstralSin> im using crunchbang linux on my lappy, which is really nice.  its running openbox with a bunch of really useful keyboard shortcuts already configured
14:35 < mgalgoci> when I first heard of busybox I thought it was a window manager
14:35 < AstralSin> pretty much everything you'd use all the time, terminal, web browser, email, etc.
14:35 < Mercster> you guys seen firefox yet? pretty slick
14:35 < AstralSin> no, never heard of it, what is it?
14:35 < Mercster> new OS
14:35 < Mercster> it has porn and email and all that shit
14:36 < mgalgoci> I'm still using emacs
14:36 < mgalgoci> :(
14:36 < Mercster> i have something for you
14:36 < Mercster> fundamental
14:36 < AstralSin> Mercster: does it play solitaire?
14:36 < Mercster> when i contracted for the air force, my boss was an old USENIX guy, he did absolutely fuckin everything in emacs
14:36 < Mercster> eveeeeeerything
14:36 < AstralSin> i hate emacs
14:36 < Mercster> he used cvs thru emacs
14:37 < Mercster> well, i do too, but, thats beside the point
14:37 < AstralSin> cvs hahaha thats old school
14:37 < AstralSin> i loathe cvs
14:37 < Mercster> well our dept used cvs for config management, all kinds of documents, code, standards,
14:37 < Mercster> but he actually used some emacs cvs module
14:37 < Mercster> that let him do weird stuff with the META key
14:37 < Mercster> i dunno
14:38 < Mercster> it was black magic
14:38 < Mercster> i dont think he ever used any alphanumeric keys
14:38 < Mercster> everything was macro'd up
14:38 < Falun> one of the old TAs I used to work with used emacs for everything as well: e-mail, source control, web browsing, mp3 playback, etc
14:38 < Mercster> yea
14:38 < Mercster> i liked that guy, he was a nice old man and damn clueful
14:38 < Mercster> just curious with the whole emacs thing
14:38 < Mercster> in the 60s i guess emacs was like windows 7 or something
14:39 < Mercster> i think i used gnus a couple times
14:39 < Mercster> but yeah, fuck all that mess
14:40 < Mercster> joe was the first unix/linux editor i ever used
14:40 < Mercster> slackware recommended it for new users
14:40 < Mercster> dont think i got to using vi for a couple years
14:41 < Mercster> anyway wtf, gnome-panel stays
14:41 < Mercster> it's decidee
14:41 < Mercster> d
14:42 < mgalgoci> no
14:42 < mgalgoci> I have taken your gnome-panel
14:42 < mgalgoci> in order to get it back you must run debian testing
14:42 < mgalgoci> where gnome-panel will live in perpetuity
14:43 < Mercster> dont think i wont do it
14:43 < Mercster> i will go straight up gnu/horde on your ass
14:44 < Mercster> who will champion a new dawn of gnome-panel relevency
14:49 < mgalgoci> Mercster: here's some good reading for ya
14:49 < mgalgoci> http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Change_you_can_download:_a_billion_in_secret_Congressional_reports
14:50 < mgalgoci> http://wikileaks.org/wiki/CRS_reports_by_date
14:50 < Mercster> you have me confused with timball
14:50 < Mercster> i dont want government transparency
14:51 < Mercster> i dont want to know what dark wheels turn in the halls of power which keep us save from aliens, russians, and global cooling
14:51 <@sdodson> Barack H Christ!
14:51 <@sdodson> wait is that how you spell barak?
14:52 < Mercster> whatever, just call it an anglicazation
14:52 < Mercster> if INDEED THAT IS A WORD SIR
14:53 < ware> mgalgoci: nice link
14:54 < Mercster> how did they arrive at that billion dollar figure
14:54 < Mercster> sounds like fuzzy math
14:55 < Mercster> 3/4ths of it probably consists of stuff like "Well, ok, on the level, we know Bob killed that whore in Baja last year, but can we really keep him off Appropriations?"
14:55 < mgalgoci> I'm going to get a drum feed magazine for my ak
14:55 < Mercster> it could happen to anyone
14:55 < Mercster> wildlife reports
14:56 <@sdodson> 10 years x 100M budget/yr
14:56 < Mercster> how do we get rid of these damned jews WAIT WHAT
14:57 < Mercster> haha
14:57 < Mercster> here's a gem IMPEACHMENT GROUNDS: PART 6: QUOTES FROM SUNDRY COMMENTATORS, October 30, 1998
14:57 <@Dagmar> That's some serious shit there
14:57 < Mercster> what did Fred Barnes think
14:59 <@sdodson> Has anyone heard about Palm Pre being on display at Best Buy?
14:59 <@sdodson> Or is the person who fed me that confusing the centro with the pre?
14:59 < mgalgoci> http://wikileaks.org/wiki/CRS:_The_United_Nations_and_%22Gun_Control%22%2C_April_7%2C_2005
15:00 < mgalgoci> Mercster: I'm going to take a sniper class
15:00 < Mercster> my cold dead fingers
15:00 < Mercster> mgalgoci: cool
15:00 < mgalgoci> I need to get a gila suit
15:01 < Mercster> mgalgoci: they put their forehead on the floor 5 times a day, you couldnt ask for a cozier setup
15:01  * Mercster coughs
15:02 < Mercster> North Slope Infrastructure and the ANWR Debate, October 10, 2003
15:02 < Mercster> yeah, that went somewhere
15:04 <@sdodson> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r67Dpk6D-CI
15:10 < Mercster> is there a document in there that explains why sarah mclachlan makes feed-the-poor-children type commercials, but for dogs and cats
15:10 < Mercster> with lingering camera shots on sad looking animals
15:11 < mgalgoci> animals are tasty
15:11 < Mercster> like its some kinda global fuckin crisis that dogs and cats dont have enough to eat
15:11 < Mercster> im debating feeding my cat today
15:11 < Mercster> i dunno
15:11 < Mercster> she's just kinda on my nerve, ya know
15:12 < Mercster> watch rhia will have the THP knocking on my door
15:12 < Mercster> IM JOKING MY CAT GETS FED EVERY DAY
15:13 < Mercster> and at least half the time it's not a paste made with bonemeal and mineral water forcefed with an icing bag
15:13 < Mercster> JUST KIDDING
15:13 < Mercster> eh you people are boring
15:13 < Mercster> im gonna go take a shit and jack off or something
15:13 < Mercster> later
15:16 < mgalgoci> you should go taunt your stinky kitty with a can of food
15:17 < mgalgoci> just run the can opener to fuck with her
15:17 < Mercster> fuck that man, do i look like a lady to you
15:17 < Mercster> my cat dont eat wet food
15:17 < Mercster> but since you mentioned it, i will give her one of her moist little treats
15:17 < Mercster> cuz she likes them
15:17 < mgalgoci> my man cat only eats one kind of dry
15:17 < mgalgoci> my girl cat will only eat wet
15:17 < Mercster> i make her get up on her hind legs before i put it on the floor
15:17 < Mercster> and i laaaaaaauuugh
15:17 < mgalgoci> do you clap too?
15:18 < Mercster> nah
15:18 < Mercster> i just say "gitgit!" and the gets on her hind legs and touches the treat with her nose and i say GOOD GIIIRL and put it on the grond
15:18 < Mercster> and she knaws at it like a heathen
15:30 <@sdodson> I didn't feed my cat yesterday.
15:31 < Mercster> why
15:31 <@sdodson> I doubled up on friday evening's food, but the dumbass i'm sure gorged himself on that so didn't have anything to eat saturday.
15:31 <@sdodson> I was out of town.
15:31 < Mercster> yea
15:31 < Mercster> animals get bored and they eat
15:31 <@sdodson> I also doubled up in the morning hoping that he'd be satiated in the evening and would leave it for saturday.
15:32 < Mercster> if i try to double up, my cat just insists on eating it all and making herself sick, which would paradoxically lead to her starvation
15:32 < Mercster> so i have to feed her portions
15:32 <@sdodson> oh that doesn't happen
15:32 < Mercster> usually twice a day
15:33 <@sdodson> I do notice if I feed him more in the evening I don't wake up to the shithead clawing at my face.
15:33 < Mercster> actually she's gotten better as she's gotten older, ive been just feeding once, and she kinda splits it up into two meals herself
15:33 < Mercster> heh
15:33 <@sdodson> ZOMG FEED ME IMMA DIE FUCKER! <claws>
15:33 < Mercster> put her in a coma
15:33 < Mercster> the 'itis
15:33 <@sdodson> It's a him. You sexist asshole.
15:33 < Mercster> (psst he wont know)
15:34 < Mercster> i commonly refer to my female cat as Paul and she's never brought it up once
15:34 <@sdodson> Actually I guess right now he's mostly genderless.
15:34 < Mercster> yeah
15:34 < Mercster> his manhood was tossed into a waste bin years ago
15:34 < Mercster> what a wretch
15:34 <@sdodson> got that shit cut in hopes that he'd stfu and it worked!
15:35 < Mercster> i had my cat's vagina scooped out, too
15:35 < Mercster> so she wouldnt have babies or fuck my foot
15:35 < Mercster> which is pretty convenient for me
15:35 <@sdodson> ya, if it's anything like a dog being in heat it's a fucking mess
15:35 < Mercster> ehh not a mess
15:35 < Mercster> ive lived with many an unfixed female cat
15:35 < Mercster> its not messy just...very....very...very fucking annoying
15:36 < Mercster> with the rubbing and the mewing and the overt sexual advances that you're not sure to return or not
15:36 <@sdodson> my cat has luckly never sprayed
15:36 < Mercster> it's a hassle
15:36 < Mercster> yeah got my kitty done young
15:36 < Mercster> that's the only way to do it
15:36 < Mercster> else they could still end up acting weird
15:37 <@sdodson> He was about 2 years old I imagine.
15:37 < Mercster> you do cats at months, usually
15:37 <@sdodson> I can't know for sure since my friend was never able to produce papers.
15:37 < Mercster> or try to
15:37 < Mercster> it fools them into thinking its a normal part of existence, before they get used to having sex organs
15:38 < Mercster> like taking candy from a baby
15:38 < Mercster> with a knife
15:38 <@sdodson> I've heard that you should let them fully mature as it will fuck them up hormonally if you do it too early.
15:38 < Mercster> hmm
15:38 < Mercster> havent heard that but, im sure its been floated
15:38 < Mercster> i bet you can CoW
15:39 <@sdodson> rhia rhia rhia
15:39 <@sdodson> rhia
15:39 < Mercster> no plz :(
15:39 < Mercster> ITS SLEEPING
15:40 < Mercster> its just us two guys sdodson, drinking beer, talking about cat genitals
15:40 < Mercster> why would you wanna ruin this
15:40 < Mercster> with what may or may not be wiccan rumor, anyway
15:40 <@sdodson> that's so depressing, i'm going to go enjoy the sun
15:41 < Mercster> my father, and my father's father, and my father's father's father before him have always removed cat genitals as early as possible
15:41 < Mercster> just let it lie
15:41 < Mercster> dont rock the boat
15:41 < Mercster> dont tip the boat over
15:42 < Mercster> go on with ya bad self
15:43 <@rhia> sdodson: wha?  spay/neuter - can be done earlier, vets i've worked with don't advocate it as they tend to have better health later in life if you wait till their adolescent
15:43 < Mercster> DOH
15:44 <@sdodson> Mercster: TOLDJA SON!
15:44  * rhia goes back to attempting to breathe - bloody sinuses
15:44 < Mercster> wiccan lies
15:44 < modnoc> vets here say 4 to 6 weeks
15:45 < modnoc> after birth
15:45 <@rhia> considering wiccan is a modern 'religion', yeah, probably a lot is - but i'm not wiccan
15:45 < Mercster> not conception?
15:45 <@sdodson> modnoc: who the fuck are you?
15:45 < Mercster> hah
15:45 <@sdodson> I don't like new names around here
15:45 < modnoc> not nohbody
15:45 < Mercster> sdodson: WE COULD ASK THE SAME OF YOU SIR
15:45 <@sdodson> state your name and purpose!
15:45 < Mercster> modnoc: dont answer
15:45 < modnoc> I'm chuck and I'm NOT trolling
15:45 < Mercster> modnoc: he's just trying to tear your age old cat wisdom apart
15:46 < modnoc> feed em too much and they won't mouse
15:46 < Mercster> hungry animals are happy animals
15:46 < Mercster> thats a truism
15:47 < Mercster> actually i only know that's true of fish
15:47 < modnoc> sdodson, I'm not new just been out of town a while
15:47 < Mercster> im quite an aquarist
15:47 < Mercster> i used to keep african rift lake cichlids, wonderful animals
15:47 < modnoc> asked about Wilpig Friday night when I walked in
15:47 < Mercster> fascinating, smart (for fish)
15:48 < modnoc> aquarist = fresh water as opposed to salt?
15:49 <@Drag0n> for whom the bell troll's
15:49 < Mercster> modnoc: yeah, i actually never got around to salt water. a bit too expensive
15:49 < modnoc> yeah they say it pays off only in proximity to the ocean
15:50 < Mercster> modnoc: african cichlids are about as close to saltwater fish as you get, behaviorally/physically, with the colors and whatnot
15:50 < Mercster> modnoc: mmm, thats the beauty of aquariums, if you;'re good and have the right equipment you can pull of just about anhthing
15:50 < Mercster> but saltwater equipment is much more expensive, more work (some) and usually require bigger tanks
15:51 < modnoc> african cichlids don't get too big
15:51 < Mercster> it's decorative, enjoyable to watch, but i think for most aquarists part of the alure/fun/point of it is to try and get a little ecosystem going, to try and replicate as closely as possible natural conditions and have naturally looking, acting fish
15:51 < Mercster> healthy
15:52 < Mercster> modnoc: most dont get very big, no...south american cichlids can get much bigger
15:52 < modnoc> I hear anything < 50 gallon is really hard
15:52 < Mercster> yeah, the smaller, the harder
15:52 < Mercster> chemical changes in the water make a bigger impact on the organisms
15:52 < Mercster> biggest tank i ever had was 55gal
15:52 < Mercster> had a few actually
15:52 < Mercster> sure did have fun with those setups
15:52 < Mercster> some real nice fish
15:52 < Mercster> healthy, aggressive, smart
15:53 < modnoc> you run a quanantine tank as well?
15:53 < Mercster> ahh, no i never added fish often enough or haphazardly enough to need a quarantine tank
15:53 < Mercster> i know whats involved and whatnot, just never bothered
15:54 < Mercster> i had good sources of fish and could spot a sick fish miles away
15:54 < modnoc> though safe it does require a dedication to the practice
15:54 < Mercster> ive had fish in quanuntine for small times in seperate containers but nothing like a nice sump setup
15:54 < Mercster> yeah
15:54 < modnoc> I think we successfully changed the subject off cat gonads
15:55 < modnoc> doh!
15:55 < Mercster> really, if you buy good equipment and take care of it, and understand the three types of filtration that go on in a tank, they're actually pretty easy
15:55 < Mercster> basic understanding of the chemical/biological mechanisms going on and a willingness to let nature work for itself
15:55 < Mercster> just some patience and watchfulness
15:56 < modnoc> met a guy who ran salt and programmed lighting for it, but lived in South Carolina
15:56 < Mercster> nod
15:56 <@sdodson> damn it's kitty tumbleweed season
15:56 < Mercster> well there is no doubt a saltwater tank always has the potential to be much more striking than almost any freshwater setup
15:56 < modnoc> underwater light takes on a new ...
15:56 <@sdodson> time to start vacuuming more than once a month
15:56 < Mercster> but you can do pretty damn well if you know what to go for fresh
15:56 < modnoc> ambiance?
15:57 < modnoc> its just different
15:57 < Mercster> modnoc: the reeeaaal tough stuff in salt tanks is like, coral
15:57 < Mercster> anemones
15:57 < Mercster> the invertebrates
15:57 < Mercster> they're super, super sensitive
15:57 < Mercster> 100x worse than any angelfish
15:57 < modnoc> yah swhy the guy did artificial lighting
15:57 < Mercster> yeah
15:57 < Mercster> they need all kinds of bizzare stuff
15:57 < Mercster> im sure its fun, but, just too expensive
15:57 < Mercster> for my budget, when i did it
15:58 < Mercster> i put it into superior filtration and fish for freshwater
15:58 < Mercster> and was just as happy as a hobbyist
15:58 < modnoc> lobsters + tank + gravel = mess
15:58 < Mercster> heh...i had a "blue lobster" once (was a crayfish)...lived in a 55gal tank with my african cichlids...great pet :)
15:58 < Mercster> great dramas would develop
15:58 < modnoc> yur making a fish farm sound interesting
15:59 < Mercster> it's fascinating, fun, educational, and fulfilling
15:59 < Mercster> and beautiful
15:59 < modnoc> yup
15:59 < Mercster> i looooove aquariums
15:59 < modnoc> Mercster you still keep one?
15:59 < modnoc> out of the reach of the cats?
16:00 < Mercster> modnoc: i have a 20gal sitting a few feet from me...could never afford to populate it beyond the initial fish i cycled the tank with....and they lived about their normal span, 2-3 years, but it now lies dormant
16:00 < Mercster> eh my cat is disciplined enough to know not to go near it
16:00 < modnoc> ahhh too bad
16:00 < Mercster> my cat understands boundaries
16:00 < Mercster> heh
16:00 < Mercster> i have had cats go after fish tho, in the past
16:00 < Mercster> cats with less character and poise than my current one
16:01 < Mercster> damn cat fell in once
16:01 < Mercster> i was so pissed
16:01 < Mercster> water everywhere
16:01 < Mercster> fish all fucked up scared
16:01 < modnoc> rofl
16:01 < Mercster> (and stressed fish is the last thing you want)
16:01 < modnoc> yeah takes forever to get them back right
16:01 < Mercster> yeah
16:02 < Mercster> and they undergo biological changes that make them more prone to the little bugs and microbes living in the water
16:02 < modnoc> funny they can get territorial in a few cubic inches
16:02 < Mercster> they lose their slime coat, get sick, disease spreads
16:02 < modnoc> uggh
16:02 < Mercster> stressed fish are not long for this world
16:02 < Mercster> some are hardier than others of course
16:02 < modnoc> out with the trash
16:03 < Mercster> thats why african cichlids were so great...in addition to being colorful and beautifiully shaped, they're tough as nails
16:03 < Mercster> smart and ornery
16:03 < Mercster> takes quite a bit to muss a feisty cichlid
16:04 < modnoc> I vaguely remember a scandal of smuggled aquarium creatures a few years back, corals, ...
16:04 < Mercster> ive had cichlids that were so smart, if i didnt feed them in time, they would pick up the pebbles from the bottom of the tank and spit them against the glass
16:04 < Mercster> *tink*
16:04 < Mercster> *tink*
16:04 < Mercster> basically make fuckin faces at you
16:04 < modnoc> <smiles>
16:04 <@rhia> Mercster: had gourami's, couple of pleco's, some angels, and danios of all kinds - miss my tanks, but left them back w/the ex during the divorce
16:05 <@rhia> Mercster: heh, imagine what they'd do if the could get out of the tank
16:05 <@rhia> <g>
16:05 < Mercster> rhia: nice...yeah thats a nice central/south american riverine tank...ive had similar...not quite as colorful or as much peronality as the cichlids
16:05 < Mercster> but very pretty
16:05 < Mercster> rhia: lots of nice varied shapes
16:05 < modnoc> I never kept fish maybe should
16:05 < Mercster> rhia: and even those little tiny boring fish, in a school, are great to watch
16:05 < Mercster> modnoc: start with a 30G, make it easier on yourself
16:05 < modnoc> thx
16:05 <@rhia> favorite were the plecos - look like the Nautilus
16:05 < Mercster> ppl think "oh ill start small and easy with a 10G" ahh, no
16:06 < Mercster> less stable environment
16:06 < Mercster> less room for mistakes
16:06 <@rhia> and grow as large as the tank lets them
16:06 < Mercster> rhia: yes plecos are very cool
16:06 < Mercster> they love their little green pellets
16:06 <@rhia> yeah, best luck i had was with the 55gallon tanks
16:06 < modnoc> me ma keeps koi
16:06 < Mercster> rhia: yea 55G is a great size between too small and too damn expensive and messy
16:06 < Mercster> juuuust right IMHO
16:06 < modnoc> got rid of the tank and built a pond
16:07 < Mercster> ponds give you limited choices
16:07 < Mercster> but they're nice outdoor fixtures
16:07 < modnoc> and the critters that like to prod
16:07 < Mercster> rhia: favorite little riverine fish i ever had was an upside down catfish
16:07 < Mercster> ive had a few
16:07 < Mercster> they spend 100% of their lives basically, upside down
16:07 <@rhia> yeah, we had 2 set side by side - looked a lot like a single tank due to the wood enclosure holding them - but a LOT easier to clean than a 110
16:07 < Mercster> sit on the underside of leaves
16:08 < Mercster> real interesting looking, behaving things
16:08 < Mercster> rhia: nod
16:09 < Mercster> rhia: oscars, which are a large breed of south american cichlid, are usually compared in intelligence to a small dog
16:10  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
16:10 < Mercster> problem with oscars is, they get reeeaaal big, from reeeaaaal small. hard to place with other fish too, best on their own or in a pair
16:10 <@rhia> Mercster: yeah, but they like eating other fish, too <g>
16:10 < Mercster> yeah, exactly
16:10 <@rhia> great if you have a kid that wants guppies ;)
16:11 < Mercster> the way fish are, almost any fish can either be too aggressive, or too picked on, same with oscars...it has to do with coloration and shape and chemical signals that arent really obvious to the human eye
16:11 <@rhia> kid had 3 guppies in a 10 gal tank, soon had 75 guppies to sell back to the fish store
16:11 < Mercster> heh, thats always cool
16:11 < Mercster> something to see
16:11 < Mercster> ive had cichclid babies
16:11 < Mercster> tiiiiny little things
16:12 < Mercster> shaped just like mom
16:12 < Mercster> if i remmeber correctly they were mouth brooded
16:12 < Mercster> i could be misremembering
16:12 <@rhia> why i liked the danios - mixed the fancies zebras and leopards, got fancy spotted fish with long striped fins - and fancy striped fish with long spotted fins -
16:13 < Mercster> nod
16:14 < Mercster> yeah they're real pretty, very relaxing to watch make the rounds...i just always tended to prefer fish who were a little bigger, a little smarter, thus more aggressive
16:14 < Mercster> more complex behavior
16:14 < Mercster> the little tiny minnow fish just kinda...swim
16:14 < Mercster> barbs, danios, tetras
16:14 < Mercster> good for kids tho, hardy and cheap, not very dirty
16:15 < Mercster> ah well
16:15 < Mercster> maaaaaybe someday again
16:16 <@rhia> gouramis <sp> are med fish, for fresh tank fish - the pearls are really pretty at mating time
16:16 <@rhia> the blues can be rather aggressive, esp towards the angel fish (at least, ours were)
16:16 < Mercster> yeah they are real pretty. i always kinda had a hard time with gouramis tho, personally
16:16 < Mercster> they're tempermental
16:16 <@rhia> ended up with blues in one tank, angels in the other
16:17 < Mercster> either get picked on or pick on themselves
16:17 < Mercster> thats another kinda cool part of the "hobby", finding the perfect types and quantity of community fishes that kind of keep the tank in an equilibrium of tension
16:17 <@rhia> dwarfs and pearls tend to be the least argumentative, the others, esp blues, yeah, have to watch for fin damage
16:17 < Mercster> if you leave too much space, they get territorial
16:18 < Mercster> if you crowd them a bit, the aggression is spread over the tank
16:18 < Mercster> and noone really gets uppity
16:18 < Mercster> depending on what fish you want, it can be a challenge
16:18 < Mercster> rhia: yea
16:18 < Mercster> "kissing gouramis" aint kissing ;-)
16:18 <@rhia> gouramis need to surface breath as well as build bubble nests for the eggs, so they need surface plants to make still spots
16:18 < Mercster> yes that's true, they're related to the labrynch breathers
16:19 < Mercster> the very beautiful but oh-so-impossible to keep in a community tank betas
16:19 < Mercster> betas are actually perfectly suited to those tiny bowls you see them in...their natural habitat is very shallow water in asia, like rice paddies and shit
16:19 < Mercster> labrynth rather
16:20 < Mercster> all the same, i was never thrilled to have breeding going on in my tank...a lot of hobbyists focus on that, but i just kind of saw it as a complication
16:20 < Mercster> never had enough tanks to really breed correctly
16:20 < Mercster> so they sat in the tank and usually got ate
16:21 < Mercster> with the associated guilt
16:21 < Mercster> "i made hundreds of tiny babies die"
16:21 < Mercster> eh, just give me all males
16:21 < Mercster> more colorful anyway
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16:21 < Mercster> (in most species)
16:21 <@rhia> yeah, if someone wants a 10 gallon, a male and 2 female bettas works - as long as you can use a separator to keep them apart
16:22 < Mercster> yeah, but again to me that kind of spoils the "ecosystem recreation" part of it
16:22 < Mercster> big ol piece of plastic in yer shit
16:22 < Mercster> rather not
16:22 < Mercster> it's personal preference tho
16:22 <@rhia> and two male bettas will fight for at least 30 gal of territory each - pretty, yeah, but ....
16:22 < Mercster> heh
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16:22 < Mercster> yeah, lasts 3 hours if yer lucky
16:22 <@rhia> nod
16:23 < Mercster> ive never had betas do well in community tanks either, no matter how carefully i tried to select the other fish
16:23 < Mercster> ive heard it said you can do it, but, not me ever successfully
16:23 < Mercster> always ended getting torn up
16:23 < Mercster> they're way too slow
16:23 < Mercster> and their fins are way too long
16:24 < Mercster> even the most docile fish would start eating them alive
16:24 <@rhia> saw some really neat looking betta vases - you grow things like rushes or water lilies and add a male betta
16:24 < Mercster> hmm, nod
16:24 < Mercster> prolly quite like their natural habitat
16:25 < Mercster> cramped and lots of vegetation
16:25 < Mercster> yeah they're nice little individual fish for a desktop or somethign
16:25 <@rhia> having bettas reminds me of growing bonsai, a lot of work for one little pretty thing <G>
16:25 < Mercster> usually fairly healthy unless you feed them too much (which almost always happens)
16:25 < Mercster> rhia: heh, yeah
16:26 < Mercster> rhia: funny when i was a young kid i wanted to have bonsai trees :) got one for christmas one year, though i doubt it was authentic
16:26 < Mercster> looked like something lowes put together in a fancy pot to fool parents
16:26 <@rhia> but something simplistic and zen like about doing it right, i guess
16:26 < Mercster> i liek stuff like that tho
16:26 < Mercster> little terrariums
16:26 < Mercster> little environments
16:26 < Mercster> trying to get as natural a system as you can
16:26 < Mercster> observing
16:26 < Mercster> great fun
16:27 < Mercster> thinkgeek has these great little "carniverous plants" terrariums
16:27 < Mercster> comes with a variety of seeds, dont require much light
16:27 < Mercster> my cat knocked it over about 12 weeks in tho so they didnt get very big
16:27 < Mercster> thinkgeek also sells a little "cactus garden" terrarium, same idea
16:27 < Mercster> but small cactii / succulents
16:27 < Mercster> kinda fun
16:27 < Mercster> fish > plants tho
16:28 <@rhia> yeah, just don't let the cat rub against the cactus - $300 in vet bills isn't fun
16:29 < Mercster> bascially i think it comes down to wanting tiny beings who are powerless to control their own lives who depend on me for sustenance and who see me as God
16:29 < Mercster> j/k, but there's a little of that
16:29 < Mercster> rhia: it comes with a plastic cover, required actually to both intensify the sunrays they'll get from a window, and keep some of the humidity in
16:29 < Mercster> so yeah, besides knocking the whole damn thing over and ruining it, there was no harm
16:29 <@rhia> had one knock a cactus off onto another cat - argghh, cat freaked out, ran all over the house pooping as he went, had cat poop on the TOP of the curtains - and the mentioned vet bill
16:30 < Mercster> hah
16:30 <@rhia> quit growing cactus inside after that
16:30 < Mercster> REOW*pfft*REEOOOW*pfft*
16:30 < Mercster> i bet that was kinda funny, yet depressing at the same time
16:30 <@rhia> one of those, this is Horrible, yet painfully funny afterwards moments
16:30 < Mercster> yeah these are just small little guys...i mean after a year or two they outgrow the terrarium...actually i think the species differed, some would stay small and some wouldnt
16:31 < Mercster> so you had to kind of manage the "community"
16:31 < Mercster> whatever you call a group of disparate plant species
16:31 < Mercster> rhia: yea
16:31 <@rhia> salad
16:31 < Mercster> there ya go
16:33 <@sdodson> 16:39 < Nikky>  I for one support massive ATM scams.
16:33 < Mercster> what is this football on nbc
16:33 <@sdodson> 16:40 <@drgone> ass to mouth?
16:33 <@sdodson> 16:40 < Nikky> Exactly.
16:33 < Mercster> isnt the superbowl the end
16:33 < Mercster> oh nfc afc game
16:33 < Mercster> sdodson: well played
16:34 < Mercster> A MASTER STROKE
16:34 <@sdodson> obviously talking about : 16:31 <@drgone> http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/090202_FBI_Investigates_9_Million_ATM_Scam
16:34 < Mercster> boring
16:35 < Mercster> sdodson: did you go out into the sun, matilda?
16:35 < Mercster> you didnt, did you
16:36 <@sdodson> i had to shower first, thanks for your interest though
16:36 < Mercster> i wanna get to know you
16:47 <@Dagmar> I just want to know when a timed attack automatically became a "flash mob"
16:47 <@Dagmar> Someone at /. needs their mod status pulled
16:49 < Mercster> ive always felt what needed pulled at slashdot was the power line
16:50 < Mercster> or at least the netowkr
17:06 < Mercster> mcdonalds commercials are hilarious
17:06 < Mercster> trying to make that shit look appetizing
17:06 < Mercster> they cant be fooling themselves
17:08 < Mercster> most filmed/televised food is plastic masterfully made to look real; mcdonalds uses their real food to look masterfully plastic
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17:57 <@maco> hehe http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/att00000lg2.gif
17:58 <@ShadowHntr> sfw?
17:59 <@brimstone> no
18:00 <@maco> yes, it's sfw
18:00 <@ShadowHntr> heh.
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18:43 < Mercster> in the most definitive and precise language possible, can anyone tell me if they will fuck a pancake; remember to include as much detail as possible in your answer
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18:43 < Mercster> ShadowHntr whispered it to himself sadly as he /quit
18:43 < Mercster> i win
18:43 < Mercster> ware owes me a dell mini
18:43 < Mercster> OH YEAH
18:44 < Mercster> now, back to what i _really_ wanted to talk about
18:44  * Mercster inhales deeply
18:44 < Mercster> eddie rabbit or kenny loggins
18:44 < Mercster> GO
18:44 < Iceknife> Jessica Rabbit
18:44 < Mercster> mmm
18:44 < Mercster> i like your enthusiasm but technically that is an incorrect response
18:44 < Mercster> anyone else
18:45 < Mercster> ok maybe we're not on the same page here...
18:45 < Iceknife> Selma Blair?
18:45 < Mercster> fuck that ho. selma hayek
18:45 < Mercster> MMMMMMMMM
18:45 < Mercster> i would eat the corn outta her shit
18:45 < ware> jessica rabbit
18:45 < Mercster> but really, i must insist
18:45 < Mercster> eddie rabbit or kenny loggins
18:45 < Mercster> AAAAAAAND BEGIN
18:45 < Iceknife> there is no man, woman, or creature on this planet I'd do that mercster.
18:46 < Mercster> Iceknife: well that's called a colloquial figure of speech there bud, but thanks for playing
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18:46 < Mercster> maybe you can try next time TO SAY SOMETHING INTELLIGENT
18:46 < Iceknife> no mercster it's called scat, but thanks for playing.
18:46 < Mercster> skibbitydoowapdadooooWAPbadaaaaooooow
18:46 < Mercster> THAT is scat my friend
18:47 < Iceknife> that's sca.
18:47 < Mercster> ska?
18:47 < Mercster> no, no its not
18:47 < Mercster> thats three strikes
18:47 < Mercster> anyone else wanna get a smart mouth
18:47 < Mercster> nah im kidding with you guys
18:47 < Mercster> i love you guys
18:47 < Iceknife> go to google images and type scat and corn and see what you get :-)
18:47 < Mercster> Iceknife: :(
18:48 < Mercster> Iceknife: i can give you my answer immediately: :(
18:48 < Iceknife> see if you get skibbitydoowapdadooooWAPbadaaaaooooow or if you get OMG OMG my eyes.
18:48 < Mercster> listen in the south its perfectly acceptible to express a desire to eat the corn out a particularly attractive woman's shit
18:48 < Mercster> dont git mad
18:48 < Mercster> im only bein real
18:49 < Iceknife> ahh in missouri we just say, we wouldn't kick her out of bed for eating crackers, or if you are a crazy type "I'd suck a fart out of her ass"
18:49 < Iceknife> never anything about eating a non-digested vegetable. :-)
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18:49 < Mercster> well now missouri is midwest
18:50 < Iceknife> yeah bible belt :-)
18:50 < Mercster> i lived in iowa and nebraska for a few years and ill admit i never heard that expression
18:50 < Iceknife> really neither one of them?
18:50 < Iceknife> the cracker one is said all the time around here.
18:50 < Mercster> dude im a bible believing Christian with a firm testimony of the Lord, and id still eat the corn out of selma hayek's shit
18:50 < Mercster> i could be a friggin zoroastrian
18:50 < Mercster> that wouldnt change
18:51 < Iceknife> why Selma Hayek.. not even in the top 5 of women.
18:51 < Mercster> i could be High Magus within the Golden Dawn, fighting Puzuzu in the desert while on mescaline
18:51 < Iceknife> #1. Jennifer Love Hewitt, #2. Victoria Beckham, #3. Megan Fox, and etc..
18:51 < Mercster> id still do it
18:51 < Mercster> anyone get that reference?
18:51 < Mercster> anyone?
18:51 < Mercster> Iceknife: pfft
18:51 < Mercster> poor breeding stock
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18:52 < Mercster> you look at selma hayek, you know that was made for baby makin'
18:52 < Iceknife> i don't want a baby, I don't want to take them home to mom.. I have other intentions.
18:52 < Mercster> yeah what, roleplaying your favorite babylon5 scenes
18:52 < Mercster> shuttup nerd
18:52 < Mercster> im talkin about BONIN' SON
18:53 < Mercster> puttin millions of ya TINY BABIES deeeeep inside of her ladybusiness
18:53 < Mercster> ruttin'
18:53 < Iceknife> nuttin'
18:53 < Mercster> please, just pick one and this will all be over
18:53 < Mercster> kenny loggins or eddie rabbit
18:53 < Iceknife> eddie rabbit
18:53 < Synx_hm> fucking EWF the system keeps going into recovery mode but i think the EWF is keeping it from fixing anything so its a nonstopable loop to recover mode every time i boot :(
18:53  * Mercster sighs in relief
18:53 < Mercster> thank you
18:53  * Mercster hugs Iceknife 
18:54 < Mercster> Synx_hm: yea extreme wrestling federation sucks since mankind left
18:54 < Mercster> never heard of the boot tho, what is he some masked guy in boots
18:54 < Mercster> interesting, interesting...
18:54 < Synx_hm> hehe
18:54 < Mercster> sorry im drunk
18:55 < Mercster> and ware is making me say all of this
18:55 < Mercster> because he is an awful person
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18:59 < Iceknife> Mercster  choose a name... Kevin Spacey or Dustin Diamond
18:59 < Mercster> hm'
18:59 < Mercster> Dustin Diamond
19:00 < Mercster> cuz every time he's in one of those "loser asshole boxing matches" he wins
19:00 < Mercster> plus he plays chess
19:00 < Mercster> fuck the haters
19:00 < Mercster> screech 4 LIFE NIGGA
19:00 < Iceknife> he is a complete ass that is a nerd/geek
19:00 < Mercster> yeah
19:00 < Mercster> and
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19:00 < Iceknife> I love his comments.. I was screech in saved by the bell ASSHOLES!
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19:00 < Mercster> all i know is he can kick your ass in a boxing ring
19:01 < Mercster> so keep waggin that dick sucker
19:01 < Mercster> ill let him know
19:01 < Iceknife> wouldnt' that suck, getting beat  by screech.
19:01 < Mercster> dude what ever happened to his begging campaign
19:01 < Mercster> he was gonna lose his house and his momma and his hair and everything
19:01 < Mercster> unless people sent him money
19:01 < Iceknife> They should put him against Mario something.
19:01 < Mercster> didnt hear the last of that
19:01 < Mercster> Iceknife: hah
19:01 < Mercster> yea that mario guy is a beast
19:01 < Mercster> you never know tho
19:02 < Mercster> brains vs braun
19:02 < Iceknife> yeah it'd be interesting.
19:02 < Mercster> he may have intricate footwork and a vicious left jab
19:02 < Mercster> viscious?
19:02 < Mercster> viscous?
19:02 < Mercster> words are hard
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19:15 < Mercster> peaches1984!
19:15 < Mercster> how are ya
19:17 < Mercster> well that answers that
19:18 <@Catonic> I guess his mouth is full; Corydon76-dig is quiet for once.
19:20 < peaches1984> i am good just tired been a long day
19:20 <@Catonic> ... there's your answer.
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19:21 < Mercster> ok peaches1984 i am glad you are able to relax now
19:21 <@Catonic> Things I don't see in my future: notacon and carolinacon
19:21 < Mercster> dont let that pervery Corydon wear you out too much..you're not a piece of meat
19:25 < peaches1984> its not like that i got to school and work long hours
19:25 < Mercster> i know friend, i know
19:25 < peaches1984> ok
19:25 < Mercster> hey you never told me what that "general studies" class was
19:25 < Mercster> or whatever you said it was
19:26 < Mercster> what do they learn you up in that muthafucka?
19:26 < Mercster> studyin and shit
19:26 < peaches1984> group dynamics and writing in apa format and basics of outlining and researching information
19:26 < Mercster> ahh ok
19:27 < Mercster> so what are you a technical writer or what is that shit man?
19:27 <@Corydon76-dig> It's basically, "welcome to our university.  Here's how we expect you to learn, according to our methods"
19:27 < Mercster> i havent used my brain for anything but beer and reallt dirty porn since about 2002
19:27 < Mercster> whats APA format, like citations?
19:27 < Mercster> like "See Wikipedia kthx"
19:28 < Mercster> Corydon76-dig: yeah ive heard of similar classes but every time peaches1984 explains it, it sounds more technical and involved
19:29 < Mercster> what is that, comparitive religion? fluid dynamics, what?
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19:29 < peaches1984> apa is a writting style
19:30 < Mercster> id tell them busters "ey, i write it, you read it, thats my style"
19:30 < Mercster> and it ends there with all your rules
19:32 < Mercster> see gettin you to write in one style is limiting you to one framework in which to express ideas, thus laying the ground for an insidious feedback loop in which THEY FEED YOU and YOU SPIT IT OUT.
19:32 < Mercster> id let them suckers take ME to school and see how they like a little dropped science, you know
19:33 < Mercster> shit man, i flunked outta high school, went to college for that *exact* reason, and put me back in the waterhead remedial classes tryin to teach me that same shit i done rejected not 6 months ago
19:34 < Mercster> i said bitch DID YOU NOT READ THE TRANSCRIPT?
19:34 < Mercster> so shit i showed them, i flunked that shit again
19:34 < Mercster> i was born at night, but i wuznt born last night
19:34 < Mercster> you heard?
19:35 < Mercster> so anyway good luck on your collegiate career
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19:35 < Mercster> what a world of possibilties
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19:35 < peaches1984> thanks
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19:36 < Synx_hm> wtf
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19:36 < Mercster> he's askin us
19:36 < Mercster> "wtf"
19:36 < Mercster> ask yoself, cracka
19:37 < Mercster> i think my cornea may be detaching
19:37 < Mercster> i better go check on that
19:37 < Mercster> nah i think its ok
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19:40 < Synx_hm> shrug
19:40 < Mercster> must be something in the air
19:40 < Mercster> eh
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19:41 < Mercster> hi again
19:41 < scort> high
19:41 < Mercster> dont i wish
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20:13 < Mercster> suck my ub
20:14 < Mercster> ub...
20:14 < Mercster> suck my ubiquitous....
20:14 < Mercster> warm, cold
20:14 < Mercster> suck my ubuntu
20:14 < Mercster> suck my uber...
20:14 < Mercster> oh he left
20:15 < scort> same
20:16 < Mercster> thank you
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20:17 < Mercster> "you can touch daddy's stump"
20:18 < scort> ill burna hole in my screen just so youll stfu on my side
20:18 < Mercster> did you just make that up
20:19 < scort> no i've done it before
20:19 < Mercster> to me or someone else
20:19 < scort> someioneo else
20:19 < Mercster> same jackball, right hahaha ^5 scort
20:19 < scort> looll
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21:01 <@Dagmar> Weird.
21:01 < mgalgoci> "I'm going to make you a little less gross every day!"
21:02 < Mercster> where can i sign up?
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21:19 <@sdodson> Hey, anyone know when Katy Perry's 15 minutes are up?
21:19 <@sdodson> I srsly can't stand the sound of her voice.
21:20 <@sdodson> Oh, and there's so many things wrong with "Please welcome 10 time grammy winner Kanye West" WTF 10 times? That's like voting for Bush 8 more times.
21:20 < Mercster> is that the weirdo with dreds who had a song in the 90s
21:20 < Mercster> something perry it was
21:20 < Mercster> im showing my age
21:20 <@sdodson> Blame it on the rain...
21:20 < Mercster> sorry guys i dont watch laguna beach, dunno who katy perry is
21:20 < Mercster> aaaaaaaahahahaha
21:21 < Mercster> sdodson: yeah
21:21 < Mercster> hahaha
21:21 < Mercster> man
21:21 < Mercster> that bitch is a freak and a half
21:21 < Mercster> oh wait i thot i was on the cool channel
21:21 < Mercster> sorry
21:21 < Mercster> i respect her lifestyle choices
21:21 < Mercster> and she's very artistic
21:21 <@sdodson> Are you on drugs?
21:21 <@sdodson> </red foreman>
21:23 <@Dagmar> http://www.hulu.com/watch/56636/saturday-night-live-really-michael-phelps
21:26 < Iceknife> sdodson I don't even think drugs can screw up someone so much.. I'm blaming his parental figures.
21:27 < Iceknife> Does anyone know how to increase the volume of a sound card? I have everything jacked up as high as it will go and it's very quiet still.
21:27 < Iceknife> It's running ubuntu.
21:28 <@sdodson> Iceknife: Turn up the volume on the speakers?
21:28 <@sdodson> Connect it to the output rather than the line out?
21:28 <@sdodson> hulu.com sucks
21:29 <@sdodson> I can't middle click on shit
21:30 < Iceknife> tried that sdodson
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21:31 <@sdodson> Uhhh, lick my nuts, that may help.
21:31 <@sdodson> Works with most ubuntu users.
21:36 <@unixfg> Iceknife: the drivers under ubuntu sometimes don't allow you to max out the volume on some cards. my laptop is only about half as loud running Linux as it is running Windows.
21:37 < mgalgoci> where's neotim?
21:38 < ware> sdodson: ur hardcore
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21:38 <@Catonic> yay, one more day of antibiotics.
21:39 <@sdodson> Catonic: Which STD did you get this weekend?
21:39 < mgalgoci> Catonic: the clap?
21:40 <@sdodson> Damn i ran out of drive space.
21:40 <@sdodson> No wonder I can't play Peggle Extreme
21:40 <@Catonic> yeah, I got the clap.
21:41 < Mercster> drip drip drip
21:42 <@sdodson> I didn't know she had the GI Joe kung-fu grip
21:43 < Mercster> and it went uhhhhhhhhh
21:43 < Mercster> and de girl caress me DOWN
21:45 < Mercster> haha, oh man
21:45 < Mercster> i see this commercial for this donald trump show
21:45 < Mercster> with celebrities
21:45 < Mercster> who's on there? tom green
21:45 < Mercster> i gotta watch that
21:46 < Mercster> just for the tom green
21:46 <@sdodson> That man is worthless.
21:46 < Mercster> ive always been a huge fan
21:46 <@sdodson> Ya, shocker there.
21:46 < Mercster> good one?
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21:46 < Mercster> anyway, you're obviously hostile towards anyone with more wit than you
21:47 < Mercster> tone it down there, soupy sails, you wont look so desperate for affirmation
21:47 <@sdodson> I'd actually attempt to internalize that IF WE WEREN'T TALKING ABOUT TOM GREEN.
21:48 < Mercster> listen, comedy moves
21:48 < Mercster> it changes
21:48 < Mercster> what was funny 20 years ago aint no more
21:48 < Mercster> then in 40 years its funny again
21:48 < Mercster> tom green is just one of those niche people who hit a certain nerve with certain sensibilities
21:48 < Mercster> such as, the dumber shit is, the funnier it is
21:49 < Mercster> he didnt get shows and movies cuz noone likes him
21:49 < Mercster> you dont like him, thats fine
21:49 < Mercster> be a little more generous in your critical estimation
21:49 < Mercster> 'worthless' is obvious hyperbole
21:50 < Mercster> thus, transparent and WIZZI-WIZZI-WEAKSAUCE!
21:50 < Mercster> its sort of a jerry lewis thing
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21:51 < Mercster> i know most americans hate him, but if i view his stuff in the right frame of mind, i can definintely see talent and "funny" there
21:51 < Mercster> its just not gonna resonate with everyone
21:51 <@Catonic> b.b.b.b.boring.
21:51 < Mercster> f.f.f.f.foooolin' o/~
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21:51 < Mercster> Catonic: boring cuz you aint got nuthin ta speak against TROOF
21:51 < Mercster> sucka
21:52 < Mercster> clonin' ass wanna be mercster ass nigga
21:52 < Mercster> dont hate cuz im bad, only makes ya look sad
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22:02 <@sdodson> https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-February/msg00293.html "There is a mouse issue with sendmail."  That's some hardcore fucked upage there
22:05 < mgalgoci> most likely an interrupt handling issues
22:05 < mgalgoci> sdodson: suggest that (s)he update the bios to fix her sendmail mouse issues
22:06 <@Dagmar> Or that they close their open relay
22:06 <@Dagmar> The machine will lag like fucking mad if sendmail is trying to deliver ten million emails a second
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22:13 < Mercster> sdodson: hah
22:14 < Mercster> sdodson: nice find
22:14 <@brimstone> sdodson: nice, i'm thinking Dagmar's got it right
22:14 <@sdodson> Reminds me of Logik.  ie: http://bash.org/?27494
22:15 < mgalgoci> sendmail doesn't listen on anything but loopback by default
22:15 <@sdodson> or other gems like http://bash.org/?29317
22:15 < mgalgoci> wow
22:16 < mgalgoci> just wow
22:16 < mgalgoci> who the fuck is that guy?
22:16 < Mercster> sdodson: dunno, mouse/sendmail clash is pretty special
22:16 <@brimstone> <3 ironic nick names
22:16 < Mercster> maybe his mail server is just way underpowered, sendmail is eating a shitton of CPU and gpm or whatever is suffering
22:16 < Mercster> mail servers can certainly burn the midnight oil
22:16 <@sdodson> some kid I ran into in some channel that strangely enough ended up coming here a year or two later.
22:16 < Mercster> at both ends
22:17 <@sdodson> i'm surprised there aren't some incredibly dumb quotes with me in there
22:18 < Mercster> yeah ive always wondered how i stayed off bash.org
22:19 < Mercster> there are some mercs in there, but ive never found one that was me
22:19 < Mercster> and hell, id admit it if i did
22:19 < Mercster> ive obviously no shame
22:19 <@brimstone> maybe you aren't so witty after all
22:19 < Mercster> brimstone: not likely, sadsack
22:19 <@sdodson> ya, i bet tom green isn't in there either.
22:19 < Mercster> anyway it doesnt take wit to get onto bash.org
22:19 < Mercster> stupidity works too
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22:20 < Mercster> sdodson: i bet tom green doesnt irc
22:20 <@sdodson> Ya, mostly admissions of getting caught by your mother or sister while jacking off.
22:20 < Mercster> heh
22:20 <@sdodson> There's a few good meta quotes in there.
22:20 < Mercster> yeah thats a staple
22:21 < Mercster> i think only certain subcultures of chatters tend to submit or something
22:21 < Mercster> and ive just never been part of one of those
22:21 < Mercster> some channels probably revolve around gathering more material for bash.org
22:21 < Mercster> which im sure gets boring quickly
22:22 <@sdodson> We have something like that at work. If you walk away with your terminal unlocked someone will profess that you like guys and then someone else will stuff it into a quote database.
22:22 <@sdodson> It makes me want to kick people in the head.
22:23 < mgalgoci> http://bash.org/?505741
22:23 < mgalgoci> sdodson: it should make you want to lock your screen
22:23 <@sdodson> That too.
22:23 <@sdodson> Everyone's rolling bluetooth shit to lock their screens now.
22:24 <@sdodson> But there's some ninja shit, you'll be within five feet and someone will parachute in.
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22:43 <@Dagmar> Wrap some partly metalized foil around your bluetooth fob so it's range drops to about 3 feet
22:43 <@Dagmar> Might help
22:52 < mgalgoci> or just lock you damn screen when you leave
22:53 <@sdodson> leave != spin around in your chair and move two feet to discuss an issue with another technician
22:55 < mgalgoci> if I move three feet to talk to someone and the jackass across the way decides to come over and fuck wiuth my screen I'm going to turn around and deck him
22:57 <@aestetix> Wow, I just totally called bullshit on someone about PhreakNIC.
22:57 <@aestetix> He's from Alabama. I'm like "Oh, cool, have you ever been to PhreakNIC?"
22:57 <@aestetix> "Yeah.... I think it stopped for a few years though."
22:57 <@sdodson> oh ya
22:57 <@aestetix> I'm like. Um.
22:58 <@aestetix> "It must have been a long time ago, because I've been every year since 2001."
22:58 -!- sdodson changed the topic of #se2600 to: not that any of you hosers will actually go, but Carolina Con is March 13-14 in Chapel Hill, NC http://carolinacon.org/
22:59 <@sdodson> aestetix: Ya, because if you don't know him then they totally didn't go!
23:02 <@aestetix> I never said that.
23:02 <@aestetix> I said that PhreakNIC has not stopped since I have been.
23:04 <@sdodson> Oh, my brain fixed that up to something that made sense without me noticing.  I thought he was saying that he stopped going for a few years.
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23:12 < Mercster> mgalgoci: heh...not me
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23:15 <@dasunt> The rod of Asclepius has a unicode symbol
23:15 <@dasunt> ⚕
23:15 <@dasunt> Hmmm, current term font doesn't have it.
23:16 < mgalgoci> you sure it isn't more like this: 
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23:20 <@dasunt> They both look like square boxes to me.
23:20 <@dasunt> :(
23:22 <@ShadowHntr> that second one looked like an apple computer logo to me.
23:37 <@Dagmar> dasunt: The character set doesn't have glyphs for those symbols is all
23:38 <@Dagmar> Terminal is notoriously unhelpful about complex codepage and charset combinations.
23:38 < Mercster> there's urxvt
23:38 < Mercster> if you're really dedicated
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23:44 <@sdodson> http://www.wral.com/news/local/politics/story/4487576/ Bill would require apologies for slanderous Web posts
23:45 < Mercster> slanderous..
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23:45 <@sdodson> Discuss!
23:46 <@sdodson> local haxors are zomg writing their congress critters
23:46 <@sdodson> I'm of the mind that defamation is a tort in the real world, why should it be different online?
23:46 < Mercster> whats slander again, saying bad shit about someone that isnt true, or saying bad shit about someone that is true
23:46 <@ShadowHntr> the former
23:47 < Mercster> which is why it's a bitch to fight i guess
23:47 < Mercster> since you have to prove it isnt true
23:47 < Mercster> in england they're tougher on that shit
23:47 <@ShadowHntr> now if it's in print
23:47 <@ShadowHntr> it's libel
23:47 <@sdodson> Mercster: Yes, false statements.
23:47 < Mercster> print as in paper
23:47 < Mercster> or any text medium
23:47 <@ShadowHntr> yes
23:47 <@ShadowHntr> not sure if internet is considered slander or libel
23:48 <@ShadowHntr> both are treated as torts
23:48 < Mercster> cuz i mean, ya know...web site is print
23:48 <@sdodson> http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/Sessions/2009/Bills/Senate/PDF/S46v1.pdf actual text of the bill
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23:48 <@sdodson> The text says defamation which covers both libel and slander.
23:48 < Mercster> ShadowHntr: whats tort, non criminal?
23:49 < Mercster> sdodson: defamation goes farther tho id guess right
23:49 <@sdodson> Mercster: Yes, essentially anything covered by civil law.
23:49 < Mercster> so as to significantly affect one's public reputation
23:49 <@sdodson> Well, these cases are generally handled based on how public of a profile you've chosen to take.
23:50 < Mercster> yeah
23:50 <@ShadowHntr> i like the idea of the bill
23:50 <@ShadowHntr> but the problem is: the internet is global
23:50 <@sdodson> ie: it's nearly impossible to prove defamation cases against celebs, presidents, etc.
23:50 < Mercster> noone buys joebob down the road's defamation claim
23:50 < Mercster> noone liked joebob anyway
23:50 < Mercster> i know i didnt
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23:51 < Mercster> 'the usual suspects' starting on AMC
23:51 < Mercster> i think ive only seen that once
23:51 <@sdodson> Though, the bill would make it unlawful which I guess makes it criminal, no?
23:51 <@sdodson> I wish I had paid more attention in law class.
23:51 < Mercster> breaking a law...
23:51 < Mercster> sdodson: easy, just always tell the truth
23:51 < Mercster> no problems
23:52 <@sdodson> 20 (d) Jurisdiction. . The offense is committed in the State for purposes of determining
23:52 <@sdodson> 21 jurisdiction, if the transmission that constitutes the offense either originates in the State or is
23:52 <@sdodson> 22 received or viewed in the State."
23:53 <@sdodson> 36 (f) This section shall not apply to anonymous communications."
23:53 <@sdodson> ^^ what's the point then?
23:53 < Mercster> good question; many laws have no point
23:54 <@sdodson> "Anonymity is a myth btw, I suggest you deal with this fact now before you're forced to realize it on someone else's terms."
23:55 < Mercster> is that a threat
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23:55 <@ShadowHntr> lol
23:56 <@Anonymity> Then who am I?
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23:56 < Mercster> some dude
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23:56 <@CRasH180> lol
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23:56 <@Catonic> twitch.
23:57 <@Catonic> fed!
23:57 <@CRasH180> who?
23:57 <@Catonic> you.
23:57 <@CRasH180> Nope, not me
23:57 <@sdodson> god damnit, there are too many adamws in my namespace
23:57 <@Catonic> bullshit, I knew you when you were fed180
23:57 <@CRasH180> lol
23:58 <@CRasH180> When there are two of me on the room, we are fed360
23:58 <@sdodson> There are now atleast three distinct people who go by "adamw" involved with FOSS stuff that I follow.
23:58 < mgalgoci> there sure are a lot of you from halabamma
23:58 <@Catonic> hammabamma?
23:59 <@Catonic> mgalgoci: you got a purdy mouth
23:59 < mgalgoci> yeah something like that
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