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00:06 <@scort> xkcd=win
00:13 < Synx_hm> nice
00:13 < Synx_hm> 1.5Mbit down and 560Kbit up via bluetooth EvDO tether
00:13 <@scort> noice
00:14 < Synx_hm> found my next tattoo
00:14 < Synx_hm> http://www.exoticindiaart.com/artimages/bd23.jpg
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00:19 <@scort> no]
00:20 < Synx_hm> no?
00:20 <@scort> Synx_hm i see blue navy planes fly over my house every day
00:21 < Synx_hm> what are they?
00:21 < Synx_hm> and where the hell did that come from ;)
00:21 <@scort> idk lil planes
00:21 <@scort> randolph afb is pretty close
00:21 <@scort> to here
00:21 < Synx_hm> ahh rgr
00:22 < Synx_hm> duno what the navy dudes are doing there
00:22 < Synx_hm> they jets?
00:22 < Synx_hm> or prop
00:22 <@scort> prop
00:22 <@scort> sometimes just one, sometimes two in formation
00:22 < Synx_hm> might be trainers from corpus
00:22 < Synx_hm> if i had to guess
00:22 <@scort> i think it's navybut not sure
00:23 <@scort> well it wouldn't be navy then
00:23 <@scort> it would be airfoce
00:23 < Synx_hm> i dont remember a lot of navy dudes flying though while i was at randolph
00:23 <@scort> but it's lil blue prop planes
00:23 < Synx_hm> there were a few navy tainers still that flew in from corpus on occasion
00:24 < Synx_hm> oh duh
00:24 < Synx_hm> its the T6's at randolph
00:24 < Synx_hm> they use em for PIT, pilot instructor upgrade training there
00:24 <@scort> for the past two weeks i see them everyday
00:24 < Synx_hm> and they have T38 jet trainners too
00:24 < Synx_hm> http://www.nbvc.navy.mil/airshow07/static/images/t6_Texan2.jpg
00:25 < Synx_hm> in fact that photo is one from randolph (note the RA on the tail)
00:25 <@scort> ohhh
00:25 < Synx_hm> they are AirForce trainers
00:25 < Synx_hm> that the plane?
00:25 <@scort> well they looked all blue from below
00:25 < Synx_hm> ya
00:25 < Synx_hm> i should have picked that up hehe
00:26 <@scort> im like 5 miles from ra
00:26 < Synx_hm> cool
00:26 < Synx_hm> i lived on base for almost 2 years
00:26 < Synx_hm> i flew on these there... http://www.military.cz/usa/air/in_service/aircraft/t43a/t43a.jpg
00:27 <@scort> lol
00:29 < Synx_hm> this is what i get to fly now :) http://www.af.mil/shared/media/photodb/photos/030326-F-7194F-005.jpg
00:29 < Synx_hm> thats not me though
00:29 < Synx_hm> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Usaf.Boeing_B-52.jpg
00:29 < Synx_hm> woot
00:30 <@scort> oh you fly that?
00:30 < Synx_hm> yup
00:30 < Synx_hm> well i am not the pilot but ya
00:39 < Synx_hm> im going to bed g'night
00:40 < dasunt> http://www.billingsgazette.net/articles/2009/02/05/news/local/60-sexvideo.txt
00:40 < dasunt> That's a little weird.
00:40 < dasunt> 16 is legal for consent to sex.
00:40 < dasunt> But isn't legal to film.
00:41 < Synx_hm> holy shit
00:41 < Synx_hm> thats f'ed up
00:41 < Synx_hm> on that note g'night
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00:42 < dasunt> I love the irony.
00:42 < dasunt> Want to stick anything in any of her orifaces?  That's legal.
00:42 < dasunt> Take a nude picture of her.  That's exploitation of a child.
00:42 <@scort> idc
00:42 <@scort> stfu diaf
00:44 < dasunt> No.
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00:45 <@scort> dude wtf, mirc is lame, it closes the window when you get kicked
00:45 <@scort> so i dont get to see the kick msg
00:46 <@dasunt> What?
00:46  * dasunt kicks mirc.
00:46 <@scort> so all i see is [23:48:56] * Now talking in #se2600
00:54 <@dasunt> My kick message was the epiphany you needed for success in your life.
00:54 <@dasunt> But now the moment has passed.
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01:24 <@dasunt> Anyone know of a cheap enclosure to build a RAID5 cluster of about 6-7 drives?
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01:52 < Goat21_HM> Hello everybody!
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02:48 <@Dagmar> Whoa.  They definitely increased the drop rate on eternal/crystalline stuff during the hotfix on Tuesday.
02:48 <@Dagmar> AH price on my server has dropped 40% at volume.  I bought up about 50-60 of each this morning
02:49 <@Dagmar> dasunt: Umm... I suppose any case that's got 5.25 drive bays all up the front will do.  I'd check Directron (they tend to have clearance stuff) and then NewEgg
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04:00 <@aestetix> hey, who did I talk to at PhreakNIC who knows the IDA Pro guys?
04:56 <@TheLightcosine> okay, i need someone with serious kung fu to answer a question for me
04:57 <@TheLightcosine> so is anyone awake?
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07:07 < iceknife> http://www.stootsi.com/ <--- good deal for guitar hero.
07:08 < iceknife> $19.99 for game plus guitar new in box isn't bad. I haven't jumped on the guitar hero craze yet, I picked it up and added 2 day shipping for 9 dollars.
07:27 <@TheLightcosine> man where's Corydon76-dig when i need him
07:27 <@TheLightcosine> heh
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07:52 <@Dagmar> iceknife: yeah the thing is absolutely worth the $20
08:15 <@brimstone> TheLightcosine: what's your question?
08:18 <@TheLightcosine> if you have a multithreaded application writing data at the packet elvel out to your network interface, does each thread lock/release then the enxt 1 goes, or can multiple threads be outputting to the itnerface at the same time?
08:18 <@TheLightcosine> i.e. can you actually output more data across the wire by using threads or are you really not accomplishing anything but consuming more memory space?
08:19 <@brimstone> more data across then wire then what?
08:20 <@TheLightcosine> than with a single thread
08:21 <@brimstone> i doubt that restriction would exist, but you'd have to ask someone else, as i don't know that level of detail
08:21 <@TheLightcosine> i may not even be thinking about this quite the right way
08:22 <@TheLightcosine> i just realsied that i'm not 100% convicned that using multiple threads writing out to the itnerface is actually giving a performance increase
08:22 <@brimstone> your threads should be able to write to the interface pretty fast
08:22 <@TheLightcosine> I guess the ebst thing to do would be to snapshot a single thread vs. multiple threads and see how many packets each one outputs in say 10 minutes
08:23 <@brimstone> i would hope fast enough your interface speed would be the bottle neck
08:23 <@Dagmar> wtf
08:23 <@Dagmar> are you
08:23 <@Dagmar> smoking
08:23 <@brimstone> yeah, when in doubt try it
08:23 <@TheLightcosine> dag:?
08:23 <@Dagmar> Why would you even think one thread blocks another?
08:23 <@TheLightcosine> no dag
08:24 <@TheLightcosine> blocking the resource
08:24 <@Dagmar> there's no resource to block
08:25 <@Dagmar> If you're doing a blocking write() the call doesn't even come back until the data is gone
08:25 <@Dagmar> If your'e doing a non-blocking write the data is *still* turned over to the OS layer the moment the call is complete
08:25 <@Dagmar> We can mostly assume packets will be geneated based on first-come-first-serve after that
08:26 <@TheLightcosine> so from what you're saying, we could see an icnrease in the speed in which the data is handed to the OS, but after that it's out of our hands
08:26 <@Dagmar> Yeah
08:26 <@TheLightcosine> k
08:27 <@Dagmar> But that's assuming you've got some _benefit_ by threading
08:27 <@Dagmar> What thing did you *unblock* by threading?
08:28 <@Dagmar> Aside from maybe SMP boxes
08:28 <@TheLightcosine> and the answer to that is, not any benefit that couldn't be achieved by other means
08:28 <@Dagmar> The program's still going ot do the same work regardless, so the output should be more or less constant unless threads gets you moar megahurz
08:29 <@TheLightcosine> otherwise it's jsut eating up more memroy space in an uneeded manner
08:29 <@Dagmar> yep
08:29 <@Dagmar> ...and providing you with exciting new ways of corrupting memory.  :)
08:29 <@TheLightcosine> heh
08:31 <@TheLightcosine> eseentialy what i did, was use threading to make up for bad flow control in the first place, and i didn't realsie until now
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08:41 <@Dagmar> Ah
08:42 <@Dagmar> Yeah if you're sending data in sizeable chunks that might take a bit to get rid of and using blocking writes, threading might help smooth that over a bit
08:42 <@Dagmar> ...cuz the others can keep working while the writing ones are blocked
08:45 <@TheLightcosine> yeah but in this case we're talking small requests
08:45 <@TheLightcosine> ~60-80 bytes each
08:45 <@Dagmar> Oh
08:45 <@TheLightcosine> so the only real benefit is in the packet creation time, which could be handled by better flow control and not using threads
08:45 <@Dagmar> I'm thinking about protcol encapsulation issues now
08:46 <@Dagmar> 80 bytes + 40 bytes / 40 bytes
08:47 <@Dagmar> far as I know blocking writes incur hot pipes
08:47 <@Dagmar> You might want to be sure the thing isn't sending out a new packet every time
08:51 <@TheLightcosine> i'm not sure i follow
08:53 <@Dagmar> Are you sending this output over IP?
08:53 <@Dagmar> 40 byte header.
08:53 <@Dagmar> If you're sending packets with 60-80 bytes of stuff in them, then like half what's going over the pipe is just headers.
08:54 <@Dagmar> Very small writes across an encapsulating layer are not your friend.
08:55 <@sdodson> http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x137/zack9912000/Funny cap/2nqsi2x.jpg
08:55 <@Dagmar> lol
08:55 <@Dagmar> Yep, one of these girls has poor microphone technique
08:57 <@TheLightcosine> dagmar: dns query
08:57 < ware> jumbo frames
08:57 <@TheLightcosine> 73 bytes on the wire
08:58 < ware> put it on sum gigabit hbas
08:58 < ware> http://www.equallogic.com/
08:58 <@TheLightcosine> about 20bytes of it is ehaders i believe
08:58 < ware> anyone have experience with equal logic?
08:59 <@Dagmar> Oh.  Well I guess you're boned for that then
09:00 <@TheLightcosine> dagmar: what exactly is the problem?
09:01 <@brimstone> ware: i use equallogic
09:01 <@brimstone> you looking at them for FC or iscsi?
09:02 < ware> iscsi
09:02 < ware> whats fc?
09:02 <@brimstone> fiber channel
09:02 <@brimstone> look at lefthand networks too
09:02 < ware> ah
09:02 < GodFix[HC]> lefthand is pretty good, alot of bang for the buck
09:03 < ware> <- is right handed
09:03 < GodFix[HC]> based on HP servers too
09:03 <@brimstone> lefthand has a good product
09:03 <@brimstone> GodFix[HC]: they can do 3 different servers, hp, dell, and one other
09:03 < GodFix[HC]> IBM
09:03 < GodFix[HC]> the ones I looked at before were HP
09:03 < GodFix[HC]> I think IB< is the 3rd
09:03 < GodFix[HC]> but still, a pretty cool product
09:04 <@brimstone> i'd say lefthand has a better product, but equallogic got bought by dell and gave us a wicked deal
09:05 < ware> ive heard awesome things about equallogic, ima have to do some research on lefthand tho
09:05 < GodFix[HC]> get lefthand to come out, show you their demo and take you to lunch
09:06 < ware> do they give you a good ole lefthand happy ending?
09:06 < GodFix[HC]> they give yo ua free colon exam
09:07 < ware> thats a bummer... (lolpun)
09:08 <@TheLightcosine> so is anyone giving a talk at the 615 meeting tonight?
09:10 < ware> shadowhntr / maverickbna is talking about NoMachine
09:12 <@TheLightcosine> interesting
09:18 <@TheLightcosine> i think giving a talk would be rather fun, maybe i'll do it if i eveer discover something i know more about than someone else ;)
09:20 < GodFix[HC]> you could give a talk about the way your balls interact during masturbation?
09:20 < GodFix[HC]> "the left teste has more bounce on every 3rd fap..."
09:21 <@TheLightcosine> hah
09:23 <@TheLightcosine> very few people would care to hear about that i suspect
09:24 < GodFix[HC]> that wasn't the criteria though. just something you would know more about than someone else
09:24 < GodFix[HC]> or if you really want to give a talk
09:24 < GodFix[HC]> just find an interesting topic and do alot of research on it
09:25 < ware> doesnt have to be anything you know about more than others
09:25 < ware> if you get a discussion going then the goal has been achieved
09:25 < GodFix[HC]> giving a talk doesn't mean being an expert on something, it's just presenting information and experiences
09:25  * ware heads into work
09:25 <@TheLightcosine> yer jsut headinf or work now?
09:26  * GodFix[HC] wonders if Decius has ever had a full body cavity search by customs
09:26 <@Corydon76-dig> TheLightcosine: what does your job entail?
09:27 <@TheLightcosine> Corydon76-dig: resetting people's passwords and clearing people's temp files mostly ;)
09:27 <@Corydon76-dig> Ah
09:27 <@TheLightcosine> lol we do a lot of different stuff actually
09:27 <@Corydon76-dig> Do you use any interesting tools?
09:27 <@TheLightcosine> but the bulk of it is basic tier 1 support
09:28 <@TheLightcosine> nothing i'd call interesting heh, it's a microsoft enterprise shop
09:28 <@Corydon76-dig> Do any scripting of administrative tasks?
09:28 <@TheLightcosine> i do pretty standard stuff, AD,Exchange, RSA SecurID, Lotus Notes, remedy
09:28 <@TheLightcosine> I personally do yes
09:29 <@Corydon76-dig> Well, there's something I'm not well-versed in
09:30 <@Corydon76-dig> I'm sure others aren't well-versed in that, either.  What can you teach us in the course of half an hour of a presentation?
09:31 <@brimstone> at our 2600 meetings, we've just been doing 5 minute talks
09:31 <@brimstone> just enough to get someone interested in what you're doing
09:33 <@TheLightcosine> Corydon76-dig: i dunno, it's mostly just using ADO to do object oriented ldap programming heh
09:33 <@TheLightcosine> maybe throw in  a little Excel parsing
09:33 <@TheLightcosine> for generating reports
09:33 <@TheLightcosine> mostly it's jsut account creates or data mining
09:35 <@Corydon76-dig> TheLightcosine: you're not alone in selling yourself short.  I have a hard time coming up with presentations, too
09:35 <@TheLightcosine> well msotly i pride myself on clever little soloutions to little problems
09:36 <@Corydon76-dig> That's as good as anything else
09:36 <@TheLightcosine> like in the tool i have in the testing phase, it uses severaal sysinternals tools on the backend, but i wanted to keep a simple single binary file, no instaklller packages
09:37 <@TheLightcosine> so i embeeded the EXEs as resources, and then write them out as binary data streams to a temp file, execute them, then cleanup after
09:37 <@TheLightcosine> making it appear that all the code is self contained
09:37 <@TheLightcosine> it's hardly a big deal, but i was rather proud of the idea
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09:38 <@Corydon76-dig> Talk about the process
09:42 <@TheLightcosine> i look at it like this, hacking ais a bit like magic/illusion
09:42 <@TheLightcosine> there are you David copperfields, Harry houdinis etc, and then there are your street magicians
09:42 <@TheLightcosine> i'm a street magician, pulling quarters out of kids' ears =P
09:56 <@Dagmar> No.
09:56 <@Dagmar> David Copperfield can get laid for what he does.
09:57 <@Dagmar> Hackers just get fucked up the ass for it.
09:57 <@TheLightcosine> i'm sure someone somewhere has gotten laid for having skillz
09:58 <@TheLightcosine> maybe not with angelina jolie like hollywood would have ya beleive
09:58 < GodFix[HC]> yeah, by sororoity cheerleader sluts
09:58 <@rhia> TheLightcosine: social engineering skillz, yeah
09:58 <@TheLightcosine> GodFix[HC]: well breathing gets you laid by those
09:58 < GodFix[HC]> hacking the campus systems to give them A's in classes they really failed
09:59 < GodFix[HC]> I was really bad in college. I got some from this german chick that thought I was gonna do that for her
09:59 <@Corydon76-dig> Dagmar: well, some hackers enjoy that part
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10:03 <@nachoguy> mr0nin
10:04 <@oddball> Corydon76-dig, hey, I met Nai at a SciFi con playing an RPG that wan't a vampire LARP...
10:04 <@Dagmar> Found Neoteric's new car: http://www.motifake.com/pherazen-pherazen-demotivational-poster-43092.html
10:04 <@Shadow404> lawl
10:05 <@Corydon76-dig> oddball: eh?
10:05 <@Corydon76-dig> oddball: I think you meant to address that to Dagmar
10:05 <@oddball> The getting laid because of skills.  If picking up a girl while GM'ing an RPG at a SciFi con can happen...
10:07 <@oddball> ah, right... just scanning the channel and read that wrong.
10:07 <@rhia> http://pastebin.ca/1328376
10:08 <@Corydon76-dig> http://www.motifake.com/its-spelled-nazi-grammar-nazi-demotivational-poster-3134.html
10:11 <@TheLightcosine> gah major virus ifnection event
10:11 <@TheLightcosine> i can't upload the infected file to virus total, can't even md5sum the damn thing
10:11 <@TheLightcosine> gunna have it leave it in security's hands
10:16 <@TheLightcosine> http://www.motifake.com/pherazen-pherazen-demotivational-poster-43092.html
10:16 <@TheLightcosine> arrg
10:16 <@TheLightcosine> every bloody time
10:16 <@TheLightcosine> when am i gunna rememebr putty is not an xterm
10:17 < GodFix[HC]> the day after tomorrow?
10:20 <@Dagmar> http://www.motifake.com/pherazen-pherazen-demotivational-poster-43092.html
10:21 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
10:23 <@nachoguy> mr0ning pimp daddy dole
10:23 <@TheLightcosine> http://www.motifake.com/i-am-pretty-sure-demotivational-poster-13026.html
10:23 <@TheLightcosine> creeepy
10:41 <@nachoguy> ok, can someone explain what deduplication is (in relative english)?
10:41 <@Dolemite> find files that are the same across multiple save sets and de-duplicate them
10:41 <@nachoguy> ah
10:41 < ware> WUTUP
10:41 <@Dolemite> If you back up 10 Windows Server 2003 boxes, why save the OS every time?
10:42 <@nachoguy> which would explain why it's supposed to be super awesome double plus good for database backups
10:42 <@nachoguy> though apparently very few people are doing it decently
10:42 <@Dolemite> it's a major resource hog
10:42 <@Dolemite> we tried a setup from NEC and then sent it back because it couldn't perform well enough
10:43 <@Corydon76-dig> nachoguy: couldn't you just do a delta1 backup?
10:43 <@Dolemite> now we're using a VTL from EMC
10:43 <@nachoguy> Corydon, I'm just reading the register, and have come across like 3 different article about companies climing that they do it now
10:44 < ware> Dolemite: what kinda SAN technologies you use / recommend?
10:44 <@nachoguy> IBM + Tivoli just released it.  Some startup firm is claiming that they can do it for non enterprise shops
10:44 <@Corydon76-dig> As long as you keep your delta0, delta1 is a perfectly reasonable way to do a backup
10:45 <@nachoguy> ware, if it's piddly small shit, equalogic isn't bad, and it's pretty cheap.  If you're going big and badass, everyone seems to do EMC
10:46 <@Dolemite> We use Cisco 9509 directors and EMC Clariion storage with Celerra NAS heads and a Quantum Scalar i2000 tape robot.
10:46 <@nachoguy> Corydon, true, but if you want to generate a new delta0 (that is a new snapshot), perhaps you can do so by combining delta 0 +delta 1-9 to get it
10:47 <@Dolemite> delta backups are great for a single system.  deduplication looks across your entire backup environment.
10:48 < ware> well what i wanna do is snapshot servers (~10 application atm, not worried about citrix servers) periodically throughout the day
10:48 < ware> as well as host a few sql db's
10:48 < ware> im thinking it will need to be at least 20tb to be able to hold a couple days history
10:49 < GodFix[HC]> ware, 20TB usable or RAW?
10:50 < ware> thats just for the snapshots + live sql db's / backups
10:50 < ware> snapshot every 2hrs for 10 servers and history for 2-4 days
10:51 < GodFix[HC]> 20TB RAW is gonna be a pretty chunk of change
10:51 <@brimstone> ware: i wanna say that equallogic and lefthand don't do full snapshots
10:51 <@nachoguy> ware, look into equalogic
10:51 <@brimstone> just incremental
10:51 < GodFix[HC]> 4TB RAW on an EMC was $88K
10:51 <@nachoguy> oh, Brim, they don't?
10:52 < ware> nachoguy: i posted equallogic earlier this morning
10:52 <@nachoguy> I could have sworn that that's how we use them, but I'm not the san guy
10:52 <@brimstone> i'm only 50% sure on this though
10:52 < ware> EQ does
10:52 < ware> thats why i like it so
10:52 <@brimstone> you can get to all of the data, but they don't store duplicate data
10:52 <@nachoguy> and if you can get buy with sata instead of SAS, 20 TB shouldn't be that pricy
10:53 <@brimstone> with 8 SATA drives, we were pushing 1gbps to it no problem
10:53 <@brimstone> our EQ san that is
10:53 <@brimstone> ware: totally talk to the EQ and LN reps though
10:54 <@nachoguy> LN?
10:54 < ware> lefthand networks
10:54 < ware> yay freerainbowtables.com is back up
11:05 <@TheLightcosine> grrr
11:05 <@TheLightcosine> this guy sent in a request for a DSN to be created
11:05 <@TheLightcosine> so i coordinated with the dbs team and got things moving
11:05 <@TheLightcosine> and he comes back "oh I meant DNS"
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11:16 < polerin> blewh.
11:17 <@TheLightcosine> ?
11:19 <@TheLightcosine> http://www.amazon.com/Hacking-Art-Exploitation-Jon-Erickson/dp/1593270070 <- just saw this book at barnes and noble and was surprised by some of the actually good content in there
11:24 < ware> lol dsn
11:32 <@TheLightcosine> wow
11:32 <@TheLightcosine> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pollard's_lambda_algorithm
11:32 <@TheLightcosine> i have n idea what that entire first paragraph means lol
11:34 < ware> starting at "The algorithm" hopefully
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11:34 <@TheLightcosine> starting at "discrete" =P
11:35 < polerin> I understand like 30% of that :D
11:36 < ware> math just makes my head hurt
11:36 <@TheLightcosine> heh
11:36 < polerin> though I suppose it'd help if I went and looked at the discrete logarithm problem
11:36 <@TheLightcosine> you ever read the original rfc for CIDR?
11:36 <@TheLightcosine> talk about makin your ehad hurt
11:36 < polerin> I happened to do some set theory recently for looking at algorithm evaluation :)
11:36 < polerin> or rather, start learning some
11:37 < polerin> and it was good
11:37 < polerin> :D
11:37 <@TheLightcosine> polerin, yer starting to sounds like the dude from xkcd heh
11:37 < polerin> lol
11:37 < polerin> I'm not that bad, I'm just a geek of all trades :)
11:37 <@TheLightcosine> it pisses me fof that guy is younger than me and has already helped make robots for nasa
11:37 < polerin> I love learning what I can about everything
11:37 <@TheLightcosine> i have seriously done a shitty job with my lfie so far
11:38 < polerin> Eh
11:39 <@M0j0-j0j0> TheLightcosine: because you should be better than everybody else at everything
11:39 < polerin> I'm not big on the "what you accomplish" method of life evaluation.  I would rather be remembered for how I treat people and I'd rather enjoy my life.
11:39 < polerin> M0j0-j0j0: yeah that is a hard complex to get over
11:39 <@M0j0-j0j0> polerin: word
11:39 <@TheLightcosine> M0j0-j0j0: no, because i should be better at something than somebody =P
11:40 < polerin> TheLightcosine: why?
11:40 <@TheLightcosine> um, well screw you, because i said so =P
11:40 <@M0j0-j0j0> TheLightcosine: I bet that nasa boy doesn't have as long of an irc nick as you
11:40 < polerin> just be good at something.  There will almost always be someone who's better than you at anything, and so being the best is a fools persuit.  If you happen to become the best than that's ok, but just work on being as good as you can be.
11:40 < polerin> lol
11:40 <@TheLightcosine> seriously my whole life growing up people told me "you're so smart, oh you're so smart" but i alway knew like 5 people smarter, or better
11:41 < polerin> yeah and?
11:41 < polerin> I'd say that's pretty common
11:41 <@TheLightcosine> i guess i always feel like i'm somehow lying to people by eltting them think i am "so smart"
11:41 < polerin> I think that Corydon76-dig is smarter than I am in specific areas, but that doesn't mean he is better than I am in general.  :P
11:41 <@I-MOD> TheLightcosine, ditto
11:42 < polerin> bah, that's why I acted a fool for so long
11:42 <@M0j0-j0j0> my mom is an aerospace engineer (a rocket scientist) and her sister is a nuclear physicist.. I had no chance of every been impressively smart
11:42 <@TheLightcosine> i beleive it's actually a named personality complex
11:42 < polerin> because I didn't want to disappoint people.  Now, if I want to say something I do.  If I want to learn or do something I do.  I don't care if I'm smarter or more learned than someone..  If I'm not .. GREAT it means I have someone I can learn from.
11:43 <@I-MOD> inferiority complex?
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11:44 <@polerin> hell, I'd learn something from ware if the situation arose in which to do so :P
11:44 <@TheLightcosine> no it's called like fraud compelx or something like that
11:44 <@TheLightcosine> the "deep-seated feare that epople will discover you are not as smart, or funny, or good at something as you appear to be"
11:44 <@polerin> hehe
11:44 <@TheLightcosine> essentially no matter how good you are at something you deep down think it's a lie and that everyone will find out
11:45 <@polerin> yeah
11:45 <@I-MOD> i don't take it that far
11:45 <@TheLightcosine> i'm not an extreme case
11:45 <@polerin> I was that way till I saw everyone's faces at phreaknic when I was talking about cable
11:45 <@TheLightcosine> but i've always had problems with that
11:45 <@polerin> just the basic stuff I covered :P
11:45 <@I-MOD> i just don't think i'm as good at things as others seem to
11:45 <@I-MOD> (think i am)
11:46 <@polerin> I was like . err...  wait.  I've got a room full of people actually listening to me ramble on, and they are actually interested.  wtf.
11:46 <@TheLightcosine> polerin: heh
11:46 <@TheLightcosine> i used to get that when I worked for Embarq
11:46 <@TheLightcosine> but i always chocked it up to the fact that i worked with epople who really didn't know very much
11:47 <@TheLightcosine> it msut be rpetty gratifying in a group of really intelligent people who ARE experts at things
11:49 <@polerin> sorta.  More than that it made me realize that everyone was like I was, and was there to learn a little bit of the very complex puzzle that is tech and how things fit togeather.  While I may not know a whole bunch about most of it, I knew enough about my one section that I could give someone something
11:50 <@nachoguy> I enjoyed the cable talk
11:50 <@TheLightcosine> I dunno, I have this unrelenting urge to jsut be better tho, so i try to learn all sorts of different thingsm, figure out how to put skills togetehr to do interesting things
11:50 <@TheLightcosine> it's got it's psoitive sides
11:51 <@TheLightcosine> just combined with moderate OCPD and SAD i can be a bit of a nut ;)
11:51 <@polerin> nachoguy: heh, I'm supprised I was even halfway coherent
11:52 <@polerin> do you remember how absolutly bonkers I was that phreaknic? :P
11:52 <@Dolemite> You were pretty bonkers, running around like a head with your chicken cut off
11:53 <@polerin> the stupid elevators were killing me.  It took 5 minutes to get upstairs to handle something with AV, and then gaming exploded and took another 10 to get back down to them :P
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11:54 <@nachoguy> hey goat
11:54 < Goat21_HM> Heya
11:54 <@Dolemite> speaking of AV, I wonder when the talks from last year's OZ and PN will ever be shared with the public?
11:54 <@nachoguy> polerin, I recall.  I rememberrunning at TV upstairs for you at some point
11:55 <@nachoguy> I was told that none of the PN videos were watchable  some sort of audio interferance
11:55 <@TheLightcosine> Impostor Syndrome that is what it was a called
11:55 <@nachoguy> TLC, say what?
11:56 <@Dolemite> nachoguy : Well that's the case with the feeds to the DVR's but supposedly the DVD recordings at the AV table were ok
11:56 <@TheLightcosine> what i was syaing ebfore, it's a documented condition, it's called The Impostor Syndrome
11:57 <@Dolemite> I guess I will have to bring my digicam for recording what I want next time
11:57 <@nachoguy> tlc, OCPD + SAD = IS ?
11:57 <@TheLightcosine> dole: you coming tonight?
11:57 <@TheLightcosine> nacho: no no, about not being able to accept your own success
11:57 <@nachoguy> Dolemite, ah, I've been wanting to re-watch your booze presentation.  I had to erm, escort someone out of the talk before he got too loud
11:58 <@nachoguy> I like the fact that I just made a complete sentence using only acronyms =>
11:58 <@TheLightcosine> OCPD is obsessive compulsive personality disorder, and sad is social anxiety disorder
11:58 <@nachoguy> I know, the IS is what I wasn't familiar with
11:58 <@TheLightcosine> gah my connection is laggin out bad
11:58 <@TheLightcosine> bbbl
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12:05 <@Dolemite> nachoguy : Yeah, I'd love to see several talks from this past year
12:06 <@someninjamaster> the phreaknic videos are still being encoded
12:06 <@someninjamaster> they should be done very soon
12:07 <@Dolemite> What are you using, a Color Computer 2?
12:07 <@Dolemite> VIC-20?
12:08 <@someninjamaster> skydog was having issues freeing up enough space for the videos to be editied
12:08 <@someninjamaster> they file sizes were huge
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12:10 <@M0j0-j0j0> yeah, but you can get a 1T drive for like $100
12:11 <@someninjamaster> indeed you can
12:12 < ware> lolvideos
12:12 <@M0j0-j0j0> soedivlol
12:12 <@someninjamaster> sup ware
12:12  * ware got the ntlm pwd in ~10 minutes
12:12 < ware> playin with indexed rainbow tables
12:12 <@Dolemite> lunch time!
12:12 <@polerin> I need some breakfast
12:13 < ware> i got a multi-threaded client to utilize the tables, sped up quite a bit
12:13 <@M0j0-j0j0> ware isn't gay... he just likes rainbow tables
12:13 < ware> :P
12:13 < ware> we could call them hash tables
12:13 < ware> because well.. who doesnt like hash
12:13  * Shadow404 gets high on hash tables
12:13 <@Shadow404> hash tables would be a fire hazard
12:14 <@Shadow404> oh noes, its a fire, but man, who cares, lets just stare at the pretty flames
12:14 <@polerin> here you go ware :P  http://www.zazzle.com/im_not_gay_i_just_like_rainbows_t_shirt-235723668545185722
12:14 < ware> polerin: haha
12:14 < ware> so i have this 'thing' for shirt.woot
12:14 <@Shadow404> im sure skydog could screen print tables below rainbow
12:14 < ware> and i actually bought a tee that has a giant rainbow on it
12:15 < ware> cause in my drunken stuper i was like "oh shit that shirt is sweet! it has a pirate stealing the gold at the end of a rainbow"
12:15 < ware> then i got it and realized wtf this shirt has gay all over it
12:15 <@Shadow404> so you wore it out to a country bar?
12:15 <@Shadow404> right?
12:15 <@Corydon76-dig> ware: describes you perfectly
12:15 <@polerin> lol
12:15 <@M0j0-j0j0> so... you going to warez it to carolinacon?
12:15 <@Corydon76-dig> ware: gay, when you're drunk
12:15 <@polerin> totaly should have worn that to a kicker bar
12:16 < ware> http://enstxzrnsprxt.6hops.net/Luck_of_the_ArrrishkmsDetail.jpg
12:16 < ware> rofl
12:16 <@M0j0-j0j0> it can't be as gay as the shirt that's up on shirt.woot.com today
12:17 < ware> http://shirt.woot.com/Derby/Entry.aspx?id=27428
12:17 < ware> ill probably get that
12:18 <@someninjamaster> that one is sweet
12:18 <@M0j0-j0j0> yeah
12:18 <@M0j0-j0j0> I can see me getting that one
12:18 < ware> http://s3.amazonaws.com/wootsaleimages/Defrost8tfDetail.png
12:18 < ware> got that one in the other day
12:18 <@M0j0-j0j0> maybe not.. I have too many shirts from that site
12:19 <@someninjamaster> this one is awesome Algood TN
12:19 <@someninjamaster> doh
12:19 <@someninjamaster> http://shirt.woot.com/Derby/Entry.aspx?id=27430
12:23 < ware> i think we've worn shirts that the other has bought before
12:23 < ware> i remember you had one on once and i commented that i also had it
12:24 <@M0j0-j0j0> favorite shirt: http://shirt.woot.com/Forums/ViewPost.aspx?PostID=2382610
12:24 < ware> http://foofus.net/fizzgig/fgdump/
12:24 < ware> somebody gimmie some LM hashes to crank through
12:24 < ware> i want to test this some more
12:25 < ware> M0j0-j0j0: i have that one :P
12:26 <@M0j0-j0j0> well folks.. I have to run down to the gallery and try to finish fixing everything that that broken pipe messed up before we open tonight
12:27 < ware> art show?
12:28 <@rhia> he owns a gallery
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12:29 <@M0j0-j0j0> I got caught up in an ebay "I'm going to win this even though it's nothing I really want" moment
12:29 <@M0j0-j0j0> but I'm now transitioning it to someone who does want it
12:31 < ware> you own a gallery?
12:31 < ware> i thought you did IT
12:31 < ware> or is that jsut something youve been doing on the side
12:34 <@M0j0-j0j0> the gallery was a dream/life goal of a friend on mine.. so I spent a year working for this guy for free.. then one day he's like "i don't want this anymore" and someone else piped up with a "if you don't want the business I'll buy it off you" and I got all stupid and was like "aww hell to the no.. I've worked for you for free for a couple of years... if you're selling it to anyone it's going to be me"
12:34 <@M0j0-j0j0> but I don't really want an art gallery
12:35 < ware> seems like you could pick up some trendy chicks
12:35 < ware> 'yeah, i own the gallery'
12:35 < ware> have some cheese/wine nights
12:35 < ware> a little poetry reading, etc
12:35 <@M0j0-j0j0> ware: dood.. the girls that come out to art openings are smokin hot
12:35 < ware> you'll have all the elder-emhos droolin for you nuts
12:35 < ware> i know!
12:36 < ware> well, i know what the media tells me, and that is art gallerys == chick magnets
12:37 <@M0j0-j0j0> add to that that we have a DJ and some multimedia shit.. and it's sorta like a night club that gives away wine and has some art in it, but is only open once a month
12:37 < GodFix[HC]> where is this gallery?
12:37 <@M0j0-j0j0> down town raleigh
12:37 <@M0j0-j0j0> 14B Glenwood Ave.
12:38 < GodFix[HC]> need to make a trip there next time I'm in NC
12:38 <@M0j0-j0j0> I hope the place doesn't smell
12:38 <@M0j0-j0j0> we did everything we could think of to fix that problem but I don't know if it is going to work or not
12:39 <@M0j0-j0j0> because a night club/gallery that smells like poo-poo is not hot
12:39 < ware> http://maps.google.com/maps?q=14+Glenwood+Ave,+Raleigh,+Wake,+North+Carolina+27603&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&ie=UTF8&hl=en&cd=1&geocode=FVr7IQIdLe9P-w&split=0&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=23.875,57.630033&ll=35.781431,-78.647529&spn=0.006806,0.009613&z=17&iwloc=addr&layer=c&cbll=35.781387,-78.647531&panoid=RDqfU8BCwKcQe8OrXMaJHw&cbp=12,107.08434222672366,,0,5
12:39 <@M0j0-j0j0> did I mention that it was an outgoing pipe that broke
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13:22 < ware> :P
13:22 <@aestetix> I'm not a fucking hippie.
13:23 < ware> no shmoo4u?
13:23 <@aestetix> Can't make it.
13:23 <@aestetix> Timing is horrible.
13:23 <@aestetix> If it were next weekend, I might be able to swing it.
13:40 <@rattle> Oh shit..  ShmooCon is this weekend.
13:40 <@rattle> I completely forgot about it.
13:40 <@rattle> I guess I'll show up Saturday.
13:40 <@rattle> Who is going this year?
13:51 < ware> sky / lm / dc0de, few hc'rs
13:53 < ware> damn 61F outside, freakin awesome!
13:54 < critch> yep, already been out riding, both my bike and the GF's bike
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14:01 <@aestetix> rattle: I'm in SF. Kinda hard to make it :)
14:01 <@Catonic> that sucks. I'm at home sick with a cold. And it's 58 degrees in the Magic City
14:02 <@aestetix> Catonic: is that what you call your bedroom now?
14:03 <@Catonic> Kinda
14:04 < ware> haha
14:05 <@Catonic> it's probably the clown suit I keep under the bed.
14:07 <@aestetix> Then your mom accidentally opens the door, and you blush and quickly hide the clown suit?
14:07 <@Catonic> yo dog, I put a meme in your meme so you can meme while you stream that meme
14:08 <@aestetix> Don't cross the memes.
14:09 <@scort> lolol
14:09 <@scort> cat^%
14:09 <@scort> cat^5
14:10 <@aestetix> You know, it's funny when I look in my gmail spam folder and see stuff like "Tonight! Unicorn party!"
14:11 <@TheLightCosine> unicorn party?
14:12 <@TheLightCosine> must be a cid thing
14:12 <@Shadow404> the first email in my gmail spam foldeer is: Lost hope for better seM<u@al life
14:13 <@Shadow404> The gizmatic goblins are back to work is the next one
14:13 <@TheLightCosine> heh
14:16 <@Catonic> http://www.kd6nig.net/ms/decisions.jpg
14:18 <@Catonic> wow.. I just figured out how to talk like xzibit
14:18 <@Catonic> im gonna start leaving voicemails about putting planes on planes so you can fly while you fly
14:19 <@Catonic> dammit, I lost it
14:25 < ware> A SQL query walks into a bar and sees two tables. He walks up to them and says 'Can I join you?'.
14:26 <@Catonic> wow, that meme traveled fast
14:29 <@I-MOD> memes travel at the speed of dark
14:30 <@Shadow404> i meme'd your mom and then posted on your blog that no one reads about it
14:31 <@brimstone> Shadow404: forming better sentences would make your humor better by orders of magnitude
14:32 < critch> I meme'd your mom and posted about it on your blog that no one reads. That one is easier to parse.
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14:33 < Synx_> Why is winona ryder so hot?
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14:33 <@brimstone> because you have a poor definition of what's "attractive"
14:33 < Synx_> :(
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14:34 < Synx_hm> i will cut you
14:34 <@Dolemite> Synx_hm : Because she's a naughty, naughty girl.
14:34 <@Shadow404> and needs to be spanked
14:34 <@Catonic> I god, what have I started
14:34 < Synx_hm> yes and yes
14:34 <@Catonic> *oh
14:37 < Synx_hm> so ive got a buddy who wants to sell me his 05 R6 with 2500 miles on it in near perfect condition with two helmets and  a very nice jacket
14:37  * Shadow404 chants repeatedly, "must not be tempted to shoot team lead with nerf dart"
14:37 < Synx_hm> for $4500 (basically juts pay off his loan)
14:38 <@Catonic> buy!
14:39 < critch> Synx_hm: is your buddy the kind who raggs his shit out?
14:39 < ware> Synx_hm: im in the market but my truck just shit out
14:39 < ware> so i bought a saab
14:39 < ware> and i wanted to get an 08
14:39 < Synx_hm> i am sure hes ridden it hard a few times however its only got 2500 miles on it a hes a good guy i trust him
14:40 < Synx_hm> ware, what kind of saab?
14:40 < ware> 2000 95
14:40 < ware> 9-5
14:40 < Synx_hm> cool
14:40 < critch> Synx_hm: It only takes a quarter mile or less right up on the rev limiter to destroy an engine.
14:40 < Synx_hm> critch, very true statement but its not like he ran it without oil, ill test ride it before i buy it but like i said hes not going to screw me :)
14:41 <@Catonic> critch: for a bike?
14:41 < Synx_hm> he said he doesn't ride it enough and is thinking about something bigger
14:41 < ware> i like the 07+ model
14:41 < critch> Catonic: any engine will get damaged when bouncing off the rev limiter
14:41 < Synx_hm> btw, the only bike i have ever ridden before (becides pedel of which i do alot) is a 250cc bike in the MSF course
14:41 < Synx_hm> critch, not true
14:42 < Synx_hm> critch, the rev limiter is there for that very reasion, lots of guys run lunch control on cars and the like where they sit there and bouce off the limiter for quite a while
14:42 < Synx_hm> its simply a fuel cut protection
14:42 < critch> right, but that is also set much lower than the normal rev limiter
14:42 < Synx_hm> i do agree however that prolonged fuel cut bouncing is not great for an engine
14:43 < Synx_hm> critch, true
14:43 <@Catonic> critch: if your rev-limit is enforced by the computer in such a way that it's impossible to exceed $redline, I would beg to differ.
14:43 < critch> You end up running a rich then lean cycling
14:43 < Synx_hm> its not lean if its not getting spark :)
14:43 < critch> Catonic: it isn't the redline that is the problem, it is the way in which rev limiters are implemented, It cuts fuel and then it is lean.
14:43 <@Catonic> or put another way, I've never heard my caprice hit the rev-limiter when taking off under WOT.
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14:44 < Synx_hm> and while exessive rich conditions can cause det its unlikely it would have been tuned that way from the factory
14:44 < critch> Catonic: your running an automatic, you should never hit the rev limiter.
14:44 <@Catonic> I think gm just calls that a shift point =)
14:45 < Synx_hm> critch, i see what your saying though, if there are left over compustable byproducts from the bounce and spark is not inhibited you could cause very lean conditions which could heat up the cyl enough to cause det or even pre ignition on the next cycle all very bad stuff
14:45 < critch> Synx_hm: indy cars have(at least did) spark cut for rev limiters, if they bounce off the limiter too much, it would destroy the heads.
14:46 <@Catonic> spark cut doesn't save you from detonation
14:46 <@Catonic> then again, if you're racing, you don't have carbon on the valves
14:46 < Synx_hm> in a situation like this it should
14:46 < Synx_hm> it will not save you from preignition though, det and preignition are two seperate things
14:47 < Synx_hm> speaking of carbon coated valves anyone use seafoam here, i love that stuff! need to do it again soon to the WRX
14:47 < critch> I was told it is good stuff by some people for motorcycles
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14:48 < Synx_hm> ya its good ish
14:48 <@Catonic> Synx_hm: some of the caprice guys swear by it, but I'm squemish about putting things into the engine that it wasn't designed for
14:49 < Synx_hm> although my roomie who is kinda of an idiot sometimes put a tiny splash in his fuel tank and swears up and down his bike made 20 more ft/lbs..... BAHAHAHHAHAA he has no idea what the stuff does
14:49 <@Catonic> I'd love to see a tear down of an engine before and after seafoam
14:49 < Synx_hm> ya
14:49 < Synx_hm> Catonic, ive had it cure some det problems when i was running my car in cali on 91oct
14:50 < Synx_hm> but i have a feeling it just helped clean out the intake tract from all the oil blowby by turbo is spewing past the seals
14:50 <@Catonic> Might be worth looking into
14:50 < Synx_hm> ive got 4 bottles sitting in my garage right now because i always forget i have some at home and end up buying more
14:51 <@Catonic> I was still amused as fuck when I fired up the caprice on a sub-freezing night after changing a bad sensor and left two sets of black marks on the road in front of the house
14:51 <@Catonic> never had the car break in second before.
14:51 < Synx_hm> hehe
14:51 < Synx_hm> on and the smoke out the neighboorhood from seafoam is fun too
14:51 <@Catonic> I just get off on revving the engine... cause it's got positraction and no cats...
14:52 < GodFix[HC]> dc0de: ping, p0ng?
14:52 <@Catonic> late model car that sounds like a hot-rod with the factory exhaust =)
14:52 < Synx_hm> cool :)
14:52 <@Catonic> I've never fired it off in front of the sherriff's substation, but I'm sure they'd appreciate it.
14:53 < Synx_hm> got any pictures of it?
14:53 <@Catonic> I've never had a cop ask me what the hell I was doing behind the wheel of a car, but if they do, I'll be happy to tell them that the car is out of control when it's on the sidewalk. As long as two wheels are on pavement, I'm in control.
14:54 <@Catonic> that night I left the camera at home
14:54 <@Catonic> I didn't figure out until the next morning that the second set of black marks were mine as well
14:54 <@Catonic> all I remembered was the RPMs when vertical when I hit 35mph
14:54 < Synx_hm> hehe
14:55 <@Catonic> and there was no ice.
14:55 <@Catonic> power-on oversteer is incredibly redneck, but very satisfying.
14:55 < Synx_hm> i am tring to get this fucking aspire one netbook setup so i can using it in tuning instaed of my huge old 16in laptop
14:55 < Synx_hm> indeed, sometimes i wish my car was RWD instead of AWD
14:56 <@Catonic> I need to get up to speed on Honda tuning as soon as I get some maintenace done and replace my motor mounts and trans
14:56 < Synx_hm> AWD had a tendancy to understeer unless you man handle it just right
14:56 <@Catonic> yeah, but the WRX has the go-fast.
14:56 < Synx_hm> Catonic, there is a great book you should read if you are interested in doing your own ECU reflashing... let me find mine
14:56 <@Catonic> had a buddy who had one... stupidly fast car.
14:57 < Synx_hm> hehe ive got an ungodly amount of money dumped into mine :(
14:57 < Synx_hm> still not as fast as id like it but the suspension stuff ive done rocks and the turbo spool is crazy fast
14:58 < Synx_hm> but i am getting ready for a 2.2 semiclosed deck big turbo setup when the block gives up on me
14:58 < Synx_hm> if that happens, its still running strong though at 80K
14:58 < Synx_hm> just did a compression check a few weeks back
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14:59 < Synx_hm> http://www.amazon.com/Modify-Management-Systems-Motorbooks-Workshop/dp/0760315825/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1233950606&sr=8-1
14:59 < Synx_hm> great book
14:59 <@Catonic> I need a more powerful car like I need a hole in the head
14:59 <@Catonic> can you minilink that?
14:59 < Synx_hm> i even picked up my copy at a local B&B sotore
14:59 < Synx_hm> ya hang on a sec
14:59 <@Catonic> I've got two pending court actions as it is
15:00 < Synx_hm> http://tinyurl.com/cb7pr2
15:00 <@Catonic> I tell you, this town does not want you to fight a ticket...
15:00 < Synx_hm> hehe
15:00 < Synx_hm> oddly enough the older i get and the faster my car gets the slower i go
15:00 <@Catonic> cop cited me for 35 in a 35 which is really a 30 and for violation of reasonable and prudent
15:00 < Synx_hm> sucks
15:00 <@Catonic> yeah, and I wasn't even trying to bust it through the light for a speed record
15:01 <@Catonic> I keep forgetting that FWD cars mean you get on the gas, instead of stay out of it
15:01 <@Catonic> I'm happy though, I found one limit of the car. About 60 on a offramp marked 30.
15:02 < Synx_hm> hehe
15:02 < Synx_hm> i need to get something to tow the WRX to dallas for trackdays
15:02 < Synx_hm> its at the point i am sure ill start breaking shit soon and its my only car atm
15:02 <@Catonic> much easier to bring it back when it's broken.
15:03 < Synx_hm> yes
15:03 < Synx_hm> and much easier to get back and not have to report into the commander why i wasn't at work hehe
15:04 < ware> where are you stationed at now?
15:04 <@Catonic> speaking of which, how does sick call work?
15:05 < ware> my brother is at Ft. Bliss in El Paso
15:05 < Synx_hm> Barksdale AFB, shreveport lousiaiana
15:05 < ware> ahh
15:05 <@Catonic> I know there's physical limits of the body..
15:05 <@Catonic> and you can be physically active even when you're tired, hungry, etc...
15:06 < Synx_hm> Catonic, sick call, for flyers i just show up any day of the week at the clinic and tell them i am sick, get checked out by a flight doc and either put on DNIF (duties not to include flying) or put back on flying status
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15:06 <@Catonic> but at what point does the army say "you're too sick to run 5 miles."
15:06 < Synx_hm> hehe i am in the AF i dont run
15:06 <@Corydon76-dig> when you puke on the commander's boots
15:06 <@Catonic> well, whatever.
15:07 <@Corydon76-dig> If you're too sick to run, you move your ass to the infirmary
15:07 < GodFix[HC]> Corydon76-dig: puking on the NCO or CO's boots is a sign that you had a GOOD run. LAWL
15:07 < Synx_hm> really though for PT stuff as an officer they believe me enough to tell them when i am too sick to do PT or to be at work or what ever, but for flying i still have to see a flight doc, although i can DNIF myself i still have to goto the doc to get back on flying status
15:07 <@Catonic> I've learned this much... if I'm too sick to get out of bed, I'm not even rationally thinking anyway.
15:07 <@Corydon76-dig> If you're THAT sick, you should be out of the way and not infecting the rest of your unit
15:08 <@Catonic> mycoplasma
15:08 <@Catonic> is a wonderful thing
15:08 < Synx_hm> Corydon76-dig, sometimes thats part of the fun though eh ;)
15:09 <@Catonic> Synx_hm: in a small IT shop, it's a great way to completely fuck your boss and your bosses boss with one cough.
15:09 < Synx_hm> hehe
15:09 <@Corydon76-dig> You have a duty to keep your unit out of harm's way.  That includes infections.
15:09 < Synx_hm> i was jokeing ;)
15:09 < Synx_hm> maybe
15:09 <@Catonic> Corydon76-dig: I don't think you can keep most GIs from getting the clap.
15:09 <@Corydon76-dig> Catonic: that's what condoms are for
15:09 <@Catonic> "Stay back, she's a dirty filthy hooker!" "I'll take my chances."
15:10 < Synx_hm> damn it i need a windows 7 key and i dont wana register at MS for it
15:10 <@Catonic> Synx_hm: can you even get condoms in some countries? Like a predominantly muslim or catholic country?
15:10 < Synx_hm> Catonic, duno ive only deployed to Guam thus far
15:11 <@Corydon76-dig> Catonic: condoms are provided by the quartermaster, not purchased locally
15:11 < Synx_hm> Catonic, technically though General Oder 1 (1 i think it is) actually forbids you from sex, drinking and some other activities while forward deployed in a combat area
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15:11 < Synx_hm> s/Oder/Order
15:12 <@Catonic> they do have female barracks now
15:13 <@Catonic> http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l48/ICEMAN_357X/helihair.jpg
15:13 <@Catonic> http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p221/wb0qqk/Belize00117Medium.jpg <- for Dolemite and Shadow404
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15:16 < ware> hehe nice
15:18 < Synx_hm> damn it i need to find my RF laptop mouse its awsome and i cannot find it AHHH
15:18 <@Catonic> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benzonatate <- scary
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15:18 <@Catonic> so ware, how have you been?
15:21 < ware> soso besides all this car trouble
15:21 < ware> truck dropped a valve into a piston last weekend, so i bought the saab from my dad
15:21 < ware> then it ran for 3-4 days and blew a radiator hose
15:22 < ware> got hot and blew the head gasket
15:22 < ware> so we're replacing that tomorrow
15:22 < ware> hopefully that will fix it, if not we dun sunk some money
15:22 <@Catonic> I know too much about cars.
15:23 <@Catonic> But you learned. I just drove marginal cars for five years.
15:23 < ware> the coolant hose blew up, and it looked like it was caused from back pressure
15:23 < ware> so im thinking the gasket may have already been leaking back into the coolant system
15:24 < ware> ive been driving 'junkers' for a long time
15:24 < ware> my mazda was a little step up from that, but the saab is a huge leap
15:24 <@Catonic> was the coolant gray?
15:24 < ware> just hope it works out
15:24 < Synx_hm> damn it i really think my roomie has it that fucker
15:24 < ware> there was exhaust coming out of the coolant resivoir
15:25 <@Catonic> Ouch.,
15:25 < ware> and it had was turning brown, i told my dad its leaking oil into it
15:25 < ware> and he said when you mix coolants it can do that
15:25 <@Catonic> mixing coolants is a no-no
15:25 < ware> but id never heard that before
15:26 <@Catonic> I almost clocked the guy at express oil when he started to pour something out of a jug marked "Dexcool"
15:26 <@Catonic> yeah, stay green, or orange or pink, or whatever
15:26 < ware> haha
15:27 <@Catonic> but if it's dexcool (or something like dexcool), you MUST keep it topped off
15:27 < ware> well we're gonna be pull the head tomorrow
15:27 < ware> gasket / new headbolts should be here monday
15:27 <@Catonic> dohc?
15:27 < ware> its a turbo v6
15:27 < ware> there was something special about it, i cant remember the name tho
15:28 < ware> direct ignition but thats not what im thinkin
15:28 <@Catonic> just remember, when you put the cam back in... there's a pattern for the bolts. Don't just start at one end and put them all at full torque
15:28 < Synx_hm> ware, direct injection?
15:28 < ware> A version of the GM 54° V6 powered by a unique asymmetrical low-pressure turbocharger was available from 1999 to 2003.
15:29 <@I-MOD> generally a spiral from teh center
15:29 < ware> thats what mine is
15:29 < Synx_hm> ahh
15:29 < ware> Catonic: yuhp, ive pulled engines apart before
15:29 <@Catonic> I have a friend who overheated an Altima and had to have the head decked, then installed the cam incorrectly, and broke it between cyls 1 and 3
15:29 <@I-MOD> ouch
15:29 < ware> head decked = refinish the surface?
15:30 <@Catonic> ware: pulled em apart? Hell, I exploded them.
15:30 <@I-MOD> flatten it out
15:30 < ware> we are taking it to get done once its pulled off
15:30 <@Catonic> yeah, it warped
15:30 < ware> just never heard the term decked before
15:30 <@I-MOD> neither have it, it's intuitive :D
15:30 <@Catonic> somehow the nitwit didn't notice the hot light was on, and the temp gauge was pegged and the water pump died about 30 minutes before
15:30 < Synx_hm> there something about us types we always have to get our hands dirty, i think its a good quality
15:31 < Synx_hm> now i just need to find a cool chick like me
15:31 < ware> dang, i only drove the saab like, 1/8th of a mile
15:31 < ware> and that was to stop on the off ramp and not on the interstate
15:31 < ware> once it overheated*
15:31 <@Catonic> did you ventilate it immediately?
15:32 < ware> the radiator hose had a quarter sized hole in it
15:32 < ware> it purged coolant within 30 seconds
15:32 < Synx_hm> yikes
15:32 <@Catonic> hrm..
15:33 <@Catonic> yeah, that's a pretty good reason to have head gasket failure
15:33 <@Dagmar> THat happened in *this* weather?
15:33 < Synx_hm> i put a hole in my upper radiator hose a month ago from the fan rubbing on it, it sprayed coolent directly on the oil pressure sending unit and my oil pressure light came on at the same time i noticed the smoke (coolant) comming out from under my hood
15:33 < Synx_hm> i almost shit myself
15:33 <@Catonic> I think but I'm not dead certain on this ... that the water jacket would provide some backpressure on the head-gasket to prevent the gasses in the combustion chamber from pushing through
15:34 < ware> Dagmar: yep, on wednesday night 15F
15:34 <@Dagmar> That's amazing
15:34 <@Catonic> Synx_hm: I would too.
15:34 <@Dagmar> I've had cars go for a month in the winter with no coolant in them at all
15:34 <@Dagmar> I'm astonished it could even get hot enough
15:35 < Synx_hm> Catonic, ya i had the car towed back home and was very worried until i realized it was just the coolent shorting out the oil pressure sending unit, much releaved was i
15:35 < ware> saab is like a high maintenance bitch
15:36 <@Catonic> there's nothing like seeing all the warning lights come on, the oil pressure guage drop to zero, then they all go off and "check engine" comes on.
15:38 < Synx_hm> yar
15:38 < ware> it sucks
15:39 < ware> General Motors' Opel division in Europe designed a compact V6 engine with an odd 54° vee angle. It was an iron block/aluminum head DOHC design with 4 valves per cylinder. All 54° engines are assembled at Ellesmere Port in England.
15:39 < ware> yeah its DOHC, but whats DOHC
15:39 <@Dagmar> D*** on her chin
15:39 < ware> dual overhead camshaft
15:39 < ware> haha
15:40 < ware> Catonic: i was thinkin about getting a blow-off valve for the turbo
15:40 <@Catonic> oh boy... "all of the parts falling off of this car are of the finest British manufacture."
15:40 <@Catonic> ware: if it needs it.
15:40 < Synx_hm> Catonic, not normally a good idea
15:40 <@Catonic> probably a better idea to keep your foot out of it.
15:40 < Synx_hm> Catonic, is it intercooled?
15:40 < Synx_hm> damn it
15:40 < Synx_hm> ware that is
15:40 < ware> i think it is
15:40 <@Catonic> is it a CVT?
15:41 <@Catonic> yeah, you're gonna be up to your ass in bolts taking that thing apart
15:41 < Synx_hm> ware, it very very likely has a stock bypass valve (similar to blow-off but does not vent to the atm.) that vents back into the intake and since that air is allready accounted for as its after the MAF/MAP sensor it dumps it back into the intake track on throttle lift boosted conditions
15:41 <@Catonic> otoh, you might be able to get away with just taking the head bolts out and leaving the camshaft in.
15:42 < ware> hrm
15:42 < Synx_hm> ware, when people put blow-off valves and do not account for the fact that they are venting allready metered air you run into very rich throttle lift (ie WOT to closed throttle) conditions
15:43 < ware> i just like the sound
15:43 < ware> haha
15:43 < Synx_hm> ya it does sound nice hehe
15:43 < Synx_hm> ive got all new exhaust stuff without heat shields for my exhaust mani, turbo uppipe and down pipe so you can hear my bypass anyways
15:44 < ware> Catonic: i think we just take the head plate thingy off
15:44 < ware> and leave the cams in
15:44 < ware> to replace the gasket*
15:45 < Synx_hm> might have to take off the valve cover to get to the head studs?
15:46 < ware> Power: SAE and 149 kW , 200 HP @ 5,000 rpm; 229 ft lb , 310 Nm @ 2,500 rpm
15:46 < Synx_hm> damn it i want my fing laptop mouse!!
15:46 < ware> woohoo
15:46 < ware> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/20/2006-Pontiac-GTO.jpg
15:46 < ware> thats mwhat my room has
15:46 < Synx_hm> ware, nice it produces peak tq at 2500 rpm thats not to bad at all, mmmm fast spooling turbos kick ass
15:47 < ware> sport mode on the saab is crazy, its got some get up and go
15:47 < Synx_hm> was the 06 the 6.0 or 5.7 (or 5.8 whta ever it was)
15:47 < ware> i dunno but its fast
15:47 < ware> hes trading/selling it for a z06
15:47 <@Catonic> V8s spoil you on torque
15:47 <@Catonic> 330 ft-lbs, available at almost zero.
15:48 < ware> its like 420ft lb at the crank
15:48 < Synx_hm> Catonic, ya its a bit different feeling than what a 2.0l 4 puts out hehe
15:48 < ware> my other roomie has a turbo spec-v sentra
15:49 < Synx_hm> ware, cool, i miss my old SE-R, but it was an older model witht he SR20 motor
15:49 < ware> Equipped with the LS1 V8 rated for 350 hp and 365 pound-feet of torque, 2004 models could get to 60 mph in 5.5 seconds and blaze through a quarter-mile in 14 seconds flat -- quicker than any of the original GTOs. More impressive were the 2005 and '06 models, which had the 6.0-liter V8. Rated for 400 hp and 400 lb-ft of torque, these models shaved more than half a second off that quarter-mile time.
15:49 < ware> thats what he has i think
15:49 < Synx_hm> i keep thinking about building a Datsun 510 with a SR20DET from japan in it
15:49 < ware> the sr20 like they put in 240s
15:49 < Synx_hm> ya its the same engine but the DET has lower compression oil squerts and i think a fordged crank
15:50 < Synx_hm> very stout block
15:50 < Synx_hm> wow type centeral
15:50 <@Catonic> hole -> head
15:50 < ware> eh?
15:50 <@Catonic> If I can get into trouble with the cops driving a plain old stock car, I don't need a sports version.
15:51 < ware> hahahaha
15:51 <@Catonic> granted, I do have the V6 Accord...
15:51 < ware> those are pimp too
15:51 < ware> buddy at work has an 08
15:51 <@Dagmar> This is nice...  Telling people KDE4 is Windows7... http://www.zdnet.com.au/insight/software/soa/Is-it-Windows-7-or-KDE-4-/0,139023769,339294810,00.htm
15:51 <@Catonic> Dagmar: tell them it's KDE5 on Slackware 13.
15:51 < ware> i was looking at an 07 se-r altima
15:51 <@Dagmar> Proving that video of J Random Asshole talking about how muhc they like an OS they've seen for three minutes is useless
15:53 < Synx_hm> hahah "i use windows imac"
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15:58 <@Dagmar> Oh sweet.  ZP tries to trash Little Big Planet
15:59 <@Dagmar> Oh god.
15:59 <@Feltenix> he does a rather nice job of it too
16:00 <@Dagmar> The boxer shorts with googly eyes...
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16:03 <@Dagmar> No more ammunition!  *squeal*
16:03 <@Dagmar> Sorry, still excited about that
16:03 < Synx_hm> OHHH http://www.decalgirl.com/browse.cfm/4,18086.htm
16:03 < Synx_hm> HOT
16:03 <@oddball> Dagmar, huh? what are you talking about?
16:04 <@Dagmar> oddball: Some patch notes for WoW 3.1 are saying they're doing away with stackable ammunition for Hunters
16:04 <@oddball> ah
16:04 <@Dagmar> ...which will mean a rather great deal for me.  Specifically, no more carrying a fucking ammo bag in one of the four allocated bag slots.
16:04 <@Dagmar> So... LOTS more free inventory space
16:05 <@Dagmar> Since I've falled into the trap of carrying two nearly complete sets of gear on my toon, this has become pretty pressing
16:05 <@Dagmar> s/falled/fallen/;
16:06 <@Dagmar> I dunno about not having to buy ammo anymore... I didn't really mind that, but the extra bag space for loot will be very VERY welcome
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16:46 < ware> man i havent played WoW in almost a month
16:46 < ware> got sucked into WC3 custom maps
16:46 < ware> DoTA and rpg's
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16:48 <@Dagmar> ware: Well, at least youc an appreciate what freeing up a whole primary bag slot means
16:48 <@Dagmar> I'm floored.
16:49 <@Dagmar> No more treating the mailbox like my personal loot dumpster every fifteen minutes
16:49 <@Dagmar> It'll more than double my average free space
16:50 < ware> yep
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16:57 <@brimstone> every time i see peaches join, i keep wanting to /nick orwell1984
16:58 <@scort> lllllllllollllllllll
17:01 < Synx_hm> scort, how'd you get your host to not show up when you do a whois?
17:02 <@brimstone> he's unaffiliated
17:02 < Synx_hm> how do i do that?
17:02 <@brimstone> stop being affiliated :)
17:02 <@brimstone> you can also donate to freenode and hassle an oper
17:04 < ware> or you could be kewl like me...
17:04 < ware> 16:08 [freenode] ,---Whois--< ware [i=w@i.gotz.teh.priviledged.hackerconsortium.info]
17:04 < Synx_hm> hehe
17:04 < ware> think im changing it to 'done.with.that.hackerconsortium.biz' tho
17:04 < ware> ;)
17:05 < Synx_hm> how the f do you do this, i cant find it in the nickserv help
17:06 < Synx_hm> nm,
17:06 <@brimstone> ware is doing dns trickery
17:06 < ware> there is no trickery involved! i am rfc compliant!
17:10 < Synx_hm> damn it
17:10 < Synx_hm> the fucking freenode.net site is not very helpfull
17:10 < Synx_hm> it talkes about cloaks but not how to request/set on up
17:10 < Synx_hm> one
17:11 < Synx_hm> am i just a complete newb?
17:11 <@Dagmar> You have to donate to get a cloak
17:11 <@Dagmar> Then it's just a matter of asking for one
17:12 <@scort> no Synx_hm
17:12 <@scort> no brimstone
17:12 < Synx_hm> ya i think i found it
17:12 <@scort> unaff cloak is free
17:12 < Synx_hm> you dont have to donate to get unaffiliated
17:12 <@scort> if you do what they ask
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17:18 < Synx_hm> har!
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17:22 < Synx_hm> suck it
17:22 <@brimstone> it was activated before you left even
17:22 < Synx_hm> ya
17:22 < Synx_hm> i was just trying to get auto identify in x-chat windows working
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17:24 < uSynx> woot
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17:24 < ware> WHO THE FUCK
17:24 < ware> is going to the meeting tonight?
17:24 < Synx_hm> man i wish they had meetings here
17:24 < ware> well i may go home and watch a re-run of americas most blunted
17:25 < ware> <-
17:25 <@Shadow404> cant make the meeting with htis new schedule
17:25 <@Shadow404> work till 9pm
17:25 <@Shadow404> by the time i get there, it will be over
17:34 < modnoc> \me goes to meeting
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17:46 < Synx_hm> EWF kicks ass
17:46 < Synx_hm> using it with windows 7 on my aspire one... wicked fast
17:47 < Synx_hm> yo
17:48 <@M0j0-j0j0> hope to see you Raleighians soon
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17:58 <@Catonic> Shadow404: I'll see your shitty shift with a weird illness
18:00 <@Shadow404> lawl
18:01 <@Shadow404> but hey, its 4 days on 3 days off
18:02 <@Catonic> as it should be
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18:20 <@Dagmar> Hmm... gonna have to use the car.  50F at 9pm == nonono
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18:22 < _vapor_> Is the 2600 meeting in nashville tonight?
18:22 <@Corydon76-dig> There is one, yes
18:22 < _vapor_> and if so, where is it located?  I cannot find the info on the site.
18:22 <@Corydon76-dig> Vandy Hill Center, 2nd floor
18:23 < _vapor_> 6pm?
18:23 <@Corydon76-dig> left out of the elevator, through the door, to the left, conference room on right
18:23 <@Corydon76-dig> Yep
18:23 < _vapor_> thx
18:24 < _vapor_> tis been a while since I have had time to go but I have time for the forseeable future it seems.
18:24 < _vapor_> is that on 12th street?
18:25 < _vapor_> looks like I found it.
18:25 < _vapor_> 1231 18th Ave. S., 143 Hill Center
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18:32 < ware> weee
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18:37 < ware> Please contact me direct if you can help me out. I'd like to be there
18:37 < ware> to give my presentation.
18:37 < ware> Thanks in advance.
18:37 < ware> lulz
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18:50 <@Dagmar> Gonna be late.  Gotta eat and this xp box won't reboot itself (most days)
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19:12 < eryc> hello from shmoocon!
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19:25 < ware> eryc: yah
19:25 < eryc> not really
19:25 < eryc> i might go to the party tonight
19:26 < ware> you wouldnt dare!
19:28 < eryc> http://hacdc.org/2009/02/03/party-mode-hacdc-style/
19:30 < ware> sounds super exclusive
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19:32 < eryc> http://www.aprilwinchell.com/2009/02/05/barack-obama-is-tired-of-your-motherfucking-shit
19:32 < eryc> lulz!!!
19:33 <@ShadowHntr> here is me on NX from my client's machine in Norway
19:33 <@scort> wheres that Shadow404 biatch at
19:33 <@Dolemite> ware, you fucking pussy, you never showed up at the Corner Pub!
19:37 < ware> ur mom
19:37 < ware> i dont have transportation like that
19:37 <@TheLightCosine> ware: smile you are on teh big scr33n
19:37 <@scort> ur just jealous
19:37 < ware>   .-===-. WATCH
19:37 < ware>   | . . |    OUT
19:37 < ware>   | .'. |     ITS
19:37 < ware>  ()_____()     MAH
19:37 < ware>  ||_____||    CHAIR!
19:38 < ware>   W     W
19:38 <@Dolemite> ware : ur mom is in ur chair, taking on all cummerz
19:38 <@Shadow404> scort: what the fuck do u want?
19:38 <@scort> never mind since you're being a bitch
19:39 <@Shadow404> wtf
19:40 <@Shadow404> you just called me a biatch
19:40 <@Shadow404> so what the fuck do u want?
19:40 <@scort> for you to get back in the kitchen
19:40 <@scort> and make me that GOD DAMN SANDWICH
19:40 <@Shadow404> lawl
19:40 <@Shadow404> scoil.diaf.snsweather.com
19:40 <@Shadow404> ok?
19:41 <@scort> no
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19:41 <@Shadow404> haha
19:42 <@scort> make coil.diaf.snsweather.com 2001:470:1f0f:212:1010:1010:1010:1010
19:43 <@Mirage> exi
19:43 <@Mirage> oops
19:43 <@brimstone> Password:
19:44 <@Shadow404> brimstone: GOD
19:49 <@Shadow404> scort: hurricane electric?
19:50 <@scort> ya
19:50 <@Shadow404> why?
19:50 <@scort> cuz it's free?
19:50 <@scort> and it's been pretty stable
19:50 <@scort> and i dont know of any other tunnels
19:53 <@Shadow404> coil.is.a.newb.snsweather AAAA 2001:470:1f0f:212:1010:1010:1010:1010
19:54 <@scort> no
19:54 <@scort> you fucked it up
19:54 <@Shadow404> what?
19:54 <@scort> i wanted coil.diaf.snsweather.com
19:54 <@Shadow404> you get what i give you biatch
19:55 <@scort> well fuck it i dont want it
19:55 <@Shadow404> whatever
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20:12 < scoil> lawl
20:15 <@scort> there, it's fixed
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20:32 < Synx_hm> fucked up...
20:32 < Synx_hm> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bridge_(2006_film)
20:33 < Synx_hm> just watched that in IFC
20:34 <@Shadow404> lawl, how sad scort
20:38 < Synx_hm> s/in/on
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20:40 < DagmarX> Damnit
20:41 < DagmarX> I think the fuel pump in my car just died.
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20:43 < ware> http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2003/10/13/031013fa_fact
20:43 < ware> Dolemite: uh oh
20:43 < ware> err DagmarX
20:44 < ware> Synx_hm: that movie any goo
20:44 < ware> d
20:44 < Synx_hm> well yes
20:44 < Synx_hm> but horribly depressing
20:44 < DagmarX> I know where the thing it, but that doesn't really help me much, and I can't be sure that's it
20:44 < DagmarX> I just know it acted like it just wasn't getting fuel intermittently
20:45 < DagmarX> It also had to sit for a bit after it quit before I could actually get it to catch again.  It would crank, but it wasn't firing
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20:47 < DagmarX> Provided it starts when I leave Bongo I'm going to put some octane stuff in it and top off the tank and try to get the thing home
20:47 < DagmarX> At least it won't be so horribly cold that I can't ride the scooter tomorrow
20:47 < ware> turedat
20:47 < ware> did you goto the meeting?
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20:50 < ware> Many people don.t look down first, and so those who jump from the north end of the bridge hit the land instead of the water they saw farther out. Jumpers who hit the water do so at about seventy-five miles an hour and with a force of fifteen thousand pounds per square inch. Eighty-five per cent of them suffer broken ribs, which rip inward and tear through the spleen, the lungs, and the heart. Vertebrae snap, and the liver often ruptur
20:50 < DagmarX> GOod lord there appears to be no way to change the channel windows in this xchat
20:51 < ware> Those who survive the impact usually die soon afterward. If they go straight in, they plunge so deeply into the water.which reaches a depth of three hundred and fifty feet.that they drown.
20:52 <@timoguin> where dat?
20:52 <@timoguin> a briiidge?
20:56 < DagmarX> Man I hope it's not the ECU
21:01 < ware> i cant find anything out about this supposed udp serverless vpn
21:01 < ware> dag you know anything about it?  brimstone said openvpn could do it
21:01 < DagmarX> nOPE
21:01 < DagmarX> er Nope.  No idea.
21:02 < AstralSin> how the hell does a serverless vpn work?
21:02 < ware> supposed to be able to setup an encrypted tunnel via udp and do a client to client setup from behind firewalls
21:02 < DagmarX> I suppose through exchange of individual keys per node
21:02 < ware> without having to create nat rules or anything
21:02 < ware> im talking 1 to 1 at the moment
21:02 < AstralSin> i just use ssh
21:03 < DagmarX> To an extent you could always do it with openssh and pppd
21:03 < ware> pppd? that would create a vpn?
21:03 < DagmarX> Um yeah you can run pppd across an ssh connection.
21:03 < DagmarX> That's the way people used to do it
21:04 < ware> i hadnt heard of it before
21:04 < DagmarX> THere's likely tons of docs on it by now'
21:04 < ware> but youre assuming the client/server has access to the network appliances
21:04 < ware> port forwarded etc
21:04 < AstralSin> http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/ppp-ssh.html
21:05 < DagmarX> If you can ssh to it, it ceases to be a problem
21:05 < AstralSin> actually http://www.google.com/search?q=pppd+ssh+vpn&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
21:05 < ware> i need it to happen without requiring ports opened / forwarded or no nat going on
21:05 < DagmarX> If you can't ssh to it then there's no easy way to get it to happen
21:05 < ware> example, i goto random wifi spot in town, you goto random wifi spot in town, lets vpn to each other
21:05 < AstralSin> throw httunnel into the mix
21:06 < DagmarX> UDP isn't going to cross *two* firewalls without trickery
21:06 < ware> explain how either client ssh's to the other without port forwarding or NATing
21:06 <@I-MOD> DagmarX, asterisk does it with IAX
21:06 < ware> apparently you setup each client to run on the same destination port
21:07 < DagmarX> i-mod: Yes, trickery basically
21:07 <@I-MOD> it's not THAT bad
21:07 < ware> then when the outgoing udp packet leaves the firewall and creates a temporary route
21:07 < ware> it gets hit with the request from the other client and then forms the tunnel
21:07 < ware> but i cant find jack about setting it up
21:07 < eryc> you need a stun server
21:07 < DagmarX> Setting what up?
21:08 < DagmarX> Probably so
21:08 < ware> hey!
21:08 < DagmarX> ?
21:09 < ware> STUN server is what i was thinking of
21:10 < ware> but i didnt know it was called that haha
21:10 < DagmarX> Man wtf is with the people who put articles on slashdot
21:10 < DagmarX> "Privacy International is calling Google's new mapping application an 'unnecessary danger' to users' security and privacy. The criticism follows the unveiling this week of Google Latitude, an upgrade to Google Maps that allows people to track the exact location of friends or family through their mobile devices."
21:10 < eryc> well what you were talking about is more this:
21:10 < eryc> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UDP_hole_punching
21:11 < eryc> and you probably want to look at Hamachi
21:11 < DagmarX> No shit people will know where you're at if you fucking enable something that allows it, expressly for that purpose
21:11 < eryc> or any of the others listed
21:12 < AstralSin> if you're gonna use hamachi, just use logmein free + dropbox
21:12 < AstralSin> well, that may not work, depending on what you're wanting to do
21:12 < eryc> https://secure.logmein.com/products/hamachi/vpn.asp
21:12 < AstralSin> hamachi used to be free :(
21:12 < eryc> it still is
21:12 < ware> basically i want to do what hamachi does
21:13 < ware> but i thought you could do it client to client
21:13 < AstralSin> meh, not really
21:13 < AstralSin> though, you can still get the old hamachi
21:13 < AstralSin> hamachi.cc
21:13 < ware> are there open stun servers available?
21:13 < eryc> also http://www.neorouter.com/
21:13 < eryc> yea there are a few
21:14 < ware> if your shit isnt encrypted tho
21:14 < ware> even then they could mitm you cert
21:14 < ware> ima set one up
21:14 < eryc> also http://www.gbridge.com/
21:14 < eryc> vpn via googletalk
21:14 < ware> stun server was the keyword i missed
21:14 < ware> WUUUT
21:15 < ware> OH SHIT haha the header image is the golden gate bridge
21:15 < ware> was just talkin about that
21:15 <@timoguin> haha i was right!
21:15 <@timoguin> thought that's what you were talking about
21:15 < DagmarX> If you Google "STUN server" the first hit has a list of publicly accessible STUN servers
21:15 < ware> timoguin: lets try this gbridge
21:16 <@timoguin> NO
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21:18 < AstralSin> wow
21:18 < AstralSin> i somehow just detached this channel window from pidgin
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21:23 <@mgalgoci> good job
21:33 <@mgalgoci> oh dear god my cat shit a squirrel
21:33 < AstralSin> ew
21:52 <@aestetix> what the fuck
21:53 <@Feltenix> how big is your cat?
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21:58 <@m0j0-j0j0> anyone know where the raleigh crew is?
21:58 < eryc> shmoooo
21:58 < eryc> no idk
21:58 <@mgalgoci> why do you ask about the raleigh crew
21:59 <@m0j0-j0j0> im trying to get pictures of them with my spy satellite
21:59 <@mgalgoci> you will see me looking right back at you
22:00 <@m0j0-j0j0> i wanted to get up and hang out
22:00 <@m0j0-j0j0> but I can't find the group
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22:04 <@m0j0-j0j0> mgalgoci: are you with the flock?
22:04 <@mgalgoci> no
22:04 <@mgalgoci> I am a lone wolf
22:05 <@m0j0-j0j0> well.. that doesn't sound very inclusive
22:05 <@mgalgoci> I'll bite your head off, man.
22:06 <@m0j0-j0j0> that might be worse for you than me
22:06 <@m0j0-j0j0> just leave me one
22:06 <@m0j0-j0j0> I might need it :)
22:06 <@m0j0-j0j0> and if would be nice to wipe too
22:09 <@m0j0-j0j0> bah
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22:11 <@mgalgoci> weirdo
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22:34 <@mgalgoci> BadLarry
22:34 <@NotLarry> when did I become not op?
22:34 <@mgalgoci> are you identified to services
22:34 <@mgalgoci> ?
22:35 <@NotLarry> yup
22:35 <@mgalgoci> I dunno
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22:39 <@mgalgoci> ya
22:39 <@mgalgoci> so
22:39 <@mgalgoci> what happened
22:39 < Synx_hm> you guys think 30awg is enough to handle 5v power for a usb bluetooth adapter
22:39 <@mgalgoci> you became an op twice
22:39 <@mgalgoci> Synx_hm: only if you take pictures
22:39 < Synx_hm> mgalgoci, really
22:41 < Synx_hm> i wonder how long before the wire disapeared from sight hehe
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22:42 < Synx_hm> shitty thing is all i have is 30 wirewrap or 22awg :(
22:42 < Synx_hm> 22 is going to be fun on surface mount shit
22:42 < Synx_hm> good think i only have to solder 4 wires to this mobo
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22:45 < CRasH180> Why do you have to solder 4 wires on a mobo?
22:45 < CRasH180> If you don't mind if I ask
22:45 < Synx_hm> putting a micro bluetooth adapter into my aspire one
22:45 < CRasH180> oh, nice
22:46 < Synx_hm> i hope it will be
22:49 < Synx_hm> one down
22:50 < CRasH180> Are you wiping your brow after each successful solder?
22:52 < Synx_hm> hehe
22:52 < Synx_hm> man the first one broke off i had to really geta glob on that bad boy
22:52 < Synx_hm> yikes
22:53 < CRasH180> lol
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22:57 < Synx_hm> yikes
22:57 < Synx_hm> two down
22:57 < Synx_hm> maybe i should power up the board to make sure i didn't kill it hehe
22:57 < CRasH180> I wouldn't do it yet
22:58 < Synx_hm> what ya mean?
22:58 < Synx_hm> whiles its hot?
22:58 < CRasH180> go for the gold!
22:58 < Synx_hm> haha
22:59 < CRasH180> I mean, go for the solder!
22:59 < Synx_hm> got 5v woot
22:59 < Synx_hm> how the really hard part
22:59 < CRasH180> s/how/now
23:00 < Synx_hm> soldering to two traces right next to eachother on a surfacemount mini pci connector :(
23:00 < CRasH180> I hope you weren' t asking me ;)
23:00 < Synx_hm> and for the 30awg hehe
23:00 < CRasH180> be careful. Be vewy vewy careful
23:00 < Synx_hm> ya you know which traces i need right?
23:01 < CRasH180> Not me
23:01 < Synx_hm> uh oh
23:01 < Synx_hm> ;)
23:01 < CRasH180> I'm not good backup on electronics
23:01 < CRasH180> Lost a job soldering Toshiba mobos for Televisions because I suck at soldering
23:01 < Synx_hm> hehe
23:02 <@Corydon76-dig> CRasH180: what IS your specialty?
23:02 < Synx_hm> man this wide tip on my iron is not making this easy
23:02 < CRasH180> hehe, tech support, sys admin
23:02 < CRasH180> need the smaller tips for that
23:03 <@Corydon76-dig> CRasH180: how useful did you find the Perl class?
23:03 < CRasH180> I did not go to the Perl class. I went to the C class
23:03 <@Corydon76-dig> Oh
23:03 <@Corydon76-dig> Well, that class was useless
23:04 < CRasH180> heh
23:04 <@Corydon76-dig> I suck at teaching
23:04 < CRasH180> I am pretty good at teaching
23:05 < CRasH180> Why do you think you are so bad?
23:05 <@Corydon76-dig> I got a ton of compliments, but I'm not sure why
23:05 <@Corydon76-dig> Because I lose so many students
23:05 < ware> how was shadows preso corydon?
23:05 <@Corydon76-dig> ware: not bad
23:06 < CRasH180> That is nothing against you. Well, sometimes it is. Usually half of the people will drop out of a class before mid-way through
23:06 <@timoguin> Did he type on a keyboard?
23:06 <@Corydon76-dig> timoguin: yep
23:06 <@timoguin> He types really funny.
23:06 <@timoguin> BANG BANG BANG BANG
23:06 <@Corydon76-dig> I think I move through the material too quickly
23:07 <@timoguin> Corydon76-dig: I quit because I couldn't afford to keep driving out there.  Don't know about everyone else.
23:07 < CRasH180> Oh, I used to do that when I was really nervous. After you start teaching and getting up in front of people it is not so bad.
23:08 <@timoguin> Corydon76-dig: You can't be as bad as the C++ prof I have now.
23:08 <@timoguin> We meet once a week for an hour.
23:08 <@timoguin> So far we've met four times.
23:08 <@timoguin> We're still on hello world.
23:08 < CRasH180> You become more comfortable after time
23:08 <@Corydon76-dig> timoguin: that's the only reason I keep doing it.  Because there are worse teachers
23:08 < CRasH180> wha?
23:08 <@timoguin> no joke
23:08 < CRasH180> damn
23:08 <@timoguin> first class was just a general introduction
23:08 <@timoguin> second class was hello world with homework to compile it and run it
23:09 <@timoguin> third class was writing a batch file to keep the console window open to display it...
23:09 <@timoguin> wtf?
23:09 < Synx_hm> yikes time to get the wick out
23:09 < CRasH180> set a fire under that teacher
23:09 <@timoguin> and the fourth class was supposed to be an exam where we typed hello world from memory
23:09 < CRasH180> go faster!
23:09 <@timoguin> well
23:10 <@timoguin> i'm the only one in the class who knows ANYTHING about programming
23:10 <@timoguin> the people that have programmed have programmed "HTML"
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23:16 < Synx_hm> how can i unbridge surface mount traces?
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