--- Log opened Tue Feb 03 00:00:03 2009
00:04 < CRasH180> eryc: That was interesting to see
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00:18 < Mercster> nothing brings it all together
00:19 < Mercster> the journey's never done
00:19 < Mercster> id sing of stormy weather, BUT it's been sung...
00:19 < Mercster> so let's have some fun...
00:19 < Mercster> THREE ELEVEN HAS GRASSROOTS, COME ON JUMP
00:19 < Mercster> THREE ELEVEN HAS GRASSROOTS
00:19 < Mercster> TRUE
00:19 < Mercster> THREE ELEVEN HAS GRASSROOTS FOR YA MOMMA
00:19 < Mercster> THREE ELEVEN HAS GRASSROOTS
00:20 < eryc> shutup
00:26  * sdodson destroys the evidence
00:27 <@sdodson> Mercster: wtf is wrong with my panel?
00:27 <@sdodson> Mercster: you best be 'splain'n that shit
00:27 <@scoil> my mom sdodson
00:27 <@scoil> that's what wrong
00:27 < eryc> nerd pickle
00:27 <@sdodson> Well ya, she should have killed the parasite, but she didn't, and now we have you.
00:27 < Mercster> sdodson: gnome panel?
00:27 < Mercster> fuck if i know
00:27 <@sdodson> Mercster: ya
00:27 < Mercster> works for me!
00:27 < Mercster> oh
00:27 < Mercster> your screenshot
00:27 < Mercster> well
00:27 <@sdodson> Mercster: no, you said my shit was cluttered
00:28 < Mercster> yeah
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00:28 < Mercster> its just kinda all over the place
00:28 < Mercster> no rhyme or reason
00:28 <@NotLarry> Mercster: Have you fed your cat today?
00:28 < Mercster> inexplicable space
00:28 < Mercster> NotLarry: yep
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00:29 <@NotLarry> So, my wife had an appointment rescheduled for 4:20 and she didn't know what the kids thought was so funny about that:)
00:29 < Mercster> are your kids potheads
00:30 <@sdodson> Mercster: duh, NotLarry is their dealer
00:30 <@NotLarry> Of course not, it would interfear with their meth recipe.
00:30 < Mercster> yea smokin weed on speed sucks
00:30 < Mercster> i duno why some ppl do it
00:30 < Mercster> seems counterintuitive
00:31 < Mercster> NotLarry has obviously dropped science in his household
00:31 < Mercster> never kill your meth buzz with weed
00:31 < Mercster> waste of money and time
00:32 <@NotLarry> They don't do meth either.
00:32 < Mercster> well cool, they can smoke all the weed they want then
00:32 <@NotLarry> not in evilpig's house they can't
00:32 -!- sdodson changed the topic of #se2600 to: The connotations wearing my nerves thin Could it be semantics generating the mess we're in?
00:32 -!- sdodson changed the topic of #se2600 to: The connotations wearing my nerves thin. Could it be semantics generating the mess we're in?
00:33 < ware> notlarry, old n hairy, like santa on a skateboard, perverted and scary
00:33 < ware> he pops cherrys
00:33 < ware> on 18yr old college chicks that eat more dick that even tilghman gets
00:33 < Mercster> sweeta tha juice an' blacker tha berry
00:33 <@NotLarry> ware: you want to see scary, you watch for that 300lb of NotLarry screaming down a 9' drop towards you:)
00:34 < ware> sick and twisted, like the bl$nt i just rolled, more fucked up that the new jersy pike tolls
00:34 <@sdodson> ware is a copy pasta!
00:34 < ware> shit
00:35 < ware> im an odg
00:35 < ware> original
00:35 < ware> digital
00:35 < ware> gangsta
00:35 < ware> ROFL
00:35 < Mercster> yea, unoriginal comin' with cock'n'bull, he sees merc as an obstacle but im on top o' this like swimmin poolz
00:35 < Mercster> haha odg
00:36 < Mercster> that's bad :)
00:36 < mtown_ner1> http://xkcd.com/538/  lol
00:36 < ware> in swimming pools? where other dudes fuck other fools? and end up with fuck on thier funk and troll irc like tools?
00:36 < ware> that must be you, that you cant make up, but i can see a fake punk when i see a fake punk
00:37 < ware> make that*!#@_*$!_)@#
00:37 < Mercster> bad, like so sad, rad? i put it in a gladd bag, havin' you on the corner with slag, honkies pickin you up in the mornin' wit the trash
00:39 < Mercster> dont try to top this, you'll git beat quick with the mad ish, im comin' wit a grip o that funky shit...you just a r-n-b kid, with you could spit the quick list
00:39 < Mercster> like this
00:39 < ware> WHITE TRASH?! IRC RAPS! END UP BADASS'D ON BASH! theres nothing i can think of that rhymes with bash
00:40 < Mercster> you aint a homie, you a phoney, comin' with cheap tricks like italian jabroniez...i sick my verbs on you only, cuz hoez know it, you corny
00:40 <@sdodson> cold front rolling through
00:43 < ware> m0j0-j0j0: hey
00:43 < Mercster> hi m0j0-j0j0
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00:43 < Mercster> rehi ware
00:44 < ware> u broked mah internets with ur rhymes
00:45 < Mercster> it happens
00:45 < Mercster> now im listening to the beatles, im back to white'n'nerdy
00:45 < Mercster> GOT TO GET YOU INTO MY LIFE!
00:46 < ware> 23:49 <@   xtort-> ware! I saw that you played in the superbowl
00:46 < ware> 23:49 <@  sorteal> HAHA
00:46 < ware> 23:49 <      ware> hell yeah i did
00:46 < ware> 23:49 <      ware> in irl im a skinny white dude
00:46 < ware> 23:50 <      ware> but on irc and tv im a 6'5 280lb NIGGA
00:46 < ware> 23:50 <@   xtort-> hhahaha
00:46 < ware> rofl sorry thats hilarious
00:46 < ware> atm
00:47 <@m0j0-j0j0> ware: hey
00:47 < ware> lolmojo.gif
00:47 <@m0j0-j0j0> lolz
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00:48 < ware> stop
00:49 <@m0j0-j0j0> thanks, i'm good
00:49 < ware> no
00:51 <@m0j0-j0j0> lolz
00:52 < ware> http://abstract.quadspeedi.net/~w/lolmojo.gif <- federal agent
00:52 < ware> lolz
00:53 <@scoil> lolz
00:53 <@m0j0-j0j0> lolz
00:53 < ware> what do you carry?
00:53 < ware> i got a usp
00:54 < ware> .45 > *
00:54 < ware> you do carry, dont you mr federal agent
00:55 <@m0j0-j0j0> I could tell you but..
00:55 < ware> but what
00:55 < ware> (its okay, id be embarassed too)
00:55 < ware> LOL.20
00:55 < ware> .20LOL
00:57 < ware> http://tinyurl.com/lolhotbitch
01:02 < Mercster> those lips could melt the chrome off of a tailpipe
01:02 < ware> suck the chrome*
01:02 <@scoil> suck a golf ball through a garden hose
01:02 < ware> or suck a bowling ball through 10ft of garden hose
01:03 < ware> LOL
01:03 < ware> WOW way to make me look lame.
01:03 <@scoil> sry
01:03 < ware> roflhaha
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01:04 < m0j0-j0j01> ware: she's a stock graphic
01:04 < ware> haawt, introduce me!
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01:05 < Mercster> she's stock? ill show her my cock
01:05 < Mercster> (too easy)
01:06 < ware> only after teh crack rock
01:07 <@sdodson> she won't ask for a restock
01:07 < Mercster> ive got tha key to her deadbolt lock
01:07 < Mercster> rock that shit an knock her block off
01:07 < ware> i say 110volts and giver'an electric shock
01:08 < Mercster> leave 'er screamin for tha po-lice while i hock her jewelz, i found in her sock
01:08 < Mercster> ware: hah
01:08 < ware> setup a network adhoc, and video tape so later you can jack off
01:08 < Mercster> aaaaaiiiiiiiiiigggggggggghhhhhhhhht
01:08  * Mercster shines tha light on ware
01:09 < ware> tacts off your shit is soft, lyrics beat you into a corner like head judge john ashcroft
01:09 < Mercster> ohhhhhhhhhhhhh
01:09 < ware> ROFL
01:10 < Mercster> nigga spittin bout ASHCROFT, is this kid'z BRAIN OFF?
01:13 <@sdodson> Everyone going to Denny's?
01:13 < ware> tortillini
01:13 < Mercster> ware srsly busted 'tortillini' earlier
01:13 < m0j0-j0j01> sdodson: it still isn't worth the price
01:14 < Mercster> i was impressed
01:14 < ware> hahaha where was that
01:15 < m0j0-j0j01> well, I woke up late for work this morning so I think I need to go to bed so I can get up on time
01:15 < ware> ya aint said much
01:16  * Mercster hugs m0j0-j0j01 
01:18 < m0j0-j0j01> *shrug* comparatively your combined line output is over 10x what mine is so... I'd say I've been about average
01:18 < Mercster> noone iz illa than me
01:18 < Mercster> noone, noone
01:18 < Mercster> wit me, mista swiftee from tha three-one-three
01:19 < m0j0-j0j01> ware: sorry for sticking my nose in your business about the bar.. that wasn't really my place
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01:20 < ware> :D i like the internets
01:20 < Mercster> the Innernette. it comes with 6 virtual avatars you can chat with
01:20 < m0j0-j0j01> Mercster: you're still a troll.  Thanks for the hugz
01:20 < Mercster> k byyyyyyyeeeeee
01:20 < m0j0-j0j01> peace
01:20 < ware> ciao
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01:23 < ware> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e1/John_Ashcroft.jpg
01:32 < ware> sdodson: nigga and im only 23!!!!
01:32 < ware> sdodson: nigga and im only 23!!!!
01:36 <@sasquatc4> hah, phelps got busted smokin the weed
01:40 < ware> all the storys i read said he smoked out of a glass bong that is typically used for smoking weed
01:40 < ware> but not actually smoking weed
01:40 <@sasquatc4> naw theres an update on the huffingtonpost's site, he admitted it was weed
01:40 <@sasquatc4> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/31/michael-phelps-bong-pictu_n_162842.html
01:41 <@sdodson> I think that's just the media being afraid to call it a bong
01:41 <@sdodson> Sort of like when you go into a headshop you don't say "Hey, where da bongs at dawg?"
01:41 <@sdodson> "This good for smoking weed?"
01:41 <@sasquatc4> conan's response was pretty good, that will teach whoever was smoking with him to share their weed with a person who has 10x the lung capacity of a normal human
01:44 < Mercster> haha
01:44 < Mercster> dude, i was thinking about that
01:44 < Mercster> that kid can swim like no other man
01:44 < Mercster> and there he is tokin' on reefer
01:44 < Mercster> i say that's a selling point
01:44 < Mercster> LEGALIZE IT
01:44 <@sdodson> http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1834/familyplanningaj2.jpg
01:45 <@sdodson> He's the counter case, you and millions of other hosers are the case.
01:45 < Mercster> sdodson: nice
01:45 < Mercster> sdodson: yea, that's fair
01:46 <@sasquatc4> well i love how ever year at least one snowboarder loses a gold medal for testing positive
01:46 < Mercster> heh
01:46 < Mercster> yea well, snowboarders are hippies
01:46 < Mercster> they dont care
01:46 <@sdodson> Ya, imagine what would happen when skateboarding becomes an olympic sport
01:46 <@scoil> damn i should be a snowboarder then
01:46 < Mercster> they're like "fuck it duuuuuuuuuuude"
01:46 < Mercster> "i got so wasted duuuuuuuuuuuuude"
01:46 < Mercster> "i lost the gold, fuck it, lets get toasted duuuuuuuuuuuude"
01:47 <@sasquatc4> yah, there have been multiple times when ive just been chillin at the top of a hill to have some kid randomly come up and ask if i got bud
01:47 <@sasquatc4> its pretty much legal out there anyway, you get on to a gondola past 4pm and half of them reak
01:48 < Mercster> heh
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01:58 <@sdodson> http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/01/31/forget-microsoft-ce-sidekick-lx-2009-to-run-netbsd/
01:58 < Mercster> netbsd? good lord
01:58 < Mercster> they're digging deep
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02:23 < Mercster> hi rattle
02:34 < ware> hi obama
02:36 < Mercster> obamanation
02:37 < Mercster> shame onna nigga who try to run game onna nigga
02:37 < Mercster> whoz' buck wile' wit da trigga
02:38 < Mercster> wu
02:38 < Mercster> 's comin' THRU
02:38 < Mercster> at a theatre near YOU
02:38 < Mercster> an git funk like a SHOE
02:38 < Mercster> WUT
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03:05 < Mercster> you know that you shoot me babe
03:05 < Mercster> you shook me aaaaaaaaalllll niiiiiiiiiight loooooooooooong
03:06 < Mercster> i said yous shooooooooooook me baaaaaaaaaybaaaaaaaaaaaay
03:06 < Mercster> you shook me aaaaaaaaalllll niiiiiiiiiight loooooooooooong
03:06 < Mercster> YOU SHOOOK ME SO
03:06 < Mercster> HARD BABY
03:06 < Mercster> BABE!
03:06 < Mercster> baby baby baby, please come home
03:21 <@aestetix> um
03:24  * Mercster grinds on ar
03:24  * Mercster grinds on aestetix 
03:24 < Mercster> IM DRUNK
03:27 < Mercster> aestetix: have you ever considered that your nickname, while somewhat inventive, does not actually replicate the proper pronunciation of 'aethetics', thus deeming you stupid?
03:27 < Mercster> DAP
03:27 < Mercster> DAP
03:27 < Mercster> DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
03:28 < Mercster> a seasoned witch could call you from the depths of your disgrace
03:28 <@aestetix> what?
03:29 < Mercster> and rearrange your liver to the solid mental grace
03:29 < Mercster> and achieve it all with music that came quickly, from afar
03:29 < Mercster> then taste the fruit of man recorded losing, all against the hour...
03:30 < Mercster> and assessing points to nowhere, leading every single one
03:31 < Mercster> a dewdrop can exault us, like the music of the sun
03:31 < Mercster> and take away the plain in which we move
03:31 < Mercster> and choose the course you're running...
03:31 < Mercster> down at the edge
03:31 < Mercster> close to the riverrrrrrrrrrr
03:32 < Mercster> (not riiiiight away, not riiiiight away)
03:32 < Mercster> seasons will pass you by
03:32 < Mercster> i get up
03:32 < Mercster> i get down
03:33 < Mercster> aestetix: dont feel bad, i have a dumb nickname too
03:33  * Mercster hugs ar
03:33 < Mercster> son of a
03:33  * Mercster hugs aestetix 
03:34 <@aestetix> A dumb nickname?
03:34 < Mercster> down at the edge
03:34 < Mercster> round by the cornerrrrrrrrrr
03:34 < Mercster> close to the edge
03:34 < Mercster> down by the riverrrrrrrrrrrrr
03:34 < Mercster> I GET UP!
03:35 < Mercster> I GET DOWN....
03:37 < Mercster> two million people, barely satisfied...
03:37 < Mercster> two hungry women, watch one...woman diee....
03:38 < Mercster> too late
03:38 < Mercster> the eyes of honesty can achieve...
03:38 < Mercster> how many mysteries do we decieve...
03:38 < Mercster> each day
03:38 < Mercster> i get up
03:38 < Mercster> i get down
03:38 < Mercster> i get up...
03:38 < Mercster> i GET DOWN...
03:39 < Mercster> in charge of who is there, in charge of me...
03:39 < Mercster> do i look on, and blinded
03:39 < Mercster> say i seeeeeee
03:39 < Mercster> the wayy
03:39 < Mercster> the truth is written
03:39 < Mercster> all along that daaaaaay...
03:39 < Mercster> how old will i be
03:39 < Mercster> before i come of age
03:39 < Mercster> for you?
03:39 < Mercster> i get up
03:39 < Mercster> i get DOWN
03:39 < Mercster> i GET UP
03:39 < Mercster> I GET DOWN
03:39 < Mercster> I GET UUUUUUUUUUUP!
03:39 < Mercster> I GET DOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWN!
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03:40 < Mercster> i get up
03:40 < Mercster> i get down...
03:40 < Mercster> i get up...
03:40 < Mercster> i get DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
03:41 <@TheLightCosine> please no chumbawumba mercster =P
03:41 < Mercster> pfffffffffft
03:41 < Mercster> come on!
03:41 < Mercster> this is YEs
03:41 <@TheLightCosine> YEs?
03:42 < Mercster> Yes
03:42 < Mercster> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yes_(band)
03:42 < Mercster> prog rock
03:42 < Mercster> i can offer you a sample if you'd like
03:44 < Mercster> chumba-fuckin-wumba
03:44 < Mercster> that's a lol and a half, brother
03:46 < Mercster> http://quanta.homeip.net/yes.mp3
03:46 < Mercster> try that
03:46 < Mercster> welcome to music
03:47 <@TheLightCosine> a 34mb mp3?!
03:47 <@TheLightCosine> wtf?
03:47 < Mercster> it's a long track
03:47 <@TheLightCosine> what is it an entire album?
03:48 < Mercster> well, the album itself has about 5 tracks
03:48 <@TheLightCosine> maybe at home, then heh not at work
03:50 < Mercster> you may die of a coronary before you get home
03:50 <@TheLightCosine> very possible
03:50 < Mercster> dont deprive yourself of this
03:50 < Mercster> it's rock and roll at it's most cerebral
03:52 <@TheLightCosine> heh
03:52 <@TheLightCosine> obviosuly sir you have never listened to Bad religion
03:52 < Mercster> this isnt punk, it's 70s progressive rock
03:53 < Mercster> i wont detract from the merits of punk rock, but it's not comparable
03:55 <@TheLightCosine> well either you just scored a point in my book, or you just googled bad religion
03:56 <@TheLightCosine> i would have to assume that you wouldn't care enough to google it so i will ascribe you the point
03:56 < Mercster> ill bury this point deep inside of me, where i will never feel it again, except as pent up rage
03:56 < Mercster> thank you sir
03:57 <@TheLightCosine> heh
03:57 <@TheLightCosine> but my comment was mianly in reference to the cerebral part
03:57 <@TheLightCosine> i have never ehard another bad with such lyrics as " i'm just a misanthropic anthorpoid"
03:57 <@TheLightCosine> er anthropoid
03:58 <@TheLightCosine> i knew a guy that when he emt Greg Graffin simply said "dude, put down the fucking thesaurus"
03:59 < Mercster> Yes lyrics are mostly nebulous attempts at spirituality with no objective meaning; its merits lie mainly in the orchestral arrangements, superb musicianship, and masterful composition
03:59 <@TheLightCosine> very nicely overstated and possibly excepted from an article somewhere =P
03:59 < Mercster> it's not cerebral in the "whoa dude this guy's totally anti-establishment" sense, but intelligent musically
04:00 < Mercster> they dont need to pander to a political position to be genius
04:00 < Mercster> you'd just have to listen
04:00 < Mercster> let me know when you do
04:00 <@TheLightCosine> well i'd say for being punk Bad Religion was extremely intelligent in both track and album composition, but i see your point
04:01 <@TheLightCosine> punk is a genre of almsot entirely pwoerchords heh
04:01 <@TheLightCosine> there's only so far you can take that
04:01 < Mercster> which is why i say, it's different
04:01 < Mercster> not taking anything away from punk
04:01 <@TheLightCosine> indeed
04:02 < Mercster> it's just different
04:02 < Mercster> entirely different
04:02 < Mercster> worlds away
04:04 < Mercster> when i think of great punk bands, i think of husker du
04:04 < Mercster> the minutemen
04:04 <@TheLightCosine> minor threat?
04:04 < Mercster> but still, it's just a completely different genre
04:04 <@TheLightCosine> batallion of saints
04:04 <@TheLightCosine> department of youth services
04:04 < Mercster> saying entirely different things
04:04 <@TheLightCosine> mdc
04:04 < Mercster> in entirely different ways
04:05 <@TheLightCosine> 70's rock is too far back fior me heh
04:05 <@TheLightCosine> i was a child of the 80s
04:05 < Mercster> punk is minimalist...prog rock is maximalist, if that makes sense
04:05 < Mercster> but good prog rock manages to stay unpretentious
04:06 < Mercster> while still showcasing some of the most maestro-ific instrumentation
04:06 < Mercster> and song composition
04:06 <@TheLightCosine> i get what yer saying but i'm pretty sure maximalist is not a word =P
04:06 < Mercster> listen, im only 32, i didnt grow up on 70s rock
04:06 < Mercster> i discovered it
04:06 < Mercster> and learned to appreciate it for what it is
04:06 < Mercster> which is some of the best damn music, period
04:07 <@TheLightCosine> just one era i never really got into
04:07 < Mercster> well im pretty sure maestro-ific isnt a word either, but im depending upon your grasp of the english language to derive meaning from my mashups
04:08 < Mercster> no led zeppelin? no frank zappa?
04:08 <@TheLightCosine> i don't like zepplin
04:08 <@TheLightCosine> i appreciate frank zappa for being just a wierd bastard
04:08 < Mercster> no beatles? (admittedly, late 60s)
04:08 < Mercster> you dont like zeppelin?
04:08 < Mercster> k i cant really continue this exchange of ideas
04:09 <@TheLightCosine> beatles i only really like some of their songs like Eleanor Rigby, While my Guitar Gently weeps stuff like that
04:09 < Mercster> you've just failed my taste test
04:09 < Mercster> TheLightCosine: yeah, thats later beatles, good stuff
04:09 < Mercster> white album is where those two tracks come from
04:09 <@TheLightCosine> going back  further I like Roy Orbison, Johnny Cash, Patsy Cline
04:09 < Mercster> which is one of the best rock albums of all time
04:09 < Mercster> but no led zeppelin
04:09 <@TheLightCosine> or Frank Sinatra and bobby Darren
04:09  * Mercster swoons
04:09 <@TheLightCosine> then go back further you got jazz and swing like ellington or Cab Calloway
04:10 < Mercster> frank zappa is largely jazz fusion
04:10 < Mercster> once you get away from his more "popular" tracks
04:10 < Mercster> led zeppelin is largely blues rock
04:11 < Mercster> i guess you either got the bluez, or you dont
04:11 < Mercster> i wonder if you've been exposed to enough led zeppelin. i dunno. i cant imagine a human being not liking led zeppelin
04:11 < Mercster> its unfathomable to me
04:12 <@TheLightCosine> i don't hate them or anything
04:12 <@TheLightCosine> i just think they are overhyped, rather like Hemmingway
04:12 < Mercster> have you ever heard their album 'physical graffiti'?
04:12 <@TheLightCosine> there's this diea that if you like rock n roll you have to like Led Zepplin
04:12 < Mercster> well, pretty much
04:12 <@TheLightCosine> and i think that's bullshit
04:12 < Mercster> nah, it's pretty accurate
04:12 < Mercster> you prolly just havent heard the right stuff
04:13 < Mercster> people go crazy over 'black dog' and 'stairway to heaven'
04:13  * TheLightCosine plays "I hate Jimmy Paige" by Mindless Self indulgence =P
04:13 < Mercster> both of which i wouldnt even rank in their top #10 tracks
04:13 < Mercster> 'page', plz
04:13 < Mercster> also, thats an ignorant stance
04:13 < Mercster> but whatever you like :)
04:14 < Mercster> if you ever wanna hear led zeppelin, listen to 'physical graphiti'
04:14 < Mercster> i believe its release year was 1973-1974
04:14 < Mercster> if you're ever curious
04:14 < Mercster> it's the best representation
04:15 < Mercster> it was released about 2 years after the album you've heard on the radio
04:15 <@TheLightCosine> actually, while the song itself is very nasty to Mr. Page, the band pointed out that they don't have any problems with led zepplin they were really just syaing "we're not led zepplin, we're ntohing li,ke them, so don't compare us to led zepplin"
04:15 < Mercster> i admire their desire not to be compared with led zeppelin
04:15 < Mercster> since any comparison would be doomed to failure
04:15 < Mercster> so good on them
04:16 <@TheLightCosine> it's a bad comaprison
04:16 <@TheLightCosine> one people insist on making with numerous bands
04:17 <@TheLightCosine> this beleif that all mdoern music is somehow derived from zepplin is fallacy
04:18 < Mercster> im not sure i would go that far; derivitive is a few steps away from 'influenced by'...but again, i consider led zeppelin to be the heart of rock and roll; im not alone, and any band that attempts to disparage their influence is either ignorant or just plain bad
04:18 <@maco> it's all derived from Chuck Berry, of course
04:18 < Mercster> so, again, i would urge you to listen to their album 'physical graphiti'
04:19 < Mercster> for a proper representation of what is the heart of modern rock and roll: it's hardcore blues
04:19 <@maco> Mercster wins
04:19 < Mercster> rock and roll doesnt exist in a vacuum, it is the blues
04:19 < Mercster> hard blues
04:19 < Mercster> and if you dont understand that, you just havent heard enough of it
04:19 < Mercster> that's all
04:19 <@maco> not even just rock n roll either
04:19 <@maco> reggae comes from rock steady comes from ska comes from jazz comes from blues
04:19 < Mercster> maco: absolutely correct
04:21 <@maco> i suppose hip hop probably comes from funk, which definitely goes back through the jazz/blues thing
04:21 <@maco> i say probably because the beats are similar
04:21 <@maco> at least it seems like it when you hear George Clinton & P-Funk live
04:21 < Mercster> it's a more derivitive branch, a little farther out and in fact older than 'the blues', but yeah
04:22 < Mercster> you cant deny the linkage
04:22 <@maco> so really, all modern music comes from blues
04:22 < Mercster> if you love rap but you hate miles davis, something is wrong
04:22 <@maco> haha
04:22 < Mercster> ;-)
04:22 <@maco> i prefer miles davis and am just fine ignoring the rap
04:22 < Mercster> i like it all, man
04:23 <@maco> well the top40 sort of rap
04:23 < Mercster> i listen to 2pac, bone thugz and harmony, outkast, miles davis, frank zappa, led zeppelin and the grateful dead
04:23 < Mercster> maco: yea admittedly rap sucks right now
04:23 < Mercster> a lot of the 90s shit was much better
04:23 <@maco> seriously, how many times do we have to hear about your car, its rims, and how many sluts you can fit in it?
04:24 < Mercster> eh
04:24 < Mercster> lyrical content i can look beyond, if the groove is solid
04:24 <@maco> haha just get the karaoke versions of albums
04:24 < Mercster> heh
04:24 < Mercster> reasonable
04:25 <@maco> you said "groove" and that is my cue to put on some Victor Woo10
04:26 <@maco> Soul Circus is a great album
04:26 < Mercster> dont think ive heard that
04:27 <@maco> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0NYQC_sCPs
04:28 <@TheLightCosine> http://www.wpri.com/dpp/news/strange_news/offbeat_wthi_terrehaute_islam_is_the_light_nintendo_0126200921532177991
04:28 <@TheLightCosine> hahaha
04:28 < Mercster> TheLightCosine: yea heard about that...wtf?
04:28 < Mercster> maco: huh, nice
04:28 <@TheLightCosine> yeah this is fucked up
04:28 < Mercster> maco: groove is right...
04:29 <@maco> TheLightCosine: weird
04:29 < Mercster> maco: you know who i respect the fuck out of? prince
04:29 <@maco> haha i love this bit "uh, bootsy collins play a sex machine. baby gimme some more"
04:30 < Mercster> maco: ROFL dude as you typed that, it was coming thru my speakers
04:30 < Mercster> booooootsy collins
04:30 < Mercster> i tip my hat to yoooooooou!
04:30 <@maco> well later its "what would bootsy say if he were here today?" "hey baby, i'm here!"
04:30 < Mercster> maco: you ever seen Prince shred on guitar?
04:30 <@maco> no
04:30 < Mercster> man
04:31 < Mercster> try to find some Prince on guitar
04:31 <@maco> when i was growing up he was a symbol, not Prince
04:31 < Mercster> live
04:31 < Mercster> he shreds dude
04:31 < Mercster> he fuckin shreds
04:31 < Mercster> with the best of them
04:31 < Mercster> and funk is not my favorite music
04:31 <@maco> if you like Prince, check out Hunter Revenge. its a little side-project by AFI's bassist who adores Prince
04:31 < Mercster> but ive seen him on guitar
04:31 < Mercster> and he's nuts
04:31 < Mercster> you wouldnt believe
04:31 < Mercster> you think of him as some kinda keyboard hero
04:31 < Mercster> but im  tellin you
04:31 < Mercster> Prince fuckin shreds dude
04:32 < Mercster> he'll make you blush
04:32 < Mercster> cuz you'd never believe
04:33 <@maco> Mercster: also awesome song from Soul Circus: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcIvXN4OFxY
04:33 < Mercster> maco: yea, nice bass
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04:53 <@TheLightCosine> zomg: http://www.newsweek.com/id/139334
04:53 <@TheLightCosine> why are people so bloody stupid
05:23 < Mercster> k
05:24  * Mercster yawns
05:32 <@maco> TheLightCosine: wow
05:33 < Mercster> May 30, 2008
05:33 < Mercster> you're late
05:36 <@TheLightCosine> it does not negate the stupidity
05:36 < Mercster> might mitigate it
05:37 < Mercster> hah, knox county schools closed today
05:37 < Mercster> light dusting of snow
05:38 < Mercster> children, rejoice
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05:46 <@TheLightCosine> fuckin netsplit
05:47 <@aestetix> Hmm.
05:47 <@aestetix> I have an ethical question.
05:47 <@TheLightCosine> yes?
05:47 <@aestetix> My company made me sign an NDA. Am I still bound to it if everything in the NDA is currently on a website that can be accessed by the general public?
05:48 <@aestetix> My former company, I should say. *grumbles*
05:48 <@TheLightCosine> legally speaking that would dependupon the wording of the NDA
05:48 <@aestetix> But you see what I'm saying.
05:48 <@aestetix> It's like.... trying to bind someone to not reveal classified information they know, after it's been declassified.
05:49 <@TheLightCosine> in that aprticular case they are no longer bound
05:49 <@TheLightCosine> but it may not work that way with your NDA
05:49 <@aestetix> Um.
05:49 <@aestetix> Ok. So let's say I publish a website with information on it.
05:49 <@aestetix> That everyone can see.
05:50 <@aestetix> And I tell my employees not to tell anyone what's on that websiite.
05:50 <@aestetix> That makes no sense.
05:50 <@TheLightCosine> no
05:50 <@TheLightCosine> but was the website already published when you signed the nda?
05:50 <@aestetix> No.
05:50 < Mercster> aestetix: are you asking people to defy common sense for you?
05:50 <@TheLightCosine> exactly
05:51 <@TheLightCosine> if it came down to it you could probably mount a good legal defense
05:51  * aestetix facepalms
05:51 < Mercster> facepalm yourself, kid
05:51 < Mercster> "d00d if 1+1=2 can i tell ppl that?!?!"
05:51 <@TheLightCosine> as lnog as everything you talked about was on the website
05:51 < Mercster> good job
05:51 <@aestetix> TheLightCosine: yeah.
05:52 <@aestetix> I mean, there is some stuff we had to drop out of the product, which I don't think is on the FAQ
05:52 <@TheLightCosine> but say the site says "We are working on project a"
05:52 <@aestetix> but most of it is
05:52 <@aestetix> No.
05:52 <@TheLightCosine> and you have inside knowledge of how they are doing project A, you couldn't talk about that
05:52 <@aestetix> The site clearly defines the features and tells you what they do.
05:52 <@aestetix> Oh well ssure.
05:53 <@TheLightCosine> they can build some tricky shit into those ndas tho
05:54 <@TheLightCosine> i got fucked over by an IP agreement once at one of my previous jobs
05:56 <@aestetix> hmm
05:56 < Mercster> i think it's about time for bed
05:56 <@TheLightCosine> lol
05:57 < Mercster> 6am
05:57 <@TheLightCosine> merc: when do you work?
05:58 < Mercster> im always workin' for the weekend
05:59 <@TheLightCosine> ?
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09:15 <@Corydon76-dig> http://www.lulu.com/content/4956212
09:15  * oddball impatiently waits for his new computer comes in so he can replace his dead linux box.
09:20 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
09:24 <@Dolemite> Anybody know what file controls the boot menu for Vista?  Apparently boot.ini isn't in c:\ like with previous versions.
09:24 <@TheLightCosine> oh
09:24 <@TheLightCosine> damnit i knew this
09:25 <@Dolemite> bcdedit
09:25 <@Dolemite> run as administrator
09:25 <@TheLightCosine> ah there you go
09:25 <@TheLightCosine> heh
09:25 <@Dolemite> but the article I'm reading says to download VistaBootPRO instead
09:26  * TheLightCosine just uses grub...
09:26 <@Dolemite> well I did a format on the drive before installing Vista, but it still comes up with a 30 second menu delay with an option to boot previous version...
09:30 < ware>  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txqiwrbYGrs
09:30 <@TheLightCosine> i made a terrifying discovery by accident today
09:31 <@m0j0-j0j0> not really a girl?
09:31 <@TheLightCosine> ware: wtf did they do to that kid lol?
09:32 < ware> got a tooth removed or something
09:32 <@TheLightCosine> lol
09:32 < ware> reminds me of somebody trippin' lol
09:32 <@TheLightCosine> m0j0-j0j0: no, my hairline has recceded like 3 inches
09:32 <@Dolemite> Ok, VistaBootPRO is a silly $10 app for people that are command line challenged
09:32 <@Dolemite> 'twas simple enough with bcdedit
09:32 <@m0j0-j0j0> off to work
09:32 <@TheLightCosine> ware: reminds me of someone egtting really really baked for the first time
09:33 <@m0j0-j0j0> TheLightCosine: that sux
09:34 <@TheLightCosine> yeah
09:34 <@Dolemite> Picked up a 1TB SATA-II drive for $85 last night
09:34 <@TheLightCosine> only at the corners tho
09:34 <@Dolemite> or rather, placed the order for it
09:34 <@TheLightCosine> i happened to push my hair back and noticed i was like "oh...shit"
09:34 <@m0j0-j0j0> ware: please behave.. I don't know what you're up to, but I can smell the blood in the water
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09:35 < ware> ha
09:36 <@TheLightCosine> ?
09:36 < ware> just trollin'
09:36 < ware> just fer da lulz
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09:50 < I-MOD> what's the deal with the OZ5 hotel info page?
09:53 <@Dolemite> Is there an OZ5?
09:53 < I-MOD> it would appear so
09:54 <@Dolemite> Well
09:54 <@Dolemite> Announcement to Mailing Lists:  Negative
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09:54 <@Dolemite> Hotel:  Negative
09:54 <@Dolemite> Speaker List:  Negative
09:55 <@Dolemite> Call for Presentations:  Negative
09:55 <@TheLightCosine> hrm if there's no OZ then i mgiht try to go to carolinacon
09:55 <@Dolemite> Website:  Positive
09:55 <@Dolemite> that's some funny logic there, I-MOD
09:56 <@Dolemite> I mean, I can toss up a website http://www.wareforemperor.com but it doesn't make it the truth ;)
09:56 <@TheLightCosine> w00t wareforemperor!
09:56  * I-MOD likes to use fuzzy logic
09:56 <@brimstone> ware's running for emperor?
09:57 <@Dolemite> brimstone : someone posted the URL, so it must be so!
09:58 < ware> \m/  d(-_-)b  \m/
09:58 <@Dolemite> ok, props for that ascii art
09:58 < ware> joo liek?
09:58 < ware> lol
09:59 < ware> my coffee has not kicked in yet
09:59 < ware> think im gonna hax on sharepoint all day
09:59 <@TheLightCosine> []D [] []\/[] []D
09:59 < ware> cuz i has that liberty
09:59 <@TheLightCosine> ugg sharepoint
10:00 < ware> used right its supposed to be an awesome data repo for medium businesses
10:00 <@Dolemite> our sharepoint is finally nice and speedy
10:00 < ware> but i havent seen what all it can do
10:01 < ware> that client that im replacing the ftp solution on may want it
10:01 < ware> so ima look into it
10:01 < ware> ...as soon as i wake up.
10:01 <@Dolemite> if the authentication isn't set right it will be slow as a mofo
10:01 <@Dolemite> we were initially using NTLM authentication and had to switch to LDAP because the DC's just couldn't keep up
10:02 < ware> interesting
10:02 <@Dolemite> yeah, I had thought it would be the other way around
10:02 < ware> right now sales guy is quoting them globalscape (cuteftp) sftp server
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10:03 < ware> coworker has been trying to get us to use sharepoint for project documents / client configs etc
10:03 < ware> and im at the point where it cant be worse than what we're using now
10:03 < ware> so i tries it out
10:03 <@Dolemite> it's actually very useful
10:04 <@Dolemite> but you really have to use IE to get the features out of it
10:04 <@Dolemite> it'll work fine with mozilla, but you don't get some of the features like saving back to sharepoint, wysiwyg editing, etc.
10:06 <@sdodson> ARGH I can't get solaris running in xen
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10:25 <@M0j0-j0j0> whores
10:26 < ware> Dolemite: IETab is awesome for that stuff
10:45 <@nachoguy> mr0nin
10:46 < ware> fucking hell
10:46 < ware> i have to drive all the fucking way out to bum fucking jamestown
10:46 < ware> to tell someone their bluescreening pc is dead
10:46 < ware> and they have to buy another
10:46 < ware> wthhhh
10:48 < ware> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=36.08906,-86.690369&daddr=jamestown,+tn&hl=en&geocode=&mra=dme&mrcr=0&mrsp=0&sz=9&sll=36.21458,-85.85699&sspn=1.732838,2.460938&ie=UTF8&z=9
10:48 < ware> ~300miles round trip, good fucking game
10:50 <@maco> ware: are you sure its dead?
10:50 <@maco> i fixed a bsod once by getting the dust that was really tightly stuffed into the heatsink out of it
10:51 <@Drag0n`> or just defraging the hard drive
10:51 <@M0j0-j0j0> tell them you used the remove administration module that runs in the back ground and that you can tell remotely that the machine is dead and they need a new one
10:54 < ware> im calling dude to try to get it going and on the network
10:54 < ware> fuck that drive
10:54 < ware> i wasnt gonna do anything today but tinker with sharepoint lol
11:02 < ware> blah. isnt even POSTing
11:02 < ware> so i get to drive out there to backup his music and pictures off his desktop~ wee
11:07 <@TheLightCosine> hehe i lvoe when i get job positing notifications na di have no idea what the posting iss even talking about
11:07 <@TheLightCosine> "Must have sigma-9 poly-process management experience"
11:07 <@TheLightCosine> like seriously "wtf are you talking about?"
11:16 <@polerin> maco: heh, I just cleaned out my heatsink.  whoooo..  It's like a small cat jumped in there and rubbed all over.
11:16 <@polerin> sigma-9?  really?
11:16 <@Drag0n`> if you dont know, your not qualified <g>
11:16 <@Drag0n`> i get gun references for sigma-9 on google
11:17 <@polerin> hehe
11:17 <@TheLightCosine> i made that up
11:17 <@TheLightCosine> =P
11:17 <@polerin> I think I was thinking of six-sigma
11:17 <@TheLightCosine> i was trying to come up with something definately fake so nobody could ruin my point by going "oh i know all about that"
11:17 <@polerin> and I think I had that confused with something similar
11:17 <@TheLightCosine> +P
11:17 <@polerin> lol
11:17 <@polerin> well
11:17 <@Drag0n`> hehe, better than the people asking for 10 years of Vista experience
11:17 <@TheLightCosine> 6-sigma probably
11:17 <@TheLightCosine> which is a amanagement certification
11:18 <@polerin> it sounds similar to what something my boss was describing, has the side effect of removing the exceptional to make things easier to manage
11:18 <@polerin> drop the horrible and the excelent, and all the sudden your choices are easier :P
11:19 <@Drag0n`> the peter principle?
11:19 <@polerin> not sure any more
11:20 <@polerin> It basicly made me go "Ugh.  no thanks" and so I forgot it
11:23 <@polerin> mph.
11:23 <@polerin> whatever.
12:09 <@sdodson> Hai,
12:09 <@sdodson> anyone run solaris on xen, kvm, vmware?
12:09 <@Drag0n`> why would anyone run solaris?
12:10 <@sdodson> Drag0n`: Because I need to. NOW ANSWER MY QUESTION!
12:10 <@sdodson> I don't want no jibbajabba
12:10 <@sdodson> xen < 3.2 seems to fail, kvm it installs but won't boot post install.
12:10 <@Drag0n`> nope, sorry. slowaris has its own form of VM, but never ran it on anything but raw hardware
12:11 <@sdodson> Drag0n`: kthnx, i shall let youknow how it goes
12:11 <@sdodson> i'll try vmware, it's the least desirable option here
12:12 <@Drag0n`> try ESXi, you will get the best results from it
12:13 <@sdodson> i don't know esx command line stuff
12:13 <@Drag0n`> it has a gui
12:13 <@sdodson> and I don't want to run windows just to manage my shizle
12:13 <@Drag0n`> wine is your friend
12:13 <@sdodson> the webui? suxxxxxxxxxx
12:13 <@sdodson> i don't think esxi has webui anyway
12:14 <@Drag0n`> it does, but its very limited
12:14 <@sdodson> Drag0n`: i'll try that if vmware server doesn't work
12:14 <@Drag0n`> k
12:14 <@sdodson> Drag0n`: so .NET and all that works within wine?
12:14 <@Drag0n`> i dont see why not
12:15 <@oddball> I'm actually looking into that right now.  My coworker is having issues with a programing that uses .net.
12:17 <@oddball> We're seriously considering replacing the aging XP boxes that our case managers use with eee Boxes running linux.
12:27 <@M0j0-j0j0> we're about to go back to solaris for our archiving solution because we are way to close to running out of inodes on our current system
12:32 <@tzanger> what's solaris go to to do with that
12:32 <@rhia> oddball: http://www.smitheeawards.com/   The annual ceremony celebrating the scintillatingly fabulous world of...
12:32 <@rhia> Bad Movies.
12:32 <@tzanger> sounds like a filesystem issue, not an OS one
12:34 <@Drag0n`> sounds like someone used a standard filesystem for a large filesystem and didnt look at a specialty filesystem, or formatted the filesystem wrong
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12:40 <@M0j0-j0j0> no, I'm pretty sure that everything was done right at the time...
12:40 <@M0j0-j0j0> we just didn't know that we would be growing this fast.
12:41 <@M0j0-j0j0> and with newspapers there is a ton of data to store... forever
12:41 <@Drag0n`> small files, small inode sizes, what filesystem did you use?
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12:46 <@M0j0-j0j0> most of our stuff is mounted ext3, but since all the archive stuff is mounted over nfs I can't tell what's really underneath (permission denied)
12:48 <@M0j0-j0j0> our network engineers are pretty good.. most of them spent a good amount of time at redhat so I figure they have more of a clue than I do :)
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12:49 <@Drag0n`> hmm, ext3 has its issues, especialy a lot of small files in one directory
12:49 <@Drag0n`> and over nfs is even worse
12:49 <@brimstone> like, 32k files right?
12:49 <@Drag0n`> yep
12:50 <@M0j0-j0j0> The solaris archiving solution they are looking at has some filesystem that is proprietary, but doesn't run into the situation we are in now for quite a while.
12:50 <@M0j0-j0j0> Drag0n: lots of small files like...all the images used in every store ever published to the web site of a newspaper :)
12:51 <@Drag0n`> looking for a open source solution now
12:52 <@brimstone> Drag0n`: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/moin/+bug/217191
12:52 <@brimstone> wiki.ubuntu.com crashed a while a go because of that "feature"
12:54 <@Drag0n`> you can look at XFS
12:54 < eryc> zfs also runs on osx, fbsd, and linux/fuse
12:55 <@M0j0-j0j0> I can't look at anything... that's for our network/hardware guys
12:55 <@Drag0n`> yeah, but a filesystem outside the kernel has major performance issues
12:57 <@M0j0-j0j0> if it was up to me we would have a million 486 DX4's sitting around bursting into flames whenever breaking news happens :)
12:57 <@Drag0n`> hehe, that would be a form of news too
12:59 <@nachoguy> news that defines news, you just created meta-news
12:59 <@M0j0-j0j0> "damn it.. we're serving too slow.. everyone... start up apache on your palm pilots"
12:59 <@Drag0n`> redundant array of inexpensive news servers
13:00 <@Drag0n`> it rains
13:01 < eryc> http://www.legorobotcomics.com/?id=12
13:02 <@M0j0-j0j0> they seem to know what they are doing... and they don't give me much grief about what I'm doing.. seems to be a healthy relationship
13:02 < eryc> Drag0n`: zfs is open source too
13:04 <@Drag0n`> not quite, its not gpl compatible, it uses the cddl license
13:05 < eryc> its open source
13:05 <@Drag0n`> "Porting ZFS to Linux is complicated by the fact that the GNU General Public License, which governs the Linux kernel, prohibits linking with code under certain licenses, such as CDDL, the license ZFS is released under"
13:05 < eryc> linux sucks anyway
13:05 <@Drag0n`> its only open in name, its like the open license microsoft has, its not truly open
13:06 < eryc> open source doesnt mean open license
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13:06 <@Drag0n`> ots not open if it has strings attached
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13:09 <@Drag0n`> you could run reiserfs, but its famous for killing the wife process
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13:10 <@M0j0-j0j0> fat12
13:10 <@M0j0-j0j0> if it ain't brok
13:10 <@M0j0-j0j0> e you can load it ac
13:11 <@M0j0-j0j0> ross tracks
13:11 <@Drag0n`> cp/mfs
13:12 <@Drag0n`> google file system, thats the answer
13:14 <@M0j0-j0j0> alright.. enough fartin around.. I've got some cross domain policies to violate
13:15 < eryc> gpl is a virus
13:17  * Drag0n` averts his eyes
13:18 <@Drag0n`> oh the huge manatee  http://farm1.static.flickr.com/2/1362599_02bcdea730.jpg?v=0
13:18 <@sdodson> eryc: it may be, but i'm fine with that
13:19 <@Drag0n`> if ext4 werent still considered beta, that would be a next step
13:19 <@Drag0n`> but the real issue is improper indexing and storage methods, technicaly, small images could be stored in a DB better than a filesystem
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13:20 < eryc> i dont believe you
13:21 < dc0de> eryc do you believe me?
13:21 < eryc> yes
13:21 <@Drag0n`> your belief is not requred
13:21 < dc0de> sorry Drag0n I was just wanting to know...
13:22 < dc0de> curious mind...
13:22 < dc0de> thank you eryc
13:22 <@Drag0n`> that wasnt directed at you dc0de, that was directed at eryc
13:29 <@Dagmar> We have disk now.  No one's really got a large collection of images that are smaller than one inode
13:31 <@Dagmar> THat reminds me I gotta email Neoteric and let him know I'm glad he's okay
13:42 <@nachoguy> why wouldn't he be ok?
13:43 <@Corydon76-dig> nachoguy: he was in a car accident... broken collarbone
13:43 <@nachoguy> damn
13:44 <@Drag0n`> what was the cause? was it his fault? weather? or another driver?
13:44 <@Corydon76-dig> Those questions all exceed my knowledge of the matter
13:44 <@ladymerlin> ice
13:44 <@Drag0n`> ahh
13:45 <@ladymerlin> dunno if another car was involved, but i do know ice was
13:57 <@Dagmar> ladymerlin: Ice.  Really.
13:57 <@Dagmar> I didn't hear a thing about ice.
13:57 <@ladymerlin> thats what he told me
13:58 <@ladymerlin> then again i think he was fully enjoying his pain meds at teh time he was talking to me lol
13:58 <@rhia> considering when it happened, ice seems plausible
14:00 < eryc> ice and a big curb
14:00 < eryc> ejected the engine
14:02 <@Dolemite> Speculation is that neoteric was trying to drift
14:06 < eryc> nah
14:12 <@Dagmar> So, someone would normally be driving so fast on ice that they could shear both motor mounts when the hting goes sideways?
14:12 <@Dagmar> Somehow... I'm thinking that's a cover
14:12 <@Dagmar> Either that or just as dumb as possibly trying to drift a front-wheel-drive car.
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14:24 <@polerin> I'm willing to accept either of those dag :P
14:27 < dc0de> sup polerin
14:27 <@polerin> hi dc0de :)
14:27 <@polerin> just working on interface flexibility :)
14:27 <@TheLightCosine> great
14:27 <@TheLightCosine> it will take that wifi card 3 days to get back to brooklyn
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14:28 <@TheLightCosine> then prolly 3 days to get the replacement
14:28 <@TheLightCosine> a whole extra week now i have to wait *sigh*
14:33 < dc0de> TheLightCosine what cards?
14:33 <@ShadowHntr> ladymerlin: wanna fill me in? who's in hospital?
14:33 <@ShadowHntr> oh
14:33 <@ladymerlin> noone
14:33 < dc0de> yeah, timball... he's out of the hospital
14:34 < dc0de> I woke him up at 11:00am yesterday, and he was LOOPY!
14:34 <@ShadowHntr> hehehe
14:34 <@ShadowHntr> there's nothing wrong with being loopy
14:34 <@ShadowHntr> it's being loopy at the wrong times that can be bad.
14:34 <@ShadowHntr> :]
14:34 < dc0de> 'specially when you have a valid prescription for it.
14:35 <@ShadowHntr> yeap
14:35 <@ShadowHntr> exactly
14:35 <@ShadowHntr> and use it correctly and as directed.
14:36 < dc0de> whaaa?
14:36 < dc0de> as directed? what if you're too loopy to understand what's directed?
14:37 <@ShadowHntr> ROFL
14:37 <@Dolemite> or too loopy to know not to drift in a front wheel drive?
14:37 < scud> can someone stimulant my package for me?
14:38 <@TheLightCosine> dcode: alfa wireless cards
14:38 <@ShadowHntr> Dolemite: if he was driving on his pain meds anyway, i don't care, he got what he deserved.
14:38 < dc0de> scud call the whitehouse... the marxist in charge should be able to help you.
14:38 < scud> it has a very short term ability
14:38 < dc0de> TheLightCosine damn... that sux
14:39 <@TheLightCosine> yeah
14:39 <@ladymerlin> ShadowHntr: he didnt have pain meds untill after the wreck
14:39 <@TheLightCosine> i was hoping to at least have it for the meeting on fri
14:40 <@ShadowHntr> ahhhh.
14:41 <@Dolemite> you don't need no stinkin' wifi card!
14:58 <@TheLightCosine> mmm buffalo wings
15:00 < dc0de> mmmm, buffalo wifi card wings...
15:02 <@Drag0n`> Buffalo WingFi card sauce
15:03 < dc0de> Dragon' mmmmm
15:03 < dc0de> cooked over an open antenna array
15:03 <@TheLightCosine> hehe
15:03 < dc0de> military wattage of course.
15:04 <@Drag0n`> with a side of CELL-phone-ery and ranch-protocol dip
15:05 < dc0de> I try to stay away from the ranch-protocol dip, it's actually made on horse ranches...
15:07 < dc0de> Have you tried the new Pineapple Phased Array Salsa?
15:08 <@Drag0n`> no, sounds good
15:09 < dc0de> well, you have to be careful with it... it tends to make you feel all "early warning"
15:12 <@Drag0n`> just watch out for the pins, you pull em out too early and they can get explosive?
15:14 < dc0de> damn, you're supposed to remove those first? I hope they don't break down in my upper GI.
15:15 < dc0de> that could lead to explosive diarreha?
15:15 <@Drag0n`> hence the explosive part
15:15 < dc0de> ahh, I guess I should have read the label FIRST...
15:16 <@Drag0n`> yep, always good to read the distructions before consuming
15:16 < dc0de> hrm... maybe a topic for a hackerspace...
15:16 < dc0de> :)
15:17 < dc0de> well, I'm off to run some errands, and then getting back online at home...
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15:34 <@rhia> http://p-userpic.livejournal.com/61742718/446406
15:40 < eryc> http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2009/02/dennys.html
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15:47 <@brimstone> rhia: nice
15:55 < ware> hehe
15:59 < eryc> OH SHIT
15:59 < eryc> TODAY IS NATIONAL CAPS DAY
16:00 <@sdodson> EVERYDAY IS CAPS DAY
16:00 < eryc> INORITE
16:00 < ware> http://www.engadget.com/2006/10/22/happy-international-caps-lock-day/
16:00 < ware> ur dumb
16:02 < eryc> THIS IS FOR AMERKA ONLY
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16:16 <@polerin> gr
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16:17 < polerin> faldjfasd
16:17 < polerin> ok
16:17 < polerin> this is pisisng me off.  I recently yoinked a nic from the box that was my gateway, now it's just a server behind a standard router
16:18 < polerin> the interface that was eth0 previously was configured via dhcp
16:18 < polerin> the new one is supposed to be static.
16:19 < polerin> this is debian btw.  /etc/network/interfaces is configured correctly for that interface (if I ifup or use /etc/init.d/networking restart) it configures correctly.
16:19 < polerin> but every day dhclient is dropping the ip and grabbing a new one from the router.  Ideas?
16:22 <@Drag0n`> is dhclient in the crontab? is it running as a service?
16:23 <@Drag0n`> if its running ad a daemon, it will override the setings
16:24 < polerin> Only thing I see DHCP wise in the init.d directory is dhcpd, checking crontab
16:24 <@Drag0n`> is it in /etc/cron.daily?
16:25 <@Drag0n`> or running from ps -A |grep dhcp
16:25 <@brimstone> polerin: is it a nice round number like every 12 hours it gets a new ip?
16:25 < polerin> yeah it's right around 24
16:26 < polerin> Drag0n`: nothing showing in the ps, and I don't see anything in the daily
16:26 <@Drag0n`> hmm, whats the dhcp lease timeout?
16:26 <@brimstone> could try leaving it run in screen overnight?
16:27 < polerin> brimstone: I just dropped because of it a second ago
16:27 <@Drag0n`> should be a dhclient log in /var/log somewhere
16:28 < polerin> yeah
16:28 < polerin> I saw a dhclient.eth0.pid in /var/run as well
16:29 < eryc> u sure its not running
16:29 <@sdodson> oh that's hot, I just got ESX kickstarting, using cobbler
16:29 < sync350> polerin: in the term type 'ps ax|grep dhclient'
16:29 < polerin> sync350: I'm not a complete moron.
16:30 < sync350> lol
16:30 < sync350> :)
16:30 < polerin> wasn't running as root in that term, it's there
16:30 < sync350> sorry, I forgot this was #se2600, thought I was typing in #linux :P
16:31 < polerin> :P
16:31 < polerin> I try not to stupid questions in here unless I've beaten my head against the stupid for a bit
16:31 < sync350> lol yeah, I know what you mean
16:32 <@sdodson> polerin: try harder, you're failing
16:32 < polerin> sdodson: aparently so
16:32 < polerin> then again, I'm not a system admin for a reason :P
16:32 < polerin>  977 ?        Ss     0:00 dhclient -e -pf /var/run/dhclient.eth0.pid -lf /var/lib/dhcp/dhclient.eth0.leases eth0
16:32 < polerin>  extended info for it
16:34 < eryc> keeeeel
16:34 < polerin> there is no dhclient.eth0.leases ... I deleted that hoping that it dhclient was just checking that and freaking out because it was an old lease
16:34 < polerin> eryc: yeah but where is it being started :P
16:35 < eryc> pstree |grep -B2 dhclient
16:35 < eryc> heh
16:35 < eryc> actually what is the parent pid
16:35 < eryc> its probaby init
16:35 < polerin> little late for that :P
16:35 < polerin> I killed it awhile ago
16:36 < eryc> nothing in cron.daily?
16:37 < polerin> mmph... the only thing I see is posisbly netkit-inetd
16:37 < polerin> unless it's in standard or bsdmainutils, which doesn't seem right
16:38 < polerin> nope
16:39 < eryc> i suggest you delete dhclient then
16:40 < polerin> eh.  Moved the executable.  I'll check the logs a day or two and see if I can see something about dhclient not being found
16:40 < polerin> trace it down that way
16:40 <@nachoguy> sdodson, shiny!  the ESX thing, I mean
16:47 <@TheLightCosine> hahaha
16:48 <@TheLightCosine> that's amazing this antivirus software launched from the interwebs and started scanning windows for me...too bad i'm in linux ! lol
16:48 < eryc> what is it java
16:49 <@TheLightCosine> it's that stupid anti-virus 360 scareware shit
16:49 <@TheLightCosine> =P
16:54 <@Drag0n`> omgwtf, yooz been infected, klick h33r to clean yur cernal
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17:00 <@TheLightCosine> draon: heh well the really retarded part was it had all windows screens
17:00 <@TheLightCosine> lol
17:00 <@TheLightCosine> looks a it out of place in my jet black gnome ;)
17:04 <@Drag0n`> yep
17:08 <@M0j0-j0j0> so.. does anyone know how to read the headers off a sourced in javascript request
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17:08 <@M0j0-j0j0> jsonp is almost getting me what I want, but the simple truth is that I'm really obviously doing something they don't want people doing
17:09 <@nachoguy> Billy would be your best bet, but he doesn't really IRC
17:09 <@nachoguy> or show up to Phreaknic 12
17:09 <@nachoguy> (Boooooooo!)
17:10 <@TheLightCosine> hrm i can't get the damn sound to work in ubuntu on this lap
17:22 < eryc> you want the client to know what headers it sent for an ajax call?
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17:24 < eryc> dude
17:24 < eryc> if apple doesnt release push for iphone and releases a new iphone instead im going to be pissed
17:26 <@brimstone> i will laugh
17:26 < Falun|home> as will I
17:26 <@Drag0n`> i will not be surprised
17:27 < Falun|home> are the rumored to be releasing a new iphone soon?
17:27 < Falun|home> they*
17:27 < eryc> ya in june
17:27 <@brimstone> http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2009/02/iphone_4g_concept.html
17:27 <@Drag0n`> theres roumors of an iphone nano
17:27 < eryc> no nano
17:28 <@scoil> that's dum
17:35 <@oddball> I'll believe apple puts out a mobile device with a removable battery when I see it.
17:40 <@brimstone> oddball: yeah, that concept is pretty far off
17:41 <@oddball> I'm tired of seeing people posting "concepts" that are from some random guy that has no connection to the manufacturer.
17:42 <@Dementia> My iBook has a removable battery... :)
17:42  * Dementia ducks
17:42 <@oddball> and the new ones do not
17:42 <@Dementia> srsly?
17:42 <@oddball> But, yeah, I meant the small mobile devices... ipods, iphones...
17:43 <@Dementia> I know. bein a smartass
17:43 <@oddball> Yep, the shiny new metal ones don't have removable batteries.
17:43 <@oddball> You? a smartass? never!
17:43 <@Dementia> I think the cold just makes me more of one.
17:44 <@oddball> I just want to see 2 things: a micro-SD card slot, and tethering capabilities.
17:45 <@brimstone> none of the ipods ever had any expansion slot, so i don't see that happening ever
17:45 <@Dementia> I was sitting in an OCR for mail pieces demo today and it was pretty damn cool. I made a happy sound at one of the features, and everyone in the room was startled. They apparently have never seen me pleased at anything.
17:45 <@brimstone> tethering, maybe
17:45 <@Dementia> I think they think I'm a real grump.
17:45 <@TheLightCosine> lol
17:46 <@oddball> brimstone, Yeah, of course, on the other hand, they have enough on-board memory that it's not a big deal.
17:46 <@brimstone> yeah, with 16 and 32 being the minimum now
17:50 <@M0j0-j0j0> craig's list?  How the hell is he and why would I want to put my shit on his list
17:50 <@M0j0-j0j0> sounds creepy to me
17:51 <@brimstone> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Time_100_Craig_Newmark_b.jpg
17:51 <@brimstone> looks kinda creepy to me
17:52 <@oddball> That and the loads of on board memory dramatically improves web browsing.
17:53 <@Corydon76-dig> brimstone: don't most geeks look creepy when you stick them in front of a bunch of cameras and lights?
17:53 <@brimstone> aye
17:53  * M0j0-j0j0 looks the sexy
17:54 <@M0j0-j0j0> (if by sexy you mean short, fat, and old)
17:54 <@Corydon76-dig> You're not short
17:54 <@brimstone> hey, 2 out of 3 ain't bad
17:54 <@M0j0-j0j0> but as a wise man once told me... "some people like the dumpy guys"
17:55 <@M0j0-j0j0> Corydon76-dig: actually.. I think it was you that said that
17:55 <@M0j0-j0j0> :)
17:55 <@Corydon76-dig> I've never used the word "dumpy" in my life
17:56 <@M0j0-j0j0> yeah... okay
17:56 <@M0j0-j0j0> ;)
17:57 <@M0j0-j0j0> I'm headed out to get a bite to eat... ttys
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17:57 <@Corydon76-dig> Peaches likes old, fat guys
17:57 <@Corydon76-dig> Well, one in particular, anyway
17:58  * Corydon76-dig wonders who else got their taxes done already
17:59 <@Corydon76-dig> Ouch.  http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20090203
18:05 <@TheLightCosine> almost done corydon
18:05 <@TheLightCosine> waiting on one last w2 for my wife
18:06 < eryc> i got my refund
18:06 <@Corydon76-dig> I completed mine yesterday
18:07 <@rhia> ours are done, sitting on my desk
18:07 <@Corydon76-dig> TheLightCosine: did you use the standard sales tax deduction?
18:07 <@Corydon76-dig> You might want to start saving receipts.  My receipts were 50% greater than the deduction
18:08 <@TheLightCosine> no
18:08 <@TheLightCosine> heh
18:08 <@TheLightCosine> my father inlaw does our taxes =P
18:08 <@Corydon76-dig> and that's WITHOUT being creative
18:08 <@Corydon76-dig> If I got audited, I have receipts showing every single cent of that deduction.
18:09 < Iceknife> I do Corydon76.
18:09 < Iceknife> I had my taxes done a few weeks ago
18:09 < Iceknife> It's nice to not have to worry about that crap. I have enough to worry about.
18:10 <@Corydon76-dig> Iceknife: I had to wait until yesterday, as that's when my broker got me my last tax forms
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18:11 < Iceknife> ah yeah. None the less they are done, now you get to watch everyone else sweat it.
18:11 < Iceknife> yeah you'll be amazed how much money you spend if you save your receipts.
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18:28 <@Corydon76-dig> Iceknife: State income tax in Missouri is lower than sales tax receipts?
18:30 < Iceknife> Corydon76 I have no idea..... I just take my stuff in and go here do this.
18:30 <@Corydon76-dig> Heh
18:31 < Iceknife> they figure it up, this year we actually got a good refund.
18:31 < Iceknife> when we usually end up owing a little bit.
18:31 < Iceknife> Only difference was we kept receipts for EVERYTHING.
18:31 <@Corydon76-dig> I did, too, but that's only because I took some losses on the stock market
18:31 < Iceknife> before we always just claimed standard deduction.
18:31 < Iceknife> I paid a big chunk into retirement this year, that helped out a lot.
18:31 <@Corydon76-dig> Heh, I do my own taxes, pretty much
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18:32 <@Corydon76-dig> though I use an online service for the efile advantage...
18:33 < Iceknife> We get our taxes done by our investor. His wife is a tax advisor so I just let her do them. She is cheap and fast.
18:33 < Iceknife> Plus if we get audited ever she will take care of it.
18:33 <@Corydon76-dig> I'm not afraid of being audited.  Having receipts for everything is a clear advantage
18:34 <@Corydon76-dig> In fact, I tend to find other receipts in the meantime, so if they audited me, they'd probably end up having to give me a BIGGER refund
18:35 <@Corydon76-dig> talk about disincentive
18:36 <@rhia> http://richardwiseman.wordpress.com/2009/02/03/tuesday-puzzle/
18:36 <@rhia> sigh - wrong window
18:36 < Iceknife> Well I got audited a few years back. That is why I no longer end up doing my taxes.
18:37 < Iceknife> I ended up owing about $1200 because student loans weren't done right.
18:37 < Iceknife> so it wasn't bad, them goign back 7 years and them only finding two issues on in 2003 and on in 2004 and with all the fines owing 1200.. the fees were almost 800 of the 1200.
18:38 <@TheLightCosine> ahhh so there is an oz5
18:39 <@Corydon76-dig> TheLightCosine: yep, just got my room reservation
18:39 <@TheLightCosine> now i'll prolly have to decide if i wanna try to go to that or carolinacon
18:39 <@TheLightCosine> i may not be able to afford either but i almsot certainly can't afford both
18:40 <@Corydon76-dig> TheLightCosine: you could always double up with somebody
18:40 <@Corydon76-dig> I'd suggest my room, but Peaches likes to sleep in the buff
18:41 <@TheLightCosine> lol
18:41 <@TheLightCosine> down boys =P
18:41 <@Corydon76-dig> No, I meant that in previous years, when I didn't do that, it was probably a bit less threatening to share a room with me
18:42 <@TheLightCosine> ohhhh heh
18:42 <@Corydon76-dig> Besides, Peaches doesn't share.
18:43 <@TheLightCosine> the carolinacon's speaker schedule looks really impressive...*sigh*
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18:57  * Drag0n` snuzzles rhia close
18:58 <@Drag0n`> heading home now
18:58  * rhia snuggles Drag0n 
18:58 <@Drag0n`> oops, wrong tab
18:58 <@Corydon76-dig> sure, sure
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20:08 <@Evilpig> damnit. I have a website name I want to run past y'all.  but I know one of you would buy it to spite me
20:08 <@Corydon76-dig> awesome-blow.jobs ?
20:09 <@Evilpig> oh dear god.  who sells .jobs names.  that would be hilarious
20:11 < eryc> why dont you whisper it to me
20:11 <@Corydon76-dig> Evilpig: it's a standard TLD.  But they are expensive
20:12 <@Corydon76-dig> $120 per year
20:13 <@Dagmar> ...and they've probably got a provision in the TOS that would allow them to steal the domain back once they realized someone was making something of it.
20:14 < eryc> yea you cant do shit with it
20:20 <@Corydon76-dig> Well, unless you start a company named Awesome Blow and register awesome-blow.com
20:20 <@Corydon76-dig> Yeah, I think their restriction is silly
20:20 <@Corydon76-dig> Evilpig: what's the domain?
20:21 <@Corydon76-dig> (now that I've hijacked the discussion)
20:21 <@Evilpig> wedontsellpr0n
20:21 <@Evilpig> .com
20:21 <@Corydon76-dig> You're planning on making sure this gets blacklisted automatically?
20:21 <@Evilpig> nah
20:22 <@Evilpig> but I am setting a shell hosting / website
20:22 <@Corydon76-dig> because the domain name is sure to trigger that
20:22 <@Evilpig> it is gonna be a webhosting company
20:22 <@Evilpig> but it has to be 10 levels removed from my company
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20:24 <@Corydon76-dig> Just curious... why no porn hosting?
20:24 <@Corydon76-dig> Ask MaxieZ... it's a very lucrative market
20:25 <@Corydon76-dig> www.pigontheprowl.com
20:25 <@Evilpig> just thinking up funny names for sites
20:25 <@Evilpig> ironcladalibi.net
20:25 <@brimstone> NotYourMothers.com
20:25 <@Evilpig>  notthedroidsyourelookingfor.com
20:25 <@Evilpig> hidetheserver.com
20:25 <@brimstone> aww, i don't like hidetheserver
20:25 <@Evilpig> ithoughtofthattoo.com
20:25 <@Dagmar> notthedroidsyourelookingfor.com <<-- LucasFilm will get you
20:26 <@Corydon76-dig> hidetheharvester.com
20:26 <@Dagmar> Cyantist used to own that one
20:28 <@Dagmar> Astonisingly, babyinabag.com is taken
20:29 <@Evilpig> hidethegoldfish.com
20:29 <@Dagmar> zombiecaylee.com however, is not
20:30 <@Dagmar> Someone registered hanganigger.com
20:31 <@Evilpig> shadyhosting.com
20:41 <@Corydon76-dig> Dagmar: registered by a company in Texas, no less
20:42 <@Corydon76-dig> However, hangatexasredneck.com is available
20:42 <@Dagmar> I'm mainly peeved that NAACP is squatting on nigger.com
20:43 <@scoil> idc
20:43 <@Corydon76-dig> although... hanganigger.com may be simply a registration designed to prevent real rednecks from acquiring it
20:45 < eryc> saveaniggerhangajew.com is available
20:45 < eryc> i assume
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21:09 <@m0j0-j0j0> sup mgalgoci
21:10 <@mgalgoci> werd
21:10 <@mgalgoci> we have snow flurries
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21:10 <@mgalgoci> EVERYBODY PANIC!!!
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21:10 <@Catonic> Stop. Pajama time.
21:12 <@Catonic> what's up y'all?
21:12 <@m0j0-j0j0> I'm getting the pit part of my arm pit
21:14 <@m0j0-j0j0> i dont think its snowing here yet
21:15 <@sdodson> mgalgoci: PLZ SEND OUTAGE NOTICE SNOW IS HERE!
21:16 <@mgalgoci> TEH SNOWZ: NETWERKZ R DOWN!!
21:16  * mgalgoci loads the code to drop every three packets
21:17  * sdodson is reminded to test vpn
21:18 <@m0j0-j0j0> we used to get emergency pages to come sweep snow and ice of the satellites.
21:19 <@m0j0-j0j0> s/of/off
21:19 <@sdodson> m0j0-j0j0: I thought you guys ran internets. Why do satellites matter?
21:20 <@m0j0-j0j0> we used to get all the AP and wirefeeds off a dish to a 9600bps modem to a qnix timeslice box
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21:23 <@m0j0-j0j0> 9600bps was really fast back then
21:23 <@mgalgoci> my first modem was 2400 baud
21:23  * sdodson perfectly fine admitting he's never used anything slower than 28.8
21:23 <@mgalgoci> then I went to 28.8k
21:23 <@Corydon76-dig> mgalgoci: ditto... 2400 was my first as well
21:23 <@m0j0-j0j0> 110bps was the standard when I started
21:24 <@sdodson> It'd funny listening to kids that are like 20 talking about old modems though knowing they're feeding you a complete line of shit.
21:24 <@mgalgoci> one of the originals red hat people told me ftp.redhat.com used to run off a 28.8k modem
21:24 <@Corydon76-dig> though I only got 2400 because the @%^&*&^* salesperson told me my computer wouldn't do 14400
21:24 <@mgalgoci> I believe him
21:24 <@sdodson> mgalgoci: how many people were there when you started?
21:24 <@mgalgoci> 73
21:25 <@sdodson> mgalgoci: where'd you start?
21:25 <@mgalgoci> "support"
21:25 <@mgalgoci> answering reg emails part time
21:25 <@mgalgoci> I was a poor student
21:26 <@Corydon76-dig> mgalgoci: how did you decide to move from development to system administration?
21:26 <@mgalgoci> I wasn't in development, ever
21:26 <@mgalgoci> I went support -> IT
21:27 <@mgalgoci> but I've done casual development on random stuff over the years
21:27 <@Corydon76-dig> Ah, interesting
21:27 <@sdodson> support4life!
21:27 <@Corydon76-dig> You don't find many sysadmins, in my experience, who get into development
21:27  * sdodson hopes not
21:28 <@mgalgoci> I'm a network engineer now
21:28 <@Corydon76-dig> I've found that the two activities require two different mindsets
21:28 <@mgalgoci> I'm on my third career
21:28 <@m0j0-j0j0> I wish they would change my departments name
21:28 <@sdodson> He disabled muh portz
21:28 <@mgalgoci> Corydon76-dig: exactly
21:28 <@mgalgoci> Corydon76-dig: many of them have child-like mindsets
21:29 <@m0j0-j0j0> I think the dept name is "market services"
21:29 <@Corydon76-dig> I've reluctantly done sysadmin work... I'm still asked from time-to-time, just not at the company where I'm presently employed
21:29 <@Corydon76-dig> mgalgoci: which "them"?
21:29 <@mgalgoci> the best developers I've worked with were formerly sysadmins
21:29 <@mgalgoci> Corydon76-dig: developers
21:29 <@Corydon76-dig> Heh
21:29 <@sdodson> Well managed systems are managed programatically anyway.
21:29 <@Corydon76-dig> You're talking about prima donnas
21:30 <@m0j0-j0j0> I used to be a system admin
21:30 <@m0j0-j0j0> and network admin
21:30 <@mgalgoci> most of the ones that have never done time as an SA are primadonnas
21:30 <@brimstone> "done time"
21:30 <@mgalgoci> take ulrich drepper
21:30 <@mgalgoci> he was a sysadmin in college
21:30 <@mgalgoci> there's a mutual respect
21:31 <@mgalgoci> same with alan cox
21:31 <@mgalgoci> who moved on recently but that's another story
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21:31 <@Corydon76-dig> I think some of that comes with age and experience, too
21:31 <@m0j0-j0j0> I used to be a engine developer, but I think I'm happiest doing what I am now which is more debugging the engine code and doing the non-engine code stuff
21:31 <@sdodson> Alan is very diplomatic.
21:31 <@mgalgoci> Alan is a politician
21:31 <@mgalgoci> :)
21:31 <@sdodson> ya
21:31 <@mgalgoci> I've been stabbed with a dinner fork by alan once
21:32 <@mgalgoci> I reached across the table at a large gathering
21:32 <@mgalgoci> *jab*
21:32 <@Corydon76-dig> Hah
21:32 <@mgalgoci> ulrich is awsome to work with
21:33 <@mgalgoci> esp if you find a glibc bug :)
21:33 <@sdodson> I don't know many people in engineering, but it seems that folks that come through support seem to be easier to work with, or atleast more willing to give people in support their time.
21:34 <@mgalgoci> yeah
21:34 <@Corydon76-dig> sdodson: probably
21:34 <@Corydon76-dig> sdodson: broaden the statement a little, though
21:34 <@Corydon76-dig> People who have dealt with idiots are likely to help out people who have to deal with idiots
21:35 <@m0j0-j0j0> sdodson: I think that deepends on the culture of the company
21:35 <@Corydon76-dig> s/idiots/users/
21:35 <@sdodson> Or people who have spent weekends debugging problems for angry wall st. customers are more willing to help out support people when they're doing the same.
21:36 <@Corydon76-dig> I don't know how we do it, but even the programmers who are right out of college aren't prima donnas
21:36 <@Corydon76-dig> at least, at Digium
21:37 <@mgalgoci> you'd be surprised
21:37 <@Corydon76-dig> Maybe they've all done support in college
21:37 <@Corydon76-dig> mgalgoci: I'm probably the biggest prima donna at Digium
21:37 <@Corydon76-dig> Well, in swdev, anyway
21:37 <@m0j0-j0j0> if engine developers won't work with "market services" (my dept) or "member services" (our support dept) they won't last long
21:38 <@mgalgoci> m0j0-j0j0: where's that @ ?
21:38 <@m0j0-j0j0> mcclatchyinteractive
21:39 <@mgalgoci> ghesundtits
21:39 <@Corydon76-dig> mgalgoci: and I'm the one teaching classes to support people
21:40 <@m0j0-j0j0> the engine developers understand that market services are their largest customer so they have to support us
21:41 <@m0j0-j0j0> we understand that member services is out biggest customer so we do everything we can to make their lives easier
21:41 <@mgalgoci> Corydon76-dig: is asterix any good at being a glorified answering machine for a home user with a single pstn?
21:42 <@mgalgoci> or do you have to have some kind of multichannel pstn interface for it to be of value?
21:42 <@mgalgoci> ie, sing/dual isdn or t1
21:42 <@m0j0-j0j0> "hello, have your restarted your computer yet?"
21:43 <@brimstone> "hello, have you tried turning it off and back on again?"
21:43 <@mgalgoci> m0j0-j0j0: is your computer running??
21:43 <@mgalgoci> YOU BETTER GO CATCH IT!!
21:43 <@sdodson> The range of skills of our customers is quite amazing.
21:43 <@m0j0-j0j0> brimstone: you ever see The IT Crowd?
21:44 <@Corydon76-dig> mgalgoci: Asterisk is fine for a glorified answering machine.  I have a machine at home doing just that
21:44 <@mgalgoci> using an intel winmodem?
21:44 <@Corydon76-dig> Basically, yes
21:45 <@mgalgoci> eg soundcard wired to a pstn?
21:45 <@Corydon76-dig> Well, full duplex, anyway
21:45 <@brimstone> m0j0-j0j0: every single episode
21:45 <@Corydon76-dig> Number one issue with winmodems back in the day was finding one which was full duplex
21:46 <@m0j0-j0j0> brimstone: the one with the Employee of the Month was off the chain.. I think I pissed myself watching it
21:47 <@brimstone> 02x01 is still my favorite, hands down
21:47 <@m0j0-j0j0> which was that?
21:48 <@mgalgoci> Corydon76-dig: I'd imagine that most modern intel modems are full duplex no?
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21:48 <@Corydon76-dig> mgalgoci: you'd be surprised
21:48 <@Corydon76-dig> Well, the Intel ones are mostly good
21:48 <@Corydon76-dig> but other brands tend to be half duplex
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21:50 <@Corydon76-dig> The other issue with the winmodems are that, depending upon your local loop, you could get some fairly nasty echo that is not fixable by the included ECs
21:50 <@m0j0-j0j0> brimstone: I dont know that I saw that one
21:51 <@Corydon76-dig> Some local loops have no problem; others are AWFUL
21:55 <@dasunt> http://ihasahotdog.com/2008/12/30/cute-puppy-pictures-to-teh-v-e-t-dat-spellz-walk/
21:57 <@sdodson> http://sdodson.com/1.00002.jpg
21:58 <@brimstone> fluffy, destroyer of worlds
21:58 <@sdodson> brimstone: Ya, mostly destroyer of my clean clothes pile
21:59 <@mgalgoci> sdodson: http://clusterfsck.org/~mgalgoci/anarchists-cookbook.png
22:00 <@sdodson> mgalgoci is straight up harcore gangster
22:01 <@Corydon76-dig> That's "gangsta"
22:01 <@sdodson> my bad dawg
22:02 <@mgalgoci> http://clusterfsck.org/~mgalgoci/ak47/img_0146.jpg
22:02 <@mgalgoci> :)
22:03 <@mgalgoci> I even did a gay unboxing photo shoot
22:04 <@sdodson> unboxings are sooo 2003, the new hotness is a cost analysis on all the parts to show that your balls are so huge you can destroy your expensive toys just to find out how much they cost
22:05 <@mgalgoci> I can disassemble it
22:05 <@sdodson> you'd probably get along well with my friend that runs http://boomershoot.org/
22:07 <@mgalgoci> yeah I probably would
22:07 <@mgalgoci> I have a nice mauser too
22:07 <@Corydon76-dig> mgalgoci: you need to compare collections with someninjamaster
22:08 <@mgalgoci> rhia is already jealous
22:09 <@sdodson> http://boomershoot.org/2005/KING5.wmv
22:12 <@dasunt> Weeeeeee!
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22:22  * sdodson nominates "Tho' it's winter, for some reason I'm thinking of a summer's eve." for best obscure jab of the day
22:24 <@dasunt> It was -5°F on my morning bike ride to work.
22:24 <@dasunt> Funnerz.
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22:30 <@Corydon76-dig> http://www.axiontech.com/prdt.php?item=77865  SFW
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22:31 <@sdodson> http://cakewrecks.blogspot.com/2009/01/presidential-sweet.html
22:34 <@sdodson> hah, trying to figure out what channel the hockey game is on, so I search twcnc.com's listings for "hockey"  second listing is "Horny Hockey Moms Getting it on"
22:41 <@m0j0-j0j0> and "Happy Scrappy Hero Pup"
22:51 < ware> wee.
22:51 < ware> car broke!
22:52 < ware> 2hrs in the 15F cold
22:52 <@Corydon76-dig> ware: took that long to get a tow?
22:53 < ware> its still out in cookeville
22:53 <@Corydon76-dig> ouch
22:53 < ware> dad is my mechanic / tow service
22:53 < ware> apparently busted a hose in the coolant system
22:54 < ware> should be an easy fix but i gotta take a day off work tomorrow to work on it
22:54 <@Corydon76-dig> You need coolant in this weather?  j/k
22:54 < ware> haha yeah i know right
22:57 <@scoil> ;;;;;;;;;;p;;;;;;;;;
22:58 < Mercster> ware: is this the car you just bought from your dad?
22:59 < ware> yeeuupp
22:59 <@m0j0-j0j0> you got screwed
22:59 <@m0j0-j0j0> by your dad
22:59 < ware> it hasnt been driven regularly in 4 months tho
22:59 < ware> so things like this are to be expected
22:59 < ware> and i took it 200 miles today
22:59 < ware> should just be a rubber hose to replace
23:01 <@m0j0-j0j0> night folks.. if I'm going to defy western medicine first thing in the morning I need my rest
23:03 <@brimstone> western medicine?
23:03 < ware> weed i think
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23:05 < someninjamaster> mgalgoci: nice saiga
23:05 < someninjamaster> .308 or 39
23:29 <@aestetix> dongz
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23:30 <@sdodson> aestetix: stfu
23:31  * aestetix hugs sdodson 
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