--- Log opened Mon Jan 26 00:00:35 2009
00:16 <@aestetix> hey
00:16 <@aestetix> anyone around?
00:16 <@rhia> nope
00:17 <@aestetix> Anyone have recommendations for how to move a bunch of stuff across the country?
00:17 <@aestetix> Mostly boxes of books.... I don't think I actually will be moving any furniture now.
00:17 <@rhia> define "sutff"
00:17 <@aestetix> But let's assume like three things of furniture and about ten boxes or books or stuff.
00:18 < ware> aestetix: wee
00:18 < ware> staten == dumb shit
00:18 < ware> manhattan is awesome
00:18 <@aestetix> ware: yes, that is correct.
00:18 <@aestetix> ware: I'm back in NYC, btw.
00:18 <@rhia> spend 2 days researching movers - most good ones have a LOT of feedback online
00:19 < ware> werd
00:19 < ware> may goto manhattan again tomorrow to meet up with an irc buddy for a few drinks
00:19 <@aestetix> ware: when?
00:19 < ware> afternoon
00:19 < ware> depends on work
00:19 <@aestetix> where?
00:19 <@aestetix> Actually.
00:19 < ware> where in manhattan? durno
00:19 <@aestetix> You need to go to Barcade.
00:19 < ware> hes coming from brooklyn
00:20 <@rhia> aestetix: honestly - good movers have aton of good feedback
00:20 <@aestetix> rhia: ok.
00:20 <@aestetix> rhia: as in, they will come load my stuff into a truck and drive it across the coutnry?
00:20 <@aestetix> country*
00:20 <@rhia> aestetix: still - best, once you find one or two, meet the lead guy in person
00:21 < ware> could use a trucking company i would think
00:21 <@rhia> aestetix: yeup
00:21 <@aestetix> Any idea how much that would normally cost?
00:21 <@dasunt> rhia is an insomniac.
00:21 <@rhia> find one that allows you to "Oversee" every tiny thing
00:21 <@aestetix> ok.
00:21 <@dasunt> You might be better off loading it all onto a pallet yourself.
00:22 <@rhia> aestetix: the good ones LUV that, the bad ones shy from it
00:22 <@dasunt> That way, you don't waste their time.
00:22 <@rhia> dasunt: yeah, and that carries what weight now?
00:22 <@dasunt> rhia: Dunno.
00:23 <@dasunt> Just offering the suggestion.
00:23 <@rhia> dasunt: not so much - if you load your own across country, a LOT of movers will NOT pay for the damages they inflict
00:23 <@dasunt> I'm not that familar with trucks & moving -- my family trucks, but not so much that.
00:23 <@rhia> dasunt: then shush <g>
00:23 <@dasunt> The only time I remember my father moving crap is for the US gov't, and they supplied the trailers.
00:24 <@rhia> we've moved ... gah, i don't want to count =(
00:24 <@dasunt> I've always moved myself.
00:24 <@aestetix> rhia: I'm in that club myself right now.
00:24 <@dasunt> Although my sis help drive after my divorce.
00:24 <@dasunt> :(
00:24  * dasunt can really recommend not getting divorced.
00:24 <@aestetix> Getting to the point where I hate moving.
00:24  * dasunt can also recommend not getting married.
00:25 <@rhia> aestetix: find one that will allow yiou to pack your own 'delicate' stuff and still cover it under their own insurance  yes, you'll have to sign off on your boxes, but they're still covered
00:25 <@aestetix> ok
00:26 <@rhia> pfft .... i've always moved myself, but my oldest has used moving companies - & i listen & learn
00:27 <@aestetix> rhia: it's more about time and energy.
00:27 <@aestetix> I've travelled so much lately it's zapped my energy, and my company is still demanding a lot.
00:27 <@aestetix> I can't afford to take a day or two and move things.
00:27 <@rhia> aestetix: $100-$200 more across country is worth it - how much would your electronics cost you to replace?
00:28 <@aestetix> That gets complex, because i have some company stuff.
00:28 <@aestetix> So I don't know.
00:29 <@rhia> aestetix: really, REALLY good companies are, quite literally, only a few hundred more - spend the 9-5 M-F to research them
00:31 <@rhia> i need to get a cat to the vet at 7 am - so i have to get afk - but .... research, they're out there - there is a TX one that will cover anywhere in the continental US for like... 40 bucks more?  ... take the time, research
00:31 <@rhia> g'nite, guys
00:32 <@rhia> dasunt: and yes, i do have insomnia - best i can do is try to mitigate it when i have to ...
00:32 <@rhia> g'nite, guys
00:35 <@rhia> dasunt: i may not sleep, but i'll get more rest rest prone than upright chatting with y'all all night so - g'nite
00:38 <@dasunt> :p
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07:09 < ware> wee
07:10 < MattThat> I'm so glad I called out.
07:10 < MattThat> Theres no way I would have made it.
07:11 <@dasunt> BRRRRRRRR!
07:11 < MattThat> This morning I feel like a quick formatted NTFS partition.
07:12 < MattThat> ugh
07:12 <@dasunt> -15°F wouldn't be so bad if I didn't get ice on my eyelashes.
07:12 <@dasunt> :(
07:12 < MattThat> 22F feels like 14F here
07:12 < MattThat> damn near summer by comparison to that
07:13 <@dasunt> 22F is nice.
07:13 <@dasunt> I cut my morning trip short, been trying to do >5 miles in winter on bike, went 3 this morning.
07:13 < MattThat> Its supposed to start snowing around 2am tomorrow, and do it for a while.
07:14 < MattThat> At least until 5am the next day, where tracking ends, says Weather.com
07:14 <@dasunt> On the plus side, I get awesome pictures from even brief rides.
07:15 < MattThat> THERE IS THE POTENTIAL FOR SEVERAL INCHES OF SNOW ACCUMULATION FROM NORTHEAST MARYLAND, THROUGH NORTHERN DELAWARE AND ACROSS THE PHILADELPHIA METROPOLITAN AREA EASTWARD THROUGH NEW JERSEY. ONCE THE SNOW CHANGES TO FREEZING RAIN AND SLEET, 1/4 INCH OF ICE COULD ACCUMULATE.
07:15 <@dasunt> http://www.ursine.ca/~dasunt/bike_frost_20090125_big.jpg
07:15 < MattThat> Sounds like fun is on the way!
07:15 < MattThat> 1/4 inch of ice?
07:15 < MattThat> hahaha
07:15 < MattThat> I love it.
07:16 < MattThat> We get ice in inches now.
07:16 <@dasunt> ¼" of ice?
07:16 <@dasunt> LOL, so Maryland is basically shut down, right?
07:16 < MattThat> No idea.  I'm in Joisey
07:16 < MattThat> Its just grey skies here.
07:16 < MattThat> Friday was my birthday, and work was too busy, so, I called out today.
07:17 <@dasunt> Paid off?
07:17 < MattThat> Shoulda prolly waited.
07:17 < MattThat> Might be home 2 more days with the weather.
07:17 < MattThat> Paid off?  Yeah.
07:17 < MattThat> <--- Unlimited sick
07:17 < MattThat> (paid sick)
07:17 <@dasunt> You hiring?  :p
07:17 < MattThat> Sure.
07:17 < MattThat> Move to New Jersey.
07:18 <@dasunt> Tempting...
07:18 < MattThat> They have 2 positions open.
07:18 <@dasunt> How are your bicycle commuting facilities and do you have good vegan restraunts?
07:18 < MattThat> They all pay shit.
07:18 <@dasunt> Oh.
07:18 <@dasunt> :(
07:18 < MattThat> Vegan food?  No idea.
07:18 < MattThat> Bike facilities?  No idea.
07:18 <@dasunt> So none.
07:18 <@dasunt> :(
07:19 < MattThat> They may have them, but like, in New Hope and Hopewell...
07:19 < MattThat> Where a large majority of the homosexual population has moved.
07:19 < MattThat> They certainly don't have a variety of them in South Jersey.
07:19 <@dasunt> Gawdamn gays, hogging all the liveability improvements.  :p
07:20 < MattThat> Well, remember, this is New Jersey...
07:20 <@dasunt> true.
07:20 <@dasunt>  How are the women out there?
07:20 < MattThat> You want all that fancy-shmancy shit, you need to go to NYC
07:20 <@dasunt> LOL!
07:20 < MattThat> We have Burger King and Wawa here.
07:20 <@dasunt> I have the best picture this morning.
07:20 < MattThat> Our version of fancy is like TGI Fridays
07:21 < MattThat> The women aren't work remarking about.
07:21 <@dasunt> :(
07:21 < MattThat> Most are "daddy-paid-for-everything" types who run around saying OMG-OMG-OMG
07:21 < MattThat> worth*
07:21 <@dasunt> That explains a lot.
07:22 < MattThat> Well, again, this is New Jersey, if you have any understanding of the tri-state this all should make sense.
07:22 < MattThat> New Jersey is where the people who've ripped every one else off in the city, move to, to enjoy the money.
07:22 < MattThat> As well as the dumb for New York's trash
07:22 < MattThat> Slash a dump for a variety of people who come spend their summers here
07:22 < MattThat> (as touristS)
07:22 <@dasunt> http://www.ursine.ca/~dasunt/morning_exercise_20090126.jpg
07:22 <@dasunt> I like the ice on my hat.
07:23 <@dasunt> That's only after 3 miles.  :p
07:23 < MattThat> Based on what you've cited as needs, I would tell you to move to London.
07:23 <@dasunt> I've heard good things about London.
07:23 <@dasunt> Amazingly, where I'm at (Minneapolis), its very bike and vegetarian friendly.
07:24 < MattThat> dasunt: Did you ever see Garden State?
07:24 <@dasunt> MattThat: Yep.
07:24 < MattThat> The movie...
07:24 < MattThat> Okay
07:24 < MattThat> Its weird like that, boring like that, it makes no sense like that, and the people are just ass odd, listening to strange indie music.
07:24 < MattThat> The only difference is, the girls look nothing like that, nor do the guys.
07:25 < MattThat> They're much, much less attractive -- myself included.
07:25 < MattThat> Thats New Jersey.
07:25 <@TheLightCosine> woah people talking!
07:26 < MattThat> dasunt: I'm originally from Philadelphia, so, moving here came with its own brand of culture shock.
07:26 <@dasunt> I've lived in North Dakota, Minnesota, and Tennesee.
07:26 <@dasunt> So there's some culture shock.
07:26 <@TheLightCosine> heh
07:27 < MattThat> I've lived in Tennessee, Washington State, California, Florida, Hawaii, New Jersey, New York and Pennsylvania
07:27 <@TheLightCosine> "i've been everywhere man.." =P
07:27 < MattThat> The strangest place by far: New Jersey
07:27 <@dasunt> I want to try Portland.
07:27 < MattThat> No contest.
07:28 <@dasunt> Supposed to be Minneapolis's equal for bicycle commuting.
07:28 <@TheLightCosine> jersey can be an odd place heh
07:28 < MattThat> I don't understand this zest for biking.
07:28 < MattThat> Its just biking.
07:28 <@TheLightCosine> I was born in NY and grew up in PA =P
07:28 < MattThat> You'd change where you live, based on its acceptance of biking?
07:28 <@dasunt> MattThat: It's good exercise and if you are within a few miles of work, its easier than driving.
07:29 < MattThat> dasunt: They make bikes that you don't need to go outside though.
07:29 < MattThat> So, its not really a factor anymore.
07:29 < MattThat> heh
07:29 <@dasunt> Inside bikes are boring.
07:29 <@dasunt> :p
07:29 <@dasunt> Also nobody is impressed if you do 150 miles on an indoor bike in a day.
07:29 < MattThat> Moving hundreds or thousands of miles, to find a different place to bike, is the opposite of boring.
07:29 < MattThat> Thats true.
07:30 < MattThat> But only because it involves HOURS of tireless work.
07:30 < MattThat> dasunt: You honestly think people are impressed by your outdoor biking?
07:30 < MattThat> I don't want to burst your bubble here, homie, but eh...
07:30 < MattThat> No one's impressed.
07:30 <@dasunt> :(
07:31 < MattThat> Its a bike.
07:31 <@dasunt> It's fun exercise.
07:31 <@dasunt> Well, in the summer.
07:31 < MattThat> I agree.
07:31 <@dasunt> In the winter, its more "fuck Minnesota, you aren't going to stop me" exercise.
07:31 < MattThat> Which is probably no more healthy than NOT exercising
07:31 < MattThat> but, whatever, hehehe.
07:32 <@dasunt> I disagree.
07:32 <@dasunt> If you don't dress for the exercise, yah, its less healthy than not exercising (unless hypothermia and frostbite have health benefits).
07:32 < MattThat> You don't think sweating through multi-layered clothes in sub zero temperatures, to ride a bike, is less healthy than using an indoor bike?
07:33 < MattThat> Thats actually how you breed the kind of bacteria that infect you with winter colds, etc.
07:33 <@dasunt> I don't really sweat when I bike, except around my torso.
07:34 <@dasunt> I could probably eliminate that sweat if I wanted to start out a little colder.
07:34 < MattThat> Then its not very good excersize after all.
07:34 < MattThat> exercise
07:34 <@dasunt> Nah, its cold out.
07:34 < MattThat> If you're properly insulated, you should sweat.
07:34 < MattThat> Thats how it worked.
07:34 < MattThat> works*
07:34 <@dasunt> MattThat: For cyclists, a lot of them go with the "bike at the speed where you are warm, not sweating"
07:35 <@dasunt> Because if you sweat and have to stop, you'll start to freeze.
07:35 < MattThat> If you're saying you "rev up" with work, and let the cold air cool you off through improper insulation, thats no better.
07:35 < MattThat> So, you don't do enough work to sweat?
07:35 < MattThat> *shrug* It's cool, I have no idea what you do at this point.  hehe
07:35 <@dasunt> MattThat: I don't get warm enough to sweat.
07:36 < MattThat> Enjoy your cycling.
07:36 <@dasunt> Not my legs, at least.
07:36 <@dasunt> I do pant though.
07:37 < MattThat> http://commutebybike.com/2006/11/01/how-to-dress-for-cold-weather/
07:37 < MattThat> You appear very overdressed in your picture.
07:38 <@dasunt> LOL!
07:38 <@dasunt> Dude, its -15°F right now.
07:38 <@dasunt> The lowest they go is 30°F.
07:38 < MattThat> Exactly.
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07:38 < MattThat> Now you're getting my point.
07:38 < MattThat> hahahaha
07:38 <@dasunt> They are wimps.
07:39 < MattThat> I can't win.  If I say you're over-dressed, you talk about how its sub zero.
07:39 < MattThat> Then you defend how good it is, being out in sub-zero.
07:39 <@dasunt> It could be worse.
07:39 <@dasunt> I could look like these folks:
07:39 <@brimstone> why are you trolling on a guy who likes to bike?
07:39 <@dasunt> http://www.mplsbikelove.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=1380&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=15
07:39 < MattThat> How? I could be talking with you about something more important and going in a circle?
07:40 < MattThat> brimstone: I'm not trolling at all.
07:40 <@dasunt> Oh, I also commute to work.
07:40 < MattThat> I'm having a different opinion than he does.
07:40 < MattThat> Its perfectly normal.
07:40 <@dasunt> Which involves going in a circle, but taking a 10 hour break or so.
07:41 <@dasunt> I love how "cold weather" starts at 60°F in your link.
07:41 <@rhia> dasunt: -15? and you're riding a bike to prove to a state that it won't stop you?  you do realize that, um, it's a _state_, right? <g>
07:41 <@dasunt> rhia: Yeppers.
07:42 < MattThat> rhia: Hey, hush all that trolling!?
07:42 < MattThat> What is this!?
07:42 <@dasunt> We're hardy folks up here, just not the brightest.  :p
07:42 <@rhia> don't think the geography cares, hehe
07:42 <@rhia> dasunt: hehehe
07:42 <@rhia> and y'all make fun of southerners <g>
07:43 <@rhia> just crazy in different ways
07:43 < MattThat> If you don't commit to sharing my every emotional layer right now, I'll bust it out.. trust me... "You're a troll" -- there... I did it.
07:44 < MattThat> dasunt: Well, good luck with it, bro.  I couldn't do it.  Because my brain would keep my body from going out to ride a bike in -15.
07:44 <@rhia> sigh - vet won't be in till after 8 - wasted a whole hr i could have stayed in a nice warm bed
07:45 < MattThat> I called out.
07:45 < MattThat> Worse symptoms ever...
07:45 < MattThat> I turned 30 on Friday.
07:45 < MattThat> Still waiting for the doctor to return my call.
07:48 < MattThat> dasunt: I went to bonfire the other night, when it was 7 degrees, and lasted 15 minutes.  To give you an idea of my ability to handle cold.
07:49 < MattThat> And that was in front of a fire.
07:50 <@dasunt> MattThat: You would not survive here.
07:50 <@dasunt> Admittedcly, you are in Jersey, so I wouldn't be surprised if you can't buy good winter gear.
07:53 < MattThat> I've dealt with what I would consider bad weather before.
07:54 < MattThat> In the early 90s, the tri-state was covered with inches of ice after a blizzard turned into 2 days of ice & sleet.
07:54 <@dasunt> The coldest I've dealt with is -40°F
07:54 < MattThat> But, I was a teenager then.
07:54 < MattThat> And the temperatures were rarely below 0.
07:54 <@rhia> silly yankees with all that white stuff floating around in the winter
07:54 < MattThat> hahaha
07:55 < MattThat> I think the worst snow acculation I've seen as more than a toddler is about 5.5 feet.
07:55 <@dasunt> LOL.
07:55 < MattThat> The winters follow my birth though there were some serious accumlations in the 6 ft range.
07:56 <@dasunt> It isn't warm enough here to get that sort of snow.
07:56 < MattThat> Well then unfortunately for me, I can get both.
07:56 <@rhia> parents used to drag us up to NY or Ohio every winter - been in deep snow, didn't much care for it, heh
07:57 < MattThat> Subzero temperatures and large accumulations of percipitation
07:57 < MattThat> My adversion to cold though goes back to the womb.
07:57 < MattThat> I laid on a particular side, which bothered my Mom, causing her to ease the muscle problems with a heating pad.
07:58 < MattThat> For the first 7 months of my life, if you took me out of the blanket, I screamed.
07:58 <@dasunt> LOL!
07:58 < MattThat> SCREAMED
07:58 < MattThat> heh
07:58 < MattThat> I still have that aversion to cold today.
07:59 <@dasunt> I try to deal with the weather.
07:59 <@dasunt> Be it freezing or hot.
07:59 < MattThat> Home Depot just announced another 7,000 layoff.
08:00 < MattThat> Thats 30,000 jobs since last week.
08:00 < MattThat> (announced anyway)
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08:01 < MattThat> We're losing jobs uber fast.
08:01 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
08:01 < MattThat> Good morning, Dolemite.
08:01 <@Dolemite> who that mattthat?
08:01 < ware> h4i p1mp d4ddy d0l3m1t3
08:01 <@Dolemite> er, mr0ning
08:01 < MattThat> <-- cerkit
08:01 < ware> jerkit
08:02 <@Dolemite> ah
08:02 <@Dolemite> warebe0tch : Tag any cougars this weekend?
08:02 < MattThat> Nobody important.
08:02 < ware> negatron
08:02 < ware> trips lesbian friends are no where near butch tho, very good lookin gals
08:02 <@Dolemite> ware : Not even Shadow404's mom?
08:02 < ware> and i noticed there are no fat people up here
08:02 < ware> since everybodys damn walkin all the time
08:03 <@Dolemite> oh are you still in NYC?
08:03 < MattThat> You have to be in shape in NYC-- How else will you escape the terrorists?
08:04 < ware> yuehp
08:04 < ware> til 2moro noonish
08:04 < ware> then we fly out
08:04 < ware> toured manhattan last night, very cool place
08:04 <@Dolemite> are you up there for work or for fun?
08:04 < MattThat> ware: You've never been to NYC?
08:04 < ware> nope
08:04 < MattThat> Wow.
08:04 < ware> Dolemite: both
08:04 < ware> primarily DC move tho
08:05 < MattThat> ware: What did you go see on your tour?
08:05 < ware> http://stonermoments.org/anadale-dc/
08:05 < ware> dats wut i did
08:05 <@Dolemite> ware : I was thinking that you were back in town and had gone snowboarding up at Perfect North again this weekend
08:05 < ware> times square, broadway, wall street
08:05 < MattThat> You found Wall Street?
08:05 < ware> subways trains taxis
08:05 < MattThat> Whats left?
08:05 < MattThat> hahaha
08:05 < ware> 9/11 site
08:06 < ware> youre awefully chatty for a cerkit
08:06 < ware> imposter
08:06 < MattThat> imposter?
08:06 < ware> it has been fun
08:06 <@dasunt> http://www.mcphee.com/items/11674.html <- This does not make sense.
08:06 < ware> i cupped the bulls balls
08:06 < ware> that meril-lynch statue thingy
08:06 < MattThat> I'm no imposter.
08:06 < ware> Dolemite: im going back to perfect north this upcoming weekend
08:07 < MattThat> I just haven't used the nick cerkit, anywhere but here, in like, a long time.
08:07 <@Dolemite> Super Bowl Weekend, eh?
08:07 < MattThat> So, it was time I changed it here too.
08:07 < ware> oh is it?
08:07 < ware> im not a big football fan so it dont really matter
08:07 <@dasunt> I should shower.
08:07 < ware> less ppl on the slopes  :D
08:07 < ware> MattThat: i dun believe joo
08:08 <@Dolemite> ware : Yeah, well, I doubt you'll miss much this year.  I just don't see Arizona as having a chance.
08:08 < MattThat> Thats fine.
08:09 < ware> when the titans lost i was eh whatever about it
08:10 < MattThat> I'm one of the crazies who thinks sports -- professionally televised sports -- are a huge waste of time, and a complete drag on GDP.
08:10 < MattThat> I would love to see them outlawed.
08:10 < MattThat> :)
08:10 < ware> Dolemite: we ate at the espn sports bar at times square yesterday
08:11 < ware> winter x-games started on thursday
08:11 < ware> so they had that going on some of the 14million tv's they had
08:12 < MattThat> I'm also from Philadelphia-- we haven't HAD a team worth follwing since the early 70s.
08:12 <@Dolemite> I was pulling for the Eagles in the NFC championship
08:13 < MattThat> Dolemite: You were wasting your time.  They're heart-breakers.
08:13 <@TheLightCosine> too bad philly teams all suck =P
08:13 < MattThat> Yes.
08:13 <@Dolemite> ware : I love watching the winter sports, but can't stand the snowmobile and motorbike stuff.
08:14 < MattThat> I just think about professional sports and get sick though.  Do you have any idea how much money is WASTED?
08:14 <@Dolemite> MattThat : I didn't have much invested in it - they were the default choice since I hate Kurt Warner.
08:14 < MattThat> They pay some players hundreds of millions of dollars.
08:14 <@Dolemite> Only in baseball
08:14 <@Dolemite> It's the only sport left without a salary cap
08:14 < MattThat> And, the uniforms, the branding, the televising, the endorsing, the stadium building, all the retail at the games
08:14 < MattThat> Salary cap?
08:15 < MattThat> pffft.
08:15 < MattThat> $9.50 = minimum wage -- thats a salary cap
08:15 < ware> Dolemite: aye, that stuff is slow
08:15 < MattThat> Guys paid millions to run on fields?
08:15 < MattThat> Not so much, bro.
08:15 < ware> and not really the same as skiing etc
08:15 <@Dolemite> Sports provide an outlet for relaxation.  As long as they are paid for by those who feel the need to spend their money attending, or spend their attention watching, that's fine.  I don't like it when taxes are raised to fund a new stadium or arena, as that's far from fair.
08:15 < MattThat> Dolemite: I prefer to take all that money and effort and roll it into something productive.
08:16 < MattThat> Research.
08:16 < MattThat> At the very least.
08:17 < MattThat> We have plenty of less wasteful ways to entertain ourselves.
08:17 < ware> and gambling
08:17 < ware> brb breakfast
08:17 < ware> WITH THE KING!
08:18 <@Dolemite> we do, but we have a right to entertain ourselves and spend our money however we want, so long as we don't harm others in the process
08:18 < MattThat> I'm not asking for anyone's rights to be taken away.
08:18 <@Dolemite> ware : Say hello to Brooke Banner for us
08:18 < MattThat> I'm asking for people to become mature enough to find more sound, less wasteful means of entertainment.
08:18 < MattThat> Kind of how the whole cigarette smoking thing is going...
08:19 < MattThat> Sure, I want people to be able to freely choose not to kill thesemlves.
08:19 <@Dolemite> Yeah, good luck with that
08:19 < MattThat> But I like to call it as I see it, and in the case of professional sporting, you have very much the same sort of dynamics.
08:20 < MattThat> Huge wasteful subcultures which support this purposeless drag on GDP.
08:21 < MattThat> To argue entertainment as a purpose, would be like arguing we should cut down the rain forest or some shit, for sources of paper. I think we have better developed technologies that replace the need for such activity.
08:22 < MattThat> But obviously, you're welcome to your beliefs, I would never, ever try to take your right to them away from you.
08:22 <@Dolemite> Well I do feel that there is a disparity in the monumental difference between what the sports stars make and what the average worker makes...   but there are also a lot of other people that the sports support, such as providing jobs in the front office, concessions, and physical training and therapy.
08:22 < MattThat> Dolemite: Right, but those same people could have jobs in a research industry that resulted in, lets say, an alternative energy.
08:23 < MattThat> They also need workers, stars and people in the front office, no?
08:23 <@Dolemite> They may or they may not, depending upon their willingness and ability to take on new skills.
08:23 < MattThat> And rather then recycable TV encounters, popcorn, hotdogs, etc
08:23 < MattThat> You get something of actual value.
08:23 <@Dolemite> But there is actual value in the cathartic experience of sports.
08:23 < MattThat> Dolemite: The point is, you don't get to choose those things.
08:23 <@Dolemite> It's just a value that you don't relate to.
08:24 < MattThat> Technology involves without your concent to accept it.
08:24 < MattThat> evolves*
08:24 < MattThat> sorry
08:25 < MattThat> What I'm saying is, CULTURE, not I, makes those ideas, the cathartic experience of sports, moot.
08:25 < MattThat> You can virtually PLAY the sport, as the very players you like, on a system with fractional processpower to beat MD5 (PS3?)
08:25 < MattThat> The risk vs. reward on the energy spendings alone makes sports moot.
08:28 < MattThat> *shrug*  My thinking is simply that the cathartic experience of sports, as valued by a bunch of hooting morons, who think they should even KEEP statistics about this type of nonsense, and who swill beer while watching half naked women dance, is probably just more misguided behavior.
08:29 <@oddball> you know...many people say the same damn thing about computer games.
08:29 < MattThat> And they're probably right about it, oddball.
08:30 <@oddball> so, you suggest we should replace something you deem useless with something just as pointless?
08:30 < MattThat> No.
08:30 < MattThat> I think we can agree, Research & Development into alternative, safe, sustainable energy sources is porbably less pointless than say, football.
08:31 < MattThat> If not, then we have some serious cultural difference to resolve before going forward.
08:31 <@oddball> Oh, and playing a football video game != going to watch a game.
08:31 < MattThat> I'm not sure what point you're making?
08:31 < MattThat> That video games are okay?  Sure, within reason, like sports.
08:31 < MattThat> I'm not saying STOP playing sports.
08:32 < MattThat> I'm saying stop plugging multi-billion dollars into keeping the idiots in their seats.
08:32 <@oddball> ok, misunderstood your argument
08:32 < MattThat> (as opposed to educating them and putting them to work)
08:32 < MattThat> We're an awfully mature society in the ways we develop to TAKE the less educated's money.
08:32 <@Dolemite> and on that I agree with you, too.  I'd love to be able to afford to go see a game, but the tickets are too expensive because the salaries are too high.
08:33 <@oddball> That would require a major change in human bahavior.
08:33 <@Dolemite> So therefore I sit in the comfort of my home and watch it on my big screen high def tv.
08:33 < MattThat> I would prefer we became a society that was interested in developing ways to GIVE the less educated... knowledge.
08:34 <@TheLightCosine> ugg
08:34 <@Dolemite> You know, we should round up all the stars making over $2M/year and put them in a pit full of lions.
08:34 < MattThat> And if you think telling dumb people, football is a waste of their time, isn't the beginning of an education...
08:34 < MattThat> *shrug* I don't know where to start, then.
08:34 <@Dolemite> Then we could broadcast that and sell tickets
08:34 < MattThat> :)
08:34 <@TheLightCosine> just when i thought i was home free, i fall even deeper down the WMI rabbit hole
08:34 <@Dolemite> So.
08:34 <@Dolemite> I watched The Curious Case of Benjamin Button this year.
08:34 <@Dolemite> er, this weekend
08:34 < MattThat> Dolemite: Imagine if instead of football, all the years its existed, all those people, all that focus, all that money and culture, was put into Cancer.
08:35 <@oddball> Actually... I just want to watch MattThat try to tell a group of football fans that football is a waste of time.
08:35 < MattThat> oddball: It would go badly, as they would likely not understand most of the words.
08:35 <@Dolemite> I have to agree that there are a lot of similarities between Benjamin Button and Forrest Gump, in terms of the story
08:35  * oddball thinks MattThat missed my meaning
08:36 < MattThat> oddball: Oh, they'd hurt me physically?
08:36 < MattThat> *shrug* Thats cool.
08:36 <@TheLightCosine> Dolemite: I am not sure when it happened, I'm not sure how it happened...but whilst I have been exploring deeper and deeper into thge hellish ngihtmare forest known as Windows Management Instrumentation, I think Microsoft stole my soul
08:36 < MattThat> Dolemite: Yeah, it was a bad re-make in a lot of ways.
08:36 < MattThat> I watched it all the way through waiting for some bold point to be made, about living in reverse.
08:36 < MattThat> And was totally cheated when the credits rolled.
08:37 <@Dolemite> I thought it was a neat story, but nothing Oscar worthy
08:37 < MattThat> They should have called it the Curious Case of the People in Line Who Spent $8
08:37 <@Dolemite> certainly the acting wasn't in that boat, either
08:37 < MattThat> Dolemite: Agreed.
08:37 <@Dolemite> It was mainly the F/X
08:38 < MattThat> I almost got a hint that they were trying to make a point about what got destroyed in the hurricane.
08:38 < MattThat> When the water rushed against the clock as it stopped?
08:38 < MattThat> But then I realized thats way too deep for Hollywood
08:39 < MattThat> And they showed the clock to tie in an ending, since they hadn't mentioned the whole clock component in about an hour and thirty minutes.
08:40 < MattThat> Dolemite: Any idea WTF the point was?
08:40 <@Dolemite> yeah, the clock was obvious, but they should have either showed it more often, or simply left it out of the ending
08:41 < MattThat> Maybe it was really a horror movie, and the point was: Don't be born around the same time as some random dude who has no connection to you whatsoever, makes a clock that runs in reverse.
08:41 <@Dolemite> The point was that you have to live each day as if it were the last - when Benjamin was young he was constantly being told that he didn't have much time left, then as he got older/younger-in-appearance he was helping others, such as his father and Daisy, to come to terms with their age or their end
08:41 < MattThat> "The Curious Case of How I Got the Movie Company To Approve This Script"
08:42 < MattThat> Dolemite: Wow, thats weird, I didn't get that at all.
08:42 <@Dolemite> But the other stupid thing is that the clock didn't stop when Benjamin died
08:42 < MattThat> Because when he got young, he left.
08:42 <@Dolemite> or vice versa
08:42 < MattThat> But, I guess I kinda see it.
08:42 <@Dolemite> you'd think that they would have been tied together more closely
08:43 < MattThat> Dolemite: I think they threw that in-- literally, as if, they were like "Oh yeah, the clock part of the story..."
08:43 < MattThat> I think it was like 3 and half hours long, and got heavily chopped ujp.
08:43 <@Dolemite> could be
08:43 < MattThat> Either that, or its a fantastically bad script.
08:43 <@Dolemite> I'm going to watch either Defiance or Slumdog Millionaire tonight
08:43 < MattThat> I've had Slumdog sitting here for like 2 weeks.
08:44 < MattThat> I won't watch it, hahaha.
08:44 <@TheLightCosine> i heard Defiance was pretty good
08:44 < MattThat> "Its great!" "You'll love it~"
08:44 < MattThat> "Slumdog was awesome!"
08:44 <@Dolemite> I always make it a point to watch the nominated films for top dog at the Oscars
08:44 < MattThat> Blah-blah-blah
08:44 < MattThat> Overhype kills any hope of me enjoying it.
08:45 <@TheLightCosine> lol
08:45 <@Dolemite> My wife's uncle used to be President of the Screen Actors Guild, so he gets screeners
08:45 < MattThat> The only way I tend to like a movie, is if I hear nothing, turn it on, and get skullslapped with the surprise.
08:45 <@TheLightCosine> you certainyl are an opinionated fellow
08:45 <@TheLightCosine> dole: we need to talk... =P
08:45 <@Dolemite> TheLightCosine : Yeah, he's like Mercster, but with slightly more coherence
08:45 < MattThat> Dolemite: Thats cool, man.
08:46 < MattThat> Dolemite: So, break it out for me.  Your pick: Iron Man or Dark Knight?
08:46 < MattThat> I couldn't ever deciede/
08:46 <@Dolemite> TheLightCosine : It's actually easier to get them from the torrents, though
08:46 < MattThat> I even watched them back-to-back, to better try to form an opinion.
08:46 <@TheLightCosine> heh
08:46 <@Dolemite> They are both great movies, but for different reasons
08:46 < MattThat> Dark Night/Iron Man...  then Hulk.
08:46 <@TheLightCosine> i thought he was merc at first
08:47 <@Dolemite> Iron Man doesn't take the emotional toll to watch that Dark Knight does
08:47 <@TheLightCosine> still not convinced he's not =p
08:47 < MattThat> Dolemite: Agreed, but, that doesn't take away from it.
08:47 < MattThat> Downey made it fun.
08:47 < MattThat> I really liked his character.
08:47 <@Dolemite> Downey did a great job making Tony Stark fun.  He also did a great job in Tropic Thunder.
08:47 < MattThat> Yes, he did.
08:48 <@TheLightCosine> and he gets nominated for TT instead of iron man
08:48 <@TheLightCosine> what a crock
08:48 < MattThat> Albeit Tropic Thunder in general wasn't as funny as the trailers made it seem, for months.
08:48 <@Dolemite> But as far as being able to convey the absolute madness of a psychopath like The Joker - hands down, Heath Ledger kicked everybody else's ass
08:48 < MattThat> I agree.
08:49 < MattThat> He played what will porbably be one of my all-time favorite villians.
08:49 <@Dolemite> I think that Iron Man is a more entertaining action film, but The Joker was the best role played, period.
08:49 <@TheLightCosine> i'll show you some psychomath madness here in a minute
08:49 < MattThat> That Joker definetly is something to marvel at, I agree.
08:49 < MattThat> Its no wonder Nicholson met with him, after seeing dailys, for dinner.
08:50 < MattThat> To talk about how the role disturbed him when he played it.
08:50 < MattThat> Obviously relating to what Ledgar was going through.
08:50 <@Dolemite> Nicholson sucked as The Joker.  He played him as a gay clown.
08:50 < MattThat> I don't know, put into its proper persepctive, a lot of that was probably at the direction of Tim Burton
08:50 < MattThat> Who tends to like the whole psychoclown thing.
08:51 < MattThat> All his "animated-claymation" characters are like that.
08:51 < MattThat> Scary clowns, I mean.
08:51 <@Dolemite> Well I just have a hard time watching those movies - as much as I love Tim Burton's vision, typically, I just felt that Michael Keaton was the absolute worst casting choice in the history of superhero movies.
08:51 < MattThat> Agreed.
08:51 < MattThat> I don't even look at that as a Superhero movie.
08:52 <@Dolemite> And then they really fucked up the franchise with Batman Forever
08:52 < MattThat> None of those Batman movies attain that status in my book.
08:52 <@Dolemite> Nipples on Batman's costume, none on Batgirl's.
08:52 < MattThat> Spider-man was the re-definition of Superhero movies.
08:52 < MattThat> It showed how it should be done, hehe
08:52 <@Dolemite> As much as others love to lambaste it, I really liked Superman Returns
08:53 < MattThat> Batman, showed the same (respecting, as Spiderman did, the authors actual intent). In the case of Batman, it was delving into Bob Kane's Dark Knight novels.
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08:53 <@TheLightCosine> "Batman forever, it sounds more like a threat than a movie title"
08:53 < MattThat> Superman Returns was subpar in my opinion.
08:53 < MattThat> But not as bad as many have said.
08:53 < MattThat> My problem with
08:53 < MattThat> err
08:54 < MattThat> My problem with Superman Returns was, its the same fucking story we've seen 800 times.
08:54 < MattThat> Superman loses his powers, regular idiots somehow know better hand to hand combat.
08:54 <@Dolemite> They needed to get away from using Lex Luthor as the villian
08:54 < MattThat> Why the fuck doesn't he get a gym membership and do some boxing?
08:54 < MattThat> He's fucking Superman.
08:55 < MattThat> I could live with Lex Luthor, prolly not played by Kevin Spacey...
08:55 <@Dolemite> Well, Spiderman is the same story over and over...  he gets the shit beaten out of him, then he thinks about his poor Aunt and he gets his second wind and wins
08:55 < MattThat> As long as they gave me something to chew on.
08:55 < MattThat> Dolemite: But thats a good story, it has a moral.
08:55 <@TheLightCosine> only in crappy television and movies thoguh
08:55 <@Dolemite> Brainiac needs to be part of the Superman movies
08:55 <@TheLightCosine> the comics spidey usually kciked ass and took names
08:55 <@TheLightCosine> while cracking wise the entire fight
08:55 <@Dolemite> Puh-lease.  The comics are what I was referring to.
08:56 < MattThat> Spiderman followed a very formulatic cycle.
08:56 < MattThat> At least, my experience with the comics gave me that impression.
08:56 < MattThat> No less formulatic then Superman.
08:56 < MattThat> "Lois in trouble, lose powers, get beat up, get second wind, save Lois."
08:56 <@TheLightCosine> all major brand comcis followed a formula heh
08:56 < MattThat> Of course.
08:57 < MattThat> My problem with Superman is, he acts RETARDED without his powers.
08:57 < MattThat> Not just mortal...
08:57 < MattThat> IDIOTIC.
08:57 < MattThat> heh
08:59 < scud> I wanted to see Superman bang Lois in Superman Returns
08:59 <@TheLightCosine> my favorite mainstream superhero is still hands-dwon Deadpool
08:59 < scud> that would of been some hot action
08:59 < scud> literally, her pussy would of been on fire!
08:59 < scud> or his money shot would of killed her
09:00 < MattThat> Deadpool?
09:00 < MattThat> Nice!
09:00 < MattThat> Been a while since I heard that name.
09:00 <@nachoguy> mr0nin
09:01 <@Dolemite> ok, time to work on my operations report
09:01 < MattThat> TPS reports?
09:01 < MattThat> word.
09:01 <@Dolemite> just the cover sheets
09:02 <@nachoguy> memo?
09:02 < ware> lolmemo, memolol
09:02 < MattThat> Jesus christ... and I'm not even religious.
09:02 < MattThat> These numbers are insane.
09:02 <@nachoguy> ?
09:03 < MattThat> Jobs lost so far today: 7000 (HD), 6000 (PHG), 20000 (CAT), 8000 (S)
09:03 <@nachoguy> well, I guess I should be happy about still having a job as opposed to being pissed that I got shafted on my raise
09:04 < MattThat> I called out today.
09:04 <@nachoguy> MattThat what are the categories?  HD, PHG ?
09:04 < MattThat> nachoguy: Those are the companies stock tickers, to quickly id them.  Thats Home Depot, Phillips, Caterpillar and Sprint.
09:05 < MattThat> Those four companies laid off 41,000 people this morning.
09:05 < MattThat> Or at least, announced it.
09:05 <@nachoguy> ah, I was trying to make sense of them by type (Full time, Part time, contract...it wasn't working)
09:06 < MattThat> Yesh.
09:06 < MattThat> Last week we shed about 30,000 and 27,000 the week before that.
09:06 < MattThat> So, its actually getting worse.
09:06 < MattThat> 2.6 million from September to December end.
09:07 < MattThat> While that doesn't count car companies, and to give you an idea, 2.6 jobs is EVERYONE who works a job either for or related to car production.
09:08 < MattThat> Just to give you an idea what 2.6 million jobs represents.
09:08 < MattThat> If the car companies go, that'll be about 2.3-2.7m by itself.
09:08 <@TheLightCosine> haha
09:09 <@TheLightCosine> our mainframes reset user password to random
09:09 <@TheLightCosine> i reset this suer's password and it came up as "asspat"
09:09 < ware> MANEFRAEM
09:13 <@TheLightCosine> GAH?! Self-Referencing code spaghetti!
09:14 <@TheLightCosine> this .NET library may as well have been written with a couple hundmred "GOTO"s!!
09:14 < scud> only if I could enslave those 41,000 people like the white man did 200 years ago
09:14 < scud> i'd be rich!
09:17 < ware> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISCSI
09:17 < ware> jumbo frames ftw
09:18 < ware> JUMBO UR MOMMA.
09:19 <@TheLightCosine> ware, take yer aderol =P
09:20 < ware> ships, i wish
09:20 < ware> im worn out
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09:34 < MattThat> TheLightCosine: There are GOTOs in a .NET library?
09:34 < MattThat> Oh
09:34 < MattThat> n/m
09:35 < MattThat> Can't you juse use like Shift-F7 or something like that, in VS and have it walk the referencing, bro?
09:35 < MattThat> That stuffs pretty straight-forward.
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09:35 < MattThat> You can right click and "Go to Reference" or whatever.
09:36 < MattThat> If it recursively references then you have all the code in front of you, heh.
09:36 <@TheLightCosine> no no
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09:38 < MattThat> No-no, what?
09:38 < MattThat> No-no, you can't use the referencing walking feature?
09:38 <@TheLightCosine> no that's not the point
09:38 < MattThat> Whats the point?
09:38 <@TheLightCosine> that this code is atrocious
09:39 < MattThat> Its .NET.
09:39 < Curbob> .net makes me feel warm and fuzzy
09:39 <@TheLightCosine> i mean even for .NET i's fucking terribler
09:39 < MattThat> Thats what you get when you put development of complex applications in a GUI that claims to be usable by any idiot.
09:39 < MattThat> Usage...
09:39 < MattThat> by any idiot.
09:39 < MattThat> :)
09:40 < MattThat> Thats one of the reasons I avoid the .NET community, hehe.
09:40 < MattThat> I phear.
09:40 <@TheLightCosine> Class1.FunctionA reference class2.FunctionA which immediately calls back on Class1.FunctionB which calls Class1.FunctionC then comes back and sends it to Class2.FunctionF
09:40 < MattThat> "What do you mean little endian?"
09:40 <@TheLightCosine> that sort of shit
09:40 < MattThat> hahahaha
09:40 < MattThat> Oh.
09:40 < Curbob> and companies like mine hire people that have never programmed and ask, can you learn this in 6 months and people like me say yeh no problem hahaha
09:41 < MattThat> Curbob: You can.
09:41 < Curbob> i did
09:41 < MattThat> Its fucking photoshop for code.
09:41 < MattThat> VS
09:41 < MattThat> Visual Studio
09:41 <@TheLightCosine> 6 months seems a bit excessive
09:41 < Curbob> and using VB, 5th graders can do it
09:41 < Curbob> hahahaah
09:41 < MattThat> VB?
09:41 < MattThat> Oh god.
09:41 < MattThat> hahahaha
09:41 < Curbob> but i'm being paid, soo..... ;)
09:42 < MattThat> C#, at the very least, forces SOME coding standards on them.
09:42 < MattThat> Not many, but some.
09:42 < Curbob> but i will be the first to say alot of my code is not pretty
09:42 < Curbob> yeh, but i am learning C# just from reading through examples
09:42 < MattThat> This may sound crazy but, EVEN my Perl code is pretty.
09:42 < MattThat> *shrug*
09:43 < MattThat> I take my time.
09:43 < MattThat> I'm not at the behest of some maniacal project management.
09:43 < Curbob> but my VB looks better than my Cobal use to ;0)
09:43 < Curbob> cobol
09:43 <@TheLightCosine> all perl code is pretty if you look at it right ;)
09:43 < MattThat> TheLightCosine: I mean I use mixed case, self-documenting variable/function names.
09:44 <@TheLightCosine> and there is less than a 1% difference between C# and VB in .NET btw
09:44 < MattThat> I clearly defined purpose for each package as an object.
09:44 < Curbob> yep it's all a ;
09:44 < MattThat> I avoid complex polymorphic behavior in Perl, because it can be difficult to debug.
09:44 < MattThat> No dispatch tables...
09:44 <@TheLightCosine> heh
09:44 < MattThat> that sort of thing.
09:44 <@TheLightCosine> MattThat: yeah well...your murphy rod is broken!
09:44 <@TheLightCosine> =P
09:45 < MattThat> C#/VB have no actualy difference at compile time.
09:45 < MattThat> None of the .NET language do.
09:45 < MattThat> They share a runtime.
09:45 < MattThat> heh
09:45 <@TheLightCosine> heh
09:45 <@TheLightCosine> exactly
09:45 <@TheLightCosine> the CLR
09:45 < MattThat> Right.
09:45 < MattThat> TheLightCosine: I designed all six stock options exchange options inventory management system in .NET
09:45 < MattThat> I'm okay with it.
09:45 < MattThat> ;)
09:46 < Curbob> yeh but i hate building that damn DLL, thats why i'm leaning toward php
09:46 <@TheLightCosine> hunh?
09:47 < MattThat> TheLightCosine: Is that huh for me, or him?
09:47 < MattThat> :)
09:47 <@TheLightCosine> you
09:47 < MattThat> Oh.
09:47 <@TheLightCosine> "MattThat	TheLightCosine: I designed all six stock options exchange options inventory management system in .NET" <-HUNH?
09:47 < MattThat> Let me put that more clearly.
09:48 < Curbob> Speaker & Presentations for CarolinaCon http://carolinacon.org/index.php/schedule/
09:48 < MattThat> I developed all six stock options exchanges, options inventory management system, using .NET
09:48 < MattThat> primarily C#
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09:48 < MattThat> I designed it inside my brainzZzZz
09:48 < MattThat> heh
09:48 <@TheLightCosine> sure you did *patpat*
09:49 < MattThat> TheLightCosine: Uh...
09:49 < MattThat> TheLightCosine: You know not the prowess of my digital kung-fu, I guess.
09:49 < MattThat> How unfortunate.
09:49 <@TheLightCosine> nope
09:49 < MattThat> CBOE, ISE, PHLX, AMEX, were the one's who originally hired me.
09:50 < MattThat> The others came on board after they saw the system I made them.
09:50 < MattThat> But uh, whatever du0d.
09:51 < MattThat> ApplicationSettings.GetKey("TheLightCosine").SetKey("Has No Idea Other People Can Code");
09:51 < MattThat> :)
09:51 <@TheLightCosine> heh, you sure seem pretty uppity about it. maybe you did, and maybe you didn't. if you did hey that's totally awesome for you.
09:51 < Curbob> lol
09:51 < MattThat> TheLightCosine: I like that you approach situations skeptically.
09:52 <@TheLightCosine> However i could also sit here and tell you that i write PKI algorithms for the NSA, dun make it true
09:52 < MattThat> But, I have no reason to lie to you.
09:52 < MattThat> It will bring no additional wealth, or value.
09:52 < MattThat> TheLightCosine: You should use inductive logic to reason as to why I would lie.
09:52 < MattThat> I think you'll find there really aren't any good reasons.
09:52 < MattThat> You're not that important to me.
09:52 < MattThat> heh
09:52  * Curbob 's off to write some more bad code
09:53 <@TheLightCosine> heh, your falmboyant nature would actually suggest quite the opposite
09:53 <@TheLightCosine> that you acre a great deal what people think
09:53 < MattThat> TheLightCosine: I cited it as a way of describing some of my experience.
09:53 < MattThat> flamboyant?
09:53 <@TheLightCosine> in fact true or not,m you wouldn't have broguht up the article in question except to impress people =)
09:53 < MattThat> Please, right now, tell me, what the fuck I have done...
09:53 < MattThat> That can be summed by that word.
09:53 < MattThat> RIGHT NOT.
09:53 < MattThat> NOW*
09:53 < MattThat> heh
09:54 < MattThat> TheLightCosine: I just told you why I brought it up, to give you an idea where my .NEt experience came from...
09:54 < MattThat> I'm not interested in impressing anyone.  Sheesh.
09:54 < MattThat> Now, explain why I'm "flamboyant"
09:55 < MattThat> Because I say a lot of things?
09:55 < MattThat> Thats talkative: a whole other adjective altogether.
09:55 < MattThat> 1often capitalized : characterized by waving curves suggesting flames <flamboyant tracery> <flamboyant architecture>2: marked by or given to strikingly elaborate or colorful display or behavior
09:56 <@TheLightCosine> yep that's a definition of flamboyant alright
09:56 < MattThat> I don't find anything I've done here strikingly elaborate.
09:56 < MattThat> Do you?
09:56 < MattThat> If so, which things.
09:56 <@TheLightCosine> lol
09:56 < MattThat> This is IRC.  You type.  Other people type back.
09:56 < MattThat> Its commonly referred to as multiplayer notpad.
09:57 < MattThat> Its really not that big'a'deal.
09:57 <@TheLightCosine> for soemone who doesn't care what i think you sure are getting upset about this
09:57 <@rhia> http://www.partiallyclips.com/
09:57 < MattThat> Hmm, you must have some special ability to decode my words and drain from the emotions even I don't observe.
09:57 < MattThat> As I'm not the least bit upset.
09:58 < MattThat> TheLightCosine: I type a lot.
09:58 < MattThat> Its what I do.
09:58 <@TheLightCosine> if you say so
09:58 < MattThat> Get used to it.
09:58 < MattThat> It will be happening... as you can see... a lot.
09:58 < MattThat> It really doesn't correlate with my emotional state.
09:58 <@TheLightCosine> there you go again lol
09:58 < MattThat> When I get emotional, I use words like motherbitch, shitcock, asshat...
09:58 < MattThat> fucknut.
09:59 <@TheLightCosine> you are waaaaaaaayy more amusing than Mercster lol
09:59 < MattThat> Ya know, obious signals are present, since its obvious people CANNOT generally understand the emotional momentum behind them, with ASCII.
09:59 < MattThat> TheLightCosine: I don't see whats so amusing.
09:59 < MattThat> You're generally being a dick.
09:59 < MattThat> I'm trying to communicate with you.
10:00 <@TheLightCosine> No you're trying to provoke an argument with me, in an attempt to show me how impressive you think you are
10:00 < MattThat> TheLightCosine: Have you not seen me in here for the last 2 months?
10:00 < MattThat> Typing like this?
10:00 < MattThat> I'm not trying to argue with you at all.
10:00 < MattThat> We could be discussing cool stuff about .NET right now
10:00 < ware> if you are cerkit you must have gotten laid last night
10:00 < MattThat> But you threw a monkeywrench in that, trying to call me liar.
10:00 < ware> cause youre not chatting like cerkit has always
10:01  * ware thinks it is mercster
10:01 <@TheLightCosine> *nod*
10:01 < MattThat> You guys are retarded.
10:01 < MattThat> Mercstern doesn't have an account on infophobia.net
10:01 <@TheLightCosine> lol
10:01 < ware> of course you'd like us to believe that
10:01 < MattThat> cerkit:x:1001:1001:,,,:/home/cerkit:/bin/bash
10:01 < MattThat> rut roh
10:02 < ware> why you want to imitate cerkit is beyond us
10:02 < MattThat> ware: You're a fucking idiot.
10:02 < ware> cerkit:x:1001:1001:,,,:/home/cerkit:/bin/bash
10:02 < ware> wow i am cerkit too
10:02 < ware> ^^see
10:02 <@TheLightCosine> lol
10:02 < MattThat> ware: What proof would you like?
10:02 < MattThat> I can provide it.
10:02 < ware> there is none
10:02 < ware> because you arent who you say you are
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10:03 < MattThat> ware: you're lucky rhia didn't op me.  I'd have kickbanned you already.
10:03 < MattThat> I'm bored with this.
10:03 < ware> lol noob
10:03 < MattThat> Let me see if she'll auto-op my other username.
10:03 <@TheLightCosine> lol
10:03 < ware> im half awake and still trolling you without sitting up right in my chair
10:03 < MattThat> I'm not fucking kidding.
10:04 < MattThat> :)
10:04 <@TheLightCosine> congrats ware
10:04 < ware> dont be so uppity. you realize if you are or are not cerkit
10:04 <@TheLightCosine> now he IS upset
10:04 < ware> that it doesnt matter
10:04 < ware> either way it doesnt mean anything
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10:04 <@TheLightCosine> oops
10:04 <@TheLightCosine> my bad
10:04 <@TheLightCosine> wrong button
10:04 < ware> hahaha
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10:04 < cerkit> Lets see...
10:04 < ware> OMG STOP KICKING IRC IS SRS BIZNEZZ
10:04 <@TheLightCosine> that was suppsoed to be a msg lol!
10:04 -!- ware is now known as cerkit_
10:05 < cerkit_> omg wow
10:05 < cerkit> would someone else know how to identify with the bovs?
10:05 < cerkit> ooops
10:05 < cerkit_> i eat balls
10:05 < cerkit> rut to
10:05 < cerkit_> i love the giant black chaulk
10:05 < cerkit> Oh well
10:05 < cerkit_> my name is cerkit
10:05 < cerkit> no auto-ops
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10:05 <@cerkit> you live another day
10:05  * cerkit_ stands up <- real cerkit
10:05 <@rhia> sorry, had to <g>
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10:05 < ware> rhia: lame ;)
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10:05 <@cerkit> by
10:06 <@cerkit> bye*
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10:06 < MattThat> So, anyway
10:06 < MattThat> TheLightCosine: Its too bad we couldn't touch base betetr on my .NET experience, and discuss the language and technology further.
10:06 < MattThat> I would have been more curious about your thoughts on Mono, than your doubt of my experience.
10:06 < MattThat> It would have made for a more useful discussion.
10:06 < MattThat> But, whatever.
10:07 <@TheLightCosine> lol
10:07 <@TheLightCosine> actually i doubt that conversation would have been evry itneresting at all
10:07 <@TheLightCosine> as i haven't used mono at all
10:07 < MattThat> Okay.
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10:09 <@Shadow404> he said he was sorry
10:09 <@Shadow404> bahaha
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10:10 < ware> imposter
10:10 < MattThat> ware: whats it like being immasculated in front of everyone?
10:11 <@TheLightCosine> boy you have a serious need for people to fawn over you don't you?
10:11 <@rhia> what a case of the Mondays in here
10:11 < MattThat> elaborate, please.
10:11 <@TheLightCosine> lol
10:11 < ware> not sure exactly, but it must have been kinda what your dad felt like when i shit on your moms chest and made him watch
10:12 < ware> i like how you were the only one getting upset and decided to kb me tho
10:12 < ware> that part was epic win
10:12 < ware> internet tough guys++ ;)
10:12 < MattThat> Its fun to find a way to make yourself feel better isn't it?
10:12 < MattThat> But the fact is I'd shit kick your head in no matter what venue things went down within.
10:12 < ware> i guess? youre the one toting the big stick on the interwebz
10:13 < ware> ahh see, much like mercster
10:13 <@Shadow404> not hard when se2600 is the audience to feel better
10:13 < ware> youre not cerkit n00b ;)
10:13 < MattThat> Shadow404: Too true :P
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10:38 <@rhia> -15 dasunt:  http://www.overheardeverywhere.com/archives/005144.html
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10:52 <@TheLightCosine> ugg my entire arse has fallen asleep!
10:54 <@Corydon76-lap> TheLightCosine: shit and get off the pot
10:54 <@TheLightCosine> lol
10:55 <@TheLightCosine> dude i wish we had irc in the bathrooms
10:55 <@TheLightCosine> that would be shweet
10:55 < MattThat> TheLightCosine: You can.
10:55 < MattThat> You got wifi at work?
10:55 <@TheLightCosine> locked down
10:56 < MattThat> But, do you have employee access?
10:56 <@TheLightCosine> not I
10:56 < MattThat> Oh.
10:56 < MattThat> Too bad.
10:56 <@TheLightCosine> yeah
10:56 <@TheLightCosine> and it's really locked down
10:56 < MattThat> I do it sometimes with my Touch.
10:56 < MattThat> via Wifi
10:56 < MattThat> hehhehe
10:56 <@TheLightCosine> 802.1x
10:57 < MattThat> I've e-mailed, published tweets, IRC'd...
10:57 < MattThat> Hell, it even has a full VNC client
10:57 < MattThat> I love the thing.
10:57 < MattThat> Oh, right yeah, and it plays music :)
10:58 <@Corydon76-lap> TheLightCosine: how locked down are the spare network ports?
10:58 <@Corydon76-lap> TheLightCosine: two words:  rogue AP
10:59 < MattThat> I dont know what the school I do work for uses, maybe something built-in, but, it kills rogues pretty good
10:59 < MattThat> I'll have to find out.
10:59 <@Corydon76-lap> MattThat: playing with your Touch in the employee bathroom leads to so many jokes, I don't know where to start
10:59 <@TheLightCosine> corydon: two words: site audit
11:00 < MattThat> Corydon76-lap: Bahahaha, I never even considered that.
11:00 < MattThat> hahhahaha
11:00 <@Corydon76-lap> MattThat: does it kill rogue APs that are simply bridges?
11:00 < MattThat> Well, you might be right, it might just bridge them to nowhere.
11:00 < MattThat> I'm not entirely sure how or what the solution is, but, I've seen it work well.
11:01 < MattThat> I have to find out-- I'm not there today.
11:01 <@TheLightCosine> security has shit setup to triangulate the location of rogue APs based off RF signal strength
11:01 < MattThat> I'm not sure if this can do that at all.
11:01 <@Corydon76-lap> TheLightCosine: if you have your ham license, you can run B on an alternate frequency
11:02 <@TheLightCosine> negative
11:02 <@TheLightCosine> dunno first thing about ham radio'
11:02 <@Corydon76-lap> The frequency is not often used, and is not for public usage, so it could go under their radar
11:02 <@Corydon76-lap> TheLightCosine: $14 and a 35-question multiple choice test
11:02 < MattThat> Corydon76-lap: Is it a whitespace or something?
11:03 < MattThat> Whats the frequency?
11:03 <@Corydon76-lap> MattThat: Nope, it's specifically allocated for ham operator use
11:03 < MattThat> Oh okay, hence why its not used so much.
11:03 < MattThat> I can dig it.
11:03 < MattThat> Neat stuff that ham radio, that I know basically nothing about :)
11:04 < MattThat> Besides maybe the basic physics of EM; of waves in general, radio, light, etc.
11:04 <@TheLightCosine> what i keep wondering is if it would be possible to tweak the firmware on a linksys router to turn it into a wifi jammer
11:04 < MattThat> hehe
11:04 <@Corydon76-lap> I don't know the frequency offhand, but you can ask Catonic... He'd know off the top of his head
11:04 < MattThat> TheLightCosine: I would think so.  I would think you could do it with an AP card in a linux machine better.
11:05 < MattThat> Its all the same principles, you'd just be DOSing.
11:05 <@TheLightCosine> DoSing at the RF signal level that is heh
11:05 < MattThat> Yeah,
11:05 < MattThat> thats cool shit
11:05 <@I-MOD> TheLightCosine, you could probably only jam 2-3 channels at a time
11:05 <@TheLightCosine> then the next step would be to create a directional jammer heh
11:05 <@TheLightCosine> I-MOD: oh?
11:06 <@I-MOD> if you're not frequency hopping
11:06 < MattThat> You'd probably need a better transmitter too.
11:06 < MattThat> If you want to be able to beat out APs
11:06 < MattThat> (then whats the standard linksys)
11:06 <@I-MOD> yeah, but you can jack up the transmit power on some of these cards
11:06 < MattThat> oh, ok.
11:06 <@I-MOD> and there are also external signal boosters
11:06 <@TheLightCosine> yeah
11:06 <@I-MOD> like the one from hawking
11:07 <@TheLightCosine> well i knoiw 2wireaps can jack the Rx power with just a setting in their base webgui
11:07 < MattThat> I-MOD: I was thinking the signal booster would fall prey to the DOS the same way the AP does... no?
11:07 < MattThat> Given what the hypothetical situation is.
11:07 <@I-MOD> i meant use the booster as an addon to your jammer
11:07 < MattThat> I guess it would be based on exactly how you did the DOS.
11:08 < MattThat> I would think its just signal, so, it would effect YOUR repeater the same way as anything else.
11:08 <@I-MOD> the booster i'm talking about is an inline amp
11:08 < MattThat> oh oh
11:08 <@I-MOD> on the antenna
11:08 < MattThat> I see
11:08 < MattThat> That would work then, yeah
11:08 <@M0j0-j0j0> hey all.. what's the big update on OZ5?
11:08 <@TheLightCosine> if you could set up some directionals
11:09  * I-MOD has scheduling conflicts for OZ5 :/
11:09 <@TheLightCosine> you could theoretically create a denial zone around you own access poiny
11:09 <@I-MOD> to limit the range of the AP?
11:09 <@I-MOD> why not just kick down the tx power on the AP, then?
11:10 <@TheLightCosine> and to shut down the other aps in the immediate vicintiy
11:10 <@TheLightCosine> hey
11:10 <@TheLightCosine> i didn't say this wass practical
11:10 <@I-MOD> lol
11:10 <@TheLightCosine> i just thought it would be fun
11:10 <@I-MOD> of you could just get a cheap resonator crystal and pump some juice into it
11:10 <@TheLightCosine> "Wtf, why is the only AP we can see that one called 'Skynet' ?"
11:10 <@I-MOD> lol
11:11 <@TheLightCosine> yes my essid at home is skynet lol
11:11 <@tzanger> haha
11:12 <@M0j0-j0j0> TheLightCosine: yeah.. in the year 1999 that's going to be come a real problem
11:12 <@TheLightCosine> lol
11:12 <@TheLightCosine> thankfully that's nowe a long way off again
11:13 <@Corydon76-lap> MattThat: frequencies available:  http://www.qsl.net/kb9mwr/projects/wireless/allocations.html
11:13 <@TheLightCosine> http://xkcd.org/534/
11:18 <@TheLightCosine> gweh
11:20 <@TheLightCosine> okay, real devs in the channel, question for you
11:21 <@M0j0-j0j0> I think SkyNet just had a P.R. issue
11:21 < ware> <- develepy
11:21 <@M0j0-j0j0> like the Cylons
11:21 <@M0j0-j0j0> and Agent Smith
11:21 <@TheLightCosine> Is the WMI really this fucked up, crazy, and difficult to decipher, or am i just missing something ?
11:21 < MattThat> I wish SkyNet would come clean my desk up.
11:22 <@TheLightCosine> cus microsoft's "documentation" on the WMI just ends up driving me crazy
11:22 < MattThat> TheLightCosine: I would tell you, that you answered your own question.
11:22  * ware has had minimal expuhrynce with it
11:22 < MattThat> But, its purely dependent on how you wantto use WMI.
11:23 <@TheLightCosine> MattThat: well it could jsut be me
11:23 <@TheLightCosine> i could jsut be stupid
11:23 < MattThat> Its like WFC though, somewhat needless complexity, imho
11:23 < MattThat> WCF
11:23 < MattThat> ?
11:23 < MattThat> The communication insanity
11:23 < MattThat> whatever the acronym is
11:24 < MattThat> WCF
11:24 <@TheLightCosine> Microsoft's idea of documentation "You can use the WMI to do stuff. Here's a lot of objects that exisdt in WMI. One thing you can do with WMI is manage the local SMS client, but we're sure as fuck not gonna tell you anything about how to do that."
11:24 < MattThat> For some reason I had the Well Fargo stock symbol all confuzzled.
11:24 <@TheLightCosine> WCF?
11:24 < MattThat> Windows Communication Foundation!
11:24 <@TheLightCosine> ah
11:24 <@M0j0-j0j0> World Champion Fighters
11:25 < MattThat> http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/content/en-us/msft/netframework/wcf/GettingStarted
11:25 <@TheLightCosine> i figured out how to extract all the data about the local advertisements, and now i;'m trying to go through someone else's bloody code to figure out how you make it run one of them
11:25 <@TheLightCosine> why couldn't they have just provided an SMS client API?
11:26 < MattThat> TheLightCosine: Because its underlayed by COM, right?
11:26 < MattThat> So, there is no real API.
11:26 < MattThat> hehe
11:27 < MattThat> step #1 for WMI apps is: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa390885(VS.85).aspx
11:27 <@TheLightCosine> it seems to me like you could still expose an interface
11:27 < MattThat> Initialize your worst nightmar- I mean COM object
11:27 < MattThat> hahaha
11:28 < MattThat> Sorry, I had a life of hell experiencing COM through one of its scary friends: talking to Excel
11:28 < MattThat> That was my introduction to COM.
11:28 <@TheLightCosine> ??
11:28 <@TheLightCosine> in what way?
11:29 < MattThat> Back then, COM was the only mechanism for communication to data locked away in Excel spreadsheets, from inside a .NET app
11:29 < MattThat> This was... 1.1 framework days?
11:29 <@M0j0-j0j0> COM never seems to be that bad until I started trying to work with COM/CORBA bridges
11:29 < MattThat> They may have a better way now, I never had to circle back to that client.
11:29 < MattThat> But WMI relies on COM
11:29 < MattThat> Which gives me pause :)
11:29 <@TheLightCosine> couldn't you have just used ADO?
11:30 < MattThat> TheLightCosine: Not to make Excel do things.
11:30 < MattThat> To communicate with the data yeah, but not the app
11:30 <@TheLightCosine> why not?
11:30 <@TheLightCosine> ahhh
11:30 <@TheLightCosine> gotcha
11:30 < MattThat> We had data locked up...
11:30 < MattThat> But, the "data"
11:30 < ware> man just installed openoffice 3
11:30 < MattThat> "data" wasn't wholesome
11:30 < ware> lot of stuff has changed, looks awesome
11:30 < MattThat> It had to go through filters BUILT into the Excel document.
11:30 < MattThat> Macros.
11:31 < MattThat> And they had to be carefully executed before extraction.
11:31 <@TheLightCosine> eeeew
11:31 < MattThat> In shirt: It blew.
11:31 < MattThat> Donkey balls.
11:31 < MattThat> short*
11:31 <@TheLightCosine> it blew in your shirt?
11:31 < MattThat> Yes
11:31 < MattThat> All over it
11:31 <@TheLightCosine> gross
11:31 <@TheLightCosine>  brb throwin the reboot
11:31 < MattThat> Like a giant spooge of bad code
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11:36 <@M0j0-j0j0> and donkey balls
11:36 <@M0j0-j0j0> in a skirt
11:37 <@M0j0-j0j0> WMI makes me COM
11:37 <@M0j0-j0j0> OuterZone5
11:38 < ware> stfu
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11:39 <@M0j0-j0j0> ware: damn it.. I need a vacation
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11:48 < ware> i been on vacation, im ready to go home
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11:55 < ware> heya tcstool
11:56 <@tcstool> Hey man what's up?
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11:58 <@tcstool> ware:  when are you coming back down to Cookeville?
11:59 < ware> notta sitting up at sipp
12:00 <@tcstool> Oh yeah that's right
12:00 <@tcstool> how's that going?
12:01 < ware> superbly
12:01 < ware> we've been ahead of schedule since friday so the past 2 1/2 days have been slow
12:02 <@tcstool> that's good
12:05 < ware> http://stonermoments.org/anadale-dc/
12:05 < ware> for some pictures
12:06 < ware> whatchu been doing? ready for shmoo?
12:09 <@M0j0-j0j0> I hear shmooCon is great, but it costs too much
12:09 <@tcstool> Yeah I'm not going that
12:09 < ware> yeah thats why im not going
12:10 <@M0j0-j0j0> that's a shame
12:11 <@tcstool> It is awfully pricy
12:11 <@tcstool> I figured they had more equipment than that up there
12:12 <@M0j0-j0j0> like laser beams?
12:13 <@tcstool> no
12:14 < ware> they have more coming in
12:14 <@M0j0-j0j0> I am Rhonda from the 7th level of Yar!
12:14 < ware> just not this weekend
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12:15 < ware> we moved the core application servers
12:15 < ware> but its pretty spiffah
12:16 <@M0j0-j0j0> would be cooler with lasers
12:18 < ware> agrred
12:18 < ware> agreed*
12:33 <@Drag0n`> everything is better with lasers
12:33 < ware> ive misplaced my green one
12:33 < ware> :(
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13:07 <@nachoguy> ware, when are you moving out west? is that soon?
13:37 < ware> soonish
13:37 < ware> im thinkin summer time
13:40 <@brimstone> wow, all of placebo's music does sound the same
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13:53 < Mercster> oh
14:09 < ware> http://www.damnvulnerablelinux.org/
14:21 <@rhia> why "Car of the Year" isn't always a ringing endorsement: http://lnk.nu/autos.yahoo.com/scd
14:25 <@nachoguy> ware, nice
14:25 < ware> would be fun
14:25 < ware> just be sure its on an isolated network lol
14:28 < ware> otherwise you might accidentally the entire network
14:29 <@Corydon76-lap> ware: you might what?
14:29 < ware> the entire network, like if you put it on the same subnet with everything else
14:30 < ware> especially if a hacker gets in
14:32 < Mercster> Corydon76-lap: HE'S DOING THE BEST HE CAN DAMN YOU
14:32 < ware> hardly the best ;)
14:36 < ware> lets try to dont left anyone behind k?
14:37 < eryc> careful not to send the otherwise it will break
14:38 <@rhia> seems ware's verb phobia is back
14:38 <@rhia> so sad to be so scared of little ol' words
14:39 < ware> http://www.iwatchstuff.com/2007/10/10/thundercats-director.jpg
14:40 < ware> rhia: its only because he when the internet goes down
14:41 < ware> The word 'politics' is derived from the word 'poly', meaning 'many', and the word 'ticks', meaning 'blood sucking parasites'.
14:41 < ware> hehe ive heard that one before
14:44 <@rhia> ware: yeah, that's about as old as "if pro is the opposite of con, what's the opposite of progress?"
14:45 < ware> lawyers! hahaha
14:45 <@rhia> "why don't congressmen use bookmarks? they like their pages bent over", etc etc
14:45 < ware> thats a funny one too
14:47 <@nachoguy> actually rhia/corydon, "I accidentally the whole thing" is an internet meme
14:47 <@nachoguy> I'm not sure why it's funny, but I did enjoy the origin
14:48 <@rhia> nachoguy: aware, not that amused =)
14:50 < ware> <- a amused ware
14:50 <@rhia> "all your base" ran dry, too - like space robots and countless others  .... aside from nostaglia reasons, not really as 'fun' once the shark's been jumped
14:50 < ware> so you dont care for any memes?
14:50 <@rhia> didn't say or imply that
14:51 < ware>  like space robots and countless
14:51 <@rhia> but once they've been done to death, well, let them die
14:51 < ware>           others
14:51 < ware> thats what a meme is
14:51 <@rhia> tired is what they are NOW
14:52 < ware> well in a STREAM they are a fascinating WEBSITE that rattle runs
14:52 < ware> <3
14:53 <@rhia> ahhh, ain't that cute?
14:53  * brimstone throws a shark into the channel
14:53  * rhia throws ware over the shark
14:54 <@critch> why does this channel keep trying to become the shallow end of the intelligence pool?
14:54  * ware beats up the shark and makes a sharktooth necklace for rhia
14:54 <@tzanger> water's warmer in shallow water
14:54 <@rhia> ware: want more old memes?
14:54 <@rhia> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kMi9tvuuZY
14:54 <@critch> not in water, shallow water freezes
14:54 < ware> rhia: theres a website that lists them, lemme lookie
14:55 <@rhia> ware: no, i mean old like 80's, hence the link
14:55 < ware> http://www.dipity.com/user/tatercakes/timeline/Internet_Memes
14:59 <@rhia> as an aside, who can name most/all of the 80's wrestlers in that video?
15:01 <@rhia> w/o the prompts from the announcer <g>
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15:51 <@Corydon76-lap> Damn.  The rough economy just claimed tshirthell.com
15:52 <@M0j0-j0j0> :(
15:52 <@M0j0-j0j0> you're kidding
15:53 <@Corydon76-lap> http://www.tshirthell.com/goodbye.php
15:54 < Curbob> that sucks
15:57 <@Corydon76-lap> Or actually... seems like the economy didn't do them in
15:57 < Curbob> No, I'm not going to jail (yet) and no, it's not because of the economy.
15:57 <@Corydon76-lap> He's just shutting down because he feels like it
15:57 <@brimstone> nope, just a good time to close up it seems
15:58 <@brimstone> http://www.givemeaname.com/voting.php
15:59 <@nachoguy> http://youtube.com/watch?v=ws6hSzDXUC8  last minute of the clip, quasi NSFW
16:00 <@aestetix> Holy shit.
16:00 < eryc> http://woodgears.ca/eyeball/index.html
16:00 <@aestetix> A technology privacy law I actually like.
16:00 <@aestetix> "Requiring cell phone cameras to make a click"
16:00 < eryc> whats in the last minute of the clip?
16:01 <@Corydon76-lap> aestetix: that's an awful law
16:01 <@aestetix> Why?
16:01 <@Corydon76-lap> aestetix: danger to public safety
16:01 <@aestetix> It effectively notifies people that you are photographing them.
16:02 <@aestetix> How?
16:02 <@nachoguy> eryc, perhaps the greatest on-air fuckup
16:02 <@Corydon76-lap> Yeah, it effectively ensures that cops getting photographed breaking the law have a new target to go after
16:02 <@rhia> aestetix: also notifies crooked cops, etc that they're being photographed - good way to get your phone taken
16:02 <@aestetix> Hmm. Interesting point.
16:03 <@Corydon76-lap> Or worse, you take a photo of a criminal act, and you could end up with a bullet in your brain
16:04 <@aestetix> Do you think it plays into wiretappiong at all?
16:04 <@aestetix> IE in many states you have to notify people you are listening to their conversation.
16:04 <@aestetix> This is like... notifying them that you are photographing them.
16:04 <@Corydon76-lap> If you're in public, you forego privacy of your actions
16:05 <@Corydon76-lap> aestetix: You have to inform them that you're photographing them ANYWAY, if you plan to use the photo for commercial purposes
16:08 <@Corydon76-lap> and the reason for notification on wiretapping is that a wiretap is on a PRIVATE communication
16:08 <@Corydon76-lap> telephone communication is considered private
16:08 <@Drag0n`> some congress critter probably got suritipitously photoed in a compromising position and it got released to the public and they want to make sure it doesnt hapen again
16:08 <@Corydon76-lap> Wiretapping someone's home or office is similarly a private location
16:10 <@Corydon76-lap> You can record speech in a public location, as long as the subjects do not have a reasonable expectation of privacy
16:10 <@Corydon76-lap> (without notification)
16:12 <@Shadow404> Dolemite: you on?
16:14  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
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16:14 <@aestetix> Hmm.
16:14 <@aestetix> What about photography in a private place?
16:14 <@aestetix> Like in a business?
16:14 <@aestetix> Or DC Union Station :p
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16:15 <@Corydon76-lap> DC Union Station is a public place
16:15 <@Corydon76-lap> Photography in a private place is governed by the owner
16:15 <@Shadow404> just had 2 of my cider beers in a row, after 4 months of being bottled, mmmmmm, soo good
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16:35  * eryc snaps an upskirt of aestetix 
16:36 <@brimstone> *CLICK*
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17:01 <@M0j0-j0j0> anyone know anyone hiring in TX?
17:02 <@rhia> any particular area? is a big state
17:03 <@rhia> DFW has a few, Austin government was ramping up before the holidays, Houston is still doing some rebuilding so there's a few places hiring there, too
17:03 <@rhia> dunno about further west
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17:04 < Iceknife> We are hiring in the Missouri/Nebraska area.
17:15 <@M0j0-j0j0> rhia: austin area... got a friend that's really a smart IT guy and he got laid off
17:15 <@M0j0-j0j0> Iceknife: he doesn't want to move the family
17:15 <@M0j0-j0j0> otherwise he'd do the FBI thing
17:16 < Iceknife> Understood M0jo-j0j0. Google and Yahoo are both looking for a bunch of people as well.
17:16 < Iceknife> but that is in the Neb. area.
17:18 <@rhia> M0j0-j0j0: lots of smaller companies in Austin looking for people, mostly development, but Dell needs a few 'consultants' - dunno how perm those would be
17:19 <@rhia> M0j0-j0j0: tell him to polish his resume on all the major job sites and update it every sunday evening - oh
17:20 < Iceknife> Dell.. We are a dell based data center, if he goes tech support tell him to be nice and smack some of the idiots there.
17:20 < Iceknife> There are some major doozies that work for Dell.
17:20 <@rhia> and a lot of companies are able to be very picky now, so when the recruiters want to submit him, make sure he knows to verify what company he's being submitted for -
17:21 <@rhia> as a LOT of places are now automatically rejecting any resume submitted twice for the same position
17:21 < Iceknife> Yeah and you'd think this would be common knowledge but to lay off any drugs. We've had several applicants not get a job because of drug tests.
17:21 <@Corydon76-lap> illegal drugs, you mean
17:21 < Iceknife> yes corydon.
17:22 < Iceknife> Also not to lie on the resume', we check sources and several have also lied flat out on the resume.
17:22 <@Corydon76-lap> You take me off prescription drugs, and I can be a very unpleasant person
17:23 <@rhia> market was not so good before the holidays, is getting more cutthroat daily now
17:23 < Iceknife> We had this guy come in with a resume' that was too good to be true. It was. He was the head of development at IBM, worked 10 years at HP, and etc...
17:24 < Iceknife> Yeah Rhia, we are a pretty rural data center and we got over 300 applicants on our last opening.
17:24 <@rhia> Iceknife: yeah, definitely, resume/application is NO place to play with the truth
17:24 < Iceknife> It was a huge increase of the normal 10-15 we usually got.
17:25 < eryc> i started google
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17:25 < Iceknife> awesome eryc then you can give us all cushy jobs that require no work ;-)
17:25 <@M0j0-j0j0> I start google every time I open a browser
17:25 < eryc> you can drive the streetview car
17:25 < eryc> but ill give u a moped
17:25 < Iceknife> those guys drive fast eryc.
17:26 < Iceknife> I followed the one that drove around town.
17:26 < Iceknife> just so I could be on google maps :-)
17:26 < eryc> maybe he was running away from u
17:26 <@rhia> eryc: that's more than i have currently so that's not too horrid a deal, c'mon, make it worse
17:26 < eryc> and u get no cam.. u got to draw each streetview
17:27 <@rhia> heh, that's more like it
17:27 < Iceknife> not to mention the car is one of the most ghetto things you've seen.. A couple boards on top of a 4 door with cameras on it and google stickers on the sides.
17:27 <@M0j0-j0j0> rhia: you'll be taking photos for the rain.streetview site on the moped
17:28 <@rhia> M0j0-j0j0: hey, better than the snow and ice view, yay
17:28 < Iceknife> yeah or the tornado and hurricane special edition
17:28 <@M0j0-j0j0> hurricane.streetview.maps.google.com
17:28 < ware> lolrhia
17:28 < ware> rhialol
17:28 < ware> so much rhia, lolol
17:29 <@rhia> Iceknife: that's ware's job
17:29 <@M0j0-j0j0> 3 days without a smoke
17:30 < Iceknife> google maps with a tornado following ware around..It'd have to be a camera attached to his helmet facing back so you can see facial expressions :-)
17:30 < ware> they already have that show on the discovery channel
17:31 <@M0j0-j0j0> a show about your face?
17:31 < ware> storm chasers i think.  they built that special vehicle all decked out so they could sit in the middle of a tornado and gather informations
17:31 < ware> M0j0-j0j0: thats not a tv show, we're internet primetime with waresface.com
17:31 < Iceknife> yeah, how would you want to be that guy who got to test that out the first time.
17:31 < eryc> ya and when it hails they act like girls and pretend god is droppin bombs on their head
17:32 < CRasH180> Does it have the crapper seat so they do not have to leave the vehicle, ever?
17:32 < ware> ive seen a couple episodes, pretty intense stuff
17:32 < Iceknife> we want you to drive this new vehicle we THINK that will be fine in a tornado, here is the keys and have fun.. tell us if it works.
17:33 <@M0j0-j0j0> The Tornado X-1
17:33 <@rhia> seen pics of a tank flipped by a tornado, that must be some vehicle
17:34 < eryc> its got a kickstand
17:34 <@I-MOD> so do i, doesn't mean i'll survive a tornado
17:35 <@I-MOD> :D
17:35 < Iceknife> yeah a kickstand makes you feel all safe..
17:35 < Iceknife> I want something that drills down into the core of the earth to hold on for dear life.
17:35 < ware> http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/01/26/monster.truck.death/index.html?eref=rss_us
17:35 <@rhia> Iceknife: i'd rather be underground
17:36 < ware> http://dsc.discovery.com/tv/storm-chasers/storm-chasers.html
17:36 < Iceknife> dang ware.. I've actually been to a couple monster truck national shows.
17:36 < Iceknife> that is irony.
17:37 < ware> read the last paragraph, shits sad
17:37 < Iceknife> didn't a little girl die earlier this year.
17:37 < ware> last week a 6yr old died from debris coming off one of the trucks / cars
17:38 < Iceknife> thats what I thought.
17:38 < Iceknife> those shows are great fun but looks like there will be some changes I assume now.
17:38 < ware> ive been to one when i was little
17:38 < ware> but we were way up away from it in the seats
17:39 < Iceknife> I went to one last year and took my nephew and we were in the second row.. It was a lot of fun.
17:39 < Iceknife> he had a blast.
17:39 < CRasH180> I remember going when I was a kid as well. Only once and never went again. They seemed so much more fun on TV
17:40 <@M0j0-j0j0> one of my sisters used to drive a monster truck
17:40 <@M0j0-j0j0> she's a freak
17:41 <@M0j0-j0j0> kinda cool to be dropped of at junior high in a monster truck
17:41 < eryc> http://www.vimeo.com/2317118 # new perspective on monster trucks
17:42 < Iceknife> yeah I love that style of video eryc.
17:42 < Iceknife> I want a fish eye lense and make some of them.
17:43 < eryc> it makes monster truck shows look stupid
17:43 < Iceknife> the boating one is pretty cool.
17:43 < Mercster> my dad took me to a monster truck show once, there was also stock car racing. think it mighta been at the bristol speedway
17:43 <@M0j0-j0j0> telcoBob said he's playin drums for some band tonight
17:43 < Mercster> not sure tho
17:43 < Mercster> was a long time ago
17:45 <@rhia> eryc: almost looks like  - toys
17:45 <@M0j0-j0j0> grew up in Daytona so did a lot of races... before I lived in FL we lived in OK and they had some cool funny car races I enjoyed as a kid
17:45 < Iceknife> does anyone remember what hitler video that the subtitles are spoofed so much on is called.
17:45 < Mercster> when i was a kid i also saw hulk hogan one time when WWF came to knoxville
17:47 < Iceknife> downfall that is it.
17:47 <@M0j0-j0j0> Andre the Giant
17:48 < Mercster> heh
17:48 < Mercster> ive seen a documentary on him...apparently he was a real nice guy, and also drank enough to kill a horse
17:48 < Mercster> literally
17:49 <@nachoguy> AtG? yeah, fucking super alcoholic
17:50 <@nachoguy> I love the story about him riding around in a bus in Japan, drinking heavily between publicity stops
17:50 <@M0j0-j0j0> yeah, as I remember his death was really sad (sorta pathetic if I recall)
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17:50 <@nachoguy> he'd whip his empties at this little intern bitch, guy with the name of Hulk Hogan  =>
17:52 <@M0j0-j0j0> and if Hogan Knows Best he'd get a sponsorship from Rogane.
17:52 <@Shadow404> Dolemite: yo!!!!!!!!!!!!!
17:53 <@Shadow404> apfelweizen, 4 months botttled, goood
17:54 <@M0j0-j0j0> for those who care TelcoBob is playing drums at some shithole in wake forest... I don't think he wants people to know where since he won't tell me.. so if you can track him down and you're in the area you might want to show up for moral support
17:55 <@Shadow404> wake forest where?
17:55 <@M0j0-j0j0> Wake Forest, NC
17:55 <@Shadow404> yeah, and most of us are <> nc
17:55 <@M0j0-j0j0> he won't tell me any more than that
17:59 <@M0j0-j0j0> alright kids
17:59 <@M0j0-j0j0> I'm headed to the gym
17:59 <@M0j0-j0j0> word to your mother
17:59 <@M0j0-j0j0> and your father too
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18:10 <@sasquatc4> ugggh, senate just approved a 4 month delay for dtv conversion
18:12 < eryc> ha
18:12 < scort> bah
18:12 < scort> why
18:12 < scort> i dont get it
18:13 <@sasquatc4> prolly cause the coupon program ran out of money
18:13 < scort> lol
18:14 <@sasquatc4> either way they just need to do it, like tearing off a bandaid, they already delayed it a year, another 4 months isnt gonna matter
18:14 < Mercster> who cares
18:15 < scort> my mom
18:15 < Mercster> YOWZA
18:15 < scort> how will she g et the FOX or NBC
18:15 <@Corydon76-lap> sasquatc4: yay
18:15 < Mercster> scort: your mom needs her maury
18:16 < Mercster> scort: IS HE THE BABY DADDY?!
18:16 <@Corydon76-lap> Anything that screws the big companies who bought the spectrum that was being used for analog is fine by me
18:16 <@Corydon76-lap> (as long as they don't get a federal bailout)
18:16 < scort> who bought it
18:16 <@Corydon76-lap> Verizon, AT&T, a few others
18:16 <@sasquatc4> well i dont know if i agree with them selling it, but its been sold and now its just screwing over everyone else since its keeping them from going full power
18:19 <@Corydon76-lap> If the phone companies can go back on their promises after the feds approved their mergers, then it's about time that the feds went back on their word to the telcos
18:20 <@Corydon76-lap> In fact, I think they should look at every broken promise made by the telcos and reverse every single merger where the terms were not kept.  Break up Ma Bell back into 20 regional OCs
18:21 <@sasquatc4> the telco's werent the only ones who bought the spectrum tho, i think echostar bought some along with a few others since it was good for regional wireless one-way communication
18:23 <@Corydon76-lap> If you swim with the sharks, don't be surprised if you get bitten
18:34 <@sdodson> hi
18:34 < Mercster> sdodson: eat it
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18:36 <@sdodson> Mercster: what?
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18:36 < Guest76576> sdodson: what
18:36 < Mercster> waaaat
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18:36 <@Shadow404> bai
18:37 <@sdodson> wtf is this?
18:38 < Mercster> your life!
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18:39 <@sdodson> Mercster: omg this sucks
18:40 <@sdodson> sooooooo I know nothing about football or the superbowl, should I go to a superbowl party or will I just be teh newb?
18:40 <@sdodson> hopefully atleast teh drunk newb
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18:41 <@sdodson> i hope you all die a horrible death!
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18:44 <@Shadow404> sdodson: me too ++\
18:47 <@rhia> sdodson: if you like the people who invited you, spend a 1/2 hr or so looking up the teams before hand so you'll know who Rothlisberger is, etc - then just hang out, shout when they do and eat free food
18:47 <@rhia> if you don't like them you may be beyond bored
18:48 < Mercster> sdodson: dont need to follow football to enjoy a game, just know how it's played and pick a team to root for
18:48 <@sasquatc4> or you can just be like most people and watch it for the commercials and to hang out and drink
18:48 <@sasquatc4> most people dont give a shit if you know anything about the game or not
18:48 < Mercster> sdodson: plus superbowl parties usually have booze and sometimes have women
18:48 < Mercster> i vote for going
18:48 <@rhia> most SB parties i've been to have been more about the party & halftime, maybe a few big plays - unless its a HUGE fan
18:48 < Mercster> you'll have fun
18:50 <@rhia> like, painted their car in team colors, then,  he wants to watch the game
18:50 <@rhia> otherwise, yeah, its a party
18:51 < Mercster> football is a fun game to watch anyway
18:52 <@Shadow404> bore
18:52 <@Shadow404> i turn it off, get high and pass out
18:52 <@scoil> does anyone have an example apache2 vhost config
18:53  * Mercster shakes his head
18:54 < Mercster> doesnt the default fucking httpd.conf have example vhost entries?
18:54 < Mercster> I GET THE FEELING YOU ARENT TRYING VERY HARD
18:55 <@scoil> no mine's blank
18:55 <@scoil> blank file
18:55 <@rhia> gah, who's the Steeler with the 80's rock hair?
18:56 < Mercster> #<VirtualHost *:80>
18:56 < Mercster> #    ServerAdmin webmaster@dummy-host.example.com
18:56 < Mercster> #    DocumentRoot /www/docs/dummy-host.example.com
18:56 < Mercster> #    ServerName dummy-host.example.com
18:56 < Mercster> #    ErrorLog logs/dummy-host.example.com-error_log
18:56 < Mercster> #    CustomLog logs/dummy-host.example.com-access_log common
18:56 < Mercster> #</VirtualHost>
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18:56 < Mercster> also #NameVirtualHost *:80
18:56 <@scoil> oic
18:57 <@scoil> wtf i got sendq'd
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19:11 <@Shadow404> i lawled
19:12 <@scoil> omg op abuse
19:12 <@Shadow404> omg, diaf scoil
19:12 <@scoil> not until you get me the domain
19:13 <@Shadow404> haha, im not buying you a domain, so stfu
19:13 <@scoil> then diaf asap
19:14 <@Shadow404> i need an eta on your diaf
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19:15 <@sdodson> Shadow404: Hey, stop being an ass captain.
19:16 < Mercster> Shadow404 admitted he sits down to pee
19:16 < Mercster> looooooooooooooooooooool
19:16 <@Shadow404> i doo
19:16 <@Shadow404> im a fucking oaf
19:16 <@Shadow404> of course i do
19:16 <@sdodson> oaf?
19:16 < Mercster> you're a delicate lady
19:16 <@Shadow404> lawl, that too Mercster
19:16 <@scoil> takes one to know one
19:16 < Mercster> I AM A DELICATE LADY TOO
19:17 < Mercster> deep inside
19:17 <@scoil> we know
19:17 <@Shadow404> we all are, i like wearing lady lingere
19:17 <@scoil> look at how your emotions are coming out
19:17 <@sdodson> So you gotta drop the kids off at the pool, do you stand, piss, sit down and let em fly or just plop down and take care of it all at once?
19:17 <@Shadow404> but hey, its soft and comfortable
19:17 < Mercster> haha
19:17 <@Shadow404> all at once
19:17 <@scoil> Shadow404 victorias secret is the shit
19:17 <@scoil> they got some good sales going on
19:17 <@Shadow404> hell yeah, they got my size too scoil
19:18 <@scoil> 1?
19:18 < Mercster> 100
19:18 <@Shadow404> 42/ 44
19:18 < Mercster> Big&Tall Men's Lingerie
19:18 <@scoil> in girls size?
19:18 <@Shadow404> aye, man, ebay all the way
19:19 <@Shadow404> thing is a use a seperate nick for ebay
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19:21 <@sdodson> Mercster: Can we get your input on this?
19:22 <@Shadow404> sdodson: diaf
19:23 <@Shadow404> im gonna go put on my lingere now, bbaib
19:23 < Mercster> well
19:23 < Mercster> i have a tiny little lady deep inside me
19:24 < Mercster> it's like a phantom vagina
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19:25 < scort> Mercster, w/e
19:29 <@Shadow404> much better
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20:10 < ware> new gf
20:10 < ware> http://www.lolstash.com/images/8uzb0l0zx9srikliwrga.jpg
20:14 < dasunt> WTF is wrong with slashnet?
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20:15 < ware> rattle got married?
20:15 <@dasunt> WTF?
20:16 < Mercster> lol
20:17 <@sdodson> what?
20:19 < ware> on facebook hes married
20:19 < ware> thats quite a commitment in itself
20:19 <@aestetix> Yeah, he just got married.
20:30 < Mercster> my nuts smell
20:31 < Iceknife> wash them for once.
20:34 < ware> thats what my gf said
20:39 < eryc> before she licked em
20:49 < ware> his nuts
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21:09 < Iceknife> http://www.kn34.com/screenclean.swf
21:19 <@Shadow404> lawl, im due for the big knot in april
21:33 <@jb7od> has anybody actually benched an openmosix cluster I wonder on the way to google..
21:33 <@Shadow404> Iceknife: that mutt does a better job of licking that ware's mom
21:34 < Iceknife> yeah but ware's mom has too much hair on her tongue :-p
21:44 <@Shadow404> good point
21:46 <@brimstone> openmosix?
21:46 <@brimstone> does anyone still use openmosix?
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21:48 <@mgalgoci> sup weirdos
21:50 <@brimstone> we're just all sitting around not being Mercster or MattThat
21:52 <@mgalgoci> if you knew me you'd know how ironic my statement was
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22:18 <@sdodson> mgalgoci: you're weird!
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22:21 <@sdodson> WTF FACEBOOK IS DOWN!!!
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22:22 <@sdodson> END OF THE WORLD = NOW!
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23:54 <@scoil> omg takeover!
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