--- Log opened Thu Jan 22 00:00:35 2009 00:17 <@Dagmar> eryc: Wow. Love those poor hashing algorithms 00:46 <@dasunt> Weirdly attractive crazy craiglist power of the night: http://minneapolis.craigslist.org/w4m/1002682980.html 00:48 <@dasunt> I really need to kill the part of my mind that links "she sounds batshit insane" with "I bet conversations with her kickass" 00:54 -!- ShadowHntr [n=sentinel@wikipedia/Shadowhntr] has joined #se2600 00:54 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o ShadowHntr] by ChanServ 01:02 <@jb7od> man this kiddie was knocking on my ftp for 11mb worth today. 01:02 <@jb7od> my logs weigh a ton. 01:03 <@jb7od> and that's just auth! 01:04 * jb7od gets screwdriver out to tighten denyhosts.. 01:05 <@jb7od> i'd have let him into the fuckin ftp had he asked lol. 01:05 <@jb7od> and guess what nmap types him as ubuntu 01:09 -!- jb7od [n=itsME@adsl-065-080-187-241.sip.bna.bellsouth.net] has left #se2600 ["off to add more ram.."] 01:10 -!- Dementia [n=sara@maxiez.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:18 <+eryc> President Obama retook his oath of office Wednesday after Chief Justice John Roberts flubbed while delivering it at Tuesday's inauguration. 01:18 <+eryc> http://cbs13.com/local/south.sacramento.suspect.2.914131.html 01:20 <+eryc> The secret to a more secure and cost effective government is through open source technologies and products. The claim comes from one of Silicon Valley's most respected business leaders Scott McNealy, a co-founder of Sun Microsystems. He revealed he has been asked to prepare a paper on the subject for the new administration. 01:23 -!- Dementia [n=sara@maxiez.com] has joined #se2600 01:23 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Dementia] by ChanServ 01:25 <+eryc> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW6_X9qBeds http://09.aid-dcc.com/ 01:32 -!- jb7od [n=itsME@adsl-065-080-187-241.sip.bna.bellsouth.net] has joined #se2600 01:32 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o jb7od] by ChanServ 01:50 -!- Dementia [n=sara@maxiez.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:57 -!- Dementia [n=sara@maxiez.com] has joined #se2600 01:57 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Dementia] by ChanServ 02:22 <@jb7od> Lotus Notes: worst email implementation on the earth. 02:26 <@jb7od> El Dorado: worst rum on the earth. 02:27 <@Corydon76-dig> Nominations for most annoying open source developer? 02:27 <@Corydon76-dig> Right now, Tzafrir Cohen of the Debian project is way up there 02:28 <@jb7od> i don't pay attention. why so? 02:28 <@Corydon76-dig> Bugs the piss out of me, suggesting that I should write to his specifications 02:29 <@Corydon76-dig> "fuck you, you want it that way, you write it that way" 02:29 -!- ShadowHntr [n=sentinel@wikipedia/Shadowhntr] has quit ["Leaving"] 02:29 <@jb7od> then why have you write? lomfl. sounds like he's got a plan anyway. why don't he just script it? 02:29 <@Corydon76-dig> Leave me the fuck out of that shit 02:30 <@jb7od> ya that's obnoxious. 02:30 <@Corydon76-dig> Basically I've already written something to do the job, but the way I wrote it isn't HIS way 02:30 <@jb7od> can that be overruled? 02:31 <@jb7od> or rationalized on his end in some way? 02:31 <+eryc> urdoinit wrong 02:31 <@Corydon76-dig> I can be overruled, but not likely 02:31 <@jb7od> we talking procedurally or like syntactically (e.g. always start these with a tab) 02:31 <@Corydon76-dig> Yeah, he wants stuff in a particular way to reduce his own workload 02:32 <@jb7od> psh 02:32 <@Corydon76-dig> We're talking me writing a Makefile that conforms with the project, and he wants a Makefile that conforms to some other standard 02:33 <@jb7od> so he wants two? 02:33 <@Corydon76-dig> No, he wants us to completely dump our dependency system 02:33 <@aestetix> vagina! 02:34 <@Corydon76-dig> Not likely 02:34 <@jb7od> i'd say. 02:34 <@Corydon76-dig> Ours is written to make it easy for Joe Blow to assemble a system. He wants it in a way that lets him build automated. 02:35 <@jb7od> damn. 02:35 <@jb7od> is there alot of rework for that? 02:36 <@Corydon76-dig> He could build his into ours, but he doesn't want to do that 02:36 <@jb7od> seems like he could do joeblowbuildforpickybastards.sh and have done with it. 02:37 <@Corydon76-dig> He could, yes 02:37 <@Corydon76-dig> I'm just sick of it 02:37 -!- ShadowHntr [n=sentinel@wikipedia/Shadowhntr] has joined #se2600 02:37 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o ShadowHntr] by ChanServ 02:38 <@jb7od> i don't know how big a choad he is, vs. our domain admin, you have my empathy. 02:41 <@jb7od> is that something you could make for him? meaning a script that would carry over however many projects. idk what ur up to really but you could automate a solution to the problem he presents. 02:42 <@jb7od> stopbotheringmecohen.sh 02:42 <@jb7od> i want peace for all my ppls. 02:44 <@jb7od> idk. in reality you do too much o 02:45 <@jb7od> i'm unfit to speak on. except for dealing with shitheads. 02:50 <@jb7od> as joe blow, i don't really use anything but the binaries from deb anyway. if i want to be like make config & make & make install, it's always on slackware. but i think it's super consious of you to provide the choice, very respectable, important even. 02:51 <@jb7od> those schools collide. 02:54 <+eryc> you cant automate the build? LAME 02:55 <+eryc> fucking dipshit crappy opensource programmers and their crappy Makefiles 02:55 <+eryc> fucking learn automake! 02:55 <+eryc> that is all, goodnight 02:55 <@jb7od> haha 02:56 <@Corydon76-dig> WE can automate the build; he's just not satisfied with our method 03:05 <@jb7od> you will prevail. 03:05 <@Corydon76-dig> I'm pretty sure I will; I just have to listen to his crap 03:06 <@jb7od> i've got to go to sleep so i can not snap on my antagonists in the morning, pzpz Corydon76-dig. "brush em off" lol 03:10 -!- Netsplit brown.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: +minerale, Mercster, @ChanServ, +shadowmoss, @oddball, @scoil 03:11 -!- Netsplit over, joins: @scoil, Mercster, @oddball, @ChanServ, +shadowmoss, +minerale 03:22 -!- TheLightcosine [i=0c1314c9@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/session] has joined #se2600 03:34 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o TheLightcosine] by ChanServ 03:49 -!- Cynefrid [n=whee@71-85-152-137.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:08 -!- ShadowHntr [n=sentinel@wikipedia/Shadowhntr] has quit ["*sneeze*"] 07:08 <@Shadow404> what would be a normal advertising cost for a single text advertisement link on a low-traffic (300<) hits a month? 07:08 <@Shadow404> scratch that, (~530hits/month) 07:15 <@TheLightcosine> 50 cents? lol 07:21 <@Shadow404> yeah, well, just googled searched keywords form this email, apparently its a company called linkstar 07:21 <@TheLightcosine> now here's a question, why can you connect back to your own windows shares via \\127.0.0.1 but not through \\localhost 07:21 <@Shadow404> and they do search engine optimization by inserting text links into a bunch of diffrent high search hit sites 07:21 <@Shadow404> for diffrent subjects 07:22 <@Shadow404> so its like spam, but not 07:22 <@TheLightcosine> heh 07:23 <@Shadow404> hmm, this could be a fun email correspondence 07:23 <@TheLightcosine> you could theoretically DDoS someone that way , inject enoguh links around the internet asnd jsut ramp traffic up to them 07:24 <@Shadow404> oh, that would be profitable if you had enough ads on this ddos page 07:24 <@Shadow404> in theory, this could be legally profitable 07:25 <@Shadow404> hmm, i should think this out a little more, i may be on to something 07:31 -!- m0j0-j0j0 [n=mj0j0@cpe-071-070-196-019.nc.res.rr.com] has quit ["Leaving."] 07:39 <@brimstone> did google buy feedburner recently or something? 07:40 <@brimstone> http://www.feedburner.com/google yup :( 07:45 <@critch> TheLightcosine: For your windows share question, I am guessing it is matching the host value to itself. \\127.0.0.1, yep I have that, \\localhost, nope, I an Win-john 07:47 -!- captiancrash [n=jonmoore@70.159.118.70] has joined #se2600 07:50 <@Shadow404> brimstone: i could of told you that a few months ago....tehehe 07:50 <@brimstone> 2 of my videocast feeds finally changed urls and broke my downloader :/ 07:50 <@brimstone> well, didn't break it, but it just wanted to redownload all the episodes again 07:50 <@Shadow404> brimstone: check the dns server for www.feedburner.com 07:51 <@brimstone> pnap.net? 07:51 <@brimstone> hey, that's you guys 07:52 <@Shadow404> yep 07:53 <@Shadow404> hence i new that long before it went public 07:53 <@Shadow404> but not thats is public, well... 07:53 <@Shadow404> *now 08:20 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez! 08:25 < Mercster> yea whats so morning about it 08:28 <@Dolemite> Well, it's more of a fact than a judgement call. 08:52 <@polerin> hey WoW heads... Does it use opengl or directx? 08:52 <@TheLightcosine> opengl i think, hard to remember 08:52 <@Dolemite> yes 08:52 < Mercster> polerin: either 08:52 * polerin nods 08:53 <@critch> polerin: the opengl works well via wine on linux 08:53 < Mercster> polerin: SET gxApi "opengl" in config.wtf, it'll do opengl 08:53 < Mercster> which is required in wine 08:53 <@critch> hmm, don't think I did that on mine 08:53 <@polerin> I'm not playing myself, it was a general question from another channel 08:53 <@polerin> :) 08:54 < Mercster> seems as of 3.0.8 theres a weird opengl bug where your mouse cursor disappears over far-away terrain 08:54 < Mercster> kinda sucks 08:54 < Mercster> i had to crank view distance way down as a workaround 08:54 -!- Drag0n` [n=dragon@12.116.138.30] has joined #se2600 08:54 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Drag0n`] by ChanServ 08:54 <@critch> yep, no gzApi in my Config.wtf 08:55 <@Dolemite> critch : It's not needed, it uses opengl if it finds it 08:55 <@Dolemite> that was a requirement for earlier versions of wine/wow 08:55 <@Dolemite> just like that addon for the display settings is no longer needed 08:56 <@critch> hmm, I started playing around 2 years ago, never set it. 08:56 < Mercster> Dolemite: i had to set it before WoW would even run for the first time after install. perhaps for certain setups that have been tweaked for directX it'll work, but out of the box, it never has for me 08:56 < Mercster> critch: anyways, opengl will probably get you much performance gain, if you set it. i suggest you at least give it a whirl 08:56 <@Dolemite> My system hasn't been tweaked for DirectX 08:57 < Mercster> also, giving WoW an -opengl flag can do it 08:57 < Mercster> winehq suggests -opengl, or editing the config.wtf 08:57 * Mercster shrugs 08:57 < Mercster> http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=14154 08:58 <@critch> I use the -opengl 08:58 < Mercster> ah 08:58 < Mercster> nod 09:03 <@TheLightcosine> arrrg! 09:03 <@TheLightcosine> there's no reaching some people 09:03 -!- M0j0-j0j0 [n=Mojo_Joj@rrcs-70-62-123-52.midsouth.biz.rr.com] has joined #se2600 09:03 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o M0j0-j0j0] by ChanServ 09:04 <@TheLightcosine> "I closed a document without saving, how do i get it back?" "you can't" "but it does backups every hour" "yes, but it can't backup what you didn't save" "but i've seen the previous verisons thing before" 09:04 <@Dolemite> Mercster : And yeah, I was getting annoyed as hell trying to fight dragons in Coldarra last night for the daily when I couldn't see my cursor. 09:04 <@TheLightcosine> "but you didin't actually save the document anywhere" "but doesn't it save it every hour" 09:05 < Mercster> Dolemite: apparently it's a WoW bug, and fixable by setting hardware cursor for 'doze folks...but, hardware cursor isnt possible in opengl mode 09:05 <@M0j0-j0j0> TheLightcosine: most stuff has autosave because of people like that 09:05 < Mercster> Dolemite: so wine folks are fucked 09:05 < Mercster> Dolemite: apparently the "workaround" is to set view distance 2 ticks above lowest possible 09:06 < Mercster> Dolemite: seemed to work for me, though, not very cool 09:11 <@TheLightcosine> gack, i am actually getting pangs for wow, must....fight...relapse 09:11 <@TheLightcosine> which reminds me i need to cancel my EVE account also 09:20 < Mercster> i tried eve once but it didnt grab me 09:20 < Mercster> best MMORPGs ive played are UO, LOTRO, Asheron's Call 1 and WoW 09:21 < Mercster> id like to try warhammer 09:21 < Mercster> last time i checked it wasnt trivial to get going under wine, which is a consideration for me 09:21 < Mercster> apparently LOTRO is playable but requires all kinds of massaging to get going 09:22 < Mercster> WoW is 110% in wine, so, i play that ;-) 09:24 < Mercster> i guess if WoW sucked id try harder to get something else working, but, it doesnt 09:35 <@nachoguy> mr0nin 09:41 <@brimstone> hi nachoguy 09:48 -!- MudFlap [n=MudFlap@66.64.202.66.nw.nuvox.net] has quit [] 10:11 <@TheLightcosine> really LOTRO was good? 10:12 <@TheLightcosine> i find that surprising 10:12 <@TheLightcosine> nice thing about eve is that the whole thing runs on python, totally cross-plat 10:12 <@TheLightcosine> i just dun have the time for mmos anymore tho 10:13 <@TheLightcosine> "sorry guys, hold the raid my, 2 year old just borke something and the baby is screaming!" =P 10:22 < Mercster> TheLightcosine: i thought so *shrug* 10:22 < Mercster> course ive been a tolkien nerd from an early age 10:22 < Mercster> the game mechanics are sane but, there's something about walking around in middle earth, the lore and whatnot 10:23 < Mercster> i enjoyed it 10:24 <@polerin> TheLightcosine: lol yeah 10:24 <@TheLightcosine> i just figured it'd feel really contrived, but i never played it so i can't really make a judgement 10:25 < Mercster> TheLightcosine: not at all...mechanics are solid 10:25 <@TheLightcosine> hell i sat and played EQ off and on for god knows how long and really that game was boring as hell when you think about it 10:25 < Mercster> heh 10:25 < Mercster> you might think the same thing about asheron's call, AC2 sucked but talk to anyone who spent time in AC1, it was a glorious thing to behold 10:26 <@TheLightcosine> *grind* *grind* *grind*go to pok to make money selling chants on chanter* *grind* *grind* *grind* *go to bazaar and leave your char there while you sleep* 10:26 < Mercster> nah, LOTRO stole enough from WoW that it's cool :) lots of quests, instances, etc etc 10:26 < Mercster> but it has the benefit of a fantastic fantasy universe 10:27 <@TheLightcosine> EVE is really just slightly above bald-faced grinding and yet was still somehow fun, i just can't afford the ivnestment in time 10:28 <@nachoguy> Kingdom Of Loathing ftw! 10:28 <@TheLightcosine> lol 10:29 < Mercster> TheLightcosine: as long as the universe kind of enthralls you (i.e. the attraction of running a huge ship in the vast vacuum of space) you'll be willing to put up with more shitty gameplay 10:29 < Mercster> TheLightcosine: it's an imagination thing 10:29 < Mercster> WoW is probably more engaging than LOTRO, but i have just as much fun with LOTRO because my imagination is engaged while playing 10:29 < Mercster> that kinda thing 10:29 < Mercster> just a theory 10:30 <@nachoguy> TLC, ever play it? 10:30 <@TheLightcosine> nacho: no but all my friends started palying it years ago, and some still do 10:30 < Mercster> dunno what that is 10:30 < Mercster> oh 10:31 <@TheLightcosine> Mercster: makes sense, how many bad games did we play on the NES just because they were interesting back in the day heh 10:31 < Mercster> TheLightcosine: nod 10:32 <@TheLightcosine> hell i played anything i could get my hands on back then, i still remmeber Mario's time Machine as probably the worst nes game i ever played 10:32 <@nachoguy> I haven't played in months. at first it was like "i can play in 20 minutes a day", then I got into it and with some strategy and planning, it turned into like 3-4 hours a day 10:33 <@TheLightcosine> what i will forever miss is the hayday of MU*s and text-based strategy games 10:33 <@TheLightcosine> ohh shareplay.com why did you leave us 10:33 <@polerin> I'm hoping that vehicular games become more popular soon 10:34 <@TheLightcosine> did anyone else ehre ever play Monarchy? 10:34 < Mercster> TheLightcosine: yeah, MUDs are cool. but you can see so many of the parallels in WoW (EQ was even closer to a mud, the designers basically took it as a project to add a GUI onto diku mud) 10:34 < Mercster> polerin: vehicular MMOs? 10:34 <@polerin> vehicular games in general 10:34 < Mercster> ... 10:34 < Mercster> ever heard of need for speed? 10:34 <@I-MOD> or burnout 10:35 <@brimstone> i like the vehicles in UT3 10:35 <@TheLightcosine> brimstone: yeah when you can actually get into em ebcause the game finally stopped clipping =P 10:35 < Mercster> hell, grand theft auto is largely vehicular 10:35 <@brimstone> works fine on my 7600GS 10:35 <@TheLightcosine> even on my brand new alienware that game runs like dogshit 10:36 <@polerin> I actually need to play the GTA's, never bothered 10:36 <@nachoguy> diku++ 10:36 < Mercster> polerin: !! you'd love em 10:36 <@polerin> Mercster: that's not for sure 10:36 <@polerin> because 10:36 <@TheLightcosine> hrm, i think i still have the original top-down GTA on a backup disc somewhere 10:36 < Mercster> id say it's a good probability ;-) 10:36 < Mercster> TheLightcosine: heh, yeah. that one kinda sucked :) compared to 3 10:37 <@TheLightcosine> no way dude 10:37 <@polerin> keep in mind my favorite game of all time is descent 10:37 <@TheLightcosine> original GTA was amazing 10:37 <@TheLightcosine> what has always made the series a winner in my mind is that you truly can just pick it up and put it down at will 10:37 < Mercster> TheLightcosine: it certainly had a charm of its own, and was a good base to build the franchise on...but...trying to play it after you've played GTA3 for me at least, is an exercize in futility 10:37 < Mercster> polerin: well they dont you play GTA3 and let us know 10:38 < Mercster> TheLightcosine: yeah, sandbox 10:38 <@TheLightcosine> oh well, yeah the controls were frustrating to say the least 10:38 < Mercster> TheLightcosine: sandbox games rule 10:38 < Mercster> "go do whatever you want" wheeeee! 10:38 <@TheLightcosine> but for the time it came out, i couldn't beleive everything you could do 10:38 < Mercster> TheLightcosine: nod 10:39 <@TheLightcosine> i remmeber the first time i ran a police roadblock in that game, i freaked out cus i didn't know they could even do that 10:39 < Mercster> my favorite series of all time is Ultima 10:39 < Mercster> which kind of pioneered the whole sandbox idea 10:39 <@polerin> ultima underworld 10:39 <@polerin> yum 10:39 < Mercster> as far as RPGs go, elder scrolls have taken up that torch 10:39 < Mercster> sandbox gaming 10:39 <@TheLightcosine> my brother was always more into Ultima 10:39 <@polerin> yeah ultima was fun 10:39 < Mercster> go anywhere, do anything style gameplay 10:39 <@TheLightcosine> go back even further, the old King's Quest games 10:39 < Mercster> of course with that comes the consequence that some places you can go, you'll get wiped out very quickly :) but it was the freedom that was attractive 10:40 < Mercster> TheLightcosine: yeah those were cool. when i got my first computer (appleIIe) i got two games with it...the black cauldron (kings quest-style game) and ultima 5 10:40 <@polerin> but I did enjoy the underworld more... it .. oh wow they've patched it to run on xp 10:40 <@polerin> :D 10:41 < Mercster> got a lot of use out of both of them, but, probably more out of ultima 10:41 < Mercster> polerin: ever played Ultima 7? widely regarded as tyhe best of the series. 10:41 <@TheLightcosine> i keep meaning to find a way to get TIE Fighter to run on a mdoern comupter 10:41 < Mercster> there's even an open source engine allowing you to play ultima7 under any OS/circumstance... called "exult" 10:41 < Mercster> TheLightcosine: dosbox 10:41 < Mercster> TheLightcosine: ive done it :) 10:42 <@TheLightcosine> did it run well? 10:42 < Mercster> very well 10:42 < Mercster> no problems whatsoever 10:42 <@polerin> Mercster: don't remeber. I do remeber how much I enjoyed underworld though because of the realtime thing 10:42 <@TheLightcosine> i tried one dos emu but it was fucking draconic 10:42 <@polerin> which is more my style 10:42 < Mercster> polerin: yea...all ultima games keep time that way...one of the cool things about them. ultima underworld are sort of a precursor to the elder scrolls games...oh, you probably meant realtime combat. i hear ya 10:42 <@polerin> yes 10:42 <@TheLightcosine> somewhere i still have a copy of X-com sitting around heh 10:43 < Mercster> TheLightcosine: dosbox is a fucking work of art man 10:43 <@polerin> realtime combat 10:43 <@TheLightcosine> it was still shrink-wrapped but my wife opened it!!! 10:43 < Mercster> TheLightcosine: if you havent tried dosbox, its time you downloaded it 10:43 < Mercster> dosemu isnt shit compared to dosbox 10:43 <@polerin> Mercster: you know what people forgot? 10:43 <@polerin> the fucking krondor games 10:43 < Mercster> polerin: wassat 10:43 <@TheLightcosine> i may do that there's some old cheasy games i'd lvoe to play again 10:43 <@polerin> <3 krondor 10:43 < Mercster> oh, yeah 10:43 < Mercster> ad&d gold box 10:43 < Mercster> those work in dosbox too 10:43 <@polerin> wasn't really ad&d 10:44 <@polerin> the combat might have been.. not sure 10:44 <@TheLightcosine> i remember playing an ad&d strategy game that was a hex-board style game that was amazing, i iwsh i could remmeber the bloody title 10:44 < Mercster> TheLightcosine: dude if you know anything about RPG DOS games you know, ultima 7/8 was notoriously impossible to run even on real DOS hardware...required a bunch of autoexec.bat hacking and careful tweaking....never ran under dosemu or other emus...but dosbox? runs ultima 7/8 perfectly 10:44 <@polerin> but the story was straight from the the Raymond E. Fiest stories 10:44 < Mercster> so really 10:44 < Mercster> you should check out dosbox 10:44 < Mercster> i have a 12G archive of old DOS games i got off of netnews :) 10:45 < Mercster> just about anything you could imagine, released between 1979-1995 10:45 <@TheLightcosine> Mercster: if you don't already know -> http://www.the-underdogs.info/ 10:45 < Mercster> TheLightcosine: yep, good site 10:45 < Mercster> abandonia, etc etc 10:45 <@TheLightcosine> found it when i was looking for a copy of Clsoe Combat: A Bridge too Far 10:45 <@Evilpig> all I have to say about old dos games that were near impossible to make run... kings quest 6? or was it 5? the one in the story book setting with alice in wonderland, etc 10:46 < Mercster> TheLightcosine: didnt underdogs remove most download links? 10:46 < Mercster> they did at some point 10:46 < Mercster> maybe they offer downloads again 10:46 <@TheLightcosine> dunno 10:46 < Mercster> they got stung by companies worried about IP 10:46 <@TheLightcosine> haven't been there in a couple years 10:46 <@TheLightcosine> i hate that lucasarts won't abandon Afterlife but you can't buy a copy anymore either 10:47 < Mercster> Evilpig: yeah, many old DOS games were a PITA. that's what's so great about dosbox, they seem to have finally figured out a virtualized environment flexible enough to run *anything* 10:47 <@polerin> descent was actually pretty cool 10:47 <@polerin> not bad to run .. untill you got to 98 10:47 <@TheLightcosine> the old starfighter game? 10:47 <@polerin> which was sorta twitchy 10:47 <@polerin> course, descent was doom era 10:48 < Mercster> was descent the one that was like, 3d movement? 10:48 < Mercster> made people nauseous? 10:48 < Mercster> going down tubes and such 10:49 <@TheLightcosine> yeah i rememebr that, i think i had it on win95 10:49 < Mercster> you didnt run so much as float/fly through the environment 10:49 < Mercster> it was like doom in a little spacepod 10:49 < Mercster> vaguely remember it 10:49 <@TheLightcosine> oooh, or Comanche 10:50 <@TheLightcosine> i sued to play all the combat simultaror type games, like Comcanche or the mechwarrior games 10:50 <@TheLightcosine> US Navy fighters all that bullshit 10:50 < Mercster> oh yeah man, mechwarrior FTW 10:50 < Mercster> and yes, all the old jet sims 10:50 < Mercster> F18 10:50 < Mercster> F22 10:50 < Mercster> etc 10:50 <@TheLightcosine> why did they stop making mechwarrior games? 10:50 < Mercster> dunno, mechs went out of vogue i guess 10:50 <@TheLightcosine> well there have been rashes of cheap knocksoffs 10:50 <@TheLightcosine> such as armoured core 10:50 <@Shadow404> no no no 10:51 <@Shadow404> jeffighter was a good sim 10:51 * Mercster pushes TheLightcosine towards http://www.dosbox.com/ 10:51 <@Shadow404> *jetfighter 10:51 < Mercster> i remember the one i played most on my amiga was F15 iirc 10:51 <@Shadow404> and top gun fire at will was amazing 10:51 <@TheLightcosine> oh god, going back here, who else remembers Star Control 2?! 10:51 <@Shadow404> oh yes, that was a good one 10:51 < Mercster> TheLightcosine: hah...there are open source clones of SC :) 10:51 <@Shadow404> so was chuck yeager 10:51 <@TheLightcosine> haha that rocks 10:51 < Mercster> Shadow404: yeah, that was hardcore tho 10:51 < Mercster> Shadow404: srs shit 10:52 < Mercster> actually all those older flight sims were 10:52 <@TheLightcosine> hell i have a web-based zork in my favourites lsit ehre at work ;) 10:52 < Mercster> TheLightcosine: heh 10:52 <@TheLightcosine> http://thcnet.net/zork/index.php 10:53 < Mercster> uqm.i386 : The Ur-Quan Masters, a port of the classic game Star Control II 10:53 < Mercster> yum search 10:53 < Mercster> TheLightcosine: go hunt for 'ur-quan mastersd 10:53 < Mercster> erm 10:53 < Mercster> TheLightcosine: go hunt for 'ur-quan masters' 10:53 < Mercster> dunno if yer in linux or winderz 10:53 <@Shadow404> oh, how about the original silent hunter 10:54 <@TheLightcosine> i'm at work, so windows, hence the webclient 10:54 <@Shadow404> captain goodnight 10:54 <@TheLightcosine> oooh or Wing Commander! 10:54 <@Shadow404> zorro for apple IIe 10:54 <@Shadow404> wing commander ++ 10:54 < Mercster> TheLightcosine: http://sc2.sourceforge.net/ 10:55 <@TheLightcosine> sweet 10:55 <@TheLightcosine> that reminds me someone sent me a link to an x-com clone a while back need to find that again 10:55 < Mercster> there's also a very good open source port of elite 10:55 <@Shadow404> legends of kesmai was cool port 10:55 <@TheLightcosine> when i still had my HTC smartphone at verizon i had a port of x-com for windows mobile that some russians had done 10:55 <@TheLightcosine> it was fucking awesome 10:56 < Mercster> Shadow404: hah...i remember playing the graphical kesmai 10:56 <@TheLightcosine> oooh, okay who remembers fucking Battle Chess? 10:56 < Mercster> Shadow404: on that online network thing 10:56 < Mercster> what was it 10:56 < Mercster> TheLightcosine: haaaaah. yeah :) 10:56 <@TheLightcosine> prodigy? 10:56 < Mercster> mmmm no 10:56 < Mercster> ummm 10:56 < Mercster> dammit 10:57 < Mercster> haha 10:57 < Mercster> gamestorm 10:57 <@TheLightcosine> battle chess was the shit "yeah, my rook just fucking ATE your queen bitch!" 10:57 < Mercster> TheLightcosine: yeah it added a visceral edge to chess 10:57 < Mercster> made taking a piece more fun ;-) 10:57 <@TheLightcosine> oh some of em were brutal 10:57 <@brimstone> i love battle chess! 10:57 <@TheLightcosine> that's a game i'd love to have again 10:58 <@TheLightcosine> that and the Star Wars chess one which was similair but more modern 10:59 < Mercster> it wasnt until years and years after battlechess that i actually learned to play ;-) 10:59 < Mercster> semi-decently 10:59 < Mercster> which reminds me, i should setup eboard 10:59 < Mercster> and get back into freechess.org 11:00 <@TheLightcosine> heh i got really good at chess for a while, the game i could never play well was fucking backgammon 11:00 < Mercster> never played backgammon 11:00 <@TheLightcosine> back in the days of The Zone i tried playing backgammon and learned i suck awful 11:01 < Mercster> ive heard it can get quite deep tho 11:01 <@TheLightcosine> that was usually just to pass time till i could find a Jedi Knight game though heh 11:01 < Mercster> lol 11:01 < Mercster> light sabres > 11:01 < Mercster> oh thats another game id like to play, KOTR 11:02 < Mercster> should get that going under wine 11:02 < Mercster> TOO MANY GAMES, NOT ENOUGH BRAINCELLS 11:03 <@TheLightcosine> heh 11:03 <@TheLightcosine> KOTOR was fucking amazing, KOTOR2 was highly dissapointing 11:04 < Mercster> didnt play kotor2...only did about 1/5th of kotor 11:04 <@TheLightcosine> i expect the new mmo will be rather dissapointing too 11:04 < Mercster> TheLightcosine: cant suck harder than the first star wars mmo did 11:04 < Mercster> surely they'll learn some lessons 11:04 <@TheLightcosine> lol, so you don't even know about the surprise plot twist? 11:04 < Mercster> i had a friend who played the star wars MMO, it turned into barbie dollhouse 11:05 < Mercster> him and his guild just re-arranged furniture 11:05 <@TheLightcosine> hah star wars galaxies, i once ehard someone describe it as a "really ncie terrain engine with a built in chat client" 11:05 < Mercster> hours a day 11:05 < Mercster> yeah 11:05 <@TheLightcosine> i played that for all of a week 11:05 <@TheLightcosine> just slightly shroter than CoH 11:05 < Mercster> haha 11:05 < Mercster> i played CoH for about 2 hours 11:05 < Mercster> when it first came out 11:05 < Mercster> quickly uninstalled 11:06 <@TheLightcosine> i kept trying different charachters 11:06 < Mercster> they still send me email "Please come back, it's better now!" 11:06 <@TheLightcosine> eventually i realised "no matter what kind of charachter you play, this isn't fun." 11:06 < Mercster> heh 11:07 <@TheLightcosine> actually the game i wish i could still get to work more than nything is Master of Orion 3 11:07 <@TheLightcosine> but it has seevre directx issues everytime i try and play it 11:08 <@TheLightcosine> i once sank 3 entire days into a single game of MOO3 11:08 < Mercster> something tells me there's a MOO open source thingie too 11:08 <@TheLightcosine> it should probably be illegal to make games like that, it's dangerous to us mildly OCD people 11:09 <@critch> Mercster: lambda moo was opensourced 11:09 <@TheLightcosine> my wife and i used to play horrendous games of Civ 3 before we had kids 11:09 <@critch> of course the year after I was kicked out of college, they restricted access to MOO's during normal class hours 11:10 < Mercster> heh...just started up ur-quan masters, it's downloading "data files" from the 'net 11:10 < Mercster> i.e. the original gamefiles 11:10 < Mercster> critch: bah. no that moo ;-) 11:10 < Mercster> s/no/not 11:10 < Mercster> TheLightcosine: ive found freeciv to be pretty awesome 11:13 <@TheLightcosine> heh i just remembered one of the things i couldn't stand in wow 11:13 < Mercster> it benefits from a fancy tileset downloaded from the main freeciv site 11:13 <@TheLightcosine> i distinctly remember telling a kid "look, I was playing the original Orcs vs. humans when you were just an itch in your dad's nutsack" 11:14 <@TheLightcosine> which porobably wasn't technically correct as i can't rmember when the first Warcraft came out 11:14 < Mercster> early 90s id say 11:14 <@TheLightcosine> PC System Requirements 11:14 < Mercster> Warcraft: Orcs & Humans (1994) - real-time strategy game 11:14 <@TheLightcosine> 386/20 with 4MB RAM 11:14 < Mercster> 94 11:14 <@Evilpig> archers owned in that game 11:14 <@TheLightcosine> MS-DOS 5.0 or Highe 11:14 <@TheLightcosine> VGA Video Card 11:14 <@TheLightcosine> Microsoft Compatible Mouse 11:15 <@TheLightcosine> CD-ROM Required for Movies 11:15 <@TheLightcosine> LOL! 11:15 < Mercster> TheLightcosine: you really cant expect the majority of gamers playing WoW to have been around in 94 ;-) 11:15 <@TheLightcosine> heh,all us 'old' people in the guild started keeping to ourselves lol 11:16 <@TheLightcosine> i told the one guild officer he wasn't allowed to talk about 'Hardcore' if he wasn't even alive in the 80s 11:16 < Mercster> i think my guild is full of mainly people younger than me, but, eh 11:16 < Mercster> just gotta try to find a group of people who arent dumb 11:17 <@TheLightcosine> i like that video game companies are trying to sell our childhoods back to us 11:17 <@TheLightcosine> i mean for god's sake a new bionic commando? 11:17 <@TheLightcosine> bionic fucking commando 11:18 < Mercster> TheLightcosine: i have a couple friends who are enthralled and worshipful of handheld gaming devices 11:18 <@polerin> <_< 11:18 <@polerin> I actually read the bionic commando book 11:18 <@polerin> lol 11:18 < Mercster> PSP, DS< etc etc 11:18 <@TheLightcosine> ohh 11:18 < Mercster> and they always sound so stupid to me 11:18 < Mercster> "DUDE DID YOU SEE PSP PRINCE OF PERSIA!?" 11:19 < Mercster> yeah, uh, port of the 1994-era prince of persia game, lovingly crafted down into 2.5" of screen real estate 11:19 < Mercster> congrats, you're a moron 11:19 <@TheLightcosine> heh i remember when handheld gaming devices were those Tiger electronics games 11:19 < Mercster> and these guys are older with wives and kids and stuff, its not like they ever leave the house with these devices 11:19 <@TheLightcosine> see that's what i dun get 11:19 <@TheLightcosine> what's the point? 11:20 < Mercster> they just love sitting on their couch staring at a tiny screen, playing half-assed ports of games that are available on other architectures 11:20 < Mercster> i dont know 11:20 <@TheLightcosine> when i was a kid i had a gameboy i snuck around in my bookbag sure, but anywhere i got i have access to a computer lol 11:21 <@TheLightcosine> now if i commuted on a train every dya then i could definately get into a gameboy 11:21 <@Evilpig> http://hannamontana.com <-- points to loopback 11:22 <@TheLightcosine> hahahaha 11:23 <@TheLightcosine> ugg, for once i am dreading the end of the work-day 11:26 <@nachoguy> why? 11:26 <@TheLightcosine> because after work i have to go to the Dentist for the first of many many visits 11:27 <@nachoguy> fun 11:27 <@TheLightcosine> yeah well, not much i can do to avoid it, i have a smile like a hockey goalie who won't wear a face mask 11:28 < Mercster> my teeth are fucked too 11:28 < Mercster> ive gotta get to the dentist and have like, 6 pulled 11:28 < Mercster> back ones 11:29 <@TheLightcosine> yeah, unfortunately these are my top-fronts 11:29 <@TheLightcosine> most of them are already broken 11:29 < Mercster> eek :/ 11:29 < Mercster> yeah my back ones are all broken off at the gum line 11:29 < Mercster> ugly stuff 11:29 < Mercster> ah well, better to get them out and deal with it 11:30 < Mercster> bad teeth == bad health 11:30 <@TheLightcosine> yeah i know, which is the only reason i'm doing this. i i knew going in it wouldn't be easy but hearing the D-word kind takes the heart out of you 11:30 < Mercster> nod 11:31 <@TheLightcosine> hunh, on a side note did anyone else no that the original villain of bionic commando was hitler, but nintendo had to change it for the american version? 11:32 <@polerin> really? 11:32 <@polerin> lol 11:32 <@TheLightcosine> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bionic_Commando_(NES) 11:33 <@TheLightcosine> i was pretty young when it came out so i'm not surprised iddn't know about that 11:33 < Mercster> polerin: nintendo for a looooooong time censored their video games 11:34 < Mercster> it wasnt until maybe the last generation or so (what was that, gamecube) that they started to allow more violent content 11:34 <@polerin> they still censor 11:34 <@TheLightcosine> well it was only the us version though 11:34 <@polerin> all of the big three do 11:34 < Mercster> nintendo games in the nes/snes/n64 era were notorious for featuring censorhsip of violence/adult themes 11:34 <@TheLightcosine> my favourite is still super Mario Brothers 2 11:34 < Mercster> polerin: yeah but in the context of this conversation you "lol"d at something pretty elementary 11:34 < Mercster> so im giving you new information 11:35 <@TheLightcosine> the japense decided SMB2 was too hard for Americans so they took an old famicom game called Dream Factory: Doki doki Panic, put mario charachters voer the original charachters and called it Super Mario Brothers 2 11:35 <@rhia> TheLightcosine: just reading super mario brothers gets the songs stuck in my head 11:35 < Mercster> rhia: what i like to watch is those kids on youtube who have learned the super mario theme on guitar 11:35 <@TheLightcosine> the real super mario bros 2 was then later released in All Stars as "The lost Levels" 11:35 < Mercster> there's even one japanese kid who does it on two guitars simultaneously 11:35 < Mercster> it's fuckin nuts 11:35 <@TheLightcosine> ?! 11:36 <@nachoguy> they were right to do it, those levels were fucking insane 11:36 <@TheLightcosine> nachoguy: : indeed 11:36 <@TheLightcosine> and what asshole came up with posion mushrooms 11:36 < Mercster> oh 11:36 < Mercster> here it is 11:36 <@rhia> TheLightcosine: tea, man, shroom tea 11:36 < Mercster> TheLightcosine / rhia / polerin: check this out 11:37 < Mercster> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZpD0btOZx8 11:37 < Mercster> that kid is crazy 11:38 <@TheLightcosine> wth, he's not picking, just fretting? 11:38 < Mercster> yeah 11:38 < Mercster> rhythm on one hand, lead on the other 11:39 <@TheLightcosine> that is seriously nuts 11:39 <@TheLightcosine> he's probably miyamoto's nephew or something heh 11:39 <@rhia> ah, that's zack kim 11:40 <@TheLightcosine> u say that as if we should know? 11:40 <@rhia> seen a few of his posts on youtube 11:40 <@rhia> nah, just had about 12 people all send me "go watch this kid!" stuff one week 11:40 <@rhia> all were him 11:41 <@TheLightcosine> hrm i just had a great diea for a prank 11:42 <@TheLightcosine> push out a peice of code that at a given time/date starts playing the super mario brothers theme, and just push it out to every workstation in the domain lol 11:42 <@TheLightcosine> something that alrge scale would probably get me fired 11:44 < Mercster> TheLightcosine: as soon as you got fired the death music from super mario would play 11:44 < Mercster> wah wah waaaaah 11:47 <@TheLightcosine> haha 11:47 <@TheLightcosine> take a tape recording of it in with me ;) 11:47 <@nachoguy> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crfrKqFp0Zg 11:47 <@TheLightcosine> "But I had an extra life!" 11:47 < Mercster> TheLightcosine: heh 11:47 < Mercster> nachoguy: oh yeah ive seen this too, this is great 11:48 <@nachoguy> yeah 11:48 < Mercster> this guy's good 11:49 <@polerin> http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2009/01/22/executive-order-watch/ 11:49 <@polerin> shit, obama's starting to clean house 11:50 <@rhia> polerin: he's got a lot to clean 11:50 <@polerin> no shit 11:50 <@polerin> but 11:50 <@polerin> yeah 11:50 <@polerin> good start for being only 13 hours into his second day 11:51 <@Corydon76-dig> Nashville: don't forget to do your civic duty today 11:51 <@rhia> Barack and Rahm know symbolism, tho - 1st day, lets run thru the stuff about _how_ this admin will work, then we'll move on to what needs to be done 11:52 <@rhia> the 1st calls to the ME instead of, oh, England - very symbolic as well 11:53 <@TheLightcosine> Corydon76-dig: hunh? 11:53 <@TheLightcosine> what civic duty? 11:53 <@polerin> vote 11:53 <@polerin> no one one, no on 8 11:53 * Mercster extrapolates: correct vote, yes on 1 and 8 11:53 <@TheLightcosine> ? 11:53 * Mercster ducks 11:54 < Mercster> polerin: what are 1 and 8? 11:54 <@Corydon76-dig> TheLightcosine: vote no on English-only amendment 11:54 <@TheLightcosine> ahhh 11:54 < Mercster> oh that's easy, yes on english-only 11:54 < Mercster> next 11:54 < Mercster> NEEEEEXT 11:54 <@polerin> and 8 is something that makes it easier to start adding crap to the metro charter willy nilly 11:54 <@polerin> Mercster: ... yeah.. no. 11:54 <@TheLightcosine> mercster: so you think we should make everyone speak the official languge of the united states, right? 11:54 < Mercster> i bet english-only wins 11:55 <@Corydon76-dig> also known as "do you want the city to spend money defending a lawsuit on settled law, when it's already clear it will lose?" 11:55 < Mercster> TheLightcosine: make everyone speak it? no. make official business in english? yes 11:55 < Mercster> TheLightcosine: language == culture 11:55 <@TheLightcosine> er, damn, was trying to trick you 11:55 <@TheLightcosine> there is no official languge of the united states 11:55 <@rhia> Corydon76-dig: ah, is that why it's on the docket? 11:55 < Mercster> ah yes, settled law == precident == not really a law 11:56 <@Corydon76-dig> My take on it is, if you pay taxes into the treasury, the government should speak to you in whatever language you understand best 11:56 < Mercster> any jackass judge can create "settled law" on a whim, apart from what our actual law says 11:56 < Mercster> precident sucks 11:56 <@TheLightcosine> um our system works on precedent 11:56 <@Corydon76-dig> Actually, the Supreme Court decided on it back in 1923 11:56 < Mercster> Corydon76-dig: so you dont respect american culture. right. 11:56 < Mercster> anything goes, right 11:56 < Mercster> melting pot means things get homogenized 11:57 <@TheLightcosine> what american culture? 11:57 < Mercster> in a melting pot, not every disparate ingrediant stays seperate 11:57 <@TheLightcosine> lol 11:57 <@TheLightcosine> eating cheesburgers, being lazy and getting diabetes? 11:57 < Mercster> TheLightcosine: move to france plz 11:57 * rhia wanders off to find lunch 11:57 <@TheLightcosine> eeew god no 11:57 < Mercster> bye rhia! 11:57 <@nachoguy> later rhia 11:58 < Mercster> TheLightcosine: american culture is good, it's righteous, it's fair, it's sacred, within the context of civic religion 11:58 <@Corydon76-dig> American culture is whatever we want it to be 11:58 < Mercster> if you dont like american culture, God help you 11:58 < Mercster> Corydon76-dig: keep trying to tear it down, it wont go away :) 11:59 <@Corydon76-dig> American culture is the ability to make your own decisions without being forced by the government 11:59 < Mercster> that's hardly all it is, but it's part of it 11:59 <@TheLightcosine> Mercster: yer crazy souther-bible thumper way of lfie does not constitute 'american culture' 11:59 <@TheLightcosine> it represents bible belt culture 11:59 < Mercster> TheLightcosine: yeah, actually, it pretty much does 11:59 <@Corydon76-dig> How can government be FOR the people, if government won't speak to all the various languages OF the people? 11:59 <@TheLightcosine> things are very different in say florida, or new york, or new englad, or oregon 12:00 <@polerin> you realize that english is already the official language of Tennessee right? 12:00 <@timoguin> Corydon76-dig: Is this a TN-wide thing? 12:00 <@timoguin> Where can I vote? 12:00 <@Corydon76-dig> timoguin: metro-only 12:00 < Mercster> Corydon76-dig: let's reduce your position down to it's obvious consequence...if everyone spoke a different language, nothing would get done 12:00 <@timoguin> okay... 12:00 <@polerin> metro only :/ 12:00 <@polerin> or else I'd be there now 12:00 <@TheLightcosine> Corydon76-dig: eh, i think that's a somewhat shaky arguments 12:00 <@polerin> Mercster: dood. 12:00 < Mercster> Corydon76-dig: i suppose you support english language so far as a majority speak it, and some undefined minority can speak something else as much as they want 12:00 <@polerin> Mercster: go do some basic research 12:01 < Mercster> polerin: if you have a point, make it, dont tell me to research 12:01 < Mercster> i already know 12:01 <@TheLightcosine> i have to agree to some extent with Mercster on this 12:01 <@Corydon76-dig> Actually, I'm considering bringing up an Esperanto-only amendment to the city charter. 12:01 < Mercster> Corydon76-dig: the end result of your argument is that everyone can speak a seperate language and we should cater to every single personal 1-on-1 need 12:01 <@TheLightcosine> i agree that English should be a required primary language, but i don't agree with using it to exclude all other languages 12:01 < Mercster> Corydon76-dig: which is ridiculous 12:01 < Mercster> the business of this country is in English 12:01 < Mercster> period 12:01 <@Corydon76-dig> Mercster: as long as each pays taxes, yes 12:01 < Mercster> yes on english-only 12:02 < Mercster> Corydon76-dig: then you're an immature person with no idea of governance 12:02 <@polerin> it's bad for builsness, has failed any number of legal challanges in other states, and was repealed in florida to the great relief of everyone 12:02 < Mercster> Corydon76-dig: as is usual for pie-in-the-sky utopia-minded liberals 12:02 <@Corydon76-dig> The only way for English-only to be fair is if we excluded taxes for people who don't speak English 12:02 <@polerin> it will cost millions of millions of dollars to defend in court 12:02 < Mercster> you do not have reality in your grasp 12:02 < Mercster> all you have is "ideas" 12:02 < Mercster> lol @ ideas 12:02 <@Corydon76-dig> Mercster: it's settled law 12:02 < Mercster> america deals with reality 12:02 <@polerin> Serves no purpose, because the translation services that metro provides really only cost about $100,000 a year at most 12:02 < Mercster> you keep trying to tear it down, tho :) 12:02 < Mercster> lol @ settled law based on precedent 12:03 <@Corydon76-dig> Voting yes merely ensures that Metro government will have to pay out to lawyers to defend it in court and eventually lose 12:03 * Mercster pffts 12:03 < Mercster> will never happen 12:03 <@Corydon76-dig> And I want my tax dollars actually going to something which matters 12:03 <@TheLightcosine> Mercster: avodiing the current context of this arugmen,t our system of law is entirely based on legal precedent 12:03 <@timoguin> Language is good. 12:03 <@TheLightcosine> so i'm not sure why you re scoffing at it 12:03 <@timoguin> Diversity and culture is good. 12:03 < Mercster> TheLightcosine: precedent blows. but that's my personal opinion, you can believe what you like 12:03 <@TheLightcosine> precendent can be voerturned, but it usually isn't without good reason 12:03 <@Corydon76-dig> TheLightcosine: because it doesn't back up his argument 12:04 <@TheLightcosine> m so then you think our legal system blows 12:04 < Mercster> in many ways, yes 12:04 < Mercster> im also not a democrat 12:04 < Mercster> i.e. i believe democracy to blow 12:04 <@Corydon76-dig> Mercster: do you have a criminal record? 12:04 <@TheLightcosine> not very patriotic 12:04 < Mercster> i mean, look at Corydon76-dig 12:04 < Mercster> they let *him* vote 12:04 <@TheLightcosine> for someone who talks about 'great american culture' 12:04 < Mercster> what kind of system is this? 12:04 <@TheLightcosine> lol 12:05 <@TheLightcosine> Mercster: i just wanna know one thing, do you even beleive half of what u say or do you just enjoy rattling people's cages? 12:05 < Mercster> TheLightcosine: im very patriotic, i support america strongly and support our executive strongly. the problem is, democracy works for certain configurations of small-ish groups of people. once you hit 300 million, not so much 12:06 <@timoguin> That's why it's a representative democracy. 12:06 <@TheLightcosine> strictly speaking that is actually quite correct 12:06 < Mercster> TheLightcosine: i believe 100% of what i say...if i didnt, id be a troll, but im not. you may disagree with what i say, but it does not take away from the sincerity with which i say it 12:06 < Mercster> if i type it, believe it 12:06 < Mercster> very simple 12:06 <@TheLightcosine> we are more of an oligarchy lately 12:06 <@M0j0-j0j0> me too 12:06 <@TheLightcosine> anyways quittin time 12:06 -!- TheLightcosine [i=0c1314c9@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-5a99084c4740e8ec] has quit ["http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client"] 12:06 <@M0j0-j0j0> Mercster: your gay 12:07 <@Shadow404> you just realized that 12:07 <@timoguin> i have reading to do 12:07 < Mercster> if you look at the early history of america, there are two main strands to democracy... "jeffersonian" and "jacksonian", as defined by these two presidents' respective treatment of the "doctrine" of america 12:07 < Mercster> i am jacksonian 12:07 < Mercster> most liberals, such as those in this room, only accept jeffersonian democracy 12:07 -!- maco [n=maco@ubuntu/member/macogw] has joined #se2600 12:07 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o maco] by ChanServ 12:07 < Mercster> M0j0-j0j0: "you're", also, good argument 12:07 <@M0j0-j0j0> Shadow404: I've had him on ignore a lot 12:08 <@timoguin> I love the "your retarded" shirts 12:08 <@Corydon76-dig> Mercster: are you a registered sex offender? 12:08 < Mercster> Corydon76-dig: mind yer own business, weirdo 12:09 <@Corydon76-dig> Aha 12:09 <@polerin> Mercster: http://www.liberadio.com/2009/01/21/buenvenidos-a-miami/ 12:09 <@M0j0-j0j0> Corydon76-dig: you remember the zodiac killer? 12:09 <@polerin> Mercster: give that a quick read over. It's been tried. 12:11 < Mercster> polerin: again, our judicial system has been adulterated with the idea of precedent...just because something fails in court these days doesnt mean it's not right. as with democracy, where things can and often do go wrong because of the electorate, many laws are "on the books" by precedent, chosen by individual judges rather than a strict constructionist view of our constitution, which is grounded in english common law 12:11 < Mercster> polerin: showing me a previous "judgement" by an asshole doesnt prove anything :) 12:11 < Mercster> again, if you have an argument, please, bring it forth 12:11 <@polerin> Mercster: it's not JUDGEMENT 12:11 < Mercster> again, if you have an argument, please, bring it forth 12:11 < Mercster> ;-) 12:11 <@polerin> Mercster: go READ the thing or you're trolling 12:11 <@Corydon76-dig> M0j0-j0j0: I'm trying to figure out why he doesn't have a job, lives in his parents' basement, and bothers us all day 12:11 <@polerin> there are about 6 different arguments in there 12:11 < Mercster> "in there" 12:11 < Mercster> cant you give at least one of them? 12:11 < Mercster> this is irc 12:11 < Mercster> not web-proxy-3.0 12:11 < Mercster> say something from your own brain 12:12 <@M0j0-j0j0> I'm just glad that when the entire country decides that some group of nobodies in IRC should restructure the government so that it will be perfect we'll all have this stuff figured out. 12:12 <@polerin> I gave them to you in brief, and you just blew them off rather than engaging them. So go read, and see them in full 12:12 < Mercster> M0j0-j0j0: heh 12:12 <@polerin> because everything you've talked about has been addressed over, and over, and over, by far smarter and better educated people than I 12:12 < Mercster> ohhhhh 12:12 < Mercster> good job then 12:12 * Mercster pats polerin on the head 12:13 < Mercster> is anyone else on irc to "communicate"? 12:13 < Mercster> or is everything already settled 12:13 <@M0j0-j0j0> I think we're all good.. 12:13 <@M0j0-j0j0> thanks 12:13 < Mercster> IT'S ON THE INTERNETS IT'S ALREADY DECIDED 12:13 < Mercster> lawl 12:13 < Mercster> M0j0-j0j0: ah well 12:13 <@polerin> Mercster: communication can take many forms. Apparently you forget this and would rather I spoon feed you information and arguments. 12:14 < Mercster> polerin: you dont know shit, that's why you're pasting urls 12:14 < Mercster> sorry, you fail 12:14 < Mercster> NEXT 12:14 <@polerin> Mercster: no, I don't have time to engage in a long drawn out argument with someone who won't take the time to educatate themselves on opposing viewpoints 12:14 <@M0j0-j0j0> polerin: preferably in English. 12:14 <@polerin> Which I did. 12:14 -!- mode/#se2600 [+vvvv AstralSin booker404 captiancrash chosenone] by Corydon76-dig 12:14 < Mercster> haha :) 12:14 <@polerin> I just happen to dissagree :P 12:14 < Mercster> 'disagree' 12:14 <@polerin> disagree even 12:15 < Mercster> there ya go 12:15 -!- mode/#se2600 [+vvvv Gregabyte juice_ Synx_hm ware] by Corydon76-dig 12:15 <@polerin> yes, we all know my spelling is fail, you can go click on the link if you wnat to actually have a conversation 12:15 <@polerin> cheers. 12:15 < Mercster> cheers! 12:15 * Mercster swills beer 12:15 <@M0j0-j0j0> Mercster: maybe you should get a job teaching English 12:15 <@M0j0-j0j0> . 12:15 < Mercster> M0j0-j0j0: i should, i'm awesome at it. 12:15 < Mercster> ive always thought id do well as a copy editor or something 12:15 < Mercster> alas, my life did not go that way 12:16 <@M0j0-j0j0> thank god for small favors 12:17 <@M0j0-j0j0> Corydon76-dig: I think that it might have something to do with delusions of grandeur. 12:18 < Mercster> i think you're full of shit :) 12:18 < Mercster> this channel is hilarious 12:18 <@M0j0-j0j0> only parts of me 12:18 < Mercster> leftist liberals, anything goes, UNTIL YOU DISAGREE WITH US 12:18 -!- mode/#se2600 [+m] by Corydon76-dig 12:18 <@Corydon76-dig> That's enough 12:18 -!- nated0g_wrk [i=nated0g@river191.bigriver.net] has joined #se2600 12:18 <@polerin> heh 12:19 <@polerin> OH no somebody might want me to actually educate myself on the issues! ZOMGZ! 12:19 <@Corydon76-dig> Go find a job, Mercster 12:19 <@polerin> anyway 12:19 <@polerin> apparently my mom just got back from voting, so that's about the best I can do 12:19 -!- nated0g_wrk [i=nated0g@river191.bigriver.net] has left #se2600 [] 12:19 -!- nated0g_wrk [i=nated0g@river191.bigriver.net] has joined #se2600 12:19 -!- mode/#se2600 [+v nated0g_wrk] by Corydon76-dig 12:20 <+nated0g_wrk> whew ok 12:20 <+nated0g_wrk> thanks 12:20 <@polerin> heh 12:20 <+nated0g_wrk> so hows everything been 12:20 <@polerin> not bad 12:20 -ChanServ:#se2600- Corydon76-dig (Corydon76-home) set flags +vVoOtiA on nated0g_wrk. 12:20 <@M0j0-j0j0> I don't mind people disagreeing with me... Corydon76-dig and I don't really see eye to eye on anything (except you being a twit) but we recognize the others right and reasoning without trying to force the other to change. 12:21 <@polerin> I hate it when people dissagree with me. They are all stupid. :D 12:21 <@M0j0-j0j0> :) 12:21 <@Corydon76-dig> M0j0-j0j0: we also expect people to converse and reason, not dogmatically insist on their own arguments 12:22 <@M0j0-j0j0> polerin: well.. when someone disagrees with you they obviously must be ;) 12:22 <@M0j0-j0j0> Corydon76-dig: NO WE DON'T! YOU'RE WRONG! 12:23 <@M0j0-j0j0> anyways 12:23 <@M0j0-j0j0> I think I'm going to head out for some grub 12:23 <@M0j0-j0j0> bbl 12:24 <@polerin> heh 12:24 <@polerin> I actually don't mind dogma, as long as it's flexible enough to actually allow people to honestly debate from it 12:24 <@polerin> rather than insisting on the same ponts over and over 12:25 <@M0j0-j0j0> Corydon76-dig: when you aren't ready to blow someone up please -M. He's an ass and knows it, but this is all he has in life so... be as gracious as you can please. 12:28 <@Corydon76-dig> M0j0-j0j0: He just needs a cool-down period. Last time I did this, he actually found something else to do in the meantime, and did not immediately start back up again when I -m'ed the channel 12:28 <@Corydon76-dig> which I consider beneficial 12:29 <+nated0g_wrk> so what did i miss the last month ? 12:30 <@Corydon76-dig> The real interesting part is that everytime he messages me with insults, I extend the time before I will -m the channel 12:32 <@Corydon76-dig> nated0g_wrk: we have dates for Outerz0ne 12:32 <@Corydon76-dig> First weekend in March 12:32 <+nated0g_wrk> atlanta? 12:32 <@Corydon76-dig> Yep 12:35 <+nated0g_wrk> will have to see whats going on 12:35 <@Shadow404> Corydon76-dig: same hotel or new one? 12:36 <@Corydon76-dig> Shadow404: I don't know the answer to that 12:36 <+nated0g_wrk> where the bukkake party is 12:38 <@Corydon76-dig> nated0g_wrk: probably in Al's room 12:43 <+nated0g_wrk> good to know 12:43 <+nated0g_wrk> lol 12:53 <+nated0g_wrk> im out of class on feb 28 for ham operator 13:10 -!- Falun|home [i=Richard@c-76-17-127-225.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 13:10 -!- mode/#se2600 [+v Falun|home] by Corydon76-dig 13:15 -!- mode/#se2600 [-m] by Corydon76-dig 13:16 -!- maco [n=maco@ubuntu/member/macogw] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 13:21 < Mercster> YAAAY 13:21 < Mercster> whoops 13:21 < Mercster> yaaay 13:26 -!- maco [n=maco@ubuntu/member/macogw] has joined #se2600 13:26 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o maco] by ChanServ 13:52 <@rhia> http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2009/01/pb_king_recall07.html 13:52 <@rhia> well, that's one way nutrisystem can help weightloss 13:52 <@tzanger> peanutco. 13:52 <@tzanger> haha 14:03 <@rhia> wait, padded booty underwear are covered under Medicare? bwauh? 14:04 <@rhia> so it won't cover half the things medically wrong with someone, but it will cover giving them a fake fat ass ..... 14:05 < Mercster> rhia: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6rE0EakhG8 14:09 < Mercster> yeeeaah...babies EVERYWHERE... 14:11 < Mercster> Im filthy rich, im always tanned, and I got a great ass too, but my marriage sucks, so I hate my life. 14:12 < Mercster> Bill, I'm Steve, I'm marrying a girl just because of her looks, and we're rushin' right into makin' babies. 14:12 < Mercster> I got no income 'cuz I just quit my job, and I dont care cuz I feel GRRREEEAAAT, YEEEAAAAH! 14:13 -!- Falun|lt [i=Richard@c-76-17-127-225.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 14:23 -!- R3d2Dawn [n=R3d2Dawn@69.180.199.3] has joined #se2600 14:23 -!- R3d2Dawn [n=R3d2Dawn@69.180.199.3] has left #se2600 [] 14:31 -!- Falun|home [i=Richard@c-76-17-127-225.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:32 -!- maco_ [n=maco@128.164.102.43] has joined #se2600 15:32 -!- maco [n=maco@ubuntu/member/macogw] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 15:44 -!- maco [n=maco@ubuntu/member/macogw] has joined #se2600 15:44 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o maco] by ChanServ 15:55 < Mercster> ya, well 15:58 -!- maco_ [n=maco@128.164.102.43] has quit [Connection timed out] 16:08 -!- maco [n=maco@ubuntu/member/macogw] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 16:15 -!- maco [n=maco@ubuntu/member/macogw] has joined #se2600 16:15 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o maco] by ChanServ 16:25 -!- maco [n=maco@ubuntu/member/macogw] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:34 <@polerin> you know 16:35 <@polerin> I think i need PIP to watch cspan 16:35 <@polerin> correctly 16:35 < Mercster> polerin: should be available streamed from the web 16:35 < Mercster> so you can keep your big tv on stupid shit 16:35 < Mercster> and a window on cspan on your monitor 16:36 <@polerin> I usually have to squeeze things in anyway 16:36 <@brimstone> i need head tracking so the channel/stream i'm looking at can have louder audio then the others open 16:36 < Mercster> brimstone: heh 16:36 <@polerin> brimstone: that's a neat idea 16:36 <@polerin> wouldn't be easy to implement though 16:37 <@brimstone> just need those dorky headsets with the IR leds 16:37 < Mercster> polerin: you could, if you wore goggles all the time 16:37 <@brimstone> maybe? i dunno 16:37 < Mercster> heh, what brimstone said :) 16:40 <@polerin> no, it's more integrating with a disperate number of audio applications 16:42 <@brimstone> actually, just a head controled mouse would be interesting 16:42 <@brimstone> *controlled 16:42 <@brimstone> i'd have to turn off keyboard follows mouse focus then :/ 16:45 <@polerin> man 16:45 <@brimstone> holy crap, if you could make left mouse be your left tempal squeeze(?) and righ side to the same, both for third mouse 16:45 <@brimstone> that would be a cool unit 16:47 <@polerin> what's up with the repugnicants trying to attach anti-union measures to an fair pay act 16:49 <@rhia> polerin: they're republicans 16:50 <@rhia> pro big business and all that 16:51 <@polerin> I know I know 16:51 <@rhia> and politicians typically seem to be more obstructionist by nature, esp when it can make a dig at the other guys 16:53 <@polerin> but you'd think they would try in multiple different ways 16:54 <@rhia> there's a reason the Bard had Dick the butcher say "The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers." 16:55 <@rhia> =) 16:55 <@polerin> but they keep doing it with the same stupid ttuff 16:56 <@rhia> Ugg probably complained about erkgh bringing up dumb stuff around the meeting fire 16:58 <@rhia> "we talk catch lot fish now, what matter who get mammoth toes?" 17:00 -!- captiancrash [n=jonmoore@70.159.118.70] has quit ["i'm out"] 17:00 <@rhia> erkgh probably wanted tshk to think he was important and stop making googooly eyes at ugg or something 17:01 <@rhia> the republicans want their constituents to think they're being productive and don't want the democrats looking successful - same difference 17:02 <@rhia> and yes, that sentence can easily have the parties switched - it's politics as usual 17:06 -!- nated0g_wrk [i=nated0g@river191.bigriver.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 17:11 <@M0j0-j0j0> k, I'm headed to the gym.. any what wants to tag along the time to let me know would be now. 17:13 -!- maco [n=maco@ubuntu/member/macogw] has joined #se2600 17:13 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o maco] by ChanServ 17:13 <@M0j0-j0j0> have a good evening folks 17:14 -!- M0j0-j0j0 [n=Mojo_Joj@rrcs-70-62-123-52.midsouth.biz.rr.com] has quit ["Leaving."] 17:30 <@polerin> Is it bad that I want a dvr so I can pause cspaN? 17:30 <@I-MOD> yes 17:30 <@polerin> gr.. the vote is coming up and I totally need to see it 17:30 <@polerin> but I need to run to the bank 17:32 <@brimstone> tape it to watch again later? 17:41 < Mercster> polerin: integrating with a disparate (?) array of audio applications is what alsa/esd/pulseaudio/etc were all about. unfortunately it's never worked quite right 17:42 < Mercster> polerin: esd seemed to do well...some KDE process is a multithreaded audio server, the name isnt on the top of my head 17:42 < Mercster> pulseaudio hasnt proven itself in performance or backwards compatibility yet, but it might not suck some day 17:43 < Mercster> but that's only to say, in a dexktop envrionment 17:45 < Mercster> if you're hacking a headset that manipulates the mixer device on data from an iris-tracker, you've probably got getting/muxing the data down to a science 17:45 < Mercster> i guess thats all im saying 17:46 < Mercster> IT JUST TAKES ME A LONG TIME 17:52 -!- Drag0n` [n=dragon@12.116.138.30] has quit ["Leaving"] 17:56 < Mercster> down in de dew 17:56 <@timoguin> jackd is the shiznit 17:57 <@timoguin> but not much support for it in normal app 17:57 <@timoguin> *apps 17:59 < Mercster> ah jackd is the one kde uses, eh 17:59 < Mercster> ah, no 17:59 < Mercster> kde uses arts 18:00 <@timoguin> yep 18:00 < Mercster> ive seen people do some real nutty, cool shit with pulseaudio on the command line 18:01 < Mercster> as a typical end-user, it still sucks if you're just browsing/media'ing/etc 18:01 < Mercster> shit still runs into each other 18:02 < Mercster> the most annoying is the flash plugin, which doesnt play nice with PA yet 18:02 < Mercster> i guess i understand why that's not fixed yet 18:03 < Mercster> in that to be "fixed" pulseaudio would have to be a new standard in audio APIs 18:03 < Mercster> which we've seen come and go at least a dozen times 18:04 < Mercster> maybe if i ran the freeasinbeer flash browser plugin it'd word 18:04 < Mercster> s/word/work 18:04 <@timoguin> yea flash is more of a problem for linux than aything 18:04 < Mercster> we need the tubez, after all 18:06 < Mercster> where would #se2600 be without 1guy1cup 18:06 < Mercster> and without adding a comment at the bottom 18:06 < Mercster> plz subscribe 18:09 < Mercster> wow 18:09 * Mercster watches obama sink 18:10 -!- Mirage [n=mirage@ra.thehippo.net] has joined #se2600 18:10 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Mirage] by ChanServ 18:11 < Mercster> he did not look good in that video from today in the oval office...20 people standing around him, he's sitting...saying 'uhhh' a lot 18:12 < Mercster> like, well, like a guy who in the last 24 hours heard the most sobering intelligence of his life and is trying hard not to vomit on-camera while explanining the context to america 18:12 < Mercster> explaining 18:13 < Mercster> ohhhh man 18:13 < Mercster> change...WE GOT IT! 18:13 < Mercster> speeches are one thing 18:13 < Mercster> ohhhhhh boy 18:13 < Mercster> speeches only go so far, bigtime 18:14 < Mercster> bigtime hussein osama 18:14 < Mercster> nah im behind the president 18:14 < Mercster> 110% 18:14 < Mercster> but WHOA BOY 18:15 <@maco> Mercster: you can make the flash plugin work if you redirect its alsa output to PA's available api for alsa input 18:16 <@maco> ubuntu should do it automatically...well 8.10 should 18:16 <@maco> PA is gnome's standard, and Phonon is KDE's, i believe 18:16 < Mercster> maco: is that a env var i can set somewhere or is it more involved 18:16 < Mercster> maco: well, if the flash plugin is loaded rhythmbox/wine/etc other apps trying to access /dev/dsp puke 18:17 <@maco> probably more involved. i can ask my bf when i see him. he's a sond guy. 18:17 <@maco> right yeah 18:17 < Mercster> ive heard good things about KDE's sound daemon 18:17 < Mercster> i wouldnt know though, i never run KDE 18:17 <@maco> oh, and arts is only for kde2&3, i believe 18:17 <@maco> kde4 is definitely phonon 18:17 < Mercster> hmm, nod 18:17 < Mercster> its been awhile since ive even read about it 18:17 < Mercster> photon rings a bell 18:17 < Mercster> but didnt know arts had been replaced 18:17 <@maco> s/sond/sound/ 18:18 < Mercster> anyways 18:18 < Mercster> it's one of linux's perennial clusterfucks 18:18 <@maco> but swfdec free-as-in-speech flash plugin works fine with pulse 18:18 < Mercster> along with printing 18:18 <@maco> i use swfdec 18:18 < Mercster> maco: does it? might try it out 18:18 < Mercster> hnm 18:18 < Mercster> yeah, ill look for it, it's surely in FC10's repos somewhere 18:18 < Mercster> or fusion, one 18:18 <@maco> it doesnt always work for sites made entirely out of flash, but im not sure i count that as a BAD thing 18:19 < Mercster> maco: heh, right 18:19 < Mercster> about all i do is watch video in flash anyway 18:19 <@maco> it works for youtube 18:19 -!- deoptima [n=me@72.18.106.222] has joined #se2600 18:19 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o deoptima] by ChanServ 18:19 < Mercster> flashblock on anyway, so no flash ads load anyway 18:19 <@maco> for non-youtube video, it's hit-or-miss 18:19 <@maco> and swfdec has flashblock functionality built-in 18:20 <@maco> anyway, i'm out 18:20 < Mercster> later 18:20 < Mercster> thx for the tip 18:21 <@timoguin> anyone here used the terminal server client in ubuntu? 18:21 <@timoguin> I've never used it before, but I'm getting a weird error. 18:22 < Mercster> nope 18:22 <@timoguin> The terminal screen pops up and then vanishes with a "System pointer message" error. 18:22 < Mercster> sometimes getting that shit to work is shitty. i havent messed much with TS but ive messed with vnc a lot 18:23 < Mercster> it's probably some sort of client/server mismatch, the client is requesting some feature/optimization that the server doesnt like 18:23 < Mercster> or ubuntu just sucks in regards to keeping packages up to date/useful outside of the lab 18:23 < Mercster> ive seen that quite a few times 18:23 <@timoguin> I never use graphical shit, but I think I might have to use RDP for this class. 18:24 < Mercster> "we release this version cuz its stable" "yeah...but it doesnt connect to anything written later than 2004" "we dont care" 18:24 < Mercster> problem with debian in general ive found 18:24 < Mercster> the two versions available are "hopelessly outdated" or "ridiculously unstable" 18:25 < Mercster> fedora may blow from time to time (and it does) but once you get a couple months out from release, it's pretty stable, yet relatively recent 18:27 -!- maco [n=maco@ubuntu/member/macogw] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:27 < Mercster> i ran ubuntu 8.10 for about 2 months...very, very decent desktop. but i noticed a lot of sloppiness in regards to release engineering 18:27 < Mercster> fedora core 10 was worse than windows BOB for a month, but then it got reasonable 18:35 -!- deoptima [n=me@72.18.106.222] has quit ["( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )"] 18:40 -!- Someninjaiphone_ [n=Someninj@216.215.209.246.nw.nuvox.net] has joined #se2600 18:43 -!- Falun|lt [i=Richard@c-76-17-127-225.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 18:52 -!- Falun|home [i=Richard@c-76-17-127-225.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 18:58 -!- Someninjaiphone_ [n=Someninj@216.215.209.246.nw.nuvox.net] has quit ["Rooms • iPhone IRC Client • http://rooms.derflash.de"] 18:58 -!- Someninjaiphone_ [n=Someninj@216.215.209.246.nw.nuvox.net] has joined #se2600 19:23 -!- Someninjaiphone_ [n=Someninj@216.215.209.246.nw.nuvox.net] has quit ["Rooms • iPhone IRC Client • http://rooms.derflash.de"] 19:25 <@dasunt> In the last 2 days, I worked 24 hours. 19:29 <+eryc> timoguin: worked fine last i used it 19:37 -!- sdodson [n=sdodson@serenity.ninjr.org] has joined #se2600 19:37 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o sdodson] by ChanServ 20:25 -!- Falun|home [i=Richard@c-76-17-127-225.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit ["musical hard drives"] 20:31 * Mercster touches sdodson 20:39 <@dasunt> How's Obama's private email not a matter of national security? 20:39 <@brimstone> he's not from alaska 20:39 <@dasunt> I guess. 20:39 <@dasunt> Seriously though. 20:39 <@dasunt> Imagine some international crisis (say China grabs one of those tiny islands that Taiwan administrators currently). 20:40 <@dasunt> US issues a condeming but vague statement. 20:40 <@dasunt> Isn't it someone relevant if Obama emails his wife asking if she's still on for dinner tonight, vs emailing his wife saying that he has to cancel and it's going to be a very late night? 20:42 * eryc sends dasunt to gitmo to think about it 20:47 <@sdodson> Now would be the time to go! 20:55 <@rhia> dasunt: because the NSA has already given him higher encryption AND eluded to them focusing very carefully on anything that comes out of his blackberry or any other device at the WH 20:56 <@rhia> dasunt: and that particular scenario falls into 'gossip or speculation' - but his communications are well monitored 20:56 <@rhia> and supposedly have been for a while 20:57 <@sdodson> Who monitors the monitors?! 20:57 <@brimstone> me 20:57 <@brimstone> i also watch the watchmen 20:57 <@rhia> the watchmen! 20:57 <@sdodson> brimstone: oh cool, i trust you bro 20:57 * sdodson gives brimstone a bro hug 20:58 <@brimstone> is that where we grasp hands and slam our chests together? 20:58 <@sdodson> I don't really know. 20:58 <@rhia> brimstone: that's where you give each other the terrorist fist bump 20:59 <@sdodson> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bro+hug 20:59 <@sdodson> no, bro hugs are a frat boy thing not a ghetto thug thing 20:59 <@dasunt> rhia: And what about black berry messages going through Canada? 21:00 <@brimstone> the phone they wanted to give him didn't have an app store 21:00 <@brimstone> that's just down right unacceptable 21:00 <@rhia> dasunt: not wearing my NSA hat right now - dunno 21:01 <@rhia> but considering the shiitz coming out about them in the last 2 days, i'd say they probably have it at least recorded 21:02 <@rhia> what else do you think their newly installed highest level encryption program does? 21:02 <@rhia> seriously doubt it ONLY encrypts things 21:02 <@dasunt> I'm skeptical. 21:02 <@dasunt> Even the frequency of messages leaks information. 21:03 <@dasunt> Presumably, a sane encryption mechanism would fill the channel with chatter. 21:03 <@dasunt> OTOH, that acts as a cheapo geolocater device for the pres. 21:03 < Mercster> so when i update a bunch of my wow plugins, are the settings saved somewhere other than the addon dir? 21:03 < Mercster> or is all my crap gonna be reset 21:07 <@sdodson> Who the fuck cares? stop playing wow or you'll end up.. eh nevermind 21:08 < Mercster> :( 21:08 < Mercster> i decided i didnt car either, im updating them anyway 21:09 -!- CRasH180 [n=what@c-68-52-32-134.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 21:11 < Mercster> s/car/care 21:11 < Mercster> i dont curr 21:11 <@brimstone> beep beep 21:24 <@Drag0n> presidental geocaching? 21:24 <@rhia> dasunt: considering all the bs and most likely 'lost' communique from the previous administration? eh 21:25 <@rhia> dasunt: there are a hundred and one ways to know where the prez is at anytime as it is - his blackberry may just give a slightly more precise location 21:26 <@rhia> too bad they didn't put the same level of surveillance on Cheney is his myriad 'undisclosed locations' 21:26 <@rhia> in his* 21:28 <@rhia> Drag0n: oooh, when we find him, can we trade him for a canadian quarter? 21:29 < CRasH180> YAY! a shiny quarter! 21:29 <@Drag0n> trade him for a loonie? we just got rid of one loonie, why do we want another? 21:29 < CRasH180> because this one will worth something 21:29 <@rhia> hehehe 21:29 < CRasH180> will be 21:45 -!- Falun|home [i=Richard@c-76-17-127-225.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 21:49 <@sdodson> Mercster: From what I remember settings are saved elsewhere. 21:49 <@sdodson> There's also wow-updater that updates all of the ACE based plugins. 21:52 <@Evilpig> sdodson: that one is dead 21:53 <@Evilpig> Mercster: they ar stored in in the wtf folder 22:01 -!- Falun|lt [i=Richard@c-76-17-127-225.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 22:04 -!- Falun|lt [i=Richard@c-76-17-127-225.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 22:04 * eryc watches his freshly prepared corn chowder simmer 22:04 <+eryc> i thought making soup would be easier... its not. 22:18 -!- Falun|home [i=Richard@c-76-17-127-225.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:34 < Mercster> nod, thanks 22:36 -!- m0j0-j0j0 [n=mj0j0@cpe-071-070-196-019.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #se2600 22:36 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o m0j0-j0j0] by ChanServ 22:41 <+eryc> heh, people getting upset that Dark Knight didnt make best picture 22:41 -!- Falun|home [i=Richard@c-76-17-127-225.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 22:41 <+eryc> the movie did kind of suck, i mean, really.. 22:41 <+eryc> aside from the cool imax shots the plot was kinda stupid 22:42 <@dasunt> I need another bike. 22:42 <@dasunt> Or three. 22:42 <@m0j0-j0j0> it didn't suck, but it wouldn't be my best picture 22:42 <@rhia> eryc: soup is easy - good soup takes a little effort 22:42 -!- Falun|lt [i=Richard@c-76-17-127-225.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 22:42 -!- nightcarnage [n=nightcar@c-69-180-199-167.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 22:42 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o nightcarnage] by ChanServ 22:44 <@rhia> soups and stews are best when you put effort in the formation, then simmer for hrs, let them sit and eat the leftovers for days 22:44 <+eryc> i definitely put a lot of effort into cutting all these dang veggies 22:45 <@rhia> i never add the additional seasonings to a soup until it's simmered at least 2 hrs - to let the flavors fully blend 22:45 <+eryc> i hope it turns out well. im letting it simmer for an hour or so 22:45 <@rhia> eryc: heh 22:45 <@rhia> just don't let it stick - burnt is not a good flavor in soup =) 22:45 <+eryc> the corn turned out to be the most difficult 22:45 <+eryc> right =) 22:45 <@rhia> you decobbed your own corn? 22:46 <@m0j0-j0j0> burn isn't a good flavor in soup 22:46 <@rhia> eryc is hardcore ;) 22:47 <+eryc> yes i am! 22:47 <+eryc> and i still have all my fingers 22:47 <@m0j0-j0j0> souper natural 22:48 <@sdodson> Wait, is decobbing corn hard? 22:48 <+eryc> its sounds a lot easier than it really is 22:49 <+eryc> if you dont have something to catch the corn it explodes onto the counter and is lost 22:49 <@rhia> eryc: yes, not easy 22:49 <@sdodson> Was it raw or cooked? 22:49 <+eryc> raw 22:49 <@m0j0-j0j0> yeah.. it doesn't sound that hard.. but to do it well seems to take a lot of effort 22:49 <@sdodson> Do it inside a bag? 22:49 <@rhia> eryc: next time, go to the local farmer market or someplace like a Whole Food - give them the whole corn and ask them to clean & de-cob it for you 22:50 <+eryc> what!? they will do that? 22:50 <@rhia> usually free and a lot easier 22:50 <@rhia> if you ask and the green grocer is still on duty (8-5) yeah - i've asked them before and had it done 22:51 <+eryc> yea i forgot how hair corn was 22:51 <@rhia> like picking up a whole 12lb sirloin and asking the butcher to cut it, or a leg of lamb and asking them to debone it 22:51 <+eryc> hairy too.. next time ill try a bag i guess 22:51 <+eryc> well all i have is harris teeter or less near my house 22:52 <+eryc> oh and a trader joe's that ive never been too (but need to) 22:52 <@m0j0-j0j0> eryc: all we have is a wal-mart 22:52 <+eryc> haha 22:52 <@rhia> m0j0-j0j0: poor thing 22:52 * rhia hugs m0j0-j0j0 22:53 <+eryc> is it 24hrs? 22:53 <@m0j0-j0j0> eryc: yes 22:53 <+eryc> awesome. 22:53 <@m0j0-j0j0> that's what I get for living so far away from everything 22:53 <+eryc> the nearest 24hr walmart is like 2hrs from here 22:53 <@rhia> sdodson: actually, inside a bag is an old trick if you have to de-cob it yourself 22:54 <+eryc> i dont bother leaving my place after 10pm anymore 22:54 <+eryc> this country bumpkins all shutdown early 22:54 <@rhia> m0j0-j0j0: shucking, desilking, then de-cobbing is work 22:54 <+eryc> these even 22:54 <@sdodson> shopping at walmart makes me feel bad 22:54 < Mercster> i love walmart 22:54 <@sdodson> But I'm broke and a shareholder so I may as well. 22:55 <@rhia> eryc: got a dishwasher? 22:55 <+eryc> yes 22:55 <@rhia> you can shuck, then throw the full cobs into the rinse cycle to remove a whole lot of the silk 22:56 <@rhia> just remember to wipe off the bottom of the dishwasher before running the next load of dishes 22:56 <+eryc> ah it wasnt that bad to remove 22:56 <+eryc> yea that would create more work :) 22:56 <@rhia> eryc: if you have more than 12 cobs, its faster 22:56 <+eryc> true 22:56 <+eryc> i had 6 cobbs this time 22:56 <@m0j0-j0j0> we need a de-cobbing robot 22:57 <@sdodson> is corn in the can cooked already? 22:57 <+eryc> well i remember the handcrank decobber they would have at the goat petting zoo 22:57 <+eryc> or whatever that was when i was a kid 22:57 <+eryc> i think canned corn is cooked 22:58 <@dasunt> I remember playing with lawn darts as a kid. 22:58 <@m0j0-j0j0> canned corn is cooked 22:58 <@tzanger> I love the way canned corn tastes 22:58 <+eryc> some of the people in the comments for this recipe were all psyched about their fresh corn so i figured thats what i should do too 22:59 <@m0j0-j0j0> dasunt: I remember when lawndarts was a cool new thing 22:59 < Mercster> frozen corn is decent 22:59 <+eryc> lawn darts, merry-go-rounds, and slides 22:59 < Mercster> thats what many people would start off, making a soup...but, thats what makes eryc hardcore 22:59 < Mercster> he went that extra mile 23:00 <+eryc> i got fresh thyme and bay leaves too 23:00 <+eryc> i think it was about $20 to make 8 servings 23:00 -!- Falun|home [i=Richard@c-76-17-127-225.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:00 <@rhia> eryc: fresh anything tends to beat the hell out of dried, canned, or frozen 23:00 -!- Falun|lt [i=Richard@c-76-17-127-225.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:01 <@m0j0-j0j0> I grew my own herbs for a spell 23:01 < Mercster> man, i wanna make chili 23:01 < Mercster> m0j0-j0j0: NERD! 23:01 < Mercster> i need a crockpot 23:01 <@sdodson> eryc: recipe? 23:01 <@rhia> try making guacamole or salsa from kits or dried/prepackaged alongside fresh everything - HUGE differnce 23:01 <@m0j0-j0j0> oh, I make chili all the time 23:01 < Mercster> m0j0-j0j0: mmm 23:02 < Mercster> chili is one of my favorite foods 23:02 < Mercster> right up there with steak 23:02 <@rhia> Mercster: look into a good enameled dutch oven 23:02 <@rhia> Mercster: tx or regular chili? 23:02 < Mercster> the definition varies ;-) i like red, hot, with beans 23:02 < Mercster> chunky 23:02 * rhia prefers non-tx chili, but, i grew up NOT in tx, thank god 23:03 <@rhia> Mercster: tx chili is no beans - more like spicy steak soup 23:03 < Mercster> rhia: nod 23:03 < Mercster> yeah well, i prefer the beans 23:03 < Mercster> in fact *I* wouldnt enjoy it if it didnt have beans 23:03 < Mercster> but i recognize there are other types/tastes 23:04 <@rhia> Mercster: same here, i like the beans in chili 23:04 < Mercster> yep 23:04 < Mercster> good stuff 23:04 < Mercster> and i like it hotttttt 23:05 <@m0j0-j0j0> the one i always make is the recipe they use at Wendy's 23:05 < Mercster> rhia: i got some recipes off of world championship chili cookoffs webpages, i wanna try one 23:05 < Mercster> m0j0-j0j0: wendy's chili is damn decent 23:05 <@rhia> grew up cooking, so, 40 years or so? 23:05 <+eryc> http://www.elise.com/recipes/archives/002121corn_chowder.php 23:06 * rhia is a damn good cook - and a medicore chef 23:06 <@rhia> i don't really care how it looks as long as it tastes good 23:06 < Mercster> yea 23:06 < Mercster> homecookin dont need to be that fancy looking 23:06 <@timoguin> hahahaha 23:06 < Mercster> but it's usually the best tasting 23:06 <@timoguin> i just jumped from another channel that was talking about rape 23:07 < Mercster> and food always tastes better the more work that went into it 23:07 <@rhia> eryc: damn, dude - that's what you made? 23:07 <@timoguin> and first thing i see is "i don't really care how it looks as long as it takes good" 23:07 < Mercster> (at least for the cook) 23:07 < Mercster> timoguin: heh 23:07 <@rhia> eryc: save me some! 23:07 <@rhia> timoguin: heh 23:07 <@m0j0-j0j0> I'm an okay cook... but I wish I didn't have to do it so much 23:08 <@timoguin> corn chowder sounds good 23:08 < Mercster> i dont cook at all 23:08 <@timoguin> I love to cook. 23:08 < Mercster> i do too 23:08 < Mercster> well 23:08 < Mercster> when you have someone other than yourself to cook for 23:08 <@rhia> m0j0-j0j0: good cooking is mostly liking good food - and being willing to make major fuckups occasionally 23:08 <@timoguin> rhia: so true 23:09 <@rhia> took me a year to get gravy, and 2 yrs to get fudge, but, i learned 23:09 <@timoguin> hahaha 23:09 < Mercster> gravy's not trivial 23:09 <@rhia> 1st gravy i made dad said you could park a jeep on - and he was probably right 23:09 <@timoguin> I got gravy the first time I tried. 23:09 < Mercster> hehe 23:10 <+eryc> i took some pics so far :) 23:10 <@timoguin> And I didn't mean that how it sounded. 23:10 <+eryc> http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/7853/chowda1ak2.jpg 23:10 <+eryc> http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/6731/chowda2fc5.jpg 23:10 <@rhia> i was 10 and didn't understand that you have to let the flour cook to thicken, so, i kept adding cups of flour 23:10 < Mercster> timoguin: ya ok bigtime 23:10 <@m0j0-j0j0> rhia: I think I prefer a good restaurant, but since I'm on this restrictive diet.. 23:11 <+eryc> i even used 2 kinds of corn 23:11 <+eryc> and a chile pepper (not sure if thats going to work or not) 23:11 <@rhia> eryc: ooohhh, serious hardcore 23:11 <@rhia> heheh 23:11 <@rhia> eryc: seriously, tho, the recipe sounds killer 23:12 <@rhia> um, 1/4 cup of chili pepper? hehe 23:12 < Mercster> mmmm hotwings 23:12 <+eryc> nono just 1 little one 23:12 * Mercster salivates 23:12 <@rhia> eryc: hehe 23:12 < Mercster> i should eat something 23:13 <@rhia> eryc: damn, now i want corn chowder - damn you! 23:13 < Mercster> went grocery shopping yesterday, did damn well...could barely fit it all in the kitchen 23:13 < Mercster> got some flavored instant mashed taters i wanna try 23:13 <@rhia> m0j0-j0j0: restrictive diet? 23:13 <+eryc> rhia: hehe 23:14 <@rhia> eryc: go stir your chowder so it doesn't stick 23:14 <+eryc> lol i have been running back and forth 23:14 < Mercster> is that a euphemism for a sexual act 23:14 < Mercster> sitting your chowder 23:15 < Mercster> i think i did that once and ended up with hemmorhoids 23:15 <@m0j0-j0j0> rhia: yeah.. I'm doing the SouthBeachDiet because my doctor told me I really needed to 23:15 <@rhia> Mercster: old, stale, and not particularly humorous - 23:15 <@rhia> Mercster: got a good chili recipe 23:16 -!- CRasH180 [n=what@c-68-52-32-134.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has left #se2600 ["Ex-Chat"] 23:16 < Mercster> rhia: do i? or you're telling me you do 23:16 <@rhia> m0j0-j0j0: ugh - oldest's ex-girlfriend was on that - 23:16 <@rhia> m0j0-j0j0: not exactly ... a taste sensation 23:16 * rhia hugs m0j0-j0j0 23:17 <@rhia> Mercster: asking for a good chili recipe, i've got two, but always open to try a new recipe 23:17 <@m0j0-j0j0> rhia: actually I have made about 50 dishes that are on the diet and most of them are really tasty 23:17 < Mercster> rhia: hmm, well ive got one i wanna try, apparently it's a world champ winner...lemme find it 23:17 <@m0j0-j0j0> rhia: but there are just about 0 side dishes 23:18 <@rhia> m0j0-j0j0: cool - then again, she hated about 90% of all non fat fried foods 23:18 <@m0j0-j0j0> rhia: Wendy's chili is on the diet 23:18 <@rhia> m0j0-j0j0: ???! 23:18 <@rhia> wow 23:18 <@m0j0-j0j0> that's why I make it all the time 23:18 <@rhia> m0j0-j0j0: hehe 23:19 <@m0j0-j0j0> cheesecake 23:19 <@m0j0-j0j0> "bean" cake 23:19 <@rhia> m0j0-j0j0: shut yo mouf 23:19 <@rhia> good NY cheesecake, or SBD cheesecake? 23:19 < Mercster> rhia: hmm dont think this is the award winner, but sounds decent. this is the one i was planning to make http://quanta.homeip.net/chili.html 23:20 < Mercster> ergh, turkey? 23:20 < Mercster> no no 23:20 < Mercster> bulgar fuckin wheat? 23:20 <@m0j0-j0j0> rhia: it's actually really close to normal NY style cheesecake 23:20 < Mercster> i aint no christian scientist 23:20 <@rhia> Mercster: use ground chuck instead 23:20 < Mercster> screw that. i think i saved that one by accident, i had another one in mind 23:20 < Mercster> oh well 23:20 < Mercster> rhia: yeah, if im eating chili, im eating red meat 23:20 < Mercster> no bones about that 23:20 <@rhia> and double the red pepper, and a few shakes of tabasco sauce 23:21 < Mercster> yeah, i dont need any direction on the texas pete's ;-) 23:21 <@rhia> and an habenero or two 23:21 < Mercster> i know just how much i like, which is a fuckin lot 23:21 < Mercster> rhia: honestly if i got a chance to make chili id not make that one, go back out to the world whili championships website 23:21 <@sdodson> i didn't drain muh beans 23:21 < Mercster> they have the recipes (or, most of it anyway) for the winners 23:22 <@m0j0-j0j0> rhia: lost 85#s total and the last 55 of those was on SBD 23:22 <@rhia> Mercster: yeah, my own recipe looks like it'd beat that one - 23:22 <@rhia> m0j0-j0j0: congrats! 23:22 <@m0j0-j0j0> rhia: thanks 23:23 <@rhia> m0j0-j0j0: that's awesome =) 23:23 <@m0j0-j0j0> rhia: pizza party at my house when I hit 100#s 23:23 <@m0j0-j0j0> :) 23:23 < Mercster> rhia: i musta saved this one on accident, thinking i was getting the other 23:23 < Mercster> cuz the one i had in mind that i thot was on my drive was definitely beef 23:23 <@rhia> m0j0-j0j0: me? i got happily married and went fat and sassy 23:23 < Mercster> didnt use ground either, iirc 23:23 < Mercster> used strips of steak or somesuch 23:24 < Mercster> rhia: http://www.chilicookoff.com/ 23:24 < Mercster> thats the site i got a recipe off once 23:24 <@rhia> m0j0-j0j0: well, i think i'm fat, Drag0n is just glad he's not bruising his thighs on my hipbones anymore 23:24 * m0j0-j0j0 climbs up on his soap box. 23:25 * rhia listens to m0j0-j0j0's soapbox oratory 23:25 <@m0j0-j0j0> fat isnt bad.. but unhealthy is.. We want you around for a long time so take care of yourself. 23:25 <@Peaches84> hello guys 23:25 * rhia hugs Peaches84 23:25 * m0j0-j0j0 steps down 23:25 <@rhia> hey, Peaches84 23:25 <@m0j0-j0j0> hey Peaches84 23:26 <@rhia> m0j0-j0j0: awwwhhhhh 23:26 <@Peaches84> how are yall doing 23:26 < Mercster> m0j0-j0j0: fats are usually bad...what doesnt cause heart disease causes cancer. 23:26 < Mercster> hi Peaches84 23:26 <@rhia> Peaches84: hungry - discussing good food and good recipes 23:26 <@Peaches84> hey Mercster 23:26 <@m0j0-j0j0> Mercster: actually, some fats are really good for you 23:27 <@Peaches84> i got a great recipe for a good fating desert 23:27 < Mercster> m0j0-j0j0: yeah, a few. fish oil, olive oil 23:27 <@m0j0-j0j0> Omega3 23:27 <@sdodson> ball oil 23:27 <@Peaches84> oh well lol 23:27 < Mercster> sdodson: mine's deelicious isnt it 23:28 <@sdodson> that's what i've heard 23:28 <@rhia> Peaches84: fating? 23:28 <@m0j0-j0j0> and sugar alcohol isnt all _that_ bad for you 23:28 < Mercster> m0j0-j0j0: you know what's a damn good food, good for you, especially with regards to digestion and metabolism? 23:28 <@Peaches84> nut juice is always good 23:28 < Mercster> nuts 23:28 < Mercster> real nuts 23:28 <@Peaches84> yeah well just because i am going back to school doesn't mean i can spell lol jk 23:28 <@rhia> m0j0-j0j0: actually, the sugar in alcohol is better than a lot of the sugar substitutes 23:28 < Mercster> like peanuts, cashews, etc. i dunno if they're technically nuts but they are culinarily 23:29 <@rhia> m0j0-j0j0: it's the alcohol that gets you 23:29 < Mercster> they have a lot of protein and good fat, and they tend to give you a good level of bloodsugar over a long period of time 23:29 < Mercster> avoidinging ups and downs 23:29 <@rhia> for all those sugar avoiders, go for stevia as a replacement, not anything saccharine or aspartame - that is all 23:30 <@sdodson> rhia: Why? 23:30 <@rhia> stevia is easily handled by the body, it 23:30 < Mercster> rhia: conspiracy 23:30 < Mercster> er, sdodson: conspiracy 23:30 <@m0j0-j0j0> well.. they are saying that stevia might not be any better than splenda 23:31 <@sdodson> I'm sure five years from now we'll find out it shrhinks your balls and I need those to raise my flock! 23:31 < Mercster> my balls are useless 23:32 <@rhia> saccharine and aspartame ... well, look it up online, avoid the obvious new age crap and for all the "as good as sugar" BS look really, really deeply into who paid for the reports 23:32 <@Peaches84> who bush? 23:32 <@m0j0-j0j0> damn bush 23:32 <@rhia> eventually, you'll find some independent reports that state that our bodies haven't evolved as quickly as the chemicals we put int 23:33 <@m0j0-j0j0> LSD? 23:34 <@rhia> sdodson: stevia is a natural sweet alternative to sucrose - very very very sweet, and no chemical side affects or interactions with medications 23:34 <@rhia> m0j0-j0j0: LSD isn't a sweetener, its just sweet (given the right circumstances) 23:34 <@rhia> m0j0-j0j0: and ... 23:35 * rhia whistles innocently and walks away from that convo 23:35 <@m0j0-j0j0> tee hee 23:35 <@rhia> well, pretend i can pretend to be innocent 23:35 <@sdodson> omg stevia is LSD! 23:35 <@rhia> sdodson: gasp!! shhhhhhhh 23:35 <@m0j0-j0j0> damn.. there goes the cover story 23:36 <@Peaches84> lol 23:36 <@rhia> Peaches84: who bush or whose bush? 23:36 <@m0j0-j0j0> impeach my bush 23:37 <+eryc> man this soup is super 23:37 <@m0j0-j0j0> high five 23:37 <@Peaches84> whose bush lol 23:38 <@Peaches84> mojo why are you always trying to get me in your bush 23:38 <@Peaches84> lol 23:38 <@m0j0-j0j0> shh don't tell Corydon76-dig 23:38 < Mercster> m0j0-j0j0 is dirty :( 23:39 <@Peaches84> lol 23:39 <@m0j0-j0j0> oh, I assure you that isn't true 23:39 <@Peaches84> hahaha 23:39 <@rhia> m0j0-j0j0: splenda is a chemical flip of sucrose with a really nasty chlorine compound - completely unnatural and already shows some issues with diabetics among other issues - stevia is an all natural plant leaf (think tea or spearmint) that is very, very sweet, not chemically altered, and doesn't create issues like splenda does 23:40 <@rhia> eryc: shush, or send me some soup =) 23:40 < Mercster> Peaches84: well, your BF was at it again earlier today. voiced the whole channel but me and set +m :( i was saying that law based on contemporary precedent was a bad thing 23:40 < Mercster> Peaches84: then a lot of people insulted me, so i defended my ideas, then he abused me 23:40 < Mercster> Peaches84: he said i was being too dogmatic. i think what that meant is that polerin didnt like it 23:41 <@Peaches84> was it the whips and chains this time 23:41 <@rhia> Peaches84: and if your boyfriend hadn't done so about 6 of us were ready to 23:41 <@m0j0-j0j0> oh, poos Mercster 23:41 < Mercster> just cuz i believe different 23:41 <@m0j0-j0j0> s/poos/poor 23:41 < Mercster> what broad minds, how accepting 23:42 <@rhia> m0j0-j0j0: poos works =) 23:42 < Mercster> i already poo'd dammit 23:42 <@m0j0-j0j0> Mercster: you knew you was being over the top about it 23:42 < Mercster> m0j0-j0j0: ... dont care how "over the top" i was...i always defend my positions strenuously 23:42 < Mercster> my crime was being good at it 23:42 <@rhia> that's not fair, hell, he works hard on being over the top 23:43 < Mercster> all anyone could really eek out was "do some research" 23:43 -!- mode/#se2600 [+v Mercster] by sdodson 23:43 <@rhia> works really, really, really hard at it 23:43 <+Mercster> "dude, your ideas are so low i cant even address them" 23:43 <+Mercster> that was sort of the mood 23:43 <+Mercster> and apparently, that holds weight 23:43 <+Mercster> who knows 23:43 <@rhia> Mercster: cuz, um, they were =) 23:43 <+Mercster> IM NOT GONNA GIVE UP ON YOU GUYS 23:44 <@sdodson> Never gonna give you up 23:44 <+Mercster> neva gonna GIVE neva gonna GIVE 23:44 <@rhia> sdodson: you did not ..... damn you! hehe 23:44 <@sdodson> rhia: you know how we do it 23:44 <@rhia> sdodson: that just make your year, didn't it? 23:44 <+Mercster> m0j0-j0j0: i did see you defending me to a degree tho, thanks btw 23:45 <@Peaches84> rhia: did you say mercster works hard at being a top or being over the top 23:45 <@m0j0-j0j0> Mercster: we aren't here to limit free speech 23:45 <+Mercster> im sorry Peaches84 but i must say, i think Corydon76-dig turned against me when he realized i dont like dingdongs 23:45 <@sdodson> I don't have time to irc at work 23:45 <@m0j0-j0j0> Mercster: unless you're just winding people up 23:45 <@sdodson> twinky man are you? 23:45 <@rhia> Peaches84: whatever fits the situation 23:46 <+Mercster> m0j0-j0j0: well, its irc, i dont pretend to be owed free speech. but, i do know when people toss around their @s when they dont have anything else to offer 23:46 <+Mercster> m0j0-j0j0: nah, again, im not a troll 23:46 <+Mercster> i mean, what i say may wind you up, but im not saying it for that purpose 23:46 <+Mercster> and ill be on topic 23:46 <+Mercster> thats all i can promise, and really all that should be required 23:46 <@rhia> Mercster: one day, i'll ask your opinion on troll - but not tonight, i'm headed to snuggle with a dragon 23:46 <+Mercster> i refuse to agree to walk on eggshells 23:47 <+Mercster> so that someone's feelings dont get hurt, or their own strongly-held view is challenged 23:47 <+Mercster> just aint me 23:47 * Mercster shrugs 23:47 * rhia waves g'nite 23:47 <+Mercster> night rhia 23:47 <@Peaches84> night girl 23:47 <@dasunt> mEH. 23:47 <@m0j0-j0j0> nite 23:47 <@rhia> and eryc - how was the chowder? details and care packages! 23:48 <+eryc> hehe its awesome 23:48 <+eryc> hang on i just took a pic of hte final product 23:48 <+Mercster> eryc: what is a 23:48 <+Mercster> erp 23:48 <+Mercster> eryc: what is a "chowder" anyway? 23:48 <+Mercster> what makes a chowder a chowder 23:48 <@m0j0-j0j0> the chowder part of it 23:49 <+Mercster> m0j0-j0j0: dubious 23:49 <+Mercster> but ill accept your answer for now, since it is a precedent 23:49 <+Mercster> now, until someone corrects you, that's the right answer 23:49 <+Mercster> see how much sense that makes! 23:50 <+eryc> http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/305/chowda3co0.jpg 23:50 <+Mercster> eryc: looks damn god 23:50 <+Mercster> er, good 23:50 <+eryc> thanks! 23:50 <+Mercster> i love a hearty soup/stew 23:50 <@Peaches84> mmm 23:50 <+Mercster> healthy and deliciou8s 23:50 <@sdodson> eryc: you already got sick and puked? 23:51 <+eryc> i dont know exactly what makes chowder a chowda but it seems to involve milk and thickener 23:51 <+Mercster> sdodson: duuuude 23:51 <+Mercster> grodey 23:51 <+eryc> sdodson: lulz! 23:51 <@sdodson> eryc: recipe, naooooooooo 23:51 <+eryc> i gave it! 23:51 <+eryc> http://www.elise.com/recipes/archives/002121corn_chowder.php 23:51 <+Mercster> eryc: nod...probably a thicker, milk base 23:51 <+Mercster> seems all chowders i think of are creamy 23:51 <+Mercster> i think 23:51 <+Mercster> who knows 23:51 <@sdodson> eryc: thanks you 23:52 <@rhia> um..... chowder is a soup or stew with milk 23:52 <+Mercster> brian wilson is on tavis smiley 23:52 -!- sdodson [n=sdodson@serenity.ninjr.org] has quit ["leaving"] 23:53 <+Mercster> rhia: good job 23:53 <@m0j0-j0j0> he's a sad person 23:53 <@rhia> bloody processor fan - too bad you can't kick a box to have the processor fan shutup =( 23:53 <+Mercster> he's cryin' on the inside? 23:53 <+Mercster> rhia: heck, ive kicked a box to shut up a case fan plenty of times 23:53 <@rhia> headed to bed and my linux system decided to start squealing 23:53 <+Mercster> sometimes it even works 23:53 <@scoil> good mornin rhia 23:53 <@m0j0-j0j0> he and that skanky porn star ..ron jeremy? 23:54 <+Mercster> but if it's been making noise for too long, you wanna replace it, cuz failure could damage your shiz 23:54 <+eryc> yea i smack my boxes around when they start whinin 23:54 <+Mercster> m0j0-j0j0: im not sure ron jeremy is crying on the inside 23:54 <@rhia> Mercster: its the processor fan, not a regular box fan - and yes, we need to replace it soon 23:55 <@m0j0-j0j0> Mercster: to this day he thinks that porn is going to be his gate way to real acting 23:55 <+Mercster> m0j0-j0j0: who, sdodson or ron jeremy? 23:55 <@m0j0-j0j0> Mercster: pretty damn sad 23:55 <@m0j0-j0j0> Mercster: RJ 23:55 <+Mercster> dude i dont think ron jeremy even gets porn gigs anymore, he was hideous enough as it is 20 years ago or whatever 23:56 <+Mercster> m0j0-j0j0: last i need of RJ was he was doing lots of reality shows 23:56 <@rhia> quiet all day, i start to head to bed, it starts whining and squealing - sigh 23:56 <+Mercster> rhia: try a kick...try it! 23:56 <+Mercster> beating on hardware is a lost art 23:56 <+eryc> nah stick your finger in it 23:56 <+Mercster> eryc: that could stop it for good 23:56 <@rhia> Mercster: box fan, yeah, not opening it to kick the processor 23:57 <+Mercster> rhia: if you kick the whole box the proc fan will still get a jolt 23:57 <+Mercster> maybe just enough 23:57 <@rhia> them electronical thingies get kinda upset about that 23:57 <+Mercster> eh 23:57 <+Mercster> MIGHT MAKES RIGHT 23:57 * Mercster smacks his box 23:58 <@m0j0-j0j0> Mercster: doesn't that hurt 23:58 <@m0j0-j0j0> oh, you mean the computer 23:58 <+Mercster> FILTH 23:58 <+Mercster> you are FILTHY SIR 23:58 <@m0j0-j0j0> I thought you hit yourself in the box ;) 23:58 <@m0j0-j0j0> yeah 23:58 <@m0j0-j0j0> thats me 23:58 <@m0j0-j0j0> dirty dirty boy 23:58 <+Mercster> nah i avoid punching myself in the junk as much as possible 23:59 <+Mercster> i mean, sometimes there's nothing else to do 23:59 <+Mercster> but i keep it to a bare minimum 23:59 <@m0j0-j0j0> I'm sure that's a healthy stance 23:59 <+Mercster> the AMA recommends it 23:59 <@rhia> lolol, hangon --- Log closed Fri Jan 23 00:00:22 2009