--- Log opened Wed Jan 21 00:00:16 2009
--- Day changed Wed Jan 21 2009
00:00 <+eryc> damn!
00:00 <+eryc> my iPhone idea was not original afterall. :(
00:00 <+eryc> Application: GoSkyWatch
00:00 <+eryc> Platform: iPhone
00:00 <+eryc> Price: $10
00:00 <+eryc> Sure, anybody can identify the Big Dipper and maybe even Orion. But what about Scorpius? Or Hercules? Or Triangulum Australe? This app pinpoints where you are, then checks the current date and time to figure out what stars are above you. To get the name of a given cluster, just point the back of your phone toward it and, thanks to the iPhone's internal accelerometer, that constellation and its moniker will appear onscreen.
00:01 <+eryc> STOP STEALIN MAH IDEAS PPL!
00:01 <@sasquatc4> they are sellin a telescope that does that too, but you can give it a starting point and it will do a whole show for you with naration
00:03 <@sasquatc4> http://www.gadgetreview.com/2008/11/auto-star-gazing-comes-home-with-the-etx-ls-telescope.html
00:03 <@sasquatc4> not the same article i saw on it, the one i saw said stuff about naration too, but that has the general info
00:05 <+eryc> http://www.meade.com/etx-ls/index.html
00:05 <+eryc> i guess $1299 seems reasonable
00:05 <@mgalgoci> we got 7 inches of snow here today
00:06 <+eryc> where is that
00:06 <@mgalgoci> raleigh nc
00:06 <@mgalgoci> so everything is fuct and everything shuts down
00:06 <@sasquatc4> hehe, talked to my parents and they were all pissed cause they were freezin their asses off and it is 70 here
00:11 <+eryc> you're not in colorado anymore?
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00:12 <@sdodson> mgalgoci: I went in today, it wasn't bad. I think this morning will be worse.
00:14 <@ShadowHntr> well time to start playing with VMware ESXi
00:14 <@ShadowHntr> :)
00:14 <@sdodson> :(
00:15 <@sdodson> I forgot to mention that ESX makes no fucking sense unless you've got multiple esx hosts and you pay for their big fat licenses.
00:15 <@ShadowHntr> well the only thing i'm having trouble figuring out
00:16 <@ShadowHntr> is how the optical drive abstraction works
00:16 <@ShadowHntr> host-side, client-side, guest-side, etc.
00:16 <@ShadowHntr> i'm trying to install the bloody OS
00:16 <@ShadowHntr> :P
00:19 <@sasquatc4> eryc: i am
00:20 <@sasquatc4> its just that today it was 65 and tomorrow its 70, we always have a few warm weeks like this in winter, but usually it hovers around 40-50 anyway in the winter
00:22 <@dasunt> It's been nice lately.
00:23 <@ShadowHntr> i've liked the flurries out here
00:23  * dasunt checks weather for his Thursday ride.
00:23 <@ShadowHntr> i went to Paducah today
00:23 <@ShadowHntr> gotta go back tomorrow
00:24 <@dasunt> Woot.
00:24 <@dasunt> 18°F for my Thursday morning commute, 19°F for the evening.  :D
00:24 <@ShadowHntr> yikes
00:25 <@dasunt> It's warm baby!
00:25 <@dasunt> http://bikesnobnyc.blogspot.com/2009/01/bsnyc-friday-fun-quiz_16.html
00:25 <@dasunt> ^- That's a local cyclist from when it was cold last week.
00:30  * ShadowHntr hates low-level formatting disks
00:30 <@ShadowHntr> takes for-fucking-ever
00:50 <+Mercster> Snuggie! The blanket with sleeves!
00:50 <@ShadowHntr> wish i had thought of that
00:50 <@ShadowHntr> ;P
00:56 <+Mercster> ShadowHntr: looks like a fucking backwards robe
00:57 <@ShadowHntr> i know
00:57 <+Mercster> ;-)
00:57 < ware> lolmercster
00:57 < ware> mercersterlol
00:58 <+Mercster> loooooool @ me
00:59 < ware> lol@u
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02:16 <@scoil> ?
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03:33 <@TheLightCosine> holy crap the xkcd guy is only 24?
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06:01 <@TheLightCosine> curse you thread-locking!
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06:29 < Synx_hm> so sleepy
06:47 <@jb7od> m0rning #se2600!!
07:13 <@brimstone> hi jb7od
07:18 <@TheLightCosine> curse .NEt threading
07:19 <@TheLightCosine> this is vexing
07:27 <@sdodson> ahyeeeeeee
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07:40 <@TheLightCosine> @%$%@$%@$%@$%@$%
07:40 <@TheLightCosine> fuck you .NEt fuck yoooooouuuu!
07:42 < AstralSin> hah
07:42 < AstralSin> are you coding something in .net or just bitching at the framework in general?
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07:52 <@TheLightCosine> coding
07:53 <@TheLightCosine> trying to get Ivoke to work right, so that these threads will step a progressbar correctly
07:53 <@TheLightCosine> *invoke
07:56 < AstralSin> oddly enough, i tried for 2 days once to get a progressbar to work correctly... as soon as i commented my code that stepped it out of the program, it worked correctly
07:56 < AstralSin> in C#
08:03 <@TheLightCosine> hrm
08:03 <@TheLightCosine> ...
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08:05 <@TheLightCosine> now i got the progressbar to step but it does all the stepping in one shot at the end, and then it creates some kind of messed up race condition with the queue and throws an io exception
08:05 <@TheLightCosine> damnit
08:11 <@TheLightCosine> oooooooh i know what the problem is....shit i dunno how to fix it without breaking something else though
08:17 <@TheLightCosine> i think that the problem is ebcause the threads are joined, the main UI thread is waiting for them to finish before continuing, so when i sue invoke it is creating a sub-process under that main thread, which is subject to that same wait as the rest of the main application, so the updates to the progressbar all go off at the same time after all the work has already been done
08:20 <@TheLightCosine> hrm yup that's exactly what my problem is, hrmm
08:22  * brimstone signals TheLightCosine with semephore
08:23 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
08:23 <@TheLightCosine> morning dole
08:23 <@Dolemite> howdy
08:26 <@TheLightCosine> maybe instead of blocking the threads, i could jsut set  a conditional loop against the execution status of the thread,s where if they are still alive it just does a wait...
08:26 <@TheLightCosine> or shit, will that just cause me the same problem...
08:26 <@TheLightCosine> gah threads can be such a pain in the ass!
08:28 <@TheLightCosine> damnit where's a dev when you need one
08:42 <@m0j0-j0j0> TheLightCosine: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Design_pattern_(computer_science)
08:44 <@TheLightCosine> m0j0-j0j0: ?
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08:46 <@m0j0-j0j0> TheLightCosine: you aren't the first person with this issue.. go find a pattern that addresses it and leverage the years of information gathering someone else did to make you life easier
08:48 <@m0j0-j0j0> or are you one of those programmers that can do everything better than everyone else ever has?
08:48 <@TheLightCosine> haha
08:48 <@TheLightCosine> no i'm one of those programmers that can't do anything better than anyone else ever has ;)
08:49 <@m0j0-j0j0> I'm sure you're good at what you do
08:49 <@TheLightCosine> but i have a senior dev on im
08:49 <@TheLightCosine> Second Rule of Perl: Don't Reinvent the Wheel
08:50 <@m0j0-j0j0> software patterns are one of those differences between people that think they are awesome and people that actually are awesome at coding
08:51 <@TheLightCosine> i fall into the "I think what i'm doing is awesome, and the more i do it the btter i get" category
08:51 <@m0j0-j0j0> if someone has done 8 years of research to come up with the best way to do something... chances are that I'm not going to do better in the 5 minutes I give it
08:51 <@TheLightCosine> of course the answer the dev gave me was so simple i probbaly should have come up with it myself but i didn't
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08:52 <@m0j0-j0j0> what was that?
08:52 <@critch> m0j0-j0j0: unless you are modifying their code to work better
08:53 <@m0j0-j0j0> critch: I generally don't do that either just because I figure that it is the way it is for a reason I might not understand
08:53 <@m0j0-j0j0> critch: but... occasionally I'll try to tighten things up.
08:53 <@critch> I guess from using ruby and having the ability to change,patch stuff on the fly, it is pretty routine to change behavior for any reason.
08:54 <@m0j0-j0j0> critch: yeah.. ruby has its own challenges and rewards
08:54 <@critch> I had a library yesterday that assumed I would be using another library, I defined the few methods it was picking from the other library and made them use the library we already are using.
08:55 <@critch> Basically I fixed it by making the assert calls in Test::Unit turn into should and should_not calls into rspec
08:57 <@TheLightCosine> m0j0-j0j0:  to invoke another method at each run of the threads to decrement a counter, and when that counter hits 0 then run the rest of the code, and leave the threads unblocked and allow the button-clcik event to finish
08:59 <@m0j0-j0j0> TheLightCosine: is it possible to have a thread that doesnt complete causing everything to fail because you never hit 0
08:59 <@TheLightCosine> shouldn't
08:59 <@m0j0-j0j0> or at that point is it all going to fail anyway
09:01 <@TheLightCosine> the sub the threads run is pretty much a Try block, that if an exception is thrown does a little extra, and then regardless of success or failure moves on
09:01 <@m0j0-j0j0> well, I guess if you didn't NEED it to complete you wouldn't be waiting for it in the first place
09:03 <@m0j0-j0j0> TheLightCosine: cool.. I just know that we've had code that assumed a thread would complete but because of NFS mount issues they hung and since all the code waited for them to come back.. while they didn't fail... the also didn't succeed..
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09:04 <@m0j0-j0j0> I'm just saying.. make sure that you have some timeout on it as well.'
09:05 <@TheLightCosine> ..
09:05 <@TheLightCosine> wait, when did i tell you what the sub was doing? =P
09:05 <@TheLightCosine> and point well taken
09:07 <@TheLightCosine> but how the hell did you know what my code was doing?
09:07 <@m0j0-j0j0> TheLightCosine: and then.. there was this one time at band camp....
09:08 <@TheLightCosine> oooh wait i misread what you said lol
09:08 <@TheLightCosine> i was like, how the hell did he know my code was doing stuff on fileshares
09:09 <@m0j0-j0j0> TheLightCosine: in about 15 years... you'll find that every program you've ever coded is exactly the same as all the othhers.. and that everything everyone has coded is the same as well
09:10 <@TheLightCosine> heh
09:10 <@TheLightCosine> it's the Writer's paradox "nothing new udner the sun"
09:11 <@m0j0-j0j0> Input -> Processing -> Output
09:11 <@TheLightCosine> heh, i remmeber my "intoduction to operating systems" class we had to create IPO tables
09:11 <@m0j0-j0j0> we're the future factory workers of the digital age
09:12 <@TheLightCosine> that was actually a really itneresting class
09:12 <@critch> future? I think we are the current factory workers
09:12 <@TheLightCosine> it was the first time someone actually explained to me how memory addressing works, mathematically speaking
09:12 <@m0j0-j0j0> critch: I was trying not to scare him
09:13 <@critch> heh, at least we get paid better than the old school factory workers
09:13 <@TheLightCosine> m0j0-j0j0: i have spent the past 6-7 years working help desk type jobs
09:13 <@TheLightCosine> i have no spirit left to break
09:13 <@m0j0-j0j0> critch: that's why I didn't say what I really think... which is that we're more the janitors
09:14 <@critch> well the good news is we get to be the cross between the engineer and the laborer
09:14 <@m0j0-j0j0> what?  your toilets plugged up and you cant get your email... be right there
09:15 <@critch> I thought that only happened with internet by sewer line
09:15 <@critch> in that case, it isn't garbage in garbage out, it is shit in, and shit out
09:17 <@m0j0-j0j0> 50% Off Roundtrip To/From Seattle/Tacoma
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09:52 <@Peaches84> morning
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10:00 <@polerin> critch: this begs an intersting question
10:01 <@polerin> does the industry need a union
10:07 <@critch> polerin: yeah, we need a union just like the Voight workers did. When they finally signed the new contract after a 4 month strike, they ended up with the same thing they had been first offered except minus a $3000 signing bonus.
10:07 <@critch> polerin: Plus if we had a union, we strike, and the work goes to India or Pakistan in no time.
10:07 <@polerin> critch: heh
10:07 <@polerin> and comes back with extra "Oh god my shits fucked up" work to do
10:08 <@critch> polerin: not always will it come back that way, but updates require full rewrites.
10:08  * polerin nods
10:09 <@polerin> I've seen it already
10:09 <@polerin> :P
10:09 <@critch> same here
10:09 <@polerin> well, I'd be supprised if you had XD
10:09 <@TheLightCosine> heh
10:09 <@TheLightCosine> I passed the Voight workers every morning on my way to work =P
10:09 <@polerin> anyway, individual unions are not neccisarily effective, and our society has been working to make them less so... which makes me sorta upset
10:09 <@polerin> but yeah
10:10 <@critch> My story was of an indian developer who couldn't get fine grain slider action on a audio player on windows mobile.
10:10 <@critch> TheLightCosine: They are just down the road from my office.
10:10 <@TheLightCosine> you just off Briley?
10:11 <@critch> Seems indian dev wasn't able to think of arbitrary start points, but was fully locked into 8k blocks of audio
10:11 <@critch> TheLightCosine: Yeah, office is in an apartment.
10:11 <@TheLightCosine> ah heh
10:11 <@TheLightCosine> i'm jsut down off Elm Hill pike
10:11 <@critch> TheLightCosine: that is the benefit of a company with 3 employees and no customer traffic to the offices.
10:11 <@TheLightCosine> heh
10:12 <@critch> If I wasn't in a go to lunch with the GF every day mode, I would say we should grab lunch sometime.
10:13 <@TheLightCosine> heh, well women do take precendence =P
10:13 <@critch> especially since we are currently carpooling to work, and I have her car with me.
10:14 <@TheLightCosine> ah, indeed
10:15 <@TheLightCosine> hrm interesting, now the progressbar works correctly but i seem to have created a counting error somewhere lol, i can't fix something but for breaking something else
10:19 <@polerin> heh
10:20 <@TheLightCosine> hrm damnit, i have a null array entry being added at the end i think, that explains it
10:26 <@TheLightCosine> okay yay i have fixed without breaking further, now to just add some tiemout functions and input validation and this part will be done, yay
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11:02 <@TheLightCosine> shit...
11:02 <@TheLightCosine> i dunno if i can do a timeout without blocking the threads
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11:04 <@Corydon76-dig> TheLightCosine: explain
11:06 <@TheLightCosine> i have 4 threads launched by buttonclick event, each thread runs a recursive sub processing entries from a Queue, hwoever after each item is processed it also needs to step a progressbar, in order to do that i cannot have the threads blocked by a join statement, or the progressbar will not step until all execution has finished in those 4 threads
11:06 <@TheLightCosine> er join method rather
11:06 <@TheLightCosine> sorry getting sql terminology mixed in there
11:07 <@Corydon76-dig> TheLightCosine: classic way to do a timeout is to spawn a thread that after a set interval sends a signal back to the blocked thread (something that is merely ignored, but breaks the block).  If the original blocking thread unblocks before it receives the signal, then it cancels the timing thread
11:07 <@TheLightCosine> let me ask you this corydon, is there any feasible way to timeout iterations of that recusrive sub, or can i only do it at the thread level?
11:08 <@Corydon76-dig> Depends on what is blocking
11:08 <@Corydon76-dig> poll(2) ?
11:09 <@Corydon76-dig> If it's a system call, then you absolutely need a signal to interrupt it
11:09 <@TheLightCosine> nope, this is all in .net
11:10 <@Corydon76-dig> Oh... then these aren't POSIX threads?
11:10 <@TheLightCosine> negative
11:10 <@TheLightCosine> win32
11:10 <@Corydon76-dig> No idea how to do it, then
11:10 <@TheLightCosine> heh
11:11 <@Corydon76-dig> Have to read the docs on how to interrupt those blocking methods external to the thread
11:11 <@TheLightCosine> or .NET may even implement it's own seperate threading i dunno, i don't pretend to really udnerstand that deep into the framework
11:11 <@Corydon76-dig> You may have to see if those input methods have an asynch method that you poll on a regular basis
11:12 <@Corydon76-dig> poll nonblocking, basically
11:12 <@Corydon76-dig> That's the way you do nonblocking on SQL processing
11:13 <@Corydon76-dig> Start the query asynch, then check back on a regular interval to see if the query has finished
11:13 <@TheLightCosine> at current, the threads are jsut let to run to termination freely, and that allows the event procedure to terminate and leave the main thread free to be Invoked for stepping the progressbar. the default .net way to timeout a thread is to use join(timeout) which will of course put it right back into blocking and break the progressbar all voer again
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11:16 <@Corydon76-dig> You could always do your progressbar the way the iigs guys did their progressbar
11:17 <@TheLightCosine> ?
11:17 <@Corydon76-dig> Basically, they timed how long the previous bootup process took and used that to decide how slowly to fill the progressbar in the following boot
11:17 <@Corydon76-dig> So sometimes the progressbar was off
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11:18 <@TheLightCosine> ....i'm thinknig about this the wrong way
11:19 <@TheLightCosine> i'm getting it all twisted , i am suing the progressbar as an indicator of a timeout problem in the first place, i'll put the capability to snip the threads in the user's hands and jsut put a goddamned cancel button!
11:19 <@TheLightCosine> duh!
11:20 <@TheLightCosine> not something you'd do for a commercial product maybe, but this is going to be for internal it use anyways, so who cares
11:22 <@TheLightCosine> thanks corydon, you helped me realise i was losing sight of what the actual component i was so cocnerned with was there for
11:26 <@Dolemite> http://google-latlong.blogspot.com/2009/01/satellite-image-of-dc-on-inauguration.html
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11:32 -ChanServ:#se2600- Corydon76-dig (Corydon76-home) set flags -b on timoguin.
11:32 -ChanServ:#se2600- Corydon76-dig (Corydon76-home) set flags -b on coil.
11:37 <@TheLightCosine> wow, what'd timoguin get banned fo?
11:37 <@Dolemite> he decided to de-op everybody when chanserv dropped out for a bit
11:38 <@TheLightCosine> hehe
11:39 <@Shadow404> i lawled
11:39 <@Dolemite> yeah, I don't think that it warrented a 24 hour ban, but I was hardly in here yesterday, anyway
11:40 <@Shadow404> not like chanserv didnt fix everything automatically after it came back...
11:40 <@Dolemite> yep
11:41 <@Shadow404> Corydon76-dig: un ban didnt work
11:41 <@Shadow404> try hostname
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11:41 <@Shadow404> nm, he did it directly
11:42 <@TheLightCosine> heh
11:42 <@TheLightCosine> and i presume coil was jsut being himself to get banned?
11:42 <@Shadow404> pretty much
11:42 <@TheLightCosine> yet wonder of wonders mercster is still with us =P
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11:43 <@coil> >.>
11:43 <@coil> <.<
11:43 <@Dolemite> rofl, for anybody who loves to make fun of cheesy fantasy movies
11:43 <@Dolemite> http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2009/1/16/
11:43 <@Dolemite> first of a 3 part (so far) comic
11:43 <@TheLightCosine> careful where you're pointing those things, you'll poke someone's eyes out
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11:45 <@timoguin> I'm channel God!
11:45 <@Shadow404> there we go
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11:45 <@brimstone> fixed
11:45 <@Shadow404> haha
11:45 < timoguin> ...was
11:45 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o timoguin] by brimstone
11:45 <@brimstone> jk
11:45 <@coil> dont take all the credit
11:46 <@timoguin> coil and I are channel Godz.
11:46  * polerin sighs
11:47 <@timoguin> polerin: yer just jellis
11:47 <@polerin> oh you know it
11:48 <@timoguin> I'm wearing underarmor
11:48 <@timoguin> Makes me feel strong.
11:48 <@polerin> I wish I could have de-opped everyone in the channel cept for me.
11:48 <@polerin> :P
11:48 <@timoguin> yea but you didn't think of it!
11:48  * eryc recalls the reason this chan is on freenode in the first place
11:49 <@TheLightCosine> which is?
11:49 <@coil> omg takeover?
11:49 <+eryc> cuz i tookover! muahaha
11:49 <+eryc> it used to be on efnet
11:49 <@TheLightCosine> ah effnet
11:49 <@coil> just as long as it was for the lulz, it's okay.
11:50 <@TheLightCosine> haven for bothearder, porn peddlers, and fake warez
11:50 <@timoguin> So I'm probably going to move. Roomie gave me 30-day notice that he was moving two days ago.
11:50 <@polerin> actually the reason it's here iirc is that efnet was having major split issues
11:50 <@timoguin> Lease is up Jan 31st and I haven't renewed.
11:50 <@timoguin> So I'm not sure what I'm gonna do.
11:51 <@TheLightCosine> cardboard box?
11:51 <@coil> i haven't renewed my lease in the 7 months it's been up
11:51 <+eryc> polerin: nah i think i kicked everyone and set +i
11:51 <@timoguin> TheLightCosine: Well I have a lot more options than that. =)
11:51 <@polerin> you may have done that after the majority of people moved over here, but the splits were really the first reason
11:52 <@polerin> because I don't remeber that, and I remeber the splits ;p
11:52 <@timoguin> coil: My landlord won't do a month-by-month.
11:52 <@timoguin> Well he will, but he charges like $100 more
11:52 <@coil> fuck that
11:52 <@coil> cardboard box sounds promising
11:53 <+eryc> polerin: nah it wasnt the splits
11:53 <@timoguin> Well I could either find a new roommate, find a cheaper place I can pay for myself, move in with hot bitch, move in with either of my parents.
11:53 <@coil> and by roommate are you talking about ware?
11:54 <@TheLightCosine> god who would live with ware?
11:54 <@polerin> eryc: you're right, it was all you.  what was I thinking :P
11:54 <@TheLightCosine> i mean dun get me wrong, i like the kid and all
11:54 <@Corydon76-dig> timoguin: if you moved in with your father though, you could not continue sleeping around
11:54 <@TheLightCosine> but yeesh =P
11:54 <+eryc> polerin, :P
11:54 <@timoguin> coil: Nope, he moved out months ago.
11:54 <@timoguin> Talking about the guy who replaced him.
11:54 <@Corydon76-dig> timoguin: Sesquipedalian?
11:55 <@timoguin> Corydon76-dig: hahaha no
11:55 <@timoguin> He lives with his parents.
11:55 <@TheLightCosine> a six legged alien?
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12:14 <@Dolemite> timoguin : d0h!  NotLarry has been looking for a room to rent from someone but he just found one this week.  You two could have been roomies!
12:22 <@coil> http://flickr.com/photos/30109689@N03/sets/72157612758626401/ portal gun
12:23 <@Evilpig> lol
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12:31 <@Evilpig> I just noticed WoW added two more feats of strength in this last patch.  http://www.wowarmory.com/character-achievements.xml?r=Mal%27Ganis&n=Evilpig  water for molten core which isn't needed now and the bat pet from kara from that two week peroid
12:32 <@Dagmar> Oh you suck
12:32 <@Evilpig> why?
12:32 <@Evilpig> I got hte 160 recipes last night.  heh
12:33 <@Dagmar> I figured I'd wait to even bother with the Chef title, but you get two free achievements, and I get a bunch of fucking histrionics in the Hunter forums
12:34 <@Dagmar> I swear Blizzard needs to make an interstitial that just says in big letters "IF YOU HAVE NOT FIRED AT LEAST 500 SHOTS AT A TEST DUMMY, THEN SHUT YOUR FUCKING MOUTH" with an Okay button at the bottom
12:34 <@Dagmar> There are some people trying to claim a 60% nerf in DPS
12:34 <@Dagmar> ...and I don't believe that for a second.
12:36 <@Evilpig> some specs got hit with a nerf bat
12:37 <@Dolemite> such as?
12:37 <@Dolemite> I downloaded, logged on and then got a disconnect message of "World Server Unavailable"
12:37 <@Dagmar> Yeah but the biggest impact unless something was bugged should have been 30%
12:37 <@Evilpig> haven't heard rogues bitching yet about hat getting fixed
12:37 <@Dolemite> So I said fuck it and worked on getting my irblaster working for my mythtv/uverse/hdpvr setup
12:37 <@Dagmar> ...and that was to Gorilladin tanking.  They nerfed that pretty specifically
12:38 <@Dagmar> Volley got a 30% across the board nerf, as did Thunderstomp.
12:38 <@Evilpig> volley was OP
12:38 <@Dagmar> ...which basically means I'll just need to do three casts of Volley instead of two.  Big damn deal.
12:38 <@Dagmar> Oh yeah I agree with you there.
12:38 <@Dagmar> If I pulled out all those haste trinkets, my DPS would go above Ophera (frost mage) with Volley
12:39 <@Dagmar> ...and was just about on par with my focus fire damage on single mobs
12:39 <@Evilpig> when the breakpoint for dps was just two that made volley better.  that is pretty bad.
12:39 <@Dagmar> ...but like, by theorcrafting, no one's focus-fire DPS should have dropped more than 12%, which is also fine IMHO
12:40 <@Evilpig> last night we had more than 144 new dk's roll on mal'ganis between 5 - 6pm
12:40 <@Evilpig> I'm assuming you saw a nice influx as well?
12:41 <@Dolemite> Evilpig : That must be what crashed the realm server as that's when I got disconnected.  heh.
12:42 <@Evilpig> no.  wintergrasp was killing the server
12:42 <@Evilpig> and only notherend
12:42 <@Dolemite> well that's where everybody is.  heh.
12:42 <@Evilpig> ther ewas a blue post about it last night when they shut it down
12:42 <@Dagmar> Yeah they've turned it off for now
12:42 <@Evilpig> if you were in outland or old world you were fine
12:42 <@Dolemite> I have yet to enter Wintergrasp
12:42 <@Dagmar> They'll probably roll back a bunch of people's honor
12:42 <@Evilpig> I want to know what the warlock exploit was
12:43 <@Evilpig> the one that made them remove the summoning stone at the last second
12:43 <@Dagmar> Especially considering there were upwards of 80 people per side in there last night, which is a lot more than it would normally be
12:43 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: Player duping..  ;)
12:43 <@Evilpig> just 80?  your server must be low pop
12:43 <@Evilpig> we have that always.  ugh.  the whole server lags to shit when WG starts
12:43 <@Dolemite> what's a cheap place to buy cables from?
12:43 <@Dagmar> It's medium pop, but the word about free honor definitely spread dast
12:44 <@Dagmar> Dolemite: I generally just pick whatever place Froogle says is cheap
12:44 <@Dolemite> Someone listed one in here a few weeks back and I an't remember it
12:44 <@Dagmar> I got a note from our noob rogue saying he made 28k honor last night because of that repeated crashing
12:44 <+Mercster> whats the upper end of BT ports, 6889-?
12:45 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: explain on the duping.  we tried last night to figure out what the exploit could be and we were at a loss.  but a way to dupe something would be just how
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12:46 <@Dagmar> Probably something where A selects a player to summon, clicks, B clicks their portal, then B clicks on the stone and A click's on B's portal, and player C sppears twice.
12:46 <@Dagmar> Yes I am completely full of it, but your caffiene levels are low if you didn't see that coming
12:46 <@Dolemite> http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=bittorrent+port+range
12:47 <@Dagmar> Dolemite: Don't forget port 48848
12:47 <@Evilpig> if they could summon someone while trading an item fast enough they could maybe dupe something.  but we were trying to figure out if the stone could be used to cheese some boss encounter somewhere
12:47 <@Dagmar> BitTorrent "DNA", which entertainingly runs all the damn time
12:47 <@Evilpig> like drop the stone before saph or something and it be an extra hiding place type of thing
12:47 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: Well, I'm figuring that there might have been a break on the restrictions about how long the summon stays open
12:47 <@Dagmar> ...or something that allowed you to summon anyone
12:48 <@Dagmar> ...including people not in your group or faction.  Probably something along those lines
12:48 <@Evilpig> that could have been it
12:48 <@Evilpig> fuck for all we know it was just broken and they took it out and used that as an excuse
12:56 <@Dagmar> Hey hey, humans have fingers now
12:56 <@coil> word of the wise, if you're my roommate, dont leave the bottle of liquor sitting out, i'll surely drink it all before you get home
12:59 <@Evilpig> 256MB of ram in a 3Ghz machine should be a crime
13:00 <@coil> "i've got all this horse power but no room to gallop!"
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13:03 <@Evilpig> this is about to get good, isn't it?
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13:12 <@Evilpig> i'm in the shop area of this company and they have a police scanner on.  I hear them describe a blue pickup truck turned left out of mcdonalds and they wanted him for reckless driving.  another cop not even two blocks away in the direction the guy was going never saw him come by.  they lost the truck in less than a quarter of a mile
13:13 <@Evilpig> and we aren't talking a high traffic area either
13:16 <@Dagmar> YAY
13:20 <@Dagmar> Pray this never happens to ya --> http://failblog.org/2009/01/21/wheel-fail/
13:23 <@Shadow404> ok, i take back what i said about mcaffe, just that their lame auto verification tool sucks
13:23 <@Shadow404> but they did use some logic to fix it
13:25 <@tzanger> hmm, I can't see that fail
13:25 <@tzanger> other fails work
13:38 <@coil> man i love pussy (cats) all they do is purr and love it when you pet them, and i love petting them because all they do is purr
13:41 <@Shadow404> same thing with pussies
13:41 <@Shadow404> (and i dont mean cats)
14:02 <@Corydon76-dig> They only do that with the batteries in
14:03 < AstralSin> not if you know what you're doing
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14:20 <@Dolemite> I don't know why these dark chocolate covered almonds come in a resealable pouch since the whole thing was empty within 15 minutes of opening...
14:22 <@Corydon76-dig> Dolemite: does Vanderbilt offer a free arterial cleaning?
14:22 <@TheLightCosine> lol
14:23 <@Corydon76-dig> All that saturated fat is likely to accumulate and give you a heart attack
14:23 <@Corydon76-dig> The almonds are fine... it's the chocolate that'll kill you
14:24 <@Dolemite> Free minus the copay
14:32  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
14:32  * Dolemite convulses
14:36  * aestetix pokes Dolemite with a stick
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14:53  * polerin takes dole to the hospital, then goes on with the presidential luncheon
14:54 <@polerin> (also, anyone have an update on how he's doing?
14:54 <@polerin> )
15:00 <@rhia> dunno about DOle, but Kennedy's been released from the hospital
15:03 <@polerin> k
15:10 <@Dagmar> Does anyone know of a quote by Vixie or someone high in DNS-land to support the idea that hostnames are supposed to be human-memorable?
15:11 <@brimstone> hostnames?
15:11 <@Shadow404> i use ips?
15:11 <@Shadow404> who uses hostnames these days?
15:11 <@brimstone> so 1-10-20-10.inaddr.arpa isn't good enough?
15:12 <@Shadow404> i get to google via http://209.85.171.100 just like everyone else?
15:12 <@Shadow404> duh
15:16 <@polerin> ...  no way.  Google is 74.125.45.100
15:16 <@polerin> :P
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15:16 <@aestetix> Shit.
15:17 <@aestetix> Microsoft is cutting 8000 jobs?
15:17 <@critch> So now they won't be MicroSofties, but rather MicroShafties.
15:18 <@Shadow404> polerin: 3 round robin ip's
15:18 <@polerin> Shadow404: Yes, I know.
15:18 <@Shadow404> ok
15:26 <@Dagmar> Yeah well ther'e a push here now apparently to get rid of the "real" hoistnames
15:27 <@Dagmar> ...and replace them all with what might as well be "purpose-encoded" hostnames, which I don't find particularly useful when alphabet soup is rather hard to remember.
15:27 <@Dagmar> I'm just hoping to find some purpose statement by Vixie or something before it spreads into a push to get rid of the hostnames for departments that only have three machines anyway so if they want to name them Winken, Blinken, and Nod it doesn't hurt anyone
15:28 <@Corydon76-dig> The first time someone needs to find a machine quickly, this whole scheme will backfire
15:28 <@Dagmar> I wish.
15:29 <@Dagmar> It generally means we write down the name on a post-it and then look it up in inventory because it's now impossible to remember where the hell they are.
15:29 <@Dagmar> This time last year you could throw hostnames at me and with a bit of thinking I could tell you where they were from memory.
15:30 <@Corydon76-dig> A better scheme would be to use different sets of names, one for each section... here there be trees, here there be flowers, here there be women's names, etc.
15:30 <@aestetix> And then you discovered women?
15:31 <@Dagmar> Yeah that's basically what's going on in most departments, but our own stuff is starting to get named with human-hostile names now
15:31 <@brimstone> we did 80's bands and beers
15:37 <@Dagmar> What I'd like to see just once is machines named after specific kinds of kink and/or sex acts.
15:37 <@Corydon76-dig> Dagmar: Digium once had machines named after female body parts
15:38 <@Corydon76-dig> hoochie
15:39 <@brimstone> misery
15:39 <@brimstone> RIP
15:40 <@brimstone> wasn't the mail server hoochie Corydon76-dig?
15:40 <@Corydon76-dig> I think so
15:40 <@brimstone> it was the mailserver that offended someone and we had to rename :(
15:41 <@Shadow404> offended who?
15:41 <@Shadow404> in the company? or random person?
15:42 <@Corydon76-dig> Probably in the company
15:42 <@brimstone> someone outside the company
15:42 <@brimstone> maildaemon@hoochie.digium.com offended someone
15:42 <@Corydon76-dig> Heh
15:42 <@rhia> should have told them it was a tribute to Charo
15:43 <@Shadow404> sooo
15:43 <@Shadow404> and what right do they have to make you change it?
15:43 <+eryc> hostnames should include location and purpose
15:43 <@Shadow404> what are they gonna do, blackhole your traffic cause the mailserver is offending?
15:43 <@brimstone> the owner of the company said change it
15:43 <@Shadow404> please?
15:43 <@Shadow404> sigh, ok
15:43 <@Shadow404> i can understand that
15:44 <+eryc> i dont enjoy trying to remember jupiters 4th moon or the 5th deadly sin
15:44 <+eryc> removing vowels though is equally dumb
15:44 <@brimstone> i was talking with someone in here about dns a while back
15:44 <@Shadow404> me
15:44 <@brimstone> no, someone else Shadow404
15:45 <@Shadow404> oh
15:45 <@brimstone> this was a long while back
15:45 <@Shadow404> well define that
15:45 <@brimstone> they were talking about -mgt was a CNAME to -eth0 on the box, etc
15:45 <@brimstone> hostname-mgt CNAME hostname-eth0 which was an A to 10.whatever
15:45 <@brimstone> then www CNAME hostname-eth0, etc
15:46 <+eryc> maybe me then
15:46 <+eryc> thats how i prefer to name them
15:47 <+eryc> i think its a pretty workable scheme
15:47 <@brimstone> yeah, sounds reasonable
15:48 <+eryc> when you manage like 200 machines you quickly lose interest in being "creative"
15:49 <+eryc> if all you have is a web and email server, hell name them all after hoochies
15:49 <@Shadow404> yeah!
15:51 <+eryc> just be glad you dont have CLLI codes
15:52 <@brimstone> that's silly
15:54 <@Shadow404> or spf records
15:54 <@Shadow404> those suck
15:55 <@brimstone> not a fan of _server._protocol._somethingelse.domain.tld?
16:07 <@nachoguy> so, if I have a file that contains "$foo" and $ foo is an exported bash variable, how would I print out the file and do the replace?
16:08 <@brimstone> eval
16:08 <@nachoguy> I knew I was missing something
16:13  * eryc adds `rm -rf /` to the end of file
16:14 <+eryc> i would probably use sed i think
16:14 <@polerin> nachoguy: wait
16:14 <+eryc> unless you dont know the variable name
16:14 <@polerin> in what environment?
16:14 <@polerin> oh
16:14 <@polerin> bash.  nm, fail@read.
16:15 <+eryc> sed "s/\$foo/$foo/"
16:15 <@nachoguy> eryc, yeah, but if I have lots of them, then it gets a bit crazy
16:18 <+eryc> for line in $(<file); do eval echo $line; done
16:18 <+eryc> that what you have?
16:21 <+eryc> "${line/\`/\\\`}" would escape backticks..
16:23 <@nachoguy> yeah, I've got it, it's a bit hairy, but the eval echo $line works
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16:32 <@polerin> wait, how is removing government controls on something Orwellian?
16:33 <@polerin> Rep. Virginia Foxx is a bit ... unclear on the meaning of that
16:46 <@Dagmar> eryc: Yeah, but then how do you stop your eyes from bleeding
16:49 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: context?
16:54 <@rhia> http://www.pegasusnews.com/news/2009/jan/21/texas-state-board-education-will-continue-battle-o/#c43946
16:54  * rhia weeps
16:56 <@tzanger> that's what you get for living in texas :-)
16:59 <@rhia> tzanger: but they keep sending folks up to DC so it gets you, too
16:59 <@rhia> same with Kansas, Alabama, etc
17:00 <@tzanger> heh yes
17:01  * I-MOD weeps for alabama
17:01 <@I-MOD> not like i wouldn't have seen it coming...
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17:08 <@tzanger> rhia: http://capitolannex.com/2008/11/19/an-interview-with-dr-eugenie-scott-executive-director-of-the-national-center-for-science-education/
17:08 <@tzanger> that's a good interview
17:09 <@Dagmar> I have such piss poor luck on new installs with the first kernel I put together I feel like I should start a pool up now
17:10 <@Dagmar> "What will be the ultimate reason Dagmar's machine will not boot up properly this time?"
17:13 <@rhia> tzanger: so basically creationists are evolving the way they push creationism? <g>
17:13 <@timoguin> rhia: Is <g> a smile?
17:13 <@timoguin> I've wondered that for a long time.
17:13 <@rhia> timoguin: grin
17:13 <@timoguin> That's what I figured.
17:13 <@brimstone> a hold over from ICQ days eh?
17:14 <@Dagmar> tzanger: No they're just learning that you need to really perfume bullshit or people know what it is before open the box.
17:14 <@Corydon76-dig> Could also be giggle
17:14 <@brimstone> what's the lineage of <g> ?
17:14 <@Dagmar> brimstone: Way, way predates that
17:14 <@rhia> brimstone: heh, old old icq days, yeah
17:14 <@rhia> but even before
17:14 <@Corydon76-dig> Usenet, too
17:15 <@rhia> considering my original icq # was well under 1000 - and haven't touched it since AOL aquired it
17:16 <@rhia> Corydon76-dig: yeah, forgot about that - been a while since i've used that either
17:17 <@tzanger> heh
17:17 <@tzanger> wow
17:17 <@tzanger> you beat me with your icq #
17:17 <@tzanger> mine was 1519862
17:18 <@tzanger> still is, but I don't use it
17:18 <@tzanger> a friend I knew had 800-something thousand
17:18 <@tzanger> but under 1000, wow
17:18 <@tzanger> that's even better than my slashdot id
17:18 <@tzanger> 1572 I think?
17:18 <@timoguin> http://i.gizmodo.com/5135806/accelerometer+equipped-cock-ring-counts-how-many-boinks-it-takes-to-reach-female-disappointment-nsfw
17:18 <@timoguin> bahahahaha
17:18 <@timoguin> ^^ cockring that counts the number of humps
17:19 <@tzanger> haha
17:19 <@rhia> tzanger: had a friend who was in with the developers, he talked them into adding a lot of our company to the list
17:19 <@Dagmar> tzanger: Mine was five digits.
17:19 <@tzanger> rhia: ahh, I knew sefi and ari, but not that closely
17:19 <@rhia> our company being all of 47 people at the time
17:20 <@Dagmar> tzanger: You've got me beat on the Slashdot ID tho.  I was lazy about that and didn't register until I was allocated 5939
17:20 <@rhia> tech side got accounts, business side didn't see any value in chat when they could call you into their office 3 doors down
17:21 <@tzanger> rhia: sounds very business side
17:27 <@rhia> tzanger: yep, the more things change, the more they stay the same
17:29 <@rhia> anyone talk to Elonka lately?
17:29 <@Dagmar> Not in ages.
17:30 < ware> lolmoney
17:31 <@timoguin> mohnaylol
17:31 <@rhia> icq/aol reminded me of her and her aol site <g>  haven't talked to her since no long after her book came out
17:31 <@rhia> not*
17:31 <@timoguin> elonka is hothothot
17:41  * ware loves the hotel living
17:41 < ware> and the company credit card
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17:53 <@rhia> ware: loving beautiful Staten Island? heheh
17:54 < ware> it is gross. i do not understand why people would want to live here
17:55 < ware> horrible roads and traffic, crazy uppity people with thier crazy northern accents
17:56 <@Corydon76-dig> ware: most people who live in NYC don't own cars
17:56 <@Corydon76-dig> They take the subway everywhere
17:56 <@Corydon76-dig> and given the amount of walking, they're likely to be in better shape
17:56 <@rhia> Corydon76-dig: enough do, esp of the B&T
17:57 <@Corydon76-dig> rhia: yeah, but much of the traffic is due to people who commute to the city for work
17:57 < ware> just sayin
17:57 < ware> cars or not, i still dont see why people would want to live up here
17:57 <@rhia> yeah, the bridge & tunnel folks
17:58 <@Dagmar> High population density has created access to more hookers than ever before, and price competition is fierce.
17:58 <@Corydon76-dig> ware: imagine how much more money you'd have if you didn't have to pay for gas and maintenance of your car
17:59 < ware> money != happiness
17:59 < ware> or quality of life
17:59 <@Corydon76-dig> I'm actually closer to that, even though I live in the suburbs...
18:00 <@Corydon76-dig> I almost never have to leave my house
18:09 <@aestetix> what the hell is wrong with san francisco
18:09 <@aestetix> everyone is making small talk
18:10 <@Dagmar> No, that's not it.
18:10 <@aestetix> it's drizzling a little bit. If I'm at a street corner with someone for more than five seconds, I get "man, this weather sucks, doesn't it?"
18:10 <@Dagmar> They're _candy-asses_ about it oevr there.
18:10 <@Dagmar> I used to walk six blocks to the hair salon in what passes for rain over there and they'd tell me I'll catch my death for not using an umbrella.
18:11 <@Dagmar> If it's not raining hard enough to mess up my hair, then by my reckoning, it's not raining.
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18:12 <@aestetix> The weather is pansy just like everything else.
18:12 <@Dagmar> The pot is not pansy there.
18:12 <@Dagmar> ...and neither is the food.
18:12 <@aestetix> Ok, fair enough.
18:13 <@Dagmar> You can almost plot a causal relationship there.  :)
18:13 <@aestetix> I'm wondering how people can "not make it" in San Francisco.
18:13 <@Dagmar> Even hole in the wall tacquerias have good stuff there.
18:13 <@aestetix> I mean seriously. "Dude, California was so harsh and unforgiving, I had to move back to Ohio..."
18:13 <@Dagmar> aestetix: Because a one-room apartment overlooking an abbatoir costs $700/month there.
18:14 <@aestetix> Dagmar: so loosen your jaw and stretch your tongue muscles.
18:14 <@aestetix> And uh. $700/month is a fucking steal.
18:14 <@Dagmar> Yes, it is.
18:14 <@Dagmar> ...but could you stand the smell of the abbatoir?
18:15 <@Dagmar> $900/month will get you your own bathroom.
18:15 <@Dagmar> ...but you'll still be upwind of the abbatoir.
18:15 <@rhia> Dagmar: what's a little blood? ;)
18:15 <@aestetix> I love that the tenderloin passes for ghetto.
18:16 <@Dagmar> Blood's not that big of a deal.
18:16 <@Dagmar> What's in the intestines and colon on the other hand...
18:18 <@rhia> incense - lots of patchouli
18:18 <@aestetix> god
18:18 <@aestetix> fucking patchouli oil
18:19 <@aestetix> "Hey man, I don't wanna fuck up my dreads by washing them, so I'm just gonna coat them with dirt."
18:19 <@aestetix> "Oh whoops, that was dog shit... my bad"
18:25 <@Dagmar> Four bucks will get you some ligher fluid you can sniff and then light to burn out those olfactories
18:35  * aestetix needs to reread the DMCA
18:36 <@tzanger> for dreadlocks?
18:37 <@aestetix> No, just some legal stuff.
18:37 <@aestetix> hmm. scratch n sniff dreads....
18:39 <@Dagmar> *sigh*
18:40 <@Dagmar> DAMNIT
18:40 <@Dagmar> I know why the thing won't reboot
18:40 <@Dagmar> FFS
18:40 <@Dagmar> I forgot to eject and lock the fucking CD caddy before rebooting
18:43 <@m0j0-j0j0> or it has orders from the government not to let you
18:43 < cerkit> The Dutch have a good sense of humor
18:43 < cerkit> http://i41.tinypic.com/rhjwnq.jpg
18:43 <@m0j0-j0j0> I'm sorry Dagmar I'm afraid I can't do that.
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18:56 <@cerkit> I'm not all that interested in the content, but, this song, underneath this, is from a movie.
18:56 <@cerkit> And, I'd love to be able to track down the song...
18:56 <@cerkit> So, if you look at this, and know the name, please, let me know.
18:56 <@cerkit> Its killing me.
18:56 <@cerkit> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRLPG_HplrA
18:57 <@cerkit> I keep thinking its at the end of Sneakers.
18:57 <@cerkit> But, I don't know.
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18:58 <@m0j0-j0j0> cerkit: I have sneakers if you want me to look it up
18:58 < sasquatc4> yah, that does sorta remind me of the end
18:58 < sasquatc4> but id have to check my copy too
18:59 <@cerkit> When they're talking about where the money went?
18:59 <@cerkit> right?
18:59 <@m0j0-j0j0> I never get audio on youtube
18:59 <@cerkit> its a really nice song, whatever it is
19:00 < sasquatc4> checkin now
19:00 <@cerkit> Nice.
19:00 <@cerkit> Because amazon doesn't even have clips from the soundtrack
19:00 <@cerkit> So, I can't even eliminate that, heh.
19:01 <@cerkit> its probably
19:01 <@cerkit> track 10
19:01 <@cerkit> And the Blind Shall See
19:01 <+eryc> Peter Schiff rules
19:01 <@cerkit> given what that YouTube video was, anyway
19:02 < sasquatc4> if i could get vlc to freakin play it i would
19:03 < sasquatc4> there we go, mpc ftc
19:03 < sasquatc4> ftw
19:05 < sasquatc4> dont think so, most of the soundtrack on it is jazzy sorta horns
19:06 < sasquatc4> but fuck it does really sound like it was in there in the middle somewhere
19:08 <@cerkit> damnit
19:08 <@cerkit> its not in the soundtrack
19:08 <@cerkit> what the hell movie is that from!?
19:10 <@cerkit> If its not Sneakers, its some shit like Pelican Brief, or a Tom Cruise movie where he plays a lawyer...
19:10 <@cerkit> its some shit like that.
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19:10 < sasquatc4> yea, it sounds like a fairly generic orchestral track, prolly been in a few movies
19:11 <@cerkit> Its possible.
19:11 <@cerkit> But I don't think so.
19:11 <@cerkit> I think its a primary theme to a movie.
19:11 <@cerkit> something they played through it
19:13 <+eryc> try, Thomas Newman - Road to Chicago (Road to Perdition Soundtrack)
19:13 <@cerkit> fuckin a
19:13 <@cerkit> thats it
19:13 <@cerkit> Road to Perdition!?
19:14 <@cerkit> oh you rock
19:14 <@cerkit> Thanks Eric
19:15 < sasquatc4> wow nice
19:16 <@cerkit> See, thats something I can just loop while I work
19:16 <@cerkit> Seriously man, thanks a lot
19:16 <+eryc> word
19:16 <+eryc> it was in the comments :)
19:16 <@cerkit> oh god
19:16 <@cerkit> my dumb ass
19:17 <@cerkit> The funniest thing is
19:17 <@cerkit> I was in IMDB
19:17 <@cerkit> Looking down Tom Hanks movies
19:17 <@cerkit> But admittedly, I started with Tom Cruise
19:17 <@cerkit> And worked my way around.
19:17 <@cerkit> So, I might have never found it.
19:18 <@cerkit> I was just going to big names
19:18 <@cerkit> To see if a movie title would spark some memory, heh
19:18 <@rhia> least you hadn't made it through all the Tom's and then the Dick and Harry's
19:18 <@cerkit> That song is awesome.
19:18 <@cerkit> rhia: Go listen to it
19:18 <@cerkit> rhia: http://stickystockings.com/files/Archive/Flipfix/Soundtrack/Road%20to%20Chicago.mp3
19:18 <@cerkit> google!
19:19 <@rhia> listening to a version now
19:20 <@cerkit> ipod'd
19:20 <@cerkit> bewm
19:20 <@cerkit> heh
19:21 < Mercster> hehehehee :)
19:22 <@rhia> strictly piano, w/o the strings - very nice, tho the full version is much more majestic
19:24 <@cerkit> This guy, Thomas Newman also did the Shawshank theme
19:24 <@cerkit> Thats good too
19:25  * eryc now has a Thomas Newman pandora station
19:25 <@cerkit> nice
19:26 <+eryc> 1st up, Uferlose Sea by Tim Story
19:27 <@cerkit> I'm downloading an album.
19:28 <@cerkit> Oh shit
19:28 <@cerkit> I'm retarded
19:28 <@cerkit> This is Alfred Newman's son.
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19:28 <@cerkit> This dude's whole family just fucking kills movie soundtracks on the regular.
19:28 <@cerkit> hahaha
19:30 < Mercster> http://img.timeinc.net/time/daily/2009/0901/obama_oval_0121.jpg
19:30 < Mercster> good pic
19:31 <@m0j0-j0j0> cerkit: I dont think its the same song.. but I think it's in the same scale
19:33 <+eryc> .
19:33 <+eryc> its the song..
19:33 <@cerkit> Yeah, really.
19:33 <@cerkit> heh
19:33 <@cerkit> It is.  He found it.
19:34 <@m0j0-j0j0> hey
19:34 <@m0j0-j0j0> wait
19:34 <@cerkit> eryc: What are you doing watching Peter Schiff videos though?
19:34 <@cerkit> Thats the real question.
19:34 <@cerkit> :)
19:34 <@m0j0-j0j0> this video is talking about me
19:34 <@cerkit> eryc
19:34 <@m0j0-j0j0> or at least blames me
19:34 <@cerkit> You buying gold, canned goods and guns? :)
19:35 <@m0j0-j0j0> I'm the guy behind the media
19:35 <+eryc> hah
19:35 <+eryc> my coworker has all his money in gold
19:35 <@Dagmar> Guns... that's what I'm missing
19:35 <+eryc> he has a lot of Peter Schiff books
19:35 <@cerkit> One of his books is good.
19:35 <@brimstone> i need more canned goods myself
19:35 <@cerkit> I don't know about the other.
19:36 <@cerkit> Little Bull Moves in Bear Markets, I think?
19:36 <@cerkit> Something like that.
19:36 <@m0j0-j0j0> who did the music.. Danny Elfman?
19:36 <@cerkit> eryc: I never read Crashproof.
19:36 <+eryc> i just have 2nd hand info
19:36 <@Dagmar> elfman pwns, so long as you like orchestras
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19:36 <+eryc> my money is all in a shoebox under my pillow
19:37 <@cerkit> I didn't need Peter Schiff to tell me we were over immersed in debt.  It was when I was in 3 retail stores in a day, and got more offers for credit cards than I purchased items, that I knew shit was fucked up.
19:37 <@mgalgoci> I've invested my vast fortune in guns, ammunition, gasoline, and canned food
19:37 <@cerkit> "Would you a Chinese Buffet Credit Card?"
19:37 <@m0j0-j0j0> Dagmar: yeah.. like 90% of movie soundtracks has his name on them so it seems
19:37 <@cerkit> "Would you an Auntie Anne's Credit Card?"
19:38 <@cerkit> "McDonalds now takes credit cards!"
19:38 <@cerkit> I mean, the signs were everywhere.
19:38 <@cerkit> heh
19:38 <@cerkit> Schiff's right about one thing though.
19:38 <@m0j0-j0j0> can we go ahead and just bump it up to the implanted chip thing already
19:39 <+eryc> my brother used to work for a mortgage company and clued me in on the crap they were pulling in that industry
19:39 <@m0j0-j0j0> I've got plans for that
19:39 <@cerkit> If any velocity gets under this money they keep dumping in, and the deflation trade DOES reverse... we're in some deep doo-doo
19:39 <@Dagmar> m0j0-j0j0: The reason is, Danny Elfman pwns.
19:39 <@cerkit> He's been wrong about gold though.
19:39 <@cerkit> It never touched 1600 in 2008.
19:40 <@m0j0-j0j0> diamonds
19:40 <@cerkit> And in fact, its just levered down with the S&P to almost 1:1
19:40 <@cerkit> So, some parts of his model are flawed.
19:40 <+eryc> you should talk to my coworker
19:41 <+eryc> he's all into this stuff.. way more than me
19:41 <@cerkit> eryc: Its cool man, I know plenty of Schiffites.
19:41 <@cerkit> I'm "into it" because I have money-- skin in the game.
19:41 <@cerkit> IRAs... Brokerage accounts...
19:41 <@cerkit> that sort of thing.
19:42 <+eryc> im saving all my money to start a business one day
19:42 <@cerkit> eryc: Iz dontz wanna be brokez
19:42 <@cerkit> Well, I'm saving money too. haha.
19:42 <@cerkit> Its like a 4:1 thing with investments.
19:43 <@m0j0-j0j0> Im not starving. and I know how to farm and manage livestock and make my own eneregy so... I'm think I can manage
19:43 <@brimstone> i wish i did
19:43 <@cerkit> Me too
19:43 <@cerkit> eryc: I
19:43 <@brimstone> i should find a farm to live on for a year or so
19:43 <@cerkit> err
19:43 <@cerkit> eryc: I've basically allocated myself a very minimalist position of my check, for me. The rest is broken into an alotment of accounts.
19:44 <@cerkit> eryc: The same thing, spread over even more accounts, is my company's income
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19:44 <@cerkit> I keep the kind of money on me someone who works at Burger King would have.
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19:44 <@brimstone> ~$2k in hard drugs?
19:44 <@m0j0-j0j0> the end of 2001 look a little like Guitar Hero
19:45 <@cerkit> I like to keep a strong cash position at all times.
19:45 <@m0j0-j0j0> I would guess that most people that could have liquid cash don
19:45 <@m0j0-j0j0> t
19:46 <@cerkit> I try to stay 80% cash.
19:46 <@cerkit> I end up about 73%.
19:46 <@cerkit> I always end up spending on impulse.
19:46 <@cerkit> (a little more than I target)
19:47 <@m0j0-j0j0> about 10% of my income goes to impulse
19:48 <@m0j0-j0j0> but I consider eating out as a grocery expense so...
19:48 <@cerkit> eryc: What kind of business do you want to open?
19:48 <+eryc> i need to stop eating at restaurants
19:48 <+eryc> cerkit: no idea
19:48 <@cerkit> Oh.
19:48 <@cerkit> eryc: I'm saving to open a business too: its call, sitting on my fat fucking ass before I'm too old to even enjoy that
19:48 <@m0j0-j0j0> eryc: a make shop
19:49 <@cerkit> Inc.
19:49 <@cerkit> sorry
19:49 <+eryc> heh
19:49 <+eryc> m0j0-j0j0: wassat?
19:49 <@cerkit> eryc: Having your business has sucked so far.
19:49 <@cerkit> Err
19:49 <@cerkit> Having my own
19:49 <@cerkit> business
19:49 <@cerkit> has sucked so far
19:50 <@cerkit> I never imagined that there would be this much work.  *shrug*
19:50 <@m0j0-j0j0> cerkit: it tends to
19:50 <@m0j0-j0j0> eryc: its a hacker hangout
19:50 <@cerkit> eryc: SEP-IRAs, Healthcare, Corporate Tax people...
19:51 <@cerkit> eryc: Business Planning Cyclings, Budgeting, Hiring, Marketing
19:51 <@cerkit> Then of course
19:51 <@cerkit> Theres the actual work you have to do
19:51 <@cerkit> hahaha
19:52 <@cerkit> k
19:52 <@m0j0-j0j0> cerkit: you should try doing it for something you have absolutely 0 passion for.. that makes it better
19:52 <@cerkit> I wouldn't even be able
19:53 <+eryc> im thinking human trafficking is a good biz
19:53 <@cerkit> It wouldn't make it onto the paper on top of the drawing table
19:53 <+eryc> no paperwork, all profit
19:53 <@cerkit> eryc: Well, seriously, thats whats up.  Its basically a lot less fun than you will probably expect.
19:53 <@cerkit> I've been doing it for about 4 years.
19:53 <+eryc> i can imagine
19:54 <@cerkit> Before that, I did shit off and on.  Fits and starts.
19:54 <@cerkit> But, its been pretty "for real" for the last 2 years, and it took about 2 years of "building" to do that
19:54 <@cerkit> And this year... shit
19:54 <@cerkit> Everything could fall apart around me.
19:54 <@cerkit> So, who knows.
19:55 <@cerkit> eryc: I'm just saying, when you go to play that particular inning, bring your fucking a game, homes.
19:55 <@cerkit> holmes
19:55 <@m0j0-j0j0> well.. late last year I got outta mine
19:55 <@cerkit> m0j0-j0j0: What did you do?
19:55 <+eryc> ill have my biz partner do all that
19:55 <@m0j0-j0j0> cerkit: bought an art gallery
19:55 <@cerkit> Sweety jesus
19:56 <@m0j0-j0j0> yeah
19:56 <@cerkit> Good move getting out of that
19:56 <@cerkit> Goddamn\
19:56 <@m0j0-j0j0> I'm not an artist
19:56 <@m0j0-j0j0> and I dont like art
19:56 <@cerkit> So why in the fuck did you do it?
19:56 <@m0j0-j0j0> I got caught up in an ebay moment
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19:57 <+eryc> art chicks man!
19:57 <@m0j0-j0j0> and figured I would give it a couple of years to see what was up
19:57 <@m0j0-j0j0> dude... there are a lot of crazy art chicks
19:57 <@cerkit> Well, I do software.
19:58 <@cerkit> Not exactly the highest margins, if you know what the fuck you're doing.
19:58 <@m0j0-j0j0> I do software from 9-5
19:58 <@cerkit> So, plenty of money to be made.
19:58 <@cerkit> Again, assuming you know what the fuck you're doing.
19:58 <@m0j0-j0j0> software paid for the art gallery
19:58 <@m0j0-j0j0> and then I got out of it
19:59 <@cerkit> Well working for one... and building a software shop and pumping out initial products...
19:59 <@m0j0-j0j0> now I would like the place back
19:59 <@cerkit> are definetly whole other separate universes
19:59 <@m0j0-j0j0> but only so I could turn it into a make shop
19:59 <@m0j0-j0j0> cerkit: no doubt
20:00 <@cerkit> Ya know the take for granted structure?  The work flow orientation? The levered skills of the well known members?
20:00 <@m0j0-j0j0> cerkit: I have a friend that wants me to be part if his startup.. and I dont know that I have it in me to do that again
20:00 <@cerkit> Yeah, that doesn't exist.
20:01 <@cerkit> You have to create that, before you type up a single line of code.
20:01 <@cerkit> Then, you have to know what the fuck you're doing with the code, obviously too.
20:01 <@Dagmar> Hahah
20:01 <@Dagmar> "The PD-8400 will automatically bend, break and mangle the hard drive making the hard drive easily distinguishable from non destroyed hard drives - ensuring the disposal of the correct hard drive. "
20:01 <@cerkit> So, its <sarcasm> REAL </sarcasm> fun
20:02 <@m0j0-j0j0> cerkit: well.. that would actually be the upside to the startup thing
20:02 <@cerkit> If you thought you had coworkers you wanted to bitchslap, just wait until you call them employee!
20:03 <@cerkit> m0j0-j0j0: Sure, if you all mostly agree on how that ought to be done.
20:03 <@m0j0-j0j0> its someone that I've worked with in both the software side of things and the art side of things and he and I have a good rhythm already figured out
20:03 <@cerkit> And then your team whips out whole other ideas like tits on a girls gone wild video, and your back to square one.
20:04 <@m0j0-j0j0> cerkit: I have a cowoorker I cant stand and he won the lottery last week
20:04 <@m0j0-j0j0> cerkit: I figured that would mean that at least he'd be quitting .. but no
20:05 <@m0j0-j0j0> he's going to bank it and keep doing his job..
20:06 <@m0j0-j0j0> it's just proof that if there is a god. she doesnt care about us
20:07 <@m0j0-j0j0> the guy looks and acts like Andy off The Office
20:07 <@cerkit> And if he did exist, and he did care...
20:07 <@cerkit> Would it change anything important?
20:07 <@cerkit> This is till the world in which we live.
20:07 <@cerkit> Thats just coffee how shit-- how someone else feels about it.
20:07 <@cerkit> house*
20:07 <@m0j0-j0j0> if he did exist and did care he wouldnt let jack-asses win the lotto
20:08 <@cerkit> That assumes you think like God
20:08 <@cerkit> And God thinks he's a jackass
20:08 <@cerkit> What if you're God's jackass?
20:08 <@cerkit> Would that even make sense?
20:08 <@m0j0-j0j0> no doubt I am
20:08 <@Drag0n> he let a jackass become the last president
20:08 <@cerkit> You thinking like God?
20:09 <@m0j0-j0j0> he would think like me
20:09 <@cerkit> Then how God-ish is he?
20:09 <@m0j0-j0j0> and everyone thinks this guy is a jackass
20:09 <@cerkit> I can just go talk to you.
20:09 <@cerkit> I don't need God.
20:09 <@Dagmar> Who the hell's the geek on the boat
20:09 <@m0j0-j0j0> you can just go talk to god
20:10 <@m0j0-j0j0> you dont need me :)
20:10 <@cerkit> I just think its very easy to see, especially if you consider Voltaire suggested it so long ago.  If God didn't exist, we'd need to create him.  And if he did, we'd need to destroy him.
20:10 <@rhia> since man created god/s, god/s have thought like men
20:10 <@cerkit> rhia: precisely.
20:11 <@cerkit> Its a personalizing form of personification.
20:11 <@cerkit> Man does it with many things.
20:11 <@cerkit> Fictions are no different.
20:11 <@brimstone> rabbits do it with many more
20:11 <@m0j0-j0j0> ... okay.. I wasn't actually trying to kick off a discussion about god
20:11 <@m0j0-j0j0> or gods
20:12 <@m0j0-j0j0> or goddess
20:12 <@brimstone> you do know where you are right?
20:12 <@m0j0-j0j0> or Bob Dobbs
20:12 <@brimstone> bob dobbs!
20:13 <@cerkit> I guess I get frustrated by the weakness, presented by species, that they would need to cling to such pre-historic nonsense.
20:13 < Mercster> cerkit: you should run for master of the universe
20:13 <@cerkit> by a*
20:14 <@m0j0-j0j0> cerkit: you should see the good side of it
20:15 <@m0j0-j0j0> cerkit: religion is control system for people that need one very badly.
20:16 <@cerkit> m0j0-j0j0: I would prefer to tolerate the turnover process of their complete destruction.
20:16 <@m0j0-j0j0> cerkit: it makes people feel good (or bad) about things
20:16 <@cerkit> In order that whatever remained would have a much better life.
20:16 <@m0j0-j0j0> cerkit: barring the complete destruction of everybody who is an idiot... we need something in place
20:17 <@cerkit> m0j0-j0j0: My point is, religion is giving you that as well
20:17 <@cerkit> over time.
20:17 <@cerkit> So, actually, I'm mostly fine with it.
20:17 <@cerkit> But, poking fun at purely bad reasoning is well... fun.
20:17 <@m0j0-j0j0> cerkit: not fast enough to reduce the numbers.
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20:17 <@cerkit> m0j0-j0j0: I'm in it for the long term.
20:17 <@rhia> "the opiate of the masses" - Marx was on to something with that line of thought
20:18 <@cerkit> So, its cool.
20:18 <@cerkit> I actually agree with evolution.
20:18 <@cerkit> heh
20:18 < Mercster> you're in it for ~80 years
20:22 <@m0j0-j0j0> I think I'm going to have a smoke and figure out what I'm going to cook
20:28 <@cerkit> enjoy it
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20:48 <@sdodson> ohhai!
20:50 <@sdodson> Do people still get personal e-mail or has it all been usurped by facebook and other crap?
20:50  * eryc superpokes sdodson 
20:51 <@brimstone> i still get personal email, but mainly that's because of mailing lists
20:52 <@sdodson> Tech list or things 180' off of your vocation?
20:52 < Falun|home> sdodson: I get personal email and almost no social networking messages
21:01 <@cerkit> Depending on how you define social networking, I don't get any social networking messages.
21:01 <@cerkit> And I do still get personal e-mail.
21:02 <@cerkit> But, some people consider anything where people can be social, a social networking site.
21:06 <+eryc> i get all my personal email on 4chan
21:07 <@sdodson> eryc: omg, timestamp!
21:17 <@Dagmar> *sigh* that Honda commercial kills me
21:18 <@Dagmar> They score up some road so the wheels of the car make differently-toned pitches and have the wheel noise play a little tune.
21:18 <@Dagmar> Would it really have killed them to put a bit more detail into the scoring so the tires say "SLOW DOWN, STOP AHEAD"
21:18 <@Dagmar> ...or perhaps "I AM WATCHING YOU."
21:19 <@Dagmar> Actually, there's an idea.
21:19 <@dc0de> Dagmar, it sounds like something that we should do, on a stretch of country road somewhere....
21:20 <@Dagmar> I wonder just how much trouble we'd get into
21:20 <@Dagmar> LET'S FIND OUT
21:20 <@Dagmar> dc0de: Absolutely
21:20 <@dc0de> I'm thinking 1/2" steel dowels...
21:20 <@dc0de> or something similar...
21:20 <@dc0de> 3/8" steel plate with the ridges welded on the surface...
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21:21 <@dc0de> nah, that's too much work.
21:21 <+eryc> easier to fake it
21:27 <@Dagmar> I'm thinking something we can easily stick to the road
21:28 <@Dagmar> ...like the slow-curing adhesive they use on the white strips they mark crosswalks and intersections with
21:29 <@Dagmar> Most importantly, something we can lay down quickly with a minimum of disruption
21:29 < Mercster> dc0de: im sorry i got riled up and threatened to knock your teeth out
21:34 <@mgalgoci> bad luck --> http://ydr.inyork.com/ci_11517549
21:35 < Mercster> mgalgoci: fuck it, it was a loner
21:35 < Mercster> loaner
21:36 <@mgalgoci> yeah, I hope he paid for the insurance though
21:36 <@mgalgoci> actually
21:36 <@mgalgoci> wtf do I care
21:36 <@mgalgoci> I don't know him
21:38 < CRasH180> That doesn't mean that you do not have to care.
21:39 < ware> srs
21:41 < Mercster> man, bj penn vs georges st pierre jan 31
21:41 < Mercster> i want to see that
22:00 <@mgalgoci> you want to see .
22:02 < Mercster> STOP THAT
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22:04 <@sdodson> i need better fonts
22:05 <@mgalgoci> I think  is a CJK font
22:05 <@sdodson> cjk?
22:05 <@mgalgoci> chinese japanese korean
22:06 <@mgalgoci> I have an assload of fonts installed in this laptop
22:08 <@sdodson> I'm pretty sure the font my terminal is using right now doesn't even handle multibyte characters
22:09 <+eryc> http://listoftheday.blogspot.com/2009/01/9-reasons-to-keep-your-kids-away-from.html
22:11 <@mgalgoci> jesus
22:11 <@sdodson> I like the rabbit train best.
22:14 <+eryc> http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/files/2009foia_mem_rel__2_.pdf
22:14 <+eryc> BARACK OBAMA
22:14 <+eryc> # # #
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22:15 <@barack> lol
22:15 < ware> lolmonkeypee
22:16 -!- ware is now known as obama
22:16 < obama> wow
22:16 <@barack> it's registered
22:16 <@barack> mine is
22:16 <@barack> lol his is rahter'
22:16 < obama> this one is too
22:16 -!- obama is now known as ware
22:16 <@barack> rather even
22:16 <@barack> lol
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22:16 <@mccain> lol so is this
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22:17 <@jb7od> godjall. ugh. bad night.
22:19 <@jb7od> so what would anybody think of an Intel Fast Ethernet 10/100 Ethernet Swich with fibers that you terminal and it doesn't give you any kind of prompt at all but works fine as a hub?
22:20 <@sdodson> paper weight?
22:20 <@jb7od> i know it's a piece of junk, granted.
22:20 <@Dagmar> I'd say someone reconfigured it incorrectly.
22:21 <@jb7od> ugh i don't want to flash it.
22:21 <@jb7od> i guess that's all i have left to do tho.
22:21 <@sdodson> How do you "terminal in"? How do you know that's working properly?
22:22 <@jb7od> console and log pass prompt, supposedly.
22:22 <@jb7od> console like cable, like hyperterminal over com
22:22 <@jb7od> db9 even
22:23 <@jb7od> i need to round up another cable before i go that far because i don't really have faith in this one
22:23 <@sdodson> Does it echo characters back?
22:23 <@jb7od> nope
22:23 <@jb7od> nothing
22:23 <@jb7od> cursor
22:23 <@sdodson> Ya, I'm suspecting the cable is not working as you think it is.
22:24 <@jb7od> i don't know if we agree or disagree based on that sentance, but check cable is next step.
22:24 <@Dagmar> You generally don't need anything but a straight serial cable to connect to the console port on those, so it'll be hard to muck up.
22:24 <@sdodson> When in doubt assume you and I disagree.
22:25 <@jb7od> sure. np.
22:27 <@Dagmar> Yay for mischievous freshmen
22:29 < ware> lolhacking
22:30 <@sdodson> http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2009/01/21/us/21obama5-600.jpg That's a pimping 1980s phone he's got
22:32 < ware> hehe oval office?
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22:52 <@Dagmar> Wow.  ABC News is *slamming* Bank of America over not actually refinancing anyone's mortgage, and running people through phone gauntlets for hours
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23:20 <+eryc> http://redstack.net/blog/index.php/2008/05/19/intelr-switches-backdoor.html
23:23 <+eryc> http://i.gizmodo.com/5136722/how-illegal-satellite-combated-the-censorship-of-obamas-speech-in-china
23:26 <+eryc> http://www.nctc.gov/docs/ct_calendar_2009.pdf
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