--- Log opened Tue Jan 20 00:00:22 2009
--- Day changed Tue Jan 20 2009
00:00 < ware> happy jan 20 2009 errybuddy
00:01 <@mgalgoci> you're an hour late slappy
00:01 <@unixfag> not here :)
00:02 < ware> cdt
00:03 <@mgalgoci> you mean CST
00:03 <@Peaches84> lol aww poor things rubs ware on the head
00:04 <@ShadowHntr> lol
00:05  * ShadowHntr scratches his head
00:05 <@mgalgoci> w00t
00:05 <@mgalgoci> evaporative cooling!
00:08 < ware> err CST yes
00:10 <+minerale> BREAKING: Bush issues blanket pardon to everyone involved in... Anyone else staying up late tonight scared this headline will appear any minute now?
00:10 <@mgalgoci> I hope karl rove gets raked over the coals
00:10 <@mgalgoci> assclown he is
00:13 < Mercster> why isnt anyone screaming for paul bremer's head
00:13 < Mercster> he's the real asshole
00:14 <+minerale> anyone here from Atlanta?
00:15 < Mercster> no
00:15 < Mercster> k, guys
00:15 < Mercster> srsly
00:15 < Mercster> i just took off my pants
00:17 <@Peaches84> is that suppost to be a threat
00:17  * unixfag blinks
00:17 < Mercster> no its just the naked truth
00:17 < Mercster> get it, naked
00:17  * unixfag notices the channel title
00:17 <@unixfag> mmm
00:17 <@Peaches84> lord
00:17 < Mercster> hahaha
00:18 < Mercster> Peaches84: SEE! i think your boyfriend set that
00:18 < Mercster> oh no, some other tool
00:18 < Mercster> n/m
00:18 < Mercster> im not trying to cast aspersions
00:18 < Mercster> have you ever farted and, after smelling it, wondered if you were dying inside
00:19 <@Peaches84> no he is passed out asleep on the counch
00:19 <@Peaches84> no
00:19 <@Peaches84> sorry cain't say that i have
00:19 < Mercster> well i do
00:19 < Mercster> all the time
00:19 <@Peaches84> lol
00:19 <@Peaches84> us gay guys love our tight spaces
00:21 < Mercster> sometimes my farts smell like there was a dying hyena with rabies and a yeast infection inside my ass, and when i wasnt paying attn it crawled out, vomited, laid down in it's own pool of vomit, and sat for awhile in the sun until it died of a heatstroke...then the corse just kept decaying in the pool of vomit, under the heat of the sun, and by some biological process became a sentient pile of filth that crawled BACK UP into my ass
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00:21 < Mercster> then farted inside me
00:21 < Mercster> and then i farted that fart out
00:21 < Mercster> know what i mean
00:22 < Mercster> i think its the beer
00:22 < confu> that was beautiful
00:22 < Mercster> thank you sir
00:22  * unixfag wonders why he read all that, then blames the ethanol
00:22 < Mercster> well, you're a unixfag, for one
00:22 < Mercster> maybe look in the mirror sometime eh, pal
00:23 < Mercster> INSTEAD OF JUDGING ME
00:23 <@Peaches84> lol
00:23 <@unixfag> <.<
00:24 < Mercster> Peaches84: see, you get it
00:24 < Mercster> Peaches84: you have a sense of humor
00:24 < Mercster> Peaches84: noone in this fucking channel GETS IT
00:24 < Mercster> so they take it out on me, cuz they suspect by some slight bit of intuition that im being more clever than they could ever muster on their best day
00:25 < Mercster> they insult me, kick me, bait me, goad me into wanting to punch them
00:25 < Mercster> but they dont get it
00:25 <@Peaches84> Mercster: where are you from
00:25 < Mercster> they're humorless shills
00:25 < Mercster> im from knoxville TN
00:25 <@Peaches84> thought so
00:25 < Mercster> OOH YEA
00:25 < Mercster> how did you thought so
00:26 <@Peaches84> i am still trying to get to learn where people are from i thought someone had told me that
00:26 < Mercster> ah, ok
00:26 <@Peaches84> yall get any snow
00:26 < Mercster> fuck yeah we did!
00:26 < Mercster> it snowed hard for a good few hours here
00:26 <@Peaches84> we had a very very very light dusting
00:26 < Mercster> off and on
00:26 < Mercster> well, yeah, we have very light dusting
00:26 < Mercster> ground was too warm to collect any really
00:26 < Mercster> but it was coming down hard
00:26 <@Peaches84> yeah its like 23 here now and just down right cold
00:27 < Mercster> yep
00:27 < Mercster> 21F
00:27 < Mercster> here
00:27 < Mercster> when it was snowing hardest it was like 35F
00:27 < Mercster> kinda surprised me
00:27 < Mercster> earlier today noon-4pm or so
00:27 <@Peaches84> mmm
00:27 <@Peaches84> did you go to pn
00:28  * unixfag is ready for 70 degree weather, even if it takes absurd levels of global warming
00:28 < Mercster> unixfag: im with ya dude
00:28 < Mercster> i do not like cold
00:28 < Mercster> id be happy if it was 80F all year round
00:28 < Mercster> Peaches84: yes, i went to the last phreaknic
00:28 <@unixfag> i NEED to clay bar the winter crap off my car :-/
00:28 < Mercster> unixfag: fun fun
00:28 <@Peaches84> lol
00:29 <@Peaches84> i go for school orientation today
00:31 <@Peaches84> really?
00:31 <@Peaches84>  ya
00:31 <@Peaches84> what for ?
00:31 <@unixfag> Mercster, you come to any cons?
00:31 <@Peaches84> ba in business admin
00:32 < Mercster> Peaches84: nice
00:32 <@Peaches84> thanks
00:32 < Mercster> unixfag: no, i was at the last phreaknic
00:32 < Mercster> thats all
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00:32 < Mercster> Peaches84: it sounded weird, school orientation, i was afraid Corydon was holding a 3rd grader hostage
00:32 < Mercster> so i didnt ask
00:33 <@Peaches84> lol
00:33 <@Peaches84> no i am going to college
00:33 < Mercster> well, good luck with all that
00:33 < Mercster> i flunked out of college
00:33 <@Peaches84> aww well thanks
00:36  * unixfag flunked out of college as well
00:37 <@Peaches84> aww
00:37  * mgalgoci got a job and stopped going
00:37 <@mgalgoci> formatting little girls hard drives
00:37 <@unixfag> kinky
00:37 <@Peaches84> lol
00:38 <@mgalgoci> ask merc
00:38 <@unixfag> oh my
00:39 <@mgalgoci> I'm famous
00:40 <@unixfag> so, as indicate by my typing alot, I'm too drunk for SVN... how do I remove something from the repo but leave it in my working copy? :-/
00:40 <@mgalgoci> just back away from the keyboard and wait until you are sober
00:40 <@Peaches84> aww poor thing peaches rubs unixfag on the head
00:40 <@unixfag> unfortunately, sobriety will come much after this needs to be done
00:41 < cwire> you can't be too sober, there's an optimal blood alcohol level for optimal coding
00:42 < cwire> http://xkcd.com/323/ ;)
00:42 <@unixfag> nice
00:43 <@sasquatc4> heh, i remmember talkin to a prof that wrote my comp architecture book, apparently he wrote one of his most famous papers by sitting down with a bottle of scotch, and when the bottle was done so was the paper
00:43 <@unixfag> oh, Windows ME
00:43 <@mgalgoci> release the hounds
00:44 < cwire> i did that with my final paper for a class last semester
00:44 < cwire> but it was rum not scotch for me
00:45 <@sasquatc4> hehe
00:47 <@unixfag> fuck old charter for ditching their 12 year :(
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01:04 <@mgalgoci> [>....................]  recovery =  1.7% (12539264/732571904) finish=192.9min speed=62189K/sec
01:04  * mgalgoci weaps
01:07 < Mercster> yaaaay
01:10 <@unixfag> lol
01:13 <@mgalgoci> if I had one more disk I could do raid10 with btrfs
01:13 < Mercster> oh mgalgoci
01:13 < Mercster> it's 'weeps' you fuckin moron
01:13 <@mgalgoci> but I've only got three disks and there's no raid5 algorithm
01:13 <@mgalgoci> YOU SHUT THE FUCK UP
01:13 < Mercster> :(
01:13 <@mgalgoci> I guess I could have used a larger chunk size
01:14 < Mercster> bchunk
01:14 < Mercster> what is that, ext3?
01:15 <@mgalgoci> software raid5
01:15 < Mercster> oh
01:15 <@mgalgoci> no fs yet
01:15 < Mercster> lol @ you
01:15 <@mgalgoci> I'm going to put btrfs on top of raid5
01:16 < Mercster> you nut
01:16 < Mercster> never trust anything that comes out of oracle
01:16 < Mercster> NEVER
01:17 < Mercster> well, except the db
01:17 <@mgalgoci> we have at least two people working on btrfs full time
01:18 < Mercster> no shit
01:18 < Mercster> hm
01:18 < Mercster> mgalgoci: still it'll only be for oracle installs
01:18 < Mercster> which, granted, is a huge install base
01:19 <@mgalgoci> you are thinking of ocfs
01:19 <@mgalgoci> it won't
01:19 < Mercster> no, no, im not
01:19 <@mgalgoci> it'll be defacto linux fs in two years
01:19 < Mercster> redhat is thinking btrfs > ext4?
01:19 <@mgalgoci> ext4 is a stepping stone
01:19 <@mgalgoci> so yeah
01:19 < Mercster> i honestly dont know wtf so, im just blathering
01:19 < Mercster> but
01:19 < Mercster> that's surprising, i guess
01:20 <+minerale> what's wrong with zfs -- why was btrfs created?
01:20 < Mercster> i recognize the benefits of btrfs on paper, but, lots of fs have been better on paper than ext
01:20 < Mercster> xfs, reiserfs
01:20 < Mercster> they come and go
01:20 <+minerale> oh, by oracle, sweet
01:20 < Mercster> ext usually edges out in practicality
01:21 < Mercster> iirc btrfs is compatible tho
01:21 < Mercster> so ah
01:21 < Mercster> WHATEVER
01:21 < Mercster> WHAT
01:21 < Mercster> EVEEER
01:21  * Mercster eats cheesefries with long nails
01:22 < Mercster> minerale: remember that mgalgoci is a cablemonkey with lady-laptop rights
01:22 < Mercster> he may be blowing smoke
01:23 <@mgalgoci> the licensing for zfs was not palatable
01:23 < Mercster> "yeeeaaah, matt, we're gonna need you to reprovision this subnet and ahhh...the new sales intern is having problem with excel, format her harddrive and oh...ummm....btrfs is the new linux FS, install it on your desktop"
01:24 < Mercster> ISNT THAT TRUE MATT
01:24 < Mercster> yeeeaaaaaaah
01:24 <@mgalgoci> I don't do helpdesk
01:24 < Mercster> aaaaaaaahahahahah
01:24 <@mgalgoci> not anymore fucko
01:24 < Mercster> build engineer?
01:24 <@mgalgoci> network engineer
01:24 < Mercster> k
01:24 < Mercster> i aint crackin
01:24 <@mgalgoci> loadbalancers and firewalls
01:25 < Mercster> im just fuckin with ya
01:25 < Mercster> k
01:28 < Mercster> but if i had a million dollarz
01:28 <@mgalgoci> you'd buy a flying car
01:28 < Mercster> id buy a brewery, an turn tha world into alcoholikz
01:28 < Mercster> if i had magic wand..
01:28 <@mgalgoci> I'd do two chicks at the same time
01:29 < Mercster> id make tha world suck mah dick wit'out a condom on
01:29 < Mercster> while i wuz on tha john
01:29 < Mercster> if i had a billion bucks
01:29 < Mercster> it wouldnt be enough, cuz id still be out ROBBIN ARMORED TRUCKZ
01:29 < Mercster> if i had one wish...
01:29 < Mercster> i would aks for a big enough ass
01:29 < Mercster> FOR THA WHOLE WORLD TA KISS
01:45 <@ShadowHntr> zfs and xfs ftw :)
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05:59 <@cerkit> *yawn*
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07:11 <@sdodson> damn, that's real snow!
07:11 <@Shadow404> yeah, flurried a little in powder springs last night
07:11 <@Shadow404> got a tiny it of accumalation
07:12 <@Shadow404> 20.7f at home
07:14 <@Shadow404> whats the best thing other than water to have for a weak stomach?
07:15 <@brimstone> aren't clear sodas suppose to help?
07:15 <@brimstone> sprite and whatnot?
07:15 <@Shadow404> hmm, so sprite?
07:15 <@Shadow404> ok, well, ill go get some sprite from the company soda fountain, yeah for free caffiene
07:16 <@brimstone> also, i think ginger
07:16 <@brimstone> but i'm not sure
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07:18 <@Shadow404> ok, i just realized how much i dispised sprite
07:19 <@Shadow404> but oh well, better than stomach being bitchy all morning
07:19 <@brimstone> yeah, teh google says ginger is good too
07:19 <@Shadow404> heh, both of our coffee machines broke in the sales dept, gonna be a lot of angry sales teams this morning
07:19 <@brimstone> company wide memo about it yet?
07:20 <@Shadow404> they will have to venture into engineering to get a pot
07:20 <@Shadow404> yep
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07:20 <@brimstone> lol, company wide memos about coffee machines are silly
07:20 <@Shadow404> and the engineering people dont like ot share
07:20 <@Shadow404> they setup those usb missle launchers last time this happened
07:20 <@Shadow404> and fired it at random non-engineering teams
07:21 <@Shadow404> when they got a cup of coffee
07:21 <@Shadow404> all good fun, but its halarious to watch from the noc
07:22 <@Shadow404> heh, engineering just replied to the memo saying "We have ze mizzles, and we are prezared to zire!!!"
07:23 <@Shadow404> i lawled
07:33 <@sdodson> I've heard sprite but stir it until bht bubbles have died down
07:34 <@Shadow404> ah, fortunately the machine was a tad low on co2, so it was a bit flat to begin with
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07:41 < TheLightCosine> rawqr nothin like playin a little civ4 at werk heh
07:50 <@polerin> glee
07:51 <@polerin> fucktard is almost gone :D
07:51  * polerin dances
07:52 <@m0j0-j0j0> polerin: Mercster isn't even here
07:52 <@m0j0-j0j0> oh.. there he is..nm
07:54 <@m0j0-j0j0> polerin: did you ever look at that art thing for the CC5 shirt?
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08:02 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
08:03 <@Drag0n`> same to you p|mp and j0hn
08:04 < ware> wutup pimpz
08:04  * ware is waitin at the house for the caravan
08:04 < ware> then off to the airport!
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08:07 < emwav> Curbob, what's up dude
08:08 < Curbob> hey!
08:10 < emwav> we finally got snow in Raleigh!!
08:10 <@polerin> m0j0-j0j0: I did, I don't know that I'm fast enough to do what you need :P
08:10 < Curbob> funny
08:10 <@polerin> or have enough time
08:10 < emwav> working from home today. it's great
08:10  * polerin is watching cspan
08:11  * Curbob forgot today's that president thing
08:11 <@m0j0-j0j0> polerin: thanks ;)
08:11 <@brimstone> what's with all these Raleigh blokes in here?
08:11 <@brimstone> it's like sdodson's building his own botnet
08:12 < emwav> hahaa
08:12 < emwav> we're all working from home today
08:12 <@m0j0-j0j0> emwav: nod
08:12 < emwav> a lil' bit of snow and raleigh shuts down. it's great
08:13 < Curbob> same in ATL
08:13 < emwav> do ya'll have snow down there?
08:13 <@polerin> I'm always working from home
08:13 < Curbob> nope, not this time
08:13 < emwav> looks like it's cold enough. weather.com is saying it's 24 F
08:14 < emwav> that's chilly
08:14 <@m0j0-j0j0> I used to work from home alot... but now its all meetings so...
08:14 < Curbob> yeh freakin cold this morning, i dont think i moved far enough south!
08:14 < emwav> mmmmm chili
08:15 < emwav> haha,  yea but if you hit florida it's like a sweat box in the summer
08:15 < Curbob> but i have AC and really who goes outside any more ;)
08:16 <@Drag0n`> move to panama, between 70-95 all year round
08:16 <@critch> I go outside a lot in the spring, summer, and fall
08:16 < Curbob> i wanna go!
08:16 < Curbob> ok i better do some work.. bbl
08:17 <@Drag0n`> i spent a year there, loved the country, as long as you stay away from the canal zone
08:17 < emwav> yea, i gotta get some stuff done too or they'll make me drive into work
08:17 < emwav> see ya'll later
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08:18 < ware> flying on inaguration day ftl
08:20 < ware> http://inaugural.senate.gov/index.cfm
08:20 < ware> http://lifehacker.com/5132476/lifehackers-guide-to-catching-the-inauguration-from-anywhere
08:21 <@Dolemite> ware : Whyfore are you flying to NY today?
08:22 < ware> hopefully not to end up in the hudson becuz of terrarist geese!
08:22 < ware> data center move
08:22 <@critch> Dolemite: it is ware, he wants to be sexxed up by TSA employees, and this is the best day to try
08:23 <@polerin> Bush. Will. Be. Gone.
08:23 <@polerin> gods, I'm over here chairdancing
08:23 <@Shadow404> and so will our money, weeee
08:23 <@Shadow404> hello more taxes, goodbye our money
08:24 <@Dolemite> Shadow404 : You really do buy into the right wing agenda hook, line and sinker, don't you?
08:24 <@polerin> Shadow404: have you .. uhm actually looked at what obama is suggesting?
08:24 < ware> critch: im not even gonna mention blowing my nose for fear of some fucktard thinking im going to blow something up
08:24 <@polerin> not to mention what the right has done to us?
08:24 <@polerin> :P
08:24 <@Shadow404> what politics say and do are two completely seperate issue
08:24 <@Shadow404> let us just wait and see
08:24 <@Shadow404> thats all im saying
08:24 <@Dolemite> Clinton left office with a budget surplus that we were using to pay down our debt.  Bush immediately erased that debt and cut taxes so that we could go further into debt.
08:24 <@polerin> Shadow404: no, the stimulus plan he's suggesting
08:24 <@Dolemite> er, Bush erased the surplus
08:25 <@Shadow404> just wait and see
08:26 <@polerin> Shadow404: All I'm saying is if you think bush has made you wealthier, you've likely wrong :P
08:26 <@Dolemite> But we're already spiraling down to hell in a handbasket with Bush's failed policies.  It takes a while to change the angle of attack on a 747.
08:27 <@critch> umm, what the hell, Chrysler and Fiat getting together, now we will have all kinds of fail.
08:28 <@Drag0n`> what do you mean "will have"
08:29 <@Shadow404> i fucking hate bush polerin, im glad hes gone
08:29 <@Shadow404> but i dont have any aspirations for obama, thats for sure
08:29 <@Shadow404> im just saying wait and see
08:30 <@polerin> I don't think he's perfect, but to be honest I think he might be what the country needs right now..
08:30 <@polerin> whatever the right wing says, he's actually more of a centrist
08:31 <@polerin> and from what I've seen is making definite moves towards actually working with people and trying to get things done
08:31 <@polerin> which is a marked change
08:36 <@m0j0-j0j0> we dont need change for the sake of change... we need the right changes
08:37  * Shadow404 applauds m0j0-j0j0 
08:38 <@m0j0-j0j0> I think that BO is going to have a hard time meeting the expectation.. but I think he'll do better than GWB
08:39 <@m0j0-j0j0> bbiaf
08:39 <@Dolemite> I think that for once in my lifetime we have someone heading into the highest office that has a true concern for the common people.  I'm not holding any illusions that he doesn't also have concern for the people with money, but I think he truly is an advocate for the common man.
08:49 < AstralSin> i hope you're right
08:50  * AstralSin is sick :(
08:50 < AstralSin> 101 fever
08:53 <@sdodson> brimstone: Raleigh is going to rise up!
08:54 < ware> YEAH!
09:00 <@m0j0-j0j0> sdodson: after we arent getting held down by snow
09:00 <@someninjamaster> so who else listend to the soviet unions anthem this morning
09:03 <@polerin> really, obama is an authoritarian?
09:03 <@polerin> compared to what the last 8 years has brought us?
09:05 <@someninjamaster> if you look at most of his plans they are totally commie
09:05 <@m0j0-j0j0> I don't think Bush was intentionally a bad pres.  I think that he has a social blind spot.  if everyone was him he would have been great
09:05 < TheLightCosine> lol
09:06 < TheLightCosine> rebalancing a system that has allowed 1-2% of the population to live off the sweat of the other 98% is not communist
09:06 <@m0j0-j0j0> TheLightCosine: yeah it is
09:06 <@someninjamaster> TheLightCosine wealth redistribution is communist no matter how you look at it
09:06 <@m0j0-j0j0> but everyone thinks that communism is evil
09:06 <@polerin> someninjamaster: actually wealth redistribution is a capitalist thing too
09:07 <@polerin> just from the bottom to the top
09:07 < TheLightCosine> indeed
09:07 <@critch> "wealth redistribution" is a broken term
09:07 < TheLightCosine> it's more of a controlled market economy instead of free market is all
09:07 < TheLightCosine> and also, that's not how communism works
09:07 <@someninjamaster> when you start taking money from one group of people and giving it to another group
09:07 < TheLightCosine> not real communism
09:07 <@someninjamaster> that the majority are too lazy to work
09:07 <@polerin> someninjamaster: yeah, that's what tax cuts for the rich are
09:07 < TheLightCosine> you betetr check again if you think the soviet union was a communsit state
09:08 < TheLightCosine> oh please, everybody without a job is just too lazy to work hunh?
09:08 <@polerin> not to mention, most of his plans aren't communist
09:08 <@someninjamaster> my parents work an 80 hour work week
09:08 < TheLightCosine> \like the 200,000 people at&t layed off, those lazy bastards
09:08 <@someninjamaster> and are paying almost 50% in taxes
09:08 <@polerin> and the last two and a half decades of de-regulation has fucked us
09:08 <@polerin> that's why shit's broken now
09:09 <@critch> someninjamaster: if they are truely paying 50% in taxes, their accountant is fucking them
09:09 <@Dolemite> The Union of Soviet SOCIALIST Republics...   hrmm. nope, don't see 'communist' in there anyway.
09:09 <@Dolemite> er, anywhere
09:09 < TheLightCosine> to quote jon stewart "now is not the time to be experimenting with socialism. now is the time to keep doing the same thing that hasn't worked for over twenty years!"
09:09 < TheLightCosine> lennin-ism/stalinism isn't even really socialism
09:09 <@someninjamaster> has socialism ever really worked
09:10 < TheLightCosine> it's a facist perversion of socialism
09:10 <@someninjamaster> in the long run
09:10 < TheLightCosine> socialism has never really been attempted
09:10 <@Dolemite> Actually, socialism, or at least partial socialism, works pretty well in Canada and the EU.
09:10 <@someninjamaster> Dolemite: have you ever been to a canadian hospital
09:11 <@Dolemite> Nope, nor have I been to an EU hospital.
09:11 <@someninjamaster> your quality of  healthcare slips greatly
09:11 <@someninjamaster> and on top of that you have huge waiting lists for surgery
09:11 < TheLightCosine> actually that's not neccisarily true
09:11 < TheLightCosine> a lot of that is propaganda
09:11 <@Dolemite> Well you do realize that private insurance is still available in those countries, right?  You still have a choice as to where you go, there is just a safety net at the bottom.
09:11 <@polerin> someninjamaster: funny that, most of my canadian friends don't think so
09:12 <@someninjamaster> i know the propagand from my eyes
09:12 <@someninjamaster> when i was in canada i wasnt impressed at all
09:12 < TheLightCosine> have you been to a hospital in the UK some?
09:12 <@someninjamaster> i avoid the uk
09:12 < TheLightCosine> and further to the point here's my question for you
09:12 < TheLightCosine> what good is the ebst hospital in the world if you can't afford to go there?
09:13 <@someninjamaster> thats why i work hard to go ther
09:13 <@someninjamaster> to the best hospital
09:14 <@someninjamaster> and have health insurance
09:14 < TheLightCosine> and one serious medical emergency and you're in serious financial straights for a long time
09:14 < TheLightCosine> congratulations, you are one of only 60% of the population that has insurance
09:14 <@someninjamaster> w00t
09:15 < TheLightCosine> of that 60% only about half of them have adequate coverage
09:15 <@polerin> someninjamaster: what use is the best hospital in the world if you can't afford .. you realize you're arguing against yourself right
09:15 <@Dolemite> even with insurance a major event can bankrupt you
09:15 <@polerin> someninjamaster: I work 80+ hours a fucking week too
09:15 <@polerin> and have no health insurance
09:15 <@someninjamaster> light where im from i see alot of people abusing the system
09:15 < TheLightCosine> yup Dole
09:15 < TheLightCosine> i know firsthand
09:15 <@polerin> I'm running out of pills, and I've been putting off my $500-800 bloodwork for over a year now
09:15 < TheLightCosine> but obviously it msut be my fault
09:15 < TheLightCosine> i am lazy and don't work hard enough
09:15 <@polerin> so kiss my ass about "best hospital"
09:16 <@polerin> and not afford to go
09:16 <@polerin> I'll take a good hospital and actually being able to afford normal checkups
09:16 <@polerin> I'm healthy luckily, but I'm still uninsurable because of societies dislike for who I am.
09:16 <@polerin> so fuck that.
09:18 <@Dolemite> polerin : You are not uninsurable because of societies dislike for who you are.  Insurance companies are a business and they don't give a rat's ass about your choices in life, unless they put you into a group that becomes unprofitable.  That's why you don't have insurance.
09:19 < TheLightCosine> dole, and what about a diabetic?
09:19 <@polerin> Dolemite: actually, even the plans that exclude all the things that relate to trans still exclude me because of it
09:19 < TheLightCosine> they didn't chose being diabetic, but they are uninsurable
09:20 <@someninjamaster> i have a ton of workers that are insured and diabetic
09:20 <@someninjamaster> 25% of my workers are
09:20 < TheLightCosine> ask them how easy it is for them to get coverage sometime
09:20 < TheLightCosine> "pre-existing condition"
09:20 <@Dolemite> Plus many insurance plans do not have exclusions for pre-existing conditions, they only exclude certain procedures/conditions
09:21 <@someninjamaster> they dont have to we provide it
09:21 <@polerin> and there are lots of plans that have it
09:21 <@Corydon76-dig> preexisting conditions are only excluded for the first X months of coverage
09:21 <@polerin> someninjamaster: you're able to get group coverage
09:21 <@Dolemite> TheLightCosine : That case is where their employer has made the choice to go with a cheaper insurance plan that does have pre-existing condition clauses.  There are plans available without such.
09:22 < TheLightCosine> and how much more do those plans cost?
09:22 <@Dolemite> It's all about business.  Insurance is a form of socialism, by the way, someninjamaster.
09:22 <@Dolemite> TheLightCosine : Depends on how many are in the 'class'.  It all works on the theory of spreading the total cost out among the entire class and allowing profit to the insurer.
09:23 <@someninjamaster> we are paying like 21,000 a month for 33 people
09:23 <@Dolemite> then there are companies that 'self insure' where they have a company like Blue Cross/Blue Shield simply administer all of the paperwork
09:23 <@polerin> someninjamaster: that's group coverage, I can't get that
09:23 <@Corydon76-dig> Yeah, but medical insurance is one of the most distorted forms of insurance.
09:24 <@Corydon76-dig> Most insurance covers you in case of things going REALLY bad and the little stuff you have to pick up yourself.  Medical insurance is the exact opposite
09:25 <@Dolemite> that's why medical insurance is so expensive
09:27 <@Dolemite> I pay about $800/year for my home to be insured.  I pay about half that every month for medical insurance - and that's just my part, and before the out of pocket portions.
09:28 <@polerin> someninjamaster: not to mention, serious illness or medical incidents are the most common causes of bankrupcy
09:29 <@polerin> someninjamaster: so unless you've got a fat wad to sit on, if you get seriously ill, that awesome insurance you had will just dissapear
09:29 <@someninjamaster> not if its provide through our insurance
09:29 <@someninjamaster> we have had 2 guys with strokes
09:30 <@someninjamaster> 1 guy had a heart attack
09:30 <@someninjamaster> and another guy with cancer
09:30 <@someninjamaster> and they never lost their coverage
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09:30 <@polerin> and you think that most insurance is that good? :P
09:30 <@polerin> and did they continue to work/
09:31 <@polerin> because if it's something that puts you out of work for awhile, then it is seriously risky to your insurance
09:31 <@someninjamaster> yes to the 2 strokes
09:31 <@someninjamaster> and no for the guy with cancer
09:31 <@someninjamaster> well he ended up dead within 8 weeks
09:31 <@someninjamaster> so he was still employeed when he died
09:32 < TheLightCosine> someninjamaster: My daughter had to spend a month at Vandy, because of her heart problems, despite having a "good insurance" policy we still owe thousands and thousands of dollars
09:32 < TheLightCosine> for god's sake we owe out of our pcket ~3000 just for "room and Board"
09:33 < TheLightCosine> I could spend a week in fucking disneyland for that much money
09:33 <@m0j0-j0j0> I think they should come up with robots to address human health concerns
09:33 <@someninjamaster> thats up to the japanese
09:34 <@Dolemite> It's the long, drawn out health conditions that bankrupt most people
09:34 <@someninjamaster> with their crazy upside down pop pyramid
09:34 <@m0j0-j0j0> robots
09:34 <@m0j0-j0j0> robots don't care how long it takes
09:34 <@m0j0-j0j0> they don't have a tee time
09:35 <@m0j0-j0j0> and they aren't really up for salary reviews yet
09:35 < TheLightCosine> m0j0-j0j0: yeah but would you really want a physical from a robot "Turn your head and cough.." "HOLY SHIT that's cold!"
09:35 < TheLightCosine> =P
09:35 <@m0j0-j0j0> :)
09:35 <@polerin> TheLightCosine: they would have built in "hand" warmers
09:35 <@polerin> ;p
09:35 <@m0j0-j0j0> hahaha
09:36 < TheLightCosine> lol
09:36 < TheLightCosine> okay, what about a colonoscopy
09:36 < TheLightCosine> robots don't udnerstand 'gentle' =P
09:36 <@m0j0-j0j0> they could
09:37 <@Dolemite> TheLightCosine : Um, proctologists don't understand that, either.
09:37 <@polerin> lol
09:37 <@Dolemite> And let me tell you something, the urologists don't either.
09:38 <@m0j0-j0j0> Dolemite: word
09:39 <@m0j0-j0j0> Dolemite: and they don't like it when you say "um.. no.. things don't go IN that hole"
09:39 < TheLightCosine> never had to see a eurologist thank god
09:39 < TheLightCosine> but i've been 'swabbed' before
09:39 <@Dolemite> They do have lube warmers at the clinics, now.  Instead of getting cold lubricated fingers up your contraption you get warm lubricated fingers up your contraption.
09:40 <@Dolemite> Well I've only seen a urologist for my vasectomy.
09:40 <@Dolemite> $15 co-pay and no more young'uns!
09:40 <@Dolemite> but *damn* that shit hurt for 2 weeks
09:41 < TheLightCosine> man i justy dun think i could do that
09:41 <@m0j0-j0j0> yeah.. they say 2 weeks is about average
09:41 <@Dolemite> TheLightCosine : Having another kid would hurt worse.  lol
09:42 < TheLightCosine> point taken
09:42 <@m0j0-j0j0> that hurts for about 18 years
09:42 < TheLightCosine> we are pursuing oither avenues of control
09:44 <@m0j0-j0j0> TheLightCosine: rubbers really do fail...trust me
09:45 <@Dolemite> well the thing is that they send you home with instructions to basically sit on your ass for a day.  If they only told you to do that for a full week the recovery would be much faster.
09:45 <@Dolemite> It was a direct result of me moving around more that caused me to hurt longer.
09:47 <@Dolemite> 3 days after my surgery my wife had me installing an electrical outlet and a shelf.
09:47 <@Dolemite> I felt that for a few days more.
09:48 <@m0j0-j0j0> my dad had a V after me :)
09:48 <@m0j0-j0j0> well.. after my teenage years
09:49 <@m0j0-j0j0> it was "not worth the risk"
09:49 <@Dolemite> 3.0.8 patch is live on WoW today
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10:08 < TheLightCosine> poor little WoW addicts
10:08 < TheLightCosine> i was once like you
10:08 < TheLightCosine> but now i am FREE!
10:14 <@m0j0-j0j0> http://cheapdailydeal.com/long-distance-green-laser-pointer.html
10:17 <@tzanger> blah, they won't ship to canuckistan
10:18 <@brimstone> http://cheapdailydeal.com/practice-ninja-equipment.html
10:18 <@brimstone> screw the laser pointer
10:19 <@nachoguy> 5mw?  that's pretty weak
10:20 <@nachoguy> it's the cheapest I've seen a green laser, but it's still fairly worthless unless it's super dark
10:20 <@nachoguy> you need one like Corydons
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10:22 <@brimstone> we all need ones like Corydon76-dig's
10:23 <@poiupoiu> blind hookers for everyone!
10:24 <@Corydon76-dig> No, you need one about 5 times stronger than mine
10:24 <@Evilpig> damnit. I went to message someone and did /w  stupid wow
10:24 <@Corydon76-dig> You need a 250mw, not a 50mw
10:24 <@Corydon76-dig> Then you can hit the moon
10:25 <@Corydon76-dig> (and set things on fire)
10:25 <@nachoguy> moon, laser?  Excellent!
10:25 <@nachoguy> yeah, but how much does a 250 mw laser cost?
10:25 <@nachoguy> aren't those the $700 ones?
10:28 <@rhia> Corydon76-dig: but the real question is, can they set things on fire on the moon?
10:28 <@brimstone> if you're on the moon, then yes!
10:28 < Mercster> OH! bama
10:29 <@Evilpig> who all in here has done video capturing in linux and can suggest a well supported card for security type cameras
10:30 <@nachoguy> Pig, is this a new infrastructure, or are you retro fitting something?
10:31 <@Evilpig> one of our project management guys came to me wanting a cheaper option than an off the shelf dvr system and I was shown zoneminder a while ago so I am showing him that.  but he has a mix of hard wired cameras and ip cameras
10:32 <@nachoguy> ah, depending upon the number of hardwired cameras (and the tech they use), maybe you could bastardize a myth setup
10:37 <@Evilpig> this site was linked as a hardware seller off of zoneminder's site http://store.bluecherry.net/category_s/63.htm
10:38 <@rhia> "Cheney was injured a 'freak box moving accident'"  - time to adjust the sound down again
10:40 <@polerin> lol
10:40 <@polerin> yeah
10:40 <@polerin> moving out
10:40 <@polerin> XD
10:41 <@polerin> here he comes.
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10:41 <@Neoteric> OBAMA
10:41 <@Neoteric> OBAMA
10:42 <@Neoteric> OBAMA
10:42 < Mercster> Neoteric: mail your thoughts to THEMOMENT@cnn.com
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10:42 <@m0j0-j0j0> troll
10:42 <@Dolemite> We are using 93% of our 1Gbps I1 bandwidth at the moment due to the inauguration watchers.
10:43 <@brimstone> we're using more bandwidth then normal too
10:43 <@nachoguy> wow
10:43 <@rhia> polerin: wow, look at ll the US flags!  Must mean there's a whole lot of republicans there, eh?  <G>
10:43 <@Neoteric> cell phone carriers are crashing around here
10:43 <@polerin> lol
10:43 <@polerin> Neoteric: yeah I've heard
10:43 <@polerin> lol
10:43 <@nachoguy> we're using about the same.  Lazy ass developers don't bother showing up until noon anyway
10:43 <@Neoteric> BARACK H. OBAMA!
10:43 <@brimstone> "never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups"
10:43 < Mercster> haha
10:43 < Mercster> (h)
10:44 < Mercster> *cough*h*cough*
10:44 <@Neoteric> OBAMA!
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10:44 <@nachoguy> haha
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10:45 <@nachoguy> brimstone ++
10:46 <@Corydon76-dig> Hah!  NPR is broadcasting live.  MSNBC has a 10 second delay
10:47 <@rhia> Corydon76-dig: that's to allow for Matthews and Olbermann being on the mikes
10:47 <@Neoteric> i love the random crowd whoops
10:47  * polerin is watching cspan
10:48 <@Corydon76-dig> CNN only has a 5 second delay
10:48  * m0j0-j0j0 is watching ToolAcadamy 
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10:49 <@Corydon76-dig> m0j0-j0j0: is that porn?
10:49 <@brimstone> spoilers: bush leaves the whitehouse
10:50 <@rhia> i want to hear an humanistic atheist give the inaugural 'prayer'
10:50 < Mercster> wont happen
10:50 < Mercster> evaaaaa
10:50 <@Neoteric> biden looks cold
10:50 < TheLightCosine> rhia: how about a UU?
10:51 < Mercster> this jackass paused a prayer for applause tho, which im not sure ive ever heard before
10:51 <@m0j0-j0j0> Corydon76-dig: no, it's this reality thing where a bunch of guys get chewed out on a daily basis by the girl friends that theyve been cheating on
10:51 <@rhia> TLC that'd work for starters, but not the same thing
10:51 < TheLightCosine> "Bless us oh great generic female creator spirit!"
10:51 < TheLightCosine> =P
10:52 < TheLightCosine> yeah i know,. i grew up in an area that was strangely thick with Unitarians
10:52 < Mercster> yahshua
10:53 <@m0j0-j0j0> god bless satan
10:53 <@rhia> m0j0-j0j0: that's still a spin off abrahamic religion
10:54 <@polerin> TheLightCosine: lol I grew up a UU
10:54 <@rhia> if they have to have gawd mentioned, would the Great Spirit work?  at least he's a local
10:54 < TheLightCosine> heh
10:55 < TheLightCosine> i actually rather like the UU approach, i just have ahrd time seeing it gonig voer at a big event heh
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10:57 <@Evilpig> the brits are funny  http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7624825.stm
10:59 <@polerin> BIDEN is VEEEEP
10:59 < Mercster> polerin: actually i heard on the news, they're pres/vice pres at 12:00 noon regardless of the swearing in
10:59 <@Neoteric> Mercster: no
11:00 <@Neoteric> Mercster: he's president after he says the oath of office
11:00 < Mercster> Neoteric: thats what tv said, and tv is always right
11:00 < TheLightCosine> Mercster	Neoteric: thats what tv said, and tv is always right <it may have been meant sarcastically but i still think that sums mercster up =P
11:01 <@Evilpig> I don't think you can be pres until you say the oath.  that is what makes you pres after all
11:02 <@Neoteric> i swear (or affirm) to defend the constitution of the united states?
11:02 <@Neoteric> and BAM
11:02 <@Evilpig> that is why everyone is watching isn't it?
11:02 < Mercster> The 20th Amendment moves the date of inauguration from March to "noon on the 20th day of January."  Under the Constitution, the old president continues to hold full power through 11:59:59, and then power shifts at noon.  Article II, Section 1 requires that the new president, before executing any duties, take a prescribed oath or affirmation.  To avoid a constitutional power vacuum, the Inauguration Day program is certain to schedule the
11:02 < Mercster> http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/Ftrials/conlaw/inaugurationconstit.html
11:02 < Mercster> "before executing any duties"
11:03 <@Neoteric> Mercster: that's what i said
11:03 < Mercster> no, no you didnt
11:03 < Mercster> you said he isnt president till the oath is said
11:04 <@Neoteric> oh i see
11:04 <@Neoteric> okay i'm wrong
11:04 < Mercster> so now i have both tv and the internet on my side, which makes my position unassailable
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11:05 < Mercster> THE MOMENT
11:05 <@rhia> Neoteric: actually, yes and no - Pres INO until the oath, titular not functional
11:05 <@Evilpig> did they just put him on a box?
11:05 < Mercster> eh see he's already fucking shit up
11:08 <@Evilpig> "I thank president bush for fucking shit up so badly that I will look good if I stab a hooker int he face in the oval office"
11:08 < TheLightCosine> lol
11:09 <@polerin> heh
11:11 < TheLightCosine> i still think we would have been better off with cthulu
11:11 <@polerin> wait
11:11 <@polerin> did he just call bush childish
11:11 <@polerin> !
11:11 <@polerin> HAHAHAHA
11:11 < TheLightCosine> ?!
11:11 < TheLightCosine> man now i wish i was watching
11:11 <@polerin> put aside childish things
11:11 <@polerin> ahhaha
11:12 <@Evilpig> I posted teh bbc link
11:12 <@Evilpig> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7624825.stm
11:13 < TheLightCosine> it says the content is nt working
11:13 <@Evilpig> you on *nix?
11:13 <@Neoteric> NO MORE DUST
11:14 < Mercster> polerin: tubez
11:14 < TheLightCosine> i got it now
11:14 <@nachoguy> Dust?
11:14 < Mercster> er, tubez
11:14  * unixfg is streaming a whopping 32kbps feed from shoutcast
11:15 < TheLightCosine> you know watching this feed gives me pause
11:15 < TheLightCosine> it makes me think how truly an amazing it is
11:16 < TheLightCosine> because i can remember when gif animations on a webpage used to bog it down so horribbbbly bad lol!
11:16 <@Shadow404> dude, nothing we can do here, the wholke internet is slowing down
11:16 <@Shadow404> to many people streaming all at once
11:17 <@Shadow404> numbers are high across the board, http://www.internetpulse.net/
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11:20 < Mercster> the streets will run red with the blood of the unbelievers
11:20 < TheLightCosine> those numbers don't look that bad
11:21 <@Shadow404> usually in the 20's TheLightCosine
11:23 < Mercster> when the levees break, i have no place to stay
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11:23 < TheLightCosine> hrm, he sounds rather like a minister
11:24 <@Evilpig> duh?
11:24 <@Catonic> omg teh, intarwebs are dieing!
11:24 < TheLightCosine> his cadence reminds me of the minister at my church when i was a kid
11:24 <@Shadow404> oh shit, verizon is really getting hammered
11:24 < TheLightCosine> heh verizon is getting the piss beat out of it
11:25 <@Shadow404> yeah, they gotta a lot of shit in the wdc area
11:25 <@Shadow404> stuff is holding together, i can say that, but its chugging slowly
11:25 <@Catonic> pretty bad when you can't get to a company's homepage because they are streaming the intarwebs
11:25 <@Evilpig> I would laugh my ass off if he ends this but throwing his fist in the air and yelling out something like black pride!
11:25 < TheLightCosine> shadow: check out their latency times in miami
11:25 <@rhia> TLC his speeched usually do - he learned how to deliver messages from watching pulpits
11:25 <@Catonic> url/
11:25 <@Shadow404> yeah, thats their major gig fiber line
11:26 <@rhia> speeches*
11:26 <@Shadow404> its beeing hit hard to
11:26 <@Shadow404> lawl, now vz is asking for additional peering
11:26 <@Shadow404> not gonna happen
11:26 <@Shadow404> fuck no
11:26 < TheLightCosine> heh
11:26 < TheLightCosine> it's the superbowl half-time flush!
11:26 <@Shadow404> sprint<>savis is being hit
11:26 <@Shadow404> oww, 83, super high
11:27 < TheLightCosine> vz<>savis is over 120ms in places
11:27 <@Shadow404> ouchie, and thats their peering connection
11:27 <@Shadow404> internap is doing ok
11:28 < TheLightCosine> surprisingly qwest is handling things beautifully
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11:28 <@Shadow404> xo peering is overflowing
11:28 <@Shadow404> thats not our side
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11:28 < TheLightCosine> which surprises me, since qwest is fucking terrible qat maintaining their routes
11:28 <@Shadow404> http://www.internetpulse.net/Main.aspx?xAxis=Metric&yAxis=Origin&zAxis=Destination&nAxis=Period
11:29 <@Shadow404> yeah, we lowest biatches
11:30 <@Shadow404> most of the complaints have to do with the in between peering
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11:30 <@Shadow404> btw, if you guys wanna do some super fast transfers, get stuff cued up right for the end of the innaguration, since alot of stuff will be uncapped just for today
11:31 < jb7od_> anybody get their teeth knocked out while i was gone?
11:31 <@Shadow404> jb7od_: isp's are
11:31 <@Shadow404> vz in particular
11:31 < jb7od_> too many ppl on cnn/fb watching barack?
11:31 <@Catonic> lolz
11:31 <@Catonic> MAE-EAST is next to a mcdonalds: http://eyeball-series.org/mae-east/maee-birdseye.htm
11:32 < Mercster> that was a horrible poem
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11:33 < TheLightCosine> shadow, i dun udnerstand how level3 and qwest are doing so well,. people further west must just not give a shit
11:35 <@Catonic> VZW has resorted to IP over Pack Mule
11:35 < Mercster> this guy's much better than that rick warren character
11:36 <@Shadow404> TheLightCosine: more direct peering
11:36 <@Shadow404> l3 and verizon do alot of short runs
11:36 < TheLightCosine> shadow: are you guys considered a 'tier 1'?
11:36 <@Shadow404> Catonic: its not vzw
11:36 <@Shadow404> its vzb
11:36 <@Shadow404> business, not wireless
11:37 <@Catonic> TheLightCosine: no, they are a tier 2, they get tier one's sloppy seconds
11:37 <@Shadow404> lawl
11:37 < TheLightCosine> heh
11:37 <@Shadow404> we are a half/half
11:37 <@Shadow404> we do both t1 and t2 traffic
11:37 <@Shadow404> most of our business is t2 though
11:38 <@Catonic> is there such a thing as tier one residential service?
11:38 <@Shadow404> but as far as i can go public knowledge
11:38 < TheLightCosine> so you guys are backbone but not? =P
11:38 <@Shadow404> TheLightCosine: depends on the service
11:38 <@Evilpig> when all these other people will get ahead and white will do right... 
11:38 < TheLightCosine> Catonic: um i beleive by definition T1 traffic is backbone between ASes
11:38 < TheLightCosine> i could be wrong about that though
11:39 < Mercster> Evilpig: that was hilarious
11:39  * Catonic just runs
11:39 < Mercster> Evilpig: when yella will be more mella
11:40 <@Shadow404> just fyi, mcaffee site advisor fucking sucks
11:43 < TheLightCosine> why?
11:43 <@Shadow404> for the site owners you have to jump through hoops
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11:50 <@rhia> never been quite so relieved  to see a former president escorted down the east steps - whew
11:51 < Mercster> cheney looks like old man potter
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12:00 < TheLightCosine> w00t quittin time
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12:02 <@Neoteric> now that i have my first black president i resolve to learn to read
12:04 <@Neoteric> he's signing H.Res 23
12:05 < Mercster> does that resolve the whole 40 acres and a mule thing?
12:05  * rhia grabs Neoteric and does a quick dance around the room
12:06 <@Neoteric> whee!!!
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12:14 <@nachoguy> h.res 23?
12:15 <@Neoteric> coop
12:16 <@polerin> lol
12:16 <@polerin> colon powell on abc
12:16 <@polerin> looks like he has lipstick on
12:17 <@nachoguy> maybe he just ate a child and is a messy eater
12:17 <@polerin> lol
12:25 <@Dolemite> Colin is the retired general.  Colon is where you expel poop.
12:25 <@Dolemite> Alternatively, Colon is where Corydon gets stimulated.
12:26 <@Peaches84> lol
12:26 <@Shadow404> pass the brain bleach please
12:27 <@m0j0-j0j0> our mail person just went by
12:28 <@m0j0-j0j0> being pushed by a 4wd
12:28 <@Shadow404> wow, streaming video slowing down the postal service too
12:28 <@Shadow404> wow, all content delivery is laggy today
12:31 <@polerin> oh that's interesting
12:31 <@polerin> the words flipped
12:31 <@polerin> not by obama
12:31 <@polerin> but by the chief justice
12:31 <@polerin> roberts fucked it up not obama  ... haha
12:33 < Mercster> yeah
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12:34 < Mercster> i think it was an insidious plot to invalidate the swearing in if obama had not insisted on the correct wording
12:34 <@nachoguy> what got changes?
12:34 <@nachoguy> eer changed
12:34 < Mercster> he moved the word 'faithfully' around, fwict
12:35 < Mercster> skipped where it should have been and tacked it to the end of the sentence, or something
12:35 <@Dolemite> The Presidential Oath of Office is the only oath that is specifically spelled out in the Constitution.
12:36 <@unixfg> 30 second input rate 141915000 bits/sec, 22966 packets/sec
12:36 <@unixfg> lol
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12:38 <@Shadow404> unixfg: i could do better, heh
12:38 <@Shadow404> one sec
12:38 <@Dolemite> I can do better!
12:39 <@unixfg> lol, that's only an OC3
12:39 <@Dolemite> 135981634913854012934790182469124601293710237991203471046293856239804723 bits/sec
12:39 <@Dolemite> that's from a logfile, I swear!
12:39 <@Shadow404> yeah, uh huh
12:39 <@Dolemite> We're on an OC-Gazillion
12:39 <@Shadow404> lawl
12:40 <@unixfg> we're on an OC-I'llBetYouWishYoudVotedForMcCainNow
12:40 <@Dolemite> OC-3?
12:40 <@Shadow404> 5 minute input rate 106026000 bits/sec, 37389 packets/sec
12:40 <@unixfg> two of them
12:41  * Shadow404 yawns
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12:44  * oddball decides to see how well Ubuntu runs on his Aspire One.
12:47 <@m0j0-j0j0> oddball: it will roxor it
12:48 < Mercster> “Obama: The Musical”
12:50 <@oddball> Cool, my dad just bought an 8GB one and hates the tinker-toy feel of the GUI that comes with the pre-installed linux.  I'm going to dual-boot my 160GB one, and probably install Ubuntu with a "windows-like" desktop.
12:50 <@oddball> (probably the default Gnome)
12:51 <@oddball> er... I'll try it then install it on his.
12:51 <@oddball> Why do netbook manufacturers insist on doing linux installs that no one actually likes?
12:54 <@nachoguy> they're preinstalled for retards, but linux people are the only ones really buying them
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12:55 < scud> ok who it this black guy on tv being sworn into office of the president of the united states of america?
12:55 < scud> i thought ron paul won
12:56 <@coil> noob
12:56 <@oddball> well, my dad's a complete n00b to linux, but has used Windows since 3.11.  He called me up and asked "ummm... how do you get to a real desktop?"
12:56 <@coil> open up terminal
12:56 <@coil> who needs a desktop
12:56 <@oddball> most normal people
12:57 < scud> damn ron paul's newsletter and me not reading any news for the last 24 months of my life!!!!!! DAMN YOU ALLLLLLLL!!!!
12:57 < scud> i feel so......planet of the apes...
12:57 <@oddball> and most of these netbook distros make it difficult to figure out how to get to a terminal without reading the manual.
12:58 <@oddball> ex: the Xandros install that comes on eee PCs require you to ctrl-T to bring up a terminal.  There is no other way.
12:58 <@rhia> scud: naw, they just left the WH
13:00 <@coil> manua? who needs those
13:00 <@coil> jfgi!
13:00 < Mercster> coil needs NOTHING!
13:00 <@nachoguy> mana?  you need to concentrate more to regain additional mana so that you can cast fireball
13:01 < scud> please tell me ashton kutcher is going to come running on while i'm watching MSNBC and say "YOU'VE BEEN PUNK'd"
13:01 < scud> i'm really crying like justin timberlake when he got punk'd
13:01 < scud> but i want this to be over
13:02 < Mercster> hope for change
13:02 <@rhia> scud: they make these little plastic things, covered in buttons, that you can point at the talking box and make it change pictures
13:03 <@rhia> or even make the pictures go away
13:03 < scud> rhia: i know it is a keyboard, i'm typing on one.
13:03 < scud> actually i use my mouse while i'm looking at porn, you know...to change the pictures.
13:04 < scud> must love middle mouse button and open in new tab
13:06 <@nachoguy> damn you jaunty Jackass!
13:07 <@nachoguy> my usb devices (keyboard and mouse) work just fine, until gdm starts
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13:18 <@aestetix> Man.
13:18 <@unixfg> LOL, Jaunty Jackass... that's satisfying
13:18 <@aestetix> That was an awesome inauguration.
13:18 <@Dolemite> nachoguy : Make sure that xorg.conf doesn't define a PS2 pointer
13:19 <@Dolemite> Jaunty Jackelope!
13:19  * unixfg is running Intrepid Idiot on his laptop and work computer
13:20 <@coil> 8.11?
13:20 <@coil> a new update i didn't hear about?
13:21 <@unixfg> 9.04
13:21 <@brimstone> 9.04 hasn't happened yet
13:21 <@unixfg> correct
13:21 -!- aestetix changed the topic of #se2600 to: "Greatness is never a given. It must be earned." - President Obama
13:27  * polerin applauds
13:27 <@coil> why the hell do they do the .04 and .10 shit
13:27 <@coil> they dont know how to count
13:28 <@brimstone> coil: spoiler: it's a date
13:28 <@critch> coil: It allows for numeric sorting
13:28 <@critch> Should 9.2 really be before 9.10?
13:29 <@Dagmar> Yes because they're not fuckign decimal numbers.
13:30 <@Dagmar> ...and you shouldn't encourage coil to remain an idiot.
13:30 <@coil> it's a date?
13:30 <@coil> remain an idiot yeah down talk me some more see what happens
13:31 <@Dagmar> Well, hey man, most of the rest of the world has managed to figure out that just because there's a "." there doens't mean it's a decimal place.
13:31 <@Dagmar> "9.2" is "ninth major release, second minor release"
13:31 <@Dagmar> "9.10" is "ninth major release, tenth minor release"
13:31 <@Dagmar> So no, ".2" is NOT equal to ".20"
13:32 <@Dolemite> they should start releasing in binary numbers
13:32 <@Dagmar> The newbs that run ubuntu would never figure that one
13:33 <@Dagmar> Seeing something with a teeny/micro release, like "8.10.2" generally clues most people in that it's not a decimaled number.
13:34 <@Dagmar> I also don't recall people ever comaplaining that IP addresses are broken because they don't sort "normally" as alphanumerics
13:34 <@Dagmar> 192.168.1.1 != 192.168.100.100
13:41 <@rhia> http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2009/01/pro-life_group_up_in_arms_over.php
13:45 <@polerin> donuts?
13:45 <@polerin> yep
13:45 <@polerin> lol
13:46 <@polerin> mmm mmm  abortion donuts!
13:46 <@timoguin> http://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/for/999540989.html
13:47 <@tzanger> hahahahaha
13:50 <@Dagmar> Wow.
13:50 <@Dagmar> They're completely retareded.
13:52 <@Neoteric> the fuck happened to senator byrd?
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14:01 <@rhia> Neoteric: Kennedy
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14:05 <@timoguin> haha i win!
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14:05 <@timoguin> I am channel god!
14:06 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o coil_] by timoguin
14:06 <@timoguin> We are channel Gods!!!
14:06 <@coil_> !!!!!!!!!\
14:06 < polerin> heh, services down
14:06 <@coil_> pwnd
14:06 < polerin> i'm glad you think you're ammusing
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14:07 <@coil_> Dagmar, dont ever call me an idiot again.
14:07 -!- mode/#se2600 [-m] by coil_
14:07 < polerin> coil_: you're acting like one
14:08  * timoguin highfives coil
14:08 < polerin> so
14:08 <@timoguin> polerin: you're just jellus
14:08 < polerin> oh i'm so jealous
14:08 < nachoguy> this takes me back
14:08 <@coil_> i wonder what happened to services *innocient whistle*
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14:11 <@timoguin> hahaha oh nooooes!
14:11 -ChanServ:#se2600- Corydon76-dig (Corydon76-home) set flags +b on timoguin.
14:11 <@Dagmar> I think we've had about enough of that
14:11  * rattle just got back from the mall.
14:11 < rattle> FUCK YEAH
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14:11 <@polerin> heh
14:11  * rhia hugs rattle 
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14:11 <@Dagmar> So... were they giving away free spaceships or something?
14:12 <@Dagmar> Generally a trip to the mall doesn't exactly elicit a great amount of excitement
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14:12 < rattle> Dagmar:  http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/20/AR2009012000524.html
14:13 <@Dagmar> Oh, I see... You managed to actually get OUT of there.  :)
14:13 < rattle> Getting out there was actually really easy..  Getting back was the trick..
14:14 <@Dagmar> So we're proabblay way past the ten million man marker than I suspect
14:14 <@nachoguy> rattle, I heard that public transit was at "crush level"
14:15 < rattle> Yeah, that's accurate..  The entire mall was crush level..  Literarily, the entire damn thing.
14:15 <@Dagmar> Awesome
14:15 < rattle> On TV you can see the ticketed area really clearly..  And it looks all orderly..  Because it was.
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14:16 < rattle> The rest of the thing was a packed sea of people.
14:17 < rattle> I saw solid people all the way back to the Washington Monument..  And there were even more people behind that..
14:19 < rattle> The authorities could have done a better job of conveying info about what exit paths were open and which were closed....
14:19 <@nachoguy> so were you lucky/connected enough to get into the ticket area?
14:20 <@rhia> rattle: they purposely made them random for security
14:20 <@Corydon76-dig> Not sure why they closed exit paths.  The whole point of those fences is to control who gets in, not who gets out
14:21 <@rhia> access to the parade, etc afterwards
14:21 <@rhia> they only was the SS to know the final route
14:21 <@rhia> new guy is rather a lot of work for them
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14:23 <@Corydon76-dig> Less work, I suspect.  99% of the world wanted Bush dead.  Only about 1% of Americans want Obama dead.
14:24 <@rhia> no, if Bush died, Cheney took over
14:24 <@rhia> he was excellent protection for Bush
14:36 <@polerin> rattle: they were actually having to direct people to behind the lincon monument
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14:51 <@Evilpig> Dagmar, Dolemite, ware:  did the 3.0.8 patch hit today?
14:53 <@Dagmar> Nope
14:53 <@critch> I thought Dolemite said it had
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14:53 <@Dagmar> Still no Kungaloosh
14:53 <@Dolemite> It did
14:53 < Curbob> are there Obama clones running all around wow today?
14:53 <@critch> I must have miss read
14:54 <@Dolemite> I VNC'ed into the house and it downloaded the patch
14:54 <@Evilpig> crap.  it's downloading now
14:54 <@Dolemite> Plus K-Mac is out sick today and he said that it's live
14:54 <@Dolemite> Mirage is also out sick today, don't know if he's on or not
14:54 <@Dagmar> OKay, well at least that means I don't have to listen to any more DK bullshit
14:54 <@Dagmar> "You guys are getting SO nerfed"
14:54 <@Dagmar> I shouldn't have to put up with that shit from deathknights
14:55 <@Evilpig> I was getting gang raped last night.  successfully killed a spriest and rogue.  then they called in help from a retadin and a dk
14:55 <@m0j0-j0j0> what movie should put in?
14:55 <@Evilpig> 4 on me.  fucking bastards had me completely stun locked or cowering cause of that d&d
14:56 <@Corydon76-dig> Apparently, I need to get on WOW
14:56 <@Dolemite> Corydon76-dig : Yeah, there's tea-bagging, too
14:57 <@nachoguy> retadin?
14:57 <@Dolemite> retaliation paladin
14:57 < Curbob> i rejoined for a month and then remembered why i stopped playing, takes to much of my free time (yes it's my own problem ;) )
14:57 <@Evilpig> I need to replace this laptop.  my wifi keeps crapping out
14:58 <@Dagmar> ret paladin, a.k.a. 'fucking cockroaches'
14:58 < Curbob> For the desktop, Intel slashed the price of its quad-core, 3.0-GHz Q9650 to $316 from $530.
14:58 <@nachoguy> curbob, nice
14:58 < Curbob> humm maybe time for an upgrade
14:59 <@nachoguy> I always kind of liked the paladin class (not in WoW, I've never played), just in general
15:00 <@Evilpig> dagmar this statement from my friend angel about this new patch
15:00 <@Evilpig> Angel says:
15:00 <@Evilpig> gd lol all the new dk's on melganis 
15:00 <@Evilpig> fuckers making level 55 toons on a full server
15:00  * nachoguy sets fire to Jaunty Jackass.  
15:00 <@nachoguy> that'll teach me to try alpha software
15:01 <@Dolemite> Heh, Mal'Ganis, where they have free character moves to another server but *only* for horde
15:01 <@m0j0-j0j0> E.T. it is
15:01 <@Corydon76-dig> nachoguy: you don't try out new software in VMs, first?
15:01 <@nachoguy> so anyone have any suggestions for linux softphones that supports SRV? Ekiga claims to, but it doesn't.  At least not in Interpid
15:02 <@nachoguy> Corydon: I need to see if it'll work on the "offical desktops"
15:02 <@Evilpig> all I am saying is that if a server is having a free move OFF they should not allow paid transfers or new character creations
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15:16 <@Evilpig> can everquest 2 possibly use more ports?
15:19 <@Dagmar> huh?
15:20 <@Dagmar> ...aside from the obligatory "fuck eq2" comment
15:20 <@Evilpig> at the book store opening up "popular" internet apps on the firewall
15:21 <@Evilpig> http://www.ageofdestiny.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=20213
15:21 <@Dagmar> Oh, no, that's just for the mentally retarded out there.
15:22 <@Dagmar> Any normal DNAT implementation will do everything it needs.
15:22 <@Dagmar> There's just some people out there still stupid enough to run firewalls that allow all traffic, unfiltered, without DNAT.
15:23 <@Dagmar> You know, the people who are so damn stupid they can't get their firewalls to allow traffic over a given port without unblocking that port _going both ways_
15:24 <@Evilpig> I've got this locked down tight
15:25 <@Dagmar> Yeah, but if you have a "normal, non-retarded" setup none of what's on that page applies to you
15:26 <@Dagmar> That information is only of use to people too stupid to do DNAT properly.  No joke.
15:26 <@Evilpig> I count this setup as free wifi but I am not letting you jackasses have free roam
15:26 <@Dagmar> Like, the ICMP stuff, any decent dnat/masq implementation is going to know which connection those applied to and msquerade them back in properly.
15:27 <@polerin> out of the car again
15:27 <@polerin> yay
15:28 <@Evilpig> okay so I have guild wars, wow, eqii, all steam games, (icq, msn, yahoo, aim, gtalk)proxied, 80(proxied), 443
15:28 <@Evilpig> I miss anything?
15:29 <@rhia> polerin: car? that's a beast! heh
15:29 <@polerin> ?
15:29 <@polerin> I mean they are walking down the street
15:29 <@polerin> for the second time
15:30 <@rhia> polerin: the Presidential limo
15:30 <@polerin> yeah it's a huge thing
15:30 <@rhia> looks like it outweighs a tank <g>
15:31 <@polerin> prolly one of those v-12 buggers
15:33 <@Evilpig> what was that game that dolemite and mirage were playing for a while?  was that guild wars?
15:34 <@polerin> yes
15:34 <@Evilpig> Drag0n`: what is it you play?
15:34 <@Drag0n`> EvE
15:34 <@Evilpig> ah yes.
15:35 <@Drag0n`> http://upload.0x1011.org/files/LearningCurve.jpg
15:36 <@polerin> lol
15:36 <@polerin> is it really that hard?
15:37 <@Drag0n`> i have been playing for 2 years, and theres probably 25-50% i still dont know
15:37 <@Drag0n`> so, yeah, its very hard
15:38 <@Evilpig> Drag0n`: 26000 is that tcp or udp or both?
15:38 <@Drag0n`> but it keeps the WoW kiddies from over running the game
15:38 <@Drag0n`> not sure, havent had to set it up
15:38 <@rhia> graphics are very nice in EvE - i get to watch them every night <g>
15:39  * rhia hugs Drag0n 
15:39 <@Drag0n`> hehe, it makes a great screensaver too
15:42 <@Evilpig> okay eve is opened on 26000 tcp/udp
15:42 <@Evilpig> guess I should do some real work today at somepoint
15:44 <@Drag0n`> if anyone wants to get into EvE, let me know, i will send you a 30 day code
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16:37 < ware> made it to the sweet suite!
16:43 < ware> lol@timoguin and coil
16:56 <@Drag0n`> http://voices.washingtonpost.com/securityfix/2009/01/payment_processor_breach_may_b.html
16:56 <@Corydon76-dig> Drag0n`: yeah, saw that
16:57 <@Drag0n`> i was one persons decision away from working there
16:57 <@polerin> OH SHIT
16:57 <@polerin> Dragon
16:58 <@polerin> eve, is a space MMORPG?
16:58 <@Drag0n`> yep, its internet space ships
16:58 <@polerin> wests.
16:58 <@polerin> wewts even
16:58 <@polerin> how's the physics?
16:59 <@polerin> and is it a direct control or closer to a WOW kind of thing?
16:59 <@Drag0n`> very detailed, but its not like wing commander flight, more like homeworld
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17:00 <@polerin> so it's not direct control over the ships with a joystick ?
17:00 <@Drag0n`> nope
17:00 <@polerin> it's "here's your destination"
17:00 <@polerin> boo
17:00 <@polerin> I want to fly again
17:01 <@Drag0n`> heres a video of a few space battles, its 1.1 gb   http://88.191.33.24/~foundation/alazais/clarioncall/
17:01 <@Drag0n`> then your looking for jumpgate evolution when it comes out
17:01 <@polerin> ah, ok
17:01 <@polerin> that's what it was
17:01 <@polerin> I knew there was one that was along those lines
17:03 <@Drag0n`> check out the vid anyway, its a realy good indication of what the space battles are like, and its of the ship i fly
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17:34 <@Shadow404> cat psychology perplexes me
17:35 <@Shadow404> fluff is the agressive cat, misty is the more submissive, fluff cant stand being near misty
17:35 <@Shadow404> and will hiss at her and then walk away, misty just looks liek what ever and moves on
17:35 <@rhia> its all written in smells
17:35 <@Shadow404> but get this
17:35 <@rhia> (that was for any Red Dwarf viewers out there)
17:36 <@Shadow404> at feeding time, i give them wet food (dry food is always available), and they cant eat nose to nose
17:36 <@sdodson> Shadow404: Your cat names are lame.
17:36 <@Shadow404> with no issue
17:36 <@Shadow404> explain that
17:36 <@sdodson> My cat's name totally pwns yours.
17:36 <@Shadow404> why can they eat wet food nose to nose no issue, but cant stand being near each other otherwise
17:36 <@Shadow404> you would think they would have food agresion
17:36 <@Shadow404> is it because they no there has never been a shortage?
17:37 <@Shadow404> rhia: yes, i rmember that cat character
17:37 <@Shadow404> lester right?
17:37 <@rhia> lester is the human
17:37 <@rhia> cat is the cat
17:37 <@Shadow404> oh yeah
17:37 <@nachoguy> verbal?
17:37 <@Shadow404> so any idea on why?
17:37 <@rhia> and its lister
17:38 <@rhia> cats in shelters commonly act the same way
17:39 <@sdodson> nachoguy: YES
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17:40 <@Shadow404> wtf, why would they fight each at all other times, but nose to nose with wet food no issue
17:40 <@rhia> probably more to do with clowder/pride mentality
17:40 <@Shadow404> they will also defend their territory as a pack outide
17:40 <@Shadow404> i guess
17:41 <@Shadow404> they defend the property line as a pack, but hunt in the woods seperately
17:41 <@Shadow404> hah, misty just climed in the empty nerf product box
17:41 <@rhia> they're a 'family group' (clowder) - what's good for the family is a bit different than individual stuff
17:42 <@rhia> food is often shared, esp if they're not starving
17:42 <@Shadow404> yeah, to keep everyone healthy and the pack strong i guess, that makes sense
17:42 <@rhia> kind of why a cat will bring you a dead mouse or bird -
17:43 <@Shadow404> aye
17:43 <@Shadow404> which they do plenty off
17:43 <@Shadow404> their favorite is lizards
17:43 <@Shadow404> with the head decapitated
17:43 <@rhia> now, let them go really hungry and they may fight more over it - or bring in a strange cat
17:43 <@Shadow404> ah
17:44 <@Dagmar> Holy crap
17:45 <@Dagmar> Apparently a server crash while your side controls Wintergrasp counts as a win
17:45 <@Dagmar> Some folks are cashing in BIGTIME on honor
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17:45 <@Shadow404> yeah watch blizzard take it back
17:45 <@Shadow404> and ban them
17:45 <@Shadow404> for a day
17:46 <@Shadow404> rhia: here's misty in the nerf box http://www.shadow404.com/143.sizes.@IMAGE_086_1?size1=O
17:46 <@rhia> heh
17:47 <@rhia> shhhh, she's hunting wabbits
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17:47 <@Shadow404> 01111111111112
17:48 <@sdodson> cerkit: Is this the shit you went to? http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v2092/105/72/522230769/n522230769_1829136_389.jpg
17:48 <@rhia> Shadow404: clan think isn't as obviously present in most cats, but feral clowders, shelters, etc see it a lot
17:49 <@rhia> Shadow404: ever hear of Hemingway's cats down in the FL Keys?
17:49 <@Shadow404> 30they are one month apart in age and adoption, so they are pretty close, so i guess they formed the clan mentality
17:49 <@Shadow404> yeah
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17:50 <@rhia> lots of animal behaviorists have studied them over the years - kind of interesting
17:52 <@rhia> mine all like their own space and have different personal interactions, but run the vacuum and they'll all huddle on the bed together like BFF <g>
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17:54 <@dasunt> ~weather 55404
17:54  * dasunt thinks.
17:54 <@dasunt> !weather 55404
17:54 <@Corydon76-dig> dasunt: mxzbot has been gone for ages
17:54 <@dasunt> Corydon76-dig: But he was so informative!
17:55 <@dasunt> Can we trade coil for mxbot?
17:55 <@rhia> dasunt: you get to reprogram him
17:55 <@Corydon76-dig> Guess where his reset switch is
17:56 <@rhia> Corydon76-dig: leave that for you to find, i'll pass
17:56 <@dasunt> A foot up the ass?
17:56 <@dasunt> 18°F out.
17:57 <@dasunt> Should have wore long johns on my ride to work.
17:57 <@Corydon76-dig> rhia: No offense, but you don't have the proper equipment to hit that reset switch
17:58 <@rhia> Corydon76-dig: of which i am particularly grateful
17:58 <@dasunt> Oh, I had a female question.
17:58 <@dasunt> But I forgot what it was.
17:58 <@dasunt> Hmmmm.
17:58 <@rhia> dasunt: what purse goes with your bike?
17:58 <@dasunt> Nah.
17:58 <@dasunt> I have the panniers for that.  :p
17:59 <@rhia> heh
18:01 <@aestetix> hmm
18:02 <@aestetix> Let's say I found an exploit in the billing system for my bank. If I know the person's account number, I can access their whole statement.
18:02 <@aestetix> What's the best way to handle that?
18:02 <@rhia> talking heads are getting tired, bloopers, miscues, and misspeaks are getting more common as the day goes on - should be entertaining towards the end of the Inaugural parties
18:03 <@sdodson> dasunt: do panniers get wet when you ride in the rain or do the fenders keep them dry?
18:03 <@aestetix> I don't know if full disclosure works anymore because there's a high risk that the bank would simply call the cops on me, and not bother the fix the actual exploit.
18:03 <@aestetix> s/exploit/vulnerability/
18:03 <@rhia> you know the person? tell them personally - you know the exploit, very carefully don't do anything remotely suspicious and respectfully contact bank IT security
18:03 <@sdodson> I'd call the bank.
18:03 < Falun|home> from a pay phone?
18:04 <@sdodson> Yes, just to increase their suspicions.
18:04 <@dasunt> sdodson: My panniers aren't waterproof.  They are cheap.  :(
18:04 <@dasunt> Good panniers can be waterproof.
18:04 <@rhia> aestetix: if you're really, really paranoid, contact a lawyer first
18:04 <@sdodson> dasunt: but the basic physics of the water, do your tires shoot a lot of water their way?
18:05 <@dasunt> Not really.
18:05 <@dasunt> The tires throw water out in the plane of their rotation.
18:05 <@dasunt> The rack the panniers are attached to blocks that spray.
18:05 <@sdodson> So basically you get whatever falling rain there is?
18:05 <@dasunt> Yep.
18:06 <@dasunt> I do get water thrown up at my upper back and my head though.
18:06 <@sdodson> get bigger fenders?
18:06 <@dasunt> That's without fenders.
18:06 <@sdodson> oh
18:06 <@sdodson> get fenders?
18:06 <@dasunt> I got them.
18:07 <@dasunt> Didn't you see my awesome "fuck you bike, you weren't designed for fenders but I has the thinking cells in my head!" pictures?
18:07 <@rhia> dasunt: missed those
18:08 <@dasunt> http://www.flickr.com/photos/tsunad/3202310819/sizes/l/
18:08 <@rhia> would like to see the pics of the thinking cells in your head <g>
18:08 <@dasunt> I'm proud of that setup.
18:08 <@rhia> dasunt: ahh, yeah, the mod from the other night
18:08 <@dasunt> Only a few hours and two trips to the hardware store.
18:10 <@m0j0-j0j0> when will the moon base be ready
18:10 <@rhia> i should get a decent city bike, esp now that i've sold my car
18:11 <@dasunt> How flat is it where you and is part of your trip by bus?
18:11 <@rhia> ok, aside from the generic attempted humorous "ribs & fried chicken" responses, what would be a good celebratory dinner tonight?
18:12 <@rhia> dasunt: it's Dallas - quite flat (well, with some minor development created swells)
18:12 <@rhia> and no bus rides, but _possibly_ a train (maybe)
18:13 <@m0j0-j0j0> rhia: sauteed julianed zucchini with a good red sauce.
18:13 <@rhia> dasunt: i just want a solid bike that lets me sit upright, back can't take being over the handlebars
18:14 <@rhia> m0j0-j0j0: good luck getting Drag0n to eat zucchini, but sounds really good
18:14 <@dasunt> rhia: Try a three speed or a singlespeed if you aren't planniong on the trade.
18:14 <@dasunt> Or a recumbant.
18:15 <@rhia> dasunt: recumbant would scare the bejjezuz out of me here
18:15 <@rhia> SUV drivers abound and they barely notice compact cars, let alone low slung bikes
18:16 <@m0j0-j0j0> rhia: if you lightly saute it in olive oil it taste like a really awesome spaghetti
18:16 <@rhia> dasunt:  would have to decorate it with all kinds of flags and ribbons and flashing lights to ride it out of the parking lot
18:17 <@rhia> m0j0-j0j0: i love squash of all kinds, the scaly one isn't a fan
18:17 <@dasunt> rhia: How often do you plan to ride it?
18:17 <@dasunt> rhia: And during the day or day & night?
18:17 <@rhia> dasunt: depends - mostly day, possibly some nights
18:17 <@m0j0-j0j0> Drag0n: I hate veg, but it's really good
18:18 <@rhia> right now, days only, but thinking ahead its nice to cover the options
18:19 <@m0j0-j0j0> are we talking about riding the bike or the squash?
18:19 <@rhia> dasunt: mainly interested in quality manufactured bikes in a reasonable time frame
18:19 <@m0j0-j0j0> *rim-shot*
18:19 <@rhia> m0j0-j0j0: heh, guess that could be both <g>
18:20 <@sdodson> rhia wants a fixie so she can be hardcore on irc and on the roads
18:20 <@dasunt> rhia: There's a lot of decent bikes out there for about $500-$1000.
18:20 <@rhia> sdodson: say again?
18:21 <@sdodson> rhia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixed-gear_bicycle  what all the cool kids ride
18:21 <@sdodson> brakes, who needs up, we're hardcore!
18:21 <@sdodson> s/up/um/
18:22 <@dasunt> sdodson: A front brake is a good idea.
18:22 <@dasunt> But fixed gears have a few really nice advantages.
18:23 <@sdodson> such as?
18:24 <@dasunt> Very few things to go wrong.
18:24 <@dasunt> The drivetrain is greatly simplified.
18:24 <@dasunt> There's no rear derailer to ice up in the winter.
18:24 <@dasunt> And no freehub prawls to die.
18:25 <@rhia> dasunt: yeah, i was looking at 3 speed city bikes -
18:26 <@rhia> dasunt: getting old enough to get one of those english or swedish 3 wheel market bikes with the big basket on the handle bars <g>
18:26 <@rhia> ride around looking like an agatha christie character
18:26 <@dasunt> English bikes are good.
18:27 <@dasunt> The old English bikes were probably one of the better designed utility bikes.
18:27 <@dasunt> OTOH, if you want to haul stuff, there's either BOBs (great way for a careless SUV driver to hit you, btw) or Big Dummies.
18:29 <@rhia> dasunt: mostly head to the grocery or bookstore, maybe work later (hopefully) - not major hauling, tho - we've got the truck for that
18:30 <@dasunt> You ever seen pictures of a bikes-at-work trailer?
18:30  * dasunt digs.
18:30 <@dasunt> This isn't it, but stop bitching about the cold:  http://www.flickr.com/photos/tsunad/3140632490/
18:31 <@dasunt> http://www.flickr.com/photos/tsunad/2916681020/sizes/l/ <- There's the trailer hooked up to a utility bike.
18:32 <@dasunt> I have no idea who that is, btw.
18:40 <@sdodson> minerale: eek a puppet user?
18:40 <@dasunt> WOOT!
18:41 <@dasunt> 31°F tomorrow!
18:41 <+minerale> sdodson: nope
18:41 <+minerale> I'm in a room with the puppet writer right now
18:41 <+minerale> (cloudcamp, altanta)
18:41 <@sdodson> ya, i saw that
18:42 <@sdodson> I keep thinking I'm going to deploy puppet in a meaningful way but right now it's just glorified cvs plus some glue to restart services.
18:44 <@sdodson> I say that meaning my setup is in that state, not puppet in general.
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18:45 <+minerale> sdodson: are you a sysadmin?
18:46 <@sdodson> minerale: Sometimes.
18:47 <+minerale> I'm unlikely to use puppet, the company I work for has a competitor for puppet
18:52 <@sdodson> chef?
18:52 <@sdodson> or a more established product?
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18:55 <@dc0de> evenin all
18:57 <@nachoguy> hey dc0de
18:58 -!- dc0de changed the topic of #se2600 to: Greatness is never a given. It must be earned." - President Obama | No man's life, liberty or property are safe while the legislature is in session. Judge Gideon J. Tucker.
18:59 <@dc0de> sup nachoguy
18:59 <@dc0de> I'll keep my Liberty, Freedoms, Guns and money, you can keep the "change".
18:59 < cerkit> Man.
19:00 < cerkit> Lots of quotes.
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19:02 <@dc0de> evenin Catonic
19:03 <@Catonic> sup dc0de
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19:04 <@dc0de> damn, he didn't stay long... ;-)
19:05 < cerkit> You're stuck with me.
19:05 < cerkit> So you probably just want to disconnect.
19:05 < cerkit> Everyone hates being stuck with me.
19:05 < cerkit> :)
19:05 <@dc0de> nah, I'll buck the trend...
19:06  * rhia hugs dc0de 
19:06 <@dc0de> I rarely "go with the flow"... ;)
19:06 <@dc0de> hey rhia!
19:06 < cerkit> I hope he does the right stuff.
19:06 <@dc0de> how you today?
19:06 <@rhia> dc0de: hey
19:07 < cerkit> He's already taking a couple bad positions on the economy, as far as I'm concerned.
19:07 <@rhia> dc0de: frickin' awesome
19:07 < cerkit> Big, major mistakes, if you ask me.
19:07 <@dc0de> cerkit: for the sake of our entire country, so do I.  I wish him the best, and hope that he doesn't go all "Leftist nutjob" on us...
19:07 <@rhia> dc0de: watching BushCo escorted down the east stairs by ANY new president was - burden lifting
19:07 <@dc0de> well, I'm really don't have the energy to discuss politics, I've had a hard day.
19:07 <@dc0de> brb
19:08 < cerkit> The "good bank" -- "bad bank" or aggregator bank, or whatever you want to call it, is a terrible idea.
19:08 <@rhia> dc0de: i know you're not a fan of the new one, but the old one simply had to go and the process worked - as its supposed to
19:08 < cerkit> And all the money already spent was a huge waste.
19:08 <@rhia> dc0de: i'd be as grateful if it were Ron Paul escorting him down <g>
19:08 < cerkit> We need a 180.
19:08 < cerkit> Hopefully we get it.
19:09  * rhia hugs dc0de  again - American transition worked, now, it's on to the cleanup - and we're all in it together =)
19:10 <@rhia> dc0de: i hope he doesn't go all "leftist nutjob" either, so we have that in common
19:10 < cerkit> Bush went all leftist nutjob before he left.
19:10 -!- sdodson changed the topic of #se2600 to: Greatness is never a given. It must be earned." - President Obama | No man's life, liberty or property are safe while the legislature is in session. Judge Gideon J. Tucker. | Whoa! -Keanu
19:10 <@dc0de> rhia: we have quite a number of common values...
19:10 <@rhia> but a little left, to get us back to center would be a good thing
19:10 <@dc0de> sdodson: nice addition!
19:10 <@rhia> dc0de: i know
19:11 < cerkit> We've been a lot more left than you realize, rhia.
19:11 < cerkit> rhia: Unless you think its rightwing to give billions to all sorts of business.
19:11 < cerkit> I mean DIRECTLY
19:11 <@dc0de> oh, does anyone want a 1 year old, housetrained and very intelligent german shepard male?
19:11 <@rhia> cerkit: oh, tomorrow starts the hard slog, tonight, shush
19:11 < cerkit> I'm just trying to keep things in perspective.
19:11 < cerkit> I feel like I'm playing a giant shell game sometimes.
19:11 <@sdodson> dc0de: I know, it's totally profound, dude!
19:12 <@dc0de> we found him, and we're looking for a good home for him.
19:12 <@dc0de> http://picasaweb.google.com/mr.dc0de/FoundDog#
19:12 < cerkit> But, I'm very happy who we have working the shells this time around
19:12 <@rhia> tonight we CELEBRATE an end to the neo-conservative wannabe evangelical hijacking of this country being led down the east steps
19:12 < cerkit> :)
19:12 < cerkit> Neoconservatism won't die though.
19:12 <@nachoguy> dc0de, hows the new gig going?
19:12 <@rhia> tomorrow, the Real work begins, yes, and its a lot
19:13 <@rhia> cerkit: nope, but its not the puppet master right now
19:13 < cerkit> rhia: You really believe that?
19:13 <@rhia> cerkit: shush, you -
19:13 <@rhia> not tonight
19:13 <@rhia> tomorrow, we can hash thru stuff
19:13 < cerkit> rhia: 9 out of 10 people still believe in all the same neoconservative values they did yesterday
19:13 < cerkit> 8shrug*
19:14 < cerkit> I don't see why thats not celebrating :)
19:14 <@rhia> cerkit: 9 out of 10 neocons, a whole slew of people rejected it in place
19:14 < cerkit> I'm super happy Obama's in
19:14 <@nachoguy> fourteen out of eleven people suck at math
19:14 <@rhia> cerkit: you're too young to be that cynical <g>
19:14 <@rhia> nachoguy: heheh
19:14 < cerkit> rhia: Roughly 16% of the US population are non-believers.
19:14 < cerkit> Thats it.
19:14 <@nachoguy> rhia, nope, cynical has no age requirement
19:14 <@dc0de> 8 out of every 5 people fail at statistics.
19:15 <@rhia> cerkit: non-believers in a cloud god, not non-believers in neoconservatism
19:15 <@rhia> dc0de: statistic prove Everything! heheh
19:15 < cerkit> I think you're missing the point, rhia.
19:15 < cerkit> We're being bred away, basically.
19:15 <@dc0de> rhia: 82% of the time...
19:15 < cerkit> Unless there is a huge paradigm change, which as you're saying, is possible.
19:15 <@rhia> cerkit: no, i'm not missing it - i'm avoiding it entirely for just this one night
19:15 < cerkit> Okay!
19:15 < cerkit> :)
19:15 <@rhia> dc0de: hehe
19:16 <@rhia> dc0de: good to see you back in here, btw
19:17 <@rhia> nachoguy: oh, don't be so cynical about it <g>
19:17 < cerkit> I'll roll a joint for a Obama time.
19:17 <@dc0de> well, i've been wicked busy, and have been underwater at work...
19:17 < cerkit> rhia: This way I can be like you, and ignore it, for one night.
19:18 <@dc0de> of course, we can't connect to IM and/or irc from the office, so that also makes it a bit more difficult to keep up with everyone.
19:18 <@rhia> cerkit: k, for this night, make it a big one <g>
19:18 <@nachoguy> dc0de, what is the new gig?  more R&D or more security product support?
19:18 <@dc0de> I mean, I "could" get online, and I "could" keep an ssh session open, however, since it's against policy, and I work in security, it's a bit more of the pot calling the kettle black...
19:18 <@rhia> dc0de: new jobs tend to do that
19:18 < cerkit> dc0de: We USE IM at my job.
19:19 < cerkit> dc0de: Where do work that IM is not allowed?
19:19 <@dc0de> we USE IM at my job too, it's just internal only, and secured
19:19 < cerkit> I thought that was a thing of the past.
19:19 < cerkit> Oh.
19:19 < cerkit> Thats not nearly as useful.
19:19 <@dc0de> I work at a major financial services company.
19:19 < cerkit> dc0de: Really, which one?
19:19 < cerkit> I probably know people there.
19:19 <@dc0de> we're regulated by too many agencies.
19:20 < cerkit> For me to know people there?
19:20 <@dc0de> no, for me to be allowed to have external connections.
19:20 < cerkit> word.
19:20 < cerkit> My friend uses MSN where you work.
19:20 <@dc0de> it's a bitch some times...
19:20 < cerkit> He's out here though.
19:20 < cerkit> In one of their offices out here.
19:20 <@dc0de> yeah, cerkit, that's a different division... that shit's going to change...
19:21 < cerkit> I don't really talk to him regularly.
19:21 < cerkit> I knew him from an old job.
19:21 < cerkit> We used to work on a dock together.  Loading freight...
19:21 <@dc0de> damn...
19:21 < cerkit> In philly.
19:21 <@dc0de> that's some harsh work.
19:21 < cerkit> dc0de: I've done many things
19:21 < cerkit> Been many places.
19:21 <@dc0de> cerkit: is he still in Philly?
19:22 < cerkit> dc0de: In a suburb, yeah
19:22 < cerkit> I wouldn't be shocked to learn he was laid off
19:22 <@dc0de> hahaha
19:27 < cerkit> Working on the dock was very hard work.
19:27 < cerkit> 16 hour days.
19:27 < cerkit> No climate control, so, in the winter, it was very cold, in the summer, insanely hot.
19:27 < cerkit> And it was overnight.
19:28 < cerkit> And when you came out of work, it was into probably the third worst neighboorhood in Phladelphia.
19:28  * rhia hugs channel, yes, even Mercster - i'm in an expansively good mood tonight <g>
19:28 < cerkit> I learned a lot there.
19:39 <@nachoguy> yeah, like the 5-6 weeks I worked at UPS.  much the same, other than the 16 hour days
19:40 <@nachoguy> I actually left that job becuase they wouldn't get me enough hours
19:40 <@nachoguy> they told me 8 hour shifts, and after 6, they;d start sending people home
19:40 < cerkit> This was work.
19:40 < cerkit> This was unload trusted destined for Home Depot.
19:40 < cerkit> Tools, Tractors, Doors, Windows, etc
19:41 < cerkit> unloading trucks*
19:41 <@sdodson> bodies
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19:43 <@nachoguy> ah, I got to load the big trucks for UPS
19:43 <@nachoguy> their major midwest hub is in the Chicago burbs
19:44 <@nachoguy> lots of freight
19:44 <@nachoguy> one of the things that people apparently do so that their packages aren't destroyed when shipped is make a cage around the box using plywood and 2x4s
19:45 <@nachoguy> then it's almost impossible to crush, plus it usually weighs more than 80 pounds, so it's one of the last things loaded on a truck
19:46 <+eryc> http://jumptheturnstyle.com/?p=2260
19:49 <+eryc> http://news.cnet.com/8301-13580_3-10146314-39.html
19:54 <@nachoguy> yay, I get to go home now
19:54 <@nachoguy> later guys
19:55 < cerkit> l8r
20:11 <+eryc> http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/tag_clouds_of_obamas_inaugural_speech_compared_to_bushs.php
20:12 <+eryc> Just finished my puppet session at #cloudcampatl, it went really well - lots of good questions and discussion. 46 minutes ago
20:13 < cerkit> hahaha
20:14 < cerkit> eryc: You got the latest infoz to distribute with the 0 day presidential warez, right?
20:14 < cerkit> http://www.little-gamers.com/2009/01/20/the-nfo/
20:15 < cerkit> h00x up all j00r releasez!
20:19 <@Dagmar> That's pretty awesome
20:31 < cerkit> Incase anyone didn't know
20:31 < cerkit> http://www.whitehouse.gov has ben Obamatized.
20:32 < cerkit> check it out.
20:38 <@Dagmar> Hey, we know for sure his people know how to work the Web
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20:40 <@brimstone> the 5.2/10 is a nice touch
20:40 <@brimstone> assuming those are the real numbers
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21:31 <@dasunt> My vest is rated 107-2004 class 2.
21:31 <@dasunt> <_<
21:32 <@dasunt> It's a safety vest.
21:32 <@dasunt> Googling, it looks like if the state was employing me, I'd need a class 3.
21:34 <@dasunt> OTOH, the statute doesn't really have a class for "commuter who doesn't care about maiming a cyclist if it shaves 30 seconds off the commute"
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21:50 <@sdodson> dasunt: what's this about?
21:55 <@dasunt> sdodson: I was bored and just noticed the label on my vest today.
21:59 <@dasunt> http://www.ansi107.org/
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22:16 <@rhia> ahhh, tomorrow the work begins - today - today was a good day
22:17  * rhia heads off for a good night sleep - for a welcome change
22:19 <@dasunt> Like a fly to the bug zapper...
22:39 <@sdodson> rhia: I think Obama was the better decision, but I think you're a bit glossy eyed.
22:39 < Mercster> sdodson: OBAMA IS THE MESSIAH
22:40 <@sdodson> damnit, you're still unbanned?
22:40 <@sdodson> Go piss someone else off again.
22:40 < Mercster> i dont attack unless i am first attacked, sir
22:46 <@sdodson> "Almost any method of data destruction is so much better than nothing that any differences between methods are usually insignificant." http://blog.subjunctive.com/2009/01/08/imperfect-but-still-useful-data-destruction-and-md5/
22:47 <@sdodson> That's pretty weak statement, I mean of course it's true unless your destruction methods are something like "install in unpatched windows xp machine, attach to Internet", but really?
22:48 <@mgalgoci> how about wiping a drive by simply reinstalling the OS
22:48 <@mgalgoci> that's not 7 pass
22:48 <@sdodson> But, it's undeniably better than nothing.
22:48 <@Dagmar> Quickformat FTW!
22:49 <@sdodson> I think it pretty much assumes that data theft happens most of the time by accident.
22:49 <@sdodson> Rather than people specificaly targeting used media.
22:49 <@Dagmar> That's rather likely
22:50 <@Dagmar> It's not like the average eBayer says right there on their profile "pilfered from the offices of the Secretary of Enegery" or something
22:50 <@sdodson> http://lastinfirstout.blogspot.com/2009/01/simple-solution-well-executed.html incase you're interested in the chain of urls that landed me on that.
22:52 <+eryc> not really
22:53 <@Dagmar> The sad thing is that this is such old news
22:53 <@Dagmar> Peter Gutmann said this pretty clearly back in 1996.
22:54 <@Dagmar> ...but the only thing pinheaded managers seem to take away from that is some crap about making multiple passes and writing complementary pairs of bitmaps.
22:54 <@Dagmar> ...which is rather like someone reading up to determine that you should make sure your car is fed fresh fucking oats because fungus might make it go crazy./
22:55 <@Dagmar> Holy shit here's a great example
22:55 <@Dagmar> http://www.dataerasureconsultant.co.uk/Methods/Software/Algorithms/PeterGutmann.aspx
22:55 <@Dagmar> "Generally considered to be the most secure named algorithm, the Peter Gutmann method involves overwriting data on the storage device 35 times. This results in very high security, meaning that even highly capable data recovery professionals may not be able to recover even the slightest piece of previous data."
22:55 <@Dagmar> That's just fiction.
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22:58 <@sdodson> I wonder if SSD's have special instructions to nuke all bits.
22:59 <+eryc> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLDzJHdxWAc
22:59 <@Dagmar> SSDs live on borrowed time anyway so they probably don't write any more than you tell them to
22:59 <@dasunt> "Kathi is a three time winner and current women's record holder in the 350 mile race and became the first female cyclist to finish the 1100 mile race in 2008."
22:59 <@dasunt> LOL!
22:59 <@sdodson> Since a simple zeroing of all sectors could be eeked out by write leveling strategies.
22:59 <@dasunt> "Hey, we have a finisher!  WOOT!  RECORD!"
23:00 <+eryc> thats a lot of miles
23:00 <@Dagmar> sdodson: Well, the only problem there is that the SSD isn't exactly going and writing to some place that's normally unallocated.
23:00 < Mercster> it is now my birthday
23:01 < Mercster> yaaaay
23:01 -!- mode/#se2600 [+v Mercster] by sdodson
23:02 <@Dagmar> Frankly, I'm beginning to suspect that write-leveling is done in the software, and not in the SSD itself
23:02 <@Dagmar> Either that or it's all black voovod
23:02 <@Dagmar> s/voovod/voodoo/;l
23:02 <@sdodson> "software" at what level?
23:04 <@sdodson> http://codeulate.com/?p=24
23:04 <@sasquatc4> dunno if its different on ssds, but you have to write a block at a time, so once you send a write or erase, it will clear an entire block
23:04 <@sasquatc4> clearing out flash is usually pretty straightforward
23:05 <+eryc> http://valhenson.livejournal.com/25228.html
23:07 <@sasquatc4> i dunno what they are thinkin, but apparently at work they are putting in racks and racks of ssds, trying to move all of engineering to ssd storage
23:08 <@sdodson> power savings? I think SSD has even started to hit storage array markets atleast in some hybrid configuration.
23:08 <+eryc> smokin the green initiative
23:09 <@sasquatc4> not sure why, but they are storage arrays, from what i heard they already put in a couple hundred TB and are puttin in more as they go
23:10 <@sdodson> "Enterprise quality SSDs are becoming available now as an alternative to 15k rpm disks in storage shelves. While performance varies greatly across vendors and read/write mix, they are very fast . 5000 IOPs and up vs. about 300 IOPs for a 15k FC disk."  shiny numbers
23:10 <@sdodson> Of course that comes from someone trying to sell you such devices, http://blogs.netapp.com/jay/2008/07/flash-forward.html
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23:13 <@sdodson> No one really seems to be concerned about write cycles, anyone complaining about it seems to be doing it in the form of "Ya, I heard about this dude who know some girl who dated some guy who had a drive fail once" rather than anything solid.
23:14 <@Dagmar> Well, that I can kinda understand actually.
23:15 <@Dagmar> Like, every time I worry about it I go do some projections and it looks like you could really abuse the hell out of a crappy thumbdrive and it's *still* likely to put up with it for 4-5 years
23:15 <@sasquatc4> yea, i spose it works in our situation, i think they are using them for storage and for the build servers, but everyones usual daily builds are done on their own boxes so the write issues probably arent too bad
23:16 <@Dagmar> I was talking about using them dfor things like squid cache
23:16 <@Dagmar> Like *heavy* use
23:17 <@sasquatc4> ahh
23:27 <@rhia> sdodson: yeah, probably - but more that BushCo has left the building than anything else
23:28 <@rhia> sdodson: do i think Obama is the messiah? pfft, no - hell, Jesus himself would look at this mess, shrug his shoulders and say "you're on your own with this crap"
23:28 <@dasunt> I has neckbeard.
23:29 <@rhia> but watching executive one fly off over the horizon with Bush inside?     absolutely gorgeous
23:29 <@mgalgoci> queerbeard
23:30 <@rhia> so, yeah, glossy-eyed today, i'll accept, tonight i'm pulling a Scarlet O'Hare
23:30 <@rhia> tomorrow, i can get back to bitching about the failed system <g>
23:31 <@dasunt> mgalgoci: You're just envious.
23:31 <@dasunt> Amazingly, without shaving my neck, I have a really clean neck line.
23:32  * rhia hugs sdodson 
23:32  * mgalgoci orders parts from sears.com to fix my easher
23:32 <@rhia> enjoy it now, won't happen often <g>
23:32 <@mgalgoci> washer
23:32 <@rhia> k, cats are fed
23:32  * rhia waves g'nite
23:32 <@mgalgoci> the f'ing thing won't agitatee anymore
23:33 <@mgalgoci> night
23:34 <+eryc> i didnt get a hug
23:34 <+Mercster> count your blessings
23:34  * rhia hugs eryc 
23:34 <+eryc> yay!
23:35 <+eryc> OBAMA!
23:35 <+Mercster> OHHH! bama
23:35 <@rhia> eryc: BushCo has left the building
23:35 <@mgalgoci> Ala Bama!!
23:35 <@rhia> yay!
23:36 <+Mercster> ali baba!
23:36 <@mgalgoci> so merc, you dirty old bastard, how young are you?
23:37 <+Mercster> thirty two
23:37 <@mgalgoci> daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn
23:37 <@mgalgoci> you riding one of those hoverounds yet?
23:37 <@mgalgoci> I got mine on order :D
23:38 <+Mercster> not yet
23:38 <+Mercster> one of the few things still working on me are my legs
23:38 <+Mercster> kinda annoying
23:38 <@mgalgoci> you should take up skateboarding
23:38 <@mgalgoci> and not wear any armor
23:39 <@mgalgoci> my cube mate snapped his ACL doing that
23:39 <@mgalgoci> he's like 50
23:39 <+Mercster> haha, dude
23:39 <+Mercster> when i was eh, 24 or so i did
23:39 <+Mercster> i was living in obama
23:39 <+Mercster> GAH
23:39 <+Mercster> omaha
23:39 <@mgalgoci> yeah he said that same thing
23:39 <+Mercster> bought a decent skateboard (~$150 or so)
23:39 <+Mercster> went to the local skatepark
23:39 <@mgalgoci> the only upside he says is his physical therapist is a hot woman with large breasthese
23:40 <@sdodson> haha old people
23:40 <+Mercster> and proceeded to fall on my ass in front of teens. one time a kid that was like 6 started tutoring me
23:40 <@mgalgoci> sdodson: GET OFF MY LAWN
23:40 <@mgalgoci> damn kids
23:40 <@dasunt> Mercster: Oldster.
23:40 <+Mercster> i spent most of my time trying to ollie
23:40  * dasunt is a young 30.
23:40 <+Mercster> got it down, kinda
23:40 <+Mercster> but meh, too much pain
23:42 <@mgalgoci> sdodson: you know bad santa right?
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23:42 <+Mercster> is grandma spry?
23:42 <@mgalgoci> granny
23:42 <@mgalgoci> is granny spry
23:43 <@mgalgoci> "HE GRANNY, ARE YOU SPRY?"
23:43 <@mgalgoci> HEY
23:44 <@sdodson> mgalgoci: The movie?
23:44 <@mgalgoci> no
23:44 <@sdodson> ya
23:44 <@mgalgoci> my cube mate
23:44 <@sdodson> no?
23:44 <@mgalgoci> roger
23:45 <@sdodson> Is he the one with all the tattoos or the one with the white hair?
23:45 <@mgalgoci> tats
23:45 <@sdodson> I can put a face with a name, but that's about it.
23:47 <@sdodson> mgalgoci: So open cubes, yay or nay?
23:47 <@mgalgoci> nay
23:47 <@mgalgoci> I want walls
23:48 <@mgalgoci> anyone who says we love open cubes is a lying bastard
23:48 <@sdodson> I miss the white boards. And the ones they had on the walls near my new cube they took down.
23:48 <@mgalgoci> nobody I know likes them
23:48 <@sdodson> Ya, thinking back even when my cube made had two ancient dell servers in her cube I think that was more peaceful than my current arrangement.
23:49 <@sdodson> s/made/mate/
23:52 <+eryc> i replaced my cubemate with extra storage space
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