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01:41 < Mercster> you followin' me, camera guy
01:41 < Mercster> ?
02:10 <@dasunt> Go to bed you lazy bum.
02:12 <@aestetix> dongz
02:15 < Mercster> dude i slept all day
02:16 <@aestetix> then get a job
02:17 < Mercster> how about you give me a job
02:18 < Mercster> a blow job
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06:30 <@cerkit> I am wiping tears out of my eyes...
06:30 <@cerkit> and catching my breath
06:30 <@cerkit> This might be the third funniest thing
06:30 <@cerkit> I have ever seen on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xo4gsW5c72A
06:55 <@cerkit> ]
09:33 <+shadowmoss> ping
09:35 <@m0j0-j0j0> pong
09:35 <+shadowmoss> :)
09:36 <+shadowmoss> morning computer time finished, time to get back to packing
09:45 <@m0j0-j0j0> enjoy
10:25 <@m0j0-j0j0> so fresh your momma will want to slap it
10:28 <@Peaches84> hello everyone
10:29 <@rhia> morning Peaches84
10:30 <@Peaches84> how are you doing
10:31 <@m0j0-j0j0> hey hey
10:32 <@Peaches84> what u up to
10:32 <@m0j0-j0j0> Peaches84: I'm sick so I'm exercising mt tivo today
10:33 <@rhia> Peaches84: blinking and waiting for coffee, how does this morning find you?
10:33 <@Peaches84> aww well mojo i hope you get to feeling better hugs and kisses
10:33 <@Peaches84> rhia: i am fixin to walk out the door to go to work
10:34 <@Peaches84> well hope yall have a wonderful day today ttyl
10:34 <@m0j0-j0j0> u2
10:38 <@m0j0-j0j0> someone make me some lunch and bring it to me
10:40 <@cerkit> I would dude, but, it would get cold.
10:40 <@cerkit> Its a long ride.
10:41 <@m0j0-j0j0> thanks
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11:09 <@m0j0-j0j0> so, as packed as CircuitCity was, they didn't really have that great of a deal on anything
11:10 < CRasH180> Not surprising
11:11 <@m0j0-j0j0> may be worth checking back in early Feb
11:11 < CRasH180> I feel that they are thinking that people will be so engrosed with the fact that they are going "out of business" that people will spend more than they normally would
11:12 < CRasH180> It reminds me of those sofa places selling furniture
11:12 < CRasH180> We are closing the doors at "deeply-reduced" costs
11:12 < CRasH180> uh huh
11:12 <@m0j0-j0j0> that are always having a going out of business sale
11:12 <@m0j0-j0j0> for years and years and years
11:12 < CRasH180> exactly
11:12 < CRasH180> only to open again under a new name and tax id
11:13 <@m0j0-j0j0> oh, we have one here that doesn't actually bother with that
11:13 <@rhia> http://steampunkworkshop.com/victorian-all-one-pc
11:13 <@m0j0-j0j0> they have just been in the process of going out of business for the last 10 years
11:14 < CRasH180> wow
11:17 < CRasH180> rhia: That is a very good mod
11:17 <@m0j0-j0j0> huge mod
11:20 < CRasH180> extremely. I do not have the time or patience for that type of mod
11:21 <@rhia> i don't have the shop for it
11:25 <@cerkit> Circuit City had an initial liquidation sale, stated to be 30%.
11:25 <@cerkit> However, it was in fact actually 10%.
11:26 < CRasH180> I'm sure that was off the retail price
11:28 <@cerkit> I can't get enough information now, since they've already headed into proceedings...
11:28 <@cerkit> But, I would imagine they're so levered things won't be able to be sold at too much more of a discount.
11:29 < CRasH180> I'm sure
11:30 <@cerkit> -415.83M in levered free cash flow, which is 4x their total cash position of 92.50M
11:30 <@cerkit> And with a negative operating cash flow of twice their total cash position, thats ugly.
11:31 <@cerkit> negative cash flow 6x their cash position.. haha
11:31 < CRasH180> ouch
11:32 <@Corydon76-dig> Yeah, their creditors are going to take a bath
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11:32 <@cerkit> To put that in perspective, GM is only 1x times its cash position, in negtive cash flow.
11:33 < CRasH180> and yet they receive a bail-out of our money
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11:33 <@cerkit> Well, they get a bailout for totally different reasons.
11:33 <@Corydon76-dig> Morning, jb7od
11:33 <@jb7od> morning
11:33 <@cerkit> I feel bad though, a lot of people work at Circuit City-- a lot more than I realized.
11:33 < CRasH180> yep
11:33 <@cerkit> 34,000
11:34 <@Corydon76-dig> I think we need a law in the US that any company determined to be "too big to fail" must be broken up
11:34 <@jb7od> without credit, americans can't buy cars they cam
11:34 <@jb7od> t
11:34 <@jb7od> afford
11:34 <@cerkit> Corydon76-dig: You would think free markes prevent those companies from existing :)
11:34 < CRasH180> They seem to allow them to exist
11:35 <@Corydon76-dig> cerkit: I think we've thoroughly dispelled the free market myth by now
11:35 < CRasH180> oddly enough
11:35 <@cerkit> We haven't had a "free market" in a long time.
11:35 <@jb7od> we have a slave market
11:35 <@Corydon76-dig> Yeah, but the more free the market becomes, the worse trouble the market gets itself into
11:36 <@Corydon76-dig> A free market can only exist in tandem with strong government regulation, to ensure that market players stay honest
11:36 <@cerkit> Corydon76-dig: see, I would contend thats far too general an observation.  I would contend the system is so complex, as to allow certain classes to avoid the actual terms of regulation.
11:36 <@Corydon76-dig> Because without that, market players are prone to distortion
11:36 <@cerkit> Corydon76-dig: Unbalancing the free market, and its ability to be naturally corrective.
11:36 <@cerkit> In other words, corruption.
11:36 <@Corydon76-dig> And remember, a truly free market REQUIRES perfect information
11:37 <@cerkit> I agree it needs strong regulation; and that we donot have that.
11:37 <@cerkit> We simply have complex regulation.
11:37 < CRasH180> I submit that they are not corrupt and we should give them our money willingly. j/k
11:37 <@cerkit> The government is as corrupt as the banks.
11:37 <@cerkit> And the rating agencies.
11:37 <@cerkit> Or they couldn't exist as they do, frankly.
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11:38 <@Corydon76-dig> CRasH180: I can guarantee you, if you invest your money with me, I will lose it slower than the market is today
11:38 <@jb7od> lol
11:38 < CRasH180> lol
11:38 <@cerkit> The entire "crisis" was created by instruments rated and some even sponsered by the government.
11:38 < CRasH180> The check is in the mail
11:38 <@cerkit> An d those rating agencies.
11:39 <@cerkit> The problem is, no incentive exists to proect the tax paying bail outees.  For instance, the ratings agencies MAKE money on an issuance.
11:39 <@cerkit> So, why would they want to give it a shitty rating, that wouldn't be bought?
11:39 <@cerkit> LOADS of nonsense like that -- and of course, our tax law.
11:40 <@cerkit> Corydon76-dig: so, I really agree with what you're saying in a way, but for different reasons.
11:40 <@cerkit> I don't think we've HAD a free market for a while.
11:40 <@Corydon76-dig> cerkit: To a certain extent, I agree
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11:40 <@cerkit> You realize for instance, public banks can have things called "level 3 assets"?
11:41 <@cerkit> They don't need to be disclosed. heh
11:41 <@Corydon76-dig> I think that some forces have equated a free market with a deregulated market, and it should be clear to all parties that that is false
11:41 <@cerkit> Thats free market distortion.
11:41 <@cerkit> The lack of the enforcement of EXISTING regulation.
11:41 <@cerkit> Which causes people to think we need more.
11:42 <@cerkit> Which only perpetuates their advocating levers of mobility.
11:42 <@Corydon76-dig> Yes, but the main cause of the financial crisis was instruments that are not regulated, period
11:42 <@cerkit> CDS?
11:42 <@Corydon76-dig> Right
11:42 <@cerkit> Or MBS?
11:42 <@Corydon76-dig> and STILL not regulated
11:42 <@Corydon76-dig> CDS
11:42 <@cerkit> CDS is a problem.
11:42 <@cerkit> I agree.
11:42 <@cerkit> But the fact that can even exist, is the problem.
11:42 <@cerkit> Not that they are non-regulated\
11:43 <@Corydon76-dig> What's MBS?
11:43 <@cerkit> Mortgage backed Securities
11:43 <@Corydon76-dig> MBS is fine
11:43 <@cerkit> See, I have my problems there too.
11:43 <@cerkit> Securitization of debt like that... disturbs me.
11:44 <@Corydon76-dig> and CDS, from a purely risk management position, is fine, as long as it is done between two organizations which ACTUALLY issue credit
11:44 <@cerkit> It means the banking system has already failed.
11:44 <@cerkit> And needs to generate paper to support artifically inflated growth
11:44 <@Corydon76-dig> but a CDS should be regulated as insurance
11:45 <@Corydon76-dig> Just as in life insurance, you should not be able to purchase a CDS on an unrelated transaction
11:46 <@cerkit> Yeah, but the same people issuing under-capitalized debt as MBS, turn around and buy undercapitalized insurance (from alike banks)...
11:46 <@cerkit> It creates huge levered risk.
11:46 <@cerkit> heh
11:46 <@cerkit> Since they're all in the same business man, they just trade it between themselves.
11:46 <@Corydon76-dig> MBS is how our credit markets have worked, though, for 50 years
11:47 <@cerkit> If at any point in the cycle, a lack of capital happens, it falls apart.
11:47 <@cerkit> Corydon76-dig: Dude, a lot of those years were artifically inflated through what Greenspan was doing though.
11:47 <@Corydon76-dig> It's the repackaging of MBS that was the problem
11:47 <@cerkit> And the major use of securitization by the banks, started in the 80s
11:47 <@cerkit> not 50 years ago
11:48 <@cerkit> Companies securitized, sure
11:48 <@cerkit> But not the banks.
11:48 <@cerkit> Banks did bond offerings, bought treasuries, etc.
11:48 <@cerkit> And gold, frankly.
11:48 <@Corydon76-dig> Right, but because they were forbidden to do anything else, by Glass-Steagal
11:48 <@cerkit> I don't know, maybe you're right, but, I don't like how that works.
11:48 <@Corydon76-dig> which was repealed in 1999
11:48 <@cerkit> Seems very house of cards to me.
11:49 <@cerkit> I'd rather we not grow that fast
11:49 <@cerkit> than grow that way
11:49 <@cerkit> myself.
11:49 <@Corydon76-dig> I remember that time.  CitBank was a major player in the repeal of Glass-Steagal
11:49 <@Corydon76-dig> and the trouble they've gotten themselves into...
11:50 <@Corydon76-dig> Not just themselves; the rest of America, too
11:50 <@Corydon76-dig> Glass-Steagal was passed in 1933 to prevent EXACTLY the problems that led to the Great Depression
11:50 <@cerkit> Agreed.
11:51 <@cerkit> A lot of it was also our current Sec. Tres. then Goldman Sachs CEO.
11:51 <@cerkit> Who lobbied for twice, and got in 2004, capital ratio requirements changes
11:51 <@cerkit> in US investment banks, all of which are now gone.
11:51 <@cerkit> It allowed them to go from 12-15 to 1, to 40 to 1
11:52 <@cerkit> And back then, everyone was at 10 for safety reasons, and 12-15 was the limit in that context.
11:52 <@cerkit> heh
11:53 <@cerkit> Oddly all those these you mention, and what I just mentioned, came back to haunt us all.
11:53 <@Corydon76-dig> Yep
11:53 <@cerkit> Its so Anti-Darwinian.
11:53 <@Corydon76-dig> over-leveraged
11:53 <@cerkit> All the shitcocks than landed us here, are the one's given the money, to allegedly get us out.
11:53 <@cerkit> that*
11:54 <@rhia> one word:
11:54 <@rhia> greed
11:54 <@cerkit> We should have let it collapse and given a whole new crew of people $700b to start brand new banks.
11:54 <@cerkit> It would have been faster, less painful, and full of lessons.
11:55 <@m0j0-j0j0> cerkit: word
11:55 <@cerkit> We're fucking any one of the people in this channel with children.
11:55 <@cerkit> Over 10.5 trillion in commitments so far.
11:55 <@cerkit> 4+ trillion of that used.
11:56 <@Corydon76-dig> Can we just call it child rape and put Paulson behind bars for good?
11:56 <@cerkit> We should be able to call it treason...
11:56 <@cerkit> I mean, "they" unhinged the entire US economy.
11:56 <@cerkit> Not that it was carefully designed to protect against...
11:56 <@m0j0-j0j0> well
11:56 <@Corydon76-dig> I think treason is a stretch, unless you can show conspiracy
11:57 <@m0j0-j0j0> terrorism is contrrolling people by fear
11:57 <@cerkit> But don't the people make the government in our country? :)
11:57 <@cerkit> I mean shot.
11:57 <@cerkit> shito
11:57 <@cerkit> Corydon76-dig: It took at least Paulsen and Cox
11:57 <@cerkit> You can't do what was done without them being in the jobs they had and then the government officials positions...
11:57 <@m0j0-j0j0> and right now everyone I know is being controlled by fear of the economy and fear of being unemployeed
11:58 <@cerkit> And I HATE being the conspiracy theorist at this point
11:58 <@Corydon76-dig> cerkit: yeah, but there's a difference between conspiracy and incompetence
11:58 <@cerkit> But, even if you say "okay, maybe it wasn't a conspiracy and they were just dumb" -- gross misconduct does not preclude stupidity
11:58 <@cerkit> as a cuase, I mnean
11:59 <@cerkit> You don't get to get off the hook in a position like that, so simply.
11:59 <@cerkit> "Oops, I declared war."
11:59 <@cerkit> "Oops, I accidentally asked for 700 billion."
11:59 <@cerkit> heh
11:59 <+shadowmoss> ACK!!!
11:59 <@cerkit> They have different jobs than we do.
11:59 <@Corydon76-dig> Yes, but with incompetence, you can go higher and the person who put them in power is then on the hook
11:59 <+shadowmoss> someone come make all these decisions for me
11:59 <@rhia> "criminal misconduct" comes to mind
12:00 <+shadowmoss> and me the decisions in the way I'll look back and know was the right ones
12:00 <@cerkit> Corydon76-dig: If you follow that rationale, you have to blame the American people.
12:00 <@Corydon76-dig> cerkit: no, just the ones who voted for Bush
12:00 <@cerkit> And I think by virtue of taking these sorts of actions, the American people would be assuming blame and would be acting as someone responsible.
12:01 <@Corydon76-dig> cerkit: and if they're judged incompetant to vote, then the next few election cycles will be grand
12:01 <@cerkit> Corydon76-dig: as much as I'd like to just have everyone line up, and "deal" with anyone who didn't get 100 on an IQ test...
12:01 <@cerkit> we can't do that
12:01 <@rhia> cerkit: hence "criminal misconduct" by those who should have known better, but really, REALLY like the extra 0s at the end of their bank statements
12:01 <@cerkit> I would be fantastic...
12:01 <@cerkit> fast... cost effective...
12:01 <@cerkit> unfortunately, its not "free" as the founding fathers intended it.
12:02 <@cerkit> So, destroying the stupid will not work.
12:02 <@cerkit> We have to educate them.
12:02 <@cerkit> No?
12:02 <+shadowmoss> should I wake NL up and make him start packing?
12:02 <@Corydon76-dig> cerkit: intelligence and incompentence are two different things
12:02 <@cerkit> Corydon76-dig: I guess, but one is really a function of a lack of another.
12:03 <@Corydon76-dig> cerkit: No, I think they're completely different measurements
12:03 <@cerkit> I guess I've yet to meet someone intelligent and incompetent.
12:03 <@Corydon76-dig> Competent unintelligent people don't try to second guess themselves
12:04 <@rhia> Einstein was very nearly socially and financially incompent, but not unintelligent
12:04 <@Corydon76-dig> cerkit: Oh, I've met a TON of those
12:04 <@cerkit> rhia: That assumes his methods were not ideal contrast to some other set, right?
12:04 <@cerkit> What makes the other set so ideal?
12:04 <@cerkit> heh
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12:05 <@cerkit> I love the smart guy no social skills discussion because it assumes every one elses sociality is GOOD by degault.
12:05 <@rhia> Tesla and Edison were 'eccentric', too - iow, they were incompetent in many areas, but neither was unintelligent
12:06 <@rhia> cerkit: not so much didn't know the right fork, more like would forget they weren't wearing pants socially incompetent <g>
12:06 <@cerkit> What if they were smart enough to realize, given their configuration and ability, it would be better if they didn't speak to people, and just worked on their research?
12:06 <@rhia> or that bills require payment
12:06 <@rhia> or that bodies require sustenance
12:06 <@Corydon76-dig> If businesses in this country weeded out the incompetent, they could lay off a ton of the competent people who compensate, and this country would have a 90% unemployment rate
12:06 <@cerkit> 80/20
12:07 <@cerkit> Its actually been shown to be true -- the 80/20 principle.
12:07 <@cerkit> Corydon76-dig: What do we do with them after we fire them?
12:07 <@Corydon76-dig> 80% of the work is performed by 20% of the people?
12:08 <@cerkit> Yeah.
12:08 <@cerkit> But, I'd rather talk about the answer to my question.
12:08 <@cerkit> What do you do with them?
12:08 <@Corydon76-dig> No idea
12:08 <@rhia> Corydon76-dig: soylent green?
12:09 <@cerkit> This all assumes we have a valid way of making the determination too, thats universally meaningful.
12:09 <@cerkit> But, if we did, the bigger problem is what the hell you do with them.
12:10 <@rhia> cerkit: Heinlein had quite a few ideas on making that determination
12:10 <@cerkit> We could breed them as power sources, like The Matrix.
12:10 <@cerkit> :)
12:10 <@m0j0-j0j0> cerkit: slavery
12:10 <@cerkit> m0j0-j0j0: They'd just fuck it up
12:10 <@cerkit> thats the point.
12:10 <@m0j0-j0j0> cerkit: leading export?
12:11 <@Corydon76-dig> For one thing, if you took out incompetent people, you'd decimate the insurance industry... not because insurance people are any more incompetent, but because they insure a lot of problems that would never occur without incompetence
12:12 <@Corydon76-dig> Peaches works for a place which replaces cell phones for people who have done REALLY stupid shit with them
12:12 <@cerkit> I don't know.  The real hypotehtical problems aside, the real one's scare me much more.  If we keep dumping money in like this, once, and if we ever do, we get velocity in the economy, inflation will be FUCK up -- thats basically the technical term
12:13 <@cerkit> FUX0RED
12:13 <@cerkit> I can't talk and eat it seems, sorry.
12:13 <@Corydon76-dig> Eh, I should go fold laundry
12:13 <@cerkit> This whole conversation looks like I've done PCP
12:13 <@cerkit> Have fun.
12:14 <@cerkit> think about 10.5 trillion
12:14 <@cerkit> in obligations
12:14 <@Corydon76-dig> There's clothes in the dryer, and the basket in front of the dryer looks like a small mountain
12:14 <@cerkit> That shit sounds like a joke when I say it.
12:14 <@rhia> nice light sunday brunch conversation <g>
12:14 <@cerkit> 10.5 trillion.
12:15 <@cerkit> rhia: What country do we move to?
12:15 <@cerkit> Because hyper-inflations a bitch...
12:15 <@Corydon76-dig> Canada isn't doing too badly
12:15 <@cerkit> Corydon76-dig: Their economy is collapsing too... :(
12:16 <@rhia> Sweden, possibly
12:16 <@cerkit> Its very closely correlated with oil.
12:16 <@cerkit> rhia: Hm, yes... perhaps.
12:16 <@rhia> they've acted rather quickly and decisively on it
12:16 <@Corydon76-dig> When I consider factors such as total freedom and native languages, Canada is pretty much the best choice
12:16 <@Corydon76-dig> England sucks for total freedom
12:17 <@cerkit> I don't think the "total freedoms" package is going to be able to be sustained as it is everywhere.
12:17 <@Corydon76-dig> Maybe New Zealand?
12:17 <@rhia> but they're all tied into the global economy now, and the big economies can easily pull down the rest
12:17 <@rhia> Corydon76-dig: NZ is having issues, too - and they really, Really don't like Americans
12:17 <@cerkit> If you think about the current job loss and how thats a lagging indication; what it says about the economy as its going to evolve is horrific.
12:18 <@cerkit> 2.6 million jobs lost in 4 months, and thats without considering any major changes in the auto industry
12:18 <@Corydon76-dig> One thing I like about working at the HC is that I've gotten a ton of skills that will help me if the economy ever truly collapses
12:18 <@cerkit> It also does contain all of the jobs from financial consolidations -- we have 1900 banks in this fucking country.
12:18 <@cerkit> Many will fold.
12:18 <@cerkit> does not contain*
12:19 <@cerkit> Thats without the 34,000 from CC for instance.
12:19 <@m0j0-j0j0> yeah, but NZ is set to become the next upcoming economic powerhouse
12:19 <@cerkit> And other retail bankruptcies to come.
12:19 <@rhia> SteamWars - just, um .... damn  http://www.sillof.com/images/Customs/Steampunk%20ESB/imperials.jpg
12:19 <@Corydon76-dig> Do your part to buoy the economy... All of you need Asterisk boxes at home with genuine Digium cards.
12:20 <@cerkit> It is looking bad.
12:20 <@rhia> http://www.sillof.com/C-Steampunk-ROTJ.htm  - the speeder bike is cool
12:21 <@cerkit> In the next 6-18 months, the thinking is going to go from "Too big to fail" to "Too big to succeed" -- Theres no way they can capitalize these banks.
12:21 <@cerkit> If you saw some of these assets, it would make your brain melt and run out of your ears.
12:23 <@cerkit> They create 55 trillion in derivatives on 12 trillion of mortgages (which in the last month became 11 trillion worth in mortgages) -- and which continues to decline.
12:23 <@cerkit> created*
12:23 <@cerkit> Corydon76-dig: Thats... MBS
12:23 <@cerkit> heh
12:23 <@rhia> take away the idiotic idea that corporations are 'special' citizens with the rights of individuals, but not the consequences
12:23 <@rhia> re add some intelligent controls, gasp, yes, regulations
12:23 <@cerkit> rhia: That is the part where I think we failed the free market.
12:24 <@cerkit> This corporate personage.
12:24 <@rhia> cerkit: definitely
12:24 <@cerkit> We seem to think its wise to socialize all the losses and individualize or privatize all the gains.
12:25 <@cerkit> Which, will be more effective in building business, but really doesn't have any reflection on the underlying people involved in the building of that pyramid of commerce.
12:26 <@cerkit> I hope we see what we're doing soon, and let these banks fail, and capitalize all new banks, run by all new people.
12:26 <@cerkit> Before its too late.
12:28 <@rhia> when the government forgets that business IS people, and instead treats business as being More Important than people, shit like this happens
12:28 <@cerkit> rhia: I know, you're right.
12:28 <@cerkit> This time it might be worse than that though.
12:29 <@cerkit> Who will bail the government out?
12:29 <@cerkit> On its 10.5 trillion of commitments?
12:30 <@rhia> get China to forgive our loans like we've down for south & central america?
12:30 <@rhia> honestly, don't know - but even governments are still people
12:30 <@rhia> enmeshed and mired in bureaucracy, but still people
12:30 <@cerkit> With the way they've constructed things: property taxes declining, (job losses causing) income tax declining, (stock market losses / no more investment) causing cap gains decling, and the trade defecit increasing on its own already...
12:31 <@cerkit> Who could pay that?
12:31 <@cerkit> They've obliterated the private market and backstopped everything.
12:31 <@rhia> mining the moons of Jupiter & Saturn <g>
12:31 <@cerkit> I don't know.
12:32 <@cerkit> I'm just worried.
12:32 <@rhia> iow, time to think outside of the box
12:32 <@cerkit> The current generation of kids, and this is just in my own experience, is far too fucking stupid to step in, especially at this point.
12:32 <@cerkit> So, I'm really worried.
12:33 <@cerkit> Especially since at some point, they will inherent this problem, somewhere hopefully in its path to be solving.  And we'll need them to be not so dumb.
12:33 <@rhia> eh, there are some sharp ones, as in all generations - but our education system here hasn't helped
12:34 <@cerkit> rhia: My own experience tells me the number is a decling one.
12:34 <@cerkit> declining
12:34 <@rhia> thankfully some other countries haven't slacked quite so hard on teaching their kids how to think
12:34 <@cerkit> thankfully, in that, at least when they conquer us they'll be nice?
12:34 <@cerkit> or..
12:34 <@cerkit> :)
12:36 <@cerkit> I'll say what every one I know says.
12:36 <@cerkit> "Obama will fix it."
12:36 <@rhia> Obama isn't a god
12:36 <@cerkit> He better be.
12:37 <@rhia> Obama was just, by far, the lesser of the two major party candidates
12:38 <@cerkit> If he doesn't do something, we're going to be like Russia not too long ago.
12:38 <@cerkit> Liquidation Nation.
12:38 <@rhia> and the last decade has left a lot of manure to sweep up before the underlying problems can be addressed
12:38 <@cerkit> At which point, you'll see the REAL terror behind greed and corruption, when they sell our dangerous technology around the world.
12:38 <@cerkit> As the government tries to re-assert itself.
12:38 <@cerkit> (post collapse)
12:39 <@rhia> to suture or cauterize the wound, you have to clean up the blood to find it
12:39 <@rhia> and we're bleeding badly right now
12:39 <@cerkit> See, this is where I'm troubled.
12:39 <@cerkit> It is not a wound, and we're not bleeding.
12:40 <@cerkit> We're flat lined.  Dead.  And something is electrochemically keeping our body parts active.
12:41 <@cerkit> When you tap 10 trillion, and repeated inject money into a black hole (of negative assets which will continue to decline no matter what you inject), you destroy your currency.
12:41 <@rhia> er, the lesser evil of the two candidates -
12:41  * rhia moves feline
12:41 <@coil> http://www.exoticgame.com/images/kitties2.jpg
12:41 <@rhia> we're not dead yet
12:41 <@cerkit> I don't know how people consider this "ok" and "normal"
12:41 <@cerkit> and its just "we're fixing it"
12:42 <@cerkit> rhia: Only because for the stupid, who wait for them to come on TV and says its over.
12:42 <@cerkit> Anyone who can do the (unfortunayely overly complicated) math can see, they've fucked things up but good this time.
12:43 <@cerkit> What do you think will happen when the economy finds velocity?  And all those dollars come out of the banks?
12:44 <@cerkit> $1 = 1/10th its present value.  Wages don't move that fast ever.
12:45 <@cerkit> Best case scenario is a huge inflation problem in 3 years.
12:45 <@coil> fuck it
12:45 <@coil> idc
12:45 <@coil> live life to the fullest
12:45 <@cerkit> I am.
12:45 <@coil> while you still can
12:45 <@cerkit> I'll live it before, after and during.
12:46 <@cerkit> Taking inventory of bad news, doesn't mean drowning in a pool of your tears.
12:46 <@cerkit> hehe
12:46 <@coil> dont worry ill drown it in alcohol
12:46 <@cerkit> In fact, the opposite.  You do it so you can better understand the future.
12:46 <@coil> jk jk jk
12:47 <@coil> that's deep, bro
12:47 <@cerkit> I think its going to give me an opportunity to do something different, work-wise.
12:47 <@coil> IT isn't cutting it out?
12:47 <@cerkit> Because I think a lot of these private universities I've been working for are going to close.
12:47 <@cerkit> Well, It will still be there, albeit a bit dimished as a sector.
12:47 <@cerkit> But, specifically, private universities.
12:48 <@cerkit> They've become overly dependent on this huge student loan cycel.
12:48 <@cerkit> And a lot of them won't be able to cut themselves back to budgets based on enrollment from 10 years ago
12:49 <@cerkit> Which is where enrollment numbers at the expensiv e schools especially, are opt to be.
12:50 <@cerkit> State schools are going to do fantastic though.
12:50 <@cerkit> Big enrollment turn outs, additional government money and additional student loan provisions...
12:51 <@cerkit> Perfect storm of high unemployment, small credit market, and consolidation/closing of private universities.
12:53 <@rhia> expand teleclasses, investing in 'green' technologies, repair and upgrade the bloody infrastructure, and deal the the medical issues before THAT bubble bursts on top of the this one
12:55 <@rhia> deal with - sigh
12:55  * rhia wanders off to get stuffs done
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13:00 <@m0j0-j0j0> maybe I should take a nap
13:01 <@cerkit> They both sound like good ideas.
13:02 <@cerkit> I can't take the nap though.  I'm busy doing as Corydon is, laundry.
13:09 <@m0j0-j0j0> the machines do the work. the buzzer will wake you up
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13:20 <@cerkit> See, then you run into a story like this...
13:20 <@cerkit> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aJA3rhYFkThw - 21,000 Jobs Worldwide Erased in Day as Recession Chokes Demand
13:27 <@jb7od> hm
13:28 <@jb7od> can it be the k-point of captitalism? can it be that the snake has eaten enough tail to get into the vitals?
13:32 <@jb7od> i'm trying something really dumb that probably won't work: i'm trying to subnet two cable modems together across my basement.. one webstar and one terayon..
13:40 <@coil> for what point
13:41 <@m0j0-j0j0> one network to rule them all
13:42 <@m0j0-j0j0> anybody with any art skilz?
13:45 <@m0j0-j0j0> reruns of Saved By The Bell
13:45 <@m0j0-j0j0> awesome
13:48 <@aestetix> dongz
13:52 <@m0j0-j0j0> it's a lot different having seen pics of all the members of the cast naked at some point in the last 20 years or so
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14:43 <@m0j0-j0j0> I think that people capitalizing on identity theft might be a bigger crime than identity theft itself
14:43 <@Corydon76-dig> I pay $25 a year for a rider on my homeowner's insurance
14:44 <@Corydon76-dig> I think that's worth peace of mind
14:46 < mgalgoci> amex has a decent service as well
14:47 <@Corydon76-dig> Once you understand that it's about managing risk, an insurance policy makes perfect sense
14:48 <@Corydon76-dig> There is NO service that can prevent identity theft
14:48 <@m0j0-j0j0> exactly
14:50 <@rhia> Corydon76-dig: being broke with bad credit and no real material assets helps, tho <g>
14:50 <@m0j0-j0j0> <G>
14:54 <@m0j0-j0j0> does anyone know of a car radio that provides touch screen output vai ps2 or usb?
14:54 < mgalgoci> they can still fuck your shit up
14:56 <@Corydon76-dig> mgalgoci: voice of experience?
14:56 < mgalgoci> no
14:57 <@m0j0-j0j0> Corydon76-dig: I've been there
14:57 <@m0j0-j0j0> mine was a easy fix
14:57 < mgalgoci> I'm probably going to go with the amex service
14:57 < mgalgoci> amex are bastards but they're bastards you want working for you
14:58 < mgalgoci> I mean that in a good way
14:59 <@Corydon76-dig> Heh
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15:47 <@brimstone> why'd you do that? he's sooooooooooo much more witty then the rest of us
15:47 <@mgalgoci> he'll be back
15:50 <@brimstone> i know :(
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16:11 <@rhia> holy *%^   - looking at pictures of the concert the lincoln memorial this weekend
16:12 <@rhia> Hanks was there, so Forrest got to meet another President <g>
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16:25 <@cerkit> This is a good photoshop: http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/230/1232163447241kk7.jpg
16:30 <@sdodson> FUCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCK
16:33 <@sdodson> I really had shit i needed to do today but alas that hasn't happened.
16:33 <@rhia> not midnight yet, coach hasn't turned back into a pumpkin
16:34 <@cerkit> I should stop doing this to myself.
16:34 <@cerkit> I look at this shit and want to drink.
16:35 <@cerkit> "Notional principal outstanding amounts for interest rate swaps and options and currency swaps were $69.2 trillion at the end of 2001 compared with $57.3 trillion at mid-year and $63.0 trillion at the end of 2000. "
16:35 <@cerkit> vs.
16:36 <@sdodson> This person's name is "Win Er"
16:36 <@cerkit> Notional amounts of interest rate derivatives outstanding grew 22 percent to $464.7 trillion in the first half of 2008. For the year as a whole, interest rate derivatives notionals rose 34 percent. The notional amount outstanding of credit default swaps (CDS) dropped 12 percent to $54.6 trillion in the first half of 2008. CDS notional growth was 20 percent for the year as a whole.
16:36 <@cerkit> and
16:36 <@cerkit> 2008 MID-YEAR MARKET SURVEY
16:36 <@cerkit> Notional amounts of interest rate derivatives outstanding grew 22 percent to $464.7 trillion in the first half of 2008. For the year as a whole, interest rate derivatives notionals rose 34 percent.
16:36 <@cerkit> The notional amount outstanding of credit default swaps (CDS) dropped 12 percent to $54.6 trillion in the first half of 2008. CDS notional growth was 20 percent for the year as a whole.
16:36 <@cerkit> Notional amounts of equity derivatives grew 19 percent to $11.9 trillion in the first half of 2008. The annual growth rate was 19 percent.
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16:38 < cerkit> That didn't go well
16:39 <@rhia> "Four stabbed at After-Party for Biggie Smalls Movie "Notorious""
16:39 < cerkit> Forgive my retarded asshattery
16:39 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o cerkit] by rhia
16:39 <@cerkit> rhia: Didn't it happen AT the presentation the star actor was at?
16:39 <@cerkit> Or is this another one?
16:40 <@rhia> at a NYC nightclub promoted as the official after party
16:40 <@mgalgoci> sup sdodson
16:40 <@mgalgoci> the after party is in my pants
16:40 <@mgalgoci> and you are all invited
16:40 <@cerkit> rhia: http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=us&q=violence+%22Notorious%22&btnG=Search+News
16:40 <@rhia> which the distributors are now claiming was not related to it
16:41 <@cerkit> theres a couple
16:41 <@sdodson> Damn, I failed to capitalize on that opportunity. I wanted to get stabbed at a rapper movie premier.
16:41 <@rhia> cerkit: just the reverse hypocrisy of stereotypical circumstances struck me from the headline & blurb
16:41 <@cerkit> Its so retarded.
16:42 <@mgalgoci> GO IGGLEZ!!!
16:42 <@cerkit> You go out to see a movie, relax in the company of others...
16:43 <@cerkit> People are so deranged they have to pretend they;re LIVING the movie.
16:43 <@sdodson> cerkit: There ain't no relax'n in thugg life nigga1!
16:43 <@mgalgoci> rhia: what part of texas are you in/from?
16:43 <@rhia> more as, if you don't want the reputation for a negative stereotype, quit promoting it or associating with people who flaunt it
16:43  * mgalgoci pops a cap in sdodson's ass
16:43 <@cerkit> sdodson: You gotta pay the cost to be the boss.
16:43 <@rhia> mgalgoci: from? GA - in TX following work
16:44 <@mgalgoci> werd
16:44 <@cerkit> rhia: Well, for some people, it might be interesting to understand how someone like that became what he was to those people.
16:44 <@mgalgoci> YEAH IGGLEZ!!!
16:44 <@rhia> mgalgoci: and just so thrilled to have W moving back - <cough><gack><cough>
16:45 <@cerkit> I'm not a fan of this particular movie, but, as an example, the Tupac movie was very interesting.
16:45 <@rhia> cerkit: could care less - i rarely watch movies - already stated what caught my attention from it
16:45 <@cerkit> I don't think watching a movie like that advocates a whole lifestyle.
16:46 <@cerkit> Well, do you think if you go to see it, you somehow support it?
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16:46 <@cerkit> That seemed to be your closing point.
16:47 <@mgalgoci> rhia: does W live near you?
16:47 <@rhia> cerkit: it's like Hindi's complaining about Bollywood not being indicative of the culture, then going to a Bollywood premiere and breaking out into huge song and dance routines
16:47 <@rhia> mgalgoci: like we've ever seen that kind of money
16:47 <@cerkit> Well, more fundementally, do you think you're guilty like that by association?
16:48 <@cerkit> I mean, if thats the case, art can't really exist, because it might reflect something bad, and then, if you view that, you're advocating it, etc... And I'm curious IF thats your stance, how you resolve that part of it.
16:48 <@rhia> cerkit: you are completely either missing my point or wanting to discuss a separate issue
16:48 <@rhia> either way, ~shrug~
16:48 <@cerkit> I must be.
16:50 <@sdodson> mgalgoci: sup
16:50 <@mgalgoci> nada
16:50 <@mgalgoci> just watching the eagles recover
16:51 <@mgalgoci> my folks are over, I have dinner in the oven
16:51 <@mgalgoci> a good evening all around
16:51 <@sdodson> mgalgoci: What'd you make?
16:51 <@mgalgoci> salmon rolls
16:51 <@mgalgoci> salmon wrapped around stuffing of some kind
16:51 <@sdodson> sounds good
16:51 <@mgalgoci> plus some pierogies
16:51 <@mgalgoci> and salad
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16:53 <@rhia> cerkit: s'ok, just really, Really need to quit fricking around with my system and get some stuff done today
16:54 <@sdodson> rhia: oh, getting rid of gentoo?
16:56 <@rhia> sdodson: for what? MS/Apple wannabebuntu?  nahhh
16:56 <@sdodson> "I looked back at my mail server logs for 2008 to see just how much email I did write. For 2008, it turned out that I wrote 19057 unique emails." fuck that's a lot of e-mail
16:56 <@sdodson> http://www.kroah.com/log/linux/email_summary_2008.html
16:57 <@rhia> sdodson: its an application annoying me, not the system
16:58 <@mgalgoci> I bet rhia runs debian stable
16:59 <@rhia> mgalgoci: how much? i could use winning the money
16:59 <@mgalgoci> hahahaha
16:59 <@mgalgoci> -0.05 dollars
17:01 <@rhia> mgalgoci: considering sdodson already mentioned the distro i run......
17:01 <@mgalgoci> as far as I know he was kidding
17:03 <@rhia> nah, he picks on me cuz  i snap his fragile preconceived prejudice - i'm not a ricer and in his world ONLY ricers run gentoo
17:03 <@sdodson> mgalgoci: no, it's really that bad :)
17:03 <@mgalgoci> rhia: is entropy the only thing preventing you from trying something else?
17:05 <@rhia> mgalgoci: nope - just prefer gentoo
17:05 <@mgalgoci> k
17:05 <@mgalgoci> you are entitled to your opinion
17:05 <@mgalgoci> that's cool
17:05 <@aestetix> vagina!
17:06 <@rhia> ran slack for years, occasionaly mess with other distros - settled on gentoo cuz it fits the way i use the system
17:07 <@sdodson> Everyone needs a bit of yak shaving in their lives.
17:07 <@rhia> still have theo's OS on a laptop somewhere around here - like it, too
17:08 <@rhia> would not want to be on street clean up detail in DC this week - sheesh
17:09 <@mgalgoci> sdodson: s/shavings/droppings/
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17:10 <@mgalgoci> rhia: I don't really care what you run I was just giving you a hard time. I'm sure you don't care either.
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17:11 <@mgalgoci> jfyi
17:11 <@sdodson> http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/Y/yak-shaving.html
17:11  * mgalgoci does not click on catb.org links
17:11 <@mgalgoci> esr is an assclown
17:12 <@mgalgoci> epic assclown
17:12 <@sdodson> "    Any seemingly pointless activity which is actually necessary to solve a problem which solves a problem which, several levels of recursion later, solves the real problem you're working on.
17:13 <@rhia> sdodson: interestingly, the app giving issues has more complaints on the unbunto & fedora forums - and more hoops to jump thru to fix it there than on the gentoo ones
17:13 <@mgalgoci> aestetix: ANUS
17:14 <@rhia> so, swing and a miss <g>
17:14 <@mgalgoci> ha
17:16 <@jb7od> man from the all-in-wonder box, my avi's look better than the dvd rips of the same thing. (watching gundam seed from ext usb)
17:17 <@jb7od> that's insane how much better.
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17:26 <@Corydon76-dig> [16:40:53] <mgalgoci> the after party is in my pants
17:26 <@Corydon76-dig> [16:40:57] <mgalgoci> and you are all invited
17:26 <@Corydon76-dig> mgalgoci: are you coming to Outerz0ne?
17:26 <@Corydon76-dig> That's an invitation I can't pass up
17:27 <@sdodson> And so it begins
17:29  * Corydon76-dig giggles
17:31 <@coil> fedora 10 wooo
17:34 <+ware> no.
17:35 <@coil> now i just gotta figure out how to get the x libraries installed -_-;
17:37 <@Corydon76-dig> coil: yum search xorg
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17:38 <@coil> yeah i did that and i didn't see anything that would fit x lib
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17:39 <@Corydon76-dig> coil: try x11
17:40 <@coil> hrm libX11-devel looks promising
17:41 <@Corydon76-dig> I was going to say... if that didn't net you a result, then Fedora's package names are really braindead
17:45 <@coil> well it got a lil farther on the ./configure script
17:45 <@coil> still says no x libraries installed
17:46 <@coil> im trying to compile kvirc btw
17:49 <@sdodson> coil: libx11 and libx11-devel
17:49 <@sdodson> libX11... sorry
17:49 <@coil> yeah i just installed both of those and that only got me a lil bit farther on the configure script
17:50 <@coil> checking for IceConnectionNumber in -lICE... no
17:50 <@Corydon76-dig> coil: why not just install the rpm?  http://dag.wieers.com/rpm/packages/kvirc/
17:51 <@ShadowHntr> or yum install kvirc
17:51 <@coil> well someone told me that kvirc wasn
17:51 <@coil> 't in yum
17:51 <@ShadowHntr> well try to install something else that uses X
17:51 <@ShadowHntr> like xchat
17:51 <+ware> ShadowHntr: did you really fall asleep on a conference call?
17:51 <@ShadowHntr> then you'll have everything you need to compile kvirc or whatever
17:51 <@Corydon76-dig> Even if it's not in the standard repos, you can add additional repos
17:51 <@ShadowHntr> *shrug*
17:52 <@coil> i have linva added
17:52 <@coil> and it's still not in there
17:53 <@coil> and that kvirc looks out of day
17:53 <@coil> date
17:53 <@coil> fc3 lol
17:53 <+ware> ShadowHntr: ?
17:53 <@Corydon76-dig> coil: if a new version is not released, they don't bother updating the rpm
17:54 <@coil> 3.2.0
17:54 <@Corydon76-dig> coil: all that really means is that fc3 was required
17:54 <@coil> and i have 3.4.2 source
17:54 <+ware> i thought almost everything was in the packages for fedora
17:56 <@sdodson> coil: http://tuxbrewr.fedorapeople.org/kvirc/kvirc-3.4.0-1.fc9.src.rpm
17:57 <@sdodson> then install rpmbuild, then rpmbuild --rebuild that
17:57 <@sdodson> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=451582
17:59 <@mgalgoci> TESTICLES
17:59 <@Corydon76-dig> yummy
17:59 <@sdodson> ahw, Corydon76-dig has a new friend
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18:00 <@Corydon76-dig> sdodson: he's married, with kids, isn't he?
18:00 <@coil> No package rpmbuild available.
18:00 <@coil> Nothing to do
18:00 <@sdodson> ya, the package is annoyingly named rpm-build whiel the tool is rpmbuild
18:01 <@sdodson> Corydon76-dig: ya
18:01 <@Corydon76-dig> sdodson: I do have to thank him for hiring you and getting you to stop sucking Ballmer's cock... or was that Vista?
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18:04  * sdodson shrugs
18:04  * mgalgoci stares
18:04 <@coil> hrm
18:05 <@coil> i guess it would be a good idea to install qt3-devel
18:05 <@sdodson> You could set up mock and mock would handle all the builddeps but i don't know how to set up mock off hand.
18:06 <@coil> oh that got it!
18:06 <@sdodson> It'll also take gigs ang gigs of drive space.
18:06 <@coil> it configured now
18:06 <@sdodson> no no no no, build an rpm
18:06 <@coil> wait i add what flag to make gcc do more threads
18:06 <@coil> cuz it's a core2duo
18:07 <@sdodson> -j
18:07 <@coil> wow look at all the text scroll
18:07 <@coil> compile baby, yeah!
18:08 <@coil> why build an rpm?
18:08 <@sdodson> So your installed software is managed sanely?
18:09 <@Corydon76-dig> Uh, did you just allude to Fedora and 'sane'?
18:10 <@Corydon76-dig> If he was sane, he'd be installing RHEL or CentOS, not Fedora
18:10 <@coil> i just wanted to check out f10
18:10 <@coil> cuz i just got this box runnin
18:11 <@coil> ima put archlinux on next
18:19 <@m0j0-j0j0> be lame.. run ubuntu like me
18:19 <@coil> oh trust me i am lame and i am running ubuntu
18:22 <@ShadowHntr> ubuntu's for n00bs
18:22 <@ShadowHntr> *ducks*
18:23 <@coil> or someone that doesn't want to constantly fuck with his desktop to make it work
18:23 <@Corydon76-dig> Hear, hear!
18:23 <+ware> ShadowHntr: did you really fall asleep on a conference call?
18:26 <@m0j0-j0j0> ware: that shit happens all the time
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18:40 <+ware> m0j0-j0j0: not when you snore on it
18:45 <@m0j0-j0j0> ware: no, we all mute
18:46 <+ware> you must be quite elite then.
18:46 <@m0j0-j0j0> ware: but occasionally you wake up in a different call then you went in to :)
18:46 <@m0j0-j0j0> ware: I don't sleep on calls
18:47 <+ware>  <@m0j0-j0j0> ware: no, we all mute
18:47 <+ware> who is we?
18:48 <@m0j0-j0j0> ware: well.. whoever isn't talking
18:49 <@Peaches84> hello'
18:50 <@m0j0-j0j0> Peaches84: hey hey
18:50 <@sdodson> Then you end up with "So is that right, Scott?" <5 seconds of silence> "Scott?" "Ya, sorry, was muted"
18:52 <@m0j0-j0j0> that happens some times, but in general we don't ask many questions in one persons direction
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18:52 <@coil> hey guys look at the new tattoo i just got http://i41.tinypic.com/2ajdwy1.jpg (nsfw)
18:53 <@m0j0-j0j0> teehee
18:54 <@m0j0-j0j0> go gay white power
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19:00 <+ware> m0j0-j0j0: http://abstract.quadspeedi.net/~w/lolmojo.gif
19:02 <@m0j0-j0j0> ware: little bit of decapitation going on..but  thanks(?)
19:02 <+ware> lol mojo
19:02 <+ware> like an all knowing floaty head of knowledge
19:03  * ware approves
19:03 <@Peaches84> how is everyone doing
19:03 <+ware> ! peaches i heard you won a wii
19:03 <+ware> from dave and busters
19:04 <@coil> ware i like it
19:04 <@coil> i approve too
19:04 <@m0j0-j0j0> you should take a picture so that we can all see Peaches wii
19:05 <@Peaches84> lol
19:05 <@Peaches84> yall are silly yeah we won a wii we were playing bowling on it last night
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19:09 <@Peaches84> is everyone staying warm tonight
19:09 <+ware> yeah!
19:09 <@m0j0-j0j0> not really, but 'm about to light a few fires
19:09 <+ware> http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v2079/170/85/506303218/n506303218_1960954_1159.jpg
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19:09 <+ware> got a lil campy camp last night, kayaked out to an island on percy priest
19:10 < Someninjaiphone_> Did you get some man lovin
19:10 <@Peaches84> ware is that ur thong and harness in that tree
19:11 <+ware> yes and yes
19:11 <@Peaches84> lord
19:11 <@Peaches84> i am sure you had fun was u alone
19:11 <@Peaches84> are was the beavers playing along
19:11 <+ware> my roomie came with
19:12 <+ware> no beavers =/
19:12 <@Peaches84> aww
19:12 <@Peaches84> how did he like the trip
19:12 <@Peaches84> did you get cold
19:12 <@Peaches84> or did you use some of that warming lube
19:12 <+ware> nerp it was only 40F at night, it was 20 something when we put in on the other side of the lake tho
19:12 <+ware> and we had a 25-30mph headwind with ~2ft chop in the lake
19:13 <+ware> handwarmers aint lube
19:13 <@Peaches84> mmm well thats not to bad
19:13 <@Peaches84> lol
19:15 <@m0j0-j0j0> ware: it's been a million years since I've gone camping
19:15 <@m0j0-j0j0> ware:I hate camping when its too cold
19:15 <@m0j0-j0j0> or raining
19:16 <@m0j0-j0j0> setting up in the rain or snow is the worsst
19:16 <+ware> yuh
19:16 <@Peaches84> i haven't been camping since i was like 8 or9
19:16 <+ware> it wasnt bad last night at all tho
19:16 <+ware> 40F is comfortable
19:16 <@Peaches84> well i was in boyscouts and i remember that it snowed one night and the little homophobic kids tent fell on him i don't know how that happened
19:17 <@m0j0-j0j0> wait.. that cant be true....homophobic kids aren't in the scouts
19:18 <@m0j0-j0j0> they are too busy getting tattoos of gay rainbow white power unicorns on their ass.
19:18 <@coil> im not homophobic though
19:18 <@Peaches84> lol
19:18 <@coil> so i dont see the connection
19:19 < Someninjaiphone_> Haha
19:19 <@Peaches84> do you have a rainbow unicorn tattoo
19:20 <@m0j0-j0j0> Peaches84: (07:52:50 PM) coil: hey guys look at the new tattoo i just got http://i41.tinypic.com/2ajdwy1.jpg (nsfw)
19:20 <@coil> he's seen it before
19:20 <@coil> in the other chan
19:21 <@Peaches84> lol
19:21 <@Peaches84> u didn't get that tattoo
19:22 <+ware> ugg i gotta goto new york tuesday morning
19:22 <+ware> for a week
19:22 <+ware> its gonna be cold as fuck
19:22 < Someninjaiphone_> When are you moving to bolder
19:22 <+ware> summerish
19:22 <+ware> springish
19:22 <+ware> savin money
19:23 <@m0j0-j0j0> ware: thermal underpants
19:23 <@Peaches84> mmm
19:23 <@Peaches84> and a metal cockring
19:23 <@Peaches84> lol
19:28 <@m0j0-j0j0> Peaches84: do they come in aluminum so you don't get stuck?
19:30 <@Peaches84> mmmm not sure lol
19:31 <@timoguin> I want a metal cockring.
19:31 <@m0j0-j0j0> I'm not sure that I understand the point
19:31 <@Peaches84> the point of what
19:32 <@m0j0-j0j0> cockrings
19:32 <@m0j0-j0j0> decoration?
19:32 <@timoguin> Traps more blood in your cock.
19:32 <@timoguin> Bigger, harder erection.
19:32 <@timoguin> Makes you come different.
19:33 <@timoguin> *differently
19:33 <@m0j0-j0j0> like in colors?
19:33 <@coil> rofl
19:33 <@coil> rainbow colors
19:33 <@coil> yeah
19:33 <@coil> it's some cool shit
19:34 <@timoguin> Yes, it makes you come in colors.
19:34 <@Peaches84> so taste the rainbow
19:34 <@timoguin> They tend to make you last longer as well.
19:34 <@timoguin> Plus they look cool.
19:35 <@m0j0-j0j0> it just seems like it would keep you from getting everything all the way up in
19:35 <@timoguin> Depends on the cockring.
19:35 <@timoguin> The ones I have are rubber.
19:35 <@timoguin> Don't get in the way at all.
19:36 <@Peaches84> yeah they can look hot never slept with a guy that had one on thou
19:36 <@Peaches84> i just don't understand the devider ones
19:36 <@tzanger> if the thing's a half inch thick, then it's gonna keep you from going that last 1/2 inch
19:38 <@timoguin> Peaches84: The divider ones?  The ones that divide your balls?
19:38 <@Peaches84> yeah the ones that divide your balls and  your cock
19:38 <@timoguin> oh
19:39 <@timoguin> well, try reaching down and gripping you ballsack at the base when you're masturbating sometime if you haven't
19:39 <@timoguin> lolsextalk
19:39 <@timoguin> sextalklol
19:40 <@Peaches84> yeah i know what that feels like
19:40 <@timoguin> your balls tend to pull in close to your body when you come
19:40 <@timoguin> and forcing them to stay out usually makes you come harder
19:41 <@Peaches84> look its like a dog harness
19:41 <@Peaches84> http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https://shop.textalk.se/shop/1981/img61/181761/181761-rescaledtn-104x97.jpg&imgrefurl=https://shop.textalk.se/se/artgrp.php%3Fid%3D2074%26grp%3D48109%26new_currency%3D41&usg=__M3zinnzhSd6K4BbKQ4TRAj_ZAvk=&h=97&w=104&sz=3&hl=en&start=12&tbnid=Tzq8W3X6wx1EhM:&tbnh=78&tbnw=84&prev=/images%3Fq%3Ddivider%2Bcockrings%26gbv%3D2%26ndsp%3D20%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN
19:42 <@coil> Penis/ball rings, metal rings, diam 35 and 50 mm.
19:42 <@coil> i like that one
19:42 <@Peaches84> yeah lol
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19:44 <@timoguin> ballstretcher roaaaarrrr!
19:44 <@timoguin> because i want my balls to hang as low as my cock!
19:45 <@Peaches84> do you really tim
19:45 <@timoguin> i have the "jelly turtle" one down at the bottom
19:45 <@timoguin> or one like it
19:45 <@timoguin> no, not really
19:45 <@timoguin> I used it like twice... got in the way more than anything.
19:46 <@Peaches84> here look for the drag queen at heart
19:46 <@Peaches84> http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https://shop.textalk.se/shop/1981/img61/181761/181761-rescaledtn-104x97.jpg&imgrefurl=https://shop.textalk.se/se/artgrp.php%3Fid%3D2074%26grp%3D48109%26new_currency%3D41&usg=__M3zinnzhSd6K4BbKQ4TRAj_ZAvk=&h=97&w=104&sz=3&hl=en&start=12&tbnid=Tzq8W3X6wx1EhM:&tbnh=78&tbnw=84&prev=/images%3Fq%3Ddivider%2Bcockrings%26gbv%3D2%26ndsp%3D20%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN
19:47 <@m0j0-j0j0> I generally figure that knowledge is a good thing... but I think for the evening I've got enough information
19:47 <@Peaches84> lord lol
19:47 <@Peaches84> ok
19:47 <@timoguin> m0j0-j0j0: you asked...
19:47 <@Peaches84> just wanted to keep you informed of the up and coming changes
19:48 <@Peaches84> lol
19:48 <@m0j0-j0j0> timoguin: yeah
19:48 <@timoguin> Now you know about sex*10.
19:48 <@timoguin> or maybe sex^2
19:48 <@Peaches84> you know i feel sorry for the poor person that has to put all those cock rings on that dildo lol
19:49 <@timoguin> Peaches84: Not when you realize that same person probably makes good money selling them.
19:49 <@Peaches84> yeah well that is true
19:50 <@timoguin> I made some gymnastics rings out of pvc today.
19:50 <@timoguin> I'm proud of myself.
19:50 <@Peaches84> aww awsome
19:50 <@m0j0-j0j0> so...do you keep it on and then when you drop trou it's just a "bam" or do you run to the bathroom just before
19:50 <@Peaches84> what when u are wearing a cock ring you wear it most of the time
19:50 <@timoguin> I have no idea what you're asking.
19:51 <@Corydon76-dig> What's truly funny is a guy like m0j0-j0j0 telling you that that's too much jewelry
19:51 <@Peaches84> yeah i was wondering that
19:51 <@Corydon76-dig> m0j0-j0j0: Most guys wear them all the time.
19:52 <@timoguin> I only use mine occasionally.
19:52 <@Corydon76-dig> m0j0-j0j0: gets humorous at airport security
19:52 <@timoguin> You have to put it on before you're erect though.
19:52 <@m0j0-j0j0> Corydon76-dig: I didn't say too much jewelery.. I just didn't know if that was the point
19:52 <@timoguin> Well depending on what kidn it is.
19:52 <@timoguin> I like the ones that go around kokinballs
19:53 <@Corydon76-dig> The danger in cockrings is that you may grow dependent and be unable to achieve an erection without one
19:53 <@timoguin> yeppp that's why i only use mine every now and then.
19:53 <@Corydon76-dig> However, depending upon your company, that may be a good thing
19:54 <@timoguin> Corydon76-dig: hahahaha
19:54 <@Peaches84> yeah
19:54 <@timoguin> "Oooopppps I forgot my cock ring guess we can't have sexxx... awww shuuuucks"
19:54 <@Peaches84>  lol
19:54 <@Corydon76-dig> Avoid an embarassing erection at work...
19:55 <@Peaches84> i think we have had one of those at one time or another
19:55 <@timoguin> That doesn't stop in high school?
19:55 <@Peaches84> lol
19:55 <@timoguin> "Tim do you want to answer this question on the board?"
19:56 <@timoguin> *shakes head*
19:56 <@Corydon76-dig> timoguin: I wish it stopped in middle school
19:56 <@timoguin> If only I'd known in high school that it would have gotten me laid.
19:56 <@timoguin> By the teacher...
19:57 <@timoguin> "I'll answer!"
19:57 <@timoguin> *confident stroll*
19:57 <@Peaches84> lol
19:57 <@timoguin> "Now if you'll see here *point* that x does not equal b here *point*"
19:58 <@Peaches84> lol
20:00 <@timoguin> *confident stroll back to desk*
20:00 <@mgalgoci> turn on NBV
20:00 <@mgalgoci> NBC
20:01 <@Corydon76-dig> A friend from HS used to have a strap-on for his leg (for appearance's sake)... walked around with a lump in his jeans that extended almost all the way down to his knee
20:02 <@Peaches84> loll thats funny
20:02 <@timoguin> haha
20:02 <@timoguin> yea until some girl expects that and actually takes off his pants
20:02 <@timoguin> to supreme disappointment
20:03 <@timoguin> it's like saying, "Yea it's 9 inches it's 9 inches."
20:03 <@timoguin> and it's actually 5.
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20:03 <@Corydon76-dig> The last time he wore it, he was wearing shorts on the boardwalk, and an old lady seemed to get this weird crick in her back
20:03 <@Peaches84> ya thats dissapointing
20:03 <@Corydon76-dig> His mother took it away from him after that
20:04 <@Peaches84> aww poor thing
20:04 <@timoguin> hahaha
20:04 <@Peaches84> his mom probally started using it
20:04 <@timoguin> "Mom, you can't take my strap-on!"
20:05 <@Peaches84> lol
20:12 <@m0j0-j0j0> well.. I think I'm going to go make a meatloaf
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20:16 <@m0j0-j0j0> while I'm away the topic should be: vampires - seductive and sexy or diseased filled rodents?  Discuss.
20:20 <@Peaches84> lol
20:24 <@Peaches84> seductive and sexy
20:24 <@timoguin> Tortured souls!
20:44 <@cerkit> Oh shit, vampires are real!?
20:44  * cerkit runs
20:46 <@timoguin> Go watch Let the Right One In.
20:46 <@timoguin> Gooooood vampire movie.
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21:17 <@rhia> good vampire movie -- oxymoron?
21:19 <@rhia> Nosferatu to Twilight  =/
21:20 <@rhia> throw in the 50s to 70s vamps and the nails are kinda cool, other than that, eh
21:21 <@m0j0-j0j0> my dogs are retarded
21:21 <@m0j0-j0j0> brb
21:22 <@rhia> tho they do seem to have a certain flair for ensembles
21:25 <@timoguin> rhia: No, watch Let the Right One In.
21:25 <@timoguin> It's a good vampire movie.
21:25 <@timoguin> No Twilight shit.
21:26 <@timoguin> It's Swedish.
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22:45 <@mgalgoci> hi Mercster
22:47 <@mgalgoci> http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r155/Cleinhun/DSCN1041.jpg
22:47 <@mgalgoci> roflol
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22:51 <@timoguin> hah
22:51 <@timoguin> that wouldn't work. =)
22:51 <@timoguin> i've gone through drive throughs kinda like that
22:52 <@timoguin> did it one time with me and three friends all arranged in a square
22:52 <@timoguin> like we were all in our proper car seats
22:52 <@timoguin> pulled up and ordered with the car
22:52 <@timoguin> then parked it and walked up
22:59 < Mercster> hiii
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23:09  * rhia makes the latest futile attempt to keep felines from keyboards - sigh
23:10 < Mercster> they require discipline
23:10 <@rhia> there's a reason cat herding is synonymous with futility
23:11 <@rhia> i ran a couple of hacker cons, i know of the futility of herding cats
23:11 < Mercster> i dunno, i only have one, but she's disciplined pretty well
23:11 <@rhia> still burying her food?
23:11 < Mercster> all i have to give is a "NO" and she knows what to do
23:11 <@rhia> mine are excellent cats, they just like wandering across my desk
23:12 <@rhia> they don't get on the counters, or climb the curtains, or the numerous other issues people have
23:12 < Mercster> my cat knows not to get up on the desk. sometimes she sneaks if im not at the desk...but i say "NO" and she immediately gets down
23:12 < Mercster> rhia: thats good
23:12 <@rhia> but, mama's desk is sooo interesting - that's where mama is!
23:12 < Mercster> yeah i imagine cats are drawn to desks cuz we're at them so much
23:12 < Mercster> yeah
23:12 < Mercster> exactly
23:12 < Mercster> something must be interesting up here
23:12 < Mercster> raw fish
23:13 <@rhia> and i was headed to bed when he walked across the keyboard and shutdown xchat and gedit
23:13 < Mercster> heh
23:14 <@rhia> as noted, i was headed to bed
23:14 <@rhia> g'nite
23:14 < Mercster> byyyeeeee
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