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00:20 <@polerin> holy shit it's a johnnyx
00:25 <@ShadowHntr> wow
00:25 <@ShadowHntr> long time no see
00:34 <@scort> does blackberry perl have internet?
00:37 <@ShadowHntr> dunno
00:37 <@ShadowHntr> don't have one
00:37  * ShadowHntr still has a dinosaur for a phone - Nokia 6010 :)
00:48 < eryc> my webcam is live!
00:49 <@rhia> jonnyx is only an illusion unless he speaks
00:49 <@jb7od> Quick, ShadowHuntr, to the dinophone!
00:49 <@rhia> the ghost in the machine <g>
00:50 < eryc> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/ericlive
00:50 <@ShadowHntr> rhia: hehehe :]
00:54  * eryc flashes the webcam
01:01  * dasunt has vodka.
01:01 <@ShadowHntr> lucky you.
01:01 <@ShadowHntr> :]
01:08 <@dasunt> Come over, I'll share.
01:08 <@dasunt> Assuming you are female.
01:10 < Mercster> soup is good food
01:11 <@rhia> dasunt: had it on sale here - 750 for 15 or twice that for 18 .... hmmm... tough decision (not really)
01:11 <@dasunt> I got Karkov.
01:11 <@dasunt> It's shit.
01:11 <@dasunt> But it mixes well.
01:12 <@rhia> with grapefruit juice, maybe
01:12 <@rhia> well, at least its not Mr Boston or Taaka
01:13 <@ShadowHntr> lol
01:13 <@rhia> vodka should be smooth enough to take two shots before "WTF is this?" <g>
01:14 <@rhia> cheapest i'll buy is Smirnoff - and NOT for straight shots
01:15 <@dasunt> Picky.
01:15 <@rhia> Mr Boston is good for sterilizing wounds, but not drinking <g>
01:15 <@dasunt> I need a cheaper drunk.
01:15 <@rhia> dasunt: not hardly, just know the difference in hangovers or the lack thereof ;)
01:15 < Mercster> kamachatka
01:15 < Mercster> i.e. komeandgetcha
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01:16 < Mercster> rhia: the difference between cheap vodka and expensive vodka is pretty small, compared to most other spirits
01:16 <@rhia> best vodka i've had is small label a polish potato vodka
01:16 <@ShadowHntr> at least i found a good hangover cure
01:16 < Mercster> i.e. gin, or whiskeys
01:16 <@dasunt> rhia: I don't get hangovers.
01:17 <@rhia> Mercster: the difference is the filtering - and it is rather large - cheap ==hangover, good == no hangover -  (if you're smart and drink water)
01:18 <@rhia> dasunt: try a fifth of Mr Boston in one night, then get back to me on that <G>
01:18 <@dasunt> er?
01:18 < Mercster> rhia: hangovers are mostly caused by the adulterants in a liquor; since vodka is meant to have none (no extra flavorings, etc) vodka hangovers are rare, unless you're a wuss
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01:18 <@dasunt> i kick ass on drinking.
01:18 <@dasunt> http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/4/15/lonelycatinfl128527622097812500.jpg
01:19 <@rhia> ShadowHntr: best hangover cure is water BEFORE going to bed, a lot of water
01:19 <@ShadowHntr> rhia: true, that works most of the time.
01:19 < Mercster> i drank rotgut vodka for years, and lots of it...hangovers werent a problem, my pancreas dying was though
01:19 < Mercster> yeah water is the best hangover cure
01:19 < Mercster> flush out a bit and stay hydrated
01:19 <@dasunt> Fluids are good.
01:19 <@rhia> Mercster: liver would be hit before the pancreas
01:19  * dasunt worries about his liver.
01:19 < Mercster> rhia: well, sure, but you can drink for years and ruin your liver, if you get pancreatitis, you cant go on
01:19 <@rhia> if you killed the pancreas by drinking, kiss the liver goodbye
01:20 < Mercster> im sure my liver is fucked, but my pancreas is what cried "uncle"
01:20 < Mercster> acutely
01:20 <@rhia> yeah, sure, whatever Mercster the expert on all things says
01:20 < Mercster> i drank 2 pints a day for years
01:20 < Mercster> trust me
01:20 <@rhia> won't argue, life is too short to argue with a complete know it all
01:21 < Mercster> i got pancreatitis, and my liver wasnt what stopped me drinking vodka
01:21 < Mercster> it was my pancreas
01:21 < Mercster> i was there, sweety
01:21 <@dasunt> i'm not up to two pints yet.
01:21 <@rhia> good, fine
01:21 <@rhia> dasunt: amateur
01:21 <@rhia> dasunt: heh
01:21 < Mercster> i wouldnt recommend it
01:22 <@dasunt> I'm up to "who the fuck drank the last of this?" though.
01:22 <@rhia> Mercster was there when Gore invented the internet and when God created the rest of the world
01:22 < Mercster> rhia: you can have chronic alcoholic hepatitis but it isnt an acute thing, you can go on ruining your liver for years before it ultimately fails and you die, and there's usually not a whole lot of pain involved. if your pancreas starts to go to shit, the syndrome is acute, much pain is involved, and drinking is plain impossible
01:23 < Mercster> sorry you hate to be corrected *shrug*
01:23  * ShadowHntr is getting tired of the "Gore invented the Internet" twisting his words gag :P
01:23 <@rhia> dasunt: if you can't remember finishing the bottle, walk away for a few weeks
01:23 <@rhia> Mercster: whatever floats your boat
01:23 < Mercster> rhia's copycatting someone else who doesnt like to be corrected and started bagging on me for knowing what the fuck im talking about
01:23 <@dasunt> rhia: Why?
01:23 <@rhia> Mercster: you seem to require being right - so, you can have it most of the time
01:24 <@rhia> dasunt: old alkie joke, sorry
01:24 <@dasunt> Ah.
01:24 <@dasunt> But I enjoy my alcoholism.
01:24 < Mercster> rhia: well, in this case i am. ever had alchoholic hepatitis?  ever had pancreatitis? ever been an alchoholic? ever drank 2 pints a day for a period of ~3 years?
01:24 < Mercster> rhia: do you think im lying to sound smart?
01:24 <@rhia> Mercster: you COMPLETELY have no idea who you're talking to
01:25 < Mercster> me being right isnt a crime, unless im lying or ignorant
01:25 < Mercster> rhia: answer the questions, or you're full of shit
01:25 < Mercster> rhia: well, in this case i am. ever had alchoholic hepatitis?  ever had pancreatitis? ever been an alchoholic? ever drank 2 pints a day for a period of ~3 years?
01:25 < Mercster> if you have, great, you can call bullshit on me
01:25 <@rhia> off the wagon, 7 gallons, yes, Gallons a week pre wagon, MUCH less, but still too much now
01:25 < Mercster> if you havent, well
01:25 < Mercster> shut up
01:26 < Mercster> everyone's bodies are different, just because your pancreas never shat out doesnt mean mine didnt
01:26 < Mercster> get over yourself
01:26 <@rhia> so, Mercster you shut up - or i'll drink you under the table, strip you down, sharpie your ass, and steal your wallet <G>
01:26 <@dasunt> You are making me feel bad about drinking.
01:26 <@dasunt> :(\
01:26 < Mercster> i dont drink liquor anymore
01:26 <@dasunt> Meanies.
01:26 <@dasunt> I'm at peace now otherwise.
01:27 <@rhia> dasunt: for every drink, 4 oz of water - and some carbos .. and
01:27 <@dasunt> I tend to mix my drinks well.
01:27 <@rhia> dasunt: keep the booze in a $@#^&# hard to reach area and only mix/make one at the time
01:27 <@rhia> and put it all back Before drinking it
01:28 < Mercster> dasunt: i drank my pints-per-day mixed with soda or koolaid...dont let that fool you
01:28 <@dasunt> rhia: I tend to make a full glass.
01:28 <@dasunt> About 2 shots of whatever + mixer.
01:28 <@dasunt> Gaw.
01:28 < Mercster> heh, thats about what i did. just, all day long :)
01:28 < Mercster> day after day
01:28 <@dasunt> well, I'm drunk, so time to play with IM injections.
01:28 <@dasunt> God hates me.
01:28 <@dasunt> BRB.
01:28 <@rhia> like, over the fridge behind the toaster oven and paper towels, and behind the tin foil etc in the cabinet
01:29 <@rhia> Mercster: yes, alkie, so?
01:30 <@rhia> Mercster: you know, sometimes, you AREN'T the biggest baddest most expert in everything --- sorry if that makes your dick appear lifesize
01:31 < Mercster> rhia: yes, that's true. that doesnt mean you know the first fucking thing about what i DO know
01:31 < Mercster> so shut your mouth unless im obviously falsifiable
01:31 < Mercster> i dunno why people hate hearing shit they dont know
01:31 < Mercster> suck it up
01:31 < Mercster> im not gonna hold back on things i know because im afraid some internet dweeb is going to feel insecure about it
01:32 < jb7od> +10 points for dweeb
01:32 < Mercster> you're the one wagging your pseudo-cock around about how my liver would fail before my pancreas would
01:32 < Mercster> sorry
01:32 < Mercster> BZZZT
01:32 < Mercster> wrong
01:32 < Mercster> this is an easy won to win, i can just cut and paste
01:32 < Mercster> rhia: you know, sometimes, you AREN'T the biggest baddest most expert in everything --- sorry if that makes  your dick appear lifesize
01:33  * Mercster kicks the dust off his shoes
01:33 <@rhia> who's the copycat?
01:34 < Mercster> shhh
01:34 <@rhia> and, if your pancreas went first you probably had other issues than just 2 pints a day
01:34 < Mercster> you've been told
01:34 < Mercster> it's time to be quiet
01:34 < Mercster> quit while you're behind
01:35 <@rhia> Mercster: behind the truth, yeah
01:35 <@rhia> no problem
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01:35 <@rhia> go ahead, wave your insufficiency's around
01:35 <@rhia> in the meantime, i've got better things to do
01:36  * Mercster golfclaps
01:36 <@rhia> Mercster: you can have the win - i do not car
01:36 <@dasunt> Back.
01:37 <@rhia> go on, celebrate, have your time in the sun, wax your little medals
01:37  * Mercster stares
01:37 <@rhia> Mercster: you really are a sad little creature
01:37 <@dasunt> Managed to bleed like a stuck pig as well.
01:38 <@rhia> dasunt: bleed?
01:38 < Mercster> dasunt: what do you take IM for?
01:38 <@dasunt> Mercster: I take something IM because God hates me.
01:38 < Mercster> dasunt: suck
01:38 <@rhia> dasunt:  to open the bottle, twist the cap, don't rap it on the countertop
01:38 <@dasunt> And I bleed like a stuck pig because my heritage means I don't clot well.
01:38 <@dasunt> On the plus side, my family history has a remarkable absence of heart attacks and strokes.
01:39 < Mercster> it's always something
01:44 <@dasunt> we live to our 80s.
01:44 <@dasunt> If we don't drink ourselves to death.
01:45 < Mercster> think of it this way; if the drinking takes some years of your allocated 80, you're just saving yourself those final years in a nursing home, miserable, when your family doesnt visit you and the food is bad
01:47 <@dasunt> My family would visit.
01:50 < Mercster> that's good
01:51 <@dasunt> Yep.
01:52 < Mercster> it remains to be seen how much my kids will hate me when they grow up
01:53 < Mercster> heh...reminds me of the bill cosby joke, why the parents who treated you like shit are so nice to their grandkids
01:53 < Mercster> they're trying to get into heaven!
01:53 <@dasunt> I don't have kids.
01:54 <@dasunt> That's 'cause I'm awesome.
01:56 < Mercster> you should get some, you can train them to mix your drinks for you
01:57 <@dasunt> I'd rather not.
01:57 <@dasunt> If I procreate, I want to raise my kids.
01:57 <@dasunt> And I don't trust lvoe to last long enough to do so.
02:00 < Mercster> deep
02:00  * Mercster cracks open another beer
02:27  * eryc waves his pseudocock around
02:30 <@dasunt> not big enough.
02:30 <@dasunt> Talk about drinking more.
02:37  * jb7od rubs around down there looking for his pseudopuss...
02:38 <@jb7od> there it is...
02:38 <@jb7od> whew.. for a second i thought i was wierd.
02:38 < Mercster> mmmm
02:38 <@jb7od> lol
02:39 <@jb7od> that's the new shit for 09
02:39 < Mercster> all this pseudogenitals
02:39 <@jb7od> corydon's into pseudopuss.
02:39 < Mercster> jb7od: he likes large pseudopuss with balls hanging off of it
02:40 <@dasunt> I was driving in a car with a friend this weekend.
02:40 <@jb7od> i meant it like ur butthole is ur pseudopuss if i have to just come out and say it.. get it get it?
02:41 < Mercster> jb7od: ohhhh
02:41 <@dasunt> And I said something like "lets go to <place> to eat".
02:41 <@dasunt> A few minutes pass.
02:41 <@dasunt> Then I say "yep, that's a good idea".
02:41 < Mercster> jb7od: i try not to let buttholes come to mind easily
02:41 <@jb7od> pseudo=false
02:41 <@dasunt> Er, ne'ermind, this story is boring.
02:41 <@jb7od> na really
02:41 <@jb7od> you went to eat
02:41 <@jb7od> ..
02:41 < Mercster> dasunt: we're with ya bro
02:41 <@dasunt> Too drunk to continue.
02:42 <@jb7od> na i can read every word of that sentance-
02:42 <@dasunt> Also, I just realized it relies on in jokes and whatnot.
02:42 <@jb7od> AH
02:44 <@dasunt>  Yah.
02:44 <@jb7od> let me get a lil further into these fat tires and i'll laugh anyway.
02:44 <@dasunt> since I doubt anyone grew up in the same area I did, it is probably useless.
02:45  * Mercster comforts dasunt 
02:50 <@dasunt> I don't need comfort.
02:54 < Mercster> you cold bastard
02:55 < Mercster> you wuz my bruddah
02:55 < Mercster> you shoulda looked after me a little bit
02:55 < Mercster> you shoulda took care of me a little bit
02:55 < Mercster> so i didnt have to take dem dives for the short term money
02:56 < Mercster> i coulda been somebody
02:56 < Mercster> i coulda been a contender
02:56 < Mercster> but what do i get? a one way ticket to palookaville
02:57 < Mercster> it wuz you, charlie
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03:27 <@scort> fedora 10 cooL?
03:28 < Mercster> it's decent
03:28 < Mercster> much better than it was ~2 weeks after release
03:29 < Mercster> i installed it ~3 days ago, no major fuckups yet
03:29 < Mercster> quite good
03:31 <@scort> i just dl the live cd
03:31 < Mercster> i installed from dvd
03:32 <@scort> i dont have any dvd-r
03:32 < Mercster> i installed FC10 about 2 weeks after it was released, and it was clownboat cluster-fuck after clusterfuck
03:32 < Mercster> but it seems they've gotten past most of the badness
03:32 <@scort> word
03:44 < Mercster> just 'yum update' as soon as possible ;-)
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04:46 <@NotLarry> Dagmar: are you there?
04:49 <@jb7od> somewhere around here i have all of fc6 on disks.
04:51 <@jb7od> iirc it was the first distro i ever put on at work that would join AD.
04:53 <@jb7od> it was funny because in the Computers list it was the _only_ thing with a lowercase machine name.
04:55  * jb7od will trade a whole box of modems for 2 matching sticks of rd for my daughters comp.
04:58 < Mercster> v90?
05:00 <@jb7od> not sure yet and am untrustworthily drunk to go check. i really didn't exepect anything but "lol" if anything at all.
05:00 < Mercster> ;-)
05:00 < Mercster> im drunk too, im surprised i remembered what v90 was
05:00 <@jb7od> whatever the p4 dell optiplex's run.
05:01 <@jb7od> lol i'll go get my service tag
05:01 <@jb7od> sike
05:01 <@jb7od> lol i said run. i mean ran.
05:01 < Mercster> see jb7od run
05:01 < Mercster> see jb7od lol
05:02 <@jb7od> haha
05:02 <@jb7od> i'm doing something else dumb too. i'm setting up a box for the tv because somebody gave me a _complete_ allinwonder
05:03 < Mercster> nice
05:03 < Mercster> i see mythtv in your future
05:03 <@jb7od> idk if it supports the all in piece of shit.
05:03 < Mercster> well, if linux does
05:03 < Mercster> i remember at one time linux did not, but, that was quite a few years ago
05:03 <@jb7od> but it will save me disks piratebay->tv.
05:04 <@jb7od> if it can be done, i'm happy to but i've been under the impression it won't. (pops a google)
05:04 < Mercster> id guess linux will grok it
05:04 < Mercster> at this point
05:04 < Mercster> i have a tv card...if i ever get a new computer ill probably turn this one into mythtv
05:04 < Mercster> my vidcard has s-video out
05:04 < Mercster> i used to use a laptop as mythtv frontend
05:05 <@jb7od> shit i stand corrected.
05:05 < Mercster> yeah, its been quite some time since those werent supported
05:05 <@jb7od> lol
05:05 <@jb7od> well i'm glad to be wrong.
05:05 <@jb7od> lol
05:05 < Mercster> yaay
05:06  * jb7od goes for final beer in frigid garage.
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05:09 <@jb7od> what a day what a day
05:10 <@jb7od> okay Mercster, here's one. have you noticed alot of extra negativity in this new year?
05:10 < Mercster> not really
05:11 <@jb7od> right on.
05:11 < Mercster> sadsacks will continue to be sadsacks
05:11 < Mercster> i aint tryin to hear that, see
05:11 <@jb7od> i'm seeing lots of extra bitching in my quadrant.
05:11 < Mercster> well, the economy sucks
05:12 < Mercster> so i guess maybe people are in bad moods
05:12 <@jb7od> Aye.
05:12 <@jb7od> i wanted so bad to be happy it's a new year and there's a bunch of ppl in my periphery that are not on board.
05:12 < Mercster> i just keep on keepin on
05:12 < Mercster> eh
05:12 < Mercster> everyone sails their own ship...tell 'em, have a good trip
05:13 < Mercster> other people's shitty outlook can only affect you if you let it
05:13 <@jb7od> layoffs are a motherfucker. this guy at the convienece store i go to said on friday during the banter (he's some kind of middle eastern) "how's your job?"
05:13 <@jb7od> i said fine and it is because we're all doing 3 ppls worth of shit.
05:14 < Mercster> heh
05:14 < Mercster> i feel ya, as a unix admin there has definitely been a crunch. noone hires admins anymore, they just expect the core devel team to do it themselves
05:14 < Mercster> why hire someone else
05:14 <@jb7od> a few weeks ago he quizzed me on how to properly say "congratulations" and i left him with it written, and written phonetically beneath, and still not saying it right.
05:14 < Mercster> companies used to have devel teams, admin teams, network teams, QA teams
05:14 < Mercster> now, there's one team
05:15 < Mercster> heh
05:15 <@jb7od> lomfl
05:15 <@jb7od> you said one team
05:15 <@jb7od> ibm put out "the one team initiative"
05:15 < Mercster> i think things work best when duties/responsibilities are divided
05:15 < Mercster> but, thats not always possible
05:16 <@jb7od> where we're supposed to forget about the company ties and work with ibm, se, keane, wipro and who the fuck ever under the mantra "one team"
05:16 < Mercster> eh
05:16 < Mercster> look out for #1
05:16 < Mercster> everyone else is
05:17 <@jb7od> na at work i look out for everybody else. this makes me a masochist.
05:18 <@jb7od> i get thanked all day during the reaming though.
05:18 < Mercster> well yeah
05:18 <@jb7od> you get slashdot?
05:18 < Mercster> within a team, its good to work together
05:18 < Mercster> i stopped reading slashdot years ago
05:18 <@jb7od> team shmeam.
05:18 <@jb7od> you can try
05:18 <@jb7od> i do try
05:19 < Mercster> well, that's all anyone can expect
05:19 <@jb7od> so the fail isn't on me lol
05:19 < Mercster> try your best
05:19 < Mercster> hehe
05:19 <@jb7od> "i don't know, he's not calling me back and i've called twice and emailed"
05:19 <@jb7od> haha
05:19 < Mercster> some people dont want help
05:19 <@jb7od> fuck it. i'm working
05:20 <@jb7od> oh na, not that... haha, i let those ppl go and i clown em if they come back
05:20 < Mercster> i remember a guy at a job i had a few years ago
05:20 < Mercster> he was one of those types...
05:20 < Mercster> he would always come by to pick my brain, get advice
05:20 < Mercster> but anything you told him "oh, i know"
05:20 < Mercster> "oh yeah, i know that"
05:20 < Mercster> oh, do ya?
05:21 <@jb7od> it's a fine line.
05:21 < Mercster> at some point i gave up and just resorted to demeaning him
05:22 <@jb7od> i've been where i am 3 years and i think i've got a bead on who's lame and who can deal with verbal directions and who needs me to get out of the way.
05:22 < Mercster> yea
05:22 < Mercster> this guy was totally outside of my process chain
05:23 < Mercster> so its not like i was required to hold his hand
05:24 <@jb7od> i have to hold hands, mouth kiss, and feel up some of the ppl.
05:24 <@jb7od> haha
05:24 < Mercster> it happens
05:24 <@jb7od> some of em don't need me for a damn thing.
05:24 <@jb7od> well no i take that back
05:24 <@jb7od> i have a role in leasing
05:24 <@jb7od> no gettin outta that
05:25 < Mercster> well, within an organization you know, there are customers. if you're an admin, your customers are the programmers. if you're a network guy, the customers are, well, everyone who uses the network
05:25 <@jb7od> that's person two of the three people's gig i have.
05:25 < Mercster> and being a good team player is serving your customers, whether they are inside your organization or outside of it
05:26 <@jb7od> i go to the wall for my ppl.
05:26 < Mercster> but then there are asshats on the periphery that dont really matter, and whatever you give them is good will
05:26 < Mercster> but some people squander that good will
05:26 < Mercster> so, fuck 'em
05:27 <@jb7od> you ever know a devel that was a total noob outside of what exactly it is they do?
05:27 < Mercster> most developers ive known have been total noobs outside of what exactly it is they do
05:27 <@jb7od> that could tell you everything about .net but not know a mf thing about anything else
05:27 <@jb7od> right
05:27 <@jb7od> lol
05:27 < Mercster> yeah
05:27 <@jb7od> i didn't know if it was just me or what
05:27 <@jb7od> haha
05:27 < Mercster> well, thats what they do, and thats cool
05:27 <@jb7od> ya it is
05:27 < Mercster> i couldnt do it
05:28 < Mercster> at the same time, they couldnt do what i do
05:28 < Mercster> so, it works
05:28 <@jb7od> but being a dev makes alot of them think they can shoot that mouth
05:28 < Mercster> eh
05:28 <@jb7od> idk. Systems
05:28 < Mercster> that's where "management" goes in
05:28 < Mercster> s/goes/comes
05:28 < Mercster> if there's good management, then everyone knows their place
05:29 <@jb7od> hah well those guys weren't there when i got there
05:29 < Mercster> programmers do what they do, admins do what they do, database people do what they do
05:29 < Mercster> etc etc etc
05:29 < Mercster> and it's all somewhat orderly
05:29 < Mercster> the best organizations ive been in have worked that way
05:29 <@jb7od> well there's on paper, then there's reality
05:29 < Mercster> programmers dont try to admin, admins dont try to run the DB, DB people dont try to program
05:29 < Mercster> etc
05:29 < Mercster> well, sure
05:30 < Mercster> then, it's politics ;-)
05:31 <@jb7od> well i just was thinking about this one snide ass developer that pioxes me off
05:31 <@jb7od> lo
05:31 < Mercster> he can be as snide as he wants
05:31 < Mercster> he doesnt get to break rules
05:31 < Mercster> let him run his dick sucker
05:31 < Mercster> process and procedure is king
05:31 <@jb7od> ibm would love u
05:32 < Mercster> probably
05:32 <@jb7od> i'm out of scope.
05:32 < Mercster> im a big fan of process and procedure
05:32 <@jb7od> wellllll do you want users with shit that works or contracts that are obeyed?
05:32 < Mercster> well oiled cogs in the machine, all that
05:32 <@jb7od> because u can't have both
05:32 < Mercster> heh
05:32 < Mercster> yeah well :)
05:33 < Mercster> that's it, isnt it
05:33 <@jb7od> that's the "reality" i was talking about
05:33 <@jb7od> haha
05:33 < Mercster> that's what seperates the men from the boys. if you cave too often, sure...the customer is happy...but guess how many customers wont be happy in the future
05:33 < Mercster> when shit breaks down
05:33 < Mercster> you gotta hold your ground
05:33 < eryc> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYcKwaD4oIE
05:33 < Mercster> the organization is more important than any individual
05:34 < Mercster> if a contract gets broken, guess what, someone hangs
05:34 < Mercster> and then things go back to the way they should be
05:34 <@jb7od> there is such a thing as a bad contract.
05:34 < Mercster> if HR hires fucking idiots, that's another issue
05:35 < Mercster> i would never want to be a manager, for that very reason. politics and compromise are another social game entirely, and im only interested in what is best for the organization
05:35 < Mercster> sure, you have to break rules once in awhile
05:35 < Mercster> but soon that becomes a habit
05:35 < Mercster> and then the sky falls
05:35 <@jb7od> put it like this- i'm on my 4th boss on this engagement
05:35 < Mercster> id rather just stick to what's right
05:35 < Mercster> heh
05:35 < Mercster> been there, man :)
05:36 <@jb7od> i think whats right is to fix * and move on.
05:36 < Mercster> managers are hilarious, not because their job is unimportant, but because so many of them are bad at it
05:36 < Mercster> yeajh
05:36 <@jb7od> oh man
05:36 < Mercster> fix it
05:37 <@jb7od> there's contracts where there can be no "good at it" e.g. fool's errand
05:37 < Mercster> well, as we've covered...you do your best
05:37 <@jb7od> Aye.
05:37 < Mercster> at the end of the day you have to live with yourself and the job you've done
05:38 <@jb7od> i have to live with this paycheck in stark contrast to the job i've done.
05:38 < Mercster> and, pay the rent
05:38 < Mercster> so all these things get weighed ;-)
05:39 <@jb7od> there is no thought paid to cost avoidance where i am
05:39 <@jb7od> lol
05:39 < Mercster> yea
05:39 <@jb7od> i handle bidness.
05:40 < Mercster> well, you work with what you've got. when it becomes such a burden on your soul, i guess you move on. or, you dont.
05:40 < Mercster> we're in hard times
05:40 <@jb7od> here's me on new years eve...
05:40 <@jb7od> i'm in the site by myself
05:40 <@jb7od> with like three contrators running cable
05:40 < Mercster> i guess the summation of all we've said is, you do your best and not feel too bad about what falls between the cracks because of other people or bad practices
05:40 < Mercster> cover your own ass, when shit's that bad
05:40 < Mercster> ya know
05:41 <@jb7od> and the circuit goes down. this takes us out, as well as a site in canada who uses our pipe
05:40 < Mercster> if you're stuck in a situation that is bad, make sure you're doing you're best, and are able to intelligently state what is wrong with the situation
05:41 < Mercster> hopefully you have a reasonable boss
05:41 <@jb7od> not right now i don't
05:41 <@jb7od> i have an autocrat
05:41 <@jb7od> the dude before him was on point
05:42 <@jb7od> they shitcanned him and now he's doing unix admin for DoD finance
05:42 <@jb7od> and happier
05:42 < Mercster> ye
05:42 < Mercster> a
05:42 < Mercster> sometimes organizations cant afford quality
05:42  * Mercster shrugs
05:43 <@jb7od> i agree
05:43 < Mercster> well, just respect yourself. know what's up, do your best, and when shit hits the fan, be able to explain why.  if you respect yourself, others will respect you
05:43 < Mercster> and if they dont, fuck 'em, cuz they're shitheels
05:44 <@jb7od> ya
05:44 < Mercster> fingerpointing is a fun game until the only reason you're doing it is to cover for your own lameness. and then you're an asshole
05:44 < Mercster> just dont be that asshole
05:44 <@jb7od> i have a plan tho.
05:44 <@jb7od> na never that
05:44 < Mercster> plans are good
05:45 <@jb7od> i'm not into deference.
05:45 < Mercster> nosd
05:45 <@jb7od> alot of cats are all defer defer defer
05:45 < Mercster> nod
05:45 <@jb7od> "that's not my job"
05:45 <@jb7od> and sooner or later
05:45 <@jb7od> it really isn't
05:45 < Mercster> heh
05:45 < Mercster> the hard way ;-)
05:46 <@jb7od> if ur not the man on a subject, take em to the man- idk
05:46 <@jb7od> care
05:46 <@jb7od> lol
05:46 < Mercster> yep
05:46 <@jb7od> i care about who i work for.
05:46 < Mercster> get it done, whatever it takes
05:47 <@jb7od> ya man.
05:47 <@jb7od> okay here it is
05:48 <@jb7od> next time anybody fights in here, i'm yellin ONE TEAM
05:48 < Mercster> heh
05:48 < Mercster> well, that goes back to personal integrity
05:48 < Mercster> if i type something, bet yer goddamned bottom dollar im sayin it the best i know
05:48 < Mercster> you wanna call bullshit on me? call bullshit on yerself
05:49 < Mercster> i aint got time for bullshit
05:49 < Mercster> comin out of me, or anyone else
05:49 < Mercster> i dont cockfight, i dont have to
05:50 <@jb7od> right on
05:50 <@jb7od> no cockfighting
05:51 <@jb7od> i don't call ppl out tho ever.
05:51 < Mercster> eh, ya know, everyone's entitled to their opinion
05:51 <@jb7od> usually i just be like doin a joke and it goes way out of hand. talking about in here anyway
05:51 < Mercster> and you know what they say about opinions
05:51 < Mercster> they're like assholes
05:51 < Mercster> everyone's got one
05:51 < Mercster> jb7od: i feel you man :)
05:51 < Mercster> lack of sense of humor is a problem
05:52 < Mercster> not for me, but for some
05:52 < Mercster> let 'em cry
05:52 < Mercster> maybe they need to have a talk with daddy or something, fuck if i know
05:52 <@jb7od> it's seldom.
05:53 < Mercster> i make it a point not to concern myself with other people's personal problems
05:53 <@jb7od> but i rarely have anything to contribute
05:53 < Mercster> i got enough of my own
05:53 < Mercster> well, ive thoroughly enjoyed talking to you this morning
05:53 < Mercster> from my point of view
05:53 < Mercster> maybe you should contribute more
05:53 <@jb7od> that's good to hear.
05:53 <@jb7od> thx
05:53 < Mercster> seems like you've got a head on your shoulders
05:53 < Mercster> n/p
05:54 <@jb7od> idk where my head is based on the timestamp
05:54 < Mercster> yeah, right
05:54 < Mercster> ill be passing out soon
05:54 < Mercster> hopefully
05:55 <@jb7od> there's a plan..
05:55 <@jb7od> i cave, i'm gonna force myself to sleep.
05:55 < Mercster> take 'er easy jb7od
05:55  * jb7od does not win the stay-up award
05:55 < Mercster> ive got a beer to finish
05:55 < Mercster> haha
05:56 <@jb7od> ya u too pzpz man
05:56 < Mercster> go for bronze
05:56 < Mercster> yup
05:56  * Mercster salutes
05:57  * jb7od collapses trying
08:02 < AstralSin> mornin
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13:03 <@dasunt> http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Youth
13:12 < zadeaux> nice.. autonomous self-centered wrecking machine
13:14 <@dasunt> "SCO Proposes Sale of Assets To Continue Litigation"
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14:16 <@sdodson> http://wtfurls.com/r/Coolness/comments/151/how_2_undress_a_girl_with_excavator/
14:17 <@NotLarry> Dolemite: you there?
14:18 < zadeaux> he's pretty good. best i could ever do is draw circles in the dirt, which isn't that easy
14:19 <@sdodson> Ya, I'm pretty sure those guys are paid well, and rightfully so.
14:20 < zadeaux> you can make about $40 an hour if you're a good equipment operator
14:28 <@sdodson> zadeaux: You're an operator?
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14:46 < eryc> http://i.gizmodo.com/5128031/fcc-chairman-watches-grandma-parody-the-digital-transition-mouth-agape
14:46 <@sdodson> i hear obama is going to step in and save the poor and old people from the impending digital doom
14:47 <@digitalirony> no way!
14:49 <@Evilpig> why the fuck would we push that back again.  we've already pushed it back too much as is
14:50 <@Evilpig> all my grandparents have high def tvs now
14:51 <@sdodson> are they poor?
15:04 <@Corydon76-dig> Evilpig: I dunno; mismanagement of the processes, perhaps?
15:04 <@Corydon76-dig> TVs aren't just for entertainment, you know
15:05 <@Corydon76-dig> They're also a critical part of the emergency broadcast system
15:13 < eryc> http://www.bobsgame.com/
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16:23 <@brimstone> bob's f'n nuts
16:23 <@brimstone> i think i've meet bob...
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16:38 <@sdodson> does bob have bitch tits?
16:43 <@digitalirony> LMAO
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17:29 <@digitalirony> this is REAL http://reviewsion.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/tree-man.jpg
17:34 <@tzanger> yeah I saw a show on it
17:37 <@digitalirony> im watching it now
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19:10 < Mercster> k
19:22 < eryc> http://www.cracked.com/article_16945_6-insane-prison-escapes-that-actually-happened.html
19:23 <@dc0de> eryc: sfw?
19:30 < eryc> of course, its cracked.com
19:37 <@dc0de> hehe
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20:05 < eryc> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/ericlive
20:11 <@mtown_nerd> :x
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21:33 < Mercster> i am a delicate lady
21:33 <@NotLarry> eryc: you ever see the movie max headroom?
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21:35 <@NotLarry> whore was the word I heard...
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21:58 < eryc> havent seen that movie in a long while
22:01 < dasunt> WE SHOULD START FIRES!
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22:40 < Mercster> bee are bee
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23:39 <+cerkit> eryc: It was fun stalking you publicly for a while.
23:40 <+cerkit> Your feed is nothing though, compared to the fat, bald, Heating and Air Conditioning guy
23:40 <+cerkit> And the Brad Dick show.
23:40 <+cerkit> ttyl
23:40 < eryc> indeed
23:40 < eryc> peace
23:42 <@Dagmar> Brad Dick is a breathtaking example of shilldom
23:42 <@Dagmar> I can't believe he sat there and explained the prior circumstances of his utter failure as a gamer
23:48 <@Dagmar> "Having foundded a few other gaming leagues that guaranteed failure for anyone playing on my side and ground them into utter failure, I've now decided to move onward to being a coach."
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