--- Log opened Wed Jan 07 00:00:55 2009
00:01 <@sdodson> m0j0-j0j0: you said you knew some hoes right?! hook a brotha up
00:01 <@dasunt> I want someone with brains.
00:01 <@dasunt> my standards, they are too high.
00:01 <@sdodson> I need a pulse.
00:02 <@sdodson> Man, I may be slipping into catonic range.
00:02 <@m0j0-j0j0> dasunt: crafts? arts? dancing? play an instrument?
00:02 <@dasunt> I cultivate an aura of bitterness, does that count?
00:02 <@m0j0-j0j0> maybe you should try and pick someone up at a twelve step program
00:04 <@dasunt> Is drinking a hobby/
00:04 <@dasunt> 12 step programs mean I'm an alchie.
00:04 <@m0j0-j0j0> well, there are a lot of 12 step programs
00:05 <@sdodson> 12 steps to getting laid?
00:06 <@m0j0-j0j0> sdodson: they have 12 step programs for sexual compulsive people
00:08 <@Dagmar> My 12 steps: Any drink I have to go more than 12 steps for is too far.
00:09 <@dasunt> 12 steps:  The 12th drink is the last one.
00:09 <@Dagmar> I like that one, too
00:10 <@sdodson> dasunt: hey, tell dagmar i wanna be frenz, i heard he was mad at me
00:10 <@m0j0-j0j0> sdodson: we need to work on the way you show confidence.
00:10 <@sdodson> m0j0-j0j0: tell me more.
00:11 <@dasunt> I'm only on 4 drinks tonight.
00:12 <@m0j0-j0j0> sdodson: like, I know you and know that you're a good guy and since you know me you'll talk to me and all..
00:13 <@dasunt> sdodson: He's hitting on you.  :p
00:13 <@sdodson> :(
00:13 <@m0j0-j0j0> sdodson: you  just need to convey how confident you are to people you don't know
00:14 <@sdodson> How do I do that? punch them in the cock the first time I meet them?
00:14 <@sdodson> "Sup homie!"
00:15 <@dasunt> sdodson: Just don't give a damn.
00:15 <@m0j0-j0j0> dasunt: seriously
00:16 <@dasunt> m0j0-j0j0: Seriously what?
00:16 <@sdodson> m0j0-j0j0: So... stop being nice?
00:16 <@m0j0-j0j0> dasunt: the 'don't give a damn' thing
00:17 <@m0j0-j0j0> no
00:18 <@m0j0-j0j0> you can be nice without showing that it matters so much
00:19 <@dasunt> m0j0-j0j0: Seems tow ork.
00:19 <@sdodson> m0j0-j0j0: teach me master!
00:34 <@m0j0-j0j0> sdodson: I'm actually having to learn it all myself.  Some of the things I do.. I do without really thinking about it... so I'm having to study it all because one of the guys on my team asked that I teach him
00:41 <@dasunt> Alternatively, you could become gay.
00:44 <@m0j0-j0j0> dasunt: I don't see how that changes the situation
00:45 <@dasunt> I'm half convinced that homosexual relationships have less bullshit.
00:45 <@sdodson> I think gay folks like to fuck more and in a less emotionally complicated way.
00:46 <@m0j0-j0j0> dasunt: well, I guess then you have bookstores so... it changes a little bit.. but you still want to meet someone for something more meaningful
00:46 <@dasunt> Bookstores?
00:48 <@m0j0-j0j0> sdodson: nothing wrong with no strings attached sex.. but it's hardly a relationship
00:49 <@m0j0-j0j0> dasunt: you go... stick your pecker in a hole in the wall and someone sucks you off.
00:49 <@dasunt> Oh.
01:03 <@m0j0-j0j0> dasunt: and I don't think "because all men are dogs" is a good reason to jump the fence
01:05 < Mercster> sdodson has a lot of insight into gays
01:07 <@sdodson> Mercster: Hang out here long enough and you will too.
01:10 <@m0j0-j0j0> sdodson: oh, I'm sure that Mercster knows all this stuff... after all he's been on irc non-stop for the last 18 years
01:10 <@m0j0-j0j0> sdodson: he gave birth to the internet
01:10 <@sdodson> no wonder the internet is so degenerate
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01:15 <@m0j0-j0j0> alright.. I've be up since 6AM and I have to get up at 6AM in the morning so I think I'm going to turn in.
01:15 <@m0j0-j0j0> nite guys
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01:16 <@scoil> homosexuals
01:16 <@scoil> all of you
01:19 < Mercster> it came out of my butt :(
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03:24 < Mercster> ahhh chicken, green beans, rice, bread
03:24 < Mercster> good dinner
03:24 <@scoil> mmmm
03:24 < Mercster> im stuuuuuffed
03:24 < Mercster> how are you scoil
03:24 <@scoil> hungry
03:25 < Mercster> hah
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07:20 <@TheLightCosine> man it's quiet in here this morning
07:21  * I-MOD makes some noise for TheLightCosine 
07:31 <@aestetix> dongz
07:32 <@Shadow404> Evilpig: yo
07:33 < booker404> according to Manswers, the Dugong is most like a woman
07:55 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:56  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
07:57 <@TheLightCosine> yo dole
08:02 <@Dolemite> TheLightCosine : Do you check planet.nashville2600.org on a regular basis?
08:03 <@TheLightCosine> negative why?
08:04 <@Dolemite> Anywho, my most recent post has a code snippet in it for logging in to OWA to check end to end functionality...   one of our Windows admins had been "trying" for almost a year to do it.
08:05 <@Dolemite> I think it took me about 2 hours while being distracted at the office by the phone, people coming in and out, and of course the intarwebz.
08:06 <@Dolemite> But seeing as how you are always having to do .NOT crap to mess with your servers in house, I thought you might be interested in the PHP code for logging in to OWA.
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08:07 < TheLightcosine> gwar
08:07 < TheLightcosine> sorry chrome went pear shaped on me
08:08 < TheLightcosine> last thing i saw you saying was that your admin had been "trying" for months
08:08 <@Dolemite> I think it took me about 2 hours while being distracted at the office by the phone, people coming in and out, and of course the intarwebz.
08:08 <@Dolemite> But seeing as how you are always having to do .NOT crap to mess with your servers in house, I thought you might be interested in the PHP code for logging in to OWA.
08:10 < TheLightcosine> yeah that is pretty nifty, i'll have to take a look and see exactly what you're doing there, mgiht be able to get some interesting results
08:10 < TheLightcosine> also itneresting is that planet.nashville2600.org seems to fuck up chrome rather badly
08:10 <@Dolemite> heh, that's odd, since it's just an RSS feed aggregator
08:11 <@Dolemite> you can just go to my blog at www.cadmuslabs.net then
08:11 < TheLightcosine> for some reason the proxy shits a a brick
08:12 < TheLightcosine> but while it's occuring ie still works fine so it's not the proxy itself
08:12 < TheLightcosine> hrm
08:12 < TheLightcosine> one of these days i will actually learn php though
08:12 <@aestetix> You should learn erlang instead.
08:12 < TheLightcosine> I've been saying that for ~10 years now and i swear one dya it will be true lol
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08:43 <@aestetix> I just got an idea.
08:43 <@aestetix> Wouldn't it be fun to pour bleach into the water supply and see how long it takes for your neighbors to get sick?
08:43 <@aestetix> It's some fun social experiment thing.
08:45 <@TheLightcosine> why not the government puts worse shit in there
08:47 <@rhia> http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2008-06.html
08:47 < ware> o hai thar
08:47 < ware> mint.com is full of win btw
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08:49 <@M0j0-j0j0> mornin
08:50 < ware> mornin
08:52 <@rhia> http://controversy.wearscience.com/   yay, David Icke's Lizard People made the cut
08:53 <@aestetix> http://evilx.devel.ws/index.phps
08:53 <@aestetix> who can tell me what's wrong with this code
09:00 <@timoguin> Looked through it really quickly before remember I didn't care
09:02 <@aestetix> Looked through what?
09:03 <@Dolemite> ware : OH HAI!
09:03 <@Dolemite> You know, I could get to Level 80 a hell of a lot faster if every night that I tried to log on there wasn't a 2 hour queue.
09:03 <@aestetix> Dolemite: did you get the surprise for ware?
09:04 <@Dolemite> aestetix : It's hardly a surprise, he's seen your mother naked before.
09:04 <@aestetix> Not that surprise. He paid for that.
09:06 < ware> Dolemite: you gotta queue it up soon as you get home
09:06 < ware> and just stay logged in while you do chores n stuff
09:06 < ware> or get a friend to log you in while youre out and about
09:07 <@Dolemite> ware : I log on when I get home and do the dailies, but then it times out and disconnects before I can get back to it
09:08 < ware> ahh
09:08 < ware> do you go /afk before ya leave?
09:08 <@Dolemite> That doesn't do any good
09:08 <@Dolemite> it'll automatically put you /afk after 5 minutes of inactivity, anyway
09:10 <@nachoguy> mr0nin
09:10 <@Dolemite> El Hombre de Nachos
09:13 < ware> i thought when yo uwent /afk it gave you more time to come back to it
09:13 <@Dolemite> nope
09:20 <@TheLightcosine> hrm so who's a good registrar to use? i haven't registered a domain in several years
09:21 <@brimstone> i use godaddy, they're pretty cheap
09:22 <@aestetix> gandi.net
09:22 < ware> godaddy -> management is easy, updates records quick, never had a problem with em
09:24 <@brimstone> sales calls you too and makes you feel loved
09:25  * aestetix compiles alsa
09:25 <@Dolemite> Yeah, I use godaddy for mine.  Corydon likes to talk about how bad their policies are.
09:26 <@critch> Dolemite: they are bad
09:26 <@critch> but then again, most registrars have shitty policies too
09:26 <@Dolemite> I see them all as bad.
09:26 <@Dolemite> So therefore I'm going with the easiest one for me to deal with.
09:28 <@polerin> http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20090106-skanks-in-nyc-blog-post-leads-to-lawsuit-against-google.html
09:28 <@polerin> heh
09:30 <@Dolemite> oddball : You on yet?
09:31 < oddball> huh? what?
09:31 <@Dolemite> http://scifiwire.com/2009/01/invite-darth-vader-over-for-target-practiceas-the-target.php
09:31 <@Dolemite> They have a zombie target for the shooting range.  heh.
09:31 < oddball> oh nice
09:31 < ware> http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v976/170/85/506303218/n506303218_1677440_5260.jpg
09:32 <@timoguin> wrong chan
09:32 < oddball> Yeah, they're not the only ones to put together zombie targets.
09:32 < ware> whoops
09:32 < ware> still awesome!
09:39 <@TheLightcosine> i knew it!
09:39 <@TheLightcosine> ware is the antichrist
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09:45 <@TheLightcosine> hrm wtf is a .net more expensive than a .com tld?
09:47 <@TheLightcosine> lol .info for 0.99 a year?
09:47 < ware> <-
09:47 <@brimstone> no one wants a .info
09:47 < ware> @i.gotz.teh.priviledged.hackerconsortium.info
09:48 <@brimstone> ware is no one
09:48  * ware takes brimstone out of his will and testament
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09:49 <@Dolemite> phreaknic.info :P
09:49 <@nachoguy> .info is really .99?
09:49 <@Dolemite> I think it is if you buy 10+ years at a time
09:50 <@brimstone> no, even with 1 or 2 year .infos
09:50 <@brimstone> dirt cheap
09:50 <@Dolemite> godaddy runs sales like that from time to time
09:50 <@brimstone> i dunno how godaddy makes all of their mony
09:50 < ware> that hot girl in the leather racing jacket
09:51 <@brimstone> but they pay her... not her paying them...
09:51 <@critch> heh, They pay Danica a lot of money
09:52 <@critch> They make their money form hosting and parking of domains.
09:55 < ware> brimstone: she brings people to the site. my point being advertising
09:55 < ware> whats takke to run some DNS servers?
10:10 <@TheLightcosine> does UTC switchover for DST?
10:20 <@brimstone> ware: ya
10:20 <@brimstone> ware: just bind on 2 boxes
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10:21 <@brimstone> or bind on one box and someone to replicate it on their box
10:23 < ware> im saying selling domains for cheap + advertising = more than enough to run a registrar
10:26 <@brimstone> ah, i don't even use godaddy for the dns stuff
10:27 < ware> what do you use?
10:27 < ware> or do you host your own
10:27 <@brimstone> i just pay them $7/y or so for domain registration and whois masking
10:27 <@brimstone> all they do is register my dns servers in the master databases
10:28 <@TheLightcosine> hrm now if there was only some wya i could beat out comcast for authority on the RDNS heh
10:29 <@TheLightcosine> wow .org is expensive lol
10:33 <@brimstone> if you have a business account, i should be able to argue it
10:33 <@brimstone> i've just not done it yet for mine :/
10:34 <@TheLightcosine> lol i do not have a business account with comcast
10:34 <@brimstone> then you're a nobody
10:34 <@TheLightcosine> i'm not paying twice as much for the same service but them taking their dick out of my ass a little bit
10:34 <@brimstone> you should get better service
10:35 <@brimstone> it's something like 10 down 2 up for $80 a month in our area
10:35 <@brimstone> and you're allowed to run servers
10:35 <@TheLightcosine> that's terrible.
10:35 <@brimstone> unlike at home, where if you run an smtp server you get flagged as a spammer
10:35 <@brimstone> what do you have/what do you pay now?
10:35 <@TheLightcosine> on FiOS I paid $45 for 15/2 on a consumer account
10:36 <@brimstone> yeah, but no FiOS in this area :(
10:36 <@TheLightcosine> yeah tell me about it
10:36 <@brimstone> i'd switch, i only use comcast for internet
10:36 <@TheLightcosine> of course verizon aloso blocked 80 inbound
10:36 <@brimstone> and even then, i don't need the 8/768 i have now
10:36 <@TheLightcosine> *also
10:36 <@brimstone> anything else? or just 80 in?
10:37 <@TheLightcosine> 80 in was the only one i noticed
10:37 <@brimstone> 25? 993? 443?
10:37 <@TheLightcosine> i didn't try running a mail server tho so i dunno if they block that too
10:37 <@brimstone> gotcha
10:38 <@TheLightcosine> Embarq was a fucked up company, but at least we did one thing right, you didn't need a business account for static ip, you paid an extra $3/month per IP address
10:39 <@TheLightcosine> heh i notice comcast doesn't post their prices anymore
10:39 <@TheLightcosine> for business accounts
10:39 <@brimstone> i called and asked
10:39 <@brimstone> they cut our hackerspace a wicked deal too
10:40 <@TheLightcosine> oh yah?
10:40 <@brimstone> yup
10:40 <@TheLightcosine> mmm 50/5 connection
10:40 <@TheLightcosine> i bet that costs more than i budget out of a paycheck for food
10:40 <@brimstone> i'd like to just get a vps with 100/100 or so and enough disk space, then just drip stuff back to me personally
10:41 <@brimstone> or a colo where i could show up once a week and swap drives would rock pretty hard
10:41 <@TheLightcosine> and they mgiht still get upset "sir we show that for the past 6 months you have transfered over 6TB of data throguh bittorrent, downstream alone"
10:41 <@brimstone> aye
10:41 <@brimstone> you'd have to get one somewhere were they look around that
10:42 <@brimstone> i'm guessing europe or somewhere?
10:42 <@TheLightcosine> yeah the UK isps are pretty freaking rediculous in what they give their customers
10:42 <@TheLightcosine> my buddy dan gets an iop block, domain registrations, and vhosts all as part of his standard internet package heh
10:42 <@TheLightcosine> *ip block rather
10:43 < ware> http://tinyurl.com/eleethax
10:43 <@TheLightcosine> and it all runs off ATM, no ethernet or frame relay on the local loop
10:44 <@TheLightcosine> of course he also has power outtages sometimes up to 6 in a day
10:45 <@brimstone> Evilpig pointed out last night that a 1.5TB drive is only $99
10:45 <@I-MOD> damn...
10:45 <@brimstone> hardware's cheap
10:45 <@I-MOD> is that with MIR?
10:45 <@brimstone> you can build a pretty nice box for less then a grand now
10:45 <@brimstone> i don't think so I-MOD, check newegg
10:46 <@I-MOD> looking now
10:47 <@I-MOD> not on newegg, cheapest there is the seagate for 130
10:48 <@I-MOD> but 1tb can be had for 95
10:52 <@brimstone> herm, he actually linked to a rapter drive
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11:08 <@TheLightcosine> hrm, or apparently i could jsut register my domain with dyndns and not worry about trying to jimmy around hooking my dyndns up to a real domain registered somewhere else
11:08 <@nachoguy> http://i36.tinypic.com/2hproma.jpg
11:10 <@TheLightcosine> like hell i'm putting my real contact information in there tho
11:11 <@brimstone> you can setup a cname to your dyndns account though
11:11 <@TheLightcosine> yeah but doesn't that still just hop it voer, so you end up staring at that bullshit domain name anyways?
11:12 <@brimstone> nope
11:12 <@brimstone> as it's at the dns level, not the webserver level
11:13 <@brimstone> you won't see it in the url bar, if that's what you're asking
11:13 <@brimstone> and you can still ssh to it and everything
11:14 <@TheLightcosine> you sure about that? i think we had an argument about this in ehre like a month ago
11:14 <@brimstone> yes, f'n positive
11:14 <@brimstone> real world example, key in www.digium.com
11:14 <@brimstone> now, do a dns lookup on www.digium.com
11:15 <@brimstone> there is no a record for www., just a cname to garfunkel, the name of the machine
11:15 <@brimstone> ooh, here's another one for you, fbijobs.gov
11:15 <@brimstone> that goes over to some .com hiring firm
11:15 < ware> :resize 8
11:15 <@brimstone> but the url bar isdoesn't change
11:16 < ware> oh hai ctrl+a:
11:16 <@Dolemite> ware : No matter how many times you type that, your penis will not get bigger.
11:16 < ware> Dolemite: 8cm *
11:16 < ware> trying to reduce the massive erection our cyberchat gave me before i walk to the printer
11:16 <@M0j0-j0j0> how sad is this... I need the CPU time that irc is using for other stuff :(  bbiaf
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11:16 < ware> M0j0-j0j0: time to upgrade
11:18 <@brimstone> he's waiting for prime95 to finish
11:19 <@Dolemite> ware : Yes, but then on the way to the copier you see the coffee stain on the carpet and think about Corydon giving you a stain and your erection comes right back...
11:19 <@Dolemite> s/copier/printer/
11:20 < ware> actually i thought about that time you told me i would have been better off a stain on my moms bed sheets, then i started crying, and you know crying turns me on
11:20 <@Dolemite> Yeah, but I thought it was only when you made little boys cry?
11:21 < ware> i think its generally the whimpering that goes along with crying
11:22 <@Corydon76-dig> Um, I think I started reading at the wrong time
11:23 <@aestetix> ware: I didn't know you had a little brother.
11:23 < ware> im the oldest of 6 boys
11:24 <@aestetix> Did you each suck on a different udder when you were growing up?
11:25 < ware> that joke is still as retarded as it was when you started saying it
11:25 < ware> and hence forth does not warrant a response from me
11:25 < ware> dole and i were roleplaying for lulz, and should not have been taken seriously
11:26 < ware> bearsuit -> http://www.abc-of-skiing.com/images/content-images/article-2950-2.gif
11:26 <@Dolemite> Forsooth!
11:26 <@nachoguy> manbearpig?
11:27 <@Shadow404> Evilpig: hey
11:27 < ware> spiderpig
11:27 < ware> Dolemite: lol forsooth, never heard that before
11:28 <@Dolemite> ware : Heh, you've never created an account on an RP server, then.
11:29 <@Shadow404> roleplaying?
11:29 <@TheLightcosine> the devil's game!
11:31 < ware> Dolemite: i was too scared to
11:33 <@Evilpig> it is much fun to get on the RP server and smash their RP lifestyle
11:33 <@Evilpig> the best is when you are in a BG and someone from the RP server joins the battle.  
11:38 <@Evilpig> i'm curious how bad a cross realm wintergrasp would lag and crash
11:46 < ware> durno what you mean but im sure its funny, so i lul
11:53 <@TheLightcosine> hrm .com .net and .info bundled for $15 not too shabby
11:54 <@Shadow404> ware is begginig his digression
11:54 < ware> progression
11:55 <@Shadow404> progression of his digression
11:55 <@Shadow404> heh, that sounds funny
11:55 <@Shadow404> say that 5 times fast, lawl
11:56 <@TheLightcosine> heh the progression of this digression is proceeding at an alarming pace
11:57 <@Shadow404> aye to that brotha'
11:57 <@Corydon76-dig> regression?
11:58 <@TheLightcosine> a very strange procession!
11:58 <@Shadow404> nah, hes always acted about 8 years old, hasnt gotten worse or better
11:59 <@Corydon76-dig> I'm not so sure about that assumption
12:02 <@TheLightcosine> quitting time
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12:04 <@Corydon76-dig> critch: ping
12:04 <@aestetix> Ok, I have a question...
12:04 <@aestetix> http://www.infopackets.com/news/censorship/2009/20090106_british_government_wants_private_firm_to_monitor_super_database_of_every_person_in_britain.htm
12:04 <@aestetix> I see a story like this.
12:04 <@aestetix> But then I remember New Years in Germany.
12:04 <@aestetix> Where nobody really cared about anything.... if you got hurt, an amublance came for you.
12:05 <@aestetix> So... where does this drive for "security" come from?
12:05 <@rhia> Britain is not Germany
12:05 <@aestetix> rhia: Right.
12:05 <@rhia> the UK has a reputation as the Queen of the Nanny States
12:13 <@rhia> ultra control conspiracy theories aside, basic political self interest has a part - no politician - esp one in a nanny state, wants to be on watch when anything bad happens - could prove very detrimental to being reelected
12:14 <@rhia> "see, not OUR fault, we did Everything we could"  IOW, a lot of intrusive feel-good legislation that 'someone is doing something' instead of, well, actually Doing anything productive
12:15 <@rhia> and, of course, "if you have nothing to hide, why does it bother you?" bs
12:27 <@Corydon76-dig> Anybody familiar with the concurrency model of Postgres?
12:27 <@Corydon76-dig> I'm getting weird behavior, where an uncommitted transaction is blocking any subsequent transaction from starting
12:28 <@Corydon76-dig> (two different connections)
12:29 <@Corydon76-dig> Seems antithetical to the whole idea of transactions and concurrency, but I might be missing something critical
12:32 <@critch> Corydon76-dig: Back from lunch
12:33 <@critch> Shouldn't be behaving that way. You may have a tuning problem.
12:33 <@Corydon76-dig> Have a suggestion for what I may tweak?
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12:36 <@M0j0-j0j0> I have poor grafix skillz
12:36 <@Corydon76-dig> I haven't tweaked anything beyond the trust mode for local users
12:38 <@M0j0-j0j0> was trying to come up with a submission for the CC5 shirt... but I just can't get down to 2 colors plus a background
12:41 <@M0j0-j0j0> maybe if i draw it on paper.. scan it and then convert it to a vector/inked looking thing it would be better
12:41 < ware> nsfw'ish -> http://media.tumblr.com/b1fwWq7Cwif0x9beUcztbFACo1_400.jpg
12:42 <@M0j0-j0j0> ish?
12:42 < ware> theres some bottom boob
12:42 <@Dolemite> Nice rack
12:42 <@M0j0-j0j0> hey... that's one of the girls in my network dept
12:42 < ware> !!!!
12:42 <@M0j0-j0j0> not really
12:48 <@Corydon76-dig> What's with the hand on the PBR at the bottom?
12:54 <@rhia> Corydon76-dig: spoken like a true geek
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13:11 <@polerin> what the fuck
13:11 <@polerin> how did I just now hear about this murder.
13:11 <@polerin> http://www.examiner.com/x-1588-Philadelphia-Young-Professionals-Examiner~y2009m1d7-New-footage-found-of-California-cop-murdering-man
13:11 <@polerin> http://www.sfbayview.com/2009/oscar-grant-young-father-and-peacemaker-executed-by-bart-police/
13:15 <@m0j0-j0j0> if I can just stay away until this meeting is over...
13:21 <@rhia> polerin: just damn =(
13:23 < eryc> thats old
13:24 <@Corydon76-dig> January 1st is old?
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13:38  * polerin is nausious
13:46 <@Corydon76-dig> I've heard that's a symptom of pregnancy
13:47 <@polerin> it's also a symptom of working myself up
13:47 <@Corydon76-dig> frothy?
13:48 <@Corydon76-dig> Might want to get a pregancy test, just to be sure
13:52 < ware> lol preggers
13:56 <@Shadow404> ware: i thought you were a changed person?
13:58 < ware> i am! just tryin to follow thru with it
13:58 <@Dolemite> Shadow404 : And why would you say that he isn't?
13:58 < ware> has nothing to do with my irc habits, tho they may change subsequently because of some life changes
13:59 <@Dolemite> ware : I guess no more TGIFriday's shops for you!  Not that we did any in a long time, anyway, with you moving away.
13:59 < ware> if i dont respond to some ridiculously asinine comment made towards me dont be upset (re: aestetix, Shadow404, scoil, etc)
13:59 < ware> im soooo stoked about getting out to colorado
13:59 <@Shadow404> lawl
14:00 < ware> snowboarding is the best high ive had in a long time
14:00 <@Dolemite> When are you going there and what for?
14:00 <@Shadow404> hes moving
14:00 <@Dolemite> Which area you going to?
14:00 < ware> the plan is to be out there by end of march / beginning of april
14:00 <@Dolemite> Are you seriously going to move there?
14:00 < ware> going purely for something new, and hope to get some snowboarding done too
14:01 < ware> yes, right now im looking in the boulder area
14:01 <@Dolemite> Ah, nice area but expensive.
14:01 < ware> college town so it shouldnt be too hard to meet new people
14:01 <@Dolemite> When I worked for Sun I worked in Broomfield, CO, a lot.  It's adjacent to Boulder.
14:01 < ware> thats what ive been told, which is why im trying to hold out for a decently paying IT job. but if worst comes to worst ill take what i can get
14:02 <@Dolemite> well good luck, but when you're no longer in the Southeast we'll have to kick you out of #se2600, just like we did nachoguy.
14:02 <@aestetix> ware: if you have a job, stick with it, and look for better work on the side.
14:02 < ware> ive got denver/boulder area on my joblist email updates
14:02 < ware> aestetix: im not moving for work, im moving because i want to play in the mountains
14:03 <@aestetix> I understand.
14:03 <@aestetix> You're talking to someone who up and moved to a city where he didn't know anyone, with no job.
14:03 <@aestetix> Which means I fully understand the risks involved. We also had a much better economy at the time.
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14:04 < ware> yeah, im not moving until i have some kinda job lined up, but im thinking a break from IT would do me good anyways
14:04 <@aestetix> ware: if you're really looking to move, here's the way to do it.
14:04 <@Dolemite> there's always high demand for people that will wipe the crap off of geriatric asses
14:04 <@aestetix> Find a friend who lives in that area, and find a time when you can crash with them for a week. Print up business cards with your name and their address, and send out resumes with that address on it.
14:05 <@aestetix> No business will give you a second thought if you're not local, unless they already want you.
14:05 <@aestetix> The week before your visit, get as many interviews lined up as you can. Then go for a week, and spend it interviewing. If you're lucky, you'll get a job.
14:06 < ware> ive considered doing something like that
14:06 <@aestetix> That's part of how I pulled off moving to NYC.
14:06 < ware> but this is an irc friend that ive known for 4-5 years and havent met :P
14:07 < ware> dunno if they'd be down but i guess its worth an ask
14:07 <@aestetix> Is there a denver 2600 you can contact?
14:07 <@nachoguy> Dolemite, whu-huh? you kicked me out?
14:07 <@nachoguy> I'm apparently so senile I didn't notice  =>
14:08 < ware> http://boulder.craigslist.org/edu/983194797.html
14:08 < ware> haha
14:08 < ware> i durno, maybe
14:08 <@aestetix> ware: unless you're rich and can afford to travel to a place and pay for a deposit, first and last month's rent on a place, and still have a cushion, this is pretty much the only way you can pull it off.
14:08 <@aestetix> Otherwise, you're just windowshopping.
14:09 <@Corydon76-dig> I'm sure there are guys in Boulder who need a manservant
14:09 <@Corydon76-dig> http://www.houseboi.com
14:09 <@aestetix> I even sort of did that when I moved to Maryland. I took the first job I could.
14:09 <@aestetix> It sucked, but it was still income that paid the bills.
14:09 <@ShadowHntr> aestetix: mailbox services at The UPS Store
14:10 <@aestetix> ware: should I keep talking or shut up? How serious are you?
14:10 < ware> theres plenty of college aged people looking for a new roomie in their 4-5br house
14:10 <@Corydon76-dig> C'mon, now, it's ware.  We think it will blow over within 90 days
14:11 < ware> finding a job is going to be the 'hard' part
14:11 <@aestetix> ware: yeah, but they don't want a roomie with no job, who knows nobody.
14:11 < ware> so they post on CL? i think they want rent money
14:11 < ware> its college aged kids who love skiing and need someone to help pay bills
14:12 <@aestetix> Um. I'm guessing they probably at least try to screen their prospective roommates.
14:12 <@nachoguy> that's not how it works in the movies
14:12 < ware> no reason i wouldnt pass a screening for a respectable roomie~
14:12 <@aestetix> I'm dealing with a situation right now where our "new roomie" hasn't paid rent in two months. His stuff is gonna be on the streets in 6 days unless he pays up.
14:12 <@nachoguy> they throw random people together, hilarity ensues
14:12 <@aestetix> Sure there is.
14:12 < ware> hehe
14:13 <@Corydon76-dig> nachoguy: unless they're looking for a new victim
14:13 <@aestetix> You have no job and have money? How? Rich parents? Dealing drugs? Will you steal money from other people to make rent?
14:13 <@nachoguy> Convince someone that there needs to be a reality TV show filmed there, and get in on the casting
14:13 < ware> aestetix: i have had a job and make decent money lol
14:13 <@aestetix> ware: do you get what I'm saying?
14:14 < ware> i will not move out there until i have a job lined up
14:14 <@aestetix> We know you. You know you.
14:14 <@aestetix> The dude on craigslist has no fucking clue who you are.
14:14 < ware> i understand but they would have no reason to ask those questions once i tell them whats up and why im coming out there
14:14 < ware> go read a few of the postings on there and you will understand a little more where they are coming from and what they are looking for
14:15 < ware> someone dependable that will be able to pay rent -thats it-
14:15 <@aestetix> *sighs* I wish I were still young...
14:15 < ware> youre like 2 yrs older than me?!
14:15 < ware> i will make it and tell you all about how i made it once i get out there, and i appreciate you sharing your wisdom
14:16 <@aestetix> I mean naive, in a sense. I pay a lot more attention to red flags than I used to.
14:16 <@nachoguy> yeah, and has done the relocate out of town gig twice
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14:17 <@aestetix> nachoguy: that shit makes you grow up, really fast.
14:17 <@nachoguy> aestetix, I've been old all my life. =>
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14:18 <@nachoguy> I kinda wanted to try it, but I'm tied to this area
14:18 <@aestetix> nachoguy: one of my friends has a saying I like: "I was born an old man."
14:18 <@nachoguy> yeah, that fits
14:18 <@aestetix> nachoguy: it's a *lot* harder to do than it seems.
14:18 <@aestetix> You have to basically ignore everyone who either says it's a bad idea, it can't be done, or they don't want you to move for whatever reason.
14:19 < ware> :D
14:19 <@nachoguy> Aestitix, I'm not saying it's easy.  I kinda wanted to try it.
14:19 <@nachoguy> but All of my family (and mortgages) are here
14:19 <@aestetix> nachoguy: I know. I was saying to for ware.
14:20 <@nachoguy> ahh
14:20 <@aestetix> Not that I'm not encouraging him, but I just want to make it clear that it's really difficult to do.
14:20 <@aestetix> I mean, I did it, and I don't regret any of it.
14:20 <@nachoguy> remo did it as well.  He may have some pointers for you
14:22 <@aestetix> ware: if you do decide to jump ship, I know a few people in Boulder that would take you in for a few days.
14:22 <@aestetix> They're not computer geeky at all though.
14:24 <@nachoguy> aestetix, damn man, you've got connections world wide, don't you?
14:24 <@aestetix> nachoguy: you just figured that out? ;)
14:24 < ware> that may work, preeshiacte it
14:24 <@aestetix> I keep meaning to visit them...
14:24 < ware> lets go hit up the mountain haha
14:25 <@nachoguy> aestetix, well, on that note.  have any openings for a unix/linux admin in the sf bay area?
14:25 <@nachoguy> I have a buddy that got laid off
14:25 <@aestetix> god fucking damnit.
14:26 <@aestetix> If you had asked like 2 months ago, I would have said yes.
14:26 <@aestetix> We filled our position though.
14:26 <@nachoguy> heh, he was busy trying to clean up a startup
14:26 <@aestetix> Tell him to hit up noisebridge
14:27 <@Dolemite> ware : It's funny to watch aestetix turn into the crotchety old man.
14:27 <@nachoguy> I will
14:27 < ware> Dolemite: just a little :P
14:27 < ware> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XE9hYg98jY&feature=channel
14:27 <@Dolemite> Especially given that he doesn't even know how to screen his room mates at PhreakNIC for personal hygiene.
14:27 < ware> thats why im moving
14:28 <@Dolemite> I've been there
14:28 <@aestetix> Wait, what?
14:28 <@Dolemite> fun place to ski
14:28 <@aestetix> Are you still giving me shit about.... was that PN8?
14:28 < ware> the youtube link is why im moving out there
14:29 <@Dolemite> What you do is get certified as ski patrol then go between Colorado and New Zealand every year...   NZ in their winter, CO in ours.
14:29 < ware> you gotta be a skiier tho right?
14:30 <@Dolemite> Yeah
14:30 < ware> snowboards arent as precise afaik
14:30 < ware> i do want to try out skiing
14:30 <@Dolemite> snowboards are for stoners, anywho!
14:30 <@Dolemite> I would love to lose about 50 pounds so that I can ski again
14:31 <@Dolemite> You should go up to Perfect North Slopes one weekend
14:31 <@Dolemite> it's a quick drive and not expensive
14:32 < ware> been there, twice in teh past 3 weeks
14:32 <@Dolemite> Good place to try out the skiing
14:32 <@Dolemite> Oh, well then you know :P
14:32 < ware> and we're going again next weekend hehe
14:32 <@Dolemite> And you didn't invite me, bastard!?
14:32 < ware> that kinda was the deal closer for CO
14:32 < ware> anyone is welcome to go!
14:32 <@Dolemite> I get room offers from Argosy Casino about 2 miles away from there every week.
14:32 < ware> none of the HC ppl ahve wanted to go
14:34 < ware> http://boulder.craigslist.org/etc/982951405.html wonder what an order supervisor is
14:35 <@Dolemite> It's a person in a warehouse that supervises the grunts that like to race with the forklifts and drop the boxes
14:36 < ware> ahh geesh
14:36 < ware> jeesh*?
14:37 < ware> fooey
14:38 < ware> http://boulder.craigslist.org/ofc/983053193.html id take something like that just to get out there adn start making money
14:38 < ware> anyways, enough about me
14:38 < ware> yall catch the ann coulter interview? i hate that bish
14:38 <@aestetix> ware: time to swallow your pride.
14:39 < ware> shes got some decent points but comes off as such a condescending cunt
14:39 <@aestetix> And maybe more, if the money is good.
14:39 <@Dolemite> Yeah, she'd go back in time and stop the New Deal.  Al Franken would go back in time and be Hitler so he could not have the Holocaust.
14:39 < ware> haha
14:39 < ware> loved how she kept calling obama "b hussein obama"
14:39 <@Dolemite> Oh, that's a different clip
14:40 <@Dolemite> But you're right, she is such a condescending self righteous cunt.
14:40 <@nachoguy> wait, Al Franken wants to go back in time to be hitler?  not to stop, or kill, or maim hitler, but to BE hitler?
14:41 <@rhia> nachoguy: think "least I could do"  http://www.leasticoulddo.com/
14:41 <@Dolemite> nachoguy : The clip had Al and Ann being interviewed together.  The interviewer asked Ann first if she could go back in time to be anybody, who would she be and why.  She said she'd go back to be FDR so that she could stop the New Deal from happening.
14:42 <@aestetix> Dolemite: actually, the guy turning into a cranky old man right now... is murd0c
14:42 <@Dolemite> nachoguy : Al Franken then looked at her and said, well, I'd go back and be Adolf Hitler.  Unpopular, I know, but at least I could I don't know...  NOT do the Holocaust and the slaughter of millions of Jews.
14:42 <@nachoguy> gotcha
14:42 <@aestetix> I think that boy has moved to NYC and back to Kansas 3 times now
14:42 <@Corydon76-dig> I'd go back in time and be Ann Coulter so I could get my bitch ass back in the kitchen
14:42 <@Dolemite> Corydon76-dig : While you're there, make me some pie!
14:42 <@aestetix> I'd love to see Hitler giving it to Coulter up the poopshoot
14:43 <@Corydon76-dig> Dolemite: bingo
14:43 < eryc> i think it would be the other way around
14:44 < eryc> gay hitler and strapon ann
14:49 < ware> Corydon76-dig: lol nice
14:50 <@Corydon76-dig> The one nice thing about Ann Coulter's book is that they burn for a good long time
14:51 <@Corydon76-dig> Much like Ann Coulter will burn after her death
14:51 <@rhia> she'll smoulder - too much bone, not enough meat or fat to burn - unless ego works as fuel
14:54 <@polerin> ...
14:54 <@polerin> see
14:54 <@polerin> I just don't find jokes about burning books all that funny
14:54 <@brimstone> i do
14:55 <@polerin> and yes I think eryc's right... Ann would totally be pegging hitler :P"
14:55 <@brimstone> (not really)
14:55 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: it's only funny when you make it about an author who has previously advocated burning books
14:56 <@polerin> Corydon76-dig: still don't find it funny.  karmic possibly, but funny.. not really
14:57 <@Corydon76-dig> You don't grin when somebody gets what's coming to them?
15:00 < ware> eww... IIS ftp server
15:05 < eryc> whats wrong with burning books?
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15:06 < eryc> i guess you could recycle them instead
15:07 < eryc> if you throw books in the recycle bin is that funny?
15:07 < eryc> all books will be eInk soon anyway
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15:10 <@Dementia> polerin: would it be ok if I beat her bloody with the book, rather than burning it? :)
15:10 <@polerin> hmmm
15:11 <@nachoguy> you then have to wait for the blood to dry before burning it.
15:11 <@brimstone> or just get the fire hot enough
15:11 <@polerin> depends.  does she have a copy of God and the state to fight back with?
15:11 <@Dolemite> Burning the book is freedom of speech, just like burning a flag.
15:11 <@aestetix> You know what the best ad I saw in Berlin was?
15:11 <@ShadowHntr> nothing like the smell of burning blood :/
15:11 <@polerin> It's a largely symbolic thing you understand.. god and the state is like 100 pages long
15:11 <@aestetix> It was at a subway station.
15:11 <@polerin> :P
15:11 <@aestetix> There was a young kid in a picture. In blackface.
15:11 <@nachoguy> while burning a steak is a crime against humanity
15:12 <@aestetix> And had blue eyes and blond hair.
15:12 <@Dolemite> nachoguy : Got that right
15:12 <@polerin> aestetix: ... and that's good why?
15:13 <@aestetix> It was funny as hell.
15:13 <@nachoguy> it makes him feel all warm and fuzzy in his happy zone
15:13 <@polerin> ...?
15:13 <@polerin> blackface == funny then hmm?
15:13 <@aestetix> There was a german with me.
15:13 <@aestetix> I was able to use the sign to make an underhanded nazi joke.
15:13 <@nachoguy> that's a tad dangerous from what I hear.  that could land you jail time
15:14 <@aestetix> I know. That's why it was really subtle.
15:14 <@polerin> sorry if I don't find blackface funny the same day I hear about someone being shoved on his face, handcuffed, then shot
15:14 <@aestetix> Dude.
15:14 < Mercster> sweet, ubuntu 8.10 has nvidia 180.x beta drivers now
15:14 <@aestetix> This is Germany, not DHS.
15:14 < Mercster> go go magic WoW fps!
15:15 <@Corydon76-dig> aestetix: "Girlfriend", not "Dude"
15:15 <@polerin> aestetix: related
15:15 <@polerin> Corydon76-dig: ... I call everyone dude.  So does lissa
15:15 <@polerin> :P
15:15 < Mercster> duuuuude
15:15 < Mercster> the dude abides
15:15 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: Is that like me calling guys "bitch"?
15:15 <@aestetix> Um. I need some blackface and an Oprah wig before I say "Girlfriend!"
15:17 <@polerin> Corydon76-dig: no, it's like "Male is the default in the english language in the US and I haven't bothered to wipe that particular expression out of my vocabulary."
15:17  * polerin sighs
15:17 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: you sexist bastard!  ;-)
15:17 <@aestetix> I'm gonna quote William Golding now
15:18 <@aestetix> "I don't know why women are always trying to be equals. They're better than us and always have been."
15:19 < Mercster> asskiss
15:20 <@Dolemite> The weaker sex is the stronger sex due to the weakness of the stronger sex for the weaker sex.
15:21 <@Dolemite> Don't remember who originally said that, but I've always like that quote.
15:21 <@aestetix> Mercster: I'm not kissing ass. That's my way of telling her to stfu
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15:27 <@polerin> aestetix: hey I wasn't the one talking about the inherent sexism of the language
15:27 <@polerin> Dolemite: it also happens to be bullshit :P
15:27 <@polerin> but anyway
15:27 <@polerin> back to learning AS3   ... blah.
15:28 <@aestetix> polerin: tell that to every guy who has to jerk off alone.
15:28 <@polerin> and that gives women power?  pht.
15:29 <@Dolemite> every gold digger out there is a shining example of why that statement is sometimes true
15:29 <@aestetix> it's easy for women to get laid
15:29 <@polerin> aestetix: and that's power?
15:29 <@polerin> pht.
15:29 <@aestetix> Yep.
15:30  * polerin is NOT getting into this discussion right now
15:30 < ware> i will!
15:30 <@polerin> I don't have any time for this
15:30  * aestetix hands the conch to ware
15:30 < ware> the only reason they have that perceived power is because men have made it that way
15:31 <@aestetix> Wow, three words with more than one syllable
15:31 <@aestetix> foru
15:31 <@aestetix> four*
15:31 < ware> because they are whores moreso than women used to be, until the women started using the pussy to get what they want
15:31 < ware> haha
15:31 <@aestetix> Ok. What is the oldest profession?
15:32 < ware> gardening
15:32 <@Dolemite> Well, plowing is involved...
15:32 < ware> and donkeys!
15:32 < ware> err.. sorry.
15:32 <@Dolemite> ware : Only when you come over
15:32 < ware> lulz lulz lulz
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15:33 <@polerin> actually the oldest profession is a priest :P
15:33 <@aestetix> I'm pretty sure people had sex before they worshipped a higher power.
15:33 < ware> people had to eat, so i say hunter
15:33 <@Evilpig> "sun happy, oog fuck now"
15:33 <@Dolemite> yeah, but they probably didn't negotiate at first
15:34 <@Corydon76-dig> Mating rituals aren't a matter of negotiation?
15:34 <@aestetix> Evilpig: sounds like ware's last date.
15:34 <@Dolemite> Corydon76-dig : Not when you bop 'em over the head with a club and drag them away
15:35 <@polerin> ware: talking about professions not just tasks, survival genrally doesn't count
15:35 <@Dolemite> However, initially people did have to eat, but they probably didn't make a profession out of hunting/gathering
15:35 <@Dolemite> I'm sure that sex trade preceded religion, though
15:35 <@Corydon76-dig> History channel suggests bugs were the first humans' food source
15:36 <@polerin> "sure"
15:36 <@polerin> how are you shure ;p
15:36 <@Dolemite> the same way that you're sure that religion was the first
15:36 <@Dolemite> it's all hypothetical
15:36 <@Dolemite> besides, you're "too busy" to get involved in this conversation
15:36 <@polerin> it's a different conversation :P
15:37 <@polerin> and i'm not really involved
15:37 <@aestetix> Ok. Let's say we lived in a society where child prostitution was legal.
15:37 <@Dolemite> Alabama?
15:37 <@aestetix> Would you whore out your 14 year old daughter to make an extra buck?
15:37 <@polerin> .. No?
15:38 <@aestetix> Actually, better question.
15:38 <@Corydon76-dig> Mississippi?
15:38 <@aestetix> Would you whore out your neighbor's 14 year old daughter?
15:38 <@polerin> not under any genral circumstances
15:38 <@Dolemite> What if prostitution was viewed as a worthy public service and those that provided that service were treated with honor?
15:39 <@Corydon76-dig> Then I'd lie back and raise my legs
15:39 <@polerin> heh
15:39 <@Dolemite> Damn skippy
15:39 <@polerin> You have to understand
15:39 <@Evilpig> Corydon76-dig: you'll lie back and raise your legs now
15:39 <@polerin> I've no objection to prostitution by choice
15:39 <@Corydon76-dig> Evilpig: yes, but I don't get paid for it
15:40 <@aestetix> Corydon76-dig: you have to bring them down before you can raise them back up again.
15:40 <@polerin> actually I think it should be legal so long as exit routes and sufficent protections are in place for sex workers
15:40 <@polerin> the issue is that I don't think anyone should be _prostituted_
15:40 <@Dolemite> So what about making your 14 year old work at Wal-Mart to help pay for groceries?
15:41 <@Corydon76-dig> Dolemite: that's not allowed, unless you can demonstrate that the food is going towards the 14yo's own nourishment
15:41 <@Dolemite> I doubt they'd be happy with their situation and there certainly may not be an exit route.
15:41 <@Corydon76-dig> (under current law)
15:42 <@Dolemite> Corydon76-dig : It is if they have a fake ID!
15:42 <@Corydon76-dig> Dolemite: precisely why having a fake ID is also not allowed
15:43 <@Dolemite> If Juan can get away with it, Bubba should be able to as well.
15:43 <@aestetix> Hmm.
15:43 <@aestetix> Child labor only counts as labor if you pay them, right?
15:44 <@aestetix> What if you set a 14 year old to bag groceries for you at Wal-Mart, and then, instead of giving them money, you fucked them every night?
15:44 <@aestetix> 14 year old [girl]
15:44 <@Dolemite> We're talking about a hypothetical in which prostitution of a child isn't criminalized, so I think we can stretch that to include child labor in general.
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15:45  * polerin sighs
15:45 <@polerin> why is this even a discussion
15:45 <@Dolemite> Because aestetix loves to stir up shit
15:46 <@Dolemite> and you love to tell everybody why it's wrong
15:46 <@aestetix> See, this is actually very effective economically.
15:46 <@Shadow404> we could always talk about Dolemite's post snip?
15:46 < ware> haha
15:46 <@Dolemite> Shadow404 : Thanks for asking, it's slightly better today.
15:46 <@Shadow404> haha
15:46 <@aestetix> We have totally removed the currency middleman. Assuming that sex has a currency value, by directly giving the 14 year old sex, you have offered retribution for their labor.
15:46 <@Dolemite> Instead of feeling like I'm constantly being kicked in the balls, it only feels like I got kicked in the balls 30 minutes ago.
15:48 <@Evilpig> why is this limited to a 14yr old?
15:48 <@Dolemite> That was aestetix' premise
15:48 <@aestetix> Evilpig: what age would you prefer?
15:48 <@Dolemite> But yeah, you've got a point...  you have a 15 year old and a 13 year old in the basement that you could put to work
15:48 <@nachoguy> aestetix needs someone he can overpower and drag into the woods
15:48 < ware> found my snowboard -> http://www.tactics.com/burton/coalition-love-snowboard?src=bzr
15:50 < eryc> haha
15:51 <@Dolemite> yay, time to limp out of here and go home to take a happy pill
15:51 <@Dolemite> later, kids
15:52 <@nachoguy> yay happy pills
15:52 <@Evilpig> i'm just saying if we're talking child labor and prostitution I think we should raise... err lower the bar to say 8 and use the same argument
15:52 <@Corydon76-dig> which bar?
15:53 <@Evilpig> age limit of what would be acceptable
15:55 <@Corydon76-dig> What's the age limit for prostitution in Nevada?
15:55 <@Corydon76-dig> 18?
15:55 <@Corydon76-dig> I know child labor is generally lower, probably around 12 or 13.
16:01 <@sdodson> why do you care?!
16:03 <@Shadow404> cause hes Corydon76-dig, that should explain that
16:05 <@Corydon76-dig> sdodson: I'm sorry that you don't care about kids
16:06 <@aestetix> Here's an interesting argument: are child sex laws in place to protect the children, or because sex with a 12 year old sucks?
16:06 <@Corydon76-dig> The reason we as a society permit a certain amount of child labor is that it's a valuable learning experience
16:07 <@brimstone> is there an iptables target that will duplicate a packet, change it's dest mac and send it out an interface?
16:07 <@Corydon76-dig> Uh, to protect the kids, of course
16:07 <@aestetix> brimstone: stay on topic
16:07 <@aestetix> I think it also has the added effect of protecting adults.
16:07 <@Corydon76-dig> brimstone: duplicate or redirect?
16:08 <@aestetix> By enforcing a minimum age requirement, you can only fuck people with a certain degree of maturity.
16:08 <@Corydon76-dig> brimstone: what are you looking to do with the extra packet, log it?
16:08 <@aestetix> Which, in turn, helps make relationships last. Rather than dealing with attention-craving toddlers.
16:08 <@Corydon76-dig> aestetix: Uh, gross
16:09 <@brimstone> Corydon76-dig: duplicate, i don't want it to hinder the original packet at all
16:09 <@Corydon76-dig> brimstone: UDP only?
16:09 <@brimstone> man, i'm glad i wasn't anmed Rusty Russell
16:09 <@brimstone> Corydon76-dig: no, i'd like it to do everything
16:09 <@brimstone> more importantly tcp
16:09 < ware> brimstone: then we would call you rus rus
16:09 <@Corydon76-dig> brimstone: you would have the potential to break TCP horribly with that
16:10 < ware> not if the listening device / interface was only listening
16:10 < ware> and on a seperate subnet
16:10 <@Corydon76-dig> ware: right, logging only
16:11 <@brimstone> Corydon76-dig: the end goal is to send all of the incoming/outgoing traffic from the router to a snortbox, much like a "mirror" port on a switch
16:11 <@Corydon76-dig> separate subnet wouldn't matter, as long as it didn't try to respond
16:11 <@brimstone> but i dont' have those fancy switches at home :/
16:11 < ware> hub?
16:11 <@brimstone> the box shouldn't try to respond, being all promiscous
16:12 < ware> put a hub on that interface
16:12 < ware> with the network uplink on a port and the snort box on one
16:12 <@brimstone> herm, is there a software way of doing a hub?
16:12 < ware> brimstone: please paypal $100 for consulting, thanks
16:13 <@brimstone> ware: sent
16:13 < ware> thnx
16:14 <@brimstone> but yeah, a hub, maybe with a modified one way ethernet cable, would be a very cheap way of doing this too
16:14 < ware> http://www.stealthisblog.fr/2008/06/05/mirroring-de-traffic-via-iptables-debian-etch/
16:14 <@Evilpig> I just found that too
16:14 <@brimstone> only needs to be 10/100
16:14 <@Evilpig> a hub would be the easiest way
16:14 <@scoil> aww i missed who said my nick in here
16:14 < ware> 12:10 <ware> scoil: ur dum
16:15 <@scoil> okay so i didn't miss
16:15 < ware> why would ya have to mod the cable? if the listening interface was promiscuous you wouldnt have to
16:15 < eryc> brimstone: you can make a cat5 splitter
16:15 < ware> it wouldnt even need/have an ip address
16:15 <@brimstone> eryc: oh?
16:16 < ware> those pesky makers, always trying to reinvent the wheel... ;)
16:16 <@brimstone> but yeah, just promiscuous should be fine
16:16 <@brimstone> now where can i find a 3+ port hub?
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16:16 <@Evilpig> check the dumpster behind any office
16:16 <@brimstone> for real
16:16 <@ShadowHntr> i used to have a 16-port hub
16:16 <@Corydon76-dig> brimstone: you should be able to do this with the ULOG target
16:17 <@ShadowHntr> 3com officeconnect
16:17 <@ShadowHntr> or how about ip masquerading
16:17 <@brimstone> i had a 78 port hub for a while in the dorm
16:17 < eryc> http://hackaday.com/2008/09/14/passive-networking-tap/
16:17 <@Corydon76-dig> brimstone: along with a daemon to retransmit the packets
16:17 <@brimstone> Corydon76-dig: oh?
16:17 <@Corydon76-dig> brimstone: ULOG is a non-terminating target
16:17 <@Corydon76-dig> This  target  provides  userspace logging of matching packets.  When this target is set for a rule, the Linux kernel will multicast this packet through a
16:17 <@Corydon76-dig>        netlink socket. One or more userspace processes may then subscribe to various multicast groups and receive the packets.  Like LOG, this is a  "non-termi‐
16:17 <@Corydon76-dig>        nating target", i.e. rule traversal continues at the next rule.
16:18 <@Evilpig> http://cgi.ebay.com/Netgear-DS104-4-Port-Dual-Speed-10-100-Hub-w-Uplink_W0QQitemZ190278827550QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCOMP_EN_Hubs?hash=item190278827550&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50
16:19 <@brimstone> ~minilink
16:19 <@brimstone> bot still down?
16:19 <@Evilpig> bot isn't in here
16:19 <@scoil> for the past months
16:19 <@Evilpig> MaxieZ took his bot and went home
16:19 <@Corydon76-dig> I'm not terribly familiar with multicast, though, so writing such a daemon might be a challenge
16:21 < eryc> brimstone: you could try arp flooding the switch
16:26 <@brimstone> lol
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16:31 <@sdodson> hi
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16:39 <@Evilpig> I might attempt to get a bot in here again
16:40 < ware> ackis is pretty eleet
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16:53 <@TheLightCosine> hrm you can't set a cname for @, so how am i supposed to get the root domain to redirect
16:54 <@brimstone> home.
16:54 <@brimstone> or www.
16:54 <@TheLightCosine> i have www
16:55 <@TheLightCosine> so www.thelightcosine.net redirects but http://thelightcosine.net does not
16:55 <@brimstone> It works!
16:55 <@TheLightCosine> ?
16:55 <@brimstone> your page
16:55 <@scoil> indeed
16:55 <@scoil> both
16:55 <@TheLightCosine> oh yeah the default apache page
16:56 <@TheLightCosine> wait, so both of them went to that page?
16:56 <@scoil> ya
16:57 <@brimstone> yeah, your root is a cname
16:57 <@scoil> dnsdojo?>
16:57 <@TheLightCosine> hrm without the www it still goes to a godaddy ad page for me
16:57 <@scoil> wtf is that
16:57 <@TheLightCosine> dyndns
16:57 <@scoil> ugh dont you know anything about dns
16:57 <@scoil> you rpobavbly tried and goto the page and now it's cached
16:57 <@scoil> at your dns server
16:58 <@brimstone> could be that your dns server has it cached still
16:58 <@TheLightCosine> oh
16:58 <@scoil> wait 4 hrs
16:58 <@scoil> and try agin
16:58 <@TheLightCosine> i flsuhed local cache
16:58 <@TheLightCosine> didn't think about server side
16:58 <@scoil>  but ur dns server has it cached
16:58 <@TheLightCosine> and no coil i don't know much about dns, hence why i am asking.
16:59 <@scoil> sry
16:59 < eryc> you can't cname @
16:59 <@scoil> i woke up on the wrong side of the bed
16:59 <@TheLightCosine> yeah apparently explicitly cnaming the root domain works tho
16:59 < eryc> domain.com needs an A rec and a vhost entry
17:00 <@brimstone> TheLightCosine: it should work for you in less then an hour
17:00 < eryc> TheLightCosine: with godaddy?
17:00 <@TheLightCosine> yeah
17:00 <@scoil> is the ttl lower brim
17:00 <@scoil> i didn't che k
17:00 <@brimstone> scoil: yeah, it's set to 1hr
17:00 <@scoil> ok
17:00  * brimstone stores stuff in scoil's dns server
17:01 <@scoil> ?
17:01 <@TheLightCosine> the last time i 'ran' a site i just used a hosting service, a 8 year old could ahve figured out how to set it up heh
17:01 <@scoil> shit theres old people that cant even do that
17:02 <@sdodson> brimstone: TXT recordz!
17:02 <@TheLightCosine> yes well they also can't click on icons
17:02 <@brimstone> werd sdodson
17:02 < eryc> thats weird that godaddy allows @ cnames
17:02 <@sdodson> time to go to the bar!
17:02 <@sdodson> then hopefully make it home in time to attend departmental meetings
17:03 <@nachoguy> you're attending dept. meetings from home?
17:03 <@brimstone> no, the departmental meetings are at 11am tomorrow
17:03 < eryc> thelightcosine.net.     3600    IN      CNAME   thelightcosine.dnsdojo.net.
17:03 < eryc> thelightcosine.net.     86400   IN      SOA     ns27.domaincontrol.com. dns.jomax.net. 2009010700 28800 7200 604800 86400
17:03 < eryc> those 2 are technically in conflict
17:03 <@nachoguy> ah
17:06 <@TheLightCosine> eryc: why?
17:07 < eryc> http://www.ops.ietf.org/lists/namedroppers/namedroppers.2001/msg00041.html
17:08 <@TheLightCosine> oh i get it
17:09 <@TheLightCosine> if the root is a cname then all authority needs to be passed on to the delegate domain right?
17:09 < eryc> right
17:09 <@TheLightCosine> will it cause serious issues?
17:09 < eryc> well, as i understand it
17:10 < eryc> no i doubt it
17:10 < eryc> and as long as web browsers and email works, who cares
17:10 <@TheLightCosine> fair enough
17:10 <@Evilpig> freenode is on 6666 right?
17:10 < eryc> i recently tried to get powerdns to cname @'s but it causes bad responses
17:11 <@scoil> * MOTD File is missing
17:11 < eryc> apparently ina a really old version of bind you could do it
17:11 <@scoil> wtf\
17:11 <@scoil> freenode motd file is missing!!!
17:11 <@scoil> on this server
17:11 <@TheLightCosine> eryc i didn't technically cname @ i explicity did cname thelightcosine.net
17:13 < eryc> @ is like a bind variable representing the current domain
17:14 < eryc> i didnt feel like typing domain.com
17:15 <@TheLightCosine> yeah i know, it wouldn't let me use @ tho is what i'm trying to say, but it would strangely let me explicitly type it out
17:15 < eryc> ah
17:15 < eryc> well they may not be using bind so @ may not have meaning
17:15 < eryc> and its not a valid dns char
17:17 <@TheLightCosine> the initial A record was set t @ tho
17:17 <@TheLightCosine> i dunno it's wierd
17:17 <@TheLightCosine> as coil pointed out i dunno much about dns
17:19 <@TheLightCosine> hahaha i love all the default cnames it built in they create a real mess
17:19 <@TheLightCosine> ftp.thelightcosine.net.	3600	IN	CNAME	thelightcosine.net
17:20 <@TheLightCosine> helightcosine.net.	2739	IN	CNAME	thelightcosine.dnsdojo.net.
17:20 <@TheLightCosine> thelightcosine.dnsdojo.net. 60	IN	A	98.211.36.210
17:20 < ware> $ host thelightcosine.net
17:20 < ware> thelightcosine.net is an alias for thelightcosine.dnsdojo.net.
17:20 < ware> thelightcosine.dnsdojo.net has address 98.211.36.210
17:20 < ware> muchos easier
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17:47 <@TheLightCosine> damn kid i leave her alone for 5 minutes and she rips another key off my keyboard
17:47 <@scoil> bitchslap key
17:47 <@scoil> key=kid
18:05 <@aestetix> Maybe it's time for prostitution.
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18:23 <@aestetix> hmm
18:23 <@aestetix> Anyone used mailman?
18:23 <@aestetix> Trying to set up mass subscribe, but it's only allowing 1 email subscription per use
18:23 <@aestetix> even when I enter more than 1
18:23 <@brimstone> just put them one per line in the mass subscribe box
18:24 <@brimstone> it's worked for me on 3 different installs
18:24 <@brimstone> by default
18:25 <@aestetix> That's what I was doing.
18:25 <@aestetix> Hmm.
18:25 <@aestetix> It's via sf.net
18:32 <@jb7od> happy 2oo9 droogs.
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21:14 <@Dagmar> I think Comcast broke something
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21:21 <@Dagmar> Oh fun
21:22 <@Dagmar> Yeah I got a busy signal when I tried to call tech support.
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21:23 <@Dagmar> Dropped packets at the atlanta gateway for Comcast
21:25 <@scoil> oh noes panic
21:25 <@scoil> everyone this is defcon 1
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21:39 <@scoil> i find that hilarious
21:39 <@scoil> but i might be affected by this shit too
21:39 <@scoil> im laggin hardcore
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21:43 <@scoil> ROFL
21:43 <@scoil> ROFL
21:43 <@scoil> ROFL
21:43 <@scoil> COMCASTPWND
21:43 <@scoil> COMCASTPWND
21:43 <@scoil> COMCASTPWND
21:44 -!- scoil changed the topic of #se2600 to: HAHAHAH COMCASTPWND
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22:08 < someninjamaster> wow
22:10 <@scoil> still pwnd
22:11 < someninjamaster> yeah
22:11 < someninjamaster> i wonder what happened
22:12 <@scoil> <Dagmar> Dropped packets at the atlanta gateway for Comcast
22:15 <@sdodson> sweet, so now that all the losers are gone...
22:26 <@jb7od> what happened to it?
22:26 <@jb7od> lol
22:26 <@scoil> router
22:26 <@jb7od> i have a comcater on the phone and they can hit comcast.com but no route out
22:26 <@jb7od> lol
22:26 <@scoil> some noob tripped over the internet and unplugged it
22:26 <@jb7od> lol
22:29 <@sdodson> oh wait jb7od is still here, nevermind
22:32 < eryc> twittererers are peeved
22:32 < eryc> http://search.twitter.com/search?q=comcast
22:33 < eryc> apparently like all of TN, AL, and MS are down
22:33 < eryc> lulz
22:34 < eryc> http://twitter.com/comcastcares
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22:36 < someninjamaste> comcast ftl
22:40 <@jb7od> tsh.
22:42 <@scoil> kick him jb7od !
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22:42 <@scoil> loloser
22:42 <@loser> damn
22:43 <@loser> that thing is registered
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22:43 <@jb7od> lol
22:43 <@jb7od> there's one guy in #loser
22:43 <@jb7od> lol
22:43 <@scoil> lol
22:43 <@scoil> what a loser
22:43 <@scoil> to be in a chan by your selrf
22:44 < eryc> what about #losers?
22:44 <@jb7od> hahaha
22:44 <@jb7od> nope, just me.
22:44 < eryc> and me
22:45 <@jb7od> because i'm the biggest to evr breathe a breath, u just ask that guy.
22:45 <@jb7od> reads me like a book... sees right thru my bullshit to the cowering noob inside
22:49 <@dasunt> There's nobody in #losers.  :(
22:49 <@dasunt> Also, it's hard to quit a channel when you're too drunk to type /part
22:51 <@scoil> ima loser baby so why dont you kill me
22:51 <@jb7od> damn i forgot about that tune
22:51 <@jb7od> that was dude's best thing
22:52 <@scoil> becvk
22:52 <@scoil> -v
22:52 <@scoil> ?
22:52 < eryc> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WHRxXY67UA
22:52 <@jb7od> aye.
22:53 <@scoil> nope eryc didn't laugh
22:54 <@sdodson> i did
22:55 <@scoil> seen it didn't phase me the internet is boring when you seen it all
22:57 <@sdodson> scoil: omg you're so hardcore
22:58 <@scoil> 'i told u i was hardcore'
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23:19 < eryc> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzd1OiP27s0
23:20 <@brimstone> thanks comcast
23:20 <@brimstone> almost 2 hours on that one
23:22 <@Dagmar> That was MAJOR
23:22 <@Dagmar> Did you call their CS line?
23:22 <@Dagmar> "We are currently experiencing a complete internet outage for our entire service area."
23:23 <@brimstone> nope
23:23 <@Dagmar> ...which includes all of middle Tennessee and central Kentucky.
23:23 <@brimstone> it looks like our route to nashville died
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23:23 <@Dagmar> eh?
23:24 <@scoil> cry about it
23:24 <@Dagmar> Comcast's link between Nashville and Atlanta just fell over and died.
23:24 <@Drag0n> were sorry, but due to engineer error, we have no redundant network routes ANYWHERE
23:24 <@scoil> blog it too
23:24 <@Dagmar> Hell I'm suprised it didn't make the 10 o'clock news
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23:24 <@Dagmar> It may have
23:24 <@Dagmar> I just haven't caught the re-air yet.
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23:25 <@Dagmar> The link between te-4-2-ar01.nashville.tn.nash.comcast.net and te-0-1-0-4-cr01.atlanta.ga.ibone.comcast.net was just plain dead.
23:25 <@Drag0n> ibone.comcast.net? sounds like what they did to the network
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23:27 <@Drag0n> at least its not wonderboner.comcast.net
23:27 <@Dagmar> The real bummer is this
23:27 <@Dagmar> ...and as well as being a reason why .NET coders should be shot.
23:28 <@Dagmar> I was sitting here before/during the outage working with this .NET program called "Rawr" which is basically an equipment upgrade plotter for World of Warcraft.
23:28 <@scoil> blog it too
23:28 <@Dagmar> I just finished straightening out the details for like 200 potential upgrades, and the fucking thing shat itself and corrupted it's entire item database when the internet went away in mid-transaction.
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23:30 <@someninjamaster>  by the power of grayskull i have the powerrrrrrrr
23:31 <@Dagmar> hheh
23:31 <@Dagmar> Slowly but surely the Nashville crowd starts trickling back in
23:32 <@someninjamaster> i wonder what the hell happened
23:32 <@Dagmar> The link between te-4-2-ar01.nashville.tn.nash.comcast.net and te-0-1-0-4-cr01.atlanta.ga.ibone.comcast.net was just plain dead.
23:32 <@Dagmar> Did you call the CS line?
23:35 <@someninjamaster> no i just said screw it
23:35 <@someninjamaster> and swaped to my aircard
23:35 <@Dagmar> Their OGM basically said that they had murdered the internet for all of middle tennessee and central kentucky.
23:38 < Mercster> Dagmar: knoxville couldnt get past nashville...seem to be routed around through GA presently
23:38 <@sdodson> comcast users make me lulzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
23:38 <@sdodson> Mercster: he kant hear you
23:38 < Mercster> sdodson: YOU SHUT UP
23:38 < Mercster> sdodson: sure he can
23:38 <@Dagmar> Mercster: Actually it should normally be going Knoxville->Nashville->Atlanta, which is where things fell through
23:38 <@someninjamaster> what almighty service do you use sdodson
23:41 < eryc> i got a big fat cox pipe
23:42 < eryc> check out this shit!
23:42 < eryc> http://link.brightcove.com/services/player/bcpid1612844765?bctid=6545555001
23:42 < eryc> shows the cops face after he shoots the kid point blank
23:44 <@someninjamaster> eryc: its just glock finger
23:45 <@someninjamaster> cops have been shooting people in high stress situations for years
23:45 < eryc> im not sure the situation was "high stress" tho
23:46 <@someninjamaster> arresting multiple suspects
23:47 < eryc> unless he's just a bitch
23:47 < eryc> which seems to be the case
23:47 <@someninjamaster> with tons of people yelling
23:47 <@someninjamaster> and take into account that glocks have hair triggers
23:47 <@someninjamaster> thats why you keep your finger outside the trigger guard untill your ready to fire
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