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02:07  * Catonic stumbles into things
02:58 <+DigitalIrony> anyone here?
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03:10 <@Catonic> saldy yes
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03:36 <+DigitalIrony> I am working on some code
03:37 <+DigitalIrony> I am kind of new, but this might be simple
03:37 <+DigitalIrony> I am trying to get sprintf(buf to work in a child process
03:38 <@Catonic> that's beyond me
03:39 < TheLightcosine> why does it need to be a process? why can't you just sue threading?
03:39 < TheLightcosine> *use
03:47 <+DigitalIrony> would have to look at the whole code really
03:47 <+DigitalIrony> its a function called do_copyover
03:48 < TheLightcosine> what lang is this in?
03:48 <+DigitalIrony> c
03:48 <+DigitalIrony> will you look at the code?
03:48 < TheLightcosine> I'd be happy to, if i knew a damn thing about C =P
03:48 <+DigitalIrony> oh
03:49 < TheLightcosine> now if this was perl i could help you do it inside 15 minutes
03:49 <+DigitalIrony> heh
03:49 < TheLightcosine> as far as C/++/# i really only know a very little
03:51 < TheLightcosine> i would imagine however that C has a Fork() function built into it somewhere if you really want a child process
03:51 <+DigitalIrony> yeah
03:51 <+DigitalIrony> thats not the problem
03:51 <+DigitalIrony> see
03:52 <+DigitalIrony> I have a child process working fine
03:52 <+DigitalIrony> but my sprintf isn't working from inside
04:23 < TheLightcosine> gah i hate working in windows soemtimes
04:23 < TheLightcosine> i sat there for a good thirty seconds going "wtf do you mean ls is not recognized?"
04:23 < TheLightcosine> "oooh riight, dir"
05:08 <@Catonic> am I seriously the only one in here crazy enough to run FreeBSD on Sparc?
05:08 < TheLightcosine> yes
05:08 < TheLightcosine> yes you are
05:17 < TheLightcosine> arrg wtf
05:19 < TheLightcosine> i'm trying to embed an exe into this vbapp as a n embedded resource then have it write the file back out to hard disk on runtime, but for some reason when it finishes writing the file size is inflated and the executable won't run
05:38 < TheLightcosine> gah, comapring the original exe to the created one in a hex editor the ammount of data that's wrong is staggering
05:38 < TheLightcosine> wtf am i doing wrong
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06:26 <@Shadow404> meow
06:28 <@Catonic> woof.
06:28 <@Catonic> is it true you ride the bus to work?
06:32 <@Shadow404> used to
06:32 <@Shadow404> *use to
06:32 <@Catonic> now you just hitch?
06:32 <@Shadow404> lawl, na, cheaper to drive again
06:33 <@Shadow404> and i get an extra 50 minutes of sleep
06:33 <@Catonic> what was the bus line? marta?
06:33 <@Shadow404> cct/marta
06:33 <@Shadow404> but its a cct line
06:33 <@Catonic> right.
06:36 < TheLightcosine> wow that was a pain in the ass to figure out,
06:37 <@Shadow404> i think Corydon76-dig suggest boy butter for that
06:37 < TheLightcosine> ?
06:38 <@Shadow404> pain in the ass
06:38 < TheLightcosine> oh hah
06:39 < TheLightcosine> i finally nailed the problem down to encoding issues and realsaied i wouldn't be able to use a standard streamreader/streamwriter so i sued a binaryreader and binarywriter but to do that i had to know the exact byte count of the exe in the first place. really it was a simple soloution i just was going about it wrongheadedly
06:43 <@Catonic> TheLightcosine: touch perl much?
06:45 < TheLightcosine> you mean in general ?
06:46 < TheLightcosine> wait is this some kind of joke?
06:53 <@Catonic> yes
06:53 <@Catonic> you said thinking of a solution wrongheadedly.
06:53 < TheLightcosine> and?
07:00 <@Catonic> the rest is left as an exercise for the reader.
07:00 <@NotLarry> shhh, I'm trying to sleep here
07:05 <@NotLarry> someone dig something for me?
07:17 < TheLightcosine> ?
07:17 < TheLightcosine> like dns dig, or dig like digg.com?
07:24 <@Shadow404> dig @ns1.yomama.com nightly.org
07:25 <@Shadow404> even better: dig @ns1.yomama.com nightly.org AXFR
07:48 <@NotLarry> dns dig
07:49 <@Shadow404> what at?
07:55 <@NotLarry> www.r00tw4rz.org and www.theangrylemming.org
08:00 <@NotLarry> well damn.
08:01 < TheLightcosine> what records are you looking for? just the A record?
08:02 < TheLightcosine>  ;; ANSWER SECTION:
08:02 < TheLightcosine> www.theangrylemming.org. 38400	IN	CNAME	namecaller.theangrylemming.org.
08:02 < TheLightcosine> namecaller.theangrylemming.org.	3840 IN	A	63.149.18.7
08:02 < TheLightcosine>  www.r00tw4rz.org.	86258	IN	A	63.149.18.7
08:08 < TheLightcosine> lol, who needs youtube when we have access to our email quarantine zone lol
08:08 < TheLightcosine> there is some funny shit that gets caught in the mail filters
08:22 <@Shadow404> omg, this customer is freaking out cause hes getting daily spam email from reunion.com and their opt out system is not working
08:22 <@Shadow404> reads like this is a fucking national emergency
08:22 <@Shadow404> is it really that hard to setup a filter for reunion.com emails rather than wasting hours trying to get them to remove you
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09:00 <@nachoguy> mr0nin
09:05 < TheLightcosine> yo
09:21 <@NotLarry> ok, time to go finish moving the family
09:26 <@Shadow404> Evilpig is doomed
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09:34 < dc0de> morning all
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09:50 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
09:51 <@Dolemite> and might I add, "ouch"
09:53  * Dolemite goes back to the couch with his bag of frozen corn
09:55 <@Evilpig> haha
09:56 <@Evilpig> wow.  novell just gave me the funniest possible fix ever
09:56 < remoford1> ?
09:56 <@Evilpig> As you noticed, the install is failing because eDirectory and LDAP are reporting their versions incorrectly.  One possible solution is to manually change the product versions and see if the install can complete.
09:57 <@Evilpig> You will get a graphical interfaces for the product.dat file. There you can change the entries for eDirectory and LDAP to match the correct fomat (i.e., 88.4.0 instead of 8.8.4) so the install can proceed.  After install, run it again and put back the original versions. 
09:57 <@Shadow404> basically, hack our software and then put it back after u install something
09:58 <@Shadow404> nice
10:00 <@Evilpig> yup
10:03 < TheLightcosine> grr
10:03 < TheLightcosine> M$ has the unsolictedrcui.htm boobytrapped like crazy to keep people from tampering with it
10:04 < TheLightcosine> they could have at least included an option to pass parameters to it
10:13 <@nachoguy> dc0de, Did you see that your favorite polition made the news?
10:15 <@nachoguy> http://www.11alive.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=125121&catid=40
10:17 < TheLightcosine> wow, i love the ignorant comments
10:19 < TheLightcosine> the same people who criticise her for not paying more attention to home are probably the same people who said "hell yeah let's bomb iraq"
10:20 < TheLightcosine> "srael is one country willing to stand up to the terrorist bullies that constantly aggress against them. If there were more countries like Israel then radical Islam and terrorism would not be a treat to the rest of the world. " <-lol , i somehow doubt that they'd like it so much if the US started using Israel's tactics to stand up to terrorism
10:22 < TheLightcosine> so who is this cynthia mckinney anyways that people hate her so much?
10:28 < remoford1> "Former Georgia Congresswoman"
10:28 < TheLightcosine> yes, well i got that but what did she do that has so much vitriol leveled against her?
10:28 < remoford1> thats bound to generate some animosity
10:32 < remoford1> she is a 9/11 conspiracy theorist who thinks we should appease terrorists
10:32 < remoford1> thats what i getting from wikipedia
10:33 <@oddball> TheLightcosine: Yeah... she's bat-shit insane
10:33 < TheLightcosine> "In Congress, she advocated unsealing records pertaining to the assassination of Martin Luther King, Jr., and an investigation into the murder of Tupac Shakur" <-roflmao!
10:35 < TheLightcosine> congress should investigate the murder of a rapper? wow
10:35 < TheLightcosine> how did someone like that get elected?
10:36 < TheLightcosine> that being said, the israeli line about their "humanitarian efforts" is still horseshit
10:39 < remoford1> she also claims that the federal goverment went around shooting people in the head to a count of about 5000 and buried them in a swamp during katrina
10:39 < remoford1> bat-shit insane indeed
10:40 < TheLightcosine> well i guess that depends on whether by the governemnt you mean the NOPD
10:40 < TheLightcosine> i dunno about 5000 people
10:40 < TheLightcosine> but NOPD are some of the most brutal 'cops' in the country
10:40 < TheLightcosine> as well as corrupt
10:41 < TheLightcosine> i suppose she also beleives spike lee about bush ordering the levees blown up right?
10:41 < TheLightcosine> *believes
10:43 <@rhia> well, some people in a little town outside of NOLA did, actually, go around shooting people who came to their town after katrina - but, not 5k and not gubment people
10:44 <@rhia> and, yes, Cynthia McKinney IS batshit crazy - tho, like a broken clock, she gets it right occasionally, just not 99.9998%
10:44 < remoford1> she makes it sound lie some sort of mini holocaust
10:45 < remoford1> which is funny for an anti semite
10:46 <@rhia> only on alternate days ending in 'y'
10:46 < remoford1> and she decided to ignore and try to out run a warship
10:46 < remoford1> nice
10:47 < TheLightcosine> she's lucky they didn't just bury in her the desert
10:47 < TheLightcosine> Israel doesn't fuck around
10:47 < remoford1> so i guess your question is anserwed TheLightcosine
10:48 < TheLightcosine> hrm
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10:48 < TheLightcosine> i dunno, Giulliani(sp?) is totaly flippin nuts too i guess i'm just surprised at the vehemance of it all
10:49 <@rhia> TheLightcosine: well, she assaulted a capitol hill guard for doing his job because SHE wasn't wearing her pin and he asked her to stop and be identified
10:50 <@rhia> she's a walking billboard for the Entitlement Attitude - it illicits a knee-jerk reaction
10:50 < TheLightcosine> true enough
10:51 < remoford1> and ppl wonder how democrats in general get painted with such a brush
10:51 < TheLightcosine> hah
10:51 < TheLightcosine> it's not just the dems remoford1
10:51 < remoford1> just sayin
10:51 <@rhia> she's not a typical democrat - esp since she ran as the Green candidate
10:52 < TheLightcosine> i'm sorry but i've got a beef with any 'civil servant' who owns six different houses when most people can't afford 1 right now
10:52 < remoford1> she is certianly representative of a large chunk of georgia tho
10:53 < TheLightcosine> that's one thing i didn't get about the Sarah Palin thing, one of the things she got attacked on was that she took out per diem expenses even tho she worked from home a bunch
10:53 <@rhia> remoford1: not hardly - just a subslice of one section - most of GA is Red
10:53 < TheLightcosine> my first reaction was "who cares, we've got politicians who are flying around on private jets on our dime. Why shouldn't she go out to eat?"
10:54 < remoford1> rhia: enough to get her elected several times,not a majority but a large chunk
10:54 < TheLightcosine> the dems and the reps are at each other's throats so bad the hypocrisy on either side is choking
10:54 <@rhia> remoford1: she represents one gerrymandered district, not the whole state
10:55 <@rhia> she only had to get that one district to vote for her - and she's poured a lot of gubment $$ back into that district
10:56 < remoford1> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:United_States_House_of_Representatives,_Georgia_District_04,_110th_Congress.png
10:56 < remoford1> that district being east atlanta
10:56 <@rhia> yeah - district, she's a rep, not a senator
10:56 <@rhia> remoford1: ever been in her district?
10:57 < remoford1> occasionaly, not extensivly
10:58 < remoford1> that is a large chunk,population wise if not geogrphically
10:58 <@rhia> it's like blaming Sonoma for Pelosi
11:00 < remoford1> im just sayng thats a whole 15% of the ga pop
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11:00 <@rhia> not a lot of 6+figures move into that district
11:00 < remoford1> and the sebtiment extends far beyord that district
11:01 <@rhia> grew up in GA, i know that most of the rest of the state despise her, but, whatever
11:01 < remoford1> of course they do
11:02 < remoford1> its prolly also fair to say that most whites over however old (im not sure exactly where to draw the line) despise black people
11:03 <@rhia> on that note -
11:03 < remoford1> err
11:03 < remoford1> in georgia
11:03 < remoford1> sry
11:03  * rhia throws her hands up
11:03 < TheLightcosine> hrm well she's batshit crazy but i dun think she ranks quite past Katherine Harris for me
11:03 < remoford1> im just saying you cant say she is some random wack job who isnt representative of anything
11:03 < remoford1> she clearly is
11:06 <@rhia> <rhia> she only had to get that one district to vote for her - and she's poured a lot of gubment $$ back into that district
11:06 <@rhia> emphasis on "a LOT"
11:06 < remoford1> thats pretty par for the course
11:07 < TheLightcosine> i wish an elected official woiuld pour some guberment money into my hospital bills
11:07 < TheLightcosine> or my wife's student loans
11:07 <@rhia> TheLightcosine: heard that
11:07 < remoford1> yay taxes
11:08 < remoford1> i gt a pay cut and reduced benefits for this year and ppl want more taxes
11:08 <@rhia> if they're pouring it out to help 'the people' why not just help the people instead of passing it onto the multimillionaires and hope they drop a few pennies?
11:09 < TheLightcosine> i'm telling ya, we need some "trickle-up" economics
11:10 <@Shadow404> wow, market has been odd the last 2 days
11:10 < TheLightcosine> speaking of georgia lol
11:10 < remoford1> i say they dont take it in the first place
11:10 < remoford1> they certianly arent going to hand any out to me
11:10 < remoford1> and im no multimillionaire
11:11 < TheLightcosine> and had mccain won, they wouldn't have handed you one of those 'taxcuts' they promised either
11:11 < remoford1> nope
11:11 < TheLightcosine> instead it would have all gone to companies that make wooden arrow shafts and shit like that
11:11 < remoford1> yep
11:13 < TheLightcosine> obama and mccain the "change candidates" what a joke
11:13 <@rhia> remoford1: well, 350B is already "poofed" - and you got a pay cut and reduced benefits - not quite a fair deal for our taxes, eh?
11:14 <@sdodson> hai gaiz
11:14 < remoford1> rhia: i was against all the bailouts, financial and otherwise
11:14 < remoford1> and 350B bah
11:15 < remoford1> try 800b directly and 2t from teh reserve
11:15 < remoford1> which is why i find this haggling over a 'few' b for the auto makers so silly
11:15 <@rhia> one of the plans they're floating now gives back about $19 a paycheck - which sounds suspiciously like a tax cut, but they say it's not
11:15 <@critch> remoford1: you need to know that the federal reserve is not the government. They are as government as federal express is.
11:16 < remoford1> its like not getting power windows on a lamborgini
11:16 <@sdodson> You can now get a car that parallel parks for you.
11:16 <@rhia> sdodson: seen where that might be a good thing
11:17 <@Corydon76-dig> remoford1: I wouldn't say that I'm necessarily against particular bailouts, but I will agree that the case for a bailout has not been made
11:17 < TheLightcosine> it's gotta do a better job than msot drivers in nashville could heh
11:17 <@rhia> watched someone spend nearly _20_ minutes trying to parallel on our street -
11:17 <@Corydon76-dig> Were a convincing case to be made, I could see myself being in favor of one
11:17 < TheLightcosine> oh come on the autoindustry has been "failing" as long as i can remember
11:17 <@rhia> i wanted to walk over and say _ gimme the keys, dayam
11:17 <@critch> sdodson: hehe, saw that on TopGear a season or two ago, seems stage lighting really fouls up the system for telling where the cars are.
11:17 <@sdodson> critch: lolz
11:17 < TheLightcosine> where's all that right-wing "free market economy" crap now?
11:17 < remoford1> rhia: now to be fair, a lot of folks only see a parallel parking space maybe one a month
11:18 < remoford1> and might not use one but once a year
11:18 < remoford1> we aint all city slickers
11:18 <@Corydon76-dig> TheLightcosine: the real rightwing is STILL saying it
11:18 <@rhia> remoford1: she lives in this complex, parks on the street all the time
11:18 < remoford1> lol
11:18 <@Corydon76-dig> The fakers aren't right wing; they're populists.  They'll say whatever gets them votes.
11:19 <@rhia> remoford1: but usually gets home early enough to pull up, not parallel
11:19 < TheLightcosine> heh, while still giving out massive subsidies to telcos :P
11:19 <@sdodson> Ford Active Park Assist : http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/12/31/ford-to-automate-parallel-parking-with-active-park-assist/
11:19 < remoford1> critch: the federal reserve is not a private entity
11:19 <@sdodson> Available on a few 09 models, available on 90% of the ford models in 2012
11:19 <@Corydon76-dig> I think if we declared a 5 year moratorium on all subsidies, we'd see a real shakeout and we'd get the industries that will really benefit us over the next 100 years to emerge
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11:20 < TheLightcosine> it'll never happen
11:20 <@sdodson> Corydon76-dig: I don't think it's possible to know what industries will be valued 100 years from now.
11:20 < TheLightcosine> a lot of those companies are latched on tight to the breast
11:20 <@sdodson> I don't see the ability to forecast more than 20 years.
11:20 <@sdodson> I AM LATCHED TIGHT TO BREASTS!
11:20 <@Corydon76-dig> sdodson: correct; but the subsidies distort the market
11:21 <@sdodson> h4b
11:21 <@Shadow404> woot for breasts
11:21 <@critch> sdodson: but isn't Ford the ones putting Microsoft in the Dashboard too. So screwed up.
11:21 < TheLightcosine> lol
11:21 <@sdodson> critch: Ya.
11:21 <@sdodson> I'm not worried about that, that's just for music and shit.
11:21 <@oddball> critch: well, yes, but the microsoft voice recognition actually works.
11:21 < TheLightcosine> d00d i w4n7 an 055 c4r!
11:21 <@sdodson> what?
11:21 <@oddball> They're also the one out of the three that hasn't taken any bail out money.
11:22 < TheLightcosine> "The new Toyota Penquin, hybrid engine, heated leather seats, and pre-installed with Debian"
11:22 < TheLightcosine> lol =P
11:22 <@critch> oddball: and they are the ones with the crappiest line up of cars too.
11:22 <@critch> TheLightcosine: I want that
11:22 < TheLightcosine> exactly =P
11:23 <@Shadow404> toyota is the way to go, woot debian
11:23 <@sdodson> debian nerdz!
11:23 < TheLightcosine> it'd give wardriving a whole new meaning =P
11:23 <@sdodson> resistance is futile, ubuntu will cannabalize your users!
11:23 <@Shadow404> hehe, so true
11:23 < remoford1> i want a car minus computers
11:23 < remoford1> dont trust em
11:24 <@sdodson> Any car made in the past 20 years is largely computer controlled.
11:24 <@critch> ubuntu is for the people too afraid of choice to use debian
11:24 < remoford1> sdodson: a damn shame
11:24 < TheLightcosine> hey i'm not afraid of choice
11:24 <@Dolemite> Hrmm, wow.  This oxycodone works pretty well. No wonder people steal it all the time.
11:24 < TheLightcosine> i'm just too lazy to get the drivers on my alienware to work in Debian
11:24 <@critch> remoford1: don't avoid the engine management systems. They are good. You can even buid your own to put in the car.
11:25 < TheLightcosine> Dolemite: ...
11:25 < TheLightcosine> oooh right you had an operation
11:25 <@Dolemite> I can hardly feel that I had my nutsack cut in 2 places and stiched back up 3 hours ago.
11:25 < TheLightcosine> i was like "what did you do that you need oxy?"
11:25 <@sdodson> I doubt that you'd feel much anyway.
11:25 <@sdodson> I mean sharp sharp knifes.
11:25 <@Dolemite> I could feel the cut
11:25 <@sdodson> Maybe you'd feel some scratchy stitches.
11:25 <@Shadow404> Dolemite: owww, keep it to your self
11:26 < TheLightcosine> yeah really
11:26 <@Dolemite> they didn't give up time for the numbing agent to work
11:26 <@Dolemite> I was like, "take your time, dammit!"
11:26 <@sdodson> Shadow404: Hey, how bout you get snipped, plz. For the sake of humanity.
11:26 < TheLightcosine> i'm getting sympathy pains over here
11:26 <@sdodson> Dolemite: they rub them so you know when feeling goes away?
11:26 <@Dolemite> The whole thing took less than 15 minutes
11:26 <@Shadow404> sdodson: sorry man, i did sell some of my magic to a sperm bank in college
11:27 <@sdodson> Shadow404: rly?
11:27 <@Shadow404> what do u think?
11:27 < remoford1> oh god no
11:27 <@Shadow404> TheLightcosine: same man, sympathy pains
11:29 <@sdodson> So I have this great, original idea.
11:29 <@sdodson> Do you guys think there's a market for celebrity breast milk?
11:30  * Catonic_lp calls a VC and plans an IPO
11:30 <@sdodson> sounds like chewbacca take'n a shit!
11:31 <@Corydon76-dig> sdodson: No.
11:31 <@Corydon76-dig> I think there's a market for breast milk, period, though
11:31 <@Corydon76-dig> consider that kids getting breast milk do better in life on average than kids who get formula, it's a no-brainer
11:32 <@sdodson> If there's a market for breast milk then there's a market for celebrity premium breast milk.
11:32 <@Corydon76-dig> The real problem is how to produce enough
11:32 < remoford1> i bet there is a market for it in japan
11:32 <@Corydon76-dig> The issue with celebrity breast milk is that it's more likely to be polluted with drugs
11:32 < remoford1> yeah
11:33 < remoford1> i wouldnt trust j random american mom much more tho
11:33 <@Shadow404> Corydon76-dig: good point
11:33 <@Corydon76-dig> remoford1: what about j random female college student who needs the money?
11:33 <@Evilpig> didn't we have this discussion a while back about how to make welfare mom's earn their checks?
11:34 < remoford1> Corydon76-dig: for kids no, for me perhaps
11:34 <@Shadow404> Evilpig: its completely legit, they need to have some sort of output back into society
11:35 <@Evilpig> I don't disagree with that.  I just don't think the product we would get from there would be of any value
11:35 <@Shadow404> it could be refined
11:35 <@Shadow404> mmm, breastmilk cereal
11:35 < remoford1> im a little creeped out by this discussion
11:35 <@Shadow404> remoford1: grow up
11:36 < remoford1> state mandated milking of welfare moms?
11:36 <@rhia> i want Richard socks!
11:36 <@Corydon76-dig> remoford1: I'm creeped out by adult men fantasizing about breast milk.  I'm somewhat serious about breast milk being a commodity item.
11:36 <@rhia> http://www.lfgcomic.com/
11:36 <@Corydon76-dig> remoford1: Consider for an instant that I want to raise kids, yet there are no lactating individuals in my household
11:37 < remoford1> certianly
11:37 < TheLightcosine> yeah well the guys getting hot voer the idea of breast milk have probably never actually tasted it
11:37 < TheLightcosine> it's foul
11:37 <@Corydon76-dig> and yet I want my kids to have the best shot possible at life
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11:38 <@M0j0-j0j0> bok!
11:38 <@Shadow404> TheLightcosine: thats a good point, its probably the mysteria of it
11:38 <@Corydon76-dig> Hence, I'm interested in every possible advantage I can give my kids
11:38 <@M0j0-j0j0> Corydon76-dig: kids?
11:38 < remoford1> Corydon76-dig: are you planning to adopt?
11:39 <@M0j0-j0j0> Peaches84: is there something you haven't told us?
11:39 <@Corydon76-dig> remoford1: Honestly, I'd like to find a woman who would be willing to carry a child to term
11:39 <@M0j0-j0j0> Peaches84: morning sickness maybe?
11:39 < remoford1> well then youd have a lactating woman
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11:39 <@Corydon76-dig> but after having a biological child, adoption is certainly an option for additional children
11:39 < remoford1> i dont think an woman who is willing to carry your child in going to mind throwing in breast feeding
11:40 <@M0j0-j0j0> Honestly, I'd like to find a woman who would have my baby and leave me out of all but the initial part
11:40 < TheLightcosine> very enlgihtened of you m0j0 =P
11:41 <@Corydon76-dig> M0j0-j0j0: sounds like you need the snip-snip
11:41 <@Shadow404> Corydon76-dig: so wait, question? would she carry your baby, as in your sperm?
11:41 <@Corydon76-dig> Shadow404: potentially, yes
11:41 <@Corydon76-dig> Shadow404: or Peaches' sperm
11:41 <@Dolemite> You can always get snipped then keep that part a secret from the potential baby-mamma's
11:41 < remoford1> then why not have her feed?
11:41 <@Shadow404> thats just a weird thought
11:41 <@Dolemite> er, mamma
11:41 <@M0j0-j0j0> Corydon76-dig: you kidding? I've got some awesome genes.  The ladies should be lining up to get some of this
11:42 <@Shadow404> Corydon76-dig: wait, additional queastion, artificial or natural fertilization?
11:42 <@Corydon76-dig> Shadow404: I honestly don't care which way
11:42 < TheLightcosine> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3clM4kPBr8
11:42 <@Corydon76-dig> Shadow404: although natural would probably be a cheaper route
11:42 <@Shadow404> yeah, but akward
11:42 <@Dolemite> Evilpig : You on?
11:42 <@Corydon76-dig> Fertilization doctors cost a good penny
11:42 <@M0j0-j0j0> turkey baster
11:42 <@Shadow404> lets fuck, but im paying you to raise the child
11:43 <@Corydon76-dig> Shadow404: Turkey baster
11:43 <@Shadow404> i cant get past that idea
11:43 <@Shadow404> just emotionally odd
11:43 <@Corydon76-dig> Shadow404: No, I want to raise the child
11:43 <@Shadow404> i mean, i see the logic, just not the emotional/social side
11:44 <@Shadow404> dont get me wrong, people do exactly what your saying, and i dont have anything against it, just find it incredibly, akward for those involved
11:45 < remoford1> then dont be involved
11:45 <@Dolemite> The only way that Corydon will be able to get what he wants is with a surrogate, or a human trafficked South Asian.
11:45 <@Corydon76-dig> Peaches and I have already approached several women about it
11:45 < TheLightcosine> i think it's great that there are people out there willing to bear chidlren for people who can't
11:45 < TheLightcosine> amazing really
11:45 <@Shadow404> yeah, i feel the same way TheLightcosine
11:45 <@juice> Breast milk icecream makes me want to puke at the sound of it.
11:45 <@Shadow404> Corydon76-dig: any good responses?
11:46 <@rhia> Shadow404: people have made sex a commodity for millenia, and, hostorically, also the made a commodity of the result of sex
11:46 <@juice> But yet they are making it
11:46 <@Shadow404> rhia: like i said, i have nothing against it, im just saying, it has to be incredibly akward
11:46 <@Corydon76-dig> Shadow404: I've had good responses, but nobody who is willing to commit to the idea just yet
11:46 <@Corydon76-dig> Shadow404: we also aren't ready to go through with it just yet, either
11:46 <@Shadow404> yeah, i could see that being difficult to find a willing female
11:46 < remoford1> Corydon76-dig:so this is a cooperative venture between the two of you?
11:47 <@sdodson> M0j0-j0j0: you coming over tonight?
11:47 <@Corydon76-dig> remoford1: we each would like biological children
11:47 < remoford1> ah, well that solves that
11:47 <@sdodson> "Tested, 100% meth free"
11:47 <@Shadow404> haha
11:48 <@Corydon76-dig> Ideally, a pair of lesbians would work out.
11:48 < TheLightcosine> lol
11:48 <@Shadow404> yeah, that would be easier to discuss
11:48 < remoford1> who doesnt love lesbians
11:48 < TheLightcosine> i dunno, i've emt some pretty nasty lesbians
11:48 <@Catonic_lp> all women are by nature lesbians
11:48  * Shadow404 hold glass of alcohol in air towards remoford1 
11:48 <@Shadow404> good man
11:48 <@sdodson> Corydon76-dig: who are you saying are fantasizing about it?
11:49 < TheLightcosine> catonic who can blame them?
11:49 <@M0j0-j0j0> sdodson: well, I don't know where you iz
11:49 <@rhia> Catonic_lp: from your personal information as a female?
11:49 <@sdodson> M0j0-j0j0: i sendz you directions, check teh forumz
11:49 < TheLightcosine> lol
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11:49 <@Corydon76-dig> Catonic_lp: strangely, I feel that all men, likewise, are naturally gay
11:49 <@Corydon76-dig> (or really, bisexual)
11:50 <@sdodson> Corydon76-dig: that's lame, adopt fool
11:50 <@rhia> Catonic_lp: that's like saying that all men by nature are gay ^ as Corydon76-dig just said
11:50 <@juice> all men by nature like breasts
11:50 < TheLightcosine> Corydon76-dig: i'm sorry but i have to disagree on that point
11:50 <@Corydon76-dig> juice: I do; just ask Peaches.
11:50 <@Shadow404> juice: all creatures by nature like breasts at the start
11:50 <@juice> yep
11:51 < remoford1> humans tho *really* like breasts tho
11:51 < TheLightcosine> while i don't judge people based on their sexual orientation , i find i am just unable to comprehend homosexual male-male attraction
11:51 < remoford1> the selection pressure is huge
11:51 <@M0j0-j0j0> ugg
11:51 <@Shadow404> remoford1: their is a social factor involved in that statement
11:51 < TheLightcosine> i find i can't even hypotehtically put myself in that position and understand your viewpoint on the matter
11:51 <@sdodson> Shadow404: "there" you ignorant fuck
11:51 < remoford1> there is but look at the tits on a gorilla
11:52 < remoford1> humam tits did not evolve randomly
11:52 <@Shadow404> remoford1: do male gorrilas oogle female breaest? or human female breast for that matter?
11:52 <@sdodson> They clearely evolved to be a fixture at popular fried chicken restaraunts.
11:52 <@Corydon76-dig> TheLightcosine: consider that you expect women to go down on you.
11:53 < remoford1> Shadow apparently not over evolutionary timescales
11:53 <@Corydon76-dig> TheLightcosine: if you were completely equality-minded, would you expect women to do anything that you, yourself, were not willing to do?
11:53 < remoford1> the occasional one might
11:53 <@Shadow404> hmm, i'd have to look further into research on that to come to a decision
11:53 <@M0j0-j0j0> wow... while we're on the topic of what is natural... can we talk about monogamy?  I see the point in it.. but I really don't think it's natural.
11:53 <@Corydon76-dig> TheLightcosine: let that stew for a bit
11:54 < TheLightcosine> no need
11:54 <@Shadow404> M0j0-j0j0: well, monogamy, is a social evolution, not natural
11:54 < TheLightcosine> i understand the point you're trying to make and i will simply point out i am incapable of being 100% equality midned
11:54 < TheLightcosine> any human being is
11:54 <@Corydon76-dig> TheLightcosine: incapable or unwilling?
11:55 < TheLightcosine> if we are talking truly 100%, then incapable
11:55 < TheLightcosine> what matters if the effort
11:55 <@Corydon76-dig> I make an effort to be 100% equality minded
11:55 < remoford1> monogamy is not purely social tho
11:55 < remoford1> it is also genetic
11:55 < remoford1> depends on your species tho
11:56 < remoford1> tho tho tho, i need to quit sayin tho
11:56 < TheLightcosine> you want to talk about not natural
11:56 < TheLightcosine> \male-dominated society isn't natural
11:56 <@Corydon76-dig> Therefore, if I am lifting something heavy and need assistance, I am just as likely to ask a woman as a man.
11:56 < TheLightcosine> so would i
11:56 <@Shadow404> same here
11:56 < remoford1> thats foolish
11:57 <@Shadow404> most woman hate feeling weak, so i never treat them as such
11:57 < remoford1> if said woman is big sure
11:57 <@Corydon76-dig> remoford1: why?  Because of perceived differences?
11:57 < TheLightcosine> in fact if i saw a 5'10 120lb woman and a 5'1" 100lb man i'd probably ask the woman not the man
11:57 <@Shadow404> remoford1: has nothig to do with size, you can ask for help nonetheless
11:57 < remoford1> i wouldnt ask a weak man to help lift either
11:57 < remoford1> if there are stronger men available
11:57 < remoford1> id ask whoever is best suited
11:58 <@Corydon76-dig> remoford1: but that's making a judgement that is not based upon sex, just as I said
11:58 <@rhia> remoford1: why not? even a weak human aid is better than NO human aid -
11:58 <@rhia> unless they're obviously infirm, not asking is rather arrogant
11:58 < TheLightcosine> i've known some women that were quite strong too
11:58 < remoford1> see the if avail commemt
11:58 <@rhia> as in "me man, me lift heavy things, urg!" arrogant
11:58 < TheLightcosine> hell my wife was really strong, stronger than me for sure, before we had our first kid
11:58 <@sdodson> I love how minorities always look for ways to be victimized.
11:59 <@Shadow404> sdodson: try living in atlanta
11:59 <@Catonic_lp> Shadow404: treat her like what she is: a human sextoy.
11:59 <@Shadow404> bahaha
11:59 < remoford1> im just saying imnot equally likely to ask one or the other just cause its "equal"
11:59 <@Corydon76-dig> sdodson: are you scrolled up?  It seems like you're replying to conversations that happened 10 minutes earlier?
11:59 < TheLightcosine> i remember a guy i worked with once getting bent out of shape cus i was joking about my wife being stronger than me, and i just looked him right in the eyes and said "dude, she's stronger than you too." hah
11:59 <@rhia> the original statement was simply: "Therefore, if I am lifting something heavy and need assistance, I am just as likely to ask a woman as a man."  - not if there were stronger or weaker people available
11:59 <@sdodson> Corydon76-dig: I had to take a shit.
11:59 <@sdodson> So yes, I'm catching up.
12:00 <@rhia> TheLightcosine: heh
12:01 < remoford1> it comes down to the likely bit
12:01 < TheLightcosine> of course, personally i'm attracted to strong women, i guess most guys don't like that
12:01 < remoford1> strong sure
12:02 < remoford1> body builder with bulgy veins and all that- eww
12:02 < TheLightcosine> not like "weightlifting compettion" strong mind you
12:02 < TheLightcosine> yeah no
12:02 < TheLightcosine> =P
12:02 <@Corydon76-dig> TheLightcosine: I like guys who act feminine and girls who act masculine
12:02 <@Catonic_lp> I like tall, skinny women.
12:02 <@rhia> eh, i don't like body builder bulgy veins on guys, either -ewww
12:03 <@Corydon76-dig> Creates somewhat of a problem interacting with some lesbians
12:03 < remoford1> tall middin to heavy
12:03 < remoford1> i dont find real skinny women atractive either
12:03 < TheLightcosine> oooops
12:03 < TheLightcosine> quitting time
12:04 < TheLightcosine> later folks
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12:04 <@rhia> remoford1: so, Nicole Ritchie isn't as sexy as she thinks she is? <g>
12:05 < remoford1> not particularity no
12:06 <@M0j0-j0j0> I think people get hung up on one thing.. like weight or breasts or whatever, but in general I think that symmetry is more important
12:06 <@M0j0-j0j0> bbiaf
12:06 <@rhia> she's tanned leather stretched over a skeleton - walking poster child for anorexics
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12:07 < remoford1> omg
12:07 < remoford1> do you meet that many seriously asymeric ppl?
12:07 < remoford1> i hope not
12:08 <@rhia> http://roflrazzi.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/celebrity-pictures-ritchie-jog.jpg
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12:11 <@sdodson> time warner may lose 19 channels from viacomm
12:11 < remoford1> eww
12:11 <@sdodson> hardlolz
12:11 <@sdodson> rhia: HOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
12:13 <@rhia> sdodson: heh
12:13 <@rhia> Tim Curry had more curves in RHPS
12:13 <@sdodson> she tans a lot?
12:13 <@sdodson> She's half black, that's like... cheating
12:15 <@Shadow404> ick, rhia, that women, looks disturbing
12:16 <@rhia> eh, could be that skin looks so leathery due to malnutrition ... one apple a week isn't a lot of healthy fuel
12:16 <@Shadow404> liek she would break like a twig if a strong gust of wind blew in
12:16 <@sdodson> s/women/woman/
12:16 <@rhia> Shadow404: proof that one Can be too rich or, in her case, too thin
12:17 <@Shadow404> fortunately, im just naturally thin, no matter how much junk food i eat
12:17 <@Shadow404> glad, im not "too thin"
12:18 <@Drag0n> i feel sorry for any guy she's with, those bones leave bruises without the cushion
12:18 <@Shadow404> heh, this is true, trust me
12:19 <@Shadow404> dated a uber thin chick in h.s.
12:19 <@Drag0n> brings a whole new meaning to the term, being "boned"
12:19 <@Shadow404> lawl
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13:17 < remoford1> http://www.reuters.com/article/wtMostRead/idUSTRE4BU00T20081231
13:17 < remoford1> "(Tian) may face a maximum penalty of death for producing and selling contaminated baby milk food, along with three of her senior managers at the Shijiazhuang Intermediate People's Court," the official China Daily said on Wednesday.
13:18 <@Shadow404> damn
13:18 < remoford1> yet here executives do things that drive huge companies into the ground effecting the whole econemy
13:18 < remoford1> and get a fucking bonus
13:19 < remoford1> sometimes i like china
13:19 <@critch> remoford1: but driving a company into the ground is like burning your own money, the tainted milk killed. Not the same
13:20 < remoford1> if it a private company yes
13:20 <@critch> even if it isn't, as long as you own stock, and the board elected you to run it, then still yes
13:23 <@critch> I do believe that we should have more death penalties, and actually carry them out in a more swift manner. I also believe if prison was more about public humiliation and not about housing criminals, that it might make a difference.
13:23 < remoford1> i dont see how you can say that the sort of executive malfeseance weve seen recently is like burning your own money
13:23 < remoford1> eg victimless
13:24 <@critch> no it isn't victimless, but it was a known risk of doing business and not being active in the control of the company.
13:25 < remoford1> if it was confined sure
13:25 <@critch> infants drinking milk that was certified as good, wholesome, and such being tainted with chems we don't easily have a way to test for, is completely different
13:25 < remoford1> but the entire world is suffering economic problems at the handsof these people
13:25 < remoford1> i dare say it will result in more deaths than the tainted milk ever could
13:26 <@sdodson> Who would be better to run things?
13:26 < remoford1> its not about whos better
13:26 <@Corydon76-dig> critch: I agree with one part... Death penalty.  Fraud at the corporate level of a public company should be punishable by the death penalty
13:26 <@critch> remoford1: but this is the same world that was benefitting from the supposed good times that these same business people offered
13:26 < remoford1> its about acountability
13:27 < remoford1> Corydon76-dig: thats what im talking about
13:27 <@Corydon76-dig> If the CEO who cheated the company gets a first class ticket to the electric chair instead of a golden parachute, he might think twice
13:28 <@critch> Corydon76-dig: I don't think in all cases the CEO was the one perpurtating the fraud. Yes many have done so, but not all.
13:28 < remoford1> of course not
13:28 <@rhia> or at the very least send them to a regular max security, not the federal rich people 'lockups'
13:28 <@sdodson> You guys are whiners.
13:28 <@Corydon76-dig> critch: whoever it was, from CEO to CFO to lowly accountant... whoever could have stopped it and didn't... off with their heads.
13:28 < remoford1> but we simply arent prosecuting these things
13:29 < remoford1> and where we are
13:29 <@rhia> say Riker's or Joliet, not Leavenworth
13:29 < remoford1> we are giving slaps on the wrists
13:29 <@critch> Corydon76-dig: hehe, off with the heads of those who tried to make the world a better place and helped cause a perfect storm of collapse when the bill came due.
13:29 <@Corydon76-dig> As George Carlin so aptly put it, "you start executing white, middle-class suburban bankers, and you'll see an end to the drugs"
13:30 <@sdodson> I never assume I knew what went on in someone's head when they made the decisions they made.
13:30 < remoford1> tried to make the world a better place by running pyramid schemes
13:30 <@Corydon76-dig> remoford1: yep, death penalty for running a Ponzi scheme, too
13:30 <@sdodson> The fact of th ematter is that the company or share holders trusted that person and empowered them to make decisions so they would'nt have to.
13:30 <@critch> remoford1: yes, as far as they where concerned it all made money, they didn't think it through to the idea that at some point there still has to be cash or something similar backing the paper they create.
13:30 <@Corydon76-dig> sdodson: yes, but not without accountability
13:31 <@Corydon76-dig> I expect my broker to make decisions that benefit me in the long term, not to rob me blind
13:31 < remoford1> critch: so you are arguing that these ppl were incompent not malicious?
13:32 <@critch> Corydon76-dig: yes, but unless you are watching the broker, you don't know either is hapening.
13:32 < remoford1> so he is free to screw you over?
13:32 <@critch> remoford1: I think for the most part they are incompetent.
13:32 < remoford1> and he isnt wrong to do so cause you arent paying attn?
13:32 <@critch> remoford1: no, but there isn't accountability without oversight.
13:32 <@Corydon76-dig> remoford1: shouldn't matter.  If you represent yourself as being competant, and you sit idly by while somebody else rips off the shareholders, it's no better than if you maliciously did it yourself
13:33 < remoford1> i agree
13:33 <@critch> Corydon76-dig: and it is no different than if the shareholders didn't catch the problem either.
13:33 < remoford1> the shareholders are not privy to the same information
13:33 <@Corydon76-dig> critch: in many cases, the shareholders weren't privy to the information that would have let them catch the problem
13:34 <@critch> remoford1: they are if they have anything more than a non trivial amount of money involved.
13:34 < remoford1> in fact,so much of this are cases where the execs were lying to the shareholders
13:34 <@Corydon76-dig> Precisely
13:34 < remoford1> and the public in general
13:35 <@critch> it is also many times the case where the information itself is too much for those who had the political experience to get to that position to understand
13:36 < remoford1> what im saying here is
13:36 < remoford1> publically held companies are not private entities
13:36 < remoford1> and do not get to do whatever they want
13:36 < remoford1> including burning their own money
13:37 < remoford1> and there need to be HARSH criminal penalities for fucking around
13:37 <@critch> as long as the shareholders aren't getting upset, then yes they can.
13:38 <@critch> shareholders of late have been as much the problem as well. They have been very fickle with the money only investing in stuff that will make money in the short term.
13:38 <@critch> If you aren't showing that the price of the stock is going up, you aren't getting invested in and your shares go down.
13:38 <@critch> When shares go down, shareholders get to bitching.
13:39 < remoford1> this is also a problem
13:39 <@critch> Granted this points to 2 kinds of people in the stock market and I know there is more than that.
13:39 < remoford1> but does not excuse the behavior in question
13:40 < remoford1> explains perhaps but certianly does not excuse
13:40 <@critch> It is a feedback loop, shareholders are driving executive behaviours, and it in turn drives shareholders.
13:40 <@critch> Anyone who puts money in the stock market should know with all the paperwork that it is essentially a gamble, and not a for sure payoff.
13:41 < remoford1> its all relative tho
13:41 < remoford1> if they were mostly honest
13:41 < remoford1> then there wouldnt be as much pressure to be dishonest
13:41 <@critch> doesn't matter how honest a company is. It is still a gamble.
13:42 < remoford1> so long as you tell the trust about the risks
13:42 <@critch> Put $100k in a company, and a natural disaster wipes it out, no one loses their head over it. Put $100k into a company and someone misplaces some decimal points and you think they should have their head role.
13:43 <@critch> remoford1: no one knows the risks 100%, and even then it is a crapshoot on the turnout of the economy.
13:43 < remoford1> you think most investors would buy stock in a company with great returns that told ppl they were engaging in very risky bbehavior that could blow up at any moment?
13:43 < remoford1> a honest mistake is a honest mistake
13:43 < remoford1> when those extra ecimal points end up in an executives pocket
13:44 < remoford1> the company tanks
13:44 < remoford1> and they walk off smiling
13:44 <@Corydon76-dig> But if it's an honest mistake, you should be able to prove that with a preponderance of the evidence in a court of law
13:44 < remoford1> yeah, i do have a problem with it
13:44 <@critch> remoford1: the 401k company I had been a part of for a while made the big pitch that even with all the crap in the world going on, over a 10 year period, the stock market made more money than savings accounts. Of couse I now look at my mom's 401k with same company being down $40k in the last 6 months.
13:45 <@Corydon76-dig> critch: we're not saying that company heads should roll without a trial.  Beyond a reasonable doubt and all that.  But it should be punishable by death.
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13:45 <@critch> I don't think it should be at the top all the time, I do believe some middle level people should share the penalties as well.
13:45 < remoford1> critch: were these 401ks all invested in billy bobs brothers comany?
13:45 < remoford1> if so you got a reasonable gripe
13:47 < remoford1> whoever is responsible
13:47 < remoford1> its not always the ceos sure
13:47 <@sdodson> Corydon76-dig: So what's your ruler for which crimes should carry capital punishment?
13:47 < remoford1> however, the buck stops here theory applies
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13:47 <@Corydon76-dig> sdodson: Anything which amounts to more than $10k in a 12-month period
13:47 <@sdodson> Why did the recycables market fall apart?
13:48 < remoford1> becuase recycling is bullshit? (/me has no idea)
13:48 <@Corydon76-dig> sdodson: decrease in demand
13:48 <@Corydon76-dig> Same reason why copper is off 50% from its peak
13:48 <@sdodson> Corydon76-dig: Other than fraud, what sort oc additional crimes would you like to see carry a capital punishment?
13:49 < remoford1> extreme knowing incompetence
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13:49 <@critch> I will throw out another example of where it isn't acceptible to look at punishment like that. Look at the Tesla motor company. If the economy continued to run like it did a year or 2 ago, they had a larger market for their products. But now the market may not support the company. They may go out of business without ever really selling much of anything. All those investors will lose tons, but all for forces outside the companies control
13:49 < remoford1> if some random dude passes himself off as a nuclear safty inspector for instance
13:49 <@Corydon76-dig> remoford1: only fraud which enables financial impropriety
13:50 < remoford1> critch: we arent saying this for all companies that fail
13:50 < remoford1> just the ones that fail dude to fraud and the like
13:50 <@Corydon76-dig> Incompetant people who don't sit in positions that could have prevented fraud shouldn't face death
13:50 < remoford1> otherwise hey the breaks are the breaks
13:50 <@critch> remoford1: but that is the problem, you have to write a law to understand the problem, or else we are just a lynch mob.
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13:50 <@sdodson> These are all very handwavy ways do define things.
13:50 < remoford1> the laws exist
13:50 <@sdodson> Laws don't work that way.
13:51 < remoford1> and are not enforced at all
13:51 <@Corydon76-dig> sdodson: Laws can certainly work that way
13:51 < remoford1> all this "too big to fail stuffs" - hello anti-trust
13:51 <@critch> most of what you are complaining about, and the downturn of the economy wasn't breaking the laws, so nothing to enforce
13:51 < remoford1> a lot of it was tho
13:52 <@critch> antitrust isn't about too big to fail, it is about anticompetitive behaviour.
13:52 <@critch> remoford1: point to some
13:52 < remoford1> and some things were obviously wrong but there havent been laws made as of yet
13:53 < remoford1> http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081212/bs_nm/us_madoff_arrest
13:53 < remoford1> hidden risk cdos are an example of obviously wrong but not technically illegal
13:54 <@critch> Yes, and see the laws were being applied, but didn't he commit suicide?
13:54 <@critch> cdos, is that the credit default obligation swap?
13:54 < remoford1> nono
13:54 < remoford1> madoff didnt commit suicide
13:55 < remoford1> some of his investors did when they realized they had lost it all
13:55 < remoford1> critch: yeah
13:56 <@critch> hmm, I thought I had heard he committed suicide, but looks like he is doing stuff even today so I was wrong.
13:56 < remoford1> you are thinking of his client http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thierry_de_la_Villehuchet
13:56 < remoford1> blew his family fortune investing in madoff
13:57 <@critch> remoford1: CDOS is like insurance from what I remember, It isn't wrong when you don't try and buy the insurance from yourself.
13:57 < remoford1> which is exactly what they were doing
13:57 < remoford1> they were buying each others cdos
13:57 < remoford1> and wrapping those up in others
13:57 < remoford1> buying their own debt back
13:57 < remoford1> back and forth back and forth
13:57 < remoford1> until noone knew who had what risk anymroe
13:58 < remoford1> so when i got ugly they all fell apart
13:58 <@critch> remoford1: buying them from another company is a good idea, you are right when the obligations became so tangled that no one knew what they owned it became a problem.
13:58 < remoford1> that was the entire point of these things
13:58 <@critch> remoford1: it wasn't so much that they fell apart, it was just that the market cooled to them because people started trying to figure out what they had.
13:59 < remoford1> was to drive up stock prices by *hiding* risk
13:59 < remoford1> and therefore not allowing investors to make reasonable choices
13:59 <@critch> It wasn't so much hiding it but to disperse it among many players.
13:59 < remoford1> except all these players were doing the same thing
13:59 < remoford1> if they were selling these to the general public
14:00 < remoford1> and never bought them themselves it would be diff
14:00 < remoford1> it was a well known fraud
14:00 <@critch> just like insurance, you may buy insurance from one company, but they may make several smaller purchases via the underwriters till the coverage is handled. When you make a claim, the burden is spread amoung many underwriters and doesn't wipe any one out.
14:01 <@critch> The difference here, is the insurance companies don't need to continually trade these obligations to show profit.
14:01 < remoford1> and when the insurance companies assets are 80% deritive funds from the underwriters?
14:01 < remoford1> it was obvious fraud
14:01 < remoford1> the fact that damn near the whole industry was in on it
14:02 < remoford1> and the govt was complicit
14:02 < remoford1> does not make it any better
14:02 < remoford1> so when it all falls apart
14:02 < remoford1> the govt gives the companies money and the fed buys stock in them
14:02 <@critch> I really wish they would have had to unwind the risks, track the obligations through each of the bundles back to real originating debt. If that had all been unwound, we would have known for certain the real scope of the problem.
14:02 < remoford1> this sir, is classic corpratism
14:02 < remoford1> otherwise known as facism
14:03  * remoford1 waves a finger wildly
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14:05 <@critch> btw, I think it is important to know I think all the bailouts were very bad ideas. If the banks had been forced to figure out the true risk and value of their "assets" some would have failed and been picked over, and others would have been shown as true safe investments.
14:06 < remoford1> yes
14:06 < remoford1> now im going to get radical for a moment here
14:07 < remoford1> the fractional banking system is very similar to this whole mess
14:07 < remoford1> as is our entire fiat currency system
14:07 < remoford1> and could blow up in a similar manner
14:07 < remoford1> its happened before to other countries
14:07 <@sdodson> these topics make my head hurt
14:08 < remoford1> imma back off now before you guess what i think we should do about it and what party i belong to
14:11 <@critch> fractional banking is a good idea, as long as the fraction is kept at sane levels, and as long as the banks are seen as still a good place to put your money.
14:11 < remoford1> emphasis here on "seen as"
14:11 <@critch> for most of use who fall below the FDIC insured limit, it is a very good idea.
14:12 < remoford1> eg, you have created a system with a tipping point
14:12 < remoford1> tis unstable
14:13 < remoford1> i do not personally think this risk is worth the additional liquidity
14:13 < remoford1> but i realize thats a fringe position
14:13 <@critch> it is stable as long as the faction is sane and the bank is seen as a prifitable enough entity for people to invest in. As with any for profit entity, there is a point when all people may decide it isn't safe and sell off or withdraw all funds from it.
14:14 < remoford1> if banking was decentralized then yes
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14:14 <@critch> it isn't quite as fringe if the fraction they must keep becomes to small.
14:14 < remoford1> you could just let em fail as need be
14:14 < remoford1> but what do you do when the fed fucks up
14:14 <@critch> the fed as in the federal reserve?
14:15 < remoford1> its not a limitless supply of shiny happy
14:15 < remoford1> yah
14:15 <@critch> they are not a government entity, so you end up with the same problem.
14:15 < remoford1> except they are a govt supported monoply
14:15 < remoford1> with the entire us econ in thier hands
14:15 < remoford1> and by extension
14:15 < remoford1> the worlds
14:16 < remoford1> libertarian free market ideals break down something feirce at the "too big to fail" corner case
14:17 <@critch> And the only controls they have is a weak foot for the accelerator on an ailing engine and feeble brakes.
14:17 <@critch> remoford1: nothing is too big to fail if you are willing to deal with the downturn that the loss could cause.
14:18 < remoford1> except in this case the downturn in global economic chaos
14:18 < remoford1> probably would start several wars
14:18 < remoford1> megadeaths
14:18 < remoford1> and not the band
14:18 < remoford1> this is simply unacceptable
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14:19 <@critch> I think the true problem is that some of our national debt is being backed by the idea that our banks are worth soo much money and if that proves false, our exchange rate will further suck, and we will hurt even worse than is being let out in the news.
14:19 < remoford1> its bubble on bubble on bubble
14:19 < remoford1> aka foam
14:20 < remoford1> and thats about how strong our real position is
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14:21 <@critch> a proper global war would probably fix many things. It would let us eliminate many treaties that are problematic, it would make war ugly again so we might avoid it for a while after, and much of our debt could be erased as we do a quick redo on all our currency to eliminate the high dollar count abroad.
14:21 < remoford1> you also realize that as all this is going on that russia has been stepping up the nationalism
14:21 < remoford1> i do belive thats the plan here
14:21 < remoford1> you go tit
14:22 < remoford1> if it blows up
14:22 < remoford1> it will be ww3
14:22 < remoford1> wartime economey baby
14:22 <@critch> hmm, maybe that is why I was dreaming of making a sub basement in my home the other day. Get down into the bedrock for safety.
14:23 < remoford1> oh yeah
14:23 < remoford1> altho madison isnt really a target
14:23 < remoford1> and not really downwind of nashville either
14:23 <@critch> I'm in Hermitage
14:23 < remoford1> yeah your fine
14:24 <@critch> Not really. I'm at an elivation above Nashville and blasts go up and out.
14:24 < remoford1> how far are you from downtown as the crow flies?
14:24 <@critch> Not far enough
14:25 < remoford1> btw
14:25 < remoford1> shockwaves refract
14:26 < remoford1> being behind a short ridge isnt nearly as helpful as you might think
14:26 < remoford1> likewise being visible or elevated isnt as bad
14:27 < remoford1> man im argumentative today
14:27 < remoford1> btw, debian sucks
14:27 < remoford1> :)
14:29 <@critch> as the crow flies, according to google maps, I am about 4.1 miles from the capitol building.
14:30 < remoford1> ouch
14:31 < remoford1> where are rhia and dag
14:31 < remoford1> they usually have something to say when i get all political
14:31 <@critch> opps, sorry, 8.2, forgot the scale I was using was for 2 miles, not one
14:38 < remoford1> yeah you should be ok for 1MT or less
14:38 <@critch> looks like I am about 150 or so feet above riverfront park. Although I somewhat suspect the numbers on the google terrain.
15:03 <@Catonic> drinky crow show drinky crow
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18:10 <@scoil> hi
18:10 <@ShadowHntr> evening
18:13 <@dasunt> Gah.
18:14 <@NotLarry> ok, from a remote shell (linux) how do I redirect my output to the console?
18:15 <@dasunt> What are you trying to do?
18:15 <@NotLarry> just redirect my output to the console
18:16 <@sdodson> cat foo > /dev/tty0
18:16 <@dasunt> Physical console, you mean?  Not virtual?
18:17 <@NotLarry> roger roger
18:19 <@dasunt> sdodson's way doesn't work?
18:19 <@NotLarry> negative
18:20 <@sdodson> what happen?
18:20 <@dasunt> That works for pseudoterms.
18:21 <@NotLarry> nothing
18:21 <@dasunt> That worked for me.
18:21 <@dasunt> 'echo test > /dev/tty2' as root.
18:22 <@NotLarry> doh
18:25 <@NotLarry> so many ways I failed on that attempt:)
18:26 <@NotLarry> ok, can I send a beep, or a number of beeps to console?:)
18:27 <@dasunt> 'man echo'
18:28 <@NotLarry> haha
18:28 <@NotLarry> this is gonna be funny
18:30 <@dasunt> Incidently, a lot of linux boxes have 'eject' to remotely control cd trays.
18:30 <@NotLarry> damn:)
18:31 <@NotLarry> i may have to install a CD in this box.
18:31 <@NotLarry> I have the notkids in the same room with the server and I have a cam on them.
18:31 <@NotLarry> well, enough of this, time to go back to work
18:32 <@ShadowHntr> lol larry
18:35 <@timoguin> Actually, you can just use the "beep" command if it's installed.
18:35 <@Evilpig> does this site load for y'all?  http://www.dev-source.com/
18:35 <@timoguin> or do a bash loop with eject and eject -t
18:36 <@timoguin> Evilpig: loaded fine for me
18:36 <@Evilpig> thx. the user is telling me iti sn't
18:36 <@Evilpig> We are most of the way there but there are a few items not working, I've checked the firewall script and only added http to dev-server6 as it was not in the script.  After doing this, HTTP does not work to dev-server6 (192.168.90.17, 72.14.100.187).  Also we are unable to get HTTP traffic to (72.14.100.185, 192.168.90.11).
18:57 <@Dolemite> w00h00!  Vanderbilt has their first football bowl win since Winston Churchill resigned!
19:03 < Mercster> lol @ topic
19:03 < Mercster> happy new years people
19:04 <@Dolemite> I'm living in the past.  It's still 2008 CE for me
19:04 < Mercster> i was offering a pre-emptive happy
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19:25 <@sdodson> When is OuterZ0ne5?
19:26 <@Dolemite> Is there an outerz0ne5/
19:31 <@timoguin> scott moulton is working on the hotel afaik
19:49 <@sdodson> hooorayz
19:51 < Mercster> yaaaaaaay
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19:55 <@sdodson> m0j0-j0j0: hoser
19:55 <@m0j0-j0j0> oh my god.. sdodson did you hire these strippers cause they are off the chain
19:57 < Mercster> sdodson doesnt like girls :/
19:58 <@sdodson> Mercster: :(
19:58 <@m0j0-j0j0> Mercster: did I say girls?
19:59 <@sdodson> now Mercster is going to show up
20:02 < Mercster> mmm dudez
20:02 <@m0j0-j0j0> tee hee
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21:03 < Synx_hm> sup bros
21:03 < Synx_hm> out
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23:00 < Mercster> happy new years
23:17 < Peaches84> happy new year
23:20 < Mercster> yaaay peaches
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23:25 < Peaches84> how are you Mercster
23:26 <@scoil> nope
23:26 <@scoil> not yet
23:26 <@scoil> still another 34 mins
23:26 <@scoil> till cst
23:26 < Peaches84> ya
23:44 <@ShadowHntr> any news stations broadcasting their fireworks shows online?
23:45 <@scoil> 15 mins
23:54 <@ShadowHntr> you didn't answer my question.
23:59 <@Corydon76-dig> Happy Gnu Year, Nashville
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