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00:09 <@sasquatc4> uggh, nothing like reading reviews of your employer on glassdoor and realizing everyone including engineering managers think the same thing about the company
00:09 <@sasquatc4> everyone knows what is wrong and no upper management listen
00:11 <@rhia> sasquatc4: that happens a LOT
00:16 <@sasquatc4> yea, i figured it does, i have a feeling it has happened alot more recently here than it used to concerning recent projects and the complete and utter ineptitude of upper management to have a direction when it concerns them
00:17 <@sasquatc4> have a feeling if i dont get a promotion this time around its time to start lookin for a new job
00:19 <@sasquatc4> good thing this area is full of em, besides the only way to get a real pay bump is to start hopping anyway
00:22 <@sasquatc4> good thing lockheed is around, get a cushy one with a pension
00:23 <@aestetix> yo
00:32 <@timoguin> Catonic_lp: Who is Patrick Burns?
00:32 <@timoguin> oops
00:32 <@timoguin> meant that for PM
00:33 <@aestetix> Laughing Boy
00:33 <@Catonic_lp> hold on...
00:34 <@Catonic_lp> http://catonic.us/wigi/pics/hsv2600/interz0ne-iii/tn/pic00017-2.jpg.html
00:35 <@Catonic_lp> http://catonic.us/wigi/pics/hsv2600/phreaknic6/tn/pic00030.jpg.html <- why I went blonde.
00:35 <@timoguin> I don't know that fucker.
00:35 <@Catonic_lp> wow
00:35 <@Catonic_lp> y'all are sappin me
00:36 <@Catonic_lp> http://catonic.us/wigi/pics/hsv2600/phreaknic6/tn/pic00063.jpg.html
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00:50 <@Catonic_lp> timoguin: it's because he became anti-social after he got a job on teevee.
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02:34 < dasunt> Well, I'm acting like I want to get laid.
02:34 < dasunt> Oh well.
02:40 <@Catonic> dun dun dun
02:42 <@Catonic> dasunt: sup
02:44 <@coilXmas> balls butt
02:53 < dasunt> Catonic: Just doing some 2 am mopping.
02:55 <@Catonic> dasunt: don't come on the floor and you won't have to clean it.
02:56 < dasunt> Too much snow in winter.
03:13 <@Catonic> lmfao
03:13 <@Catonic> Dingle eats what Dingle buries
03:40 <@Catonic> nsfw: http://weirdblows.com/articles.php?entry=265&PHPSESSID=e7f6a0b05255688a066ff3db7f432f8e
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07:19 <@I-MOD>  /msg I-MOD  http://weirdblows.com/articles.php?entry=265&PHPSESSID=e7f6a0b05255688a066ff3db7f432f8e
07:19 <@I-MOD> stupid keyboard not doing it right
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09:50 <@sdodson> wtf i have neighbors moving in on christmas eve
09:52 <@rhia> it's their present
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10:35 <@nachoguy> no, it's sdodson's present, y'know, if it's a couple of good looking women
10:49 <@brimstone> any database peoples awake?
10:50 <@brimstone> i'd like to chat about structure for a few minutes if someone's free
10:51 <@sdodson> i'm not sure i'm qualified
10:53 <@rhia> my cat was either a raccoon or a serial killer who drowned his victims in a previous life
10:53 <@brimstone> i have a table of devices, applications, services and ports. i'm trying to figure out the best way to link them all together
10:54 <@sdodson> use mapping tables?
10:55 <@brimstone> obviously, but can i map more then one to a table?
10:55 <@sdodson> so put together a table with everything you want to know about a device. Put together a table about everything you want to know about an application.
10:55 <@brimstone> already got those tables
10:55 <@sdodson> Create a devicesapplications table with two columns.
10:56 <@sdodson> deviceid and applicationid
10:56 <@sdodson> insert rows as needed.
10:56 <@brimstone> but the kicker is that one box an run apache2 on one port and another box can run apache2 on another port
10:56 <@brimstone> do i make a devices_applications, a devices_ports, devices_services ?
10:57 <@sdodson> I think you want to enforce a strong heirarchy.
10:58 <@I-MOD> device_application_port table? where does services come in?
10:58 <@sdodson> Devices have applications, applications have services, services have ports.
10:58 <@sdodson> Honestly I think you really just want to use puppet.
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10:59 <@brimstone> I-MOD: application apache2 can provide service http and https
10:59 <@brimstone> application lighttpd can provide http as well
10:59 <@I-MOD> erm
10:59 <@I-MOD> that's damn complicated
11:00 <@sdodson> I think we need to be sure of the logical heirharchy before we attempt to write this out to an rdbms
11:00 <@brimstone> i want to extract one view that says to look for an http server on this port on this box, don't care what application is running
11:00 <@I-MOD> especially since a service running on one device can use a different port than the same service running on a different device
11:00 <@brimstone> but another view needs to say this box needs to keep running this application
11:01 <@brimstone> I-MOD: ayep, one box can be running apache2 on port 8080 to provide http
11:01 <@M0j0-j0j0> hmm
11:01 <@sdodson> But that'd be a different "application"
11:02 <@sdodson> That'd be "proxy" rather than "webserver"
11:02 <@brimstone> i'd rather it not be
11:02 <@M0j0-j0j0> we need a #se2600 training program
11:02 <@brimstone> no, it's still serving webpages
11:02 <@brimstone> just happens to be on port 8080
11:02 <@brimstone> or 81, or whatever
11:03 <@brimstone> ideally, application "apache2" could provide service "proxy" and "proxys"
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11:03 <@I-MOD> so you need 3 separate tables with services, devices, and applications
11:04 <@brimstone> already have those tables
11:04 <@I-MOD> you need a 4th table that has fields for deviceid, appid, servid, and port
11:04 <@sdodson> stop mentally thinking "application = package"
11:04 <@sdodson> Application = {packages, ports}
11:04 <@sdodson> device = {applications}
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11:06 <@brimstone> i have several packages, ports combinations, i'd think they'd get their own tables
11:07 <@I-MOD> so have a table to relate only services and ports, then remove the port field from the main relation table?
11:07 <@I-MOD> i guess that would cut down on duplication
11:08 <@sdodson> select device.name from devices, applications, devicesapplications where device.id = devicesapplications.device and devicesaplications.application = application.id and application.port = 80;
11:08 <@sdodson> or something like that
11:09 <@sdodson> alright i'm getting confused, time to go shopping
11:10 <@sdodson> I'd do away with the port table.
11:10 <@sdodson> I mean it's just going to be 1 to 653556 or whatever the number is.
11:11 <@coilXmas> 65535
11:16 <@M0j0-j0j0> 65535 bytes availible
11:16 <@M0j0-j0j0> READY.
11:24 <@coilXmas> http://jalopnik.com/photogallery/InternetsVanityPlates/1005469045 hahahaha whos is this
11:54 <@coilXmas> hey has anyone worked with apache2 and ipv6?
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12:25 <@M0j0-j0j0> coilXmas: I guess not
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12:29 <@Dagmar> coilXmas: Ther'es nothing much special to it
12:30 <@coilXmas> well i can't get it to only listen in a specific ip
12:30 <@coilXmas> on a*
12:33 <@Dagmar> You told it to listen on that IP, yes?
12:33 <@Dagmar> It shouldn't be any different from IPv4--if you don't tell it what interface to listen to it should listen to them all.
12:33 <@coilXmas> Listen [2001:470:1f11:4df::420]:80
12:34 <@coilXmas> Listen 80
12:34 <@coilXmas> hrm
12:34 <@coilXmas> i wanna listen on the ipv4 interface and only one ipv6 ip
12:35 <@Dagmar> So as far as I know that should work
12:36 <@Dagmar> ...although you might need to explicitly call for the all interfaces address for IPv$, 0.0.0.0:80
12:36 <@Dagmar> It's worth a shot
12:36 <@coilXmas> ok
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12:48 <@coilXmas> 80/tcp  open  http
12:49 <@Dagmar> wtf man
12:49 <@Dagmar> use netstat
12:49 <@coilXmas> it only shows as open when i do Listen *:80
12:49 <@Dagmar> `netstat -tunap` | grep whatever
12:49 <@Dagmar> Even Fyodor says using netstat against the local interfaces to find out what something's binding to is dumb
12:50 <@coilXmas> i just get a usage
12:50 <@coilXmas> netstat: option requires an argument -- p
12:51 <@brimstone> wait, how is using netstat on the local box to find the binding application dumb?
12:52 <@brimstone> coilXmas: i dont' think bsd has the -p for program argument
12:52 <@brimstone> i think it's for protocol
12:52 <@coilXmas> oh
12:53 <@Dagmar> Because I haven't had any fucking caffiene yet and I'm tired to telling people to stop nmapping localhost
12:53 <@Dagmar> If you're on a BSD the arguments for netstat are slightly different from Linux
12:53 <@coilXmas> Dagmar, i wasn't nmap ing localhost
12:53 <@coilXmas> i was nmaping from my other ipv6 endpoint
12:53 <@Dagmar> Ah okay
12:53 <@brimstone> netstat != nmap
12:53 <@Dagmar> brimstone: No, really?  I never knew.
12:54  * coilXmas brews Dagmar a cup of coffee
12:54 <@Dagmar> Actualyl I've got a couple of Full Throttles here, I just haven't had a chance to crack one open yet.
12:54 <@Dagmar> Fixing that now
12:54 <@brimstone> for real, get off irc and fix yourself
12:55 <@coilXmas> man netstat
12:55 <@coilXmas> No manual entry for netstat
12:55 <@coilXmas> :(((
12:55 <@Dagmar> Ouch
12:55 <@Dagmar> Mebbe hit up Google for the man page
12:56 <@Dagmar> Wait, so your apache2 isn't listening on an ipv6 interface and you told it explicitly to listen on one?
12:56 <@brimstone> coilXmas: you can use sudo lsof -i as well
12:57 <@coilXmas> yes
12:57 <@Dagmar> Good thinking.
12:57 <@coilXmas> lol @sudo
12:57 <@Dagmar> lsof will probably have a man page
12:57 <@coilXmas> heh i have to install lsof
12:57 <@coilXmas> hold on
12:58 <@coilXmas> netinstall ftl
13:03 <@Dagmar> ROFL http://www.missbimbo.com/
13:04 <@coilXmas> ugh no kernel source either
13:29 <@aestetix> w00t
13:29  * aestetix has not held euros in like 4 years
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14:20 <@M0j0-j0j0> peace out
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14:55 <@Catonic> YOAH
14:55 <@Catonic> *WOAH
14:55 <@Catonic> easter egg in VLC... the taskbar icon changes
14:57 <@aestetix> how do you do that?
14:57 <@sdodson> Catonic: zomg IT DOES!
14:58 <@sdodson> Catonic: It's a sign from jesus!
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14:58 <@I-MOD> to what? mine's still the orange cone
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14:58 <@Catonic> upgrade to the latest version
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14:58 <@Catonic> also, I'm using vlc on windows
14:59 <@I-MOD> oh
14:59 <@I-MOD> yeah, linux for me
15:00 <@sdodson> I-MOD: orange cone with santa hat
15:00 <@I-MOD> spiffy
15:00 <@sdodson> omg i just met my neighbor that probably watched me sleep for three weeks without any sort of blinds in my windows
15:00 <@I-MOD> creepy
15:00 <@I-MOD> is she hot?
15:01 <@sdodson> No, he's not.
15:01 <@sdodson> And I didn't meet his wife.
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15:03 <@Catonic> numa numa hey
15:03 <@sdodson> wtf is numa numa?
15:03 <@rhia> sdodson: 1st things to do in new house: find mattress, tack bedsheets to bedroom windows - all else is personal choice
15:04 <@Drag0n> search youtube numa numa song
15:04 <@sdodson> I slept in my clothes and it's a second floor bedroom.
15:04 <@Catonic> youtube: o-zone
15:04 <@sdodson> I can't use youtube, fedora busted flash!
15:04 <@I-MOD> sdodson, dragostea din tei iirc
15:04 <@I-MOD> is the name of the song
15:04 <@Catonic> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9MzKJak_ZQ
15:04 <@I-MOD> crazy romanians
15:04 <@rhia> sheets/blankets don't just keep people from looking in, they help keep sunlight out, too
15:04 <@sdodson> I-MOD: I thought that was your personal mating call for a few seconds.
15:05 <@I-MOD> :D
15:05 <@sdodson> rhia: oh, well if the sun is up it's time for me to be up too.
15:05 <@rhia> sdodson: blasphemor! heh
15:05 <@Drag0n> ad you call yourself a geek?
15:05 <@sdodson> I haz a jorb
15:06 <@Catonic> I have a job too. I can't figure out why I still have it.
15:07 <@sdodson> Catonic: Because there's no one better?
15:07 <@sdodson> http://www.brazilianartists.net/home/flags/index.htm
15:09 <@sdodson> My boss gets to work 5 hours before I do.
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15:14 <@sdodson> http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/20/msi-wind-barebones-desktop-now-available-to-order/  Is that faster than my Via C3 1GHz or slower?
15:15 < TheLightCosine> merry xmas all
15:16 <@sdodson> Looks like forth coming atom systems will be capable of 1080p, I guess I'll wait for that.
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15:33 <@sdodson> I bought christmas lights!
15:33 <@sdodson> Fuck you global warming.
15:43 <@Drag0n> No, sdodson, Global Warming's been eyeing you and he says "you look pretty good in them jeans, Boy!"
15:45 <@sdodson> Drag0n: you're a freak!
15:48 <@Drag0n> and your point being?
15:49 <@sdodson> Drag0n: dunno hadn't gotten to that point yet
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17:01 <@Dagmar> Good lord
17:01 <@Dagmar> http://entertainment.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/12/23/2321242
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19:18 <@sdodson> Dagmar: lets be frenz!
19:24 < Mercster> merry christmas
19:24 <@Dagmar> \I am *so* tempted to reply to Neoteric's latest memestream post with "Dude, stop stereotyping asians.  It's not cool."
19:25 <@sdodson> OH EMM GEE MEE TOO!
19:41 <@Catonic> that would be fucking amusing
19:41 <@Catonic> without having to fuck a clown in the ass.
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19:50 <@ShadowHntr> hey ! i like those female clowns :*)
19:50 <@ShadowHntr> what are they called...
19:50 <@ShadowHntr> harlequins !
20:01 < Mercster> harlequin babies :(
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20:25 <@sdodson> chinese food dun fucked me up!
20:32 <@sdodson> damn can't find drives larger than 500GB that aren't SATA
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21:07 < Mercster> i ate ham rolls
21:27 <@brimstone> sdodson: why the need for non sata drives?
21:32 <@Evilpig> damn notlarry and his internet usage
21:33 <@Dagmar> Throttle his torrentzes!
21:35 <@Evilpig> route add 10.0.0.35/32 gw 127.0.0.1
21:35 <@Evilpig> throttled
21:35 <@Dagmar> \lol
21:35 <@Evilpig> 1221.694 KBps
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22:34 <@Dagmar> This new exploding turkey commercial is awesome
22:34 <@Dagmar> It's verizon's best commercial yet
22:36 <@Dagmar> Okay maybe not Verizon
22:36 <@Dagmar> v
22:37 <@Dagmar> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IjxLo95HD4
22:41 <@sdodson> brimstone: my mini-itx machine doesn't have sata
22:45 <@brimstone> sdodson: lame :)
22:48 <@sdodson> brimstone: no your lam!e
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23:04 < Mercster> merry christmas assholes
23:14 <@Dagmar> Oh dear, the anti-DNC guys are at it again
23:14 <@Dagmar> Now where oh where did I put that perma-posting perl script...
23:28 <@polerin> fuck.  that. shit.  Everyone wonders why I hate fucking Xmas, never fucking goes right
23:29 <@polerin> guh
23:29 <@polerin> dad just got out of the ER, prolly fucked up his shoulder
23:30 <@Dagmar> Ouch
23:36 <@polerin> was a decent day untill that happened
23:36 <@polerin> :/
23:46 < Mercster> sorry polerin
23:46 < Mercster> hope he's ok
23:47 <@polerin> life happens
23:47 <@polerin> :/
23:47 < Mercster> yep
23:47 < Mercster> and not always around Xmas either ;-)
23:47 <@polerin> at least my mom was getting down with her bad self on her present
23:47 <@polerin> he got her a wii
23:47 < Mercster> heh
23:47 < Mercster> cool
23:47 <@polerin> she's never gamed in her life
23:48 <@polerin> and she was getting into it
23:48 < Mercster> ya wiis are kind of accessible that way
23:48 <@polerin> and wanting more games XD
23:48 <@polerin> wii's are a gateway drug
23:48 < Mercster> personally i consider the 360 to be the best console out
23:48 < Mercster> but wiis do have that whole accessibility thing going on
23:48 < Mercster> plenty of party-type applications
23:49 <@Dagmar> Enh.  More like a gateway candy.
23:49 <@Dagmar> The thing isnt' all _that_ compelling
23:49  * Mercster sticks his cock in Dagmar's gaping filthmaw
23:49 <@Dagmar> It's cute, and it's got a nifty controller, and it makes for semi-reasonable light-duty web-surfing, but that's about it
23:49 < Mercster> ya we're all impressed with how aloof you are
23:49 < Mercster> i wish that asshole didnt have me on /ignore
23:49 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: http://wilpig.org/temp/wow/christmas2008-1920x1200.jpg
23:50 < Mercster> ID GIVE HIM A PIECE OF MY MIND
23:50 < Mercster> also, a piece of my sack
23:50 <@Evilpig> took the wowhead christmas wallpaper and removed their branding
23:50 <@Dagmar> heh!
23:50  * Dagmar likey
23:51 <@Catonic> sup all
23:51 < Mercster> hi Catonic
23:57 <@polerin> Dagmar: my mom was talking to the tv
23:57 <@polerin> I've never seen her interact with anything
23:57 <@polerin> at all.
23:57 <@polerin> she does email, some light browsing, and watches opera's video of the week type thing.  never does she attempt to interact.
23:58 <@polerin> there's something to be said for that.
23:58 < Mercster> how is email not interacting
23:58 <@polerin> Mercster: she's interacing with the person on the other end, not the machine or the technology.  There is a fundimental difference
23:59 < Mercster> fundamental?
23:59 < Mercster> i dunno
23:59 <@polerin> whatever, two rum balls and a whiskey and coke
23:59 < Mercster> frankly i think if you're interacting with the machine or technolgy, you've had some of your time wasted
23:59 <@polerin> I dont' really shit a give about speelin
23:59 < Mercster> heh
23:59 < Mercster> polerin: its ok :)
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