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00:00 <@sdodson> I forget what it's called, but it's a profiling plugin. I imagine it'd have more visibility into it than valgrind would.
00:00 <@aestetix> yeah, there's that
00:01 <@aestetix> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2490 referring to this?
00:04 <@sdodson> That's one, I think there's another one.
00:04  * scoil slaps sdodson around a bit with a large trout.
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04:47 < Mercster> make hay while the sun shines
05:42 <@Catonic> Never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down, never gonna turn around and desert you.
05:43  * TheLightCosine does the hitchhiker
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06:01 <@Catonic> super mario is just kicking my ass today
06:02 <@Catonic> I'm thrilled to see I still have the hand-eye coordination for it, mostly
06:03 < TheLightCosine> wow, i'm having 8-bit flashbacks
06:04 < TheLightCosine> i can even hear the "you fucked up" noise and the continue screen music
06:07 <@Catonic> http://www.texasshooting.com/TexasCHL_Forum/viewtopic.php?t=5204
06:10 < TheLightCosine> gack websense
06:12 < TheLightCosine> thank god the Security team just -1s my stats for things like that lol
06:12 < TheLightCosine> but if they ever actually audited my history i'd have some splainin to do
06:26 <@Catonic> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/10/22/BA0D13INSR.DTL
06:26 <@Catonic> that's kinda hot and kinda creepy
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07:18 < nated0g> good one Catonic, i dont think ive ever been to walmart armed
07:18 < nated0g> this time of year i prob should
07:21 <@Shadow404> i was last night
07:24 <@aestetix> I haven't been to walmart in over a year
07:24 < TheLightCosine> it's dangerous to go into walmart unarmed
07:28 <@aestetix> I pay a hitman to go to walmart for me
07:28 <@aestetix> like a soccer mom
07:29 <@Shadow404> went there last night to find small gifts for gf and to-be-in-laws, completely waste of time
07:29 <@Shadow404> there cd music section is completely trashed out of order
07:29 <@aestetix> wow Time magazine has a "Person of the Year" I can actually respect
07:29 <@aestetix> this hasn't happened for like 8 years
07:29 <@Shadow404> and they were sold out of anything nice
07:29 <@Shadow404> i thougth ti would of been the other way around
07:29 < nated0g> who is person of the year ?
07:30 <@aestetix> Obama.
07:30 <@Shadow404> sold out of cheap shit, stocked with anytyhing that cost more than $5
07:30 <@aestetix> was it 2001 they chose fucking Guliani?
07:30 <@aestetix> Instead of bin Laden, who deserved it?
07:30 <@Shadow404> bahaha, respect obama
07:30 < nated0g> last year wasnt it putin?
07:30 <@Shadow404> i lawled
07:30 <@aestetix> yeah
07:30 < nated0g> Shadow404 then you are a racist
07:30 <@aestetix> 2006 was a complete fucking copout
07:31 <@Shadow404> oh im a racist automatically cause i dont respect obama
07:31 <@aestetix> actually
07:31 < nated0g> you are correct sir
07:31 <@aestetix> every year from 2001 through 2006 sucked balls
07:31 < nated0g> ha ha ha
07:31 <@Shadow404> not like i wnt to a church for 20 years with a racist priest or anything?
07:31 < nated0g> well hes different
07:31 <@Shadow404> oh, so hes diffrent
07:31 <@Shadow404> i see
07:31 < nated0g> double standard
07:32 <@Shadow404> ah, of course
07:32 < nated0g> you know the whole "black card"
07:32 < TheLightCosine> bono being named man of the year was the biggest joke
07:32 <@Shadow404> ah yes
07:32 <@Shadow404> yeah, company christmas party tomorrow
07:33 < nated0g> free booze?
07:33 <@Shadow404> yep
07:33 <@Shadow404> either jack and coke, or champagne
07:33 < nated0g> dont get too shitfaced
07:33 < nated0g> it aint freaknic
07:33 <@Shadow404> heh
07:33 <@Shadow404> and get this
07:33 <@Shadow404> 5 course meal
07:33 <@Shadow404> woot woot
07:33 < nated0g> dude....i wanna work there!
07:34 <@Shadow404> did u see our decorations?
07:34 <@aestetix> I think "You" being named was a copout
07:34 < nated0g> shit ...lemme get to work. see you in 45
07:34 <@Shadow404> http://www.shadow404.com/1/IMAGE_070.zip
07:34 <@Catonic> Shadow404: if you feel the need to be armed at all times, take a martial arts class
07:35 <@Shadow404> dude, my wang and wong protects me, i dont need anything more
07:37 < TheLightCosine> Shadow404: nice decorations
07:38 < TheLightCosine> You should write Tux on the big penguin tho =P
07:38 <@Shadow404> i should
07:38 <@Shadow404> hmm
07:38 < TheLightCosine> looks like you guys have a pretty sweet office
07:38 <@Shadow404> its made of vinyl cloth, so ill print out a page that sux tux and tape it on
07:39 <@Shadow404> TheLightCosine: well, thats the corporate side, i work in the noc behind the snowman skiers
07:39 <@Shadow404> let me bring up the cam and ill give yall a small tour
07:39 < TheLightCosine> heh
07:41 <@Shadow404> just gotta change a few settings on my stream page with the upgrades
07:44 <@Shadow404> there we go
07:44 <@Shadow404> TheLightCosine: bigblue.homeftp.net/noc.html
07:45 < TheLightCosine> hehehhi
07:45 < TheLightCosine> lawl!
07:46 <@Shadow404> ok, all done
07:47 < TheLightCosine> right back at ya buddy =P
07:47 < TheLightCosine> that's not a bad quality stream
07:47 <@Shadow404> its a $5 logitech quickcam
07:47 < TheLightCosine> haha
07:48 < TheLightCosine> tyler?
07:49 <@Shadow404> aye
07:49 <@Shadow404> your sound on?
07:49 <@Shadow404> restarting
07:49 < TheLightCosine> yeah
07:50 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0 h0 h0ez!
07:50 < TheLightCosine> haha yer a dork =P
07:50 < TheLightCosine> morning dole
07:50 <@Shadow404> yes i am TheLightCosine
07:51 < TheLightCosine> there's something about this that is creepy in a way lol
07:51 <@Dolemite> I have met TheLightCosine, and you, sir, are no TheLightCosine
07:51 < TheLightCosine> I feel like I am stalking you
07:51 <@Shadow404> hehe
07:51 <@Shadow404> especially when i make that wierd sound?
07:51 <@aestetix> It's gonna be another one of those days...
07:51 <@Shadow404> no TheLightCosine, now im stalking you....
07:52 <@aestetix> not even 9 am and already dealt with like 50 emails
07:52 <@Shadow404> see
07:52 < TheLightCosine> hahaha
07:52 <@Shadow404> im stalking all of se2600
07:52 < TheLightCosine> irssi?
07:52 <@Shadow404> video delay makes typing hard
07:52 <@Shadow404> aye
07:53 <@Shadow404> and thar was status center and mailflow
07:53 < TheLightCosine> I'm surprised they let you do this
07:54 < TheLightCosine> I jsyt work on the servicedesk and they'd throw a fit if i tried to run a stream
07:54 <@Shadow404> well, its part of my job
07:54 <@Shadow404> it runs on vitalstream
07:54 <@Shadow404> basically a cdn service
07:54 <@Shadow404> that we own
07:55 < TheLightCosine> hrm oops time to go smoke ebfore lunch is over
07:55 <@Shadow404> fun fun
07:57 <@Dolemite> Man if mortgage rates drop down to 4.5% I'm going to refinance and save some big moolah.
07:59 <@aestetix> I noticed the Fed is dropping interest like crazy.
08:00 <@brimstone> you could even say the Fed is lossing interest
08:01 <@brimstone> badum pish!
08:01 <@aestetix> your mom is losing interest
08:05 < TheLightCosine> funny she seemed very interested last night
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08:19 < TheLightCosine> *sigh* sitting down trying to learn something I've always pussied out of learning till now
08:29 < nated0g_wrk> what are you trying to learn ?
08:29 < nated0g_wrk> how to eat poon?
08:29 <@aestetix> how to eat cheese?
08:31 < scribbles> how to talk to women?
08:32 < nated0g_wrk> how not to get a hersheys kiss at the end....
08:32 < TheLightCosine> lol i don't think i have a problme with those
08:32 < TheLightCosine> my two kids would prove that
08:32 < TheLightCosine> no I was talking about using GDI+
08:33 <@Dolemite> Oh, so I found out the sex of 2.3 yesterday.
08:34 < nated0g_wrk> of what?
08:34 <@Dolemite> Not that there would be any interest from 2.3, but you pr3verts better stay away!
08:34 <@Dolemite> nated0g_wrk : I have a child due in May
08:34 < nated0g_wrk> congrats man!
08:34 <@Dolemite> danke
08:34 < nated0g_wrk> first child?
08:34 <@Dolemite> So we'll be a true nuclear family.  One proton and one neutron.
08:35 < nated0g_wrk> 2nd
08:35 <@Dolemite> nated0g_wrk : 2.0 was the first.  2.1 and 2.2 were miscarriages.
08:35 < nated0g_wrk> sorry to hear that
08:35 <@Dolemite> it happens
08:35 < nated0g_wrk> yep
08:37  * Dolemite checks newegg to see what today's deals are
08:37 < TheLightCosine> so are boys protons or neutrons?
08:37 <@Dolemite> proton
08:38 <@Dolemite> actually, I guess they are neutrons
08:38 < TheLightCosine> well then my family has no charge heh =P
08:38 <@Dolemite> since the symbol for female has a + in it
08:38 < TheLightCosine> oh
08:51 < TheLightCosine> ug i remember why i've always avoided graphics programming
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09:28 <@nachoguy> Dolemite, are eunnichs electrons?
09:28 <@Dolemite> nachoguy : Yes, Shadow404 is an electron
09:28 <@Dolemite> and it's eunuch ;)
09:29 <@Shadow404> lawl
09:29 <@Shadow404> just wait till i have a 2.0 of my own
09:29 < TheLightCosine> you have a kid?
09:29 <@Shadow404> no, not for some time i hope
09:30 <@Dolemite> we hope it's never
09:30 <@Dolemite> By the way, a vasectomy is 100% covered by most insurance plans.
09:30 <@Dolemite> You should check into that
09:31 <@nachoguy> Dolemite, then get two. That way you make sure it sticks, and the ladies love it.
09:31 <@Dolemite> Actually I'm getting the triple threat vasectomy already
09:31 <@Dolemite> snip, tie and cauterize
09:32 <@nachoguy> that was my bad paraphrasing of the Friar's speech in Robin hood, men in tights
09:32 <@Dolemite> ah.  been so long since I've seen that I didn't pick up on it
09:33 <@Shadow404> shit, u got the song stuck in my head now
09:33 <@Shadow404> bastard
09:33 <@Catonic_lp> jesus. this channel is going to hell.
09:33 < TheLightCosine> going?
09:33 <@Dolemite> Ah, and there's our other vasectomy candidate!
09:33 <@Catonic_lp> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dh3gGQfyVyw
09:34 <@Shadow404> awww, baddd
09:34 < TheLightCosine> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3clM4kPBr8
09:35 <@Catonic_lp> Dolemite: I love you too.
09:35 <@Dolemite> Of course, ware is also on that list.
09:35 < TheLightCosine> i thoguht we'd just castrate him =P
09:36 <@Catonic_lp> Dolemite: except when ware is mentioned, the process is called "neutering."
09:36 <@Shadow404> Dolemite: aww, c'mon, Catonic_lp is "mostly harmless"
09:36 <@Catonic_lp> I am -far- from harmless.
09:37 <@Catonic_lp> Feelings will get hurt. Lives will get trampled on. Marriages will crumble.
09:37 <@Dolemite> Actually, Catonic and Shadow404 are pretty much the antagonizers that push ware's buttons to make him worse than he normally is, so no, neither of you are harmless.
09:37 <@Catonic_lp> aestetix: how does that make you feel?
09:42 <@Catonic_lp> Dolemite: ware is an impressionable individual.
09:43 <@Shadow404> aestetix can be added to the antagonizer list ware
09:43 <@Shadow404> for ware
09:43 < TheLightCosine> indeed
09:44 < TheLightCosine> Corydon seems to incite him too, although i'm not sure if that's corydon's fault
09:44 <@rhia> TheLightCosine: only because Corydon is - gasp - openly Bi
09:45 < TheLightCosine> "although i'm not sure if that's corydon's fault" <-
09:45  * I-MOD gasps
09:46 <@Dolemite> Corydon talks about being bi, but keeps going back to the cock.
09:46 <@rhia> TheLightCosine: and ware apparently has a pathological need to personally insult/verbally assault polerin at every opportunity
09:47 <@rhia> she seems to antagonize him by simply existing
09:48 <@Shadow404> ware says hes easily amused
09:48 <@Shadow404> no impressonable
09:48 <@rhia> whoohoo, it's above 30 this morning
09:48 <@Shadow404> heh
09:49 <@Shadow404> 69.6 here
09:49 <@Catonic_lp> That poor girl got her period at the wrong time.
09:49 <@Shadow404> wtf?
09:51 < nated0g_wrk> Shadow404, just saw the pics you told me about this morning. looks like you work for a fun company
09:51 <@Shadow404> at times
09:52 <@Shadow404> sometimes i just wanna storm out and leave them in the dust
09:52 < nated0g_wrk> at least you dont want to go postal
09:54 <@Shadow404> heh, strict no firearm rule int he company handbook....
09:54 <@Shadow404> ill leave it at that
09:54 <@I-MOD> unfortunately, there is one here...
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10:12 <@rhia> "Delgo" animated movie worst opening (last weekend) bomb of a +2k screen release   ..... gee, could that be because NO ONE HAD HEARD OF IT?
10:16 <@Dolemite> That's pretty much what every comment has been on the websites
10:18 < C-P> haha, freddi prinze jr
10:20 <@nachoguy> Nice, some millionare agreed to forfeit $300m in a guilty plea.  Best part, his name is Anurag Dikshit
10:20 < C-P> no shit?
10:21 < TheLightCosine> hah
10:26 < nated0g_wrk> i dont think we have a policy like that in place. esp since i saw one of the phone installers carrying a rifle in our office
10:26 < nated0g_wrk> dikshit
10:26 < nated0g_wrk> wonder how that is pronounced
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10:57 < TheLightCosine> @$@#$
10:57 < TheLightCosine> everything for .net is centered on c#
10:58 <@ShadowHntr> hehehe
10:59 < TheLightCosine> It's like the whole world is laughing at me for using VB
10:59 <@brimstone> they are
11:00 <@ShadowHntr> :]
11:00 <@aestetix> And we're all laughing at you for using .net
11:00 < TheLightCosine> well goddamnit i don't know C#, I typically work in perl
11:00 <@I-MOD> perl >> C#
11:00 <@ShadowHntr> lol
11:00 < TheLightCosine> I work in a windows only shop
11:00 <@I-MOD> doesn't mean you can't use perl :D
11:01 <@ShadowHntr> activestate.com
11:01 <@ShadowHntr> :)
11:01 <@I-MOD> yep
11:01 < TheLightCosine> yes ShadowHntr  i know all about activestate perl
11:01 < TheLightCosine> but a) i'd have to egt them to install it on every machine for the program to be able to be used on toher machines
11:02 <@Dolemite> yay for snmp
11:02 < TheLightCosine> and b)I still havne't gotten around to learning enough about TK to do any decent gui work
11:02 <@aestetix> Um, why?
11:03 <@aestetix> Isn't the point of .NET that you can  collborate using any language/
11:04 <@ShadowHntr> supposedly...
11:05 <@I-MOD> pfffft...who needs a gui?
11:06 <@Corydon76-dig> TheLightCosine: ugh, why would you use Tk anymore, anyway?  Other than for legacy projects?
11:06 < TheLightCosine> users.
11:06 < TheLightCosine> Corydon76-dig: What would you recommend for frontending perl?
11:06 < TheLightCosine> <- Not a developer
11:06 <@Corydon76-dig> TheLightCosine: Gtk, probably
11:06 <@Corydon76-dig> The Qt/Smoke frontend to Perl was lacking, last I tried to use it
11:08 <@brimstone> Perl/TK!
11:09 <@Corydon76-dig> brimstone: GtkPerl
11:09 < TheLightCosine> If i was really that good of a programmer i'd be able to figure out how to draw the shit i want in my app the manual way
11:10 <@Corydon76-dig> TheLightCosine: Uh, no.  Really good programmers recognize the value of compartmentalization of code
11:10 <@aestetix> http://media.ebaumsworld.com/picture/steviexo/NERDS.png
11:13 <@aestetix> good coders code, great coders reuse
11:13 <@aestetix> Programmers are inherently lazy motherfuckers that want the computer to do all their work for them.
11:17 < TheLightCosine> kinda the point of programming really
11:17 < TheLightCosine> getting the computer to do things for you
11:18 < TheLightCosine> i managed to find some work someone else did on creating a hex grid, but it's all in c# so i can't just use his classes
11:19 <@aestetix> Hey, anyone have free time and is decent with video editing?
11:19 <@M0j0-j0j0> I'm just starting to work with .NET.. I've been a perl guy for years
11:19 <@M0j0-j0j0> I used to be a VB guy 15 years ago
11:19 <@M0j0-j0j0> C# seems really easy
11:19 <@M0j0-j0j0> I used to be a C guy too
11:22 <@aestetix> http://press.at.bitmanufaktur.net/Sputnik-25C3-small.jpg
11:22 <@aestetix> woot
11:22 <@tzanger> nice, what's that for
11:23 <@aestetix> CCC Sputnik
11:23 <@tzanger> I'm not familliar with that, let me google
11:23 <@aestetix> http://events.ccc.de/congress/2008/wiki/OpenBeacon_with_OpenAMD
11:23 <@aestetix> That, more specifically
11:24 <@tzanger> interesting
11:25 <@tzanger> I've got to play with BT some more with asterisk, got to find a better way to use it to track when a user is in the office
11:25 <@tzanger> without draining the damned cell battery so much
11:27 <@brimstone> just do a ping, not a connect
11:34 <@tzanger> yeah I was thinking of something to that effect
11:39 < TheLightCosine> I've just managed to avoid doing this kind of heavy lifting geometry in coding up till now, it's frustrating to try and start doing it now cus i have no idea what i'm doing
11:42 <@tzanger> http://incompetech.com/graphpaper/
11:42 <@tzanger> that own't work for you?
11:42 <@tzanger> don't know what your need for hex grids are for
11:42 <@tzanger> but if't sjust for paper, there you go :-)
11:44 < TheLightCosine> no, i'm trying to actually create a hex grid control in a vb.net app where each hex is essentially a button
11:47 <@tzanger> ah
11:47 <@tzanger> a hex grid is just a tiling of hex "graphics" -- you'd place the icon every icon width apart
11:47 < TheLightCosine> i suppose it would be easier for me to just learn how to do the stuff i want in C#, everything for .net is focused on it anyways, but i haven't really touched C-type language since i took C++ in high school
11:48 <@tzanger> then the line above and below would be 1/4 of the height higher/lower, and 1/4 the width over offset, no?
11:48 <@tzanger> 1/4 may be the wrong value, I'm just thinking out loud
11:48 < TheLightCosine> but images in VB always have a square border even if you can't see it
11:48 < TheLightCosine> so you couldn't actually snap the grid together properly that way
11:48 <@tzanger> sure, but you can't overlap?
11:48 < TheLightCosine> well
11:48 < TheLightCosine> i suppose that's a valid point
11:49 < TheLightCosine> but what would that do to my on clicks
11:49 <@tzanger> also can't you create an icon that is square and tile it?
11:49 <@tzanger> hmm
11:49 <@tzanger> I don't know :-)
11:50 < TheLightCosine> and i get the inescapable feeling that all of this wo0uld be easier in java heh
11:51 < critch> nothing is easier in java
11:51 < TheLightCosine> i tried learning java and ended up tossing the book aside after klike 2 chapters
11:51 < TheLightCosine> to me the syntax is just abominable
11:52 < TheLightCosine> but it can do some rpetty tricked out stuff rather simplistically
11:52 < critch> to me the level of crap you have to go through to get anything done is annoying to an extreme
11:53 < critch> of course that may not be a issue so much with the language, but rather a compaint of the libraries I have used
11:53 <@tzanger> C for me
11:53 <@tzanger> I refuse to take on any work involving C++, C#, Java, etc.
11:54 <@tzanger> mind you all the stuff I do is embedded so it works out ofr the most part :-)
11:54 < TheLightCosine> i dunno i saw one code example that was basically "New Foo Foo1 of type Foo = Foo data"
11:54 < TheLightCosine> i was like "what the fuck? I get it, it's of foo data type"
11:54 < TheLightCosine> if i am creating a New foo i can bet ti's of foo type and that any data i put into it will be of foo type
11:56 <@Dolemite> I pity the foo
11:56 < TheLightCosine> going from perl to that just immediately made me give up
11:56 < TheLightCosine> I went back to my $scalar
11:58 < scribbles> was lang is that?
11:58 < scribbles> what*
11:59 < TheLightCosine> which?
11:59 <@Dolemite> a multitude
11:59 < TheLightCosine> ?
11:59 <@Dolemite> are you talking about the $scalar or the java-rific foo fuckfest?
11:59 < scribbles> the foo
11:59 <@Shadow404> heh, they are setting up the santa chair and decorations for the holiday party tomorrow
11:59 < scribbles> thats java?
12:00 < TheLightCosine> yeah
12:00 <@Dolemite> that's an extreme case of java
12:00 <@Shadow404> the kids get to make their own chocolate sunday and shit
12:00 < scribbles> I was at North Point mall yesterday and santa's helper had a low cut shirt on, I had to stop on the 2nd floor and observe
12:00 < TheLightCosine> yay quitting time
12:00 < TheLightCosine> time to go home
12:00 <@Dolemite> have fun storming the castle!
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12:12 <@aestetix> Is sdodson related to Betty Dodson?
12:12 <@aestetix> Apparently Betty Dodson is a "women's masturbation guru"
12:14 <@aestetix> Does that make sdodson a "man's masturbation guru"?
12:15 <@Shadow404> does that make sdodson a male whore?
12:16 <@aestetix> On hindsight, catonic is probably the masturbation guru...
12:18 <@Evilpig> stupid free market system.  made my merchandise not worth as much.  damnit
12:18 <@Evilpig> dagmar: [12:14:46] Posting 109 stacks of 5x [Gingerbread Cookie] at Bid:4.80.00, BO:4.80.00 for 48h
12:20 <@Dolemite> ok...   according to wowhead it only gives you 61 health.  Why would anyone want to buy them?
12:20 <@brimstone> inflation
12:20 <@Dolemite> especially when you can get the recipe really cheap
12:20 <@Dolemite> s/cheap/easily/
12:22 <@Evilpig> christmas quest
12:22 <@Evilpig> 5 cookies + 1 glass of milk = quest + achievment
12:23 <@Dolemite> ok, well it just seems like it's already a pathetically easy thing to get, anyway
12:23 <@Evilpig> and some assclown already undercut me before I was finished posting.  ugh
12:23 <@Evilpig> next year...  i'm just selling eggs
12:24 <@Evilpig> although most people will have already done the achievement stuff then so theyw ill probably want just cookies again
12:30 < nated0g_wrk> im still trying to get thru one quest. i keep getting killed
12:30 < nated0g_wrk> still working on getting to level 10
12:43 <@sdodson> HI THERE!
12:46 < nated0g_wrk> hey fuckface
12:46 <@sdodson> nated0g_wrk: miss me?!
12:46 < nated0g_wrk> of course
12:46 < nated0g_wrk> DIAF
12:46 <@sdodson> cool cool
12:46 < nated0g_wrk> hows your day ?
12:50 <@sdodson> nated0g_wrk: supr, and yours?
12:50 < nated0g_wrk> fine thanks for asking
13:32 <@Dolemite> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081217/ap_on_re_us/muslim_headscarf_arrest_2
13:32 <@Dolemite> Ok, most people will read that and say, "Those rednecks in Georgia arrested a Muslim woman for trying to adhere to her religion!"
13:33 <@Dolemite> I got to the last paragraph and gleaned, "The reporters are trying to use the fact that the woman is a Muslim to gloss over the part about her telling the security guards to fuck off."
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13:36 <@I-MOD> Dolemite, except she turned to leave as she said it
13:36 <@I-MOD> she wasn't exactly causing a problem
13:37 <@Dolemite> Now you're really reading into it.  You don't know for sure if she turned first or not.  It was simply stated that she uttered "an expletive."
13:38 <@I-MOD> "When she turned to leave and uttered an expletive" about the same time
13:38 <@I-MOD> it was a judgement call
13:38 <@Dolemite> Anywho, she told 'em to fuck off.
13:38 <@I-MOD> she shouldn't have bitched about it, in any case
13:38 <@Dolemite> She shouldn't have been a Muslim!
13:39 <@Dolemite> er, I mean, we can't continue this level of intolerance
13:40 <@Dolemite> We also don't know what the charge was.  Most likely it was Contempt of Court, which can be applied to disorderly conduct in a courthouse.
13:40 <@Dolemite> So the headline itself is a bit of a stretch
13:40 <@Dolemite> The press has a tendency to pull that crap
13:40 <@rhia> think religion would have been mentioned if it'd have been a black guy refusing to take off his cap?  or a hassidic jew refusing to remove their yalmake(sp)?
13:41 <@I-MOD> no, then it would have been racism
13:41 <@Dolemite> of course not
13:45 <@aestetix> hahahah
13:46 <@aestetix> someone wrote a "modest proposal" style essay suggestion we raise the minimum age for porn to 65
13:46 <@I-MOD> s/minimum/maximum/
13:49 <@polerin> Dolemite: what would YOU do if someone told you that you had to piss on the bible to go into court?
13:49 <@Dolemite> I'd ask for a glass of water
13:49 <@polerin> heh
13:49 <@polerin> right.
13:50 <@aestetix> http://jonswift.blogspot.com/2007/05/raising-minimum-age-for-porn.html
13:51 <@Dolemite> The point is that the press sensationalized it by focusing on her religion, rather than on her actions.  Because of that we simply don't know what she was arrested for.
13:51 <@polerin> Dolemite: so there's never been anyone who cussed out the balif on the way out of a court?
13:51 <@polerin> sure.
13:51 <@polerin> even with that judge
13:51 <@polerin> I suspect people have gotten away with it, and even if he hadn't arrested her, it'd be wrong.
13:52 <@polerin> she should not have to violate her religious belifes when they harm nobody, just to enter a court of law
13:52 <@polerin> this is not her coming from the seat of power posting up the 10 commandments
13:54 <@aestetix> This is true.
13:54 <@aestetix> Why was she going to court in the first place?
13:55 <@aestetix> Oh. A traffic citation.
13:55 <@aestetix> Wait a second.
13:56 <@I-MOD> not even her traffic citation
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13:56 <@I-MOD> her son's citation
13:56 <@aestetix> So she was going to an unrelated court hearing, the security wanted her to do something, rather than leave the building or follow their rules, she cussed out the security guard, and was upset when they arrested her.
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13:56 <@aestetix> Actually, it doesn't say that.
13:56 <@aestetix> She was accompanying her nephew to a hearing. I don't see where it says it was *his* citation.
13:57 <@aestetix> Either way...
13:57 <@I-MOD> sorry, *nephew
13:57 <@aestetix> While she had legal right to be there, she had no legal obligation to be there.
13:58 <@Dolemite> her nephew's citation, not her son's
13:59 <@I-MOD> i corrected myself
14:01 <@rhia> i agree with Dolemite that the real wtf there is the press - all about her being Muslim - "oh, gee, another quick contempt and out case - boring, wait! she's ISLAMIC! Spin it!"
14:27 <@aestetix> http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f6/savoirnoir/BADASS.jpg
14:27 <@aestetix> I don't know which I like more, the gun or the guitar
14:28 <@timoguin> bahahaha
14:33 <@timoguin> um.
14:33 <@timoguin> are those guitar hero guitars?
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14:35 <@aestetix> If they are, then the guns are plastic larping guns
14:35 <@timoguin> they are definitely guitar hero guitars.
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15:15 <@rhia> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7B4y5sZKdI4
15:17 <@Shadow404> aestetix: that looks like critch
15:21 <@timoguin> I really really hate Sandra Lee.
15:23 <@Shadow404> i'd do her
15:24 <@Shadow404> and then she could cook me dinner
15:24 <@Catonic_lp> The most difficult thing I have to do today... is to adhere to the rule: never whine, bitch, or complain.
15:24 < critch> Shadow404: you need your eyes checked. I don't have a large bald spot on the front of my head, not would I care to have that many pistols.
15:24 < critch> Shadow404: well, I should say I don't have that bald spot since I stopped shaving my head.
15:24 <@Shadow404> aside from the bald spot, tis a close match
15:25 < critch> nope
15:25 <@Shadow404> yes
15:26  * critch gives Shadow404 a note to go to the opthomologist.
15:27 <@timoguin> Shadow404: No, she can't cook.
15:28 <@Shadow404> critch: heh, actually scheduled this friday, starting to get tired eyes looking at the screen
15:29 <@Shadow404> my whole family has glasses except me so far
15:29 <@Shadow404> i was doomed to eventually get them
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15:33 <@Corydon76-dig> Shadow404: They might even raise your IQ by 10 points
15:34 <@timoguin> Fromm 85 to 95?
15:34 <@Corydon76-dig> That sounds about right
15:55 <@NotLarry> Just talked to the mgfr about my solar filter.  Seems the minor scratchs and pinholes I might see won't damage my eyes
15:55 <@NotLarry> I'd like that in writing though.  I do see the irony in that statment.
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16:07 <+Synx_afk> So lilo is shows the same problem i was having in grub but this time with more info
16:07 <+Synx_afk> error 0x0A
16:07 <+Synx_afk> bad sector flag
16:07 <+Synx_afk> what ever the fuck that means
16:08 <+Synx_afk> fsck returns no errors
16:10 <@nachoguy> Notlarry, say what?  what are you using a solar filter for?
16:19 <@Drag0n> something to do with the sun?
16:20 <@Drag0n> considering the comment, probably looking at it or a solar eclipse
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16:37 <@NotLarry> nachoguy: http://www.physics.sfasu.edu/observatory/10-inch/10history.htm
16:37 <@NotLarry> one of those
16:37 <@NotLarry> 10"
16:38 <@nachoguy> neat
16:38 <@Drag0n> you see, 9" isnt big enough for notlarry, he needs 10"
16:39 <@NotLarry> when staring at the sun, yes, it takes 10"
16:39 <@NotLarry> They guy I got this from has 16"s
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16:41 <@NotLarry> http://www.optcorp.com/product.aspx?pid=11233
16:41 <@NotLarry> looking at controling it with an arduino
16:42 <@Drag0n> gonna hook up a digital camera and take pictures? that would be cool to see
16:43 <@NotLarry> I've got one that cools to something like -13 degrees before you image with it.
16:44 <@NotLarry> I'd bring it to pn but all anyone wants to do with it is stare at the stitching on the hookers shorts and point green laserpointers into it.
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16:45 <@NotLarry> I actually did bring it to one pn, the year I got the solar filter, but it stayed overcast so bad we had trouble finding the sun
16:45 <@NotLarry> (you have to do it manually, the telescope won't point at the sun when it is initialized
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16:54 <@sdodson> Windows 7 Beta invites for me cause i'm so leetz!
16:55 <@NotLarry> Cause your gonna belive that 7 isn't vista
16:55 <@NotLarry> or that vista isn't me
16:55 <@sdodson> Windows 7 & Server 2008 R2
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16:57 <+eryc> its Mojave!
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17:07 <@NotLarry> Dagmar: I didn't bring the phones, but bring the video card
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17:14 <@Evilpig> NotLarry: I think the notkids were just here.  do you know what they wanted?
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17:28 <@NotLarry> Evilpig: To hang out in the basement.
17:31 <@Evilpig> oh.  well I was uhhhh...  playing lego indiana jones and couldnt' get up to answer the door
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17:59 <@NotLarry> damn, had to reboot, Evilpig what did you ask about the kids?
17:59 <@NotLarry> Evilpig: and what's with detroit?
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18:09 <@Evilpig> fuck detroit
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19:00 <@M0j0-j0j0> is there anyone who isn't an ass that is looking for a webdesign/webdeveloper position?
19:04 <@M0j0-j0j0> if so.. let me know.. if not... I'm sure I can find somebody from a recruiter.
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19:06 <@Evilpig> got a nice wow bug.  http://wilpig.org/temp/wow/tokenbug.jpg
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19:37 < Synx_afk_> man i am running out of space on my ipod :(
19:37 < Synx_afk_> time to get a new 80gb i guess
19:41 <@sdodson> Evilpig: why you so angry?
19:41 <@Evilpig> que?
19:47 <@sdodson> 19:09 <@Evilpig> fuck detroit
19:50 <@Evilpig> why not fuck detroit?  nobody likes that place
19:51 <@Evilpig> their airport sucks ass.  it's cold.  it just sucks
19:52 <@sdodson> Evilpig: gotcha
19:52 <@Evilpig> http://blog.wilpig.org/archives/2008/12/fuck-detroit.html  <-- that is what started fuck detroit
19:53 <@sdodson> So informattive
19:54 <@Evilpig> it was quick.  I was in the airport and pissed
20:06 <@scoil> put your hands up for detroit, a lovely city
20:07 <@Drag0n> now hand over your wallet
20:08 <@scoil> i doont remember that in the song
20:08 <@Drag0n> you've never been to detroit
20:13 <@sdodson> http://syndicated.livejournal.com/defective_yeti/267042.html
20:31 <@aestetix> "I just wanna tie the stripper up so I can play happy hardcore!"
20:31 <@sdodson> aestetix: why, that sounds lame.
20:35 < Mercster> ...
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22:33 <@aestetix> anyone home?
22:33 <@ShadowHntr> sup?
22:34 <@aestetix> Ok. I'm trying to step inside the mind of a hipster
22:34 <@ShadowHntr> i may not be the best person to help you. :P
22:35 <@aestetix> hahah
22:35 <@aestetix> I have a new idea.
22:35 <@aestetix> Hipsters are often characterized by liking "alternative music". And when the music becomes known, they hate it.
22:35 <@aestetix> I realized, that is similar to the temporary autonomous zone.
22:37 < Mercster> which just goes to prove your theory, germans love david hasselhoff
22:38 <@ShadowHntr> HAHAHAHAAHHA
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22:39 <@ShadowHntr> is that supposed to explain why i don't like Evanescence?
22:43 <@aestetix> Mercster: familiar with TAZ?
22:43 <@aestetix> You'd actually like it a lot, if you're not.
22:44 < Mercster> nope
22:45 <@aestetix> http://www.hermetic.com/bey/taz3.html#labelTAZ
22:45 <@aestetix> Reading this actually gave vocabulary to what I was doing with my life for a while.
22:46 < Mercster> ill have to catch up on that tomorrow
22:46 < Mercster> ill check it out tho
22:47 < Mercster> personally, i admire and respect authority
22:48 < Mercster> in the freudian sense, i am over hating daddy
22:48 <@aestetix> Heh.
22:48 <@aestetix> The real question is, what is authority and where does it come from.
22:48 <@aestetix> I've been trying to answer those questions for years :)
22:48 < Mercster> well, whoever's boot is in your face, i suppose
22:49 <@aestetix> Not necessarily. If their boot in your face doesn't make you do what they want, you still have authority.
22:49 < Mercster> yes, until the boot steps down
22:49 < Mercster> squishin' yer innards
22:49 < Mercster> and then authority isnt really a question
22:49 <@aestetix> This is a new thought I've been playing with.
22:50 <@aestetix> based heavily on Gandhi.
22:50 <@aestetix> The notion that they have your cold dead body, but they never have your obedience.
22:50 < Mercster> Gandhi's system worked in a non-individualistic society and in the context of group dynamics
22:50 <@aestetix> I think authority has two parts: one who demands, and one who obeys
22:50 < Mercster> Gandhi's system worked because thousands were available to be crushed
22:51 <@aestetix> And didn't shirk away from it.
22:51 < Mercster> yeah
22:51 < Mercster> willingly
22:51 < dasunt_> Mercster: Gandhi's system worked because the British gave a damn.
22:51 < Mercster> dasunt_: eventually ;)
22:51 < dasunt_> If it was Stalin, Siberia would have a lot more prisons.
22:51 <@aestetix> Here is where I disagree, partly.
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22:51 <@aestetix> It depends on what obedience is.
22:52 < Mercster> well, there are different contexts for obedience.  some are self-serving, some are required for self-preservation (as in the above example)
22:54 < Mercster> obedience can be seen in some contexts as relinquishing free will because, well, the will doesnt know everything
22:54 < Mercster> its the same idea as "standing on the shoulders of giants"
22:54 < Mercster> if a senior coder tells you to obey a particular practice, you can choose not to do so and rely on your own experience, which will get you fucking nowhere
22:55 < Mercster> you may or may not arrive at the correct behavior, after some period of time that you can consider wasted or not
22:55 <@aestetix> So, in a sense, obedience must be earned.
22:55 <@aestetix> Either by brute or by skill.
22:55 < Mercster> if indeed the unskilled can recognize skill
22:56 <@Dagmar> Hmm... You really only have to deal with Ubuntu for a short while before you start to see the advantage to Microsoft's "One set of patches a month" policy
22:56 <@aestetix> Thus you get "fool's gold", conceptually
22:56 < Mercster> aestetix: not necessarily, the possibility of fool's gold exists
22:56 <@dasunt> Are you praising MS?
22:56 <@dasunt> For patches?
22:56 < Mercster> what yuo must also factor in is the position of power in the first place
22:56 <@aestetix> Ok, fair enough.
22:57 < Mercster> in that if one is able to exert authority, there must be a reason
22:57 <@aestetix> It depends on how you discern skill.
22:57 <@Dagmar> No, I'm irritated that every damn time I boot to Ubuntu, there's 40 fucking patches that need to install
22:57 <@aestetix> Bark versus bite, so to speak.
22:57 < Mercster> well now you're getting into discipline :)
22:57 <@Dagmar> Well, about every other time actually, but...  It's starting to get annoying
22:58 <@aestetix> Ok, I need to move to my bed to finish this one :)
22:59 <@sdodson> Dagmar: So don't apply them.
22:59 < Mercster> sdodson: heh
22:59 <@sdodson> OMG FIXES
22:59 < Mercster> good answer
23:03  * aestetix is getting doublefisted by erlang and automake
23:04 <@Dagmar> lol
23:04 <@aestetix> Dagmar: you can imagine how much fun this is
23:04 <@Dagmar> Automake by itself makes me want to smack someone
23:05 < Mercster> automake is a friend to admins, a horrible demon to coders
23:05 < Mercster> as an admin, im all for it
23:05  * Mercster ducks
23:05 <@aestetix> And neither of you have commented on erlang yet because.... nobody outside of ericson or academia has done anything with it yet :p
23:06 < Mercster> yea, no idea on erlang
23:06 <@Dagmar> I'm just assuming it's equally annoying as automake.
23:06 <@sdodson> I know about erlang.
23:06 <@sdodson> A friend of mine had a raging hardon for it.
23:09 <@aestetix> sdodson: what do you know about it
23:09 <@aestetix> besides "it's the best programming language everar!"
23:10 <@sdodson> aestetix: What else do you need to know?
23:10 <@aestetix> I guess nothing else.
23:10 <@rhia> know a guy in Phoenix that does erlang and asa - rather a specialist
23:10 <@sdodson> I don't remember enough about what my friend told me, but it sounded cool.
23:10 <@sdodson> like it's very dynamic or something.
23:10 <@aestetix> Oh yeah.
23:10 <@aestetix> Erlang is fucking awesome for that.
23:11 <@aestetix> I mean, it's designed to run on phone switchboards.
23:11 <@aestetix> It's amazingly concurrent and reliable.
23:11 <@aestetix> It's build to scale.
23:11 <@sdodson> Ya, it's like an fpga of programming languages based on what I remember my friend telling me.
23:11 <@sdodson> if tha tmakes any sense.
23:12 <@aestetix> Kinda, yeah.
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23:26 <@aestetix> Ok.
23:26 <@aestetix> Does anyone know automake even halfassed?
23:26 <@aestetix> I cannot find where this variable is defined. It's really, really annoying.
23:28 <@sdodson> it's redhat shit but i don't know it
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23:48 <@dasunt> I've hit the "a
23:48 <@dasunt> I've hit the "bad idea" stage of being drunk.
23:48 <@aestetix> ooh what's your good idea
23:50 <@dasunt> I plead the 5th.
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23:51 <@rhia> dasunt: hide the phones
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23:56 <@dasunt> rhia: I have.
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