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00:00 <@Dagmar> I stopped after I found out someone actually made it to JAIL with that stunt
00:00 <@rhia> ??
00:01 <@rhia> as in, a cop actually Arrested someone for trying to pay with legal tender?
00:01 <@sdodson> gandure
00:01 <@sdodson> delusions of it
00:01 <@sdodson> as in he's making it up
00:01 <@Dagmar> That's right, a Wal-Mart store clerk actually told their manager, who called the police, and the police were too stupid to not let the guy go immeditately
00:01 < Mercster> sdodson, heh :)
00:02 <@Dagmar> "Well, it *might* have been forged $2 bills"
00:02 <@rhia> Dagmar: holy shitz
00:02 < Mercster> sdodson: bullshit on irc, say it aint so
00:02 <@Dagmar> Yeah
00:02 <@Dagmar> I'd hate to have to punch someone in the face for something like that, but I would
00:03 <@sdodson> KNOW WHAT I"M SAY"N?
00:03 < Mercster> nomesayn
00:03 <@sdodson> i boughts me some cables
00:03 < Mercster> dope
00:12 <@Catonic> Mercster: I have no fucking clue what you're saying. English, motherfucker. Do you speak it?
00:13 <@Catonic> chamillion makes me think of stephen hawking...
00:14 <@Catonic> "they see me rollin'... they hatin'..."
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00:19 <@Catonic> Dagmar: that's where you utter the phrase "arrest me" over and over
00:20 <@Catonic> don't settle for detain. only arrest means you can sue later.
00:20 <@Catonic> that gets your kink quota as well
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01:01 <@Catonic> I just feel weird
01:02 <@Catonic> i wonder if it's the caffine
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02:03 <@scoil> caffeine*
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06:04 <@dasunt> http://twitter.com/wheeepony
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07:03 <@Shadow404> coolest gift idea ever for your favorite alcoholic, works really well, once you get the hang of getting it out of the tray: http://www.thingsyouneverknew.com/product/65229.do?WT.srch=1&code=RJS00000
07:06 <@Shadow404> i can see this going horribly wrong: http://www.thingsyouneverknew.com/product/electronicthings/tvvcr/virtual+baseball+with+console.do?WT.svl=82112#
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07:26 < TheLightCosine> heh the shot glass thing is rpetty cool
07:30 <@sdodson> If it's something I never knew existed, I probably don't want it.
07:32 <@I-MOD> if it's a website full of things you never knew existed, then there are at least some things you never knew you wanted, and why would you peruse the site just to figure out that you want something that you didn't want before :D
07:39 < TheLightCosine> to make sure your are a cpatalist slave?
07:39 < TheLightCosine> *capatalist
07:39 <@I-MOD> i don't need anyone telling me that, i already know
07:59 <@Catonic> I assume since fleshlights are not available on that website that everyone knows they exist.
08:00 <@I-MOD> indeed
08:08 <@brimstone> http://www.whoppervirgins.com/
08:09 <@I-MOD> ewww
08:10 <@brimstone> that's a fun link to stuff in logs
08:10 <@Catonic> "I like this one better, it tastes more like the horse meat I'm used to eating" -- random Mongolian
08:13 <@Shadow404> anyone ever been to a tailor just to get measurements taken?
08:13 <@Shadow404> not to get their clothes tailored there, just measurements?
08:15 <@Catonic> Shadow404: think about the audience here...
08:15 <@Catonic> the only two people who might own suits are rattle and decius.
08:16 <@Catonic> because if timball shows up in a suit, he's probably going to hear comments about "de plane!"
08:16 <@Shadow404> lawl
08:16 <@Catonic> and I know mine doesn't fit.
08:16 <@Shadow404> i own a nice suit, just its worn only maybe once a year
08:16 <@Catonic> Shadow404: they make suits in `damn tall motherfucker' size?
08:16 <@Shadow404> cause my workplace is jeans and collared shirt
08:17 <@Shadow404> Catonic: its "omg uber tall" size
08:17 <@Catonic> my workplace is "cover the naughty bits."
08:17 <@Shadow404> nice, so i could go to work in a man thong?
08:17 <@Catonic> I just need to grow a beard, long hair, put on some shorts and wear sandals.
08:18 <@Shadow404> lawl
08:18 <@Catonic> Shadow404: I just got done eating breakfast and reading a book about Marilyn Manson
08:18 <@Catonic> let's not discuss such.
08:18 <@Shadow404> heh
08:18 <@Shadow404> lets discuss how much i wanna punch an indian
08:19 <@Catonic> we found a great way to insult one of our indian friends
08:19 <@Catonic> we told him he had a man crush on another friend
08:20 <@Catonic> apparently insinuating homosexuality is above feeding a vegan a hamburger
08:20 <@Catonic> or below, depending on which way you look at it
08:20 <@Shadow404> wooot
08:21 <@Shadow404> thx for the infoz
08:21 <@Catonic> so just start calling them cockgobblers.
08:21 <@Shadow404> heh, something more work appropriate please?
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08:48 <@Catonic> Shadow404: you're going to bash a man's sexual orientation and you're looking for a nice way to do it? Look in the company manual and see if there's anything in there about sexual orientation
08:48 <@Shadow404> heh
08:53 <@Catonic> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XHMORE-FM <- only a few letters off from whore-fm.
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09:28 <@oddball> anybody work with bluehost before?
09:29 <@Shadow404> na, but i do have a server named bigblue
09:29 <@brimstone> i've used bluetack before
09:29 <@Shadow404> but i didnt stay at a holiday inn unfortunately
09:30 <@Shadow404> i stayed at a hilton on the last business trip
09:37 <@Catonic> oddball: I am not going to cuddle.
09:37 <@Catonic> oddball: you fucker, you bit me, didn't you?
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09:47 <@aestetix> Heh. My last business trip, I slept on my coworker's couch.
09:48 <@oddball> Catonic: might you lay off the crack in the moring?
09:48 <@Shadow404> after work sex with the male boss doesnt count as a business trip aestetix
09:49 <@oddball> wow... so I found out the guy that was doing our webhosting was some guy our president met on a cruise.
09:49 <@aestetix> Shadow404: why are you thinking so much about sex with men this morning?
09:49 <@Shadow404> im not, i just know you are one fucked up human being
09:50 <@aestetix> For talking about a business trip?
10:04 <@Catonic> I feel like less of a man without ware around to abuse.
10:04 <@Catonic> oddball: I stopped sleeping at night. I assume this is because you infected me with the zombie virus.
10:04 <@oddball> ah, sorry about that
10:10 <@aestetix> What happened to ware, anyways?
10:11 <@Shadow404> he left the channel after there was a big stink
10:11 <@Shadow404> he hangs out now in #nashville2600
10:11 <@aestetix> about what?
10:12 <@aestetix> I am guessing the chair thing
10:12 <@Shadow404> no
10:12 <@rhia> aestetix: ware's hostile bigotry, for one
10:15 <@aestetix> Ok. Channel poll: what's everyone's opinion of 2600 the magazine, and emmanuel?
10:16 <@aestetix> I *believe* the shit I'm dealing with right now is a New York thing, but just need to make sure.
10:18 <@Catonic> where's ware? who cares...
10:18 <@Catonic> not like waldo...
10:18 <@Catonic> waldo is a daffy fucker with terrible fashion sense, and people care when he leaves. Ware? who gives a fuck.
10:20  * aestetix thinks he needs to tune out some people
10:21 <@aestetix> A lot of folk love to offer criticism without actually doing anything.
10:21 <@sdodson> Wait, there's a magazine?
10:23 <@rhia> yeah, deadtree version, no less - lots of stuff about 'hacking' the intercom phones at walmart and similar stuff
10:23 <@Drag0n> what 2600?
10:23  * I-MOD offers criticism and offers the illusion of doing something
10:23 <@tzanger> oh god
10:24 <@tzanger> 2600 is rehasing old articles with new stores
10:24 <@I-MOD> nice
10:24 <@aestetix> tzanger: then submit something better.
10:24 <@aestetix> If you submit something good, and it doesn't get printed, then you have every right to bitch.
10:24 <@tzanger> heh
10:25 <@tzanger> I used to hang out in #2600 in efnet like 10 years ago
10:25 <@aestetix> I have respect for Emmanuel. I don't have respect for all the groupies.
10:26 <@tzanger> meh; the magazine's mildly entertaining.  I commend him for trying, but I can't say it is particularly helpful in any way
10:26 <@aestetix> He's kept it going for longer than most people around have known what computers were.
10:26 <@tzanger> 2600 (the mag) reminds me of AD&D; it's catnip for the pizza-faced 13-year old crowd, and it's amusing to watch the next batch of teens "discover" it
10:27 <@tzanger> aestetix: absolutely
10:27 <@aestetix> tzanger: here's my view. I respect it because it finds those kids and introduces them to a new community. Rather than being annoying twits, the good ones get fetched up and turned to better things.
10:28 <@tzanger> That's an interesting look on it -- and as someone with a 13yo at home I think you may be on to something
10:28 <@aestetix> That's why I respect emmanuel.
10:28 <@tzanger> most of the people I know who would actually really get into something like 2600 would have already been tinkering with that stuff for a few years already
10:28 <@aestetix> He helped created a community where that's possible.
10:28 <@aestetix> The other way to look at it....
10:28 <@aestetix> Most of *us* think that 2600 is juvenile and silly. But those 13 year olds don't.
10:29 <@tzanger> yes, agreed again
10:29 <@aestetix> They don't know anything, and it's a great introduction for them.
10:29 < zadeaux> I don't consider something that spurs creative thinking juvenile and silly
10:30 <@aestetix> A lot of people have tried to create their own. Binrev did, hell, I tried to.
10:31 <@aestetix> But most of them wind up failing. 2600 has kept going for a really long time.
10:31 <@aestetix> To say that 2600 inspired these is not too far from the truth, either.
10:31 <@Corydon76-dig> zadeaux: does it really spur creative thinking, though?
10:31 <@nachoguy> it gives people a banner under which to organize and collaborate
10:32 <@Corydon76-dig> Or are creative people naturally just drawn to that culture?
10:32 < zadeaux> in my personal opinion, yes..
10:32 <@tzanger> I don't necessarily thing that 2600 inspires creative thinking
10:32 <@nachoguy> but it gets creative people together
10:32 <@tzanger> it's ideas for mischief to most of the people who read it
10:32 <@aestetix> Because of my work at HOPE, I've kind of been branded as part of 2600, even though I don't have an email address and have never been published in the zine.
10:32 <@nachoguy> before the intertron, that was really a big deal
10:33 <@tzanger> maybe 1% of the kids who read it will start thinking outside of the box, but again, I am willing to bet that that 1% were already doing so
10:33 <@aestetix> The amount of fire I have to deal with is really annoying.
10:33 <@nachoguy> aestetix, but you ran mdw2600
10:33 <@tzanger> and again, I'm using my own 13yo and his friends as a point of reference
10:33 <@nachoguy> "ran"
10:33 <@tzanger> my 7yo, however, is one of those 1%
10:33 <@aestetix> nachoguy: so the people who moderate se2600 are also part of it?
10:33 <@tzanger> and my 4yo daughter may very well be as well, although it's too early to tell.
10:34 <@Corydon76-dig> tzanger: so when are they going to start hacking on Asterisk?
10:34 <@aestetix> Corydon76-dig: incremental steps.
10:34 <@tzanger> my 9yo though... is not, she's like the 13yo.  creative, but not necessarily able to really pull concepts out of thin air
10:34 <@tzanger> Corydon76-dig: as soon as I can figure out a way to make it cool to them :-)
10:34 <@aestetix> A lot of people come across the Mentor's work and think "wow, I can relate to this!"
10:34 <@aestetix> But most never get past that point.
10:35 <@Corydon76-dig> What inspires me to be creative isn't a magazine, but the uncontrollable rantings of noncreative people
10:35 <@aestetix> Corydon76-dig: but the magazine creates a brand around which they can collect.
10:35 <@aestetix> Or against which.
10:35 <@tzanger> Corydon76-dig: haha, that's a neat way of looking at it
10:35 <@nachoguy> aestetix, I'd argue that yes, they're part of the culture.  they unite under the "2600" banner, they organize events.  they're part of the larger 2600 community
10:35 <@tzanger> what inspires me to be creative is my own ranting.  I've always felt that technology to be a slave to man, not the other way around
10:36 <@tzanger> any time I feel put upon by the way some bit of tech has to be operated, I get upset, and I try to wrap it around my needs, not the other way around
10:36 <@aestetix> tzanger: ranting is generally energy without a proper outlet.
10:36 <@Corydon76-dig> tzanger: most people don't really know when they have a good idea.
10:36 < zadeaux> But how does that make you really feel?
10:36 <@aestetix> So if you can take that ranting and give it a positive outlet, it's more productive.
10:38 <@aestetix> The dance community does something similar. They take kids on the street, teach them stretches and dance moves, and eventually the kids can be in dance shows that also act as fundraisers for the community.
10:38 <@Corydon76-dig> From time to time, I listen to other people's rants about Asterisk to see if I can extract a specific need that I could write
10:39 <@aestetix> Last I checked, breakdancing was still pretty fscking cool.
10:39 <@nachoguy> Corydon, really?
10:39 <@Corydon76-dig> This is why I'm such a prolific contributor
10:39 <@aestetix> Corydon76-dig: yeah, that's a great way to harvest ideas.
10:40 <@nachoguy> <rant> asterisk needs a way to busy out dahdi/zap channels, so that no more incoming calls (from T1s) will be accepted</rant>
10:40 <@aestetix> It's just like if you want to know the answer to something, there are two ways to find it. (1) ask politely (2) insult everyone about it....
10:40 <@brimstone> nachoguy: softhangup
10:40 <@aestetix> "Dude, windows xp is fucking gay, it doesn't support ___, why the hell would anyone use it?!"
10:40 <@Corydon76-dig> Sometimes, people even realize they have a good idea, but their inexperience at developing human interfaces produces something that needs molding
10:40 <@aestetix> "you n00b, of course it does, do ___ and ___, now go diaf you tool"
10:41 <@nachoguy> brimstone, that'll hang up a channel, I want to busy out the channels, so calls will roll over to a differnt T1 in a hunt group (usually connected to a secondary asterisk machine)
10:41 <@Corydon76-dig> nachoguy: Issue 3450
10:41 <@aestetix> Corydon76-dig: dude, you're starting to sound like a socialist. What's this whole "community effort" crap?
10:41 <@tzanger> hahaha
10:42 <@Corydon76-dig> nachoguy: Dwayne has been working on it forever, and it works for FAS lines
10:42 <@Corydon76-dig> It still needs a bit of work for NFAS
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10:43 < Mercster> oh poo
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10:43 <@nachoguy> Corydon, shiny.  everyone once in a while, I'd go looking for it, and just find lots of people asking for it.  I somehow have never managed to find that bug
10:44 <@Corydon76-dig> nachoguy: Heh, shoulda mentioned it here... ;-)
10:44 < TheLightCosine> aestetix: in response to the above , I thoguht it was great until i started reading it
10:45 < TheLightCosine> friend loaned me some back issues
10:45 < zadeaux> the only problem i have with NFAS is trying to explain what it is to the account manager so he can place the order
10:45 < TheLightCosine> when every single issue has 3 articles on "cracking wep in windows" it feels a little like surfing youtube
10:45 <@nachoguy> I swear I have; doesn't mean you were around at the time
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10:46 <@nachoguy> regarless, cool
10:46 <@nachoguy> I really could have used that this weekend
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10:47 <@aestetix> TheLightCosine: sure. But how advanced are you?
10:47 <@aestetix> A security professional is not going to open the magazine and find something enlightening.
10:47 <@aestetix> However, those are the people who should be submitting articles.
10:48 < TheLightCosine> I wouldn't say I'm that advanced
10:48 < TheLightCosine> there are certainly plenty of people here more advanced than I
10:48 <@aestetix> Are you advanced compared to what you read in 2600?
10:49 < TheLightCosine> compared to most of what I 've seen in there yeag
10:49 <@aestetix> There ya go.
10:49 < TheLightCosine> now there are definite gold nuggets in there
10:49 < TheLightCosine> but i dunno if it jsutifies wading throguh the crap or not
10:49 <@aestetix> I'm saying, you should view it as a golden opportunity.
10:50 <@aestetix> Submit your own stuff. Maybe you can have some influence over what people think/do in the next 5-10 years.
10:50 <@aestetix> Plus, if the articles all suck, that would make yours look that much better :)
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10:53 < TheLightCosine> heh, i'm not saying they suck exactly...well some do
10:53 < TheLightCosine> some of the repetitious ones are very well written
10:53 < TheLightCosine> i justwish the mag would get a broader range
10:54 <@aestetix> Oh, some of them really suck.
10:54 <@aestetix> phar told me that once, someone actually submitted an article on how you can use ctrl-alt-del to reset a computer.
10:55 <@aestetix> Like, a serious article.
10:56 < TheLightCosine> ...
10:56 < TheLightCosine> how do you sterct a one sentence thing into an article lol
10:57 <@nachoguy> I turned two sentences into an essay several times in school
10:57 <@nachoguy> the art of bullshit
10:57 < TheLightCosine> point
10:58 < TheLightCosine> okay guys here's my new article "ctrl+c, how to stop execution!" =P
10:59 <@aestetix> I guess you could actually turn that into an article if you mentioned how the processor actually handles the interrupt....
10:59 <@aestetix> But uh.
10:59 < TheLightCosine> hah
10:59 < TheLightCosine> that'd actually be kinda cool then
10:59 < TheLightCosine> if i knew that
11:00 < TheLightCosine> sometimes some of the 'hackers' out there scare me tho
11:01 < TheLightCosine> i always used to avoid the term, because i figured "I'm not 1337, i don't want to give people the wrong impression"
11:02 < TheLightCosine> but when people start trying to tell me that tI can use wireshark by itself to break WEP on an emtpy wlan , i seriously have to wonder
11:02 <@I-MOD> TheLightCosine, it's perfectly fine to call yourself a hacker, given you don't hang off the media's every word and actually know what being a hacker is
11:03 <@nachoguy> to hack wireless, all you need is a computer with a wireless card and lunix.  it's so l33t that it h4x0rs t3h wireless automagically!
11:03 < TheLightCosine> I-MOD: i've tried to find a more accurate description for myself i jsut haven't found it yet
11:03 <@I-MOD> heh, i need to set that up
11:03 < TheLightCosine> nachoguy: very possible, but there's soemrthing fun about doing it manually
11:04 < TheLightCosine> well quasi-manually
11:04 < TheLightCosine> i'mstill just telling aireplay to run a cho-chop attack, or a fragmentation attack ro whatever
11:04 < TheLightCosine> so i guess there's not a huge difference
11:04 <@I-MOD> if !countOpenNetworks then foreach getWEPNets (crack(wepnet) checkconnectivity...)
11:05 < TheLightCosine> http://xkcd.com/416/
11:06 <@I-MOD> lol
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11:06 < TheLightCosine> ironically i had just read that comic the same day i watched Eagle Eye
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11:41 <+SmthingPrductive> excellent! http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Open-Sesame.aspx
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11:53 < TheLightCosine> that's rpetty funny
11:57 <@Corydon76-dig> Is there a way, in gimp, to grab the stored image's preview (which isn't corrupt) out of a corrupt jpeg image file?
11:59 <@aestetix> I don't know about gimp
11:59 <@aestetix> But there are exiftools you can use for that
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12:00 <@brimstone> i've seen it done before, but i don't think with gimp
12:00 <@aestetix> In fact, I know there are exiftools that do this (unsure about exiftool itself)
12:00 <@aestetix> as I have done that
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12:15 <@aestetix> damn you rick astley
12:15 <@aestetix> can't stop hearing that song
12:17 <@Corydon76-dig> danke.  I just used exiftool and it worked
12:17 <@Drag0n> still cant beat the macys thanksgiving day parrade rick-roll
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12:24 <@aestetix> bitte
12:24 <@aestetix> Drag0n: ever since my roommate set his ringtone to the song, I can't stop watching rickroll videos
12:26 <@aestetix> you know
12:26 <@aestetix> it's really hard to find an interview of rick astley
12:27 <@aestetix> way too many of them are called "interview with rick astley" and it winds up rickrolling you instead
12:28 <@Drag0n> oh noes, its a music trap
12:29 <@Dolemite> aftern00n, be0tches and h0 h0 h0ez!
12:31 <@Shadow404> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJxsAgctZuk
12:38  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
12:40 <@aestetix> The 80s must have really sucked.
12:41 <@Dolemite> The 80s were the bomb!
12:41 <@aestetix> I can't believe someone would have legitimately paid for rick astley to tour around the world.
12:41 <@Dolemite> Other than you being born, of course
12:41 <@aestetix> Dolemite: I remember the late 80s, at least.
12:45 < Mercster> nevagonnaGIVE nevagonnaGIVE
12:46 <@Shadow404> same, i wish i was born in the 70's so i could of enjoyed the 80's more
12:49 < Mercster> i think the eighties sucked in general unless you were doing lots of cocaine
12:49 <@Shadow404> again, so i could of enjoyed the 80's more
12:49 <@Dolemite> I was a teenager in the 80s and loved it.
12:49 <@Dolemite> And no, I was not on drugs.
12:51 <@aestetix> Dolemite: you were high on Rick Astley
12:51 < Mercster> hungry like a wolf
12:51 <@Dementia> I was a kid in the 80s. It was odd.
12:53 < Mercster> the main thing i remember about the 80s was hair metal, foe which i had a voracious appetite, and which i am now deeply ashamed of
12:53 < Mercster> so it's sort of a raw nerve
12:54 <@tzanger> heh
12:55 <@Dolemite> I always enjoyed making fun of the hair metal fans.
12:55 <@Dolemite> I was into Jazz and Classical during my teenage years.  I was even weirder then than I am now.
12:55 < Mercster> i hit teenage years at the end of the 80s
12:55 < Mercster> started getting much more into classic rock
12:57 < Mercster> when you start listening to led zeppelin and pink floyd, and then remember that you thought cinderella and winger were awesome...
12:57 < Mercster> not good
12:58 <@Dolemite> Yeah, see in the early 80s my brother was still living at home, so I was brought up on classic and progressive rock.
12:58 < Mercster> nod
12:59 <@Dolemite> I also made the jump from classical and jazz to fusion and very early electronic music, which was still pretty much developing at that time.
12:59 <@Dolemite> Sequencers were *very* new in the mid-80s
12:59 < Mercster> unless you listened to Yes and whatnot ;-)
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13:00 <@Dolemite> I listened to Yes
13:00 <@Dolemite> The Who
13:00 <@Dolemite> Tangerine Dream
13:00 <@Dolemite> Queen
13:01 <@Dolemite> Led Zeppelin
13:01 <@Dolemite> Steely Dan
13:01 <@Dolemite> etc
13:01 <@rhia> Dolemite: we shared a lot of music influence
13:01 < Mercster> Queen rules
13:01 < Mercster> to this day Queen is some of the only 80s music i have in my library
13:02 <@Dolemite> Tangerine Dream is the one that stands up the best for me, despite being almost entirely instrumental
13:03 <@rhia> grew up listening to a lot of the classical Russian romanticists, then Yes & the rest from your list above, plus Kansas and Styx (earlier stuff) that showed a some serious classical training in the music
13:03 <@Dolemite> I gained my appreciation for some of the more traditional 80s bands at the end of the decade...  like Crowded House, Tears for Fears and Duran Duran.
13:03 <@Dolemite> Yeah, Kansas and Styx and Steve Miller Band and Alan Parsons Project...
13:03 <@rhia> but, big hair rock is just fun to sing and bop around to
13:04 <@rhia> Dolemite: oh, yeah, and Manfred Mann
13:06 <@Dolemite> Hrmm.  Hollywood will probably manage to get $7 out of me in January to go see Underworld Rise of the Lycans.
13:07 < Mercster> had a friend try to get me into steely dan recently, was a little too 'adult contemporary' for my tastes
13:07 <@Drag0n> finaly making the last of the trillogy?
13:07 <@rhia> Santana, Yngwie, and ,... yes, even Frampton for guitar work
13:07 <@Dolemite> Well, King Crimson is a must
13:08 <+eryc> http://thismight.be/offensive/uploads/2008/12/16/image/250157_%5Btaf%5D%20oh%20yeah.jpg
13:09 <@rhia> been listening more to BT, Boards of Canada, Amethystium, Delerium, Enigma, Synasthesia, etc lately, tho
13:10 <@Shadow404> bt kicks as
13:10 <@Dolemite> I just can't get into BT.  He has some good stuff, but mostly it degrades back to Gay Europop Dance Club music.
13:10 <@Dolemite> Shadow404's statement just solidified my stance.
13:11 < Mercster> yea, no taste whatsoever for electronical/dance type stuff
13:11 <@Shadow404> whatever, you know you enjoy pet shop boys Dolemite
13:12 <@rhia> Baudburn got me listening to BT, prefer the more ambients of the above list, tho - BoC esp
13:12 <@Dolemite> BoC is good and I really like Enigma, as poppish as it is
13:12 <@Shadow404> im more into chillout electro
13:13 <@Shadow404> PVD is good as well
13:14 <@rhia> Dolemite: ever listen to the group 'Gregorian"?
13:15 <@Dolemite> nope
13:15 <@rhia> they take all kinds of rock/pop/etc music and make Gregorian chants from it - some is surprisingly very good
13:15 <@Dolemite> yeah I like some of those mashups
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13:17  * aestetix hoses off the entrance 
13:18 <@sdodson> noise canceling headphones under $60, what should I get?
13:19 <@Catonic_lp> a venereal disease
13:20  * Shadow404 throws delicing agent on waer
13:20 <@Shadow404> *ware
13:20 < ware> eat shit fags
13:21  * Shadow404 starts stopwatch to see how long ware last in channel
13:22 <@Catonic_lp> ware: is that a shit-eating grin on your face, misteR?
13:22 <@Shadow404> thats because he actually ate shit
13:22 < ware> yeah, just ate out yo mommas asshole
13:22 < ware> wwwuuuuuttt!!!
13:23 < ware> yall noobs havent changed at all
13:24 <@Catonic_lp> ware: you still tanning cattle?
13:25 < ware> tanning cattle... yeah youre awesome.  not sure how that lame joke came into play
13:25 < ware> oh wait, it was a drug induced homoerotic fantasy that you and aestetix had roleplayed out
13:25 < ware> troll harder, your shit is weeeaakk
13:26 < ware> about as stale as your pimpin, pimpin.
13:27 <@Evilpig> what is the weather in nashville like?
13:27 < ware> 35 feels like 32
13:27 <@nachoguy> it's snowing up in chicago
13:27 < ware> was sleeting this morning but its supposed to be warming up
13:27 <@Evilpig> no ice on the roads? itls 21 here in detroit
13:28 < ware> they opened schools 2hrs late because of icy roads, but most of it was melted by 8am
13:28 <@Evilpig> good
13:29 <@Evilpig> flight leaves out of here in an hour
13:29 <@Evilpig> they are calling for a big snow storm here in about 2 hours
13:29 < ware> yeah id gtfo there
13:29 <@nachoguy> it's Detroit, I'd gtfo regardless
13:30 <@Evilpig> lol
13:30 <@Catonic_lp> nachoguy: it's detroit... if you blend into the snow, it's time to leave
13:31 <@nachoguy> catonic s/ if you blend into the snow//
13:32 <@Evilpig> waiting on the ground crew to taxi the plane up to the terminal
13:32 <@Shadow404> did they have to call a cabg?
13:32 <@Shadow404> *cab?
13:32  * Catonic_lp staples ware to wontonjoe
13:33 <@Catonic_lp> MaxieZ: yo
13:33 <@Evilpig> okay getting off irc now need to try to get a hold of this girl
13:34 <@Catonic_lp> DONT DO IT
13:34 <@Catonic_lp> SHES A HOOKER
13:34 <@aestetix> It's a trap
13:34 <@Shadow404> Catonic_lp: arent most of them in disguise?
13:34 <@Shadow404> for example, take wares mom
13:34 < ware> this is the life of a meganerd baaayyybbeeee
13:34 <@Catonic_lp> Shadow404: no, only the ones that date you, rip your heart out, and feed it into a woodchipper.
13:35 <@Shadow404> Catonic_lp: basically, i hate that drawing
13:35 <@nachoguy> skydog, are you around?
13:35 <@Shadow404> hes not in the channel
13:35 <@Catonic_lp> I need a nap.
13:35 <@nachoguy> ah, boo
13:36 < Mercster> ah choo
13:37 <@nachoguy> is he boycotting this channel, or is he just not around?
13:37 <@Catonic_lp> #nashville2600
13:37 <@Catonic_lp> are you not on the root list?
13:38 <@nachoguy> nope, I guess I should
13:38 <@Catonic_lp> nachoguy: you didn't miss much, just a good, old fashioned poo flingin'
13:38 <@Catonic_lp> someone started nashville2600..
13:38 <@Dolemite> He has decided to only hang out on #nashville2600 because of drama issues with some people in here
13:38 <@Catonic_lp> 2. ???
13:39 <@Catonic_lp> 3. Profit
13:39 <@nachoguy> awesome
13:39 <@Shadow404> i have drama issues with people in here, but you dont see me running off crying
13:39 <@nachoguy> hrm, well, my retarded client only works in one chan at a time.  I'll be back
13:39 <@Dolemite> Actually, Shadow404, yes we do.
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13:39 <@Catonic_lp> Shadow404: not at least for a few years. :-p
13:39 <@Shadow404> heh
13:40 <@Catonic_lp> We'll make great pets, we'll make great pets.
13:40 <@Shadow404> wtf
13:40 <@Catonic_lp> Except for ware. He's not even fit to be petfood, let alone Soylent Green.
13:41 <@Shadow404> hes about as useful as biowaste
13:41 <@Catonic_lp> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpkmtweNQ-U
13:43 < ware> ur a noob cat
13:43 < ware> and youre lame =/
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13:54 <@Evilpig> just sprinted across detroit airport. barely made it. fuck! my legs hurt
13:54 <@Dolemite> were you being chased?
13:55 <@Evilpig> no
13:56 <@Evilpig> flight was late landing and almost made me miss my connecting flight
13:57 <@Shadow404> well, thats what happens when u have to wait for a cab so u can taxi
14:02 <+eryc> http://www.rickyshalloween.com/flame_0153_body_spray_p/flame.htm
14:02 <@nachoguy> perhaps I missed it, wtf are you doing in Detroit?
14:02 <@Shadow404> working for ford, cant you tell from the results?
14:16 <@Catonic_lp> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUJrt6E6ki0
14:16 <@Catonic_lp> what is aestetix brave enough to say that Serj isn't?
14:26 <+eryc> that yo momma is fat
14:28 <@aestetix> no matter what I do
14:28 <@aestetix> I can't get the fucking rickroll song out of my head
14:34 < zadeaux> http://www.gamergrub.com/
14:41 <@aestetix> that yobama is fat
14:42 <@nachoguy> Aestetix, I'm never gonna give you up.
14:44 < Mercster> aestetix: when you have an earbug like that, 1) listen to the earbug at a loud volume once, then 2) listen to an album or so of something else you really like
14:44 < Mercster> that usually does it for me
14:46 < Mercster> also, nevagonnaGIVE nevagonnaGIVE
14:48 <@brimstone> i keep putting cake's version to those words
14:51 < Mercster> i...i git it
14:54 <@nachoguy> oh yeah, didn't cake cover it?
14:54 <@brimstone> a lot of people have
14:54 <@brimstone> i have enough remix songs for a cd at one point
14:55 < Mercster> scary
14:56 < Mercster> anyways, any version without a gay black dude doing backflips in the video is a pale imitation
14:59 < Mercster> im bout that ol' rilla shit, kiiiid
14:59 <@sdodson> you offend me
14:59 <@Shadow404> sdodson: your face offends me
14:59 < Mercster> i accept your alternative lifestyle
14:59  * brimstone smashes a guitar on stage
15:04  * polerin blinks
15:04 <@polerin> oh cake the band
15:04 <@polerin> that fucks with me
15:06 <@Drag0n> some bands really didnt think forward to the internet when they named their bands, tryt and find information about live
15:07 <@polerin> that's a whole bunch of microshat's fault
15:07 <@polerin> :P
15:07 <@rhia> or Prince's ill fated name change
15:07 <@Drag0n> no, most bands do "live tours
15:07 <@nachoguy> that was contractual
15:07 <@Drag0n> live on stage
15:07 <@Drag0n> "live" sex show
15:07 <@Dolemite> Donkey Show!
15:07 < Mercster> mm
15:07 <@Dolemite> er, Live Donkey Show!
15:08 <@rhia> "live better with fiber"
15:08 < Mercster> it'd be a larger problem if Live didnt suck
15:08 < Mercster> as it is, there's not much reason to search for them
15:08 <@polerin> pht.
15:08 <@polerin> Live rawkz
15:08 < Mercster> rawkz, huh
15:08 <@Drag0n> and for some reason dole, that donkey show porbably hase a few more pages than the band does
15:09 <@Drag0n> didnt say they were bad, just the name
15:09 <@Dolemite> Drag0n : I'm sure a few more were added after Clerks II came out.
15:09 <@Drag0n> or the band "him"
15:10 <@Drag0n> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ekLO8BwxwE
15:10 < Mercster> you'd think 'Yes' would have that problem, but it really doesnt
15:11 < Mercster> haha, wasnt there a group 'The Band'
15:11 <@polerin> Drag0n: apparently you have a specific someone on ignore
15:11 <@Dolemite> Yes, there was a band called, "The Band"
15:11 <@polerin> Mercster: Yes, they were Bob Dylans backing band orginally.
15:12 <@polerin> and he used to introduce them "And this is The Band!"
15:12 <@polerin> so they thought it was funny and kept the name.
15:12 < Mercster> "Who are you looking for?"  "Yes"  "..who?"   "The band"  "Oh, dylan"  'No, Yes"  "What?"
15:12 < Mercster> who's on first
15:12 <@polerin> heh.
15:12 <@polerin> Yes, Guess Who, The Who, The Band .... any more?
15:12 <@polerin> :P
15:13 < Mercster> Uriah Heep
15:13 < Mercster> no, wait..
15:13 <@rhia> Tiny Toon, the squirrel and his granma go to Woodstock covered the bands in the 'who's on first' redux
15:14 <@polerin> heh
15:14 <@rhia> Animaniacs, rather
15:15 <@polerin> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejweI0EQpX8
15:16 <@rhia> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlXjIg4fH74
15:17 <@Dolemite> hahahaha, someone in my WoW guild set the Rick Astley video as their signature on forums
15:19 <@polerin> hehe
15:22 < Mercster> and i know because of KRS-2
15:22 < Mercster> 1 :(
15:24 < Mercster> you must LEARN
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15:31 <@shadowmoss> knock knock
15:31 <@shadowmoss> anyone home?
15:31 <@rhia> Mattel Agrees to Lower Lead Paint Levels in Toys
15:31  * rhia pounces on shadowmoss 
15:31 <@shadowmoss> woot!
15:32  * shadowmoss hugs rhia 
15:32 <@shadowmoss> I'm bored.  what's happenin'?
15:32 <@nachoguy> bu...bu..but, my tasty, tasty lead!
15:32 <@shadowmoss> (hmmm that explains a few things...)
15:33 <@rhia> not a whole lot - how's life been treating you?
15:33 <@shadowmoss> fairly good
15:33 <@nachoguy> my dear, it explains everything.
15:33 <@shadowmoss> I had my next trip to germany pulled away, but other than that I'm good
15:33  * shadowmoss smooches nachoguy 
15:34 <@nachoguy> woowoo!
15:35 <@nachoguy> wait, isn't that like the second or third time they've canceled trips on you?
15:35 <@shadowmoss> yeah, it happens all the time.
15:35  * Corydon76-dig smooches nachoguy 
15:35 <@shadowmoss> schedules get made, I plan around them, then it gets cancelled
15:36 <@shadowmoss> I make plans to go somewhere cause I haven't been scheduled anywhere for awhile, and suddenly I'm headed out of town
15:36 <@nachoguy> hey Sailor!
15:36 <@nachoguy> oh, I thought these were all work trips
15:36  * shadowmoss pushes Corydon76-dig out of nachoguy smooch range
15:36 <@shadowmoss> they are...
15:37 <@shadowmoss> that's how this place rolls
15:37  * shadowmoss snuggles up close to nachoguy to protect him
15:37 <@nachoguy> so they say they're going to ship you to say germany for a week, then cancel a couple weeks before it happens?
15:37  * Mercster frottages nachoguy 
15:38  * nachoguy fromages Mercster
15:38 <@shadowmoss> my senior trainer sent out the training schedule yesterday for the trip, and today my boss (not on my team, but my real boss) says my team has been pulled off, no word from my actual team yet
15:41 <@nachoguy> shadowmoss, that sounds complicated
15:41 <@shadowmoss> yes.  I'm on a team, the only IT person on it.  I work for a separate boss in IT.  So, I follow my team around on fieldings, but report to my IT boss here
15:42 <@shadowmoss> The IT boss here tells me that my fielding team isn't going now, but I haven't heard anything since the schedule they sent out yesterday on who would teach what in Germany
15:42 <@nachoguy> nice
15:43 <@nachoguy> well, I've been re-orged to be the team leader of a team with no official members.  On occasion people are assigned to my team, but they only take direction from me if the have nothing to do, and do not actually report to me.
15:44 <@shadowmoss> wow, you have a team only when they don't have a better offere going...
15:44 <@Dolemite> nachoguy : Wow, do you go on dates with your female friends when they can't find anybody better to go out with?
15:45 <@shadowmoss> I just got a reply from the team lead to my question about it.  He said I was right, and ended with a smiley...  I'm wondering if he's not going without us
15:46 <@nachoguy> Dolemite, I wouldn't call it a date, but if they want to hang out and I'm not doing anything, that's fine with me
15:46 < Mercster> nachoguy: hey, any hole'll do, as long as there's a little heat in there, right
15:46 <@nachoguy> The wife's friends do on occasion
15:46 <@nachoguy> not really what I was going for there.
15:47 <@nachoguy> I know it's against the rules in here, but it was supposed to be a nonsexual remark
15:47 < Mercster> tsk
15:47 <@Dolemite> Yeah, well, I was being quite facetious in my question.
15:47 <@Dolemite> I think we've all had friends of the opposite sex that only called when they couldn't get a better offer.
15:48 <@Dolemite> speaking of better offers
15:48 <@Dolemite> it's time to go home
15:48 <@Dolemite> later, kids!
15:48 < Mercster> byyyeee
15:49 <@nachoguy> later Dole
15:50 < Mercster> trump tite like dolemite
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17:10 <+eryc> http://i35.tinypic.com/wbclec.gif
17:11 <@Catonic_lp> sheeeeeeeeeet
17:16 <@polerin> and he starts taking photos
17:16 <@polerin> I'd have to go take a shower.
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17:34 <@Catonic_lp> I think I'd kill a hooker.
17:34 <@Catonic_lp> because if you've almost just died, who cares what you do to a hooker?
17:34 <@Catonic_lp> except for the hooker, of course, who will be empathizing with you...
17:41  * Mercster stares
17:41 <@brimstone> exim4 has problems with usernames containing ampersands, however postfix does not
17:41 <@brimstone> just, fyi
17:41 <+eryc> k, noted
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18:46 <@Corydon76-dig> Heh, here's a gift for someone who has everything... SFW... http://www.carbonfund.org/?gclid=CJGW9du1xpcCFQpjnAodxGIBTQ
18:53 <@Catonic_lp> someone pm me
18:54 <@Catonic_lp> danke
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20:41 <@Shadow404> lawl
20:42 <@Catonic_lp> lawlerscates
20:42 <@Catonic_lp> lawlplane
20:42 <@Drag0n> lawlessness
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20:51 <@dasunt> Has it just been my experience, or do most people have a hard time grasping the concept of effective debugging of a problem (software, hardware or otherwise).
20:52 <@dasunt> Like picking a test that basically narrows the search field of a problem.
20:53 <@sasquatc4> ive seen it, but in my experience its been sort of dependant on the degree people have, at least at my job
20:53 <@dasunt> Or following a non-working process from the rough beginning to figure out where it is going astray.
20:53 <@Drag0n> debuging takes time, and time means a deliverable will slip deadlines and the sales weasles and accounting droids know this means money lost, so dev and qa people are presured to let bugs through that shouldnt
20:53 <@dasunt> sasquatc4: Oh?
20:53 <@sasquatc4> those with engineering degrees usually dont have a problem with it, they just follow the problem to its logical conclusion starting from the beginning, but those with just cs or other programming degrees dont seem to do that
20:53 <@Drag0n> and this is how we get windows vista
20:54 <@dasunt> Hmmm.
20:54 <@dasunt> Oh, my coworker is in college right now for IT.
20:54 <@dasunt> He's told me about his classes.
20:54 <@dasunt> It makes me sad.
20:54 <@dasunt> Very, very sad.
20:55 <@dasunt> As far as I can tell, a lot of it is theory, out of date by about 10 years or so, vaguely sketched out, that most students will forget soon after the test.
20:57 <@sasquatc4> well most college programs are theory to begin with
20:58 <@sasquatc4> with the exception of the lab/semester project type of classes, which usually integrate the theory from other classes anyway
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21:03 <@Catonic_lp> people are fucking retards
21:04 <@Catonic> jeez that lag
21:05 <@Catonic> anyway, most people are fucking retards who have no idea how complicated it is to debug a problem
21:05 <@Catonic> some, through education, can hope to do similar
21:05 <@Catonic> others of us, have the innate ability to do it, and do it quickly.
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21:09 <@sasquatc4> printf ftw!
21:10 <@sasquatc4> the issue at my place may just be because of the environment those programmers are thrown in to, since its embedded and all C i dont think they grasp the lower level stuff as quickly as the engineers do who have a lot more training in those areas
21:10 <@sasquatc4> since most of the cs people are trained in java/c++/whatever and not c
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22:10 <@dasunt> http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=26328
22:11 <@polerin> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v666/mofo517/bushoes.gif
22:13 <@dasunt> http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=29703
22:17 <@sdodson> http://www.creepygif.com/image.php?i=492
22:22 <@dasunt> http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=28755
22:22 <@dasunt> I obviously don't have the same view of the world as these people.
22:22 <@dasunt> I don't wonder if every substance I see can make me high.
22:24 <@dasunt> Also, I'm not an idiot.
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22:35 <@sdodson> dasunt: I think you just characterized aestetix
22:36 <@Catonic_lp> Some people aren't work the effort that it would take to cum on thier faces.
22:37 <@sdodson> some people arent words type head say
22:43 <@dasunt> LOL.
22:43 <@dasunt> I has gin.
22:43 <@dasunt> And beer.
22:43 <@dasunt> And gin.
22:44 <@Catonic> I has aural win
22:45 <@Catonic> dasunt: I've been reading
22:46 <@Catonic> muscians don't limit relationships to any concern of destruction, or keeping themselves from being a in a codepenent relationship
22:48 <@aestetix> ugh
22:48 <@aestetix> I drank way too much tonight
22:48 <@aestetix> on the plus side, I got the equivalent of a cute girls phone number
22:48 <@dasunt> aestetix: DRINK AGAIN BEFORE YOU MEET HER!
22:49 <@Catonic> I actually had that fear recently
22:49 <@aestetix> now it's time to see if I can build oci8 support into php, while drunk
22:49 <@Catonic> I met a girl who actually seemed ok
22:49 <@dasunt> It's an act.
22:49 <@dasunt> She's hiding crazy.
22:50 <@rhia> keep telling you guys - quit going for girls, talk to women instead - much less crazy to sane ratio
22:50 <@dasunt> Women are too smart.
22:50 <@dasunt> They won't put up with my bullshit.
22:50 <@dasunt> :(
22:51 <@rhia> therein might lie the issue
22:51 <@Corydon76-dig> I suspect the best dasunt can do is men.
22:51 <@dasunt> I walk a fine line -- finding someone crazy enough to go out with me, not crazy enough to sell both my kidneys when I forget our one month anniversary of when she spotted me on the street that one time.
22:51 <@aestetix> rhia: that is the truth.
22:51 <@Catonic> .. and I walk a line.
22:51  * Catonic takes a chuck
22:52 <@aestetix> I just emailed my coworker "hey your friend was cute"
22:52  * Catonic takes a *chug
22:52 <@Corydon76-dig> non-attraction notwithstanding
22:52 <@aestetix> If it turns out she's taken, I'll use the "I was realy drunk, man" disclaimer
22:52 <@dasunt> Corydon76-dig: But I don't like cocks.  :(
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22:57 <@aestetix> dasunt: have you had cock before?
22:57 <@Catonic> dasunt: move to alabama
22:57 <@aestetix> can't knock it till you tried it
22:58 <@Catonic> we need someone who understand "unix" here.
22:59 <@Catonic> It's close enough to TN that you can firebomb your ex, and still make it to the state line in time to have an alibi
22:59 <@dasunt> aestetix: Nope.  But don't have any urges to.
23:00 <@Catonic> we can practice drinking each other under the table, and then kill each other when our livers dies
23:00 <@Catonic> *die
23:01 <@dasunt> Practice?
23:03 <@Catonic> fuck you
23:03 <@brimstone> dasunt has been practicing
23:04 <@sdodson> I'm a non practicing alcoholic.
23:05 <@dasunt> I'm a practicing alcoholic.
23:05 <@sdodson> We know.
23:05 <@dasunt> Already drank a gallon of beer since Saturday.
23:05 <@dasunt> Dang.
23:05 <@sdodson> Why?
23:08 <@dasunt> Peace of mind.
23:08 <@dasunt> Also, God has a sick sense of humor.
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23:13 <@dasunt> http://xkcd.com/
23:14 <@dasunt> The mouseover is appropriate to this discussion.
23:15 <@aestetix> ugh
23:18 <@brimstone> http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/3521579/Microsoft_Bob ?
23:20 <@Catonic> dasunt: how many six packs is that?
23:21 <@Catonic> that's a bity
23:21 <@aestetix> Why the hell would anyone torrent that?
23:23 <@dasunt> Catonic: Dunno, I usually stick to 1.75L.
23:32 <@maco> any of you using ubuntu and up for testing a new version of firefox before it's released into the main archive?
23:33 <@sdodson> Interest rates hit 4.875% :(
23:34 <@brimstone> refinance?
23:37 <@sdodson> brimstone: yerp
23:38 <@rhia> torrent MS Bob? maybe someone thinks its the SubGenius OS
23:39 <@sdodson> Maybe it's like... a joke or something
23:40 <@rhia> gasp!  is it possible?
23:41 <@sdodson> inorite
23:41 <@sdodson> rhia: you down with dat shit?
23:42 <@scoil> hi
23:43 <@sdodson> scoil: hi
23:43 <@scoil> hey whats up
23:44 <@maco> rhia: hey, after 8 drinks, randall munroe says you're supposed to drop the freebsd torrent and go for ms bob
23:49 <@sdodson> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0767907698 anyone read that?
23:50 <@aestetix> one should not use valgrind while drunk
23:54 <@sdodson> aestetix: what are you doing?
23:55 <@aestetix> work :(
23:55 <@sdodson> aestetix: right right, but what?
23:58 <@aestetix> trying to find a memory leak in a firefox plugin
23:59 <@sdodson> uhhm why not use the firefox plugin to do that?
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