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00:00 <@dasunt> I can't talk to my liver.  It has a restraining order against me for abuse.
00:01 <@jb7od> liver schmiver. All who
00:01 <@jb7od> s
00:01 <@jb7od> not a wage slave say Aye.
00:02 <@dasunt> :(
00:02 <@dasunt> Fuckoff and die welfare scum.
00:03 <@jb7od> i got too much pride for that..
00:03 < eryc> yea, gay pride
00:04 <@jb7od> jb7od 2009: "too much gay pride for welfare"
00:05 <@sdodson> damn, meeting with the boss lady in the morning :(
00:05 <@sdodson> I dislike mornings.
00:05 <@remoford> also meeting with the boss lady
00:07 <@sdodson> remoford: we're doomed!
00:07 <@jb7od> i have to give a tour of a site to a lady from corporate and i had a dream she was really hot-
00:08 <@remoford> haha good luck with that
00:08 <@jb7od> right? haha
00:08 <@remoford> remember no sex on the fileserver
00:08 <@remoford> you will kill disks
00:09 <@jb7od> sdodson: is bosslady a fox? get on some hot for teacher shit..
00:09 <@sdodson> i actually see my boss once a year
00:09 <@remoford> hehe, coming in late for work. must need a spanking
00:10 <@jb7od> that's awesome I'm up to boss 5 on this acct and haven't seen a one irl.
00:11 <@jb7od> that way it's easy for them to shitcan you on the phone at christmas.
00:11 <@remoford> Soldier pleads not guilty in Iraq detainee‘s death - Yahoo! News document.body.className = ‘js-enabled‘;
00:11 <@remoford> wtg google
00:12 <@remoford> thats cold
00:13 <@remoford> if i got canned on christmas id go burn down every toys r us in town
00:13 <@remoford> to spread the love
00:13  * sdodson saves this log for evidence
00:13 <@remoford> omg no
00:13 <@remoford> totally ruin my plan
00:15 <@jb7od> Disgruntled IRC User please not guilty in Christmas Toys-R-Us arson -
00:15 <@jb7od> but see i did bother to spell t-r-us right... haha
00:16 <@jb7od> mane there's this girl from france and when she's chattin she says
00:16 <@jb7od> ahah
00:16 <@jb7od> she's also the only person i've heard say the word "funky" in the past 15 years and mean it as a synonym for "cool"
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00:19 <@jb7od> sdodson: hoo-dee-hooooo
00:20 <@sdodson> jb7od: yup
00:21 <@jb7od> It's beginning to look alot like what?
00:21 <@sdodson> jb7od: deez nuts
00:22 <@jb7od> na that was more outkast.. haha-
00:28  * jb7od wants a video card that will at least do pixel shader 2.0 for christmas (you know you don't need it anymore)
00:29 <@sdodson> What does a 7950 do?
00:30 <@jb7od> 3.0, but should be backward compat.
00:31 <@jb7od> weird tho it's a dx9c card. i thought 3.0=dx10, oh well.
00:32 <@sdodson> oh well, mine, not yours!
00:32 <@sdodson> I don't plan on upgrading anytime soon, I didn't really want to upgrade to this but my old one fried itself.
00:33 <@jb7od> yeah. the best i have is an intel 82865G which is one rev below 2.0 support.
00:37 <@buu> Quick, what's the IP for a public dns server?
00:39 <@jb7od> Sprintlink (Overland Park, KS, US)
00:39 <@jb7od> 199.2.252.10
00:39 <@jb7od> 204.97.212.10
00:39 <@jb7od> 204.117.214.10
00:39 <@jb7od> Cisco (San Jose, CA, US)
00:39 <@jb7od> 64.102.255.44
00:39 <@jb7od> 128.107.241.185
00:40 <@sdodson> 4.2.2.2
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00:43 <@jb7od> weird. would that work off of at&t network? it's got a nat type 192. above it if you trace it.
00:44 <@sdodson> what?
00:45 <@jb7od> it went 12 hops from me and was all inside att, but then again so am i.
00:45 <@sdodson> JB&OD EXPLAIN!
00:45 <@sdodson> oh well i go to bed now
00:46 <@jb7od> 192.205.4.62 is the next to last ip.
00:51 <@dasunt> There's a feeling I get, when I look to the west, and my spirit is crying for leaving.
00:53 <@jb7od> are you listening to that?
00:57 <@dasunt> Yep.
00:57 <@dasunt> But don't worry, I'm going back to bands that are metal and yoik.
01:00 <@jb7od> like what? what's up next?
01:00 <@mtown_nerd> Anyone here have a particular MP3 palyer they really recommend?  Looking for something between $100-$220 max preferably.  Looking at this one right now: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00118Z2WG/ref=pd_luc_mri?_encoding=UTF8&m=A2SZ6RJGR6A085&v=glance
01:01 <@dasunt> jb7od: Listening to Korpiklaani.
01:01 <@dasunt> And a bit of Finntroll.
01:02 <@dasunt> mtown_nerd: What are you looking for?
01:02 <@mtown_nerd> dasunt, codec support, good interface
01:02 <@mtown_nerd> Really nice screen is a plus
01:03 <@dasunt> Meh.
01:03 <@dasunt> Probably one of the more expensive ones then.
01:03 <@dasunt> I just use my for exercising, so a Creative Zen Stone/Stone + works well.
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01:38 <@mtown_nerd> Well, I want one to take to the gym with me, but also to take to work with me, since I walk a lot between our campuses
01:38 <@mtown_nerd> So I want to be able to put a variety of stuff on it for different moods/situations :)
01:38 <@mtown_nerd> And I depended on a shuffle forever.  Ready for something with a screen this time.
01:38 <@mtown_nerd> lol
02:21 < Mercster> yea, creative zens are good players
02:21 < Mercster> affordable and good quality
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04:14 <@aestetix> yo
05:40 < Mercster> oh boys dont fight over me :)
06:05 <@aestetix> Mercster: are you a hot chick?
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07:22 <@Shadow404> you gotta wonder why these foriegn companies never get english proofreaders for their automated form letters?
07:23 <@Shadow404> "
07:23 <@Shadow404>  SCAMS against this finantial entity.
07:24 <@Shadow404> getting ofline the fra=
07:24 <@Shadow404> udulent website.
07:38 <@sdodson> hi
07:39 <@sdodson> You gotta wonder why Shadow404 doesn't get english proofreaders so he doesn't sound like a cornhole wart.
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07:49 <@aestetix> word
07:49 <@aestetix> who wants to see me making a complete fool of myself?
07:50 <@aestetix> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2EyBzVVX0g
07:51 <@aestetix> I should probably turn the music up louder next time...
07:51 <@Shadow404> wow, dont u do that normally? why is that any difrrent?
07:51 <@aestetix> Do what?
07:51 <@Shadow404> make a fool of yourself?
07:52 <@aestetix> Watch the video, foo :p
07:52 <@Shadow404> i did, its u do some weird dancing
07:52 <@aestetix> Lol.
07:52 <@aestetix> It's really hard :/
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08:39 <@Shadow404> can someone recommend a good reverse directory to find a phone number with a physical address?
08:41 <@aestetix> Doesn't superpages.com do that?
08:41 <@Shadow404> ill check
08:42 <@Shadow404> aha, nice
08:50 <@aestetix> Christ.
08:51 <@aestetix> Someone just posted a photo of Knuth in a "ravers wear phat pants" thread
08:51 <@aestetix> I can't even imagine Knuth kandied out
08:51 <@oddball> Shadow404: anywho.com does it as well
08:51 <@oddball> hell... I think google will do it if you format it right.
08:52 <@Shadow404> oddball: yeah, they reverse phone numbers to an address, but not the oppisite
08:52 <@Shadow404> superpages worked for what i needed
08:53 <@oddball> oh, sorry
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10:06 < nated0g_wrk> slow news day ?
10:06 <@nachoguy> hah, nope
10:06 <@nachoguy> Chicago Politics are in high gear
10:11 <@nachoguy> www.chicagotribune.com
10:11 <@nachoguy> arrested the governer this morning
10:12 <@nachoguy> there's a PDF with all the complaint/info.  it's 78 pages long and parts of it are hilarous
10:12 <@oddball> Sounds like the Detroit Mayor that is currently in jail.
10:13 <@oddball> Oh, but this governor is committing white collar crimes.  The good mayor of Detroit was a thug.
10:15 <@Shadow404> well, at least it was "Court-authorized" wiretaps
10:15 <@Shadow404> ill give them that
10:15 <@nachoguy> the mayor of Detroit was arrested mostly for having the affair and trying to pay to cover it up.  I think most of his issue was using public funds to cover up his affair
10:16 <@nachoguy> Blagojavic is just following in a line of illinois governers/politicians getting arrested for doing politics the Chicago way
10:18 <@nachoguy> the reason they arrested him now, instead of letting him finish his term and then taking him to court was to stop him from filling Barack's seat for cash
10:19 <@Shadow404> i still applaud them for getting court approval for the wiretaps rather than pulling the old patriot act, fu gag
10:19 <@aestetix> wait a second
10:19 <@aestetix> if Fannie Mae collapses....
10:19 <@oddball> nachoguy: there was also the purgery, fraud, trying to cover up his wife beating a stripper with a pepper grinder, contempt of court...
10:19 <@aestetix> What happens to all the student loans?
10:20 <@rhia> nachoguy - oddball: and firing a deputy, and assaulting a police officer
10:20 <@nachoguy> Shadow404, wiretaps are just part of the game.  It's old hat, and actually, it's rather sad that he didn't take that into account.
10:21 <@Shadow404> no, i beleive in taps all day long
10:21 <@nachoguy> purgery, fraud and contept of court all stem back to the affair, iirc.  the pepper grinder, well, that's just class.
10:21 <@Shadow404> as long as someone is watching the watcher
10:22 <@aestetix> Shadow404: that never happens anymore, though.
10:22 <@aestetix> Case in point: who monitors the TSA?
10:23 <@oddball> nachoguy: Yeah... that one was my favorite.  Apparently he had a party for his buddies at the mayor's mansion and forgot to tell the wife.
10:24 <@oddball> (my dad lives in suburban Detroit and has been keeping me informed of the "fun" for the past few years)
10:24 <@nachoguy> yeah, I know, you got the hook up for Detroit stuff.
10:25 <@nachoguy> the text messages were the best part
10:25 <@oddball> One of the best is that a judge let him out on bail with the condition that he inform the court if he went out of country (pretty damn leniant).  Next thing the judge knew, he saw the mayor on the news accross the river in Windsor.
10:26 <@Corydon76-dig> oddball: country or county?
10:26 <@nachoguy> country
10:26 <@nachoguy> windsor is Canada
10:27 <@Corydon76-dig> Ah
10:27 <@oddball> country... he could even go into another state without informing the court, just not the country.
10:27 <@oddball> OH, yeah.. sorry
10:27 <@Corydon76-dig> You mean Canada isn't the 51st state?  ;-)
10:27 <@oddball> technically? no
10:28 <@oddball> They even make you have a passport to got there now.
10:29 <@Shadow404> the canadian border patrol is cool
10:30 <@Shadow404> had a good laugh about laptop/car disasters when i was going through checkpoint when he say the laptop in my passenger seat
10:30 <@Shadow404> *saw
10:32 <@oddball> I know my dad is happy that they remind people that radar detectors are illegal in Canada and that he should hide his.
10:32 <@rhia> and the Canadian PM just told Parliament to go home for a while
10:32 <@rhia> well, had the Minister have the Queen tell them to -
10:33 <@rhia> he didn't want the No Confidence vote, so he got dear ol' Mom involved
10:33 <@oddball> Yeah... the canadian government is going through some... interesting... times right now.
10:34 <@oddball> I'm kind of suprised that Canada hasn't followed Australia's lead and left the common wealth at this point.
10:39 <@aestetix> Hmm.
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10:43 < Mercster> aestetix: kinda
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10:49 <@aestetix> huh?
10:51  * Catonic goes crosseyed
10:52 < Mercster> 07:05 <@aestetix> Mercster: are you a hot chick?
10:52 < Mercster> plz try to remember things you said to me hours ago
10:52 <@aestetix> oh
10:53 <@aestetix> pics
10:53 <@Shadow404> Mercster: i dont rmemeber things 5 minutes ago
10:53 < Mercster> Shadow404: THAT'S YOUR PROBLEM
10:53 <@Catonic> a/s/l? a/m/v?
10:53 < Mercster> aestetix: cant you respect me for my mind
10:53 <@Shadow404> Mercster: why caps?
10:54 < Mercster> Shadow404: funny
10:54 <@Catonic> Mercster: it's your mind he wants to fuck.
10:54 < Mercster> that's so hot
10:54 <@nachoguy> right in the ear hole
10:54 <@Shadow404> Catonic: that is not an approved method of picking up chicks beyond the age of middle school
10:54 <@nachoguy> Aural sex for all!
10:54 <@Catonic> third-eye fucking++
10:54 <@aestetix> Fucking feminists...
10:55 <@Catonic> there are no rules to picking up chicks.
10:55 <@Shadow404> aestetix is doomed as a feminist supporter hoping to get laid
10:55 <@nachoguy> Catonic, yes there are.  Lift with the knees, not the back
10:55 <@Catonic> if you're in the right place at the right time, knocking her across the head with your dick can get you laid.
10:55 <@Shadow404> Catonic: a/s/l? a/m/v? is not exactly a turn on question
10:56 <@aestetix> Catonic: step 1. pick up a brick. step 2. ???? step 3. sex!
10:56 <@Shadow404> aestetix: lawl
10:56 < Mercster> when i said "kinda" i meant im hot, but not a chick
10:57 <@aestetix> pics
10:57 <@Corydon76-dig> Mercster: pics or shens
10:57 <@Catonic> aestetix: suprise sex, with a brick!
10:57 <@aestetix> Catonic: your idea of surprise sex involves Richard Simmons and a dumpster
10:58 < Mercster> aaaahaha
10:59 <@Catonic> aestetix: I understand the Richard Simmons and dumpster part, but I'm fuzzy on the sex part.
10:59 <@Catonic> 1
10:59 <@aestetix> Catonic: this does not surprise anyone in the channel.
10:59 <@aestetix> Except maybe ware, but that's because you used a word with three syllables.
10:59 < Mercster> Catonic: soon your body will begin to change in beautiful ways
11:00 <@Catonic> 1) you get a dumpster. 2) you stick Richard Simmons in that dumpster 3) you wait for the trash truck to come 4) you make a lot of money 5) you put your dick in a box!
11:00 <@Shadow404> Mercster: yeah, those still havent dropped
11:00 <@Catonic> Shadow404: I love this virgin schtick... it never gets old.
11:01 <@Catonic> t-shirt: No, I will not fix your computer. I no longer have virgin powers.
11:01 <@Shadow404> lawl
11:02 <@Shadow404> aestetix: lawl on the ware inference
11:08 <@Catonic> 2) you put your dick in that box, 3) you get her to look in that box.
11:10  * Corydon76-dig puts his dick in Catonic's box
11:11 <@Catonic> 4) when you're wearing a dick in a box, you can identify a homosexual from six inches away. Because they are trying to put MORE dick in the box than it originally came with.
11:11 < Mercster> swordfight
11:13 <@Corydon76-dig> Not bad looking:  https://twitter.com/account/profile_image/mercster
11:13 <@sdodson> Catonic: WTF is wrong with you that makes you think about this bullshit?
11:13 <@Catonic> I'll go with a jo, I'm better with a longer ranged weapon
11:14 <@Catonic> sdodson: I grew up watching the comedy channel almost four hours a day.
11:14 <@Corydon76-dig> Mercster: you got a purty mouth, boy!
11:14 <@Catonic> and my experiences wearing a Dick In A Box to a club on halloween night
11:15 <@Catonic> I could only get the really slutty girls to look in the box, and the gay guys wanted to wander by and flip the box lid off and onto the floor
11:16 < Mercster> Corydon76-dig: squeal like a pig!
11:17 <@Corydon76-dig> Heh
11:18 <@Catonic> He looks like a gay amish farmer with that beard
11:19 < Mercster> I AM A GAY AMISH FARMER, YOU ASS
11:19 <@I-MOD> you're going against your religion RIGHT NOW!!!
11:20 < Mercster> im heathen amish
11:20 <@I-MOD> the best kind
11:20 <@I-MOD> can you make us some amish friendship bread?
11:21 < Mercster> that's women's work
11:21 <@I-MOD> well, you're a hot chick, right?
11:21 <@I-MOD> :)
11:21 <@Corydon76-dig> Mercster: I believe some of us can make a woman out of you...
11:21 <@Catonic> I-MOD: I made this bread once that made everyone friends...
11:22 <@I-MOD> Catonic, not the same thing, and I very seriously doubt it's amish
11:22 <@Catonic> looked like it had a lot of oregano in it, but it was great
11:22 <@Corydon76-dig> Yeah, that bread is why Catonic is no longer an anal virgin...
11:22 <@Catonic> but it made everyone really hungry, and the anorexics were... conflicted
11:23 <@Catonic> Corydon76-dig: I'm not?
11:24 <@Corydon76-dig> That bread is also why Catonic doesn't remember
11:24 <@Catonic> you know, I'm really fascinated by the concept of virgin birth.
11:24 <@Corydon76-dig> Joseph just had a really tiny dick
11:24 <@Catonic> Because that had to have been a lot of tearing and stretching and couldn't have been pleasant.
11:24 <@Catonic> Hence my belief that god hates women.
11:25 <@Corydon76-dig> God is dead
11:25 <@Catonic> and rightfully so: she cost him a rib, some expensive surgery, and still ruined every damn thing
11:25 <@timoguin> Women hate god?
11:26 <@Catonic> I want to go back to bed.
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11:26  * Catonic passes out in his cup of coffee... warm....
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11:27 <@Catonic> Coming soon to vegas: The Gay Rat Pack
11:27 <@Corydon76-dig> Whaddya mean, soon?
11:28 <@Corydon76-dig> They've been there for years
11:28 <@Corydon76-dig> Cirque du Soleil
11:28 <@nachoguy> Seigfried and Roy
11:28 <@Corydon76-dig> You don't think straight guys are really that flexible, do you?
11:29 <@Catonic> Vegas scares me. The hookers are real, and you have to pay a lot of attention when you're looking for a show because you don't want to find out the girls are really guys
11:29 <@nachoguy> heh
11:29 <@Catonic> Corydon76-dig: Cirque is some crazy shit
11:29 <@aestetix> Wait a second.
11:29 <@aestetix> Mercster: did I go to PhreakNIC with you?
11:29 < Mercster> aestetix: dunno
11:29 <@aestetix> In a car with rattle and timball
11:29 < Mercster> aestetix: yep
11:29 <@Catonic> Is aestetix now just the right amount of gay too?
11:30  * Catonic waves at the cop
11:30 < Mercster> aestetix: were you the longhair or the shorthair? :)
11:30 <@aestetix> long
11:30 < Mercster> aestetix: gotcha, hi :)
11:31 <@Catonic> Corydon76-dig: I've seen some crazy stuff in martial arts classes... straight guys can be pretty flexible
11:32 <@Catonic> but working out and trying to keep your flexibility requires constantly stretching your joints
11:32  * aestetix throws Catonic a shovel
11:32 <@Corydon76-dig> Kinky
11:32 <@aestetix> Catonic: did you see the video of me dancing?
11:32 <@aestetix> That's only after like two months of nonstop stretching.
11:32 <@Catonic> aestetix: no, I didn't.
11:35 < Mercster> time for doc appt
11:35  * Mercster skips away
11:35 <@aestetix> Hmm.
11:35 <@aestetix> If I move to San Francisco, I wonder if I'll start cracking a bunch of gay jokes.
11:36 <@aestetix> Although from what I saw of the city, that reputation is a misnomer.
11:36 <@timoguin> Yer gei.
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11:39 <@Catonic> after last night, reading french literally makes my head hurt.
11:40 <@Catonic> http://dilbert.com/
11:52 < nated0g_wrk> anyway to make multiple pdf's into 1 pdf
11:52 < nated0g_wrk> or import them to a program to make it a doc?
11:52 <@critch> usually not to a easily, but there are some pdf2something apps out there.
11:54 < nated0g_wrk> downloaded something from skywarn but its 32 seperate files
11:56 <@critch> okay, but why do you want it to be a single pdf file?
11:56 <@critch> and is it just text, or is it more than that?
11:59 <@Catonic> nated0g: usually that's done with acrobat
12:00 < nated0g_wrk> i just have the reader
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12:08 <@aestetix> Hoo boy.
12:08 <@aestetix> Governor of Illinois is fucked.
12:12 <@Catonic> So's the Governor of Alaska.
12:14 <@Corydon76-dig> 4 times over
12:16 <@Shadow404> Catonic: wait till i get a hold of that milf
12:17 <@Shadow404> ill turn that nymph into a shadow factory
12:19 <@Evilpig> pretty sure creating more of you would be considered a crime against humanity and should never be attempted
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12:21 <@aestetix> The difference is, I'd love to see videos of the Alaska governor getting fucked
12:23 <@Corydon76-dig> aestetix: only if it was her husband
12:23 <@Corydon76-dig> or wasn't
12:24 <@Corydon76-dig> I'd like to see Ron Jeremy pounding on the Alaska governor
12:24 <@aestetix> I want to see Mario Mario nail her on one side, and Luigi Mario on the other.
12:24 <@Shadow404> i like to see some female on female action with the alaskan governer
12:25 <@timoguin> ew gay.
12:25  * Shadow404 kicks timoguin in the balls
12:25 <@Shadow404> you dont need those
12:25 <@aestetix> I don't think he has any.
12:25 <@Shadow404> aestetix: nah he does, but he has to get scientist of an electron microscope to locate them
12:26 <@timoguin> No, I don't need them.
12:26 <@timoguin> They only get em preggers.
12:26 <@Shadow404> your balls get pregger?
12:26 <@coil> incorrect
12:26 <@Corydon76-dig> timoguin: Aw, but they're delightful to suck on
12:26 <@coil> tim learn more about your balls
12:27 <@aestetix> I love it when my balls get sucked on.
12:27 <@timoguin> coil: you learn more about my balls.
12:27  * Corydon76-dig handles more cock than Frank Perdue
12:27 <@Shadow404> aestetix: nah, mine are to sensitive for that
12:28  * Shadow404 's eyes are burning after Corydon76-dig's comment
12:28 <@aestetix> Shadow404: out of jealousy?
12:28 <@Corydon76-dig> Shadow404: wasn't that good?
12:28 <@Shadow404> Corydon76-dig: funny, but disturbing
12:30 <@Corydon76-dig> That's only because you know who Frank Perdue is.  If I said I handled more cock than John Tyson, you probably wouldn't understand
12:30 <@Shadow404> i'd google the name of course
12:34 <@Drag0n> chicken distributors
12:34 <@Drag0n> tysons and perdue, fertile companies
12:34 <@Catonic_lp> goddamn my coworker is stupid
12:34 <@Drag0n> they get more chicks every year than any one else
12:35 <@Catonic_lp> he wrote a document... "goto http://$url... MUST use http://"...
12:35 <@Catonic_lp> lmfao... shadow factory... nice.
12:41 <@Shadow404> Catonic_lp: tell that co-worker to diaf
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13:10 <@polerin> nice.
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13:18 < eryc> http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2008/12/popular_science_popular_m.html
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13:22 < Mercster> finally fucking fast
13:27 < nated0g_wrk> nice net split
13:30 <@coil> twice
13:35 <@Dolemite> Jesus, it's raining the entire damn animal shelter out there.
13:37 <@Shadow404> so its raining pussy?
13:37 <@I-MOD> lots of it, apparently
13:37  * I-MOD drives to nashville really quick
13:37 <@Dolemite> pussy, dog, ferret, snake, you name it
13:37 <@I-MOD> </lie>
13:38 <@Shadow404> gonna start here soon
13:38 <@Shadow404> atmospheric pressure is building
13:44 < nated0g_wrk> no Shadow404 you cannot get laid from rain
13:46 < nated0g_wrk> from lr to nashville line of showers
13:48 < nated0g_wrk> line of snow from tx to illinois
13:49 < eryc> http://www.boingboing.net/images/x_2008/youwouldntbuyour.jpg
13:49 <@coil> hahahahaah
13:54 <@Dagmar> eryc: Good catch
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14:10 <@critch> hmm, why can an app show using 2.6gig virtual memory and yet, not even 1.2gig of ram is being used?
14:17 < nated0g_wrk> so i want to learn a programming language...what is something i could get into?
14:18 <@I-MOD> D! learn D!
14:19 <@Shadow404> basic
14:20 < nated0g_wrk> is java too involved?
14:20 <@critch> java sucks major ass
14:21 <@critch> I recently learned how to make java my bitch by commanding it with ruby
14:21 <@I-MOD> nice
14:22 < eryc> groovy
14:22 < eryc> get netbeans 6.5 and make a grails app
14:33 <@critch> nated0g_wrk: understand this as a preference, and therefore not much better than any other opinion.
14:33 < nated0g_wrk> just wanted to see what others did
14:33 < nated0g_wrk> might want to learn basic or c first
14:33 <@critch> ruby has a lot of really good object oriented examples to get you started down a good idea of seperating your concerns out to the objects and maintaining APIs.
14:33 <@critch> what is your intended use right now?
14:34 <@aestetix> vagina
14:34 <@critch> if you are working with specific code bases, learning that language is a good idea. if you are wanting to learn in general, then the right language will set the tone on how you view all others.
14:35 < nated0g_wrk> just something to play with
14:36 < eryc> vagina?
14:36 < nated0g_wrk> in a environment right now and i need something to learn to kill time with
14:36 <@critch> define play, make apps or games or what?
14:36 < nated0g_wrk> no a programming language
14:36 < nated0g_wrk> maybe a app for work
14:37 < eryc> go get netbeans
14:37 < nated0g_wrk> i dont know just feel like i should do something
14:37 < eryc> you can make a webapp in 2 minutes
14:37 <@critch> okay, what does work use?
14:37 <@critch> eryc: netbeans means java, java is the suck
14:37 < eryc> no moron
14:37 < eryc> netbeans does all sorts of shit
14:37 < nated0g_wrk> nothing. its mostly using telnet
14:37 <@critch> eryc: what is it written in?
14:38 < nated0g_wrk> i work for a ISP and have to log into routers
14:38 < eryc> it does php even
14:38 < eryc> java 1.6 is pretty snappy
14:38 < eryc> dont be a hater
14:39 <@critch> eryc: I didn't complain about the speed. Java is overly verbose and is shit when you want to get stuff done.
14:39 < eryc> i dont code java either
14:39 < eryc> groovy is alot more fun
14:39 <@critch> that is the reason why I am using ruby with a java bridge to get away from the crap java wants you to type.
14:39 < eryc> try groovy, its the same idea
14:40 < eryc> its like ruby+python+perl frontend to java
14:40 <@critch> I have looked at groovy. There is a groovy console in hyperic that I use.
14:41 < nated0g_wrk> or maybe ill just start smoking crack at work. damnit they just started a drug free environment!
14:42 <@critch> nated0g_wrk: ruby, groovy, and I think perl all support nice interactive environments. Makes testing if what you think will work does without writting the app and running it through to that point to check it.
14:42 <@critch> I'm sure other languages do as well.
14:43 <@critch> You would probably do well with a scripted language instead of a compiled one for early learning. The compile then run is a annoyance.
14:44 < nated0g_wrk> what is ruby based off?
14:44 <@nachoguy> nated0g_wrk  for cicso stuff, perl is both quick and dirty, and has modules for that sort of thing
14:44 < eryc> go net::telnet::cisco go!
14:44 <@critch> They say ruby is based off of smalltalk and some other stuff, but basically it is just another object oriented language
14:44 <@Dagmar> Perl FTW for that because there's a CPAN module for just baout bloody everything.
14:46 <@nachoguy> if you're not doing pretty web frameworks, perl woud be my choice.  if you want pretty web front end stuff, cakephp or RoR
14:46 <@critch> nated0g_wrk: see, ruby is really good for stuff other than web frameworks. RoR does get a lot of attention though.
14:47 <@nachoguy> I'm biased against RoR, but I hear ruby is a fairly nice starter language.
14:47 < nated0g_wrk> im doing a quick tutorial on ruby.org
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14:48 <@critch> Ruby has some features that I really like, opening up an object and adding methods to it is really nice.
14:48 <@Corydon76-dig> nated0g_wrk: I'd still do Perl, even for web frameworks.  RoR is one of the main perpetrators of all the awful XSS mess out there
14:49 <@critch> Corydon76-dig: is it the fault of RoR or the developers of sites on RoR?
14:49 <@Corydon76-dig> critch: it's the fault of the developers of the frameworks
14:49 <@critch> Corydon76-dig: that will need further explination
14:50 <@Corydon76-dig> critch: inadequate documentation, mainly
14:50 <@nachoguy> At somepoint, I recommend trying perl.  It doesn't have to be the first language, or something you get super proficcient with, but (at least for me), it does warp your mind a bit once you get the hang of using it.
14:50 <@critch> nachoguy: I will second that, and for the reason that so many system apps are written in perl
14:51 <@nachoguy> Corydon, I wouldn't say perl != web frameworks, Mason and catalyst are quite nice; they are not, however, something you want to start with
14:51 <@Corydon76-dig> critch: the problem is that the intended use of these frameworks is to use them together, and the typical problem is that they get connected in various insecure ways
14:51 <@Corydon76-dig> So, yes, I place the blame on the developers of the frameworks
14:51 <@critch> Corydon76-dig: I'm sorry I disagree there, the frameworks shouldn't impose security. It is the developers using the frameworks that are doing stupid stuff right now.
14:51 <@nachoguy> critch, indeed, perl is the glue that holds many things together.
14:52 <@Dagmar> Gee...
14:52 <@Dagmar> How many times have people carped at me about not using perl -Tw
14:52 <@Dagmar> Fuck those people anyway'
14:52 <@nachoguy> "-T" ?
14:52 <@Corydon76-dig> critch: but if the developers made the limitations more clear in documentation, rather than just the skeleton "here's how you put this framework up on your site", then that would go a long ways towards eliminating those holes
14:53 <@nachoguy> ahh, taint
14:53 <@Dagmar> Yeah, if it's one thing I'm anal about it's taint checks.
14:53 <@Corydon76-dig> The point of a framework is not NEEDING to know everything about the framework, but to provide a service
14:53 <@nachoguy> Dagmar, pun-tastic =>
14:53 <@critch> Corydon76-dig: limitation? wouldn't XSS be from not sanitizing input?
14:54 <@Corydon76-dig> and by not documenting your framework properly, you eliminate the whole point of having a framework (now people MUST learn how it works, so as to eliminate holes with putting two frameworks together)
14:54 <@Dagmar> How so?
14:54 <@Dagmar> XSS isn't an input sanitization problem.  It's a mental deficiency.
14:54 <@aestetix> Corydon76-dig: agreed.
14:55 <@Dagmar> Yer input is *fine*.  It's where the input is coming from that's evil.
14:55 <@Dagmar> Corydon assumes that most programmers read documentation.
14:56 <@Dagmar> or, more specifically "web programmers"
14:56 <@aestetix> As opposed to "hard programmers"?
14:56 <@Dagmar> I submit that possibly this theory fails in the face of overwhelming evidence that these people are idiots.
14:56 <@Corydon76-dig> Dagmar: I'm familiar with crappy documentation, where even experienced people accidently set up holes, because the framework developer was an idiot
14:56 <@aestetix> Dagmar: reminds me of the rule: 10% of your time is spent writing the program, 90% is spent making it idiot proof
14:57 <@Corydon76-dig> It's why that even now, I tend to write web apps from the ground up, without a framework at all
14:57 <@nachoguy> Aestetix, there is a difference
14:57 <@Dagmar> aestetix: This is why I get pissed about people using code I've made clear is for "responsible developers only" when I've spent 50+ hours wrigin it.
14:57 <@Dagmar> s/wrigin/writing/;
14:57 <@Corydon76-dig> And people reviewing my code have characterized it as "paranoid"
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14:57 <@nachoguy> that's becuase you had the time to do it right
14:57 <@aestetix> Corydon76-dig: paranoid?
14:57 <@aestetix> Ahh. Yes.
14:57 <@Dagmar> Generally ie means I'm going to spend 500+ hours answering lame questions about it from people too slow to type `grep "^##" filename`
14:58 <@aestetix> I have now written basically three "complex" web applications, I didn't use a framework for either of them.
14:58 <@aestetix> Er, any.
14:58 <@aestetix> Soon to be working on a fourth.
14:58 <@aestetix> On the other hand, I have code *I* have written previously, which, while it might need to be rewritten in some parts, is relatively error-free.
14:59 <@Corydon76-dig> nachoguy: I care enough that it's secure the FIRST time, which saves us from dealing with a ton of problems later
14:59 <@nachoguy> Aestetix, for you, that's good.  If however there is a standard framework that is well documented, thet keeps the spin up time of another dev to a minimum
14:59 <@Corydon76-dig> My interfaces aren't always pretty, but they are secure.
15:00 <@aestetix> nachoguy: well, yeah.
15:00 <@nachoguy> Corydon, I was just implying that you don't get people screaming at you that they need things yesterday.  I'm called in to be the QaD cowboy at times
15:00 <@aestetix> nachoguy: I'm not talking about reinventing the wheel.
15:00 <@nachoguy> Corydon, that's what I like to see/hear/use
15:01 <@Corydon76-dig> aestetix: the 'paranoid' comment was actually for some PHP code, where I was using someone else's framework.
15:01 < nated0g_wrk> i just got a email from a coworker. her son is in the navy aboard the uss george hw bush....how in the hell did he get a ship named after him
15:01 <@aestetix> nachoguy: and in some cases, using frameworks is awesome. I use jquery for a lot of stuff.
15:01 <@Corydon76-dig> nated0g_wrk: that's 41, not 43
15:01 <@Dagmar> nated0g: That's his dada
15:02 < nated0g_wrk> i know thats why i said HW
15:02 < nated0g_wrk> but he was a 1 term president
15:02 <@Corydon76-dig> His father was actually a pretty intelligent guy
15:02 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-dig: Sounds perfectly reasonable to do extra checks in that case.  You've no way of knowing if the other people are going to drop checks they were doing, if they were ever doing them at all
15:02 <@Corydon76-dig> Dagmar: in that one case, Mike Chaney wrote the framework
15:02 <@Dagmar> His dad actually pulled off a unique thing... Went from being hte head of the secret police to the head of the executive branch without people calling it a "coup".
15:03 <@Dagmar> ...and now that we've had his son in office, we know that the elder BUsh wasn't actually _that_ bad
15:03 < nated0g_wrk> was he the director of the CIA?
15:03 <@Dagmar> Like, he was a totalitarian of the pastel and daisies variety compared to his sone
15:03 <@Dagmar> s/sone/son/;
15:03 <@Corydon76-dig> and the guy who called my code "paranoid" was Rick Bradley
15:03 < nated0g_wrk> he makes quayle look like a genius
15:06 <@aestetix> What does "paranoid" mean?
15:07 < nated0g_wrk> isnt that a song?
15:07 <@nachoguy> "I think I'm paranoid" - Garbage
15:09 <@aestetix> http://www.forcedentryrecords.com/120408lsdcheesecake.jpg
15:09 <@aestetix> The best part is that this is laced with acid
15:10 <@Corydon76-dig> aestetix: it means I checked for possibilities that he never considered could ever be a problem.
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15:20 <@Dagmar> Hmm..
15:20 <@Dagmar> Major split action toay
15:22 <+SmthingPrductive>  /just/ got a global notice on my dumb terminal "One of our client servers is having some connectivity problems"
15:23 <@polerin> no kidding
15:23 <@polerin> and it's freaked out
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15:23 <@polerin> making life difficult at work
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15:27 < nated0g_wrk> need more caffeine
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17:17 <@nachoguy> so, ball park for me is AIX as differnt as BSD is to linux, or is it more like plan9 is to linux?
17:21 <@aestetix> hahaha
17:21 <@aestetix> I love the daily show
17:21 <@aestetix> bush/obama as goofus and gallant
17:26 <@Dagmar> AIX: More like sodomy is to Linux
17:28 <@nachoguy> fair enough.  I was looking at a job posting and it mentioned "some AIX or unix experience" and I thought it sounded general enough I could get by.  they later mentioned LPARs and WPARs (stuff for how AIX does virtual machines), so I'm passing
17:29 <@sdodson> Dagmar: ANALogy fail
17:30 <@sdodson> oh wait theres more in backscrollz
17:30 <@aestetix> www.stdmatch.net
17:37 <@mtown_nerd> lol aestetix
17:37 <@mtown_nerd> Nice
17:39 <@aestetix> mtown_nerd: hiding something from the channel?
17:40 <@mtown_nerd> wut? :o
17:40 <@mtown_nerd> noep!
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19:12 <@Dagmar> God help me
19:12 <@Dagmar> the Science channel is doing a story on how doughnuts are made
19:15 <@Drag0n> well, its a mistery what they do with the holes
19:20 <@Dagmar> Perhaps if you are high alot
19:20 <@tzanger> did they show the cock they stick through the dough to make the donut?
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19:20 <@Drag0n> i thought that was only how they stored em
19:21 <@tzanger> that's a different cock
19:21 <@tzanger> you see you need a hard cock to punch, but the cock to hang doesn't have to be as hard
19:22 <@aestetix> tzanger: your cock is small enough to make a donut hole?
19:22 <@tzanger> only if we are talking big donuts
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19:41 < Falun|home> any of you guys do much webdev?
19:43 <@Dagmar> As.  Little.  As.  Possible.
19:46 < Falun|home> hrm, any chance you've dealt with controlling cookie transmission? specifically I'm trying to keep a cookie from getting transmitted over HTTP but I want access to it from non secure pages (so 'secure cookies' don't really work)
19:47 <@Dagmar> You don't get that option, actually.
19:47 <@Dagmar> Check the cookie specs
19:49 < Falun|home> was mostly hoping there was some contrived way to make it work
19:49 <@Dagmar> If you don't want a cookie sent somewhere, don't send it
19:50 < Falun|home> send it or set it?
19:50 <@Dagmar> You're sending the cookie from the server to the browser.
19:50 <@Dagmar> You might want to think these things through before you type them
19:50 < Falun|home> I'm more concerned about cookies that get sent from browser to server
19:51 <@Dagmar> If you trust those you're an idiot.
19:51 < Falun|home> that's the point
19:51 < Falun|home> I'm trying to come up with some way to make those secure
19:52 <@Dagmar> That's easy then.  Don't send a cookie, send a session token and keep all the sekrit stuff server-side.
19:52 <@Dagmar> If that doesn't work for you, you need to diagram what you're trying to do to see the impossibility of what you're wanting.
19:55 <@Dagmar> Now, under normal circumstances your cookie can't be accessed by say "foo.evildoers.org", but if you're expecting the cookie to somehow be protected from both your own site and the user controlling the browser, you're wanting the impossible
19:56 < Falun|home> ohh
19:56 < Falun|home> no, I'm wanting to protect the cookie from an eavesdropper
19:56 <@Dagmar> https then
19:56 <@Dagmar> It's your only rational option
19:56 < Falun|home> i know, but most things don't use https-only navigation for performance reasons
19:57 < Falun|home> so I'm trying to finde some way to keep http performance with secured cookies
19:58 < Falun|home> which may very well be impossible as well
19:59 <@Dagmar> Without https, there is no "secured" cookies from eavesdropping
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20:43 <@NotLarry> Dolemite you here?
20:48 <@jb7od> hi nl.
20:55 <@NotLarry> hey
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21:50 <@aestetix> Wow.
21:50 <@aestetix> In six months, I will have had my first domain name for 11 years.
22:01 <@scort> hi anyone in al get blown away by tornadoes?
22:02 <@mtown_nerd> :o
22:15 <@dasunt> aestetix: In another 7, it'll be legal.
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22:15  * dasunt makes plans to sexxor up aestetix's domain name.
22:53 <@sdodson> HI!
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22:58 <@rhia> dasunt: 7 ... what? lightyears? parsecs? bribes?
22:58 <@sdodson> rhia: nipples
22:59 <@rhia> 7 nipples?  6 plus belly button?
22:59 <@dasunt> 7 nipples?
22:59 <@dasunt> That's 5 two much.
22:59 <@dasunt> Er, too much.
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23:00 <@rhia> dasunt: unless you're a member of the feline overload conspiracy
23:01 <@dasunt> What do cats normally have?  6?  Or 8?
23:01 <@rhia> sleet & fricking snow flurries in Dallas ... BS
23:01 <@dasunt> rhia: HA HA!
23:01 <@dasunt> WELCOME TO WINTER!@
23:02 <@rhia> in TX? ....  BS
23:02 <@rhia> dasunt: 6 to 8, btw
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23:03 <@rhia> depending on breed and inbreeding
23:03 <@rhia> dasunt: it's Dallas - it was nearly 70 Yesterday .... God is gambling again
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23:04  * rhia goes to snuggle a nice warm Drag0n 
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23:05 <@dasunt> rhia: God hates Texas.
23:06 <@rhia> dasunt: don't tell the GOP
23:06 <@scort> rhia, we got a very little sleet
23:06 <@scort> and it was 80F here yesterday
23:07 <@rhia> scort: ... SA?
23:07 <@scort> ya
23:08 <@rhia> flurries, no 'real' snow, but..... it was 70+ yesterday.... damn TX
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23:08 <@dasunt> rhia: God hates the GOP.  Look at the last election.
23:08 <@rhia> dasunt: so Gawd does have some brains <g>
23:09 <@rhia> i wanna move back to the east coast ... Anyone need a network engineer?
23:10 <@sdodson> http://buffalobeast.com/133/bigthree.jpg
23:10 <@scort> seen it dont need to click on it
23:11 <@scort> HAH I WAS RIGHT
23:11 <@rhia> sdodson: you guy's need a network tech?
23:11 <@sdodson> rhia: why?
23:12 <@rhia> sdodson: Drag0n needs a job ...and we want to get back east
23:12 <@Catonic> dasunt: you drink?
23:12 <@sdodson> I think they just hired another network person. We've only got like three network people worldwide.
23:12  * sdodson looks
23:12 <@rhia> sdodson: fire one <g>
23:13 <@dasunt> Catonic: Drink?
23:13 <@dasunt> LIKE A FUCKING FISH!
23:13 <@rhia> Catonic: scroll IRC ..... magic 8 ball says "most probably"
23:14 <@sdodson> rhia: Communications Engineer (Telephony) - Farnborough - UK is the closest I see.
23:14 <@sdodson> https://redhat.ats.hrsmart.com/cgi-bin/a/highlightjob.cgi?jobid=3768
23:14 <@rhia> UK?... that's a bit further east than we were looking... but, thanks anyway
23:15 <@rhia> anywhich, Drag0n snuggle time ... night
23:15 <@sdodson> That one is for a seucirty position
23:16 <@sdodson> "Successful candidates will posses experience in several of the following technologies: Nessus, PGP / GnuPG, IDS/IPS, PKI / CA administration, Kerberos, WEP, WPA, IPSec / SSL based VPNs, Perl / Bash scripting, Forensic Analysis tools (TCT, Farmers Boot CD)"
23:18 <@rhia> sdodson: NP on the experience, but the UK is a bit of a relocation ... they pay to relocate?
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23:19 <@Catonic_lp> rhia: I know there's a 90 % chance of getting the answer I already know
23:20 <@Catonic_lp> rhia: I would hang it up on relocation at this time
23:20 <@Catonic_lp> I'd just settle for having a job that pays the bills in a stable working environment
23:20 <@Catonic_lp> but no one pulled my string and asked me to talk.
23:22 <@sdodson> Red Hat will relocate if they want you.
23:22 <@rhia> Catonic: relocation to Britain, yes, i'll ask for - to Atl, not so much
23:22 <@sdodson> They won't relocate you to the UK though.
23:22 <@rhia> sdodson: i'll pass the word, thanks ..
23:22 <@rhia> sdodson: ???
23:23 <@rhia> is overseas, a bit much to pack from here
23:23 <@Catonic_lp> I prefer to set goals I can achieve. Like getting drunk. And not falling asleep in a ditch.
23:23 <@rhia> anywhich, long past ZZZZzzzzzzzzz and snuggle time ... g'night
23:24 <@rhia> Catonic: good for your, keep up the exemplary good works
23:27 <@Catonic_lp> I just realized... I'm one of few people who is qualified to give a class on self-improvement at phreaknic
23:32 <@dasunt> I'm qualified.
23:32 <@dasunt> "Don't get married.  Seriously.  The end."
23:39 <+SmthingPrductive> hmm... my Comcast residential in Gwinnett county (Atlanta) GA is failing at 11  po-1-ar02.nashville.tn.nash.comcast.net (68.85.232.122)  21.189 ms  22.824 ms  20.643 ms
23:48 <@Catonic> I've seen the pipes on the routers at Gwinnett for Charter..
23:48 <@Catonic> I've never seen a DS3 at 99% capcity.
23:49 <@Catonic> until then.
23:50 <@sdodson> Man catonic really has the shatner dramatic pause down.
23:52 <@Catonic> I've seen c-beams glittering....
23:52 <+SmthingPrductive> heh wow
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