--- Log opened Wed Nov 12 00:00:40 2008 00:04 <@Evilpig> is there anything special to getting openvpn to autostart a server when the machine boots? 00:06 < dasunt> If you want, there are the run-as-a-service XP/2k3/2000? tools. 00:07 <@Evilpig> I have the server running on my fedora box. just want to make sure it will all restart in case of a reboot, etc 00:07 <@Evilpig> I am sure it is easy I was just asking if anyone knew off hand 00:07 <@Evilpig> I ahve the client side working perfectly now 00:08 <@Evilpig> but for now, sleep. must try and rest 00:08 <@Evilpig> later 00:30 < dasunt> Oh god. 00:30 < dasunt> I'm so fucked up. 00:30 < dasunt> Current drunk task: Trying to figure out if the Swedish "brytas" is related to the modern English "crumples". 00:32 <@aestetix> dasunt: you need to get laid. 00:32 * aestetix needs to sober up 00:34 < dasunt> aestetix: Perhaps. 00:34 < dasunt> Although, with my luck, my partner would just fuck me over, leaving me more bitter. 00:36 <@aestetix> At least you get pussy. 00:38 < dasunt> I think any first dates I'm on should involve meeting my paternal half of my family. 00:38 < dasunt> I can point to a certain family member and say "that's basically me" and see if they run screaming. 00:41 <@aestetix> Um. 00:41 < dasunt> I know. 00:41 <@aestetix> You know, most people reserve that for a little later on. 00:41 < dasunt> I'm sick of the games. 00:41 * dasunt ponders. 00:42 < dasunt> You know, in some IRC channel, at this instance, there's a drunk sexy geek chick bitching about how men end up being so fucked in the head and wondering why she can't meet them before they get screwed up. 00:45 -!- jnds [n=ljugo@adsl-217-149-188.owb.bellsouth.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:46 -!- Neoteric [n=timball@c-98-233-94-192.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 00:46 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Neoteric] by ChanServ 00:46 < dasunt> I'm pissed at the moment. 00:46 < dasunt> Alcohol isn't a good painkiller anymore. 00:46 < dasunt> Not talking about emotion pain either. 00:46 <@scort> lol 00:46 <@scort> duh cuz you drink like a fucking fish you dumb fuck 00:47 < dasunt> :( 00:47 < dasunt> I'm serious. 00:47 <+Peaches84> night 00:47 < dasunt> I think the metal plate holding my right wrist together isn't doing its job anymore. 00:48 <@scort> im serious too 00:49 <@scort> get some drugs from the dr 00:49 <@scort> then combine that with your alcohol 00:49 <@scort> that will kill the pain likke when you first started drinking 00:50 <@scort> then one day you'll neve wake up 00:50 < dasunt> scort: I dunno if the doctors up here give out opiates like candy. 00:50 <@scort> from over dose. 00:50 < dasunt> My TN doctor did. 00:51 < dasunt> I'm not trying to trivialize death, but overdose doesn't sound so bad. 00:51 < dasunt> This shit is getting old. 00:51 < dasunt> I should be able to twist a key without pain. 00:56 -!- jnds [n=ljugo@adsl-217-149-188.owb.bellsouth.net] has joined #se2600 01:03 -!- Neoteric [n=timball@c-98-233-94-192.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 02:07 -!- Gatewayy [n=gatewayy@unaffiliated/gatewayy] has joined #se2600 02:58 -!- TheLightcosine [i=0c1314c9@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-bb5d8ae2e96992c1] has joined #se2600 03:09 -!- Cinotac [n=cinotac@adsl-068-209-203-168.sip.hsv.bellsouth.net] has joined #se2600 03:11 -!- Catonic_lp [n=cinotac@60-24.9-67.bham.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:26 -!- arafatm [n=arafatm@c-69-245-46-249.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:30 -!- emwav [n=me@cpe-066-057-126-036.nc.res.rr.com] has quit [] 06:39 -!- someninjamaster is now known as someninjalearnin 08:03 -!- M0j0-j0j0 [n=Mojo_Joj@rrcs-70-62-123-52.midsouth.biz.rr.com] has joined #se2600 08:03 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o M0j0-j0j0] by ChanServ 08:03 -!- Neoteric [n=timball@c-98-233-94-192.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 08:03 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Neoteric] by ChanServ 08:04 <@M0j0-j0j0> what's so good about it 08:25 -!- Curbob [n=curbob@12.51.122.35] has joined #se2600 08:29 < TheLightcosine> ? 08:36 * SmthingPrductive postulates you don't know how good "doing it" is until you /aren't/ "doing it" :-/ 08:41 <@I-MOD> nah 08:42 <@I-MOD> i'm not "doing it" right now, but i have no idea how good "doing it" is 08:53 -!- arafatm [n=arafatm@c-69-245-46-249.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 08:53 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o arafatm] by ChanServ 08:58 -!- remoford [n=remoford@c-68-52-72-214.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 08:58 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o remoford] by ChanServ 09:05 -!- rattle [n=rattle@tor/regular/rattle] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 09:08 <@brimstone> I however have been "doing it" several times today, some times better then others 09:13 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez! 09:16 < TheLightcosine> morning dole 09:19 < nated0g_wrk> morning Dolemite 09:19 -!- RyanHouse [n=RHouse@72.54.131.86] has joined #se2600 09:19 -!- RyanHouse [n=RHouse@72.54.131.86] has left #se2600 [] 09:21 -!- nated0g_wrk [i=nated0g@river191.bigriver.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 09:22 -!- freakn [i=freakn@silenceisdefeat.org] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 09:23 -!- sasquatc4 [i=sasquatc@76.25.86.246] has quit [] 09:35 -!- RJH00 [n=RHouse@72.54.131.86] has joined #se2600 09:40 -!- nated0g_wrk [i=nated0g@river191.bigriver.net] has joined #se2600 09:40 -!- GodFix [n=GodFix@93.sub-75-251-33.myvzw.com] has joined #se2600 09:40 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o GodFix] by ChanServ 09:41 <@GodFix> chchchchchchcheck 09:43 -!- RJH00 is now known as RJH00_BUSY 09:46 -!- rattle [n=rattle@tor/regular/rattle] has joined #se2600 09:47 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o rattle] by ChanServ 09:50 <@M0j0-j0j0> GodFix: chick? 09:51 <@GodFix> check 09:51 <@GodFix> testing my mobile irc client 09:52 -!- nachoguy [i=boster@ivan.dreamhost.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:53 <@Dolemite> Heh, you gotta love system admins trying to pretend that they know CIDR notation. 09:53 < TheLightcosine> oh? 09:53 <@Dolemite> A subnet mask of 255.255.252.0 != /25 09:53 <@Shadow404> bahaha 09:54 <@Dolemite> It's a /22 09:54 < TheLightcosine> hah 09:54 <@Shadow404> i lawled 09:54 < TheLightcosine> hrm a /25 would be what.. 09:55 < TheLightcosine> 255.255.255.128? 09:55 <@Dolemite> So their request to set a port to the VLAN for 10.1.128.0/25 got bounced back, as there is no such animal. 09:55 <@Dolemite> Yeah 09:56 < TheLightcosine> what i don't get is i remember seeing something on sprintlink about "/32 network segments" 09:56 < TheLightcosine> i was like WTF? 09:56 < TheLightcosine> a network of one node? 09:56 <@I-MOD> not even that :/ 09:56 <@I-MOD> the only IPs are network addresses 09:57 < TheLightcosine> i still don't get it heh 09:57 <@I-MOD> maybe they were talking about ipv6? 09:57 < TheLightcosine> could be 09:57 < TheLightcosine> i have to admit, i was way out of my depth in the stuff i was looking at 09:57 < TheLightcosine> like the time i tried to read the RFC for CIDR 09:57 < TheLightcosine> after page 6 my heard started to hurt a bit 09:57 < nated0g_wrk> what up Shadow404 09:57 < nated0g_wrk> i got a ham HT 10:00 -!- RJH00_BUSY [n=RHouse@72.54.131.86] has left #se2600 [] 10:05 <+SmthingPrductive> got a ham license? 10:06 < nated0g_wrk> yes 10:06 * SmthingPrductive needs to get an antenna up on the roof of my office... no reception inside 10:06 < nated0g_wrk> do you have a HT? 10:06 <+SmthingPrductive> yup. piece of junk Quansheng 2m 10:06 -!- GodFix [n=GodFix@93.sub-75-251-33.myvzw.com] has quit [] 10:07 < nated0g_wrk> get a mobile magnet mount 10:07 -!- Neoteric [n=timball@c-98-233-94-192.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 10:07 < nated0g_wrk> and put it on a metal cabinet or even a cookie sheet 10:07 <+SmthingPrductive> I have a couple mobile Alinco 2m mobile rigs... one in my car and one at home. 10:08 <+SmthingPrductive> it's not the antenna so much as it is the building 10:08 < nated0g_wrk> my office sucks as well. 10:08 < nated0g_wrk> im also only throwing 5watts on high 10:08 <+SmthingPrductive> same here 10:09 <+SmthingPrductive> but it wouldn't be a problem for me to put an antenna on our roof ;) 10:09 < nated0g_wrk> cool 10:09 <+SmthingPrductive> They're so used to me having a ladder up and doing stuff that they don't even turn a cheek anymore when I'm doing something 10:10 <+SmthingPrductive> was mounting monitors above the door in my former office... nobody knew it for like a week, even though they walked by plenty of times and saw me on the ladder in my doorway ;) 10:10 -!- RJH00 [n=RHouse@72.54.131.86] has joined #se2600 10:11 * SmthingPrductive pulls up google maps to get a satellite shot of our roof 10:11 <+SmthingPrductive> ahh... the classic "worked yesterday and I didn't change anything" conundrum... helpdesk-- 10:15 < nated0g_wrk> i call BS on that one SmthingPrductive 10:16 <+SmthingPrductive> ya think? 10:16 <+SmthingPrductive> ;) 10:16 < nated0g_wrk> help desk monkey too 10:17 <+SmthingPrductive> we have one customer whose contract states they will provide tier-1 helpdesk and escalate tier-2 to us... umm, it's not working ;) 10:18 < nated0g_wrk> what kind of support do you provide? 10:18 <@rhia> yes it is, their tier one simply gives them your phone number 10:18 <+SmthingPrductive> we do library automation software... usually has to do with in-database changes or functionality questions 10:18 <+SmthingPrductive> "why does it do this", etc... 10:19 < nated0g_wrk> our level 1 tells customers that we will contact them in the am 10:20 <+SmthingPrductive> heh 10:21 < nated0g_wrk> we are a small ISP. 3000ish customers 10:21 <+SmthingPrductive> we have "authorized" contacts... day one, I got about 15 e-mails from somebody who wasn't an "authorized contact" and was doing almost all tier-1(ish) inquiries... Went to the head honcho there about it, and instead of correcting him they added him as an authorized contact :-/ 10:21 <+SmthingPrductive> oh well, at least I don't have to /find/ work to do now ;) 10:22 < nated0g_wrk> and today is free popcorn day 10:22 <+SmthingPrductive> oh yeah? 10:23 < nated0g_wrk> oh yeah! 10:24 < nated0g_wrk> what license do you hold for ham operator SmthingPrductive ? 10:24 <+SmthingPrductive> AF4H... or Extra... depends on what you're asking ;) 10:25 < nated0g_wrk> im a general license kj4gzb 10:25 < nated0g_wrk> taking a class in jan for extra 10:25 < nated0g_wrk> hopefully i will pass 10:25 <+SmthingPrductive> cool! 10:25 <+SmthingPrductive> what was it... hamtestonline or somesuch I used? really helpful (and not too pricy) 10:26 < nated0g_wrk> i read study guides out the wazoo 10:27 < nated0g_wrk> did practice test from qrz and eham.net 10:27 < nated0g_wrk> but extra study guide hasnt been released yet and i dont like reading the answer pool for answers 10:28 <+SmthingPrductive> I did a couple... hto was like a cross between qrz and a study guide... It has the basic Q&A, then a summary of what it means/how it's done 10:28 -!- RJH00 is now known as RJH00_WORK 10:45 -!- Dementia [n=sara@maxiez.com] has joined #se2600 10:45 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Dementia] by ChanServ 10:50 -!- C-P [n=HappyDan@ip65-46-14-94.z14-46-65.customer.algx.net] has joined #se2600 10:50 <@brimstone> anyone know of a good tcp proxy? 10:51 <@brimstone> basically a userland app that listens on a port and connects to another host for every connection it gets? 10:51 <@brimstone> one that has a little logging and so i can know when people stop using the old ip/port ? 10:58 <@Shadow404> i know a good few options, but it will cost ya, call it consultion reimbursement 10:58 <@Shadow404> *consulting 10:58 < TheLightcosine> you could just setup a SOCKS connection 10:58 -!- Neoteric [n=timball@mail.sunlightfoundation.net] has joined #se2600 10:58 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Neoteric] by ChanServ 11:02 <@M0j0-j0j0> obey 11:14 <@brimstone> i found an app, simpleproxy that does it just great 11:15 <@brimstone> one line when people connect, one line when they disconnect 11:21 < RJH00_WORK> http://sourceforge.net/projects/simpleproxy 11:26 -!- RJH00_WORK is now known as RJH00_BRB 11:57 <@polerin> arg. hungry. 11:57 <@polerin> anyone have a preferred winders rss reader? 11:58 <@Evilpig> a/v ppl. hdmi does audio as well? 11:58 < RJH00_BRB> still use toslink 11:58 <@Neoteric> can somone explain to me pg_dumpall? 11:58 < RJH00_BRB> polerin FireFox Sage 11:58 <@Dolemite> Evilpig : yesh 11:58 <@polerin> Evilpig: yes it does 11:58 <@polerin> Evilpig: it is DVI + digital audio 11:59 <@Neoteric> forinstance why is it when I run "pg_dumpall" does it give me errors? and I thought root had the perms it needed re: "pg_dumpall: query failed: ERROR: permission denied for relation pg_authid" 11:59 < RJH00_BRB> its DVI + Audio + EVIL Content Scrambling 11:59 <@Evilpig> nice. I need to call my grandmother and see if her dvd and satelite have hdmi. if they do I will send her two cables then move the fiber from the satelite to the tv. so they only have to switch the video input on the tv if they ever want to watch anything 11:59 < RJH00_BRB> only thing I use HDMI for is a Mac Mini with a DVI to HDMI adapter to run 1080p on a big screen 12:00 <@polerin> RJH00_BRB: DVI has content scrambling 12:00 <@Evilpig> they got this massive 60 inch screen and didn't have it really setup. so I was trying to make it easy on them. and the tv only had so many inputs same with the receiver 12:00 <@polerin> RJH00_BRB: it just wasn't wide spread 12:00 < RJH00_BRB> enabled by vendors e.g. Sony PS3 12:01 <@polerin> Evilpig: To be honest if they've got nice speakers, you might want to see if you can run everything through the receiver. 12:01 < RJH00_BRB> 360 elite went same route for HDMI over DVI 12:01 <@Evilpig> the tv has optical sound out of the tv that can go into the receiver 12:01 * RJH00_BRB sigh 12:02 <@polerin> Evilpig: assuming the receiver does DVI/HDMI passthrough 12:02 <@Evilpig> so hdmi from the sat and the dvd to the tv. tv optic to the receiver 12:02 <@polerin> Evilpig: yes, but it's still better to have the receiver do it's thing. one less thing in the chain to freak out 12:02 <@polerin> Evilpig: that's assuming the receiver does digital video passthrough 12:02 <@polerin> if it doesn't, don't worry about it. 12:03 <@Evilpig> the receiver doesn't have video 12:03 <@Evilpig> I looked for that first 12:03 * polerin nods 12:03 <@polerin> that's one of the requirements for any receivers I reccomend 12:03 <@Evilpig> cause I was gonna do component cables if I could have 12:03 <@polerin> because it really does make everything SO much easier 12:04 <@Evilpig> but it's a big nice sony tv so it should be good. just need to call her and make sure it has what I think it does 12:04 <@polerin> I can't speak to audio quality on receivers, but that one feature alone is SO awesome. 12:04 <@Evilpig> might just need to call my uncle and send him over 12:04 <@polerin> probably a good idea. some of those tv's have really bizzare menus 12:04 <@polerin> awesome configuration options, but a pain to get tweaked at times 12:19 <@Dagmar> Mainly I'm just happy my reciever can tune the speakers all by itself. 12:19 <@Dagmar> You just don't want to be around when it does it. 12:39 -!- Irongeek [n=adrian@unaffiliated/irongeek] has joined #se2600 12:39 -!- Irongeek [n=adrian@unaffiliated/irongeek] has left #se2600 [] 12:39 -!- Irongeek [n=adrian@unaffiliated/irongeek] has joined #se2600 12:43 <@Evilpig> I need to get a couch. someone find me a great deal on a leather sofa. a big one. 12:43 <@Evilpig> and if someone can collect my debt from atlanta that should cover it too 12:47 < nated0g_wrk> you need a velvet couch Evilpig 12:47 -!- Irongeek [n=adrian@unaffiliated/irongeek] has quit ["Leaving."] 12:53 -!- C-P [n=HappyDan@ip65-46-14-94.z14-46-65.customer.algx.net] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.3/2008092417]"] 12:53 <@Evilpig> that would be comfy but the fabric would hold alot of dust 12:55 < nated0g_wrk> well it would be soft on your tush when you play games naked in the dark on a friday night 13:00 <@Evilpig> but the dust over time would kill me 13:01 <@Evilpig> how is this company so big they have a class a range? lilly.com ? 13:05 <@rattle> I love it when C-SPAN broadcasts our events.. 13:07 <@Shadow404> Evilpig: i can take care of the debt, i just can guarantee the outcome of the debtee 13:07 <@polerin> I wish I could get cspan, but we're down to limited cable in an attempt to pay off stuff 13:17 <@rattle> Comcast makes you pay extra for cspan down there? That's fucked up.. It's public broadcasting. 13:20 -!- nachoguy [i=boster@ivan.dreamhost.com] has joined #se2600 13:20 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o nachoguy] by ChanServ 13:23 <@polerin> erm 13:23 <@polerin> when I say limited cable, I meen basicly just OTA channels and one or two more 13:23 * Catonic yawns 13:24 <@polerin> and the only reason we've got that is because it's $3 a month cheaper to do that + modem service than it is to do modem service by itself 13:51 -!- Catonic_ [n=catonic@67.9.24.60] has joined #se2600 13:56 -!- BlueCopy [n=BlueCop@71.228.214.58] has joined #se2600 14:02 -!- Catonic [n=catonic@60-24.9-67.bham.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:12 <@polerin> http://www.knoxviews.com/node/9668 14:12 <@polerin> wow 14:12 <@polerin> this guy is a winner. 14:14 <@Shadow404> hell yeah, seems gop is getting to be more fun "roll up" 14:18 <@polerin> seriously, wow. 14:18 <@polerin> freedom and personal responsibility my ass. Freedom as long as you've got the money, responsibility if you don't. 14:19 <@polerin> . HB 0768 by Campfield: Banks and Financial Institutions - Imposes 25 percent tax on money orders and all other such financial instruments purchased by non-US citizens. .... wow. 14:19 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: I think lawmakers who pass unconstitutional legislation should have to pay the full costs of defending the legislation in court. Now there's personal responsibility 14:20 <@polerin> Corydon76-dig: I think that's a bad ass idea. 14:20 <@polerin> how about this one 14:20 <@polerin> . HB 2998 by Campfield: Vital Records - Prohibits registration of a birth certificate for a child of an illegal immigrant mother unless the father is a US citizen and he provides a written agreement for financial support of child until age 18. 14:20 <@Shadow404> woot 14:20 <@Dementia> Jesus, this guy is a real winnar. 14:21 <@Corydon76-dig> That one is demonstrably counter to US policy and would probably be tossed 14:21 <@Dolemite> The child can't help being the product of a wetback! 14:21 <@Shadow404> agreed 14:21 <@Shadow404> i like 2998 14:21 <@Shadow404> imho 14:21 <@polerin> Shadow404: you .. LIKE? 14:21 <@coil> in ur homo opinion 14:21 <@rhia> note how the reciprocal is NOT mentioned in 2998 14:22 <@polerin> you realize that it's contrary to what defines a US citizen right? 14:22 <@Shadow404> heh, true 14:22 <@Dementia> 2999 is fucking ridiculous 14:22 <@Shadow404> illegal immigrant 14:22 <@Dementia> as is 0981 14:22 <@Corydon76-dig> HB 0981 by Campfield: Lottery, Corporation - Prohibits lottery prizes from being given to any person who is on public assistance. 14:22 <@Corydon76-dig> That's complete bullshit. 14:22 <@rhia> Dementia: as are .... pretty much every one of them 14:22 <@Shadow404> 0981 is bs 14:22 <@polerin> Dementia: all of them are rediculous 14:22 <@Corydon76-dig> The people who need educational assistance the most are the ones on public assistance 14:22 <@Dementia> true. 14:23 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: I can agree with 3014 14:23 <@Shadow404> polerin: why is 2998 not good? 14:23 <@polerin> Corydon76-dig: untill a kid grabs the gun out of the desk and shoots someone with it 14:23 <@Dolemite> Shadow404 : You're going to penalize the child for who its parents are. 14:24 <@polerin> Shadow404: not to mention if you're born inside the us, you are a us citizen 14:24 <@polerin> even if BOTH of your parents are illegal 14:24 <@polerin> period 14:24 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: I think protecting people from themselves isn't a legitimate government interest 14:24 <@Shadow404> yes, i dont want mothers coming over here and getting citezenship just cause they knock themselves up and then getting public funding out of my taxes 14:24 <@rhia> HB 0770 another sin tax, gotta luv blue laws legislating morality 14:24 <@polerin> Corydon76-dig: from themselves? 14:24 <@Dementia> Shadow404: are you even reading that? The mother wouldn't gain citizenship either way. 14:25 <@Dolemite> Shadow404 : Then what you want is to remove the clause which gives preferential treatment to immigration request from family members of US citizens. 14:25 <@polerin> Corydon76-dig: I'm talking about a child. or a teenager. who gets a gun. out of a teachers desk. and shoots someone with it 14:25 <@Dolemite> That way if the child is a US citizen it doesn't mean that the rest of the family suddenly got bumped to the head of the green card line. 14:25 <@Corydon76-dig> I can also agree with 3010, but with a caveat: Political activities by public corporations should have to be approved by the shareholders, too 14:25 <@polerin> Shadow404: you're assuming that people come to the US just to have kids. 14:26 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: the teachers are allowed to carry, not stash it in their desks 14:26 <@Shadow404> one sec, phone 14:26 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: you stash it, your fault. 14:26 <@polerin> Dolemite: why? So that parents are forced to decide between leaving their child in the US for a better education and life, or staying togeather? 14:26 <@polerin> Corydon76-dig: if the teacher stashes it and a kid shoots another kid, it's the second kid's fault? 14:27 <@rhia> polerin: carry isnt' stash 14:27 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: no, it's the teacher's fault 14:27 <@polerin> rephrase then. 14:27 <@polerin> what happens if the kid jumps the teacher 14:27 <@polerin> ? 14:27 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: then we let a court decide 14:27 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: that's not any different from today 14:28 <@polerin> ok, now. kid trys to jump the teacher. teacher pulls, fires, and hits another kid 14:28 <@polerin> you've got a target rich environment there you know :P 14:28 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: by that same logic, we shouldn't allow police officers to carry guns, because a suspect may jump the officers 14:28 <@polerin> the difference is that police officers are employed to reduce crime and help arrest criminals 14:28 <@polerin> are our kids criminals? 14:28 <@rhia> polerin: yeah, but getting a carry permit covers when NOT to fire 14:28 <@polerin> or are they kids 14:29 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: sometimes, both 14:29 <@polerin> rhia: no comment. People forget in the heat of the moment 14:29 <@Dolemite> polerin : So fertile couples should have a higher priority for gaining citizenship than people who can't have natural offspring? Like, say, same sex couples? Or single people? 14:29 <@polerin> Corydon76-dig: then there should be other needs for it. 14:29 <@polerin> Dolemite: don't pull that bullshit. Same sex couples can't even come in the us as a married couple. 14:29 <@polerin> :) 14:29 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: I'm guessing that where there are no criminal kids, the gun the teacher has isn't a threat 14:30 <@Dolemite> polerin : Ok, then single homosexuals. 14:30 <@polerin> Dolemite: who says single homosexuals don't have kids? 14:30 <@polerin> I know several. 14:30 <@rhia> polerin: legitimate gun owners who get licensed and carry permits tend towards not being forgetful in the heat - it's by a very large margin the gansta wannbes that freak out & fire first 14:30 <@polerin> heh 14:31 * polerin has two completely differnt things going on here and is trying to get mylyn installed. sec 14:31 <@coil> k 14:31 <@rhia> polerin: could happen, but Corydon rather covered that - if the kids aren't a threat, the teacher's gun isn't one either 14:31 <@polerin> rhia: not all the kids are a threat 14:32 <@rhia> polerin: exactly 14:32 <@polerin> sorry, hit enter too soon 14:32 <@polerin> what I'm saying is 14:32 <@polerin> you are putting kids at risk for minimal gain 14:32 <@polerin> when CAN you fire safely in a crouded classroom that is likely going nuts? 14:32 <@Dolemite> polerin : Stop playing semantics just to distract the argument. The point is that people who are capable of crossing the border just to pop out a child should not be prioritized above others who are waiting in line to gain citizenship legally. 14:33 <@polerin> the only instance is a school shooter where the teacher already happens to know that theres an incoming threat and is ready 14:33 <@Corydon76-dig> Dolemite: I'd be surprised if people cross the border just to pop out a child 14:33 <@rhia> polerin: eh, i see it from the other end, if responsible adults are permitted to carry then things like Columbine, etc are MUCH less likely to happen 14:33 <@polerin> Dolemite: You do realize how many people die crossing the border illegally 14:33 <@polerin> Dolemite: and how difficult it would be to do so while pregnant? 14:33 <@Corydon76-dig> Dolemite: generally, they're crossing the border to find employment 14:33 <@Dolemite> Corydon76-dig : Talk to anyone that has lived in Southern California or Southern Arizona and you'll know that it certainly is the case. 14:34 <@Corydon76-dig> Dolemite: still, by the time they get to TN, it wasn't just to pop out a kid 14:34 <@polerin> rhia: the problem is that I see the risk of a misfire or a failure in judgement being a much higher threat than a columbine 14:34 <@Dolemite> Corydon76-dig : I wasn't talking about TN. Please butt out of the discussion if you're not going to get the context right. 14:34 <@polerin> Dolemite: this is tennessee legislation 14:35 <@polerin> Dolemite: inherently you are talking about tennessee. 14:35 <@rhia> polerin: i'll agree to disagree on gun carrying =) 14:35 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: so the possibility of a failure in judgement means we should restrict your rights to free movement? 14:35 <@polerin> rhia: hehe, we'll talk about it later 14:35 <@Corydon76-dig> Dolemite: We're talking about proposed TN legislation here 14:35 <@polerin> Corydon76-dig: Then why aren't students who are over 18 allowed to cary? 14:35 <@Dolemite> polerin : I wasn't talking about TN legislation. I was trying to illustrate to Shadow404 what the proper recourse for his backing of 2998 was. 14:36 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: I believe you have to be 21 to carry 14:36 <@polerin> Corydon76-dig: fine, why aren't students over 21 allowed to carry? 14:36 <@Dolemite> I never stated that he should get the TN legislature to pass something. US Citizenship is granted by ICE, which is a federal agency, and supercedes TN law. 14:36 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: probably because students under 21 aren't allowed to carry 14:36 <@polerin> Corydon76-dig: OVER 14:37 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: the ones over aren't allowed to carry because the ones under aren't allowed to carry 14:37 <@Dolemite> s/ICE/The State Department/ 14:37 <@polerin> why does that matter? 14:37 <@polerin> the fact that the other student's cant carry shouldn't restrict your freedom to carry should it? 14:37 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: because students are supposed to be equal on campus 14:38 <@polerin> they are equal. when they turn 21 they can carry. 14:38 <@polerin> (barring felony convictions etc) 14:38 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: I'm not terribly opposed to that, either 14:38 <@polerin> yes 14:38 <@polerin> a classroom full of guns 14:38 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: so you're pushing a straw man 14:38 <@polerin> no, I was asking 14:38 <@polerin> now lets look at that situation 14:39 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: not full of guns. 3/4ths can't carry, due to age 14:39 <@polerin> Corydon76-dig: at college? 14:39 <@polerin> that's not the case at night. 14:39 <@Corydon76-dig> polerin: 18-20 14:39 <@Corydon76-dig> At night is even a greater reason to allow carrying 14:41 <@polerin> why? 14:42 <@Corydon76-dig> That's when the majority of assaults on campus take place. 14:42 <@polerin> by whom 14:42 <@Corydon76-dig> Well, unfortunately, not all assaults are caught, so that's unknown. 14:43 <@polerin> then of the assuaults where the identity of the person is known, or is known not to be a student 14:44 <@Corydon76-dig> I don't really care who the assault is propagated by, the victim has a right to defend themselves 14:44 <@polerin> I would bet that a good number of the assaults or other crime you would need a gun to defend yourself from are perpetrated by students. 14:44 <@polerin> and that arming the students also presents more "target of opportunity" issues 14:44 <@Corydon76-dig> Well, now you're speculating 14:45 <@polerin> I am, but speculation isn't neccisarily invalid. I'm only one or two steps off of things we know about. 14:45 <@Corydon76-dig> I can speculate, too, but I doubt you'll like how the argument progresses 14:45 <@rhia> polerin: the exact opposite argument can be made - that by keeping students disarmed you're creating targets of opportunity via removing a constitutionaly given right to bear arms to defend themselves ..... 14:46 <@polerin> rhia: except for the fact that attakers always have the jump on their victims if they have a weapon. In the situation where a gun is pointed at you already, it is difficult to draw and shoot 14:46 <@polerin> same as anywhere else 14:47 <@rhia> polerin: what the real argument is a more ideological and thus my comment on i can agree to disagree with you 14:47 <@polerin> rhia: I know 14:47 <@timoguin> If a gun was pointed at me I would just move really fast and kick it out of their hand. 14:47 <@timoguin> And then shot them with their own gun. 14:48 <@rhia> timoguin: and then go down the red carpet and win your oscar for best action movie 14:48 <@polerin> my issue is that by permitting guns in a classroom you are bringing guns into a confined space with limited exits and a large number of people in them... that in and of itself makes it more dangerous than just having gun owners carying in the street 14:48 <@polerin> that's the real issue to me 14:48 <@timoguin> rhia: Yea! 14:48 <@polerin> I think it would be interesting to look at why guns were dissallowed in the first place 14:49 <@timoguin> Mainly because they are damaging to the ears, I think. 14:49 <@rhia> polerin: well, except some districts have already made such a law - and there isn't any data that shows it's made the situation more dangerous 14:50 <@rhia> polerin: that would probably take you into the complete zero tolerance stuff that's permeated the education system 14:50 <@polerin> rhia: how long have they been in effect 14:50 <@polerin> actually gun bans have been around long before zero tolerance 14:51 <@polerin> they were around when I was in highschool, and zero tolerance was just starting to come in. 14:51 <@rhia> polerin: yes and no - before the terminology, yes, but not before the ideology 14:52 -!- RJH00_BRB is now known as RJH00_WORK 14:52 -!- ShadowHntr [n=sentinel@wikipedia/Shadowhntr] has joined #se2600 14:52 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o ShadowHntr] by ChanServ 14:53 -!- Cinotac is now known as Catonic_lp 14:53 <@polerin> well, the ideology has been around for a very long time :P 14:53 <@polerin> I'd say that stoning an adulturess is an example of that 14:54 <@rhia> from a completely different angle, of all the problems we have with our education system, having a couple of trained, licensed carrying teachers on campus is not exactly on my personal top 10 issues that need to be fixed NOW 14:55 <@rhia> =) 14:55 <@polerin> that's the damn truth :P 14:56 * Lissa humps rhia 14:57 <@polerin> Dolemite: to sorta sum up the whole immegration thing, I'd actually take a similar position to rhia's. There are some issues with illegal immegrants and kids, but allowing those families to stay togeather is far from the worst issue that our immegration system has 14:57 -!- RJH00_WORK is now known as RJH00_FUD 14:58 * rhia pounces Lissa 14:58 <@polerin> Dolemite: I'm not wholly in dissagreement with you on the issue, but I think that it can better be addressed by fixing the whole fucking thing, which is really, really, really broken. 14:58 <@Dolemite> polerin : The current definition of family according to the immigration authorities, extends beyond the immediate family - it goes to grandparents, cousins, etc. It's too far. 14:59 <@Dolemite> THAT is why pregnant women risk their and their unborn childrens lives to cross the Rio and pop out a baby on US soil. 14:59 <@polerin> that is far fewer people than cross for work. 15:05 <@Lissa> how is rhia? 15:06 * Lissa blows up Texas and Arkansas Medicaid 15:07 * SmthingPrductive also... but has no reason to do so 15:13 <+cerkit> They won't be crossing over here for work soon enough. 15:14 <+cerkit> We have the George Bush work relocation program in effect. 15:14 <+cerkit> Or, as some call it "Great Depression 2.0" 15:14 <@Shadow404> damn, that thread needs to die already 15:14 <+cerkit> thread? 15:15 <@Shadow404> the one on the list 15:16 <+cerkit> Oh, sorry, I don't read the list. 15:16 < Catonic_lp> I think I just tried to modernize Godwin's law. 15:16 <@rhia> Lissa: just had our 8th anniversary - so, doing pretty well =) 15:17 <+cerkit> I have an anniversary every year too. 15:17 <+cerkit> I celebrate my lonely, bitter existence, in an effort to revitalize my rage and hate. 15:17 <@timoguin> http://giveupandusetables.com/ 15:18 <+cerkit> Its a lot like a marriage 15:18 <+cerkit> actually. 15:18 <@rhia> cerkit: only bad ones 15:18 < Catonic_lp> I read that as "miscarriage" 15:18 <+cerkit> rhia: Riiight. 15:18 <@rhia> of which i'm quite familiar as well 15:18 <+cerkit> All mariages are bad ones. 15:18 <+cerkit> (on a long enough time line) 15:19 <@polerin> timoguin: lol 15:19 <@rhia> thus sayeth the cynic who's not in one 15:19 <@polerin> timoguin: I don't have that much of an issue with getting things to work normally 15:19 <@polerin> but .. yeah. 15:19 <+cerkit> rhia: If I had never been in a boat, would you think me a fool for being afraid ogetting wett? 15:19 <+cerkit> :)\ 15:20 <@rhia> cerkit: dunno - did someone try to drown you before? ;) 15:20 <+cerkit> rhia: Its not that complicated to understand married life. 15:20 < Catonic_lp> omg. that page uses the tag! 15:20 <@Lissa> rhia: awww...i just had my 4th "official", but we've been together 11 15:20 <+cerkit> Its like constrained single life. 15:20 <+cerkit> You make comprimises. 15:20 <+cerkit> Accept help. 15:20 <+cerkit> Earn respect. 15:20 <+cerkit> Give respect. 15:20 <+cerkit> Not complicated stuff. 15:20 <@rhia> Lissa: hehe, you two met about the same time we did 15:20 <+cerkit> Its the... doing that for 30 years... 15:21 <@rhia> or, got together about the same time 15:21 <+cerkit> hence the (long enough time line) 15:21 * Lissa nods 15:22 <@Lissa> i think i may be in for the long haul 15:22 <+cerkit> I was made to be single though. You can tell -- like now, I';m talking and no one's listening. 15:22 <@Lissa> you know...for your 50th, you buy each other a rocking chair 15:22 <+cerkit> I'm just used to it. 15:22 <@rhia> hehe - to both 15:23 <@rhia> but, got stuff to do .... 15:23 * Lissa nods 15:23 <@Lissa> i'm working on stupid medicaid crap 15:23 <+cerkit> If I thought my contribution to the environment of the planet would be significant enough, I'd kill myself, alas even that is not the case. 15:23 <@Lissa> and medicaid just needs to shove off 15:23 <@timoguin> polerin: Yea but I'm sure you've spent way too much time trying to get a simple layout to work before. 15:23 <@timoguin> I know I have. 15:24 <@polerin> awhile ago. 15:24 <@polerin> but mostly, not any time recently 15:24 <@polerin> the only thing I've had an issue with was a stupid menu 15:25 <@timoguin> I have lots of issues with the different implementations of floating divs. 15:25 <@polerin> and that was just because firefox and IE have different default vertical-align for inline elements, which you can't override. 15:25 <@polerin> floating is overused I think 15:25 <@polerin> there are a couple really neat ways to do it though 15:26 <@timoguin> polerin: http://www.cumberlandtrade.com/ 15:26 <@timoguin> That one was a bitch to do. 15:27 -!- Netsplit clarke.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: +DigitalIrony, @critch, @Gregabyte_, Catonic_lp, @ChanServ, @Drag0n, @tzanger, @M0j0-j0j0, @poiupoiu, @juice, (+2 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 15:27 <@polerin> [ 1 ] [ 3 ] [ 2 ] is easy if you do it like that, float 1 left, 2 right, and make the margins for 3 the of 1 and 2 15:27 <@polerin> wow 15:27 <@polerin> nice netsplit 15:28 <@scort> wtf 15:28 <@timoguin> That layout doesn't work at all in IE. 15:28 <@scort> it seems like every network im on right now is having a netsplit 15:28 < nated0g_wrk> my other channel dropped out completely 15:28 <@scort> 3 diff networks at the same time 15:28 <@Shadow404> that page no worky 15:28 <@scort> someone blow up a dc 15:28 <@Shadow404> links go no where 15:28 <@scort> ? 15:28 <@Shadow404> i want to buy cumberland 15:29 -!- Netsplit over, joins: critch 15:29 <@timoguin> Shadow404: It doesn't work? 15:29 <@Shadow404> scort: no thx, i dont want customers calling me all panicky, i get enough of that 15:29 <@timoguin> Sucks... 15:29 <@Shadow404> timoguin: it does, but links dont go to a buy page 15:29 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Catonic_lp 15:29 <@timoguin> I'd really like you to be able to get to all the other lorem ipsums. 15:29 <@Shadow404> please provide update so i can buy 15:29 <@scort> same 15:29 <@Shadow404> please provide etr 15:29 <@timoguin> plzfixin timelymanner 15:29 <@Shadow404> i would like a reply asap 15:30 <@scort> eta on Shadow404 diaf asap 15:30 <@scort> i need an eta assap 15:30 <@timoguin> ETA is 9. 15:31 <@polerin> timoguin: so what's the ETR? 15:31 <@timoguin> I'll be there in 9. 15:31 <@timoguin> Have it fixed in 3 after that. 15:32 <@Shadow404> lawl 15:34 <@scort> zelazny 15:34 <@scort> wait 15:35 <@scort> so is everyone here on this server? 15:38 * brimstone is over here 15:38 * brimstone waves 15:38 <@scort> so what server splitted 15:39 <@timoguin> netsplit can't get me 15:39 <@scort> oh snap 15:39 <@scort> no services 15:39 * scort takes over 15:39 <@timoguin> yah 15:39 <@scort> /deop -YES * 15:39 <@scort> lul 15:41 -!- Gregabyte_ [n=wintermu@nat/digium/x-83919785db4d96a8] has joined #se2600 15:41 <@polerin> timoguin: btw which layout are you talking about? 15:41 <@polerin> not working in ie? 15:41 <@timoguin> the cumberlandtrade one 15:41 <@polerin> ah ok 15:42 <@timoguin> IE doesn't properly support negative margins IIRC. 15:42 <@polerin> fighting with setting up a new project with the guidence of a non-native english speaker 15:42 <@Lissa> IE doesn't support anything 15:42 <@polerin> it does 15:42 <@polerin> actually :) 15:42 <@Lissa> does not 15:42 <@scort> it supports deez nuts pretty well 15:42 <@Lissa> ew. 15:42 -!- DigitalIrony [n=eric@nat/digium/x-faabb66eee8e3760] has joined #se2600 15:43 <@timoguin> IE 7 does properly handle background-attachment properties. 15:43 <@polerin> actually even 6 supports negative margins 15:43 <@polerin> i've used it before. 15:43 <@polerin> but yeah floats can be a pain 15:44 <@timoguin> Well there was something in that layout that IE didn't support 15:44 <@polerin> and I hate the
crap that most people do 15:44 <@timoguin> It's been a while since I looked at it. 15:44 <@polerin> yeah 15:44 <@polerin> doesn't supprise me, I'm not trying to say I like IE.. trust me. 15:44 <@polerin> heh 15:45 -!- M0j0-j0j0 [n=Mojo_Joj@rrcs-70-62-123-52.midsouth.biz.rr.com] has joined #se2600 15:45 -!- juice [n=juice@65.28.103.54] has joined #se2600 15:45 -!- poiupoiu [i=hectorgo@oxnard.dreamhost.com] has joined #se2600 15:45 -!- ServerMode/#se2600 [+ooov M0j0-j0j0 juice poiupoiu poiupoiu] by irc.freenode.net 15:45 -!- tzanger [n=tzanger@gromit.mixdown.ca] has joined #se2600 15:45 -!- ServerMode/#se2600 [+o tzanger] by irc.freenode.net 15:45 <@timoguin> div class="clear"? 15:46 -!- buubot [n=buubot@erxz.com] has joined #se2600 15:46 -!- ChanServ [ChanServ@services.] has joined #se2600 15:46 -!- ServerMode/#se2600 [+o ChanServ] by irc.freenode.net 15:46 <@timoguin> Why would someone do that? 15:46 < Catonic_lp> btw, In case any of you didn't know, scort can channel jeffK at will. 15:46 <@polerin> timoguin: because of float containment issues 15:46 <@polerin> timoguin: most of the time it's caused by improper use of float vs inline or inline block 15:47 <@scort> HELO AND WELCOEM 2 MY HOMOPAEG 15:47 <@polerin> there we go. 15:47 -!- strages [n=strages@c-68-62-216-5.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 15:47 -!- Drag0n [n=dragon@cpe-76-184-98-159.tx.res.rr.com] has joined #se2600 15:47 -!- ServerMode/#se2600 [+oo strages Drag0n] by irc.freenode.net 15:48 -!- mtown_nerd [n=JHester@c-75-66-111-159.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 15:48 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o mtown_nerd] by ChanServ 15:51 <@rattle> All UUNet's routing in DC just went haywire for about 15 minutes.. 15:52 <@scort> thats why multiple networks splitted 15:53 <@aestetix> Wow, I made firefox crash. By trying to copy and paste something. 15:54 < nated0g_wrk> ur 1337 15:55 * nated0g_wrk chuckles 15:55 <@scort> how do i do that 16:09 -!- zadeaux [n=zad@71.16.118.66] has joined #se2600 16:15 -!- jnds [n=ljugo@adsl-217-149-188.owb.bellsouth.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 16:28 <@timoguin> I pee in your Mom's mouth. 16:34 <@rattle> That UUNet routing fuckup effected a large chunk of the net... 16:36 <@timoguin> Yea I heard google, amazon, and yahoo were down for some people. 16:36 <@polerin> that would have pissed me off 16:36 <@polerin> heh 16:38 < Catonic_lp> nice... 16:38 < Catonic_lp> I see UUNET finally laid off the last person who knew anything. 16:38 -!- Curbob [n=curbob@12.51.122.35] has quit [] 16:39 <@timoguin> Me? 16:39 < eryc> um, UUNet stopped existing years ago 16:44 < eryc> # 2000 - The UUNET brand is folded into WorldCom's product line and disappears 16:44 < eryc> # 2003 - The UUNET brand re-emerges as WorldCom's wholesale-only brand 16:44 < eryc> # 2004 - WorldCom renames itself to MCI, still using the UUNET brand for wholesale business. 16:44 < eryc> # 2005 - MCI again drops the UUNET brand for wholesale business. The name is no longer in use to this date. 16:44 < eryc> # 2006 - Verizon acquires MCI, including its UUNET subsidiary, now known as Verizon Business. AS701 remains the backbone of Verizon Business although its origin dates back to 1990 when it was under the UUNET flag. 16:45 <@scort> thanks mr expert 16:45 <@scort> anything else 16:45 <@scort> that we should know 16:45 <@scort> is there going to be a test on it? 16:45 <@scort> when does the study guide come out 16:48 <@Drag0n> who has the cliff notes? 16:50 -!- zadeaux [n=zad@71.16.118.66] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:51 <@polerin> http://www.newsgroper.com/leonard-nimoy/2008/10/26/william-shatner-and-george-takei-grow-hell 16:51 <@polerin> ok 16:51 <@polerin> that's just funny as hell 16:52 <@polerin> nimoy - "William Shatner and George Takei: Grow the Hell Up" 16:52 <@scort> hahaha 16:57 < nated0g_wrk> should i even read the emails that are coming about the nashville2600? 16:57 <@rhia> aging hollywood stars will do almost anything to stay in the spotlight - shatner doubly so 16:57 <@polerin> nated0g_wrk: are you bored? 16:58 < nated0g_wrk> not really. been busy so much i havent even twittered 16:58 < nated0g_wrk> today was first in 6 days 16:59 -!- RJH00_FUD is now known as RJH00_WORK 16:59 < eryc> tweet tweet! 17:00 -!- C-P [n=HappyDan@208.179.160.78] has joined #se2600 17:03 <@polerin> nated0g_wrk: then don't. I'll summarize. "ware: you be oppressin mez." "rhia: Stop being an idiot and insulting everyone around you, perhaps people wouldn't grow tired of you" "ware: I'm done with it 17:03 <@polerin> :P 17:04 <@M0j0-j0j0> # 2008 - Everyone gets pissed of at Verizon for messing up perfectly good OS on their phone and the world shuns mobile communication 17:04 <@scort> haha 17:05 -!- rattle [n=rattle@tor/regular/rattle] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 17:06 <@M0j0-j0j0> my company isn't going to provide our phones any more.. they told us that we can go get whatever phone we want and they'll pay x amount of the bill 17:07 <@M0j0-j0j0> I guess I'm glad that I can finally get off verizon, but I think verizon and att are the only ones with 3G networks in the raleigh area 17:07 <@polerin> hmm 17:07 <@polerin> sql question 17:07 <@M0j0-j0j0> and t-mobile is the only one with a andriod phone 17:07 <@brimstone> SELECT * from users WHERE have_a_clue > 0; 17:07 <@scort> SELECT * from 'intelligence' > 0; 17:07 <@polerin> I've got N users, and want to fetch one blog entry for each user 17:07 <@polerin> any way to do that in one query? 17:07 < eryc> android sux 17:07 <@brimstone> so one row from each table? 17:08 <@brimstone> one row from each table according to a key in another table? 17:08 <@M0j0-j0j0> select distict 17:08 <@brimstone> polerin: "probably" 17:08 <@M0j0-j0j0> eryc: why you say that? 17:08 <@polerin> n rows from 1 table by key in another 17:08 < eryc> M0j0-j0j0: cuz i have an iphone 17:08 <@polerin> two tables 17:08 <@M0j0-j0j0> eryc: whos fault is that 17:09 <@polerin> users and entries 17:09 < eryc> its better than the G1 17:09 <@brimstone> polerin: there is a way, and i think it involves groups 17:09 <@M0j0-j0j0> brimstone: yeah 17:09 <@M0j0-j0j0> brimstone: and count 17:10 < eryc> more like subselect 17:10 <@M0j0-j0j0> select x.x, y.y from table1 x, table2 y group by y.y where count(x.x) < 2 17:10 <@M0j0-j0j0> something like that? 17:11 < eryc> nope 17:11 <@M0j0-j0j0> eryc: yep 17:11 <@polerin> eryc: ech, subselects are a pain in the rear with cake's array syntax 17:11 <@M0j0-j0j0> eryc: you don't have have to do the subselect.. that is going to make a temp table and be slwo 17:11 < nated0g_wrk> thanks polerin 17:13 <@Shadow404> ok. so you walk into your bosses office before u leave and see a book on his desk that is "management for dummies" 17:13 <@Shadow404> what would yuour first reaction/thought be 17:13 <@polerin> "heh." 17:13 < eryc> managing dummies requires a book? 17:13 <@M0j0-j0j0> select count(*),type from account_history \ GROUP BY type ORDER BY type;" 17:14 < eryc> drop table idiots; 17:15 <@tzanger> eryc: E:1D10T: table 'idiots' hardlinked to table 'users' 17:16 <@brimstone> i need to sit down and figure out cakephp again 17:16 < eryc> php is an artifact of the digital past 17:17 <@M0j0-j0j0> I need to sit down and figure out cakephp for the first time 17:17 <@brimstone> eryc: don't hate 17:17 <@Shadow404> so is your mom's livejournal page 17:17 <@Shadow404> but we'd still hit it 17:17 <@brimstone> with a bot! 17:19 <@polerin> eryc: no, php developers can be stupid, I'll give you that, and the language itself can be a bit annoying at times, but when you are diciplined about your design you can do some awesome things. 17:19 <@polerin> cake is a way of doing that, if you use it correctly 17:19 <@brimstone> maybe i'll just do my own MVC in gawk 17:19 <@tzanger> polerin: that's true for pretty much any language 17:19 <@polerin> tzanger: yep :) 17:19 <@polerin> brimstone: ... :P 17:19 <@polerin> brimstone: you realize I work for PhpNut right? 17:19 <@M0j0-j0j0> mostly, I still write in perl or c 17:19 <@brimstone> polerin: nope 17:20 <@polerin> yeah ;P 17:20 <@polerin> Cake development corperation :) 17:20 <@brimstone> so gawk it is! 17:20 <@timoguin> Mmm... cake. 17:20 <@polerin> heh. KMA brim :P 17:20 <@brimstone> timoguin: !!! 17:20 <@brimstone> did you see the coffee cup cake? 17:20 <@Shadow404> i still code in basic 17:20 <@timoguin> I have this recipe for five-layer devils food cake with peppermint frosting that I really want to try. 17:21 <@timoguin> brimstone: no idea what you're talking about. 17:21 <@brimstone> timoguin: http://lifehacker.com/5082593/microwave-an-instant-chocolate-cake-in-a-coffee-mug 17:21 <@M0j0-j0j0> GFABasic was the bomb 17:22 <@M0j0-j0j0> I took a class for DarkBasic.. that was a lot of fun 17:23 <@timoguin> brimstone: erm. no way. 17:23 <@timoguin> I lyke reel cake! 17:23 <@M0j0-j0j0> of late I've been mucking around with monodevelop 17:24 <@M0j0-j0j0> I don't think I like it.. but I'll have to wait a while to make sure 17:24 <@M0j0-j0j0> don't like python because of whitespace issues 17:27 < eryc> php is a huge pile of crap 17:27 <@timoguin> A lot of people say that. 17:27 < eryc> if you ever compiled it, you would know 17:27 <@timoguin> I like it because I am also a huge pile of crap. 17:27 < Catonic_lp> php... is a huge pile of crap 17:28 < Catonic_lp> But even with feces, you can make art. 17:28 < eryc> true 17:28 <@scort> mmm feces 17:28 <@M0j0-j0j0> well, for work.. it looks like I'm going to have to learn RoR and I would think the PHP would at least be more marketable than anything having to do with Ruby 17:28 <@polerin> I've compiled it :P 17:28 <@timoguin> The problem with PHP is the low barrier to entry. 17:29 <@polerin> M0j0-j0j0: CakePHP acts a bit like rails, might give it a shot 17:29 <@M0j0-j0j0> Catonic_lp: like that guy in Close Encounters 17:29 <@polerin> M0j0-j0j0: all joking aside, I can give you some help 17:29 <@timoguin> So people that can't code think they can. 17:29 <@timoguin> And they make websites galore. 17:29 <@polerin> timoguin: not the only problem with it, there are far worse. 17:29 <@timoguin> polerin: Yea, I know. 17:29 <@polerin> timoguin: some of the worst code I've seen recently was from java devlopers trying to code in php 17:29 <@timoguin> I just think most of the issues with PHP are because people misuse it. 17:30 <@polerin> well, yes :) 17:30 <@polerin> I'll agree there 17:30 <@timoguin> So it gets bad rep because of the ease of creating a website. 17:30 <@timoguin> Just like bad CSS and HTML. 17:30 <@M0j0-j0j0> polerin: thanks... 17:30 <@timoguin> HTML sux! 17:31 -!- strages_ [n=strages@c-68-62-216-5.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 17:31 -!- strages_ [n=strages@c-68-62-216-5.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:32 <@M0j0-j0j0> timoguin: long live swf? 17:32 <@polerin> bleh 17:32 <@polerin> SWF is fail. Long live hypercard! 17:33 <@timoguin> M0j0-j0j0: fer tru! 17:33 <@brimstone> hypercard! 17:33 <@brimstone> <3 A Christmas Story & Myst 17:34 <@polerin> heh 17:34 <@Drag0n> all hail gofer 17:35 * brimstone dances the Dance of Dead Technologies 17:35 <@M0j0-j0j0> timoguin: actionscript is really fun 17:36 <@M0j0-j0j0> like... even better than LISP 17:37 <@M0j0-j0j0> (or ADA, JForth, even Fortran77) 17:37 <@Drag0n> err, gopher 17:37 <@Drag0n> cp/m 17:37 <@M0j0-j0j0> cp/m! 17:37 <@M0j0-j0j0> I should put that on my c64 emulator 17:38 <@M0j0-j0j0> I guess I'm a technowhore.. I've tried just about everything once 17:39 <@M0j0-j0j0> I tried writing my own OS once, but fail 17:40 <@timoguin> I once tried to butter a bagel. 17:40 < Catonic_lp> technowhore... I think aestetix tried to set me up with one of those once. 17:40 <@timoguin> Catonic_lp: That rat bitch? 17:40 <@brimstone> Catonic_lp: that was a scenewhore, close though, very similar 17:40 <@M0j0-j0j0> scenewhores are your friends 17:41 <@M0j0-j0j0> or is it.. your friends are scenewhores 17:41 <@M0j0-j0j0> gopherwhores 17:42 -!- skout [n=skout@cpe-76-166-184-169.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #se2600 17:46 <@M0j0-j0j0> afk 17:46 < Catonic_lp> cockblockin' beats! 17:46 <@polerin> lol 17:47 <@timoguin> Your pants smell like old peanut butter! 17:49 <@Corydon76-dig> Aren't they supposed to teach telemarketers who are soliciting NOT to drone on and on? 17:49 <@Corydon76-dig> I just got a solicitation that made me feel too tired to continue listening, so I hung up in the middle 17:51 <@brimstone> Corydon76-dig: you should have told him 17:51 <@scort> lol 17:51 <@scort> yeah tell him how to do his job, yeah that will make his day the very best~! 17:53 <@brimstone> "i'm sorry sir, but you're just drowning on and on without putting any enthusiasm behind your speech. i'm gonna hang up now, and it's just because you're boring to listen to. have a nice day" 17:53 <@brimstone> can't really ask him to call you back... 17:54 <@Corydon76-dig> her 17:55 <@scort> oooo ipv6 website that has a bunch of leet stuff on it 17:55 <@brimstone> link? 17:56 <@scort> hd porn 17:56 <@scort> woot 17:56 <@scort> Mai.Hanano.2008.720p.BluRay.x264-NsC.mkv 2008-Apr-27 22:07:35 4.3G application/octet-stream 17:56 <@scort> http://[2a01:490:11:1:3:3:7:0] 17:56 <@brimstone> lol, 1:3:3:7:0 17:57 <@brimstone> that's leeto! 17:57 <@scort> lul 17:57 <@scort> inorite 17:57 <@scort> not bad speeds considering the content thats on it 17:58 <@brimstone> i need to setup an ipv6 tunnel again :/ 17:58 <@scort> i love mine 17:58 <@brimstone> who are you using? 17:58 <@scort> he ftw 17:58 <@brimstone> yeah, i had one on hurrican 'lectric 17:58 <@scort> been pretty much %100 stable since i got it 17:58 <@brimstone> got to set it up again 17:59 <@scort> --- ipv6.google.com ping statistics --- 17:59 <@scort> 3 packets transmitted, 3 received, 0% packet loss, time 2005ms 17:59 <@scort> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 127.973/129.687/131.219/1.394 ms 17:59 -!- RJH00_WORK is now known as RJH00 17:59 <@scort> i used to get 200ms+ pings 18:00 <@scort> and then you can implement ipv6 into ur snapl 18:00 -!- ziplock [i=nobody@pdpc/supporter/professional/ziplock] has joined #se2600 18:00 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o ziplock] by ChanServ 18:01 -!- cerkit [i=cerkit@point1.infophobia.net] has joined #se2600 18:02 < Catonic_lp> wb cerkit 18:02 < cerkit> yoyo 18:02 < Catonic_lp> survived your attempt at suicy-side? 18:02 < cerkit> haha, yeah, I was just leaving work 18:02 < cerkit> made it dramatic 18:02 < cerkit> sorry 18:02 < cerkit> heh 18:04 < Catonic_lp> ok, cold turkey to venti is just plain MEAN 18:04 < cerkit> cold turkey to venti? 18:04 < cerkit> star bucks? 18:06 < cerkit> eryc: This bud... is for you 18:07 <@M0j0-j0j0> ziplock: are you deaf! I said it was uphill BOTH ways 18:07 -!- m0o0 [i=coil@m0000000.m000.org] has joined #se2600 18:07 < m0o0> moooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo 18:07 < m0o0> moooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo 18:07 -!- m0o0 [i=coil@m0000000.m000.org] has quit [Client Quit] 18:08 <@ziplock> wtf? 18:08 <@Corydon76-dig> Apparently ware can't quit us yet 18:08 <@M0j0-j0j0> ziplock: just messin 18:08 < Catonic_lp> cerkit: took off for four days, now I just drank a venti... omg.,.. laserbeam vision 18:08 -!- newbie [i=coil@ima.neweb.co.il] has joined #se2600 18:08 < cerkit> ahaha 18:08 < newbie> ima newbie 18:08 <@polerin> I need real caffine. 18:09 -!- newbie [i=coil@ima.neweb.co.il] has quit [Client Quit] 18:09 < cerkit> Starbucks is in real trouble. 18:09 <@M0j0-j0j0> newbie: mooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo 18:09 < cerkit> Its good you're giving them business. 18:09 -!- fourtwenty [i=coil@420.4twenty.us] has joined #se2600 18:09 < fourtwenty> hey hey hey smnoke weed every day 18:09 -!- fourtwenty [i=coil@420.4twenty.us] has left #se2600 [] 18:10 -!- fourtwenty [i=coil@420.4twenty.us] has joined #se2600 18:10 < fourtwenty> smoke* 18:10 -!- fourtwenty [i=coil@420.4twenty.us] has left #se2600 [] 18:10 < cerkit> thats not a bad idea. 18:10 -!- aslplz [i=coil@asl.us.to] has joined #se2600 18:10 < cerkit> I think I will smoke some weed. 18:10 < aslplz> hi asl plz 18:10 <@Corydon76-dig> coil: you can stop now 18:11 < aslplz> ya i ran out of hosts 18:11 < aslplz> no more of them 18:11 < aslplz> afraid only allows 5 rdns entries :( 18:11 < cerkit> aslplz: Besides, what you're doing, was an underdone bit in the winter of 1998. 18:11 < cerkit> overdone* 18:11 < cerkit> sorry 18:12 < aslplz> what am i doiing 18:12 < aslplz> please read my mind 18:12 < cerkit> Being silly. And you don't need to read someone's mind to see what it is their doing. 18:12 < cerkit> heh 18:12 -!- aslplz [i=coil@asl.us.to] has left #se2600 [] 18:13 < cerkit> Did he make himself unwelcome or something? 18:14 <@scort> i was just showing my kewl ipv6 hosts 18:16 < cerkit> Well, I made a bunch of money on the stock market again today. 18:16 < cerkit> That was good. 18:16 < cerkit> Our industry though, is going to get asskicked. 18:17 < cerkit> Then skullfucked. 18:17 < cerkit> At least, if you lend any creedence to what Intel's forecasting. 18:17 <@scort> k 18:18 < cerkit> Intel said it now expects fourth-quarter revenue to be $9 billion, plus or minus $300 million, lower than its previous prediction of between $10.1 billion and $10.9 billion. 18:18 < cerkit> It put its gross profit margin at 55% percent, plus or minus a couple of points, off from its prior prediction of 59% 18:19 < Catonic_lp> smack 18:19 < cerkit> Thats like a giant bitchslap to the whole PC universe 18:19 < Catonic_lp> so I can steal a processor and pay for one and intel still makes 5% in profit? 18:19 <@Drag0n> now, the question is, does intel call that a loss? 18:19 < cerkit> Drag0n: I would think so. 18:20 -!- RJH00 [n=RHouse@72.54.131.86] has quit ["Leaving."] 18:20 < cerkit> Intel, of Santa Clara, Calif., had seen little effect from the slump through the third quarter, when its net income rose 12%. Since then, however, demand for computers has been hit hard -- both among corporate customers and consumers. 18:20 <@Drag0n> oh noes, we didnt make as much as we expected, we have taken a loss 18:20 < cerkit> How could that not net a loss? with a projected profit margin in the 50s... 18:21 < cerkit> They're going to lose BIG. 18:21 <@M0j0-j0j0> coke.. and lots of it 18:21 < cerkit> The company said "revenue is being affected by significantly weaker than expected demand in all geographies and market segments." The company added that companies that buy and distribute chips are "aggressively reducing component inventories." 18:21 <@Drag0n> depends on what their expenses are. if they make more than they spend, that is profit 18:22 < cerkit> thjeir fab input costs... 18:22 < cerkit> are INSANE 18:22 <@Drag0n> isnt a profit margine, the percentage of what they make that is above their expenses? so 5% of everything they make above expenses? 18:22 <@M0j0-j0j0> and don't forget the coke 18:22 < Catonic_lp> costa rica, I'm told, is a great place to go if you're single and have some cash. 18:22 < cerkit> It costs more to fab those chips than cars in Detroit. 18:23 <@M0j0-j0j0> Catonic_lp: yeah, I have a buddy that's working the gambling site thing down there.. and he loves it 18:23 <@Drag0n> "aggressively reducing component inventories." isnt that another word for "having a sale"? 18:23 <@Drag0n> our prices are Insane!!!! 18:24 < cerkit> no 18:24 < cerkit> not neccessary 18:24 < cerkit> It could mean order cancellations 18:24 < cerkit> http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=INTC 18:24 <@Drag0n> they are either selling or destroying 18:24 <@M0j0-j0j0> Drag0n: no, "aggressively" would be burning the warehouse down and collecting the insurance 18:24 < cerkit> Profit Margin (ttm):18.29% 18:24 < cerkit> Operating Margin (ttm):27.84% 18:24 <@polerin> Catonic_lp: the funny thing is that I was actually done with the thread 18:24 <@Drag0n> hehe,mafia inventory control? 18:24 <@polerin> He proved my point better than I ever could 18:24 < cerkit> Here is the ugly stuff... 18:25 < cerkit> Revenue (ttm):40.07B 18:25 < cerkit> Revenue Per Share (ttm):6.991 18:25 < cerkit> Qtrly Revenue Growth (yoy):1.30% 18:25 < cerkit> Gross Profit (ttm):19.90B 18:25 < cerkit> EBITDA (ttm):15.72B 18:25 < cerkit> Net Income Avl to Common (ttm):7.33B 18:25 < cerkit> Diluted EPS (ttm):1.25 18:25 < cerkit> Qtrly Earnings Growth (yoy):12.50% 18:25 <@M0j0-j0j0> MIC system 18:25 < cerkit> Balance Sheet 18:25 < cerkit> Total Cash (mrq):12.20B 18:25 < cerkit> Total Cash Per Share (mrq):2.194 18:25 < cerkit> Total Debt (mrq):2.36B 18:25 < cerkit> Total Debt/Equity (mrq):0.061 18:25 < cerkit> Current Ratio (mrq):2.128 18:25 < cerkit> Book Value Per Share (mrq):6.996 18:25 < cerkit> Cash Flow Statement 18:25 < cerkit> Operating Cash Flow (ttm):13.06B 18:25 < cerkit> Levered Free Cash Flow (ttm):7.99B 18:25 <@M0j0-j0j0> ... 18:26 <@M0j0-j0j0> Spending a quiet evening on IRC: Priceless 18:26 < cerkit> High costs, reasonable debt, high potential growth indicators, but overall, it looks like a giant partially cooked Goose. 18:26 -!- C-P [n=HappyDan@208.179.160.78] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.3/2008092417]"] 18:26 < cerkit> To see what a Goose cooked to the point of becoming and giant, charred hole in the scortched Earrth.. 18:27 < cerkit> just look at GM 18:27 < cerkit> http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=GM 18:27 < cerkit> Thats basically a tempate for how NOT to run your company. 18:27 -!- tcstool [n=tcstool@74-38-177-120.dsl1.ckvl.tn.frontiernet.net] has joined #se2600 18:27 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o tcstool] by ChanServ 18:27 < Catonic_lp> omg... I think the line just blurred for me. 18:28 <@M0j0-j0j0> cerkit: that's because they stopped making the best truck on earth ever...the sonoma 18:28 < Catonic_lp> I spontaneously started dancing to Katy Perry. 18:28 < cerkit> Book Value Per Share (mrq):-98.185997 18:28 < cerkit> That makes GM one of the few equities, you can buy as a stock, valuated as a bond, hjahahaha 18:28 < cerkit> equity with a negative book value, hjahaha 18:29 < cerkit> theres no equity, you're just buying debt, as if it were a bond 18:29 < cerkit> heh 18:29 < cerkit> Its the world kind of bond too, if it goes to 0, you can't become a creditor. 18:29 <@M0j0-j0j0> a bond that you have to pay money instead of cashing in 18:29 < cerkit> world's 18:30 < cerkit> You just lose. 18:30 < cerkit> So, in that way, its nothing like a bond. 18:30 <@M0j0-j0j0> so it's like being a parent 18:30 < cerkit> No, buying GM atock is like taking $98 out of your pocket, and burning them, for each share youbuy 18:30 <@M0j0-j0j0> you just fail 18:30 < cerkit> So, its nothing like a bond. 18:30 <@M0j0-j0j0> cerkit: which would be like ... being a parent 18:31 -!- rattle [n=rattle@tor/regular/rattle] has joined #se2600 18:31 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o rattle] by ChanServ 18:31 <@M0j0-j0j0> maybe someone from GM will take the trash out 18:32 < cerkit> Probably not, GM will have the US Gov do that for them 18:32 < cerkit> :) 18:32 <@M0j0-j0j0> I bought a ton of company stock when it was around 70.. now it's around 1.5 18:32 < cerkit> in GM? 18:32 <@M0j0-j0j0> MNI 18:32 < cerkit> MNI was never at 70 18:33 <@M0j0-j0j0> cerkit: like 4 years ago I think it was up to 75(ish) 18:33 < cerkit> oh wait 18:33 < cerkit> right 18:33 < cerkit> historical chart 18:33 < cerkit> 20 year 18:33 < cerkit> had to go back some 18:33 < cerkit> :) 18:33 < cerkit> M0j0-j0j0: So are you still holding it? down 69 pts? 18:34 <@M0j0-j0j0> cerkit: well, I don't see the point in dumping it now... I might as we go..all..the..way 18:34 <@M0j0-j0j0> we/well 18:34 < cerkit> M0j0-j0j0: I mean, first off, its pretty balls to buy a $70/share paper media stock. 18:35 < cerkit> You must had just done LSD or something. 18:35 < cerkit> But, as far as this decline, yeah, at this point, hold. 18:35 < cerkit> They've taken from you what they could. 18:35 < cerkit> No reason to finalize it, yet. 18:35 <@M0j0-j0j0> cerkit: well, if you look at the history before that point... it was a no brainer... it was just going up and up and up for years and year 18:35 < cerkit> thats just my point 18:35 < cerkit> the history before that point was 18:35 < cerkit> ONLY paper media 18:36 < cerkit> the history to be made ahead, was the end of paper media (mostly)O 18:36 < cerkit> hence my WTFing 18:36 < cerkit> It would be like buying any financial services investment banker 6 months ago. 18:36 <@M0j0-j0j0> well, I figured that if paper media was really going to die it would have done it before 2006 18:37 < cerkit> You're buying into the peak of a huge historical bubble. 18:37 <@M0j0-j0j0> yeah 18:37 < cerkit> Paper media will go away 18:37 < cerkit> But it will require generations of users being deprecated (through retirement or death) 18:37 < cerkit> in order for new media forms to fully become replacements, rather then novelties. 18:37 <@M0j0-j0j0> cerkit: death 18:38 < cerkit> In order words, it will take time. 18:38 < cerkit> So, that was just a bad call. 18:38 < cerkit> (all the way around_) 18:38 <@M0j0-j0j0> cerkit: yeah... this is the slowest moving industry I've ever been around 18:39 < cerkit> If you're looking for a no-nonsense, don't look back investment, like you were with paper media... 18:39 < cerkit> Look into Water Utilities, Distributions and Solutions companies. 18:39 < cerkit> You can access some through any one of these ETFs: PHO, CGW, FIW 18:40 < cerkit> Or, a more near-term play: BCO (Brinks Corporate Security_ 18:40 <@brimstone> too many TLAs! 18:40 < cerkit> M0j0-j0j0 18:40 < cerkit> M0j0-j0j0: people generally need water... and security 18:40 < cerkit> :) 18:41 < cerkit> if those trades don't work... get in a bunker, and look for the pack of blue pills. 18:41 < cerkit> :) 18:41 <@M0j0-j0j0> cerkit: I figure it has to come up a little once this slump is over.. I don't think (without a major change to the company) it will every be back up in the 70s.. but I can see it making it to the 10~15 range in the next 5 years 18:41 < cerkit> clear 18:41 < cerkit> M0j0-j0j0: I made 20% just today 18:41 < cerkit> on a single trade 18:42 <@M0j0-j0j0> cerkit: yeah, but day trading isn't my deal 18:42 < cerkit> Me either! I'm a value investor! 18:42 < cerkit> Long termer. 18:43 < cerkit> But if I can get 10 years of gains in a day... 18:43 < cerkit> All that makes me is a smart-term, investory 18:43 < cerkit> investor* 18:44 < cerkit> M0j0-j0j0: check out BGZ -- it returns 3 X the performance of the russel 1000 large caps. 18:44 < cerkit> So, today, the DOW was way down... 18:44 < cerkit> anmd I'm... 3 X that, up./ 18:44 < cerkit> 3 X the inverse performance, sorry 18:44 -!- C-P [n=HappyDan@208.179.160.78] has joined #se2600 18:44 < cerkit> http://finance.google.com/finance?q=bgz 18:44 < cerkit> I got in at 66 18:45 -!- ziplock [i=nobody@pdpc/supporter/professional/ziplock] has left #se2600 [] 18:45 < cerkit> its now 92 18:45 < cerkit> once this is over... 18:45 < cerkit> and the market pitches forward... 18:45 < cerkit> i'll buy DDM & SSO 18:46 < cerkit> they're 2 x the positive performance of (DDM) the Dow 30 (SSO) the S&P 500 18:46 < cerkit> Its easy. 18:47 <@M0j0-j0j0> once this is over... I think I'm going to get out of it completely and do something that's lower risk like give my money to TelcoBob to hold. 18:47 -!- rattle [n=rattle@tor/regular/rattle] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:48 <@M0j0-j0j0> I'm gettin ready to cut out of the office 18:48 <@M0j0-j0j0> I'll catch you guys later 18:48 <@M0j0-j0j0> or really early in the morning 18:48 <@M0j0-j0j0> 7:30AM meeting.... 18:48 <@M0j0-j0j0> who does that?! 18:49 -!- M0j0-j0j0 [n=Mojo_Joj@rrcs-70-62-123-52.midsouth.biz.rr.com] has quit ["wait... who are you again?"] 18:52 -!- arafatm [n=arafatm@c-69-245-46-249.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:52 -!- arafatm [n=arafatm@c-69-245-46-249.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 18:52 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o arafatm] by ChanServ 18:52 -!- C-P [n=HappyDan@208.179.160.78] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.3/2008092417]"] 18:52 -!- Neoteric [n=timball@mail.sunlightfoundation.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:57 -!- maco [n=maco@ubuntu/member/macogw] has joined #se2600 18:57 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o maco] by ChanServ 19:01 -!- tcstool [n=tcstool@74-38-177-120.dsl1.ckvl.tn.frontiernet.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:03 < Catonic_lp> I am a sick bastard. 19:06 <@polerin> welll yes. 19:06 <@polerin> but.. care to enlighten us as to why you say that? 19:07 <@aestetix> Apparently the Lockers were guests on the first season on SNL 19:10 -!- maco [n=maco@ubuntu/member/macogw] has quit ["leaving"] 19:15 -!- maco [n=maco@ubuntu/member/macogw] has joined #se2600 19:15 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o maco] by ChanServ 19:19 -!- maco [n=maco@ubuntu/member/macogw] has quit [Client Quit] 19:20 <@rhia> Catonic_lp: list: hehehe 19:23 <@timoguin> whoa... 19:23 <@timoguin> I just fell asleep sitting on the couch watching The Colbert Report on Hulu. 19:25 <@timoguin> That was one helluva 10 minute nap. 19:27 < Catonic_lp> polerin: I don't remember. 19:32 -!- sasquatc4 [i=sasquatc@c-76-25-86-246.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 19:32 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o sasquatc4] by ChanServ 19:39 <@rhia> flipped to Time Warp on Discovery - 19:39 <@rhia> there's just something about a really good whip artist 19:42 -!- oddball [n=oddball@c-69-180-225-98.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 19:42 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o oddball] by ChanServ 19:48 -!- sasquatc4 [i=sasquatc@c-76-25-86-246.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [] 19:49 < cerkit> very supersitious... writings on the wall 19:49 < cerkit> very supersitious... letters 'bout to fall 19:50 < cerkit> Stevie Wonder is fantastic 19:51 -!- tcstool [n=tcstool@74-38-177-120.dsl1.ckvl.tn.frontiernet.net] has joined #se2600 19:51 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o tcstool] by ChanServ 19:51 < cerkit> My neighbors are (forcedtobe)loving him right now. 19:52 -!- DigitalIrony [n=eric@nat/digium/x-faabb66eee8e3760] has quit ["Leaving."] 19:52 -!- DigitalIrony [n=eric@nat/digium/x-89db74c81e4247f1] has joined #se2600 19:54 <@Dagmar> Wow 19:54 <@Dagmar> CNN is being mellow today 19:54 <@scort> about what 19:55 <@Dagmar> They were talking with Mark Foley and they left something he said unquestioned and unchallenged... 19:55 <@Dagmar> Specifically, Foley said that those text messages might have been unacceptable, but that they don't mean he's a pedophile 19:55 <@rhia> CNN annoys me, FOX irritates me, MSNBC amuses me .... BBC sometimes gets the 'News' part right 19:56 <@Dagmar> ...and I'm thinking, actually they do mean he's a pedophile. 19:56 <@rhia> CNN leaves a lot of statements unquestioned 19:56 <@Dagmar> Well, maybe they figured it was so obviously false it didn't bear questioning 19:56 <@Dagmar> They were putting him in their "Rogues Gallery" after all 19:56 < cerkit> Mass media is essentially trash 19:56 < cerkit> unless you largely know what you're looking to know anyway 19:56 -!- droops [n=erickson@74.193.240.17] has joined #se2600 19:57 <@Dagmar> Wait I got the quote wrong, he said that _flirting with yound boys doesn't make him a pedophile_ 19:57 < cerkit> Flirting with boys makes him worse than a pedophile 19:58 <@rhia> but American audio/video news .... isnt' news ... at least E! admits to being nothing but trivial BS, the rest try so hard to pretend their 'serious' ... pfft 19:59 < cerkit> I always wanted to put "pedophile" down on the suggestion forms for jobs you'd fill out for you High School Advisor. 19:59 <@Drag0n> no, what makes him worse, is the fact he did it while charing the commitie that was intended to protect them for that very thing 19:59 <@rhia> note, E! wasn't in my list of things I can ever tolerate, not a fan child, but at least their honest about their superficiality and partiality 20:00 <@Dagmar> Last I checked, merely engaging in those sorts of things with underaged people makes you a pedo 20:00 <@rhia> chairing, luv - but considering the circumstances, charring is appropriate as well 20:00 <@Dagmar> Foley seems to think there's some technicality about balls touching or something 20:01 < cerkit> Dagmar: Tell him to stop splitting pre-pubecent cunthairs. 20:01 <@rhia> Foley also made attempts to take it more physical (and some say he did succeed, but the boys are too ashamed to come full public on it) 20:02 < cerkit> Why don't any of these sexual deviants ever approach me? 20:02 < cerkit> *pouts* 20:02 <@rhia> cerkit: cuz you're too old, you can grow facial hair 20:02 < cerkit> I'm covered in facial hair. 20:03 <@rhia> cerkit: sad, i know ... 20:03 -!- jnds [n=ljugo@adsl-217-149-188.owb.bellsouth.net] has joined #se2600 20:03 < cerkit> sad? 20:03 <@rhia> sarcasm 20:03 < cerkit> its whats under the hair... thats sad 20:03 < cerkit> Its natures cover up your ugly -- facial hair, that iss. 20:04 <@rhia> cerkit: don't be sad ... "Don't worry, Be happy" 20:04 < cerkit> And I take full advantage. 20:04 * rhia ducks and runs 20:04 < cerkit> If it was socially acceptable to walk around masked... 20:04 < cerkit> I would be one of those people. 20:07 < cerkit> Alright now its time to go do some hardcore drugs. 20:07 < cerkit> Please sit tight. 20:08 * rhia offers cerkit a hug 20:08 <@rhia> been rather ... uncharacteristically (in channel, at least) down on yourself today 20:09 < cerkit> I've taken way too many pills 20:09 <@scort> mmm drugs 20:09 < cerkit> and seen way too much YouTube 20:09 <@scort> rhia i brought my mobo back to life 20:09 * Catonic_lp cabbage patches 20:09 < cerkit> with Ben "Helicopter" Bernanke 20:09 < cerkit> And Hank Paulson 20:10 < cerkit> and I'm stuck on a life of charts full of fib retracements and macd values... 20:11 < cerkit> my only hope for solace is to drown out all that I truly comprehend, so I can momentary ignore this idea that tomorrow will come. 20:11 <@rhia> scort: proud papa =) 20:11 < cerkit> Its simple. 20:11 < cerkit> And repetitive. 20:11 <@rhia> cerkit: embrace random silliness - wonderful for improving moods 20:11 < cerkit> And usually accompanied by good music. 20:12 < cerkit> rhia: Okay-- I just did, I swallowed another lozapam 20:12 < cerkit> woo-hoo 20:12 < cerkit> random!#!@ 20:12 < cerkit> ftw!@ 20:12 < cerkit> that good? 20:12 <@scort> no 20:12 <@scort> stfu 20:13 < cerkit> scort: By your powers combined, I am Capt. Quiet. 20:13 < cerkit> <-- gone, smoking a blunt 20:14 * AstralSin wishes he had a blunt :/ 20:14 < AstralSin> i'm back on the wagon! 20:14 <@scort> lol blunt 20:15 < AstralSin> actually, i don't really care for blunts, i'm good with a bowl 20:15 <@scort> well im out 20:15 <@scort> of weed 20:15 <@scort> been out 20:15 <@scort> so i get a bad temper 20:16 < AstralSin> before monday night, i hadn't really smoked anything in 4 months 20:16 < AstralSin> my buddy looked like a cartoon when he left 20:16 <@scort> lolol 20:16 <@scort> damn wtf you smokin 20:17 < AstralSin> oh, the guy that brought it over always has the endo 20:17 < AstralSin> some old school shit 20:18 <@scort> nice 20:19 <@scort> im too poor to afford the good shit 20:19 <@scort> so im stuck with the mexi brick schwag 20:19 < AstralSin> he gets it cheap from old people that grow it 20:19 <@scort> lol old people 20:19 <@scort> in the backhills of TN? 20:19 < AstralSin> pretty much 20:19 <@scort> next door is the meth lab? 20:20 < AstralSin> there is no one next door 20:20 <@scort> .... 20:20 <@scort> im saying in general 20:20 < AstralSin> these people live out in the middle of nowhere 20:20 <@scort> tn is in the middle of nowhere 20:21 < AstralSin> heh, well they live under the middle of nowhere then :) 20:21 < AstralSin> FUCK what was i about to do 20:21 < AstralSin> oh yeah 20:21 <+Peaches84> hello 20:21 < AstralSin> hi 20:23 <@rhia> evening, Peaches84 20:24 <@rhia> scort: used to get mine from the back 40 of the sheriff of the next county over .... back in the days dinosaurs roamed the earth and I still smoked 20:25 <@rhia> 3rd generation farmer - he knew his plants 20:25 < AstralSin> very nice 20:26 <+Peaches84> how are you rhia 20:26 <@rhia> Peaches84: doing well, yourself? 20:28 <+Peaches84> i am good looking thru some mail fixin to eat soon 20:28 <@rhia> read that as "good looking" - from your video.... i'd agree 20:29 <@rhia> tho your fashion sense makes me envious 20:30 < cerkit> if you think her fashion senses are hawt, mine will blow you away 20:30 < cerkit> ! 20:30 <@rhia> hehehe 20:31 < cerkit> Peaches84: is Peaches your real name? 20:32 -!- ShadowHntr [n=sentinel@wikipedia/Shadowhntr] has quit ["Leaving"] 20:32 < cerkit> hmm 20:33 < cerkit> no comment. 20:33 < cerkit> oh well, back to my music 20:37 -!- Neoteric [n=timball@dsl092-160-052.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #se2600 20:37 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Neoteric] by ChanServ 20:38 -!- jnds [n=ljugo@adsl-217-149-188.owb.bellsouth.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 20:42 <+Peaches84> My name is Teryl 20:42 <+Peaches84> sorry was listening to music 20:42 <+Peaches84> sorry 20:44 -!- jnds [n=ljugo@adsl-217-149-188.owb.bellsouth.net] has joined #se2600 20:49 -!- jnds [n=ljugo@adsl-217-149-188.owb.bellsouth.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 20:50 -!- C-P [n=HappyDan@ip65-46-14-94.z14-46-65.customer.algx.net] has joined #se2600 20:56 < Catonic_lp> There's something aweful about having emmy rossum right next to wrecks n effect 20:57 < cerkit> ./clear 20:57 -!- Neoteric [n=timball@dsl092-160-052.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 20:58 -!- rattle [n=rattle@tor/regular/rattle] has joined #se2600 20:58 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o rattle] by ChanServ 20:59 <@scort> /clear for cerkit 21:00 <@brimstone> /clear-assist! 21:00 <@scort> c-c-c--c-cc-ccombot=breaker 21:06 -!- C-P [n=HappyDan@ip65-46-14-94.z14-46-65.customer.algx.net] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.83 [Firefox 3.0.3/2008092417]"] 21:15 <@rhia> Catonic_lp: thought you didn't "pay that much attention to Rossum" ;) 21:16 <@rhia> and Sarah Brightman Cynthia McKennitt have a better voice 21:17 <@rhia> missed and & in there 21:17 <@scort> possum 21:19 <@rhia> -d - plus, no 'd' in opossum ;) 21:21 -!- Neoteric [n=timball@dsl092-160-052.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #se2600 21:21 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Neoteric] by ChanServ 21:23 < Catonic_lp> rhia: not her voice. 21:23 <@scort> http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/11/12/funny-pictures-coffee-mug-an-teh-liddul-nekkid-angel-stachoo/ 21:23 < Catonic_lp> but anytime a note is held for more than a second, and a 1Hz or greater rate is used to warble around the center note, it grates 21:23 * Catonic_lp heads for the car 21:23 <@scort> opossum 21:35 < AstralSin> fuck 21:35 < AstralSin> i go to download a bios update for my laptop... which doesn't ship with a floppy... and the update requires a floppy drive 21:35 < AstralSin> way to go sony 21:44 <@Drag0n> not as bad as packardhell shipping a recover cd that uses 1.2 gb of drive space on a 1 gb drive system 21:45 < Catonic_> aweslam 21:45 -!- Catonic_ is now known as Catonic 21:45 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Catonic] by ChanServ 21:45 <@rhia> Catonic_lp: obviously not 21:52 -!- Neoteric [n=timball@dsl092-160-052.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:59 < cerkit> i'm not locked off 21:59 < cerkit> oops 22:00 <@brimstone> AstralSin: i've pxebooted a dos image with memdisk to upgrade bioses before 22:08 <@scort> niiiiiiiiiice 22:08 <@scort> how do i do that 22:08 <@scort> jfgi? 22:08 <@Drag0n> thats dangerous, in the middle of the flash, packet loss 22:08 <@aestetix> vagina 22:09 <@scort> wouldn't it load it to ram first? 22:09 <@Dagmar> *memdisk* 22:09 <@Dagmar> scort++ 22:09 <@Drag0n> if its smart enough to do a checksum 22:09 <@Dagmar> I've actually used FreeDOS bootable CDs to get around the floppy requirement 22:10 <@Catonic> sup aestetix 22:10 <@brimstone> scort: yeah, get a freedos disk, etc 22:10 <@Dagmar> ...but then I also kept s slimmed-down XP partition on my Vaio just in case I needed to do a BIOS update 22:17 -!- tcstool [n=tcstool@74-38-177-120.dsl1.ckvl.tn.frontiernet.net] has quit [" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Chicks dig it"] 22:22 <@brimstone> herm, so i have views and controllers figured out, now to figure out models... 22:26 < dasunt> Bored. 22:26 <@scort> radvd? 22:27 <@Catonic> o/" if you're bored then you're boring o/" 22:27 <@Drag0n> plank 22:27 -!- C-P [n=HappyDan@cpe-66-74-233-196.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #se2600 22:27 <@scort> o/`* 22:32 <@rhia> dasunt: again? 22:37 <@aestetix> http://img.4chan.org/b/src/1226550923474.jpg 22:37 <@aestetix> (nsfw) 22:37 <@brimstone> it's /b/, almost always nsfw 22:38 <@scort> Pulp.Fiction.1994.iNT.720p.HDTV.x264.MultiDub.CZ-CB/ 22:39 * rhia wanders off to grumble about the "bailout" that, $450B into a black hole is just now seeing, oh, maybe we should, possibly, kind of look at something besides $megacorp BS and look at the Actual issues .... grrrrrr 22:42 <@rhia> aestetix: the reason for your posting that particular image is ....? you like kiddie-esque porn? or you're feeling particularly trollish this evening? 22:42 <@scort> dasunt, http://www.catswhothrowupgrass.com/kill.html 22:45 <@Catonic> is there a myth irc channel? 22:46 <@Dagmar> Catonic: You mean for MythTV? 22:46 <@Catonic> yeah 22:46 <@Dagmar> Dude. /whois me 22:46 <@scort> * [Dagmar] @#se2600 22:47 <@Dagmar> Oh wait, maybe the +s is messing with things 22:47 <@Catonic> | Dagmar (i=dagmar@unaffiliated/dagmar) (unknown) 22:47 <@Catonic> . ircname : Fuck McCain and his fascist friends 22:47 <@Catonic> | channels : @#se2600 22:47 <@Dagmar> Yes. #MythTV-users 22:47 <@Dagmar> i've been in there for ages. 22:47 <@scort> ctcp 22:47 <@scort> action 22:50 * brimstone actions! 23:03 <@aestetix> rhia: need to spread the image around. Even if I clear my cache, it's still discoverable from my hdd if you do a forensic study. This way, I can provide the Feds with like 20 more IP addresses of places I got it from, and when they break down the door and do forensic scans on all your drives, I come out clean. Or you join me in the slammer. 23:05 <@someninjalearnin> aestetix: not if you do a clean write of the drive with all 0's 23:05 <@someninjalearnin> from lba 0 on 23:05 <@aestetix> Electron microscopy, my friend. 23:05 <@someninjalearnin> it doesnt work 23:05 <@tzanger> aestetix: tht image is a 404 23:05 <@someninjalearnin> or not in a practical fasion 23:06 <@someninjalearnin> that image would take months to even attempt doing that 23:06 <@Catonic> but, what if I DBAN my disk 255 times? 23:07 <@someninjalearnin> Catonic: im in scotts moltons data recovery class this week 23:07 <@someninjalearnin> all it really takes is onec 23:08 <@someninjalearnin> the only way that a magnetic microscope would be of any use is on a text file 23:08 <@someninjalearnin> even then it would be hit or miss 23:08 -!- C-P [n=HappyDan@cpe-66-74-233-196.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:09 <@Corydon76-dig> someninjalearnin: the question really comes down to, how much do they really want to spend to recover the data? 23:09 <@someninjalearnin> right 23:09 <@someninjalearnin> one of the guys in my class is an investagator for the ftc 23:09 <@Corydon76-dig> someninjalearnin: and secondarily, what techniques does the US govt have that they're not willing to admit to? 23:09 <@someninjalearnin> he says that use it in very rare cases 23:10 <@someninjalearnin> Corydon76-dig: the ammount of data you can extract that way is very little 23:10 <@Corydon76-dig> someninjalearnin: right, because the process costs something on the realm of $50k and up 23:10 <@someninjalearnin> for what little data there is there 23:11 <@Corydon76-dig> someninjalearnin: That's not something I'm willing to bet on 23:11 <@someninjalearnin> i would be 23:11 <@someninjalearnin> because the data is going 23:11 <@someninjalearnin> gone 23:11 <@Catonic> I'll just settle for thermite. 23:11 <@Corydon76-dig> Well, I might, considering what data I actually have on MY hard drive 23:11 <@someninjalearnin> for the most part they are trying to read that little bit off the outside edge of the track 23:12 <@Corydon76-dig> but when it comes down to data in general, that's not a risk I'd be willing to take 23:13 <@someninjalearnin> i have been looking at the motherboard that support e-nova 23:13 <@someninjalearnin> scott was showing me them on monday 23:13 <@someninjalearnin> 256 aes encryption for the full drive 23:14 <@someninjalearnin> if you really want to nuke a new drive just throw it at a wall and shatter the platters 23:15 <@someninjalearnin> assuming it was made fairly recently 23:15 <@Corydon76-dig> If I really wanted to nuke a drive, I'd send it through an industrial chopper 23:15 <@someninjalearnin> you dont really have to with the new ones 23:16 <@someninjalearnin> you can just break the drives 23:16 <@Corydon76-dig> How new? 23:16 <@someninjalearnin> i think he said after 03 23:16 <@Corydon76-dig> For instance, how about my 30GB drives? 23:16 <@someninjalearnin> and some ibm drives vefore that 23:16 <@someninjalearnin> those are proably metal 23:16 <@someninjalearnin> if you sandpaper those they are gon 23:17 <@Corydon76-dig> Yeah, but I want something easy. Industrial grinder does all the work for me 23:17 <@Corydon76-dig> Or thermite 23:17 <@rhia> aestetix: sorry, litterbox emptying was more important - so, you don't have a decent scrub utility? 23:17 <@someninjalearnin> rhia what are you scrubbing 23:18 <@someninjalearnin> in terms of os 23:19 <@rhia> someninjalearnin: eh, picking on aestetix - not worried about one or two image from channel - i log - i can show any TLA where the suspicious link came from 23:20 <@someninjalearnin> haha 23:21 <@rhia> someninjalearnin: and - kernel = linux 23:21 <@rhia> since you asked 23:25 <@rhia> Corydon76-dig: a few 50 cals work pretty well as a final denouement (on top of other scrubs) ;) 23:25 <@someninjalearnin> i think mhdd will nuke a drive pretty well 23:26 <@someninjalearnin> the one included with macs does a good job with a secure write 23:26 <@rhia> miss the magnet my dad brought home from clearing runways in 'Nam ... that sucker used to warp the TV from the shed - 40 yards away 23:26 <@rhia> slightly powerful 23:26 <@someninjalearnin> just remember if you can still format the drive 23:27 <@someninjalearnin> it didnt erase it 23:27 <@rhia> someninjalearnin: hence the 50 cals 23:27 <@someninjalearnin> a bullet hole ends it 23:27 <@someninjalearnin> unless they want to bust out the microscope 23:28 <@rhia> that bloody magnet was -heavy_ ... but it could pull a nail from 3" of hardpacked clay at 5 feet 23:29 <@rhia> you did NOT carry it over suspicious ground w/o standing well behind it wearing leather boots 23:30 <@rhia> we found all kinds of interesting metal on that land just carrying it to the shed 23:32 <@polerin> hehe 23:33 -!- droops [n=erickson@74.193.240.17] has quit [] 23:34 <@rhia> polerin: sad thing is, i'm not exaggerating - well, maybe, the shed was more like 40 feet - misstyped ... damn thing killed 2 tvs and 4 harddrives before we relocated it 23:35 -!- k4k [n=ted@c-24-98-85-32.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 23:35 <@rhia> weighed nearly 100 lbs - pulled the nails out of the shed roof - literally ... dad finally donated it somewhere to get rid of it 23:35 <@rhia> thing was a beast 23:37 <@rhia> to this day i'm paranoid about magnets ;) 23:38 <@rhia> course, the harddrives it killed were dad's massive 5MB ones 23:38 <@someninjalearnin> if you have ever tried to pull the voice coil off of a hard drive you will be amazed the damn thing works 23:39 <@polerin> well, I'm pretty sure that it would mess with my crt if I put it in my shed 23:39 <@polerin> as well as likely dismantling that piece of crap. 23:39 -!- I-MOD_ [n=I-MOD@c-68-62-216-5.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 23:39 <@rhia> dad originally stored it on the back porch - Not good 23:39 <@polerin> heh 23:39 <@polerin> man 23:39 <@polerin> I got to take a break from the crap code out there 23:40 <@polerin> I've become a much better programmer since I've started this job, but I haven't been as bad as the hackjobs I was dealing with for a long time 23:41 -!- I-MOD [n=I-MOD@c-68-62-216-5.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 23:41 -!- strages [n=strages@c-68-62-216-5.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 23:42 -!- strages [n=strages@c-68-62-216-5.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 23:42 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o strages] by ChanServ 23:43 * Peaches84 looks at Corydon76-dig while he goes dancing thru the house to thriller dance mix 23:44 <@rhia> Peaches84: TMI - not the dancing, not the relationship - but "Thriller Dance Mix"? spare us! 23:45 <+Peaches84> me/ turns music off grabs robl tickle me elmo and walks away with his blankey 23:47 <@polerin> oookay. 23:48 <@polerin> buthole surfers it is. That should clear my mind of the imagery. 23:51 <@scort> Peaches84, wrong window 23:51 -!- strages [n=strages@c-68-62-216-5.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 23:52 -!- strages [n=strages@c-68-62-216-5.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 23:52 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o strages] by ChanServ 23:52 <@rhia> Peaches84: the command is slash me /me ... not me slash me/ 23:53 <@unixfag> pfft, / me is so old. me/ is the new thing. haven't you heard? 23:56 <+Peaches84> i know 23:57 <+Peaches84> ok i will leave 23:57 <+Peaches84> polerin sorry to bother ya 23:57 <@rhia> Peaches84: ahh... joking! no bother 23:57 <@rhia> esp from polerin 23:58 <@rhia> and definitely not me .... just ask Corydon --- Log closed Thu Nov 13 00:00:40 2008