--- Log opened Mon Nov 03 00:00:18 2008
00:11 <@Catonic> mia paper planes
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01:35 <@Catonic>  Unknown Aircraft: "I'm f***ing bored!".
01:35 <@Catonic> Air Traffic Control: "Last aircraft transmitting, identify yourself immediately!!"
01:35 <@Catonic> Unknown Aircraft: "I said I was f***ing bored, not f***ing stupid!"
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07:54 <@Peaches84> Goodmorning how is everyone
08:07 <@brimstone> graa
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08:12 <@M0j0-j0j0> anyone use Konversation?
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08:25 < aestetix_> Damn it.
08:25 < aestetix_> I always forget to book my train tickets early enough to get a discount.
08:26 <@M0j0-j0j0> aestetix_: Well.... at least it's not sold out yet
08:28 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
08:29  * aestetix_ hugs Dolemite 
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08:32 <@Peaches84> he dolemite
08:34 < jnds> Time to drive to faraway lands for new opportunities
08:34 <@Peaches84> Yeah i wish i didn't have to go answer those damn phones today
08:35  * Catonic doesn't feel the love for Dolemite 
08:35  * Catonic wants to carve a new hole so he can feel "fresh" love.
08:37 <@Dolemite> Catonic : You keep your carving knife away from me.
08:43 < aestetix_> I just started using facebook.
08:44 < aestetix_> I don't understand how people tolerate having every little update recorded.
08:47 <@M0j0-j0j0> mornin Dolemite
08:48 <@M0j0-j0j0> Peaches84: I bet someone in your area could take out your phones for a day :)
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09:00 <@M0j0-j0j0> morning ziplock
09:01 <@ziplock> haya
09:04 <@Catonic_lp> sup zip
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09:09 <@Catonic_lp> all: I shall return
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09:11 < polerin> http://punditkitchen.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/political-pictures-john-mccain-cindy-mccain-longevity.jpg
09:11 < polerin> bahahhahahaha
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09:26 <@Dolemite> ROFLMAO...   have you heard the prank call that a Montreal radio station made to Sarah Palin, pretending to be Nicholas Sarkozy?
09:27 <@rhia> oh yeah .....
09:27 <@I-MOD> how did that go down?
09:28 <@Dolemite> Requested Changes
09:28 <@Dolemite> Wed 05 Nov - 15485Change routes to push traffic thru ASR routers
09:28 <@Dolemite> Wed 05 Nov - 15489Establish IP connectivity between SOX and Research-6509
09:28 <@Dolemite> Wed 05 Nov - 15511Move CLDAP service to new Infrastrructure
09:28 <@Dolemite> Thu 06 Nov - 15510Deploy PBXPager Application phase II update
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09:28 < Dolemite> ugh, stupid paste buffer
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09:28 < Dolemite> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbEwKcs-7Hc
09:28 < Dolemite> that's what I meant to post
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09:30 < aestetix_> Yeah, that prank call was epic.
09:30 <@rhia> that woman is an affront triple digit IQs
09:30 < aestetix_> I wish they had made the call collect.
09:30 < aestetix_> That would have made it priceless.
09:32 <@I-MOD> lol
09:33 < aestetix_> "Sorry, the french economy is suffering and we can't afford a regular international call..."
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09:43 <@SkyDog_> Morning all.
09:43 <@Dolemite> w00f
09:44 <@sdodson> hi
09:44 <@sdodson> cows > dogs
09:45 < aestetix_> sdodson: that's what she said.
09:46 <@Dolemite> I got 2 phone calls yesterday from a robodialer Bill Frist for John McCain.  If I had been considering voting for McCain up until that point, the phone call would have cinched my vote for Obama.
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09:46 < nated0g_wrk> morning everyone
09:46 < aestetix_> I haven't gotten any robodials.
09:46 <@Dolemite> robocalls < Jehovah's Witnesses
09:46 < aestetix_> I guess I have managed to stay off all the lists.
09:48 <@sdodson> Haha, dolemite considered voting for mccain.
09:48 <@sdodson> aestetix_: do you have a land line?
09:48 < aestetix_> sdodson: no
09:49 <@sdodson> Well there you go.
09:49 <@Dolemite> sdodson : Go back and read what I wrote.
09:49 <@rhia> sdodson: you're reading comprehension skills are as mediocre as usual
09:49 <@rhia> your
09:49  * rhia needs coffee
09:49 < _drunkass> rofl
09:49 < _drunkass> pwn
09:49 <@sdodson> Oh, I'll just blame it on needing coffee.
09:49 < _drunkass> let me make fun while i steer teh failboat
09:49 <@sdodson> It seems to be the hip thing to do.
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09:50 <@sdodson> don't hate, drunkass
09:50 < drunkass> always h8
09:50 <@ziplock> I've now received 44 robocalls from the Repubs since getting home from phreaknic.  3 today already
09:50 < drunkass> god damn i will be estatic when this fucking election is over
09:51 <@rhia> ziplock: don't have a landline .... works pretty well for not getting annoying calls like those
09:51 < drunkass> everyone masturbating over it like a highschool prom queen vote
09:51 <@Peaches84> mojo i work in a call center i am not sure i could get that to happen
09:52 <@ziplock> rhia, I only use my land line for DSL and the answering machine.  The machine makes it easy to count calls, none of my friends use that number so it's always ignored
09:52 < GodFix[HC]> http://godfixproductions.com/60.jpg SFW
09:52 <@Dolemite> I've gotten several robocalls, but Bill Frist is the biggest ass kisser of GW's that ever went to Washington, hence my reaction.
09:53 <@Peaches84> rhia: hey how are you doing today
09:54 <@rhia> gettin' by, thanks
09:54 < drunkass> GodFix[HC]: is that soalovely
09:54 < drunkass> or whoeva
09:54 <@Peaches84> your welcome yeah i am taking my meds and hoping to feel better soon i am a little under the weather but cain't call out they don't give you sick days where i work
09:54 < GodFix[HC]> nope, that's another girl that works here
09:54 <@Peaches84> hey drunkass
09:54 < GodFix[HC]> younger
09:55 < GodFix[HC]> half asian, half italian
09:55 <@sdodson> drunkass: zomg that's leet hostname
09:55 < drunkass> dayum
09:55 <@rhia> Peaches84: augh, hope your feel better soon - & losing work w/o pay sucks
09:55 < drunkass> 09:55 [niven] ,---Whois--< drunkass [i=w@i.gotz.teh.priviledged.hackerconsortium.info]
09:55 < drunkass> 09:55 [niven] | ircname  : drunkass
09:55 <@Peaches84> yeah well you miss work for being sick you get fired so
09:55 <@Peaches84> got to work
09:56 < aestetix_> I finished watching all of Twin Peaks last night.
09:56 < aestetix_> Now I gotta get Fire Walk With Me
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09:57 <@Peaches84> my caugh has got down in my chest so
09:57 <@Peaches84> i am fucked lol
09:57 <@rhia> Peaches84: damn.... make sure you cough on your bosses a lot
09:58 <@Peaches84> well i work in a call center so i am doing a good job of spreading \
09:59 <@Peaches84> i have lost 4 lbs since phreaknic
09:59 <@Peaches84> yay
09:59 <@Peaches84> rhia: are you on facebook or myspace
10:01 <@rhia> nah .... i'm too antisocial <g>
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10:01 <@ladymerlin> Neoteric: check your email
10:03 < SmthingPrductive> Surely somebody here uses a nice web app to manage rack layouts/ip allocations... Looking at things like nVentory, rackview, and some other things.  Suggestions?
10:07 < drunkass> Visio
10:17  * someninja[HC] hits drunkass with a bottle
10:18 <@Catonic_lp> Excel
10:19 <@Peaches84> later i am out got to go to  work
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10:21 <@Catonic_lp> What if I refuse?
10:21 <@Corydon76-lap> obviously, I missed a /
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10:24 <@Catonic_lp> http://readytwogo.net/ <- safe sex kits.
10:28 < aestetix_> hmm
10:28 < aestetix_> The Hacker Consortium
10:28 < aestetix_> THC
10:28 < aestetix_> Good name :)
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10:34 <@Shadow404> leave it to the raver to note the obvious
10:42 < aestetix_> has youtube been slow for anyone else?
10:45 <@Catonic_lp> No, 'cause I gotz big pipes.
10:52 <@Catonic_lp> My job got a whole lot easier to deal with when I accepted "I don't give a shit" as a core belief.
10:53 <@Shadow404> agreed
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11:00 <@nachoguy> I'm tryin real hard to adopt that mentality.  I'm not quite there yet
11:00 <@Catonic_lp> nachoguy: it helps when you've worked on the federal level
11:00 <@Shadow404> heh
11:01 <@Shadow404> try working on a mega ISP level
11:01 <@Catonic_lp> that's just a function of your coworkers...
11:02 <@Catonic_lp> I'm starting to to notice that the bottom fell out of tech a while ago, and there are a lot of dumbasses in tech.
11:02 <@Catonic_lp> like SkyDog_ for example.
11:02 <@Catonic_lp> ~time
11:02 <@ShadowHntr> oi ! i resemble that remark !
11:02 <@ShadowHntr> ;)
11:02 <@Shadow404> yes u do
11:02 <@Shadow404> now show up for work
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11:03 <@Catonic_lp> I shouldn't pick on SkyDog_, he's probably not even awake this time of morning.
11:03 <@ShadowHntr> Shadow404: i am. forced vacation - IBM hasn't paid my contract firm for the past few months and they've barred me from billing any further hours until this is straightened out. talk about panic overdrive :P
11:03 <@Shadow404> or hes planning your dumb silently
11:04 <@Catonic_lp> ShadowHntr's up in ur pipes whoaring ur stupid
11:04 < drunkass> ShadowHntr: lol what happened now
11:04 <@ShadowHntr> i don't know what you are saying !
11:04 <@ShadowHntr> drunkass: see above
11:04 <@nachoguy> my problem is I had responsabilites and had to care about things.  Now we're re-organizing, so I'm trying to stop
11:05 <@rhia> ShadowHntr: whyfore not they pay the contract firm?
11:05 < drunkass> ShadowHntr: forced vacation, what'd you do
11:05 <@ShadowHntr> rhia: they're just dragging their feet.
11:05 <@ShadowHntr> i didn't do anything.
11:05 <@rhia> ShadowHntr: can you grab some other smaller contracts in the meantime?
11:05 <@ShadowHntr> rhia: they've told me just to hang tight, that it won't take any more than 48 hrs
11:06 <@rhia> ShadowHntr: apparently IBM hasn't done anything either
11:06 <@ShadowHntr> and my bosses are willing to let me make up my hours
11:06 <@Catonic_lp> I didn't think we'd see a sucessor to wontonjoe this quickly.
11:06 <@rhia> ahh.... still  - unnerving
11:06 <@ShadowHntr> Catonic_lp: ?
11:06 <@ShadowHntr> rhia: yes, tell me about it. :P
11:07 <@Catonic_lp> ShadowHntr: you ain't got a job. Go flip burgers.
11:07 < drunkass> srsly
11:11 < SmthingPrductive> Ok... 2 girls at work last week... One said "I'm going on strike".  Second one said "Strike my ass!"... so I did
11:12 <@SkyDog_> SmthingPrductive: Pics or shens.
11:12 <@ShadowHntr> lol
11:12 < drunkass> ShadowHntr: so, now youre not getting paid to do nothing?
11:12 < drunkass> instead of getting paid to do nothing?
11:12 <@ShadowHntr> drunkass: well, i am an hourly employee...
11:12 <@Dolemite> I think he means that he struck someone in their ass
11:12 < SmthingPrductive> she did say "Strike my ass"
11:13 <@ShadowHntr> hehehehe
11:13 <@ShadowHntr> :D
11:13 < SmthingPrductive> so... I'm now in the doghouse with her... http://dmcmorris.net/~dmcmorris/doghouse.pdf
11:14 <@SkyDog_> ShadowHntr: What exactly do you do, anyway?
11:14 <@Dolemite> Channels YouTube videos to unsuspected coworkers!
11:14 <@ShadowHntr> SkyDog_: i'm a third-shift Linux/AIX system administrator for IBM's Global Expense Reporting System datacenter in Ashburn, Virginia
11:14 < drunkass> SmthingPrductive: lol interesting chart
11:15 <@ShadowHntr> maintaining over 150 system x and system p Linux and AIX servers
11:16 <@Dolemite> so did you move?
11:16 <@ShadowHntr> no
11:16 <@ShadowHntr> telecommute position
11:16 <@ShadowHntr> my entire team is remote
11:16 <@ShadowHntr> my boss is based out of Bowling Green
11:17 <@ShadowHntr> Remo Ford is on my team
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11:33 <@SkyDog_> ShadowHntr: But what have you done so far?
11:33 <@ShadowHntr> sat in on conference calls until they got me my laptop
11:34 <@ShadowHntr> now it's here but my boss hasn't gotten back with me with my vpn credentials
11:34 <@ShadowHntr> :P
11:34 <@SkyDog_> AH.
11:34 <@Dolemite> picked his nose
11:34 <@Dolemite> scratched his balls
11:34 <@ShadowHntr> Dolemite: rather that than masturbate while on a conference call
11:34 <@ShadowHntr> :P
11:34 <@Dolemite> You didn't do that?  You're missing out on the work from home experience until you do that.
11:35 <@ShadowHntr> ROFL
11:35 <@Dolemite> just remember not to mix up the mute buttons for the porno on TV and the speaker on your phone
11:36 <@ShadowHntr> hehehehe
11:38 < drunkass> ShadowHntr: all youve done since youve 'worked' there is sit on conference calls?
11:38 < drunkass> thats been like over a month ago
11:38 <@ShadowHntr> drunkass: that's what i've been told to do...
11:38 < drunkass> jesus, sign me up
11:38 <@ShadowHntr> lol
11:43 <@M0j0-j0j0> I don't mind doing the conference calls so much.. I just wish people would get better phones
11:43 <@M0j0-j0j0> we have these phones that have these satellite mics, but they are still awful.
11:45 <@M0j0-j0j0> When I had to work from FL for 3 months I had wished that they would have just let me wire the meeting rooms up so that everything could be made out and nothing was too loud.
11:45 <@M0j0-j0j0> it just don't seem like it would be that hard
11:46 < eryc> SmthingPrductive: find any more inventory software?
11:47 <@M0j0-j0j0> sdodson; there?
11:47 <@sdodson> M0j0-j0j0: word
11:47 <@M0j0-j0j0> sdodson: you work in the 1/64/440/40 area right?
11:48 <@M0j0-j0j0> time goes by
11:48 <@M0j0-j0j0> so slowly
11:48 < eryc> stfu
11:49 < aestetix_> I just got an awesome idea
11:50 <@sdodson> M0j0-j0j0: NCSU Centenial Campus
11:50 <@M0j0-j0j0> eryc: bowl of asshole for breakfast?
11:50 < aestetix_> Check this out. Get an aborted fetus, shove it in your ass, then go to a fancy restaurant, and shit the fetus into the toilet before some rich tycoon uses the bathroom.
11:50 <@Evilpig> does it involve a backhoe, several hunder pounds of fried chicken, watermelon and gasoline?
11:50 <@Evilpig> hundred*
11:50 < aestetix_> lolz for the whole restaurant.
11:51 <@Catonic_lp> Evilpig: I just read that and popped wood.
11:52 <@M0j0-j0j0> Catonic_lp: yeah.. Evilpig has that effect on some people
11:52 <@M0j0-j0j0> ;)
11:53 <@Evilpig> I'm a voice for change in this country.  Starting with people that can fill holes dug by backhoes
11:53 <@Shadow404> Evilpig: my gf is still bruised from when u dry humped her
11:53 < drunkass> LOL
11:53 <@Evilpig> Shadow404: she liked it
11:53 <@M0j0-j0j0> sdodson: well, I was going to see if you wanted to go work out... but you're not as close as I was thinking :(
11:54 <@Dolemite> and yet aestetix failed to skip right past the idea of simply keeping the fetus in a bag under your coat and placing it directly into the toilet...   all so that he could fantasize about shoving one up his ass.
11:55 <@sdodson> M0j0-j0j0: working out... ick!
11:58 <@Catonic_lp> Shadow404: I think that means Evilpig is 2 for 2.
11:59 <@Shadow404> Catonic_lp: but somehow he will always remain zero
11:59 <@Dolemite> zero sum equation
11:59 <@Dolemite> it's how we keep balance in the universe
11:59 <@Dolemite> Evilpig +2    Shadow404 -2
12:00 <@Shadow404> lawl
12:01 <@Evilpig> actually she did go home with shadow404 instead of me.  so you have to figure that into the score too
12:01 <@Catonic_lp> That was so amusing at the concert... running into girls I know or met...
12:01 <@Catonic_lp> Invariably, I'd have my back to them, then turn around... and they'd freak...
12:01 <@Catonic_lp> Evilpig: everyone loses a little sometimes.
12:01 <@Shadow404> is that when they rean away?
12:02 <@Shadow404> *ran
12:02 <@Catonic_lp> Really funny, only the *hot* chicks dug dick in a box...
12:02 <@Evilpig> Catonic_lp: they were just the sluts
12:02 <@Evilpig> and you weren't asking the fatties to look in the box
12:03 <@Evilpig> I say your results are skewed
12:03 <@Catonic_lp> I was drunk, and having fun.
12:04 <@Catonic_lp> Though I've seen smaller women try to fit into the sexy cop uniform.
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12:05 <@SkyDog_> 2Heya tie!
12:06 <@TieFighter> what up
12:07 <@Catonic_lp> trashtalk in channel...\
12:07 <@TieFighter>  phreaknic page looks good
12:07 <@SkyDog_> Cool.
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12:09 <@TieFighter> I am in class in hot lanta can you shoot me Caret's numberto my email
12:09 <@sdodson> M0j0-j0j0: you need to scam a student id so you can go work out at the NCSU gym!
12:09 <@sdodson> Nothing motivates like hot 20 somethings.
12:12 < aestetix_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUcGA0ZbX-E
12:12 <@Shadow404> TieFighter: what part of craplanta?
12:12 < aestetix_> That's about as candy as it gets.
12:13 <@TieFighter> Shadow404, North
12:14 <@remoford> looks like a great place to have a seizure and pass it off as dancing
12:15 <@Shadow404> north isnt exactly descriptive? like near Georgia Tech?
12:17 <@TieFighter> I do not know this town my Garmin told me to go this way but i did not get in to town
12:18 <@Shadow404> ok, fair enough
12:19 <@Shadow404> SkyDog_: cough skydog, last paragraph, "that we had to 'play' for the chair"
12:19 <@TieFighter> i am near the two bulidings that are the king and corydon I mean queen
12:19 <@Shadow404> ah, near buckhead side of town, ok
12:19 <@Corydon76-lap> Hey, now
12:20 <@Corydon76-lap> Clearly, you have not met Peaches
12:20 <@Evilpig> skydog can I make you a better background for that?  cause that is bad where it repeats.  :P
12:21 <@SkyDog_> TieFighter: I can't find his number. I have his email address though. You know he's in the UK, right?
12:21 <@SkyDog_> Evilpig: I will login and change it today.
12:22 <@TieFighter> SkyDog_, thanks
12:23 <@Catonic_lp> sdodson: 20 something are VERY motivating.
12:24 < aestetix_> wow chevt chase looks old
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12:24 <@Catonic_lp> alan alda
12:24 < eryc> i threw the chair
12:24 <@Shadow404> aestetix_: so does SkyDog_..your point?
12:24 <@Evilpig> SkyDog_: http://firewall.icscci.com/~wilbur/pnbackground.gif
12:24 < aestetix_> hahah
12:25 <@Evilpig> 2.7k and shouldn't repeat
12:25 <@Shadow404> eryc: how soon can you send payment?
12:25 < eryc> nevar!
12:26 <@M0j0-j0j0> Catonic_lp: sdodson: 20 somethings aren't properly trained yet
12:27 <@Catonic_lp> Let's have an event at next con... chase the fucktard around the hotel
12:27 <@Catonic_lp> since someninja[HC] has running experience, he gets to the be fucktard.
12:27 <@Catonic_lp> unless we find another one
12:27 <@M0j0-j0j0> and I don't want to be someone's teacher... figure out what you're getting before you get in line to order it
12:28 <@SkyDog_> Done.
12:28 <@M0j0-j0j0> sdodson: get me a student ID
12:28 <@Evilpig> good job
12:28 <@Evilpig> that image was 9000px long btw.  so you would have to go a long ways before it repeast
12:28 <@SkyDog_> Ok, here's the scoop. As of about an hour ago, the person responsible for throwing the chair anonymously paid the $150.00
12:29 <@ziplock> w00t
12:29 <@SkyDog_> They will not come forward with their real name.
12:29 <@Evilpig> are you sure it was that person and not someone covering for htem?
12:29 < eryc> thx for covering me
12:29 <@SkyDog_> Well, they initiated a $150 transaction. Dunno where it came from yet, but I will look.
12:30 < eryc> next year i build chair slingshot
12:30 <@SkyDog_> They used a hushmail account.
12:30 <@SkyDog_> eryc: We will test it with you in it.
12:30 <@Shadow404> how did they pay? via paypal?
12:30 <@SkyDog_> Yeah.
12:30 <@Dolemite> Next year we need to get together with the Adventure Science Center and borrow their full sized Trebuchet.
12:30 <@Shadow404> heh, ther is a way to track down the owner of the paypal account
12:30 <@M0j0-j0j0> SkyDog_: now you don't have to watch those security video tapes
12:31 <@Shadow404> i think paypal has to give u a first name at the least if u ask for it
12:31 <@Shadow404> at least a starting point
12:31 <@SkyDog_> Well, I dunno if I should pursue it further. They paid, and apologized.
12:31 <@SkyDog_> What does the community think?
12:32 <@Evilpig> I'm thinking public appology for putting the con in jeapardy with the hotel
12:32 <@Shadow404> drop it, it was a stupid mistake
12:32 <@M0j0-j0j0> Shadow404: nod
12:32 <@Shadow404> he paid, so, all is forgiven?
12:32 <@Evilpig> ware was a stupid mistake.  round #2 was stupid fuck-o immitating another stupid fuck-o
12:32 <@Shadow404> can u paste the apology with anonymous sig on the site
12:32 <@rhia> but ware paid last year and people obviously didn't learn
12:32 <@M0j0-j0j0> SkyDog_: so.. if they've paid for it... do they get the chair?
12:33 <@SkyDog_> M0j0-j0j0: They have to pay for my time to repair it.
12:33 <@Shadow404> SkyDog_: next year, we need cameras on the balconies
12:33 <@ziplock> I'm not a consortium member, so I'm not allowed to think
12:33 <@Shadow404> ziplock: heh, obviously
12:33 <@Evilpig> fuck cameras.  post a goon
12:34 <@M0j0-j0j0> maybe we just need inflatable chairs instead
12:34 <@Shadow404> Evilpig: people get distracted, cameras dont
12:34 <@SkyDog_> I think a goon on the balcony is a good idea.
12:34 <@sdodson> M0j0-j0j0: get a job here.
12:34 <@wontonjoe> yay
12:34 <@M0j0-j0j0> Evilpig: it was tossed early in the morning... nobody would have been there
12:34 <@SkyDog_> Well, that, or just no more balcony.
12:35 <@M0j0-j0j0> sdodson: you don't pay well enough
12:35 <@rhia> SkyDog_: post the details (apology, etc) to the lists
12:35 <@wontonjoe> Ok I wish people would respect the balcony, because one of my fav things about pn is getting to see nashville from the balcony and hang out
12:35 <@SkyDog_> Thinking about that one rhia.
12:36 <@M0j0-j0j0> wontonjoe: I really like it too
12:36 <@rhia> SkyDog_: with another explanation about putting the con at risk, etc
12:36 <@ziplock> there's a mail list?
12:36 <@Shadow404> wontonjoe: and play with the bums and hookers and laser pens
12:36 < eryc> i liked having sex on the balcony... no cameras plz!
12:36 <@M0j0-j0j0> wontonjoe: plus.. at cons I smoke.. and if I had to go to the ground level.. it would be a real (wait for the pun) drag!
12:36 <@rhia> SkyDog_: er, how such actions put the con at risk, rather ....
12:36 <@Shadow404> yeah, i agree with M0j0-j0j0
12:37 <@wontonjoe> cant we just crucify violators of the balcony, i bet they wont do it twice!
12:37 <@rhia> wontonjoe: got to catch them .... esp since whoever did this year was too cowardly to step up and confess
12:37 <@sdodson> M0j0-j0j0: inorite :(
12:37 <@Catonic_lp> There are other issues... it's damn difficult to keep people out of an area at a hacker con.
12:38 < eryc> rhia: but i already confessed!
12:38 <@Shadow404> hehe, true
12:38 <@Shadow404> like the pool after hours
12:38 <@M0j0-j0j0> wontonjoe: maybe THATs the contest... catch someone doing stupid shit on the balcony and win a prize
12:38 <@sdodson> i hear smoking is bad for you.
12:38 <@Dolemite> M0j0-j0j0 : No, because then you'll have people doing extra stupid stuff just to be part of the contest
12:38 <@Drag0n> instead of spot the fed, spot the moron?
12:38 <@M0j0-j0j0> sdodson: rumor has it
12:38 <@rhia> Dolemite: agreed
12:38 <@Catonic_lp> spot the shitweasel
12:39  * Shadow404 points to ware
12:39 <@Drag0n> depends on how painfull the punishment is when caught
12:39 <@M0j0-j0j0> Dolemite: not if the person caught has to pay the prize money :)
12:39 <@Dolemite> There are some so starved for attention that they would do that
12:39 <@M0j0-j0j0> Drag0n: sodomized with a tire iron?
12:39 <@Evilpig> anyone know off hand where ssl certs are in windows 2008 before I go digging?
12:39 <@rhia> and get the con shut down just because they wanted the spotlight
12:40 <@M0j0-j0j0> Evilpig: in the browser :)
12:40 < SmthingPrductive> eryc: sorry for the delay (T1 installer)... I'm looking at RackTables quite closely now...
12:40 <@Dolemite> Evilpig : Control Panel -> Internet Options
12:41 <@remoford> M0j0-j0j0: but then we'd have Al throwing shit off the roof
12:41 <@Dolemite> But if it's in an AD domain then those are actually stored on the DC's.
12:41 <@rhia> conventions really are at the grace of the hotels - you think the current neighborhood is bad, get thrown out of that hotel and see who takes you (affordably) on
12:41 <@M0j0-j0j0> remoford: yeah, but we'd already know who dun it
12:42 <@Evilpig> I know where the thing should be and was in 4 - 2003.  it just isn't there in '08 which is why I asked
12:42 <@M0j0-j0j0> I think the hotel knows that we're trying to have a well controlled and yet chaotically amusing event and that things happen
12:42 < Neoteric> halloween weekend fucking decimated mC's chances
12:43 <@Evilpig> foudn it.  server configuration --> roles --> active directory certificates
12:43 <@rhia> M0j0-j0j0: hotels have their own liabilities to consider as well - you don't abuse the folks you stay with
12:44 <@M0j0-j0j0> I think that SkyDog handled the situation very well, and from talking to them, they are glad to do business with us even with the issue
12:44 <@Catonic_lp> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqlY0VOFtyA <- bang bang bang sfw
12:44  * Catonic_lp is not responsible for sanity leakage.
12:44 <@M0j0-j0j0> rhia: not unless they pay for the additional stuff
12:44 <@rhia> M0j0-j0j0: sure he did, but this is becoming a trend that gets more expensive each year - it needs to be stopped now
12:44 <@M0j0-j0j0> rhia: oh, you mean the hotel
12:45 <@SkyDog_> M0j0-j0j0: Tried to take care of business properly. They did make sure to put a little spin on it. Last year's chair was on ly $75.
12:45 <@M0j0-j0j0> rhia: I agree
12:45 <@SkyDog_> This year's was $150. There better NOT be a $300 chair.
12:45 <@Catonic_lp> What's sad is that ware had to be a dumbass one year and toss a chair over the side of the hotel.
12:45 < eryc> so the chairs are inflatable afterall
12:45 <@Catonic_lp> What's even sadder is that this year, someone had to be a copycat.
12:45 <@wontonjoe> throw them off the side withwow 150 dollars for a chair,
12:45 <@rhia> Catonic_lp: even sadder is the copycat is a coward
12:45 <@wontonjoe> oops
12:46 <@ziplock> well, in addition to covering expenses, the dude didn't chip in enough to help restore phreaknic's good name (ha) with the hotel
12:46 <@wontonjoe> two things typed at once, cant see in thisd terminal
12:46 <@Catonic_lp> rhia: only because he knows he's going to be tarred and feathered by the community
12:46 <@M0j0-j0j0> rhia: and is copycatting an ass
12:46 <@rhia> Catonic_lp: and well should be
12:46 < SmthingPrductive> we were soo close to being a no-chair-off-balcony con too... I mean, that was tossed just before checkout, wasn't it?
12:46 <@Drag0n> what ever happened to harmless pranks like putting tape up on the door frame to jonnyx's room and pouring popcorn between the door and the tape?
12:47 <@Dagmar> People stopped being freshmen.
12:47 <@wontonjoe> well Dragon that prank takes creativity, the popcorn one
12:47 <@Dolemite> Drag0n : I was thinking more along the lines of pennying SkyDog into his room.
12:47 <@rhia> best way to stop that kind of idiocy is the community getting actively involved in "assuring" it doesn't happen again
12:47 <@Catonic_lp> Drag0n: some of the newer people apparently have a misunderstanding as to what "hacker" is without causing damage to something or someone.
12:47  * SmthingPrductive put a little bit of post-it on the bottom of our project manager's mouse last week... I now owe her more flowers :-./
12:47 <@Drag0n> a hacler does not involve an axe at a con
12:47 <@Dagmar> lol
12:47 <@Drag0n> hacker
12:47 < eryc> too many crackers
12:47 <@rhia> Dagmar: if the popcorn prank is freshman, the increasingly expensive chair toss is elementary school
12:48 <@Dagmar> rhia: No argument here.
12:48 <@Dagmar> I'd have said "frat boy" to
12:48 < eryc> kill whitey!
12:48 <@Dagmar> s/to/tho'/;
12:48 <@M0j0-j0j0> eryc: word
12:48 <@rhia> pass the word along that the next thing thrown over the side gets followed by the throwee
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12:49 <@Drag0n> or if caught in the act, preceded by
12:49 <@wontonjoe> notlarry could arrange a climbing harness for the throwee to spend the duration of the prank on
12:49 <@Dolemite> or TelcoBob
12:49 <@rhia> wontonjoe: exactly, hehe
12:49 <@wontonjoe> er duration of con after prank
12:49 <@Dolemite> he was the one harnessed up this year
12:49 <@Drag0n> no, some might enjoy that treatment
12:50  * Catonic_lp goes back to his fake Katy Perry pr0n
12:50 <@wontonjoe> not if we play spit on the hanger
12:50 <@wontonjoe> or yoyo attendee 2k9
12:50 <@Dolemite> Whoever throws any objects off of the hotel balcony next year will be the next person to spend the night between Devilcow's breasts.
12:50 <@rhia> wontonjoe: food fight!
12:50 < eryc> ima bring my own chair
12:50 <@M0j0-j0j0> well, I think the community is, at least in part, to blame... we didn't do it, but we did give an awful lot of attention to ware for it... and now.. we're giving someone else a lot of air time about it so... maybe the best thing to do would be to consider it a closed issue and not bring it up again
12:50 <@Catonic_lp> Dolemite: thanks. I hope I get to see my dick again this year.
12:51 <@Dagmar> How about we just kill the next person.
12:51 <@rhia> M0j0-j0j0: need to address the problem, not ignore it
12:51 < eryc> string em up!
12:51 < eryc> get the pitchforks!
12:51 <@Dolemite> kill whitey!
12:51 <@Dagmar> So long as they're not wearing a con shirt when they're found, the cops won't assume we had anything to do with it.
12:51 <@Drag0n> how about we just turn the individual over to the authorities
12:51 <@Dagmar> ...plus, there's a river just 3 blocks away.
12:51 <@Catonic_lp> Cat-5'o'nine tails?
12:51 <@wontonjoe> im always around late at night at the con usually near 9, wish i had of been around to stop it if i had seen it
12:52 <@Dolemite> They're already trying to fish one body out of the river today
12:52 <@SkyDog_> Well, we couldn't have anticipated everything that was going to go on.
12:52 <@rhia> hand them over to the nearest pimp downstairs, say they tried to rip off one of his girls
12:52 <@Catonic_lp> Dolemite: shit, I thought I got out of town in time...
12:52 <@wontonjoe> I still want bbqcon
12:52 <@SkyDog_> Tiefighter's crew worked hard to keep things secure. When the chair went over, he was at home trying to get some sleep.
12:52 <@Catonic_lp> wontonjoe: get your dumbass to toxic then
12:53 <@wontonjoe> nah i want one before then, if things keep going as they are ill attend all cons in the coming year
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12:54 <@wontonjoe> I had to focus on career for a while etc
12:54 <@someninja[HC]> what qualifiys me to be the fucktard
12:54 < aestetix_> damn it
12:54 < aestetix_> http://www.genderanalyzer.com/?url=aestetix.livejournal.com
12:54 <@rhia> how about quit embracing the worst of the dumbasses and tacitly agreeing with all the stupid shit they do?
12:54 < aestetix_> I wonder how their algorithm works.
12:54 <@wontonjoe> thats like saying what qualifies me to be "that guy"
12:54 <@wontonjoe> and I am always "that guy":
12:55 <@Drag0n> wonton, been debating McCain again?
12:55 < eryc> aestetix_: and google ads thinks ur gay
12:55 <@M0j0-j0j0> SkyDog_: they did a great job.  I'm just saying.. 50% of the people at the event didn't go in 2007 and only a few people would have brought up the chair thing if it wasn't a featured event.  Nobody could have known.. and we rely on people not being stoopid in this group... maybe we should have an IQ test required for registration
12:55 <@wontonjoe> screw mccain'
12:55 <@Drag0n> "that one" <g>
12:56 <@wontonjoe> mccain palin obama yay, vote-o-rama 2008 im going to hide in a bunker for a day
12:56 <@SkyDog_> M0j0-j0j0: IQ isn't the issue.
12:56 <@SkyDog_> the issue is social skills.
12:56 <@rhia> SkyDog_: personal responsibility is
12:57 <@SkyDog_> agreed.
12:57 <@Catonic_lp> lmfao... social skills in this group...
12:57 <@M0j0-j0j0> it's actually a really social group
12:57 <@wontonjoe> the thing that always set pn apart from just any old party in my mind is the fact that everyone was intelligent, i go to bars, and believe me when I say once intelligence is removed things go up shit creek real fast
12:58 <@rhia> SkyDog_: with that goes personal accountability, not letting people off the hook for their repeated fuckups
12:58 <@M0j0-j0j0> rhia: repeated
12:59 <@M0j0-j0j0> rhia: I don't think it was ware... but I don't think that you would have to be told once that you are being an ass hat to know (in this context)
12:59 <@rhia> M0j0-j0j0: once the atmosphere becomes one that "oh, doesn't matter if anyone fucks up, nothing ever happens to them, no-one cares" then you get shit like this happen - no-one sees any reason to behave responsibly
13:00 <@SkyDog_> I asked ware. I think he understood when he shelled out $75 that it wasn't a good move.
13:00 <@rhia> M0j0-j0j0: i'm pretty sure it wasn't ware - at least he owns up to his stuff
13:00 <@tzanger> chair thing?
13:00 <@M0j0-j0j0> tzanger: sorry
13:00 <@Evilpig> I think an IQ desk at registration is a good idea.  get one of those toys for babys with the square, the circle and the triangle.  and make sure they can fit them in the right holes before giving them a badge
13:01 <@SkyDog_> I have to give him credit, he took standing in front of a crowd and getting harassed over the year pretty well.
13:01 <@SkyDog_> Someone just thought it would be a good idea, and they were wrong.
13:01 <@ShadowHntr> Evilpig: the game Perfection seems like a good one too. If they can't get it before the timer runs out, they're denied admission.
13:01 <@wontonjoe> good people good people dont need rules, while bad people will always find a way around them
13:01 <@SkyDog_> Sometimes, it takes some clarity to see you've fucked up. OUr perp finally got that clarity.
13:01 <@M0j0-j0j0> Evilpig: actually.. we could test social skills at the registration desk if we had some naughty nurses too
13:01 <@rhia> seems like a good idea because the bad ideas get laughed at around here
13:02 <@Shadow404> M0j0-j0j0: hmm, continue with this naughty nurse idea
13:02 <@tzanger> indeed
13:02 <@tzanger> I find your ideas intriguing and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
13:02 <@SkyDog_> I'm intrigued so far...
13:02 <@Catonic_lp> Hold on, I'll introduce you to a naughty nurse... I guarantee you'll like him....
13:03 <@rhia> wontonjoe: yes - however, bad people need reminders from good people that the antisocial stuff hurts the group in which they're trying to participate
13:03 <@SkyDog_> RUN!
13:03 <@ziplock> so are any phreaknic shirts still available?  Who should I contact for some?
13:03 <@Shadow404> i have an idea for a female naughty nurse, but a strict lookie but no touchie rule must be addressed
13:03 <@Dagmar> rhia: Personally, I think reminders from bad people are more effective.
13:03 <@Catonic_lp> I love nursing students... especially the tall skinny ones..
13:03 <@SkyDog_> ziplock: Yes, we need to get those juggled on the website. Give us a few days to get back on track.
13:04 <@SkyDog_> I still have a truck full of PN stuff.
13:04 <@tzanger> Shadow404: I can't reach through the screen :-)
13:04 <@rhia> Dagmar: i prefer reminders ON bad people ;)
13:04 <@ziplock> ok, thanks
13:04 <@Dagmar> wagnerrp: Actually, we might exceed 50% voting this year
13:04 <@tzanger> rhia: the old "A" brand?
13:04 <@Catonic_lp> running "w"?
13:04 <@Shadow404> how about a pre-con day aptitude test
13:04 <@rhia> tzanger: the old "walked into a doorknob a few times" brand
13:04 <@ziplock> hmm, make violators pay restitution and then work a few staff shifts the following year.....
13:05 <@tzanger> rhia: hard to see under normal clothing
13:05 <@M0j0-j0j0> tzanger: couldn't we all have the "A" brand?
13:05 <@M0j0-j0j0> pot <-> kettle
13:05 <@ziplock> community service
13:05 <@tzanger> heh
13:05 <@ziplock> hehe
13:05 <@rhia> tzanger: sorry - common "joke" about spouses with black eyes, broken noses "i walked into a doorknob"
13:06 <@Drag0n> how about the old standby, ya fuck up, your not welcome back
13:06 <@M0j0-j0j0> rhia: if you beat them with a bad of oranges it doesn't leave any marks
13:06 <@SkyDog_> Drag0n: This is true.
13:06 <@tzanger> rhia: ahh, i hadn't heard that
13:06 <@rhia> M0j0-j0j0: but then the rest of the idgits don't have a visual reminder
13:06 <@SkyDog_> I could have banned both rattle and ware last year. I spoke to both of them, and we all came to an understanding.
13:07 <@wontonjoe> rhia agreed
13:07 <@SkyDog_> I'd rather not exclude someone from teh fun, esp people that have just fucked up a bit, and that are fixtures around this joint.
13:07 <@SkyDog_> But someone that wants to hide like that....Kinda pisses me off.
13:07 <@SkyDog_> Step up and fess up. Pay the tab and apologize.
13:07 <@SkyDog_> I appreciate that they have paid.
13:07 <@rhia> SkyDog_: yeup
13:07 < eryc> i admitted alraedy!
13:08 <@SkyDog_> But take responsibility.
13:08 < eryc> i threw the chair!
13:08 <@wontonjoe> ya its sad knowing theres adults opu there who wont take responsibility, 150 buck and an apology, thatrs not bad
13:08 <@wontonjoe> OH comment withdrawn
13:09 <@rhia> SkyDog_: exactly - if you're going to do something, own it - if not, grow up enough and don't do it in the first place - if neither, get the fuck out and hang with the emo kiddies somewhere
13:09 <@timoguin> SkyDog_: What did rattle do last year?
13:09 <@wontonjoe> ok im out its back to the office for me, later kids
13:09 <@SkyDog_> timoguin: Picked a fight with a 300lb giant.
13:09 <@M0j0-j0j0> beast?
13:10 <@SkyDog_> Me.
13:10 <@timoguin> I thought that was just playfite.
13:10 <@M0j0-j0j0> oh.. I thought it was someone scary :)
13:10 < drunkass> haha
13:10 <@SkyDog_> It was a playfight until he wouldn't stop. It got out of hand, and it shouldn't have. But, we talked about it at shmoocon, and it all got resolved.
13:11 < eryc> did you cuddle
13:11 -!- eryc was kicked from #se2600 by SkyDog_ [Cuddle this.]
13:11 <@remoford> no permanent damange
13:12 <@ShadowHntr> remoford: wuzzup
13:12 <@remoford> hard to make up w/ someone when youve broken their arm in 2 places
13:12 <@remoford> yo
13:12 <@SkyDog_> Nah. He's a good guy. Would rather him be at PN than not.
13:12 <@Drag0n> sure it is, you just cant make out with them
13:13 <@M0j0-j0j0> maybe we need some more physical events.. like sumo wrestling
13:13 <@rhia> SkyDog_: anyone gets caught doing something similarly vandalistic gets stripped, dressed in pasties, tied to a chair and posed for "interesting" pictures - unless they like that, then they're sharpied NARC and thrown to the local pimps
13:13 <@ShadowHntr> well, i'd much rather that this format utility over-estimate the time to low-level format a disc than underestimate...
13:14 <@ShadowHntr> estimate: 71 minutes, actual: 25 mins
13:14 <@ShadowHntr> lol
13:14 <@ShadowHntr> rhia: I'm glad that I haven't gotten drunk enough to get to the stupid phase. ;)
13:15 <@Drag0n> stupid doesnt have to mean drunk, there's been a lot of stupid sober stunts as well
13:15 <@ShadowHntr> true
13:15 <@SkyDog_> rhia: That is a thought. Can I use it? I mean, I will give props to you for coming up with it...
13:15 <@rhia> ShadowHntr: stupid drunk goes with hacker cons, destructive with potential damage to the con itself is a whole other issue
13:15 <@ShadowHntr> *rolls eyes*
13:15 <@rhia> SkyDog_: go for it <g>
13:15 <@Dagmar> rhia: Pimps won't much care.  Write "FREE ASS" and drop him off by The Jungle on 4th or over in the back of Centennial and you'll see some progress
13:15 <@Drag0n> SkyDog_, no credit needed, plausible deniability please <g>
13:16 <@rhia> Dagmar: well, ya'll know the area better <g>
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13:16 <@Dagmar> Or, if you'd like the body to require dental records to recognize, just write "INVESTMENT BANKER" on their chest and drop 'em off at 12th and Woodmont
13:16 <@rhia> Dagmar: whatever is most.... persuasive
13:16 <@timoguin> Or just go oldschool and do the whole Corydon and a room thing.
13:17 <@Drag0n> tim, some may line up for that treatment
13:17 <@M0j0-j0j0> timoguin: what makes you think that Corydon would want anything to do with them
13:17 <@timoguin> Drag0n: those are special cases.
13:17 <@timoguin> Very special cases.
13:18 <@Drag0n> no, go talk to the pimps, find the most diseased hooker, tie up the perp and give him a viagra, then let her free n the room with him
13:18 <@M0j0-j0j0> timoguin: are their chicks you wouldn't do if they begged?
13:18 <@timoguin> No.
13:18 <@timoguin> M0j0-j0j0: It was a joke.
13:19 <@M0j0-j0j0> timoguin: I know, but I really think that Corydon and Al have taken it (NPI) enough...
13:20 <@rhia> SkyDog_: that the perp doesn't have the balls to fess up is insulting to the community and the con ....
13:20 <@M0j0-j0j0> the other day I used the word "nigga" in a very very positive way and got kicked for it... I have to guess that if that's going to get the bar those guys deserve a break
13:21 <@timoguin> M0j0-j0j0: eh, it's all in good fun.
13:21 <@Dagmar> Drag0n: Dude.  Leave the torture to the sickos, kthx~
13:21 < eryc> rhia: you didnt even show up to PN! you're an insult too!
13:21 <@Drag0n> sorry, army days kicking in
13:22 <@Drag0n> gubment indoctrination
13:22 <@rhia> eryc: your logic escapes .... this planet
13:22 <@M0j0-j0j0> timoguin: I wonder if they think so
13:22 <@Dagmar> Well, specifically, leave the torture to me.
13:22 <@Dagmar> I've got a knack for it.
13:22 <@M0j0-j0j0> afk
13:23 <@Drag0n> you could always make them THINK that is what happened tho
13:23 < aestetix_> I can't remember. Does PHP have a $_ equivalent?
13:23 <@Dagmar> Drag0n: That's only effective if you're trying to get someone to tell you something.
13:24 <@rhia> Drag0n: yeah, a good mind fuck works wonders ... but not if you advertise it before hand
13:24 <@Dagmar> For behaviour adjustment, _simulated_ torture doesn't have any lasting impression.
13:24 <@timoguin> M0j0-j0j0: When I have to physically push Al off of me at a con, then he sure as hell should be able to take a little verbal teasing.
13:25 <@Catonic_lp> PN13: Come for the con, stay for the waterboarding!
13:25 <@rhia> Dagmar: oh, it can ... but it has to remain 'real' to their mind (don't ever tell them differently)
13:25 <@Dagmar> rhia: ...but what fun would that be
13:26 <@rhia> Dagmar: ask any military psy-op ;)
13:26 < aestetix_> Catonic_lp: aren't the aliens coming for PN13?
13:26 <@Drag0n> can we rig a special monitoring bracelet for the offenders that they have to wear at all future cons that apply a small voltage charge when they approache any chairs
13:26 <@SkyDog_> aestetix_: SHHH!!! we've gotta get our bullshit story together for next year.. Ixnay!
13:27 <@rhia> Dagmar: course, technically, that's not simulated torture, that's actual mental torture ... but minds are such fun things to play with
13:27 < aestetix_> SkyDog_: great, now you have a theme
13:27 < aestetix_> rhia: this is why I hate women.
13:27 <@remoford> if you need ideas for why the aliens didnt come
13:27 <@Dagmar> rhia: People can drink to forget events.
13:27 <@Drag0n> an additional game will be to see who can hack in to the bracelet and control the perps actions
13:28 <@Dagmar> You can't easily drink to forget scars.
13:28 <@remoford> you can always check out the subgenii excuses for xday
13:28 <@SkyDog_> I love women. Except my ex.
13:28 <@rhia> Dagmar: there are people still drinking to forget the 80's - and yet, they still can't
13:28 < aestetix_> rhia: I'm still not sure how anyone had sex in the 80s.
13:29 < aestetix_> You generally only sleep with someone who is attractive.
13:29 <@Drag0n> aestetix_, there are people who did and still cant figure out how
13:29 <@rhia> Drag0n: or who or what, for that matter
13:30 < eryc> i think this is a record
13:30 <@rhia> but they remember they did
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13:30 < eryc> i havent seen this much drivel and stupid ranting in a while
13:30 <@rhia> eryc: ah, but you were gone for so long
13:31 <@Catonic_lp> eryc: the election isn't over yet.
13:31 < drunkass> eryc: agreed
13:34  * Catonic_lp shanks eryc with a plastic knife
13:36 <@rhia> at least it's not completely random bullshit
13:36 < drunkass> rhia: LULZ LOL WUT U SAY
13:36 <@rhia> it's themed bullshit
13:36 <@rhia> and ware gives us a prime example of the former, thank you drunkass <g>
13:36 <@Catonic_lp> IRC is like prison because the only ones getting laid don't want to talk about it?
13:37 < drunkass> <3
13:37 < drunkass> yall want to see the funniest baby pic of me
13:37 < drunkass> http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-sf2p/v363/170/85/506303218/n506303218_1547943_6996.jpg
13:38 <@Catonic_lp> drunkass: there's this chick you need to meet in STL, her name is "shortbus"
13:38 < drunkass> imapimp inorite
13:38 <@timoguin> haha
13:38 < drunkass> Catonic_lp: i ride her all the time
13:38 <@Catonic_lp> STL is only one letter off from STD
13:39 < drunkass> Catonic_lp: youre a pimp, so tell me
13:39 < drunkass> if i ask a gal if she would like to do something
13:39 < drunkass> and she says 'i might think about it'
13:39 < drunkass> i take that as the closest thing to 'fuck no' there is
13:40 < drunkass> am i right?
13:40 <@Catonic_lp> maybe = no.
13:40 <@Catonic_lp> then again, you should never make it a decision
13:40 < drunkass> that wasnt even a maybe, that was a maybe to think about even thinking about a maybe
13:40 < drunkass> rofl
13:40 < drunkass> thats called rape
13:40 <@Catonic_lp> it should be "come along, we're gonna have fun." ... never a yes/no
13:40 <@timoguin> You show her your ninja moves, and then you don't even have to ask.
13:40 <@timoguin> That's what I do.
13:41 <@timoguin> I jump off the rooftop and land right next to her like, "yo wut up?"
13:41 <@Catonic_lp> then she's like "OMG tim o g!"
13:41 <@timoguin> Exactly.
13:41 < aestetix_> Did a chair actually get thrown off the roof again this year?
13:41 <@timoguin> aestetix_: yes.
13:42 < drunkass> yuhp
13:42 < drunkass> i started a bad thing =/
13:43 < drunkass> tho the chair toss was fun
13:43 < aestetix_> It *wasn't* you?
13:43 < drunkass> i had nothing to do with it
13:43 < drunkass> eryc did it
13:44 <@Catonic_lp> it was aestetix_ ... he just had that clever cover of having left the con to catch a plane.
13:45 <@rhia> no, it was eryc. he had that clever cover of not being seen at the con at all, claimed to "not be there" - likely story
13:46 < eryc> ino smrat huh!
13:46 < aestetix_> I paid Catonic_lp to do it for me.
13:46 <@Dagmar> Here's a moment of WTF for you: http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=30193
13:48 <@Catonic_lp> Dagmar: is it April 1?
13:49 <@oddball> Dagmar: yeah, I saw that yesterday.  Kind of fucked up.
13:49 <@Catonic_lp> http://mail2.someecards.com/filestorage/hal_15.jpg <- NICE
13:49 <@oddball> The sad thing is that I can see their twisted logic.  They're missing a few concepts, but givent thier mindset, it actually makes sense.
13:50 <@Dagmar> Hence, WTF
13:50 <@Catonic_lp> white supremacists are just fucktards, period
13:51 <@Dagmar> Not always
13:51 <@Dagmar> Just most of 'em
13:53 <@rhia> Dagmar: the rest are just braindead
13:54 <@wontonjoe> ah back at the office
13:54 <@wontonjoe> theres always that bad apple white supremacist that ruins the bunch
13:55 <@oddball> I find it entertaining that Dvorak didn't bother to cite where that interview came from
13:56 <@rhia> the photoshop skills are weak
13:56 <@rhia> then again, so is the argument
13:56 <@oddball> (according to BoingBoing Esquire rant the actual article)
13:56 <@oddball> s/rant/ran
13:57 <@Dagmar> WOW!
13:57 <@Dagmar> hehehe
13:57 <@Dagmar> http://tinyurl.com/5gmhy6
13:57 <@Dagmar> Worksafe~!
13:57 <@Dagmar> Read the top of the window carefullly
13:58 <@Dagmar> johnmccain.com has been pwned
13:58 <@Catonic_lp> just the preview shows that
13:58 <@Catonic_lp> http://www.johnmccain.com/mccainnation/EventD
13:58 <@Catonic_lp> etails.aspx?guid=e576543c-117d-4f3c-9260-a311
13:58 <@Catonic_lp> c6317654&party=e576543c-117d-4f3c-9260-a3
13:58 <@Catonic_lp> 11c6317654&dist=10&ptype=00000000-000
13:58 <@Catonic_lp> 0-0000-0000-000000000000&zip=%22%6F%6E%6D
13:58 <@Catonic_lp> %6F%75%73%65%6F%76%65%72%3D%27%77%69%6E%64%6F
13:58 <@Catonic_lp> ... and it goes on.
13:58 <@Dagmar> This is why it's tinyurl'd
13:58 <@oddball> rhia: well, the white supremists assume that all white people feel like they're being oppressed, and the black sepretists know that a black president will deflate their position that all black people are being held down by the white man.
13:59 <@Dagmar> ...although I don't know what you're talking about a preview window
13:59 <@Catonic_lp> I preview all tinyurl links before clicking through. aestetix goatse'd me one too many times.
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14:00 <@oddball> ummm... was that supposed to actually bring up a webpage?
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14:01 <@rhia> oddball: that's the same form of 'logic' that says all the women who backed Hillary would vote for Palin
14:01 <@Dagmar> yay for script9ing
14:01 <@Dagmar> oddball: Yes, it does
14:01 <@Dagmar> It's just that their site is damn slow
14:01 <@tzanger> I'm sitting waiting too
14:01 <@oddball> rhia: Hey, I didn't say it was flawed, I just said I could follow it.
14:02 <@tzanger> haha
14:02 <@oddball> s/was/wasn't
14:02 <@rhia> Dagmar: um, nothing but white page ... altho i do get the mention of cross site scripting from NoScript
14:02 <@oddball> damn, I wish I could type today.
14:02 <@tzanger> nah
14:02 <@ziplock> white page here too, can you take a screencap?
14:03 <@tzanger> it just has "BREAKING: McCain quits race, endorses Senator Obama" at the top with a rollover that does a "Excellent Choice" Popup and redirects to obama's site
14:03 <@oddball> it gave me a white page with nothing but "This webpage is not available." and then a repeat of the url.
14:03 <@rhia> oddball: yeah - scary that not only do people who think like that vote, one is running for President
14:03 <@Dagmar> Gimme a minit
14:04 <@tzanger> www.mixdown.ca/~andrew/dump/mccain.png
14:04 <@Dagmar> That works
14:04 < GodFix[HC]> http://picasaweb.google.com/MDM5280/General?authkey=NRyhXojoA00#5157328700932606642
14:04 < GodFix[HC]> SFW
14:04 <@rhia> oddball: on a major party ticket (left that out, sorry)
14:04 < GodFix[HC]> look at the emblem above the door
14:05 < Neoteric> tzanger: damned canadian lies
14:05 <@Dagmar> ~minilink
14:05 <@tzanger> GodFix[HC]: haha
14:06 <@tzanger> the "4 arrows" icon also looks R-rated
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14:07 < drunkass> Catonic_lp: so my fb status says ima cook some salmon for dinner, and she replies with 'i love salmon patties'
14:07 < drunkass> i think that warrants an invite to dine with me tonight
14:07 < drunkass> si?
14:08 < GodFix[HC]> si
14:08 <@Shadow404> giggity
14:08 <@Shadow404> salmon with wine and a fuck
14:08 < Neoteric> Dagmar: BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHA
14:09 <@rhia> missed something ... ware is asking Catonic for dating advice
14:09 < drunkass> rhia: what kinda wine is good with salmon?
14:09 <@Dagmar> Neoteric: Probably like 99% of the people who see that link will never realize it's just XSS
14:09 <@Dagmar> SHIP IT! lol
14:09 <@Catonic_lp> drunkass: pull back
14:09 <@Shadow404> hmm, not sure about wine, im a complete wine NOOB
14:09 <@ziplock> Boones Farm Salmon Wine
14:10 <@Catonic_lp> you already told her to join you with something else, try not to look needy.
14:10 <@Drag0n> Table Wine
14:10 < drunkass> gotcha
14:10 <@rhia> drunkass: depends on how you prepare the salmon
14:10 < Neoteric> so all of /mccainnation is down
14:11 <@Catonic_lp> Neoteric: looks like they should have hired competent help like the Kerry campaign did.
14:11 < drunkass> rhia: usually brown it in a pan with some seasoning and lemon slices
14:11 < Neoteric> Catonic: bblah! during '04 I would have welcomed it by redefacing their shit
14:11 < drunkass> then bake it for 15 min in the oven covered with aluminum foil and the lemons in there
14:11 <@rhia> drunkass: try a Pinot Noir
14:11 <@Drag0n> Catonic, you expect competent admins from someone who doesnt know how to use e-mail?
14:12 < GodFix[HC]> NSFW http://fukung.net/v/5123/20070427094252.gif
14:12 <@Drag0n> im surprised they didnt use the blink tag on the main page for announcements
14:12 <@Catonic_lp> drunkass: however you play it, play it like you can leave it
14:13 <@rhia> drunkass: if you prefer white, go for a high acidic one, like Sauvignon Blanc, but a Pinot Noir should go well
14:13 < drunkass> Jay Ware at 2:12pm November 3
14:13 < drunkass> theyre pretty tastey ;) especially with a pinot noir
14:13 < drunkass> hahaha
14:13 < drunkass> acting like i know wtf im talkin about
14:13 <@Catonic_lp> drunkass: but I think you're on needy territory
14:13 < drunkass> i like merlots
14:13 < GodFix[HC]> http://fukung.net/v/8680/53b126733498ce74f761d72f900a91e1.jpg
14:13 < drunkass> or darker, heartier wines
14:13 <@rhia> eh, you asked what goes well with salmon <g>
14:13 < drunkass> Catonic_lp: when you dont get laid in a year, where else is there to me
14:14 < drunkass> to be*
14:14 <@tzanger> ok what the fuck are you eating if your semen is clogging the drains?!
14:14 <@rhia> the heavier, fuller wines go better with denser meat, like beef or pork
14:14 <@tzanger> haaaaaahahaha
14:14 <@tzanger> http://fukung.net/v/9967/parah_sailing221.jpg
14:15 <@Catonic_lp> drunkass: I'm telling ya... Back away
14:15 <@Catonic_lp> at this point, you've got to have the attitude that you can take it or leave it
14:15 < drunkass> well i didnt invite her to dinner
14:15 <@Catonic_lp> and I'd be hedging on leave it, but keep it playful
14:16 < drunkass> just saying 'ya dinner is gonna be good, dont you wish you could come'
14:16 <@Catonic_lp> good, I like it.
14:17 <@Catonic_lp> if she's horny, she'll read it as a double entendre
14:17 <@Dagmar> What time do the polls open in the morning is what I wanna know
14:17 <@Catonic_lp> 630 I think
14:17 < aestetix_> Um.
14:18 < aestetix_> <starts rant about the bay area>
14:18 < aestetix_> Is it normal, or even remotely professional, to request your applications make and upload a youtube video of themselves saying why they want a job at your company, in addition to a resume and cover letter?
14:18 <@Drag0n> <applies some Bay seasoning>
14:18 <@rhia> drunkass: wine rule of thumb:  bitter foods(chargrilled beef, for example) --> full fruit wines (Chardonnay, Merlot) | sweet foods(honeymustard sauce, tomato sauces) --> slightly sweet wines(Riesling, White Zinfandel) | acidic foods(salmon with lemon, like you're serving) --> acidic wines(Pinot Noir, Pinot Grigio, Sauvignon Blanc)
14:19 < aestetix_> A friend told me about this, and I didn't believe it, so she forwarded me her email correspondence.
14:19 <@Catonic_lp> if you really want to work there...
14:19 <@rhia> aestetix_: are they actors?
14:19 <@Catonic_lp> personally, I wouldn't do it
14:19 <@Catonic_lp> there you go, hire an actor...
14:19 < aestetix_> rhia: no. This is for a secretary desk job.
14:19 <@Drag0n> is it working FOR youtube?
14:19 <@sdodson> eryc: Any particularly good docs on jumpstart?
14:19 <@Catonic_lp> "My name is aestetix, and I approve this message."
14:19 < aestetix_> Apparently qualifications are "word, excel, youtube"
14:19 <@Catonic_lp> holy shit... that sounds like a sexist application process
14:20 <@Catonic_lp> "Show us your JUGS!!!" ... on youtube.
14:20 <@rhia> aestetix_: unusual, but they may be thinking they're "going technical" .... still, shouldn't be a Requirement for a secretary
14:20 <@Catonic_lp> then they can filter the applicants based on physical appearance without actually getting them in the office.
14:20 <@Drag0n> that or they realise what the number 1 task will be of the secretary
14:20 <@Dagmar> All polling locations in DAVIDSON COUNTY, TENNESSEE will be open from 7:00 A.M. TO 7:00 P.M."
14:21 <@Dagmar> http://www.nashville.gov/VOTE/PDFs/Voting_Locations_081104_revised_09162008.pdf
14:21 <@Drag0n> sitting and watching youtube all day
14:21 <@ShadowHntr> Dagmar: i'm driving down to Rutherford County tomorrow to vote.
14:21 <@rhia> aestetix_: does sound like a way of weeding out "undesirable physical attributes" w/o being blatantly racist etc, tho
14:21 <@Dagmar> I'm driving about 200 yards to vote.
14:21 <@rhia> already voted
14:21 <@Drag0n> i driving 3 days into the past to vote
14:22 <@Dolemite> Yeah, voting on voting day is so 1950s
14:22 <@rhia> line was only 40 minutes
14:22 <@Catonic_lp> I'm driving mrs. daisy to vote, and racing the little old lady from pasadena on the way back
14:22 < aestetix_> Dolemite: unless your state doesn't support early voting.
14:23 < Neoteric> aestetix: TN does
14:23 <@rhia> Nevada does voting smart - put tons of booths in shopping malls, strip malls, large places with lots of parking and lots of space
14:24 < aestetix_> Voting is gonna be a mess tomorrow.
14:24 < aestetix_> Of all cities, New York doesn't offer early voting :/
14:24 < Neoteric> rhia: next to slot machines?
14:24 <@Dolemite> Hell, I've voted 3 times already
14:24 < GodFix[HC]> SFW http://fukung.net/v/5537/trashy_lingerie.jpg
14:25 <@Dolemite> In this election alone :)
14:25 < aestetix_> On the plus side, I get to use a lever machine.
14:25 < Neoteric> Dolemite: early and often
14:25 < Neoteric> aestetix: can you take pix in the booth/
14:26 < aestetix_> Um. Can you?
14:26 < Neoteric> aestetix: cnn.com is doing this thing where they encoourange people to photograph themselves voting
14:26 < Neoteric> or vlog themselves voting
14:26 <@Dolemite> You can if you don't get caught!
14:27 < aestetix_> I guess...
14:30 <@Dagmar> No one can really watch you to prevent it
14:31 < aestetix_> Wait a second.
14:32 < aestetix_> That means I can whip it out and push the level with my dong.
14:32 < aestetix_> lever*
14:32 <@Drag0n> only if the booth has curtains
14:32 <@Drag0n> and short ones at that
14:33 <@Catonic_lp> kinky.
14:35 < aestetix_> votergasm
14:36 <@Drag0n> would that count as a seeing eye dog?
14:37 <@Catonic_lp> so you take a picture of palin into the booth with you...
14:37 <@Catonic_lp> and rub one out on the touch screen....
14:38 <@sdodson> I'm glad I don't pay much attention to this channel.
14:38 <@sdodson> It's depressing, makes me question humanity.
14:38 <@Catonic_lp> did I just commit treason?
14:39 < Neoteric> yes, send yourself to jail
14:39 < Neoteric> no passing the 'go'
14:39 < Neoteric> no $200
14:39 < Neoteric> go fuck yourself
14:40 <@Catonic_lp> Neoteric: you're only saying that because I said I'd rub one out to a Republican candiate.
14:43 <@Catonic_lp> Thanks and goodnight, tip your waiters.
14:43 < aestetix_> I'm actually afraid I'll be stuck in line for hours to vote.
14:43 < aestetix_> I have never had this fear before.
14:43 <@Shadow404> so long and thanks for all the fish
14:44 < drunkass> \m/
14:44 <@Corydon76-lap> aestetix_: what does it matter?  It's federal law that your employer must let you take as long as is needed to allow you to vote
14:45 <@rhia> aestetix_: it's a damn sight better than not being allowed to vote
14:45 < drunkass> Corydon76-lap: where is that law?
14:45 < drunkass> i need a link to it so i can take an extended lunch
14:46 <@Corydon76-lap> drunkass: your employer can require you to provide evidence that you voted
14:46 < BlueCopy1> sunshine and puppy dogs, rainbows and kittens
14:46 < BlueCopy1> opps wrong window
14:47 <@Dagmar> Show 'em the sticker
14:47 <@Shadow404> or borrow a sticker from someone else
14:47 < aestetix_> Corydon76-lap: because it may interfere with my plans to go to DC tomorrow night.
14:47 <@rhia> we didn't get a sticker - but the registration card is stamped
14:48 <@Dagmar> Hmm...
14:48 <@Dagmar> I wonder if they're going to have a problem with mine being laminated then
14:48 <@Corydon76-lap> Excuse me, it seems to be state law, not federal law:  http://www.complianceposter.com/state-voting-laws.aspx
14:49 <@rhia> Dagmar: we did early voting in TX - no clue how TN works
14:49 <@Corydon76-lap> drunkass: up to 3 hours, and if you're salaried, you get paid for it
14:49 <@oddball> Early voting in TN is pretty much like voting on the day.
14:50 <@Dagmar> You aren't likely to be able to make your employer pay you for that time tho if you vote early
14:50 <@rhia> Corydon76-lap: actually, that's a federal law i could agree with - make it that you can't be fired for exercising your right to vote in all 50 states
14:50 <@Corydon76-lap> Dagmar: may be only Texas... In TN, I've never seen the registration getting stamped
14:50 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-dig: Well, either way I'm not even required to bring the card, just my DL will do
14:51 <@Corydon76-lap> rhia: should just do what other countries do and make it a national holiday
14:51 <@Dagmar> I doubt there'll be a problem
14:51 <@rhia> Corydon76-dig: definitely cuts down on voting at multiple locations
14:51 <@rhia> Corydon76-lap: exactly
14:51 <@Dagmar> Otherwise, I've got CNN's hotline and the local number for reporting problems in my wallet
14:51 <@rhia> Corydon76-lap: but some jobs just can't be shut down for a day, so .....
14:51 <@Corydon76-lap> Dagmar: and twitter
14:51 <@Dagmar> rhia: Yeah but voting at multiple locations won't result in multiple vote counts
14:51 < BlueCopy1> Dagmar: if you register by mail. you have to have an id and the card
14:51 < BlueCopy1> just the first time though
14:52 <@Dagmar> I'll go get the URL, again, and show you
14:52 < BlueCopy1> i am on the election commission in my county
14:52 <@Dagmar> Good for you
14:52 <@rhia> Dagmar: it has before, along with a thousand other issues, like dead people voting, etc ... esp if you vote with provisional ballots in various precincts
14:52 <@Dagmar> http://www.tennessee.gov/sos/election/IDRequirementChart.pdf
14:52 <@Dagmar> Read it.
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14:53 <@Dagmar> Note that the first damn line is "ANYONE of the following items"
14:53 <@rhia> Dagmar: 1) TX, 2)saying it HAS happened 3)it's a lot less likely with them checking an electronic database, but can still be scammed in some areas
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14:54 < Neoteric> Dagmar: thanks for that link btw.... if I ever find the 14yr old that did that xss I'm buying him a "beer"
14:54 < TelcoBob> or a vodka juicebox
14:54 < TelcoBob> :-p
14:55 <@Evilpig> anyone ever seen outlook 2007 pick a name from the address book and not use the email address?
14:56 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: Actually, no, but it woudln't surprise me
14:56 <@Dagmar> The new version is shit
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14:58 <@Evilpig> it's pissing me off cause it pulls the name from the address book and underlines it like it knows who it is then won't send tot he email address when you try to send
14:58 < drunkass> is that from the global address list or the local one?
14:59 <@Evilpig> local right now
14:59 < drunkass> id check both to make sure there is an email address set for that contact
14:59 <@Evilpig> lemme try a global
14:59 <@Evilpig> The following recipient(s) cannot be reached:
14:59 <@Evilpig>       Burnette Lowe on 11/03/08 2:59 PM
14:59 <@Evilpig>             None of your e-mail accounts could send to this recipient.
15:00 <@Evilpig> global resolved fine
15:00 <@Evilpig> this is exchange 2007 too
15:00 <@Shadow404> even bigger load of shit
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15:00 < drunkass> does the local contacts entry have an email address defined
15:01 <@Dagmar> No response from BlueCopy.  Interesting.
15:01 <@Dagmar> Looks like whatever district he's in is going to be having some problems
15:02 <@Evilpig> yes
15:02 <@Evilpig> I even updated the record and saved it again to be sure it wasn't an import error
15:02 < drunkass> hrmpp.
15:04 <@Evilpig> son of a bitch I think I found a work around
15:04 <@Evilpig> if I delete the display name and let it autogenerate one it works
15:06 < drunkass> the one that wasnt working was the auto complete?
15:06 <@Evilpig> yeah
15:07 < drunkass> may have been cached wrong or somethin
15:07 <@Evilpig> and if I picked it from teh to button it just put the autocomplete one
15:07 <@Dagmar> Could be
15:07 <@Dagmar> I know i've had it screw up a few times claiming to not find people unless I just hit tht To: button and looked them up in the directory.
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15:11 <@Catonic_lp> mein Gott, was bin ich geworden?
15:18 < drunkass> Catonic_lp: chop liver =/
15:24 <@Shadow404> heh, funny system event resolution message from freenode
15:28 <@nachoguy> yeah, they run Gentoo! hahaha
15:28 <@nachoguy> hilarious
15:29 < eryc> sdodson: I use JET
15:29 < drunkass> http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-sf2p/v184/173/4/38407647/n38407647_33506742_6289.jpg
15:30 <@sdodson> eryc: ok, thanks.
15:31 <@Dagmar> ~minilink
15:31 <@sdodson> I've always wanted to see a nicely managed gentoo infrastructure.
15:31 <@sdodson> I imagine there aren't many.
15:36 <@nachoguy> sdodson++
15:36 <@timoguin> Gentoo will pwn your face!
15:39 < GodFix[HC]> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY6LjeAEPJk
15:45 <@Drag0n> whats so hilarious about running gentoo?
15:45 <@Drag0n> its a damned nice, stable easy to manage distro
15:46 < eryc> whats easy to manage exactly?
15:46 < Neoteric> okay wtf automatically logs me off my boxes?
15:47 <@Dagmar> Timeouts
15:47 < Neoteric> I have a couple of machines that if I ssh to they auto disconnect and I can't figure out what's causing the disconnect
15:47 <@Drag0n> Neo, the cracker thats playing with you
15:47 < Neoteric> I used to think it was the fw, but my connection to linux.org never goes away
15:47 < Neoteric> Dagmar: timeout where?
15:47 <@Drag0n> eryc, gentoo is very easy to manage, once its set up right, just like any distro or OS
15:48 < Neoteric> any guesses cause I'm plain out
15:48 <@Dagmar> Neoteric: probably in yer firewall/router
15:48 <@timoguin> Drag0n: Do not feed zee troll.
15:48 < Neoteric> I've stared at every pam config
15:48 <@Dagmar> Maybe you need to turn on keepalives
15:48 <@Drag0n> neo, check sshd.conf?
15:48  * Drag0n ducks
15:48 < eryc> i have securecrt set to send a NOOP every 10s
15:49 <@sdodson> nachoguy: I say that knowing that I have a crappilly managed infrastructure of RHEL machines. I can't see gentoo being anything but a few orders of magnitude harder to keep managed properly.
15:49 < Neoteric> I thought I did
15:49 < eryc> sshd can use IdleTimeout
15:49 <@Drag0n> sdodson, at least with gentoo, i dont have to worry about my RedHat subscription is up to date
15:50 < eryc> and /etc/default/login (on solaris) can use TIMEOUT
15:51 <@sdodson> Drag0n: Non issue.
15:51 <@Drag0n> non issue if i was working for RedHat as well <g>
15:51 < Neoteric> having sex w/ liars is great, you're always "the best"  w/ them.
15:52 <@sdodson> Drag0n: No, it's a non issue otherwise too.
15:53 <@sdodson> It's not like machines stop working when subscriptions lapse.
15:53 <@Drag0n> yeah right, they cost more than MS licenses, annually, at least with redhat, you get support
15:53 <@Drag0n> no, but the updates stop
15:53 <@timoguin> sdodson: Are you basing it's difficulty simply on the fact that it compiles most everything?
15:53 <@sdodson> build your own, it's opensource.
15:53 <@Drag0n> and access to the rhn stopps
15:53 <@Drag0n> i did, its called gentoo
15:54 <@sdodson> timoguin: No, I'm basing it on the impression I've gotten from their package management system.
15:54 <@timoguin> I think portage is amazing.
15:54 <@Drag0n> so, sdodson, you have FreeBSD too?
15:54 <@Drag0n> hate
15:54 <@timoguin> It's the most organized system I've used.
15:54 <@timoguin> sdodson: Did you not like portage?
15:54 <@sdodson> As far as I can tell FreeBSD has a sane package management system.
15:54 <@Drag0n> portage is based on ports
15:55 <@timoguin> I'm sure he knows that.
15:55 <@Drag0n> not by a long shot, portage has been miles more logical and organised and reliable
15:55 <@Drag0n> and tones less attitude
15:55 <@sdodson> I'm talking about managing package deployment.
15:56 <@Drag0n> its open source, set up your own local repository
15:57 <@M0j0-j0j0> sdodson: apt-get is much better than rpm imho
15:57 <@timoguin> I used to have a portage repo setup, as well as an rsync mirror for emerge --sync.
15:57 <@sdodson> So the tools for managing binary packages are capable of resolving deps and all.
15:57 <@sdodson> ?
15:57 <@Drag0n> in gentoo, yes
15:57 <@timoguin> Yes.
15:57 <@Drag0n> revdep-rebuild
15:57 <@sdodson> Alright, that's what I was getting at.
15:58 <@Drag0n> if you needed help, just ask, dont go flaming because you dont know
15:58 <@timoguin> I didn't get the impression that he was flaming.
15:59 < eryc> gentoo sux
15:59 <@Drag0n> ok, thats flaming, he was just smoldering a little
15:59 < eryc> windows rules
15:59 <@Drag0n> eryc: you sux, i r00lz u
16:00 <@timoguin> How the hell do you change channels in irssi if you are using a mac?
16:00 <@rhia> everytime i've ever asked what's wrong with gentoo the only answer i'd get was "it's for ricers" .... yeah, that's, um, real informative
16:00 < eryc> timoguin: /win next?
16:00 <@timoguin> Well I guess that works too.
16:00 <@Dolemite> it's OMGOPTIMIZED!
16:00 <@timoguin> I'm used to the Alt+N keystokes.
16:01 <@timoguin> And I can't figure out the equivalent.
16:01 <@brimstone> also, ctrl+n|p works for me
16:01 <@timoguin> brimstone: That too.
16:01 < eryc> can gentoo do automated network installs?
16:01 <@Dolemite> The problem with gentoo is that it makes people think that just because they compiled the entire OS from scratch that they are truly optimized to their hardware.  Until you truly know how to tune an OS, compiling from scratch rather than pulling binaries is truly a waste of resources.
16:02 <@Dolemite> truly
16:02 <@sdodson> a gallactic waste
16:02 < eryc> epic fail!
16:02 < eryc> really tho, does gento have kickstart?
16:03  * timoguin shrugs
16:03 <@timoguin> I saw a presentation from a Redhat guy about some pretty cool network automation apps.
16:03 <@Drag0n> gentoo can be automated, its a simple environment, just script the install
16:03 <@timoguin> Cobbler, Func, and Spacewalk.
16:03 < eryc> i was looking at Func yesterday
16:03 <@Drag0n> and getoo has a package install option
16:03 <@Drag0n> gentoo
16:03 <@timoguin> I wrote a bash script for several gentoo installs last summer.
16:04 < eryc> by automated i mean pxeboot -> full system
16:04 <@rhia> Dolemite: hunh, i never thought that ... i just like having what i want how i want where i want and not being forced to load a lot of shit i don't just because some developer liked a particular set of packages ~shrug~
16:05 <@rhia> then again, that's basically why i ran slack for so many years ...
16:05 <@Drag0n> and customizing the install is easy as the variables are kept in one place
16:05 <@Drag0n> /etc/portage
16:05 < eryc> http://www.redhat.com/spacewalk/
16:05 < eryc> does gentoo have that shit?
16:05 <@Dolemite> rhia : Yes, but gentoo doesn't have to pick every package to include from scratch - it still has a base package that you compile.  Yes, you can customize exactly what you want, but people don't understand that (a) you can do that with most distros and (b) until you do, you're not "optimized" at all
16:06 < eryc> idonthinkso!
16:06 <@Dolemite> s/base package/base set of packages/
16:06 <@Drag0n> actually, your wrong, the base package is a precompiled tarball
16:06 <@Dolemite> Which it then recompiles on the box
16:06 <@Drag0n> no, it doesnt
16:06 <@timoguin> Not anymore.
16:07 <@Dolemite> It has been a couple of years since I looked at it
16:07 <@timoguin> Stage 3 is the standard now.
16:07 <@Drag0n> you cant if you ant to, but it is not needed
16:07 <@Dolemite> Well there goes the whole point of ricing it out.  EPIC FAIL.
16:07 <@timoguin> I don't care about the whole optimization shit.
16:07 <@Dolemite> FreeBSD FTW
16:08 <@timoguin> I just really like how organized portage is.
16:08 <@Drag0n> if you wish to contribute as a dev, you can do a stage1 install, but the instructions are all based off a stage 3 install
16:08 < eryc> OpenSolaris!
16:08 <@Dolemite> anywho, time to go home
16:08 <@Dolemite> w00t
16:08 <@Drag0n> cp/m baby
16:08 <@sdodson> old people ftl
16:08  * Drag0n thwaps sdodson in the shins with his cane
16:08 <@sdodson> so i missed all that conversation, x crashed :(
16:08 <@Drag0n> young whippersnappers
16:09 < eryc> sdodson: summary, gentoo sucks
16:09 <@sdodson> i thought that was accepted as fact
16:09 <@sdodson> like it's in the bible or something
16:10 <@Drag0n> only by those absorbed by the redhat colective, its the Anti-M$ b00rg
16:10 <@sdodson> nah, i don't care
16:10 <@sdodson> people assume i care, but i don't care
16:10 <@sdodson> run what you want
16:11 <@timoguin> I stopped caring a long time ago.
16:11 <@timoguin> My zealoutry is no more.
16:11 <@Drag0n> i stopped caring when i quit using Slackware
16:11 <@Catonic_lp> Dat pc right dere... you can keep ur line-ux in it.
16:11 <@timoguin> *zelotry
16:11 <@Catonic_lp> And that little cubby right there, you can hide your line-ux in it too.
16:12 <@timoguin> I'm using a new Macbook Pro atm.
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16:12 <@timoguin> They sent it to IT so we could test it.
16:12 <@timoguin> Or whatever.
16:12 <@Catonic_lp> drunkass: love the anteater.
16:13 <@timoguin> drunkass: As did I.
16:15 < eryc> FUCK YOU IM AN ANTEATER!
16:15 -!- eryc was kicked from #se2600 by Catonic_lp [as you wish.]
16:16 < drunkass> lol
16:16 < drunkass> FUCK YOU IM AN ANTEATER
16:16 < drunkass> i cant wait to yell that at someone
16:16 < C-P> drunkass: I love that pic
16:17 < drunkass> been awhile since ive seen it
16:17 <@Catonic_lp> C-P: it just has an angry white-trash feel to it, doesn't it?
16:17 < C-P> hmmm
16:17 < drunkass> i think so
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16:19 <@Catonic_lp> wb eryc, I missed u.
16:19 < eryc> want to cuddle?
16:19 <@Catonic_lp> I thought you'd never ask.
16:22 < eryc> obamas grandma died
16:22 < aestetix_> was she hot?
16:22 < GodFix[HC]> she was an old white woman
16:23 < aestetix_> did she have money?
16:24 <@sdodson> Drag0n: why'd you quit slackware?
16:24 <@brimstone> slackware was too hardcore
16:24 <@Drag0n> with patricks helth issues and slackware falling behind in technology due to it, i moved to gentoo
16:24 <@Drag0n> health
16:24 < eryc> http://www.geeksugar.com/2454247
16:25 <@sdodson> My xen box just fell over :(
16:25 <@Drag0n> it just mainly came down to slackware was not staying current on security and usability
16:26 <@sdodson> 40 vms poof
16:27 < aestetix_> Hmm, this is interesting.
16:27 < aestetix_> On facebook, if a photo is tagged with your name/username, it shows up in your gallery, right?
16:27 <@timoguin> Yea
16:27 < aestetix_> So what's to stop me from uploading fucked up images and tagging them with the username of someone I don't like?
16:28 <@timoguin> aestetix_: Nothing.
16:28 <@timoguin> But people can untag themselves.
16:28 <@Drag0n> they can remove them
16:28 < aestetix_> Has this been abused much?
16:28 <@sdodson> omg aestetix is so smrt
16:28 <@timoguin> ware uploaded a picture of a cow yesterday and tagged me.
16:28  * SmthingPrductive tags a "ViAGRA" banner with aestetix_'s name
16:28 < aestetix_> sdodson: I've just never used facebook.
16:29 <@timoguin> aestetix_: It's the same for myspace now too.
16:30 < aestetix_> I don't use myspace either.
16:31 <@timoguin> http://explosm.net/comics/1450/
16:32 <@Catonic_lp> aestetix_: sysmin covered that in his talk
16:33 <@Catonic_lp> aestetix_: bullshit, you used to have a facebook account
16:33 <@Catonic_lp> it was a picture of you topless
16:34 < aestetix_> ... what?
16:34 < aestetix_> In what talk?
16:34 <@timoguin> The hacking social networks talk.
16:34 < aestetix_> Oh, his phreaknic talk?
16:34 <@timoguin> Yea, Saturday
16:34 < aestetix_> Right.
16:34 <@timoguin> They did it at Defcon and Blackhat too, apparently.
16:34 < aestetix_> I was busy stranged in.... Georgia?
16:34 < aestetix_> I can't remember. Oh wait, NC
16:37 <@Catonic_lp> non-consentual? not in this country.
16:41 <@M0j0-j0j0> Northern California
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16:42 <@M0j0-j0j0> everyone knows that when you say I'm from NC.. it means that you're from the the 51st state Northern California
16:44 < drunkass> obama's gma died?
16:45 < drunkass> ahh eryc beat me to it
16:45 <@M0j0-j0j0> she knew he needed the sympathy vote
16:45 < drunkass> too soon
16:45 < drunkass> (ROFL)
16:45 < drunkass> shes probably not even really dead
16:46 <@M0j0-j0j0> shes probably not even really his gma
16:46 < drunkass> touche
16:46 <@M0j0-j0j0> alright kids... I'm headed to the gym...
16:46 <@M0j0-j0j0> peace
16:46 <@Catonic_lp> hey... is the body cold yet?
16:47 < drunkass> Catonic_lp: wait 2 weeks, then you can put a hole where ever you want
16:47 < drunkass> err =/ thats bad nvm
16:47 <@M0j0-j0j0> I guess that ends the "he's not actually an American" case as she's the only one that would testify to it...
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16:48 < drunkass> http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c238/naiwister/Random Pics/512152bd.jpg
16:48 < drunkass> rofl
16:52 <@Catonic_lp> http://punditkitchen.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/political-pictures-levi-johnston-bristol-palin-shotgun.jpg
16:52 < drunkass> win
16:52 < drunkass> id hit it
16:53 <@Catonic_lp> http://punditkitchen.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/political-pictures-elizabeth-hasselback-todd-palin-sarah-palin-usb.jpg <- port the blonde!
16:54 < drunkass> http://punditkitchen.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/political-pictures-john-mccain-cindy-mccain-sugar-mamma.jpg
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17:04 <@Catonic_lp> drunkass: that picture just screams "fuck my tits!"
17:04 <@brimstone> anyone else thinkin' wak-a-mole ?
17:05 <@Catonic_lp> I'm not thinkin whack-a-anything
17:06 <@Catonic_lp> yipes... if mccain wins, that solidifies my position as a candidate for president
17:06 <@Catonic_lp> he was born abroad, and I don't mean of a woman.
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17:08 < drunkass> Catonic_lp: thats what i was thinking too
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17:10 <@Catonic_lp> there's no way that this:
17:10 <@Catonic_lp> http://punditkitchen.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/political-pictures-john-mccain-cindy-mccain-sugar-mamma.jpg
17:10 <@Catonic_lp> and this:
17:10 <@Catonic_lp> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c0/Cindy_McCain.jpg/220px-Cindy_McCain.jpg  are the same person
17:11 < drunkass> pony tail
17:11 < drunkass> + skin tight turtle neck
17:11 < drunkass> http://www.topnews.in/usa/files/Cindy McCain_John McCain.jpeg
17:12 < drunkass> http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2008/05/16/PH2008051603356.jpg
17:12 < drunkass> shes a hottie
17:12 <@Catonic_lp> cripes
17:12 <@Catonic_lp> she looks different in EVERY single photo
17:12 <@Catonic_lp> she changes looks more than I do
17:12 < drunkass> http://www.allamericanpatriots.com/files/images/john-cindy-mccain.jpg
17:12 < drunkass> http://www.grupo-utopia.com/blog/isou/Obama/mccain.jpg
17:12 <@Catonic_lp> enough
17:13 < drunkass> http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/032g9sJgy5941/610x.jpg
17:13 < drunkass> shes hot
17:13 <@Catonic_lp> ENOUGH I SAY
17:13 < drunkass> fuggitaboutit
17:13 < drunkass> http://politicaldemotivation.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/cindy_mccain_demotivational.jpg
17:13 < drunkass> last oen
17:13 < drunkass> lol
17:13 < drunkass> one*
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17:26 <@sdodson> yay huge hole in my ceiling, GG apartment complex!
17:26 < drunkass> lulz, say hai2 ur frenz upstairz
17:27 <@sdodson> hot upskirts through the floor!
17:27 <@sdodson> man, i better lock my cat up, he's enough of a shit head to jump up in there and die in my ceiling or something
17:27 <@sdodson> he's a fucking asshole.
17:27 < drunkass> hahaha
17:28 <@Drag0n> Ceiling cat watches you sleep
17:29 <@Catonic_lp> ceiling cat has seen things ceiling cat can't unsee.
17:30 <@sdodson> dude, my cat always goes and opens the blinds when i'm walking around the house in the buff
17:30 <@rhia> basement cat has more fun
17:30 <@Catonic_lp> verbal has a sense of humor =)
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17:32 <@sdodson> I think he's just trying to get me arrested.
17:32 < Tater> howdy
17:37 <@Catonic_lp> hyuk! hiya tater!
17:37 < Tater> sup catonic
17:37  * Drag0n gets the butter, salt and bacon bits for the baked tater
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17:38  * Catonic_lp makes a call to WeedOut
17:38 < Tater> >.>..i'm not good to eat
17:38 <@Drag0n> hehe
17:38 <@Catonic_lp> I've never heard a chick say that.
17:39 < Tater> lol
17:39 < Tater> no comment...
17:39 < aestetix_> Tater is a chick?
17:39 < aestetix_> Never met a girl named Joshua...
17:39 <@sdodson> in Catonic_lp's fantasies he is
17:39 < Tater> wait?..i became a chick?
17:39 < Tater> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
17:40 < aestetix_> Tater: yes. Now give it up for Catonic_lp
17:40 <@Drag0n> what do you think was in that "water" at phreaknik?
17:40 <@Dagmar> Tater is not a chick.
17:41 < eryc> potatos are not poultry
17:41 <@Dagmar> Drag0n: Of scientific interest... perhaps heavily caffienated drinks and high-powered vodka aren't the best things to mix.  ;)
17:43 < Tater> yup...i found that out for myself..
17:43 < GodFix[HC]> my "water" contained Grey Goose, Monster and Sprite
17:43 <@Drag0n> better than heavily caffeinated water, an espresso machine, and penguin mints for flavor as a base for an irish coffee
17:44 < Tater> i lost my water bottle =/
17:46 < eryc> im gonna bankrupt yer coal bitch
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17:47 < Tater> quick question, does anyone know when phreaknic pics are gonna be up?
17:47 <@brimstone> Tater: a lot are up now
17:48 < Tater> where at?
17:48 <@brimstone> anyone to took pictures
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17:52 < eryc> http://www.cracked.com/video_16759_japan-fights-economic-crisis-with-real-life-lolcat.html
17:52 <@Catonic_lp> katy perry stole my soul and I want it bck.
17:52 <@Catonic_lp> *back
18:01 < Tater> lol, found a pic of my from last year..
18:03 <@Evilpig> and where is that?
18:04 <@Dagmar> On the wall at the post office?
18:04 < Tater> at phreaknic 11
18:04 <@Evilpig> and are you wrapped in foil or in a bowl?
18:04 < Tater> got the hat
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18:19 < cerkit> Its just 36 hours until Obama time.
18:19 <@sdodson> whatever! mccain is totally going to pull it off!
18:20 <@brimstone> go Barr!
18:20 < eryc> nader ftw!
18:20 <@Drag0n> Mickey Mouse FTW
18:20 < cerkit> McCain will pull what off?
18:20 <@brimstone> his mask!
18:21 <@Drag0n> he Depends!
18:21 <@Dagmar> "The fix"
18:21 < cerkit> I'm just certain he didn't mean the election.
18:21 <@Drag0n> his
18:21 < cerkit> Scott's not that foolish.
18:21 <@Dagmar> I say we just start burning stuff on Wednesday if they try to tell us McCain won
18:21 <@sdodson> I'm 100% certain there will be riots if McCain wins.
18:22 <@Dagmar> Particularly, little McCain dolls.
18:22 < eryc> obama wins popular vote, mccain wins electoral college
18:22 < cerkit> If they say McCain has won, I'm fucking forming the Army of the 12 Monkeys
18:22 <@Dagmar> eryc: I.e., "the system has failed"
18:22 <@sdodson> fivethirtyeight.com says that obama has the electoral in the bag.
18:22 <@Dagmar> TAHM TO TARE IT DOWNS!
18:22 < eryc> its ok they know whats best dont worry
18:22 <@brimstone> sdodson: you trust everything you read on the internet?
18:23 < cerkit> Do you realize how brazen (sp?) they would have to be... to try and fic this for McCain?
18:23 <@Dagmar> I like to think of it as "suicide by civilians"
18:23 <@sdodson> brimstone: srsly, did you really just say that?
18:23 <@brimstone> sdodson: srsly, yase
18:23 < cerkit> Obama's hired the world's largest ever assembly of lawyers... purposely to combat election fraud.
18:23 < cerkit> He used a very large some of money to do it.
18:23 <@Dagmar> That would explain the "billion"+ figure CNN was just talking about
18:23 <@sdodson> I really really hate the "Sureeeeee, everything on the Internet is true" and "Sureeeee, everything on Wikipedia is true" argument.
18:23 < cerkit> Dagmar: He cannot lose.
18:23 <@Dagmar> I know I'm going to the polls in the morning armed with phone numbers and printouts
18:24 <@Dagmar> Anything out of place and I'm calling people
18:24 <@sdodson> Dagmar is such a renegade.
18:24 <@sdodson> Sort of like a maverick but without the utility belt.
18:24 <@Drag0n> at least he's not a Maverick
18:24 <@sdodson> you type too slow buddy
18:24 < cerkit> I'm far too cynical to do anything like that, Dag.
18:25 < cerkit> But, you have my respect for taking your civic duty seriously.
18:25 <@Dagmar> Well, I still have to vote
18:25 <@sdodson> Why haven't you voted already?
18:25 < cerkit> Some body neeeds to.
18:25 <@sdodson> Does TN not have early voting?
18:25 <@Dagmar> I'm off work tomorrow and I've not really had time to do the early voting thing
18:25 <@timoguin> I have to vote tomorrow too.
18:25 <@Dagmar> So, my ass will be there at 7am sharp, in part because the place is two blocks from my apartment.
18:25 < cerkit> I voted today, but, that wasn't enough, I want to vote for Obama again
18:25 < eryc> im doing late voting this year
18:26 <@sdodson> man you guys are seriously foaming at the mouth over obama
18:26 < cerkit> sdodson: I'm completely kidding.
18:26 <@Dagmar> I would definitely rather not have to go buy a pitchfork on Wednesday
18:26 < cerkit> I sincerely hope Obama will do what is neccessary, but, I sincerely hope that of everyone who takes the office.
18:27 < cerkit> I'm troubled by the idea of where we are in history, but, maybe that makes him perfect.
18:27 <@sdodson> I think too many people see him as baby jesus or something.
18:27 < cerkit> We're in uncharted territory.
18:27 <@Dagmar> cerkit: Like immediately launch investigations into everything Bush and Cheney have sealed for the last five years
18:27 < cerkit> All the history doesn;t apply.
18:27 < cerkit> Experience may not matter.
18:27 < cerkit> Dagmar: That would be fine, but, for year 3.
18:28 < cerkit> Dagmar: I'd like us to have SOME industry left, before we get out the blame stick.
18:28 < cerkit> So, economic focus, please.
18:28 < cerkit> heh
18:28 <@Drag0n> i hope obama wins for one main reason, it will pull the rug out from under the black "entitlement" mentality of the "man" is keeping them down
18:28 <@sdodson> Drag0n: wow, that's a powerful way to think of it that I hadn't thought of.
18:29 <@Drag0n> and mabey then we can all move on equily to a better future
18:29 < cerkit> You all realize where we are economically, right?
18:29 <@Dagmar> Up a cows ass you mean?
18:29 < cerkit> How infintesimally small these social or culture issues really are.
18:30 < cerkit> We're about the enter a deep recession likes of which not many people of the working generation has ever seen.
18:30 < cerkit> They will be unprepared fiscally and emotionally.
18:30 < cerkit> Surrounded by the baby-boomers who are exitting the economy in mass.
18:30 <@Dagmar> Umm... no on that last bit
18:30 <@sasquatc4> Drag0n: on our ballot we have a measure that greatly reduces affirmative action
18:31 < cerkit> Dagmar: Check the stock market.
18:31 <@sasquatc4> and thank god, hoping everyone votes for it
18:31 < cerkit> Dagmar: :)
18:31 <@Dagmar> It ain't like any one year is a big cut-off for boomers retiring
18:31 <@Dagmar> cerkit: Oh the sstock market is fucked
18:31 <@Dagmar> My opinion on that is "FUCK THE RICH PEOPLE"
18:31 < cerkit> Dagmar: Who do you think yanked their 75b this month from mutual funds?
18:31 <@sdodson> Such hate and angst.
18:31 <@Dagmar> I am still against the buyout.
18:31 < cerkit> (exiting the economy)
18:31 < cerkit> Boomers.
18:32 < cerkit> LEss $ per share invested = less jobs
18:32 <@Dagmar> Irresponsible bastards have no problem kicking people out of their homes for late payments, but scream like the world will end if it's noticed they mismanaged all that money they were swearing to protect
18:32 <@Dagmar> So fuck em
18:32 < cerkit> Thats besides existing economic conditions of material interest, like credit market damage.
18:32 < cerkit> So, trust me.
18:32 <@Dagmar> I honestly don't think it's going to hurt the lower or middle classes just because a bunch of "upper" class assholes wind up broke
18:32 <@Dagmar> All that money went _somewhere_
18:32 < cerkit> Boomers have, are and will continue to, exit this economy
18:33 < cerkit> Dagmar: All what money?
18:33 <@Dagmar> Exactly.
18:33 < cerkit> The boom was virtual.
18:33 < cerkit> You can re-create jobs and economic conditions based in bubbles with real growth.
18:33 < cerkit> At least, not at nearly the same rate.
18:33 <@Dagmar> ....and when the guys running the game are the ones with no chair when the music stops, I really don't see a problem with it
18:34 < cerkit> thats why its a bubble, heh
18:34 < cerkit> I think you're missing a serious component to the puzzle.
18:34 < cerkit> The reason those "rich bastards" lost their money was because they bet on the American housing market.
18:34 < cerkit> And it failed.
18:34 < cerkit> Who do you think REALY gets hurt in that?
18:34 <@Dagmar> It doesn't really matter which market they bet on
18:34 <@Dagmar> What they fucked up was in generating too much phoney money
18:35 < cerkit> When 20% of the US home owner is already underwater...
18:35 < cerkit> what should it matter that a few bankers got fucked?
18:35 < cerkit> we're all ojn a sinking ship now.
18:35 <@Dagmar> Not me.
18:35 <@Dagmar> I don't live on credit.
18:35 < cerkit> You live on  job, no?
18:35 < cerkit> a job*
18:35 < eryc> i have floaties
18:35 < cerkit> That job is backed by some form of credit.
18:35 <@Dagmar> Yes.  At an .edu that makes doctors and lawyers, remember?
18:35 <@sdodson> eryc: swing wings!
18:36 < cerkit> Student loans then.
18:36 <@Dagmar> This place isn't going anywhere
18:36 < cerkit> America is DRENCHED in this mentality
18:36 < cerkit> so its never far
18:36 <@Dagmar> Dude if this place goes we'll be bulldozing parts of the interstate to plant corn within a year
18:36 < cerkit> Dagmar: Understand that if your skill suggests an implied job security, you're an exception and not the rule
18:36 < eryc> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kcUjuXBFA8
18:37 < cerkit> Enrollments and endowments are presumed to correct relative to most investment classes, which means 30-45%
18:37 < cerkit> And the entire US student loan market...
18:37 < cerkit> that dried up in july, during the student loan bond issuance
18:37 < cerkit> (or rather, lack thereof)
18:37 <@Dagmar> That market dried up becuase the "banks" fucked up
18:38 < cerkit> So, I'm not doomsaying, as much as trying to suggest...
18:38 < cerkit> this has SERIOUS economic implications
18:38 <@Dagmar> THey're required to keep a certain amount of their assets *actually on hand*
18:38 <@Dagmar> ...as in on their books.
18:38 < cerkit> they went 30 to 1
18:38 < cerkit> err
18:38 < cerkit> 40 to 1
18:38 <@sdodson> eryc: WTF? it's like a bunch of kids with eppilepsy.
18:38 <@Dagmar> When they're measuring those assets based on how much their potential worth is, and suddenly that worth drops, they no longer have the excess money to loan people
18:38 < eryc> ya awesome huh?
18:39 < cerkit> Dagmar: Thats actually not the issue.
18:39 <@Dagmar> Sure looks like it is to me
18:39 < cerkit> We've re-capitalize the banks, and plan to purchase the dead assets.
18:39 < cerkit> It'll be sum 0
18:39 < cerkit> for the banks, that is
18:39 < cerkit> their profit model will be destoryed though
18:39 < cerkit> as has been the entire loan model
18:40 <@Dagmar> A lot of their "assets" suddenly became heavily undervalued because people realized the things weren't actually going to pay face value.  Shit snowballed from tehre.
18:40 < cerkit> The "assets' were securities wrapping up bad loans.
18:40 < cerkit> Thats why they have no real value.
18:40 < cerkit> The loans were subprime.
18:40 <@Dagmar> Yep.
18:40 < cerkit> Fraudulently rated triple A
18:40 < cerkit> But again
18:40 <@Dagmar> Exactly.
18:40 < cerkit> not the issue
18:40 < cerkit> THE MORTGAGES they backed
18:41 < cerkit> on the other hand
18:41 < cerkit> very relevant
18:41 <@sdodson> I AM RELEVANT!
18:41 < cerkit> Because for the last 20 some odd years
18:41 < cerkit> the housing market has essentially been a peg for the economy
18:41 < cerkit> as houses create new wealth perceptions
18:41 < cerkit> and create credit streams
18:41 < cerkit> well, used to, i should say
18:42 < cerkit> thats all a thing of the past
18:42 <@Dagmar> i.e., opportunities for mortgage people to talk you into selling your house back to the bank while you're still paying for it
18:42 <@sdodson> Dagmar: Do you never plan to own a home?
18:42 < cerkit> whether or not you'd like to admit it, dude
18:42 < cerkit> those loans
18:42 < cerkit> bad or good
18:42 < cerkit> on those houses
18:42 < cerkit> let people spend money
18:42 < cerkit> that created jobs
18:42 < cerkit> money they will never have again
18:42 <@Dagmar> They didn't actually have that money to begin with.
18:43 < cerkit> that... amounts to serious economic damage
18:43 < cerkit> right
18:43 < cerkit> but it was injected for good or worse
18:43 <@Dagmar> It amounts to serious economic correction, IMHO.
18:43 < cerkit> into the economy
18:43 < cerkit> Corrections, not dispute.
18:43 < cerkit> But their ARE people
18:43 < cerkit> in those waves of changing values
18:43 < cerkit> who will lose money, jobs, and assets.
18:43 < cerkit> heh
18:43 < cerkit> that are nopt
18:43 < cerkit> bankers
18:44 <@Dagmar> Man I've even talked with my landlord to make sure the mortagage she has on the apt is stable
18:44 < cerkit> And, and this is just a guess
18:44 < cerkit> I'd would be willing to bet though
18:44 < cerkit> More people who are hurt, are NOT bankers
18:44 < cerkit> heh
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18:44 <@Dagmar> I would rather a lot of bankers go to jail
18:45 < cerkit> All I'm saying is, you'll have all the time in the world to blame them.
18:45 <@Dagmar> Particularly the guys over at Schwab who reincorporated as a consumer bank weekend before last, JUST so they could get bailout money.
18:45 < cerkit> We're all going to be right here, FUCKED UP, together.
18:45 < cerkit> I'd just assume fix that, and move on to the ass whoopin's after the house is order.
18:45 <@Dagmar> I'd also like to see the guys who drafted the bailout do a little time in front of judges for drafting a plan so shitty it allowed companies to do that
18:45 < cerkit> Thats a non-issue
18:45 < cerkit> Paulson should go to jail
18:45 < cerkit> WITH Bush
18:45 < cerkit> as part of a lrger outfit of racketeering
18:45 <@Dagmar> cerkit: Nope.  Ass kicking and fixing can happen simultanously.
18:46 < cerkit> Paulson ran Goldman Sachs and LOBBIED
18:46 < cerkit> for the very deregulation
18:46 < cerkit> that allowesd iBanks to go 40 to 1
18:46 <@Dagmar> More importantly, the fuckers responsible for screwing everything up will have more time to hide and/or blow what they stole the longer we wait
18:46 < cerkit> I have his testimony
18:46 < cerkit> Its outrageous
18:46 <@Dagmar> Paulson is kinda high on my list of people who should be looking at the world through bars right now
18:46 < cerkit> That he is now running the "Fix it" team
18:47 < cerkit> I don't mind Kashkari...
18:47 < cerkit> he's too young to be entirely corrupt
18:47 < cerkit> Paulson though...
18:47 < cerkit> something is up there, methinks.
18:47 <@Dagmar> Paulson knew damn well he was basically just grabbing cash for his own company
18:47 < cerkit> Well, in the testimony
18:47 <@Dagmar> No judge could EVER touch a case that was as close to them as the bailout was to him
18:47 < cerkit> he said competitors with risk ratios were out-performing American iBanks
18:48 < cerkit> and that the government needed to relax federal regulations on capital ratios
18:48 <@Dagmar> THey would either recuse themselves or wind up staring at disbarment proceedings
18:48 < cerkit> I'd love to just have him asked, what competitors were 40 to 1 at the time?
18:48 < cerkit> and see what he says.
18:49 < cerkit> because at the time he asked
18:49 < cerkit> in 2000, and again in 2004
18:49 < cerkit> the most leveraged were at 10 to 1
18:50 < cerkit> I'd just like to bitchslap him at his own game.
18:50 < cerkit> I'd like to see him, Cheney and Bush, along with a few others, maybe Rumsfeld, all carted away on charges of high treason and racketeering
18:51 < cerkit> Or perhaps use some of their terrorism laws against them.
18:51 <@Dagmar> I'm all for that
18:51 < cerkit> For the sake of poetic justice.
18:51 < cerkit> I see no reason to lock up Paulson for fraud.
18:51 < cerkit> His crimes are much greater.
18:51 <@Dagmar> I do.
18:51 <@Dagmar> I call it "a starting point"
18:52 <@Dagmar> The law has no problems with locking someone up on a few charges just to keep them in place while all the rest are tallied up
18:52 < cerkit> Its important for the American people to understand, the Bush administration has not been some hyper conspiritorial group wanting to take over, but instead, wanting to take advantage of a severe issue in America's economic well-being.
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18:52 < cerkit> This is why Goldman Sachs holds the worlds largest oil position as a hedge to prop up the dollar.
18:52 < cerkit> SacsI*
18:53 < cerkit> Because Bush has all but fucking collapsed the thing, unfortunately.
18:53 < cerkit> And when Obama takes office...
18:53 < cerkit> the motherfucking hell, that is set to explode on his desktop...
18:53 <@Dagmar> Oh yeah
18:53 < cerkit> Its historical to put it mildly.
18:54 < cerkit> With Golman to prop up the dollar...
18:54 <@Dagmar> I figure OBama will probably call full stop on the operational theatre of Iraq just because we can't afford it
18:54 < cerkit> the carry trade unwinds will erode it
18:54 < cerkit> err
18:54 < aestetix_> zomg
18:54 < cerkit> Without Goldman to prop up the dollar.
18:54 < aestetix_> Obama's grandma dies.
18:54 < aestetix_> Can he possibly get any more positive publicity?
18:54 < cerkit> The USD will decline rapidly as countries delever.
18:54 <@sasquatc4> yea, how much does that suck, the day before the election
18:55 < aestetix_> sasquatc4: it's brilliant
18:55 < GodFix[HC]> SFW but there are NIPPLES!!!! http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2028840&id=71109831
18:55 < cerkit> It could go very, very badly.
18:55 <@sasquatc4> i know
18:55 <@Dagmar> cerkit: I bought gold
18:55 < aestetix_> He's gonna get the sympathy vote
18:55 <@Dagmar> GodFix[HC]: It's no good unless it's nipples we know
18:55 < cerkit> Dagmar: It will do you no good, in fact, it will devalue, as the world's central banks flood the market, selling their gold.
18:55 < aestetix_> Not that I'm complaining.
18:55 < cerkit> Dagmar: Its already begun.
18:55 < cerkit> Dagmar:? Go look at a gold chart, dude.
18:55 < cerkit> Its bad.
18:55 <@Dagmar> cerkit: It'll have to devalue a shitton
18:56 < cerkit> When did you buy it?
18:56 < cerkit> at 300?
18:56 < cerkit> Otherwise...
18:56 <@Dagmar> Like a year or so ago I started
18:56 <@Dagmar> When the dollar tanked, I stopped bothering to look
18:56 < cerkit> Bad timing.
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18:56 <@Dagmar> Well it went up by 60%
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18:56 <@Dagmar> ...and I'm sure as hell not worrying about it doing worse than mutual funds
18:57 <@Dagmar> ...or the mattress fund.
18:57 < cerkit> I wouldn't suggest mutual funds.
18:57 < cerkit> Though, I have friends who might.
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18:57 < cerkit> Gold, like mutual funds, is an asset class of past and quite broken economies.
18:57 < cerkit> Commodities can't boom in deflation.
18:58 < cerkit> Nor equities.
18:58 < cerkit> Historically, they would send you to the bond market, unfortunately, debt is what STARTED the deflation.
18:58 < cerkit> So, they are sort of fucked up too, if you consider what the rating agencies did, rating bad mortgage backed securities.
18:59 <@Dagmar> Dude I'm still 50% up on what I put into Au
18:59 < cerkit> If you need proof of commodity based deflation, check your gas pump :)
18:59 <@Dagmar> If I get to 40% I'll liquidate ti but I ain't worry about it
18:59 < cerkit> oils come down some since 147, like gold has, at 1000
19:00 < cerkit> gold's now 6XX handle
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19:00 < cerkit> let me check
19:00 < cerkit> I'm not really a gold expert
19:00 <@Dagmar> http://www.goldprice.org/gold-price-history.html#5_year_gold_price
19:01 < cerkit> http://www.cnbc.com/id/15839171/
19:01 < cerkit> look at those futures
19:01 < cerkit> I was wrong, its a up on a 7XX handle
19:02 < cerkit> but its in corrective free fall, if you look at the chart
19:02 <@Dagmar> I know
19:02 <@Drag0n> commodities are tied to demand, if people cant afford the goods, then there is less demand, so the price drops, unlike securities, that are tied to artificial value
19:02 < cerkit> like every other precious metal
19:02 <@Dagmar> I got it at what appears to have been a reasonable amount, so I'm not sweating it
19:02 <@Dagmar> What I didn't want to happen was for *all* my money to collapse along with the dollar.
19:03 < cerkit> comoddities can have 'premium' just like equities, since they changed the delivery standards on futures.
19:03 <@Dagmar> I don't have a lot, and I intend to keep it
19:03 <@Drag0n> fortunetly, gold is a compact easily storable, lasting comodity
19:03 < cerkit> I can trade oil, and I never need to see a barrel.
19:03 < cerkit> Raising the price.
19:03 < eryc> i put all my money in moonrocks
19:03 <@Dagmar> Drag0n: It ships pretty damn easy, too
19:03 <@Drag0n> it doesnt wear out, it doesnt corrode, it doesnt get consumed
19:03 <@Drag0n> if you dont mind paying practicaly its value in gas <g>
19:04 < cerkit> Drag0n: You can purchase pork belly futures for insta,ce never having to deal with pig, but leading to an increase in the price of pork.
19:04 < cerkit> and prok productions.
19:04 <@Dagmar> Drag0n: Umm... far from it actually.
19:04 < cerkit> Futures let you do bad stuff.
19:04 <@Dagmar> An *ounce* of gold costs a hell of a lot
19:04 < cerkit> If you ask me, anyway.
19:04 <@Dagmar> A pound, just ONE pound, costs a fuckload.
19:04 < cerkit> a fuckload of what?
19:04 <@Dagmar> You can ship a pound of just about anything across the US for like, $10
19:04 < cerkit> USD?
19:04 < cerkit> EUR?
19:05 < cerkit> JPY?
19:05 <@Dagmar> cerkit: At this point I'd say yen.  ;)
19:05 <@Drag0n> hehe, but the insurance will kill ya
19:05 < cerkit> I have a bunch of money in yen.
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19:05 <@Dagmar> Drag0n: Actually, insurance through fedex ain't much
19:05 < AstralSin> grrrrrr
19:05 < cerkit> because money has intrinsic value linked to an economy
19:05 < cerkit> so, buying yen, is investing the japanese economy
19:05 < AstralSin> my upgrade to intrepid ibex has hosed my nvidia driver
19:06 < cerkit> and when the dollar was strong...
19:06 < cerkit> it made a lot of sense.
19:06 <@Dagmar> I don't think the dollar is done deflating yet
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19:06 < cerkit> So I have 15k in JPY at 120 and change
19:06 <@Drag0n> this is why i keep currency from all my travels, one day, the rubbles in my safe will be wrth a lot
19:06 < eryc> can u buy an O
19:07 < cerkit> I did move some back when it briefly touched 92.
19:07 <@rhia> the richest city in the world right now is Moscow ... whoathunk it just 5 years ago
19:07 < cerkit> But, I only took the gains abd bought more yen.
19:07 < eryc> rhia: thats cuz they sold off all those brides
19:07 <@Drag0n> nope, vowels are extra
19:07 <@rhia> and the Chinese economy is more hurt from within than without
19:07 <@Dagmar> cerkit: Perfectly reasonable
19:08 <@rhia> i jut hope ours increases on Wednesday
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19:08 <@Dagmar> rhia: So long as McCain doesn't "win" it should at least stabilize for a few days
19:08 <@rhia> just, you guys figured it out
19:09 < cerkit> Dagmar: If you do rational and objective analysis of the two mortgage markets, japan in the 90s and ours now, and you look the economic connections, you see, we have to trade less, and build more; we have to save more and spend less.  Japan had saved, they do build, and have well defined loaning and trading practices that benefit their economy.
19:09 <@rhia> Dagmar: sadly, my family is solidly McCain .... sigh
19:09 <@Dagmar> If McCain "wins" everyone's going to spend a few days going "ohshitohshitohshitohshit".  Count on it
19:09 < cerkit> Dagmar: Overall, we will likely reach true economic parity with Japan circa the 90s.
19:09 < cerkit> Dagmar: However, the USD has psychological strength.
19:09 <@rhia> both sides - they even subscribed me to all the RNC/GOP/campaign email lists
19:09 <@Drag0n> some of us will be going, WTFO?
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19:10 <@rhia> Atl is already preparing the riot & swat teams
19:10 <@Dagmar> Not suprising
19:10 <@rhia> just talked to my sister there with friends on both
19:10 <@Drag0n> i do not want to be in Miami if McCain wins
19:10 < cerkit> Dagmar: The true test of the US Dollar's strength will come in 2009, 2010, 2011, and 2012.  When the broken bonds linked the commercial real estate burst to the toon of about another 1.2 trillion.
19:10 < eryc> keel whitey
19:10 < cerkit> Dagmar: If that cascades along with the residential, we'll see a complete collapse of the US Dollar.
19:10 <@rhia> or DC or Brooklyn or southside LA or ...
19:11 < cerkit> I'm hoping they're going to think ahead, given the current crisis
19:11 <@Drag0n> everyone's forgetting Hawii, that place will go nuclear
19:11 < cerkit> and address Commercial Real Estate back securities in the near future.
19:11 <@Dagmar> I'm thinking they will do no such thing unless Obama can create a serious sea change
19:11 <@Dagmar> They will do the same shit that they've been doing since 2000...
19:11 <@Dagmar> ...which is "whatever looks best for the next quarterly report, as if the world ended the day after"
19:11 < cerkit> Dagmar: IF they donot address the commercial real estate backed security assets before 2011, the US dollar WILL collapse.
19:12 < eryc> obama is moses he can part the seas
19:12 <@rhia> Obama can't fix the last 8 years, but he can at least slow down or halt the economic downward landslide .... if he gets in and does that, we may do okay
19:12 <@Dagmar> Ahyup
19:12 < eryc> pfft
19:12 <@Drag0n> no, he will part the wall st.
19:12 <@rhia> eryc: pfftt.... if he's Moses, i'm the virgin mary
19:12 < eryc> obama cant do anything
19:12 < eryc> the president just signs shit
19:12 < cerkit> Dagmar: There is nothing to stop a perpetual deflation, one that you cannot print yourself out of, as ou might be able to with this one.
19:13 < cerkit> Dagmar: So, its in their best interests to clear it up.
19:13 <@Dagmar>  No it's not.
19:13 < eryc> what exactly do you think he can do
19:13 < cerkit> I'm assuming they are talking to these banks and working it out.
19:13 <@rhia> eryc: you mean like one president can't do anything ....  like BushCo couldn't do anything
19:13 < eryc> obama doesnt even know shit about economics
19:13 <@rhia> oh, wait, 8 yrs say differently
19:13 <@Dagmar> If they do anything OTHER than what looks best on the next quarterly, they'll be hit with lawsuits for violating shareholder interests, or fired for not maximizing profits.
19:14 <@Dagmar> They're going to have to get very creative to make that goal and your goal match.
19:14 < cerkit> They'll probably just increase the TARP in 09
19:14 <@rhia> eryc: thy trolling skills are rusty as the resulting talking parts are pertinent
19:14 <@Drag0n> eryc, he may not, but at least he knows who DOES
19:14 < cerkit> to handle Commercial
19:14 <@Dagmar> This is the whole fucking reason these companies got themselves so heavily underwater on bad loans.
19:14 < cerkit> Whats another 1.2 trillion on 2.7 trillion already?
19:14 <@Dagmar> The bad loans look good on paper for a short while.
19:14 <@rhia> eryc: good trolling derails the conversation, not feed it
19:14 < eryc> mybad i try harders!
19:14 <@Dagmar> They simply didn't give a shit that in 2-3 years the things would start to stink like a poopy diaper left on the countertop.
19:14 < cerkit> I mean, think of it this way
19:15 <@Dagmar> It wasn't their problem.
19:15 <@rhia> eryc: you do that <g>
19:15 < cerkit> And this is very overly-simplified
19:15 < cerkit> If you don't spent, 1.2 trillion and 2.7 trillion now...
19:15 < cerkit> your 12 trillion in housing assets
19:15 <@Dagmar> They'd already have their bonuses and salaries squirreled away by then and could merrily liquidate the company or step out and let someone else do it
19:15 < cerkit> your currency
19:15 < cerkit> and your entire economy
19:15 < cerkit> spend*
19:15 < cerkit> are all gone
19:16 <@Dagmar> I'll put it this way
19:16 < cerkit> All the wealth of America would vanish, overnight.
19:16 < cerkit> Shelves would empty.
19:16 < cerkit> Riots would ensue.
19:16 <@Dagmar> People and companies that make actual stuff and do actual things will stand a much better chance of surviving than the parasite companies that simply make money by moving numbers around.
19:16 < cerkit> They won't let it come to that.
19:17 < cerkit> Bernanke, or whoever is there, will print up more dollars.  Extend the TARP, etc.
19:17 <@Dagmar> I could really give two shits about what happens to that latter group.
19:17 <@Dagmar> ...and unlike Congress, I don't believe for a second that the survival of the first group is dependent upon the latter.
19:17 < cerkit> Dagmar: Did you ever consider the viral nature of markets and that, that group may be big enough to cascade fail the whole thing?
19:17 < cerkit> Its actually possible after 8 years of Bush-level corruption, you realize.
19:18 <@Dagmar> cerkit: Oh I know it's possible, this is why I say throw people in jail NOW
19:18 < cerkit> Well, agreed, but you understand that takes time?
19:18 < cerkit> At least, if we plan to remain American.
19:18 <@Dagmar> Yep.  Time we have.
19:18 < cerkit> Not really.
19:18 <@Dagmar> Sure we do.
19:18 < cerkit> We're bleeding jobs.
19:18 <@Dagmar> No one's been leveraging it against homes..
19:18 < cerkit> Housing won't bottom until likely around 2011
19:19 < cerkit> if you chart Case-Schiller
19:19 < cerkit> Credit, and our lifestyle based on it, is gone.
19:19 < cerkit> How do you re-inflate the economy?
19:19 <@Dagmar> You wait for people to take their heads out of their asses and stop trying to spend money they don't have.
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19:20 < cerkit> You're not think about the math at all.
19:20 <@Dagmar> I actually am.
19:20 < cerkit> 20% of America...
19:20 < cerkit> right?
19:20 < cerkit> Have loans...
19:20 < cerkit> larger in value
19:20 <@rhia> cerkit: at least the head of the FDIC is working to get the homeowner mortgage situation handled, more than the monkey suits, er, wallstreet teatsuckers, er, Paulson et al are doing
19:20 <@Dagmar> There's a great degree to which what these investment firms have been doing has a completely different name if one individual does what they collectively did.
19:20 < cerkit> than the asset -- the house -- is worth
19:20 <@Dagmar> It's called "check kiting"
19:21 < cerkit> thats called
19:21 < cerkit> being underwater
19:21 < cerkit> Housing...
19:21 < cerkit> will continue to correct
19:21 < cerkit> until 2011
19:21 < cerkit> if you chart case-schiller
19:21 < cerkit> that means by then
19:21 <@rhia> the issue is the house prices keep falling and no-one up the chain can agree on terms, but Bair is rather insistent that it happens (finally)
19:21 < cerkit> 80%
19:21 < cerkit> eight zero
19:21 < cerkit> 80% of America
19:21 < cerkit> will owe the bank
19:22 < cerkit> more than the value of their home
19:22 < cerkit> NOW
19:22 <@rhia> cerkit: sister is a realestate agent, tell me about it - sigh
19:22 <@rhia> exactly
19:22 < cerkit> Dagmar: How...
19:22 <@rhia> see above'
19:22 <@Dagmar> ...which means the banks which have been screwing around adnd lending money they don't really have will be in trouble.
19:22 < cerkit> Dagmar: Do you reinflate the economy?
19:22 < cerkit> In trouble is fine.
19:22 < cerkit> HOW do solve the problem of the deflation?
19:22 <@Dagmar> certkit: Again, you have to wait for people to stop trying to spend money they don't have.
19:22 < cerkit> blame is one thing
19:22 < cerkit> I with blaming people
19:22 < cerkit> lets torch them
19:22 < cerkit> and uh
19:22 < cerkit> chase them with pitchforks
19:22 < cerkit> and all that good stuff
19:23 < cerkit> BUT
19:23 < cerkit> ROME
19:23 < cerkit> is burning
19:23 < cerkit> heh
19:23 <@Dagmar> I intend to be really good at the fiddle, personally.
19:23 <@Dagmar> Got me a nice hat to put on the ground and everything,
19:23 < cerkit> See, I'm more of a fireman, I suppose.
19:23 < cerkit> I'm more interested in how we solve the problem.
19:23 <@Dagmar> It still comes down to people have to stop spending money they don't have.
19:24 < cerkit> But it goes WELL beyond the scope of a cultural change and becomes purely a problem to be solved with some economic solution
19:24 < cerkit> when you have that kind of deflation
19:24 < cerkit> I agree culutural change will contribute
19:24 < cerkit> to the economic recovery process
19:24 < cerkit> but, in the end, it comes down to America is becoming made worthless
19:24 <@Dagmar> You're making it sound like suddenly NES won't have the money to keep the lights on.
19:25 <@Dagmar> Not America.
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19:25 <@Dagmar> "The rich people"
19:25 < cerkit> Do you know anyone..
19:25 < cerkit> who owns a home?
19:25 <@Dagmar> Specifically, the ones that don't actually add value.
19:25 < cerkit> My family isn't rich.
19:25 < cerkit> Nor are my coworkers.
19:25 <@Dagmar> I know several people who own homes.  Some who own most of a home.
19:25 < cerkit> Nor are my 50ish parents.
19:25 < cerkit> Nor are the millions of motherfuckers...
19:26 < cerkit> who live next door
19:26 < cerkit> to a foreclosure.
19:26 <@Dagmar> They didn't screw around and get into a state where they're back to being underwater, or could go back to being underwater
19:26 < cerkit> heh
19:26 <@Dagmar> I still think if you want to fix this shit, don't just hand money to corporations.
19:26 < cerkit> but it seems we've come to position where we disagree.
19:26 <@Dagmar> Hand money to _people_ to stave off foreclosure.
19:26 < cerkit> Some of the people are just as guilty as the corporations.
19:26 < cerkit> Its all a huge moral hazard.
19:27 < cerkit> I don't disagree
19:27 < cerkit> My point is, its systemic now.
19:27 <@Dagmar> People keep their homes, banks _eventually_ get the money, but not before actual *humans* have a shot at it, and then these fucked up loans will have some value just like AIG and so forth want
19:27 < cerkit> You're dealing with dominos...
19:27 < cerkit> all setting each other off in runs...
19:27 < cerkit> Its beyond getting on the TV, or knocking people in the fucking head, to tell them "Save money, have discipline"
19:27 < cerkit> heh
19:27 < cerkit> WAY
19:27 < cerkit> WAY
19:27 < cerkit> WAY-WAY]
19:27 < cerkit> beyond that
19:27 <@Dagmar> Right now it's just corporate entities screaming "save us first" and corporate entities are both amoral and have virtually no sense of self-preservation compared to humans
19:28 < cerkit> I'm sorry to charge this against you again dude, but, you keep ignoring the math.
19:28 < cerkit> You're a bank
19:28 < cerkit> You bought an asset at X
19:28 < cerkit> You sell it to party A at that price.
19:28 <@Dagmar> I would never have extended my shit out 40:1.
19:28 <@Dagmar> Never ever.
19:29 < cerkit> The asset devalues, you're protected by the nature of your loan on the asset.
19:29 < cerkit> The banks lending the houses didn't.
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19:29 <@Dagmar> That's why they don't deserve to continue.
19:29 < cerkit> The banks that securitized the loans made by the banks lending the houses did.
19:29 < cerkit> You see, its all tied together.
19:29 <@Dagmar> I see that they made epic runs of bad investments.
19:29 < cerkit> Bank A lent you money to buy a house right??
19:29 < cerkit> You got a loan. boom.  You're in your house.  lovely.
19:29 < cerkit> 40% down.
19:30 < cerkit> Now, to profitize that loan over 30 years...
19:30 < cerkit> Bank A, sold that loan to Wall St. for a price.
19:30 < cerkit> Wall St. securitized it, and sold it again to another iBank.
19:30 < cerkit> Now...
19:30 < cerkit> You don't pay your loan
19:30 < cerkit> worse
19:31 < cerkit> the whole asset declines in value suddenly
19:31 < cerkit> even worse
19:31 < cerkit> both
19:31 < cerkit> the house of cards... you see
19:31 < cerkit> un fucking folds
19:31 < cerkit> ON EVERYONE
19:31 < cerkit> heh
19:31 <@Dagmar> If you fail to pay your loan obligations, you took out a loan you couldn't handle.
19:32 < cerkit> Wel;l then the next question for you president Dagmar..
19:32 < cerkit> is what do you plan to do about the 27% homeless?
19:32 <@Dagmar> If you buy a loan, or more particularly, a *bundle* of loans that turn out to be impossible to collect on, you made a bad business decision.
19:32 <@Dagmar> In both cases there should be some pain involved.
19:32 < cerkit> that your administration will be dealing with? :)
19:32 <@Dagmar> cerkit: It's called "apartments"
19:32 < cerkit> with what jobs?
19:32 < cerkit> with the collapse of the credit markets, no companies have any money
19:32 <@Dagmar> Not my problem.
19:32 < cerkit> no one has any money to buy their widgets
19:33 < cerkit> they aren't hiring
19:33 <@Dagmar> If the companies don't have any money it's because they weren't doing anything *useful* to contribute *wealth*
19:33 < cerkit> Its a good thing you're not in office, President Dagmar.
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19:33 <@Dagmar> A farmer is contributing wealth because he grows shit he can sell to other people.
19:33 < cerkit> I would not choose to live in the Dagmar Republic.
19:34 <@Dagmar> A carpenter builds shit he can sell to other people, or sells his time to other people to build for them.
19:34 < cerkit> Its fucking merciless.
19:34 < cerkit> heh
19:34 <@Dagmar> certki: The Dagmar Republic would NEVER have engaged in the impossibly stupid practices you're attempting to saddle it with.
19:34 <@Dagmar> I do not take out loans.
19:34 < cerkit> Unfortunately though, this is the case for America.
19:34 < aestetix_> Ok.
19:34 <@Dagmar> I do not spend money I don't have, or am not VERY sure I can maintain.
19:34 < aestetix_> I just got an iPod Touch.
19:34 <@Dagmar> That's their fucking problem.
19:35 < aestetix_> I do not have windows or mac os x running on any of my systems.
19:35 < aestetix_> Am I fucked?
19:35 <@Dagmar> They have to learn this shit doesn't work.
19:35 < cerkit> Dagmar: Well, you don't, but, what if you were trapped on an island, surrounded by people who did? :)
19:35 <@Dagmar> Nothing will change until they do.
19:35 <@Dagmar> \NOTHING.
19:35 < cerkit> You seem to ignore reality.
19:35 < cerkit> heh
19:35 < cerkit> Its not about the me's and you's.
19:35 <@Dagmar> cerkit: I would damn well continue to make sure my shit is growing so I can eat, and that I didn't let my hut fall apart by loaning all my time to other people.
19:35 < cerkit> Who did the right thing.
19:35 <@Dagmar> I would loan my _extra_ time towards helpinng others.
19:35 < cerkit> We're the one's who generally hget shit on, for being American.
19:36 < cerkit> Thats our duty.
19:36 < cerkit> And to clean up messes like this one.
19:36 <@Dagmar> I look at it like this.
19:36 <@Dagmar> I've never tolerated the bullshit these people do.  I've never allowed myself to become entrenched in it.
19:37 <@Dagmar> They're going to experience a LOT of pain because of it.
19:37 <@Dagmar> There's exactly fuck all I can do about their pain except wait.
19:37 < cerkit> You seem to still ignore the fact that, you're trapped on the same island.
19:37 < cerkit> You won't be sterile of the effects.
19:37 < cerkit> Your friends...
19:37 <@Dagmar> So they, and their "we love pretending we actually own shit" lives can burn right to the ground for all I care
19:37 < cerkit> Your family...
19:37 <@Dagmar> I get things done.
19:37 < cerkit> At least...
19:37 < cerkit> thats how its been in my case.
19:38 < cerkit> I've continued along fine.
19:38 <@Dagmar> cerkit: I'm not stupid enough to think I can fix everyone.
19:38 < cerkit> I suppose its more a question of, would you be brave enough to try anyway.
19:38 < cerkit> I don't find that particular stupid.
19:38 <@Dagmar> If I had a *plan*
19:38 < cerkit> Its only stupid if you ignore that risk.
19:39 <@Dagmar> Handing a credit card to the same assholes who created the problem in the first place, isn't a part of that plan ever.
19:39 < cerkit> I guess what I'm saying is...
19:39 < cerkit> Given the paths...
19:39 < cerkit> I would choose to try and help everyone.
19:39 <@Dagmar> Mainly, the ONLY solution I see to this is that people are going to find out hard and fast that they DON'T actually have as much "win" as they thought they did.
19:39 < cerkit> Even if I thought it was possible I would fail.
19:40 < cerkit> Dagmar: The poor... get poorer.
19:40 <@Dagmar> They were all just procrastinating paying their tabs, until suddenly the bar can't order more booze and they can't drink there anymore.
19:40 <@Dagmar> cerkit: Dude, the poor can't really get much poorer
19:40 <@Dagmar> That's the bullshit rich people try and sell to excuse that they're generally trying their damnedest to fleece the poor.
19:41 < aestetix_> You know.
19:41 <@Dagmar> Now the "rich" have found out that while trying to fleece the "rich" seems a lot more profitable, that they're just not as rich as they thought they were.
19:41 < aestetix_> I'm sick of people mooching off me.
19:41 < cerkit> I wish I was as optimistic about people's reaction to the change as you are, you seem to think thosr same people will just walk out of the TGI Fridays and say "Oh well, guess we should go home and become responsible, contributing members of society, our debit cards no longer work"
19:41 < aestetix_> You know, the lower income fools who couldn't make it, and now they want to reap my benefits.
19:41 <@Dagmar> Jesus if they were using debit cards it wouldn't be a problem.
19:42 < cerkit> Some of them are.
19:42 < cerkit> I honestly think its comical how you have all these labels
19:42 < cerkit> pre-prescribed for the bad people
19:42 < aestetix_> And, I don't mean to be rude, but they keep making stupid decisions (like having kids they can't afford) that kills their income level.
19:42 < cerkit> and the people who will be hurt
19:42 < cerkit> and who deserves what
19:42 < cerkit> and how that will play out
19:42 <@dc0de> first day of work! woohoo!
19:43 <@Dagmar> Man it ain't just luck that I've never filed bankruptcy or had someone actaully manage to kill me
19:43 < aestetix_> I wish people would hold themselves up to standards. They'd have more self respect and stop being "victims".
19:43 <@dc0de> Dagmar: no matter how hard we try, you're one resilient fucker.
19:43 < aestetix_> I don't even want to think about how many welfare babies my money has supported, without my consent.
19:43 < cerkit> Dagmar: The point is, do you think those people, who need to learn these lessons, will wake up suddenly, as a result of this?
19:43 < cerkit> Dagmar: That makes no sense.
19:44 < cerkit> The gamers don't change, the game does.
19:44 <@Dagmar> cerkit: Heroin addicts wake up pretty goddamn fast when their money completely runs out.
19:44 < aestetix_> Dagmar: exactly.
19:44 < cerkit> My friends aren't drug addicts.
19:44 <@Dagmar> About the only thing you can do with 'em is wait it out.
19:44 <@dc0de> my friends aren't drug addicts either.
19:44 < aestetix_> cerkit: Do they make irresponsible decisions, though?
19:44 <@Dagmar> I've watched people slide down that slope, and some of them even managed to climb back up it.
19:45 < aestetix_> Most people I've met who are "lower class" put themselves there.
19:45 <@Dagmar> It sucks to watch, but it would be even stupider to give them more smack, or pretend for a moment that doing smack was ever a good idea so they'll feel better about it.
19:45 <@Dagmar> Credit == Smack for corporate entities.
19:45 < cerkit> I will not sit here and defend anyone's choices but my own -- I also don't think its reasonible in a free society to sit around and cast judgement on people for their mistakes and expect upon consequences manifesting they will somehow GROW a fucking brain.
19:46 < cerkit> I'm unfortunately FAR too realistic.
19:46 < aestetix_> cerkit: you mean "rational".
19:46 < cerkit> The fact is, I know people
19:46 < cerkit> Good people
19:46 < cerkit> who will be hurt.
19:46 < cerkit> Who do not deserve it.
19:46 <@Dagmar> cerkit: Yep.  I don't doubt it.
19:46 <@Dagmar> I've seen valedictorians get hooked on smack.
19:46 < aestetix_> Man is a rational being. However, when tricked by his vices, he does stupid things which destroy his character.
19:46 < cerkit> And you abject unwiligingness to observe or acknowledge the fact, that this is widespread
19:46 < cerkit> disturbs me.
19:47 < cerkit> thats all.
19:47 < cerkit> ITs like a McCain/Palin ad
19:47 < cerkit> purely negative.
19:47 < cerkit> heh
19:47 <@Dagmar> In fact, I remember very vividly the look on my gf's sister's face when we had to visit her to bring her *food* after her boyfriend got her to try heroin.
19:47 <@Dagmar> Five months flat.
19:47 < cerkit> Fuck heroine.
19:47 <@Dagmar> She went from being a valedictorian about to graduate to being a complete wreck.
19:47 < cerkit> I'm talking about people who work in retail.
19:47 < cerkit> hahaha
19:48 <@Dagmar> ...and she didn't kick it.
19:48 <@Dagmar> cerkit: Stores can't sell shit without people to sell it.
19:48 < cerkit> I've upscaled enough these days to avoid needle users.
19:48 < cerkit> Dagmar: Wrong.
19:48 < cerkit> They can't sell shit without peole to BUY it.
19:48 < cerkit> heh
19:49 < cerkit> You're very supply-sided in your thinking.
19:49 < cerkit> hehehee
19:49 <@Dagmar> I'm still saying that the main brunt of this is still just going to be that the people who never botehred to work on the other side of the counter and sell shit to customers are going to be the ones well and truly fucked.
19:49 <@Dagmar> It's not like investment bankers are going to take jobs pumping gas.
19:49 < cerkit> I'm trying to tell you that thinking is pure fiction.
19:49 < cerkit> And that the housing market is viral.
19:50 < cerkit> Your neighbor effects your house value and so on.
19:50 < cerkit> Its not a traditional sort of problem, normally, you or I wouldn't really njeed to know about it.
19:50 <@Dagmar> Well, that's fine.
19:50 < cerkit> Since the last major housing correction happened in the 30s.
19:50 <@Dagmar> If I *actually* own my house, that doesn't change just because it loses "value".
19:50 < cerkit> Sure it does.
19:51 <@Dagmar> No, it doesn't.
19:51 < cerkit> Imagine if you bought a bunch of gold -- you own it.
19:51 < cerkit> Gold goes to $1/oz
19:51 < cerkit> you still own it, right?
19:51 < cerkit> heh
19:51 <@Dagmar> If your neighbors all up and down the street got foreclosed on, you might be the only motherfucker living on the street anymore, but it wouldn't take your house away.
19:51 < cerkit> NO
19:51 <@Dagmar> Yes.
19:51 < cerkit> but it takes the money
19:51 < cerkit> you put it in
19:51 <@sdodson> it'd take the value out
19:51 < cerkit> away
19:51 <@Dagmar> It's value to YOU is living in it.
19:51 < cerkit> EQUITY
19:51 < cerkit> NEG
19:51 < cerkit> A
19:51 < cerkit> TIVE
19:52 < cerkit> EQUITY
19:52 < cerkit> heh
19:52 <@sdodson> if all i wanted is a place to live i'd rent a crack house
19:52 <@Dagmar> You can't get negative equity on something you fully own, foool.
19:52 < cerkit> Wow.
19:52 < cerkit> The value to you is living in it?
19:52 < cerkit> Wow.
19:52  * cerkit blinks
19:52 <@Dagmar> You might as well be arguing that the price of gold would drop to minus fifteen dollars an ounce.
19:53 <@Dagmar> People *do* actually own their homes sometimes.
19:53 <@Dagmar> It happsn.
19:53 < cerkit> If you buy something for $10 that you bought for $20
19:53 <@Dagmar> I know there's an entire industry devoted to trying to be sure it never does, but some of these people slip through the cracks each year.
19:53 < cerkit> how much money have you made, Dagmar?
19:53 <@Dagmar> I'm not living in a $10 bill.
19:53 <@Dagmar> If the value of the money itself drops in half, I still own one whole house.
19:53 < cerkit> If you buy something for $210,000 that you sell for $110,000, how much money have you made, Dagmar?
19:54 <@Dagmar> Even if I sold it for half the amount I "paid" for it, I'm still breaking even.
19:54  * sdodson makes a note to check back in an hour from now
19:54 < cerkit> I understand now why there is so much confusion now.
19:54 < cerkit> People don't understand the problem.
19:55 <@Dagmar> Yeah, because some of us actually understand the difference between wealth and money.
19:55  * sdodson just goes back to watching Deal or No Deal waiting to get rich
19:56 <@Dagmar> Money is a unit of currency.  It is wealth in potential.
19:56 <@Dagmar> This is why it can change while sitting in the same place.
19:57 < cerkit> There is no argument, that your idealogical motivations, and your methods, for your own budgeting and economic growth, have done you fine.  If you think they will work as a template for the entire world to somehow adopt as a solution to this problem, which is what you seem to continue to imply, I would think you have clearly misunderstood why the American economy has been as strong as it has for so long.
19:57 <@Dagmar> Your house on the other hand, is actual wealth.  You live in it.  It keeps predators out of your fridge (mostly).  It has immediate utility and gives you, the owner, benefits.
19:57 <@Dagmar> Who says the economy was "strong"?
19:57 < cerkit> No one.
19:57 <@Dagmar> THe people playing the shell game with the money?
19:57 < cerkit> Least of all me.
19:57 < cerkit> It was a giant bubble
19:57 < cerkit> of crap
19:57 <@Dagmar> Exactly.
19:58 < cerkit> And no one wants it to re-inflate.
19:58 < cerkit> But you mistake one problem for another.
19:58 < cerkit> You equate blame with a solution.
19:58 < cerkit> As if you shake your fists at someone who's done wrong the problem somehow blows away in the wind.
19:58 < cerkit> heh
19:58 <@Dagmar> Well, until people figure out that robbing Peter to pay Paul *doesn't work* this shit will be cyclic
19:58 < cerkit> There ARE]
19:58 < cerkit> and I'll say it again clearly
19:59 < cerkit> innocent people
19:59 <@Dagmar> cerkit: No, I equate blame with revenge.
19:59 < cerkit> who will be effected.
19:59 < cerkit> Thats even worse.
19:59 < cerkit> Revenge?
19:59 <@Dagmar> Sure innocent people will be affected, BUT...
19:59 < cerkit> You accept innocent blood...
19:59 <@Dagmar> If people sit on their hands, the *guilty* will be even *less* affected.
19:59 < cerkit> And you willingly claim revenge?
19:59 <@Dagmar> Sure!
19:59 < cerkit> And you expect me to consider what you're saying to be a civilized solution?
20:00 <@Dagmar> If you perpetuate fraud that causes people to lose their homes, you should be made homeless at the very least.
20:00 < cerkit> Do you club your dates and fuck them in the ass?
20:00 < cerkit> hehe
20:00 < cerkit> Revenge is what monkey's take out on other monkey's who steal their bananas.
20:00 <@Dagmar> Appeal to ridicule, although to that degree it might as well be appeal to non sequitir
20:00 < cerkit> heh
20:00 < cerkit> Aren't we beyond revenge?
20:01 <@Dagmar> No, it's revenge in my case because I've avoided being directly affected by this, which would make it "justice" in most people's view.
20:01 < cerkit> Can't be just punish the guilty accordingly, fix the issues, and dirext our focus to prosperity?
20:01 < cerkit> we*
20:01 <@Dagmar> "We" might.
20:01 < cerkit> Revenge is rather craven.
20:01 <@Dagmar> "I" can't.
20:01 <@Dagmar> I can't do a damn thing otehr than say "stop buying shit on credit you dumbasses"
20:02 <@Dagmar> cerkit: I look upon it as justice-by-proxy because other people are going to be too busy trying to figure out how to feed the kids
20:02 < cerkit> I just find your approach to be equal to that of some pissed off parent who thinks they can teach a lesson.
20:02 < cerkit> Thats how I see it.
20:02 <@Dagmar> Yeah, it's a grown-up perspective after all.
20:03 <@Dagmar> Learning from one's mistakes.
20:03 < cerkit> You'd rather embarass and dimish your kids social life, by grounding him, then sitting down and working things out with whatever fucked up thing the kid did.
20:03 < cerkit> Because you expect somehow, up in his or her bed room
20:03 < cerkit> A miraculous thing will take place'
20:03 <@Dagmar> Really? I don't see any goal of embarrassment in my ideology.
20:03 < cerkit> and the kid will have sole revelation
20:03 <@Dagmar> I'm perfectly fine with *just* the guilty going to jail quietly.
20:03 < cerkit> some*
20:03 < cerkit> You want to punish people who don't own homes as well, obviously.
20:04 < cerkit> Or those who use credit cards...
20:04 < cerkit> heh
20:04 < cerkit> As if it were the devil.
20:04 <@Dagmar> Im' not cool with them getting away with scampering off.
20:04 <@Dagmar> cerkit: No, *I* don't have to do anything about those people.
20:04 < cerkit> No.
20:04 <@Dagmar> I don't need to do anything to those people.
20:04 < cerkit> But you're only hurting yourself.
20:05 < cerkit> Those people are far too stupid to know the difference between how and why you fucked them
20:05 <@Dagmar> They're beyond my ability to help them in any capacity other than setting an example of NOT living beyond my means.
20:05 < cerkit> and how and why the banking system fucked them
20:05 < cerkit> to them
20:05 < cerkit> they just get fucked every so often
20:05 < cerkit> and before they can figure out why
20:05 < cerkit> someone else is tee'd up and ready to go
20:06 < cerkit> Its like letting a dog fill a room with shit because eventually he'll run out of space
20:06 <@Dagmar> It isn't terribly hard to figure out how the banking system has fucked those people who it's fucked.
20:06 < cerkit> and that will teach him
20:06 < cerkit> hahahaha
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20:06 < cerkit> I'm suggesting there is a better way, heh
20:07 <@Dagmar> A loan is a bet that you can pay them back by a certain date.
20:07 <@Dagmar> It's a pretty clear cut deal for people who HAVE THE SENSE TO NOT BELIEVE THE BOOKIE'S BULLSHIT.
20:08 <@Dagmar> Epic levels of people are now learning to not believe the bookie.
20:08 < cerkit> Why do you not recognize the fact, that anyone who bought a home, righteous or evil, in the US in the last 10 years, has been butt surfed by a huge over inflation in home prices, that is now collapsing?
20:08 <@Dagmar> The only reason it's "a major problem" is because the bookies themselves have gone too far with it.
20:09 < cerkit> Do you think a 22 year old newly married couple has a fucking clue, as to what that means?
20:09 < cerkit> When they buy a house?
20:09 < cerkit> heh
20:09 <@Dagmar> cerkit: Yeah, but if they can continue to pay their bills, they still have their home.
20:09 < cerkit> Yeah, lets sink their ship.
20:09 < cerkit> Lets rain on their fucking parade
20:09 < cerkit> WOOHOO
20:09 < cerkit> we're gonna teach them!
20:09 < cerkit> yeah!
20:09 < cerkit> hahaha
20:09 < cerkit> whatever man
20:09 <@Dagmar> It's not like Joe the Plumber is working in Arizona but spending all his money in Romania
20:09 <@Dagmar> I have no idea what the fuck this "rain on their parade" shit is about
20:09 < cerkit> You seem to think
20:10 < cerkit> That because the 22 year old wife gets laid off
20:10 < cerkit> because the economy is sinking
20:10 < cerkit> because companies took on the same kinds of credit
20:10 < cerkit> and need to lay off
20:10 < cerkit> that, that person is now a bad person
20:10 < cerkit> because THEY CANT pay their bills
20:10 < cerkit> heh
20:10 < cerkit> or that
20:10 <@Dagmar> You're hallucinating.
20:10 < cerkit> How so?
20:10 <@Dagmar> I believe no such thing at all.
20:10 <@Dagmar> ...nor have I indicated that I believe such a thing.
20:10 < cerkit> You've merciless ranted on for the last 45 minutes
20:11 < cerkit> about how no one who has not owned their home
20:11 < cerkit> or some such
20:11 < cerkit> should get no help.
20:11 < cerkit> Now you're going to soften?
20:11 < cerkit> Cool.
20:11 < cerkit> Lets hear it.
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20:11 <@Dagmar> No, for the last 45 minutes you've thrown up argumentum ridculums galore and I've been saying "No, it ain't like that"
20:11 <@sdodson> It's always someone else who's ruining things.
20:11 < cerkit> But it is.
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20:11 <@Dagmar> I thought I was pretty clear with the heroin addict analogy.
20:11 < cerkit> Do you not look at Case-Schiller?
20:11 < cerkit> Or read about the laysoffs?
20:12 <@Dagmar> The ONLY "sure fire" solution is to wait for them to dry out and learn from their mistakes.
20:12 < cerkit> Thats what we should do with cancer too.
20:12 < cerkit> Just cutoff the arm.
20:12 < cerkit> or whatever it is.
20:12 < cerkit> heh
20:12 <@Dagmar> That's what gets done when nothing else works.
20:12 < cerkit> all the collatoral damage doesn't matter
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20:12 < cerkit> let the heroin addicts dry out
20:12 < cerkit> word
20:13 <@Dagmar> You seem to be suggesting that we should rely on everything else and not even consider for a moment that the person's arm should go to save their life.
20:13 <@Dagmar> cerkit: Let me put this another way...
20:13 <@Dagmar> I know very, very few people who have done heroin for more than five years.
20:13 <@Dagmar> In fact, I know of two.
20:13 < cerkit> I'm telling you, I believe in a free market America where the proper regulated conditions can make use of the current state of consolidation, to create NEW economic stimuli.
20:13 < cerkit> With help from the government.
20:14 <@Dagmar> On the other hand, I know, or knew EIGHTEEN PEOPLE who died from it.
20:14 < cerkit> Thats what I'm telling you.
20:14 < cerkit> I'm telling you that without that help...
20:14 <@Dagmar> Either people stop making a big circle to all fuck each other up the ass at once, or a bunch of them will, in reality, fucking die from it
20:14 < cerkit> there will be further systemic damage, which you, especially may not ackowledge, heh
20:14 < cerkit> but
20:15 < cerkit> it will be there nonetheless.
20:15 <@Dagmar> They will wind up homeless, penniless, starve and freeze to death in the winter.
20:15 < cerkit> Not before robbing some old woman.
20:16 < cerkit> They don't grow brains, Dag.
20:16 < cerkit> They go back to the same behavior.
20:16 <@Dagmar> If you want someone to kick heroin, they *have* to dry out, and you *have* to be prepared for them to experience some really bad shit while it happens, because the *majority case* for them *not* kicking it is _death_
20:16 < cerkit> Gamers don't change, the game does.
20:16 < cerkit> Remember that.
20:16 <@Dagmar> So in another six months I trasnfer some of my assets into guns and ammo.
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20:17 < cerkit> The US army will likely de-arm all of us if comes to all that, man.  At least, thats what they did in Katrina.
20:17 <@Dagmar> People were too freaked out to protest that.
20:18 <@Dagmar> Me, if I've gone to the trouble of squirreling firearms away, no one's fucking taking them.
20:18 < cerkit> Dagmar Rambo, eh?
20:18 <@Dagmar> No, I'm just an adult.
20:18 < cerkit> You realize they come and search you entire fucking house?
20:18 < cerkit> heh
20:18 <@Dagmar> I have no problem keeping a firearm out of sight, unfindable, and lying to people who want to have me just hand it over.
20:18 <@Dagmar> Sure, but no one's going to do that.
20:19 < cerkit> Huh?
20:19 < cerkit> Why not?
20:19 <@Dagmar> It's inane to believe the cops would go door to door doing a detailed search for firearms in every home.
20:19 < cerkit> They don't need to.
20:19 <@dc0de> Dagmar: I'm buying some oiled crates to bury them in the back yard...
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20:19 <@Dagmar> There aren't enough cops by half
20:19 <@Dagmar> dc0de: I got a river
20:19 < cerkit> They can use gun ownership records.
20:19 <@dc0de> cerkit: they don't know what weapons I have...
20:19 < cerkit> Its martial law.
20:19 <@Dagmar> certki: Blah blah blah
20:19 < AstralSin> grrrr upgrade to intrepid has hosed my nvidia driver and i can't seem to fix it
20:20 <@dc0de> cerkit: what are those? We don't have those in Georgia.
20:20 < cerkit> Well, if you have illegal weapons.
20:20 <@Dagmar> AstralSin: The restrticted driver manager is your friend
20:20 < cerkit> thats fine.
20:20 <@dc0de> I don't have to record any weapons in georgia.
20:20 < AstralSin> Dagmar: not this time
20:20 <@Dagmar> "When all guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns"
20:20 < cerkit> I'm not against you owning guns.
20:20 < AstralSin> when X starts with the nvidia driver in use, all i get for a desktop is a 1 pixel tall line across the top of my screen
20:20 < cerkit> As long as I live where I live, and you live where you live...
20:21 < cerkit> its totally cool.
20:21 <@dc0de> cerkit: where are you? Socialist heaven?
20:21 < cerkit> In fact, if I lived where you lived, I'd have guns too.
20:21 < cerkit> dc0de: I live in Communist Russia.
20:21 < cerkit> Da
20:21 < cerkit> motherfucker.
20:21 <@Dagmar> No, he's over in looneyville where they're convinced everyone with a firearm is just a split second away from shooting and killing someone at random for entertainment, apparently.
20:21 <@sdodson> Alright, so we've got a problem.
20:21 <@Dagmar> I live in Tennesee.
20:21 <@sdodson> I'm out of hummus.
20:22 < cerkit> Where I've lived the majority of my life, all the people who owned guns, died first.
20:22 < cerkit> Where I live now, few people have guns.
20:22 <@Dagmar> I grew up in a county where literally, you couoldn't have a foreign invasion because every other goddamn house has enough guns and ammo for themselves and both their "gunless" neighbors on each side.
20:22 <@dc0de> cerkit: oh, you live around stupid people
20:23 <@Dagmar> According to what the "gun control" people would claim, someone should have gotten shot by their neighbor at least twice a year on every street
20:23 <@dc0de> gun control is ensuring that you aim.
20:23 < cerkit> dc0de: Of the year I spent in Tennessee, I wouldn't say I was impressed by the culture.
20:23 <@Dagmar> You should be
20:23 < cerkit> Though, to your credit, I never spent time in Georgia.
20:23 < cerkit> Dagmar: Its a cesspool of racism.
20:23 <@dc0de> cerkit: where are you? california?
20:23 <@Dagmar> As many of those hillbillies are armed and as stupid as they all are it's a damn miracle more of them don't shoot themselves in the wang
20:23 < cerkit> Whats to be impressed by?
20:24 < cerkit> Theres also a lot of religious biggotry
20:24 < cerkit> and
20:24 < cerkit> all sorts of intolerance and shit
20:24  * AstralSin starts cleaning his gun
20:24 <@dc0de> cerkit: and what utopian city do you live in where that doesn't happen?
20:24 < cerkit> Thats exactly why if I lived down there, I'd probably have a gun.
20:25 <@sdodson> s/cleaning/clinging to/
20:25 < cerkit> dc0de: Where I live is far from a utopia.
20:25 < cerkit> But, I have to say, its not nearly as racist as the areas I spent time in, in the south.
20:25 <@dc0de> well? where is that?
20:26 < cerkit> Right now, on the shore, in New Jersey.
20:26 <@dc0de> of course, because there's no racism there... or bigotry.
20:26 < cerkit> Whoever developed the road system and the traffic laws needs their head examined.
20:26 <@dc0de> pluheeeese.
20:26 <@Dagmar> More cultural diversity tends to result in less racism it seems
20:27 < cerkit> dc0de: I didn't say none.
20:27 < cerkit> I said LESS.
20:27 < cerkit> Its this exact type of thinking
20:27 < cerkit> I'm refering to.
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20:27 < cerkit> No attention to detail.
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20:27 < cerkit> No noticing of the specifics.
20:27 < cerkit> This tendacy to generalize.
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20:28 <@dc0de> sorry cerkit, I don't think that there is "less" bigotry and racism in Jersey, it's just different.
20:28 < cerkit> Seeing as I'm here
20:28 < cerkit> and you're there
20:28 < cerkit> I would argue I'm in a better position
20:28 < cerkit> to make the call
20:28 <@dc0de> cerkit: because I don't travel there? Don't have family and friends there?
20:28 <@dc0de> because I'm more travelled that you are?
20:28 <@Dagmar> I just know I saw a lot less racism in San Francisco than I ever did in Nashville
20:29 < cerkit> Because you seem full of yourself.
20:29 < cerkit> heh
20:29 < cerkit> You have no idea where I've traveled
20:29 <@dc0de> oh, yes, that's it...
20:29 < cerkit> to make such an assumed claim is just silly
20:29 < cerkit> You need to relax.
20:29 < cerkit> I have no interest in competing with the likes of you.
20:29 < cerkit> heh
20:29 < cerkit> Go back to your porn and gun collection.
20:29 <@dc0de> cerkit: it actually sounds like you're the one "full of himself"
20:29 < cerkit> kthx
20:30 <@dc0de> ahh, yet another stereotype from Cerkit
20:30 < cerkit> stereotype?
20:30 <@dc0de> I guess I'm just some redneck hick from the hills of Georgia to you then.
20:30 < cerkit> You admitted you had guns.
20:30 <@dc0de> "porn and gun collection"
20:30 < cerkit> Are you going to sit here and tell me you don't haver pr0n?
20:30 < cerkit> PLEASE.
20:30 <@dc0de> I don't have a "collection" of guns, or porn
20:31 < cerkit> Nail me the Marriam-Webster's then.
20:31 < cerkit> to the*
20:31 <@dc0de> I own exactly three weapons, and I'm married, and don't need porn.
20:31 < cerkit> married and don't need porn?
20:31 < cerkit> thats an odd set of phrases put together
20:31 < cerkit> but okay
20:32 <@dc0de> why is that odd?
20:32 <@dc0de> I don't have a need to watch porn...
20:32 <@Dagmar> I don't think you can connect a computer to the internet for more than six months anymore without *some* kind of porn finding it's way onto it.
20:32 <@Dagmar> Particularly if you run Windows.
20:32 <@dc0de> therefore, shortened for you to understand, "I don't need porn"
20:32  * cerkit claps
20:32 < cerkit> Awesome.
20:33 < cerkit> Moving on from dc0de's lack of using porn...
20:33 <@dc0de> cerkit: so, anymore stereotypes you'd like to drop?
20:33 < cerkit> I wasn't dropping a stereotype
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20:33  * brimstone drops it like it's hot
20:34 < cerkit> heh
20:34 <@dc0de> because, you "south jersey shore" types have LESS bigotry and rascism, than us "southern folk"... what's next?
20:34 < cerkit> hahaha
20:34 <@brimstone> joisay?
20:34 < cerkit> now you're putting words in my mouth
20:34 < cerkit> I said where I am now
20:34 < cerkit> was less racist than where I was then
20:34 < cerkit> thats a far, far different statement than you're making it.
20:34 < cerkit> heh
20:34 < cerkit> Why don't we draw lines?  I'll wear blue, you wear grey...
20:35 < cerkit> if you win, you can keep the blckies?
20:35 < cerkit> hahaha
20:35 < cerkit> jeeez
20:35 < cerkit> relax
20:35 <@dc0de> the what?
20:35 < cerkit> BLACKIES
20:35 < cerkit> its called a joke.
20:36 < cerkit> Find the knobs marked offended and amused and adjust slightly.
20:36 < cerkit> The picture will become clearer.
20:37 <@dc0de> sorry, your stupidity makes the picture dull and useless.
20:37 < cerkit> Well, then I shall leave you.
20:37 <@sdodson> don't end it all just because of dc0de!
20:37 <@Dagmar> Only if you take the money junkies with you.
20:37 < cerkit> Enjoy your evening, and especially your insecurity about being from the south.
20:37 < cerkit> And your desire to revolt...
20:37 < cerkit> and... cornbread
20:38 < cerkit> and all that good shit, bro
20:38 <@dc0de> cerkit: I'm not FROM the south... dumbass.
20:38 <@dc0de> I'm from New England...
20:38 < cerkit> well you're more hostile then-a-pentacostal, dude.
20:38 < cerkit> relax.
20:38 <@dc0de> I love idiots like you who try to make shit up about how great you are.
20:38 < cerkit> I'm not great at all.
20:39 < cerkit> At no point during any of this
20:39 <@SkyDog_> I'm about average.
20:39 < cerkit> did I advocate my greatness.
20:39 < cerkit> That would futile.
20:39 < cerkit> As I have little greatness.
20:39 <@dc0de> no, you made alagories to how the south wasn't as great as where you live.
20:39 < cerkit> haha
20:39 < cerkit> next time I'll make pictures.
20:39 <@Dagmar> a-l-l-e-g-o-r-i-e-s/
20:40 <@dc0de> yes, that... thanks Dagmar
20:40 < cerkit> then the jokes will be blindingly easy to spot
20:40 <@Dagmar> :)
20:40 < cerkit> they'll just hop off the page and shit
20:40 <@dc0de> oh, so now you claim that your comments about racism and religion in the south were jokes?
20:40 <@Dagmar> I cna't let that one go
20:40 <@Dagmar> "We don't want to see pictures of your balls"
20:40 < cerkit> Not all of them
20:40 <@Dagmar> rofl
20:40 <@dc0de> well then, STFU.
20:40 < cerkit> Some of them.
20:41 <@Dagmar> I just couldn't let it slide
20:41 <@Peaches84> hey whats up
20:41 <@dc0de> and stop trying to weasel out of what you said.
20:41 < cerkit> who's weaseling?
20:41 < cerkit> What I said is up a few lines.
20:41 <@rhia> does anyone else hear "Galaxy Quest" in McCain's "Never give up, never quit" ("never give up, never surrender!")
20:41 < cerkit> Theres no escaping it.
20:41 <@brimstone> tim allen has better lines
20:41 < cerkit> I'm simply clarifying for you what I said, since you're so goddamn enranged at present
20:41 < cerkit> you lack the capacity to see
20:41 <@rhia> and then go to the next step, it's all hollywood staging?
20:42 < cerkit> its fucking IRC
20:42 <@dc0de> <cerkit> Dagmar: Its a cesspool of racism.
20:42 < cerkit> It is.
20:42 <@dc0de> <cerkit> Theres also a lot of religious biggotry
20:42 <@rhia> damn, i gotta scroll ... sigh
20:42 < cerkit> there is
20:42 <@dc0de> <cerkit> But, I have to say, its not nearly as racist as the areas I spent time in, in the south.
20:42  * brimstone dances!
20:42 < cerkit> it isn't
20:42 <@dc0de> so, which one of those was a "joke".
20:42 < cerkit> all that is true
20:42  * brimstone is the operator with the pocket calculator
20:42 < cerkit> none of them
20:42 < cerkit> those are my ACTUAL...
20:42 < cerkit> opions
20:43  * brimstone adds to the senseless scrolling
20:43 < cerkit> opinions
20:43 < cerkit> heh
20:43 <@dc0de> o-p-i-n-i-o-n-s
20:43  * brimstone pushes down a special key and plays a little melody
20:43 < cerkit> I got it
20:43 < cerkit> thanks, man.
20:43 <@sdodson> too bad fedora doesn't have figlet
20:43 <@dc0de> sdodson: you can't install it?
20:43 <@brimstone> sdodson: let's talk about how cool wow is
20:43 <@brimstone> or how big the latest updated is
20:43 <@sdodson> dc0de: it's not in the repos
20:44 <@sdodson> brimstone: zomg u playz?
20:44 <@dc0de> hrm... sdodson - source?
20:44 <@brimstone> all teh timez!
20:44 <@brimstone> source is for gentoo!
20:44 <@brimstone> graa!
20:44 <@rhia> sigh
20:44  * brimstone throws a keyboard
20:44 <@dc0de> hah
20:44 <@rhia> sorry if i trip the issue
20:44 <@dc0de> sdodson: http://hpux.cs.utah.edu/hppd/hpux/Text/FIGlet-2.2.2/readme.html
20:45 <@rhia> i'm 44 from small town southern GA .... my family are all McCain supporters - from "FEAR" not sense
20:45 <@brimstone> rhia: omg me too!
20:45  * brimstone does not help the issue
20:46 <@rhia> i grew up in the Jim Crow south, the station next to me had "men women and colored" bathrooms until i was 10
20:46 <@rhia> brimstone: you're 44?
20:46 <@brimstone> no, i'm just trying to fit in :(
20:46 <@ziplock> rhia, I'm in a small town in Southern GA, PM me to satisfy my curiosity about where you're from
20:46 <@sdodson> dc0de: too mcuh work
20:47 <@ziplock> I mean, if you want to, of course
20:47 <@rhia> the campaigns are bullshit - the actualities are - no president can do enough harm in 4 years that the next can't fix - BushCo have had 8 which allows them to solidify
20:47 <@sdodson> ziplock: where?
20:47 <@brimstone> 4 more years!
20:48 <@rhia> one campaign is nothing but fear based, one wants to (as 2 others the last century tried) to surpass fear and make Americans reach to what they're capable of
20:48 <@ziplock> sdodson, answered in PM
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20:49 <@rhia> of the two, give me "what we can acheive" over"OMG, they is Evil" any fucking day
20:50 <@dc0de> sdodson: :(
20:50 <@dc0de> sdodson: ubuntu?
20:50 <@rhia> ziplock: grew up in Statesboro when it was 5k, before the university status set in - parents live in Vidalia
20:50 <@ziplock> oh, it ws a big town!  my place has almost 600....
20:51 <@sdodson> dc0de: I assure you that installing ubuntu is far more effort than just building figlet. And given that I'm not willing to build and instlal figlet, what do you think the odds are that I'll instlal ubuntu?
20:51 <@dc0de> sdodson: just playin... ;)
20:52 <@rhia> one campaign can simply grease the path down, one can possibly halt it .... Obama is not a god, in fact, his ideals are flawed, but McCain has sold his soul (to win) to the far right religious nutcases (Palin) and the same fucked up economic plans that have us where we are
20:52 <@dc0de> I'm watching TruTV, and some granny calling the cop a fucking asshole... LMAO
20:52  * brimstone installs figlet from his local debian mirror
20:53 <@rhia> will Obama wave a magic wand and fix everything, hell no (ahem) HELL NO - but his policies MAY stop us from living in cardboard houses
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20:53 <@scort> hji
20:54 <@rhia> cerkit: sorry, - got dinner and ... my own issues ... thanks for carrying the flag ... someone needs to (even if i don't agree with you on a shit ton of stuff)
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20:56 <@rhia> it's a simple issue - war for 100 years to make some old coot "beat" his admiral fraternal genetics or get out now and save 7-10 BILLION a month - keep the same idiotic economics as the last 8 yrs or gamble on something different? - let one die of smoking and have a foreign relations dude with many yrs experience take over or let one die of age and melanoma and let caribou barbie reign
20:57 <@rhia> it's not rocket science - and history shows 4 yrs of change are nowhere near as damaging as 12 yrs of the same
20:58 <@rhia> that is all - i can't take the mindlessness anymore
20:58 <@dc0de> good evening rhia, I hope that you can relax...
20:58 <@ziplock> don't forget the Supreme Court parts of it...
20:58 <@dc0de> it's out of our hands now...
20:59 <@droops> i like how john mccain wants to cut pork spending and not the war spending, thats really going to save some money
20:59 <@droops> but then again im not voting for obama either
21:00 <@rhia> ziplock: i haven't - Obama can ONLY, ONLY keep a balance, McCain/PALIN can slant it far, far right .... that ITSELF is enough to make me vote for the preacherman's singsong
21:01 <@dc0de> danny bonaduce narrating on TruTV is hilarious.
21:01 <@Dagmar> It'll free up more money for the war
21:01 <@dc0de> "I have an interesting scrotum". -- danny bonaduce
21:01 <@Dagmar> dc0de: OKay, if he can say shit like that then there *might* be a reason he hasn't completely faded from the public eye
21:01 <@rhia> i don;t think he's Christ come again, just as i don't see him as the anti-christ (then again, i've read the bible numerous times and NOWHERE is an Obama-like figure in it)
21:01 <@ziplock> rhia, yes, but the added point is that some things a President does can't be undone by the next guy no matter the circumstances, and the Supreme Court appointments are often the longest lasting effects of a presidency
21:02 <@rhia> droops: all the pork spending is barely over one month of the Iraq war
21:02 <@rhia> barely
21:02 <@droops> i know
21:03 <@dc0de> "Gravity has a strange way of showing up when you least expect it" - Gary Busey
21:03 <@rhia> ziplock: Kerry could have overcome some of BushCo in 4 yrs, Obama will be doing good just to stop the slide into cardboard housing depression after 8 years
21:03 <@rhia> mcCain thinks that Bushs economic ways are mostly right, except for pork (see above)
21:04 <@droops> there are 3 big ways to cut spending; military, health care, social security, then comes the federal government employment numbers and silly things like pork
21:04 <@ziplock> and yet Palin was on McC's pork abuse list for a few years, even near the top
21:04 <@rhia> will Obama save us all? pfft!  but McCain damn sure won't, at least Obama has a chance at slowing down the inevitable result of our greedy hubris
21:04 <@droops> oh an buying up stock in private corporations, thats a good one to look into
21:05 <@rhia> droops: palin is a double digit IQ barbie doll - period, jack off to her if you want, do NOT let her choose SC justices or give her the nuclear codes
21:06 <@Dagmar> rhia: Been there, done that.
21:06 <@droops> rhia, why are you targeting me
21:06 <@droops> and i wish we put as much thought into congress as we put into prez
21:07 <@rhia> droops: sorry, typing too fast while cooking in another room
21:07 <@rhia> the sentiment was just my fed up opinion
21:07 <@droops> all good, im voting anti 2 party system
21:07 <@brimstone> "anti 2 party system" lol
21:07 <@droops> as if these people are the best the 2 party system can come up with, we need to do something different
21:07 <@rhia> i've always voted 3rd party since i was 18 (44 now, you do the math on elections)
21:08 <@ziplock> droops, when I met you last weekend I didnt' realize you were the droops from some vids I watched a while back.
21:08 <@ziplock> nice to meet you
21:08 <@rhia> this time, as much as i'd like to write in a vote, i can't - i can
21:08 <@droops> ziplock, please dont talk about old videos
21:08 <@droops> i never should have bought that camera
21:08 <@droops> =o)
21:08 <@droops> and its nice to meet you also
21:08 <@rhia> t in good conscience let the country continue to slide into idiocy, bigotry, and financial ruin
21:09 <@rhia> i vote in local referendums, state contests, etc as well as the 4 yr presidency
21:10 <@droops> this year i get to vote for someone i want, i am very excited about that
21:11 <@rhia> Palin is dangerous, McCain (read his book and read the official records and what the survivors and widows have to say - plus followed his career closely for the last 8 yrs)  is a two faced liar
21:12 <@droops> i dont trust any of them, hence why i think we need more than a 2 party system
21:12 <@rhia> [don't like fundies, don't like fundies - oh, lemme cultivate the fundies by giving a speech at Liberty) for a start
21:12 <@rhia> droops: hells yes
21:12 <@rhia> hence my voting 3rd party up until this one
21:12 <@ziplock> someone say party?
21:12 <@droops> we need to have a party
21:12 <@brimstone> we like, we like to party
21:12 <@droops> some sortr of bit party on the top of a building
21:13 <@droops> err, sort and big
21:13 <@ziplock> muts and I will be having a "no speakers just party" convention soon, y'all come
21:13 <@droops> ziplock, where?
21:13 <@ziplock> dunno
21:13 <@ziplock> I haven't told muts yet...
21:13 <@rhia> McCains blatant pandering to the very sect he campained against made me question, SC made the decision for me, Palin nailed the coffin shut
21:13 <@rhia> and .... the timer beeps ... whatever
21:14 <@rhia> for the record:
21:16 <@rhia> i don't like Obama, i seriously don't think he's got a magic wand to fix the last 2 decades and i'm sure i'll be bitching at him in 6 - 12 months .... but i feel he gives the US at least a fighting chance to get over the race bullshit and the economic fiasco and the medical meltdown
21:16 <@sdodson> SC?
21:16 <@rhia> Supreme Court
21:17 <@rhia> whereas McCain is far too indebted to the far right and BushCo lobbyists to make any changes
21:17 <@brimstone> SC REPRESENT!
21:17 <@sdodson> SCOTUS4LIFE!
21:17 <@rhia> and palin is an affront to anyone with a triple digit IQ, even my family, hardcore McCainiacs agree with that
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21:18 <@rhia> beep - gone ...
21:18 < drunkass> we're no strangers to loovveeee
21:18 < drunkass> you know the rules, and SO DO I
21:18  * drunkass twhirls rhia around
21:19 <@sdodson> When did she start beeping?
21:20 <@rhia> stirred, not burning ....
21:20 < drunkass> i has a burning in my crotch
21:21 <@sdodson> word of advise, don't try to run 40+ xen domains on slow iSCSI storage.
21:21  * brimstone notes!
21:21 <@brimstone> our iscsi is fast though
21:22 <@sdodson> how many vms u rocking?
21:22 <@rhia> for further detail" the Supreme Court is balanced right now, the 2 or 3 possible justices leaving are all liberal .... Obama can only suggest liberals to replace them ... McCain/Palin can slant it far right ... and since he's catered to Falwell (Liberty University speech) and the rest of the extreme far right (Palin, a Dominionist, can't get any further right in the realm of Christianity) .... that alone makes me vote Obama
21:23 <@rhia> can Obama part the seas, heal all ills, fix all issues - of fucking course not
21:24 <@rhia> in fact, i'm sure i'll be bitching about him in a few years .... but at least under him i may be bitching from my own computer in my own house instead of a library PC somewhere
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21:30 <@rhia> the path BushCo had us on could have been diverted in 2004 - but that didnt' happen ... 4 yrs can start or stop bullshit - 8 years solidifies it and makes it damned hard to clean up ... not many of you remember the 70's 80's or even 90's ....
21:30 <@sdodson> or last week
21:31 <@rhia> sdodson: amen
21:31 <@rhia> and that is the crux of the issue
21:31 <@rhia> oddlyl, my family does remember, but they're all FOXites .... sigh
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21:32 <@rhia> and for some bizarre reason can't think beyond fear .... i know, i've had the conversations (numerous) with them and they all fall back on "but FOX says...!  ....
21:32  * rhia weeps
21:33 <@sdodson> who exactly are you debating with right now?
21:34 <@rhia> they're all over 160 IQ - but terrified of the commie socialist black protestant malcomX muslim babykiller
21:34 <@rhia> sdodson: venting.... at this point, i need it
21:34 <@rhia> <g>
21:35 <@rhia> sdodson: NOone will be happier when this fiasco is over than I ... in the meantime, i can opine =)
21:49 <@rhia> if McCain wins, we should ALL appeal to whatever gods or reason or higher power we look to with the utmost clarity ... DON'T let him die in office and let Palin in
21:49 <@brimstone> this monkey's gone to heaven
21:50 <@brimstone> i don't understand how you people can rant about politics for this long
21:50 <@rhia> brimstone: on daiquaris or pina coladas?
21:50 <@rhia> brimstone: grow old, it happens <g>
21:50 <@brimstone> growing old sucks
21:50 <@rhia> brimstone: i is done ... either people vote or they don't ... just had to vent
21:51 <@rhia> brimstone: tell me about it <g>
21:51 < drunkass> 21:51
21:51  * rhia is old crazy cat lady on hill ... damn, no hill
21:51 < drunkass> you knwo what that means
21:51 <@brimstone> more cats!
21:51 < drunkass> link up some boobies!
21:52 < drunkass> http://www.memphisracingscene.com/pp/data/838/medium/boobies.JPG
21:52 < TelcoBob> mom...?
21:52 < TelcoBob> :(
21:52 <@Drag0n> Dad?
21:52 < drunkass> http://media.entertainment.sky.com/image/unscaled/2005/12/12/Scarlett-And-Her-Big-Boobies-1361130.jpg
21:52 < TelcoBob> drunkass: show us your tits!
21:53 < drunkass> http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e165/cmller30/boobies-1.jpghttp://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e165/cmller30/boobies-1.jpg
21:53 < drunkass> TelcoBob: ALL JUGGALETTES SHOW YOUR TITS
21:53 <@Drag0n> http://www.natures-desktop.com/images/wallpapers/1024x768/birds/blue-tits-feeder.jpg
21:54 <@rhia> sorry - xian upbringing - the Rev Wright stuff?? have any of the "righteous christians" READ the bible? Jeremiah and quite a few other Old Testament prophets made the same type arguements when the Hebrews went "off the reservation" ... it's not anti-american, it's a true rendition of bibical censor
21:55 <@Drag0n> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lenlangevin/2793005171/
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21:56 < desertc> economic recession is fine by me -- every time the economy tanks, there is a major sprint with open source software -- look at how far the linux operating system and voip systems advanced from 2001 to 2003
21:56 < desertc> fail, baby, fail
21:57  * desertc goes back to drinking fermented cider.
21:57 < desertc> cheers notlarry
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21:58 <@rhia> desertc: fine, as long as you have a leak resistant roof over your head <g>
21:59 <@rhia> economic recession helps the middleclass (eventually) and the poor (eventually) but a depression can have anyone without a stockpile of money calling a refrigerator box 'home'
21:59 < TelcoBob> eh, economic problems dont really bother me, i live on a few dollars a week and have a good bit in store :-p im ready to sit this thing out as long as it goes :-)
22:01 <@rhia> personally, after 55 k AFTER insurance in medical bills that tanked a good credit rating to a poor one (don't tell me medical bills don't affect  credit, i can show credit reports to counter it)
22:02 <@rhia> i'm tired of fat, rich, white, old dudes telling me that everything's ok ... i don't drink koolaid, no matter the party handing it out ... i pay the bills
22:02  * brimstone hands rhia more koolaid
22:02 <@brimstone> it's taaaassty
22:02 < TelcoBob> shit im all abotu some koolaid
22:02  * rhia tosses koolaid on brimstone 
22:02  * brimstone swims around in koolaid
22:02 <@brimstone> mhmm tastes goooooood
22:02 <@rhia> oops, sorry ... being Republican there <g>
22:03 < TelcoBob> rhia: here is telcobobs wise lesson of the day, doesnt matter how times are live as froogally as humanly possible...thats how we made our first mill
22:03 < TelcoBob> thats why im not so bad off now, despite the whole 200 k i lost in the stock market hah no biggie though
22:04 <@rhia> TelcoBob: the more things change, the more they stay the same .... i'm an avid historian, FDR's economic plan kept us in the depression longer than it should, but his "build an infrastructure" plan shortened it by (on some estimates) 20 years ....
22:05 <@rhia> give me public works and public construction over million dollar tax credits to oil companies making mult-million dollar profits anyday
22:05 <@rhia> i don't want a check
22:06 <@rhia> i want a fucking JOB
22:06 <@rhia> and a Future
22:06 < TelcoBob> hehe i dont really care about depressions, liek the amount of money i have hasnt changed, just its value, hold on to that money and the market will rise hah, you just have to learn to cut all costs, i grow my own food, fix everythign myself
22:06 < TelcoBob> i probibly dont spend but $20 a week
22:06 <@rhia> TelcoBob: you're under 45, right?
22:06 < TelcoBob> i am
22:06 <@rhia> got kids
22:06 <@rhia> ?
22:07 < TelcoBob> nope, i did like dad told me, threw them in a sack and tossed it in the river
22:07 <@rhia> (mine are 22 and 26)
22:07 <@rhia> so, you're ok for now ... studied economic history?
22:07 < TelcoBob> eh i dont really care abotu history
22:07 <@rhia> k ... np
22:08 < TelcoBob> all i knwo is that if your always prepared for the worse youll be fine
22:08 <@rhia> i have ... its an .... obsessive hobby of mine
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22:08 <@rhia> TelcoBob: if YOU are  - can you carry a wife, kids, parents, grandparents on how you are now?
22:09 < TelcoBob> im 20 :-p and i dont plan onm having any dependants soon
22:09 <@rhia> just because you aren't in that position doens't mean a lot are - and you will end up carrying them
22:09 <@rhia> wouldn't you rather it be fairly or unfairly?
22:10 < TelcoBob> not anytiem soon though, but i could say i could support a family how im living
22:10 < TelcoBob> but the catch is\
22:10 < TelcoBob> who else would want to live like this hah
22:10 < TelcoBob> most people like all the luxuries and such, which is why i couldnt stand livoign with someone else
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22:11 <@rhia> a lot of people are sick of this election "oh, every election is THE ELECTION"  - BullShit
22:11 < TelcoBob> hell i spend more on weed than i do bills and food hah
22:11 < cwire> i know i'm sick of all the political ads :(
22:11 <@rhia>  near to TX?
22:11 < TelcoBob> rhia: thats life though haha, every election is going to be the big one becasue there is always room for change
22:11 <@rhia> would rather have weed than liquor, but, don't like jail
22:12 < TelcoBob> rhia: North Carolina
22:12 < TelcoBob> ha! its decriminalized here, just a slap on the wrist unless you sell or traffic
22:12 < TelcoBob> plus if you are good with it they wont bother you, just dont rtavel with it or call any attention to it
22:13 < TelcoBob> or ever have more than what woudl be deemed a personal use amount
22:13 <@rhia> TelcoBob: this one is different - VERY different ... sad that you young ones, who are benefiting from past ones, don't have the historical references to see that
22:13 < TelcoBob> rhia: its no different, politicians are politicians
22:13 <@brimstone> TelcoBob: trust the elderones
22:14 <@rhia> TelcoBob: i've got kids older than you ... i remember the race riots, the sexual revolution that you guys don't even acknowledge - you just enjoy the result
22:14 < TelcoBob> rhia: why is that important?
22:14 <@rhia> TelcoBob: some are, some aren't - this one aren't <g>
22:15 < TelcoBob> rhia: you dont remember the trail of tears, or the end of slavery, or when women gained the ability to vote hah
22:15 < TelcoBob> you dont have to be there to dig it, nor does being there mean you dig it, dig? :-p
22:16 < TelcoBob> rhia: its not the actions or happenings that are important but the message and idea
22:16 <@rhia> TelcoBob: hard to type in one setting ... but everything you accept as "should be" has been fought for, argued for, sacrificed for in order for you to blase-ly say "yeah, so what" about
22:16 < TelcoBob> which any good message should be universal and not just stuck on some ol story about this sit in or this protest
22:17 < TelcoBob> rhia: thats great and all, but i dont see what your point is
22:17 <@rhia> TelcoBob: i remember secregated bathrooms and water fountains, and i know of the still inequal fight for women to get the same pay as men
22:17 < TelcoBob> rhia: i do too hahah it still happens here
22:18 < TelcoBob> the civil rights movement hasnt at all ended
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22:18 <@Dagmar> We still have segregated bathrooms everywhere I go.
22:18 <@rhia> TelcoBob: good to see you see the message as real - don't forget the ones who sacrificed to make it that way
22:18 < TelcoBob> rhia: have you ever been present when the klan mached in to your capital? or had a friend die at the hands of the clan
22:18 <@rhia> Dagmar: TN still has "colored" bathrooms??
22:19 <@rhia> TelcoBob: fuck yeah
22:19 <@Dagmar> I've only ever seen a few nightclubs (mainly risque ones) that have one unisex bathroom.
22:19 < TelcoBob> Dagmar ha!
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22:19 <@rhia> i can show you where the klan met
22:19 <@Dagmar> I've been to Pulaski a few times.
22:19 <@rhia> Dagmar: ha
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22:20 < TelcoBob> rhia: do youi knwo what its like to be discriminated becasue you are of jewish desent? or how my cherokee family doesnt get any of these subsitys the gov promises heheh dont act liek i dont know anything abotu civil righs hah
22:20 < dasunt> meh
22:20 < TelcoBob> rhia: the grand wizard lives down the road from me
22:21 < TelcoBob> heh fiunny story about that accually
22:21 <@rhia> i grew up in the Jim Crow south, my parents (damn yankees) had a cross burned on our front lawn because my mom had the audacity to let the beginning HeadStart meet in our home until they found permanent housing
22:21 <@Dagmar>  I'm 1/8th Irish, 1/16th Cherokee, and very possibly 1/8th Japanese as well
22:21 < dasunt> TelcoBob: My family doesn't even officially count as Indian.
22:21 < dasunt> But so it goes.
22:21 <@Dagmar> Basically, you don't get money unless you've been keeping "pure" apparently.
22:21 <@rhia> Dagmar:   i grew up in the Jim Crow south, my parents (damn yankees) had a cross burned on our front lawn because my mom had the audacity to let the beginning HeadStart meet in our home until they found permanent housing
22:21 <@Dagmar> Good thing I don't give a crap.
22:21 < TelcoBob> Dagmar: we arent gettign shit
22:21 < TelcoBob> the reservation is hell on earth, the people are poor and uneducated
22:21 <@Dagmar> My family never owned anybody, either, far as I know.
22:22 <@rhia> TelcoBob: ever wake up to a bunch of white robes in  your front lawn burning a cross?
22:22 < TelcoBob> rhia: no becasue we have really big dogs and tons of guns hah
22:22 <@Dagmar> rhia: That could be fun if you had a nice weed sprayer and some gasoline in the house.
22:22 <@Dagmar> "Easy kills!"
22:22 <@Dagmar> *squirtsquirtsquirt*
22:22 < TelcoBob> accually the people arounfd here are so afraid of us weve never gotten a trickortreater :(
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22:22 < dasunt> I am decended from a group of people who are regularly mocked and discriminated in the US.  I'm partially Canadian.  :(
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22:22 <@rhia> Dagmar: pfft, mine neither, we were pissant irish sharecroppers or weird talking east european upstarts
22:23 <@Dagmar> dasunt: Your head doesn't look all that floppy, but I knew there was *something*
22:23 <@rhia> Dagmar: i was 5 or 6 ... right around there ... it leaves an ... impression
22:23 < dasunt> Dagmar: It's only a bit, on my great granddad's side.
22:24 <@rhia> TelcoBob: and because you weren't even an hot date idea back then
22:24 < dasunt> Something about a card game, and a dispute who one, and someone ended up dead, and one of my ancestors decided to jump over the border and change his name.
22:24 < dasunt> Er, who won.
22:24 < TelcoBob> rhia: once again i dont see how my age or the spacde i take up on the US time line matters
22:24  * rhia throws up her hands in disgust ... same bullshit channel, same bullshit - period
22:24 <@Dagmar> rhia: It's not bullshit.
22:25 <@rhia> TelcoBob: learn from history or fucking repeat the wost of it
22:25 <@Dagmar> You're just dealing with a group of people who really don't give a flying fuck what race or creed or sex someone else is.
22:25 <@rhia> Dagmar: precisely
22:25 <@Dagmar> We can come up with WAY better reasons to hate or discriminate if we want.
22:25 < TelcoBob> rhia: or just prepare for the worse all along and sit happyly in your bomb shelter as the world crumbles around you
22:25 <@rhia> whatever
22:25  * dasunt prepares to hate Dagmar because he uses the wrong editor.
22:25 <@rhia> you guys just go on .... whatever
22:25 <@Dagmar> rhia: Do you have a problem with your white female friends being white and female?
22:25 <@brimstone> rhia: your nick needs more letters
22:26 <@Dagmar> I'm being serious here.
22:26 <@Dagmar> These people aren't racists.
22:26 <@Dagmar> THAT's why they don't care.
22:26 < TelcoBob> rhia: i dont mean to sound like a prick here, but you seem like you set out with a lot to prove
22:26 <@Dagmar> They're no more sexist than any other lot of geeks who don't have a lot to do with women.
22:27 <@Dagmar> ...and that's really nothing that a few years of social interaction wouldn't fix.
22:27 < dasunt> To be honest, I don't really tend to remember race, gender or sexual orientation of the members in this channel.
22:27 <@Dagmar> Same here.
22:27 <@Dagmar> Yer all the same solor of grey70 to me.
22:27 <@Dagmar> s/solor/color/;
22:27 < dasunt> Dagmar: :D  Racial harmony!
22:27 <@rhia> Dagmar: i attended the funeral of a gay white woman, theology professor,. who attended MLKs speeches - that committed suicide because the deep south couldn't accept her contribution
22:27 < TelcoBob> dasunt: thats one of the nice things about this community, none of that matters
22:27 <@rhia> when i was 11
22:28 <@Dagmar> dasunt: Hey, it's like the saying goes... "On the Internet, no one knows you're really a dog."
22:28  * dasunt is really a dog.
22:28 <@scort> arf arf
22:28 < TelcoBob> rhia: you seem to have a lot of baggage, lighten up or it will kill you heh, no need to have a im more scared than you pissing contest
22:28 < TelcoBob> scarred*
22:29 <@rhia> Dagmar: i'm ... fucking tired tonight... fought too long and too hard and buried too many damn fine people to sit and listen to "what does that have to do with today" bullshit
22:29 <@rhia> Dagmar: good night
22:29 <@rhia> TelcoBob: when you're 40, tell me the same (yes that's ageist - bite me)
22:29 < dasunt> Drag around the past, and you won't see the future.
22:30 < TelcoBob> rhia: i hope to not be alive then
22:30  * dasunt calls dibs on TelcoBob's liver.
22:30 < dasunt> You don't drink, right?
22:30 < TelcoBob> you cant trust old age, it does crazy thigns to the mind
22:30 < TelcoBob> im a horrible drunk
22:30 <@rhia> dasunt: ignore the past or make fun of it - repeat it, in spades
22:31 < dasunt> rhia: The past can be ignored without repeating.
22:31 < TelcoBob> rhia: i could think of no better way to learn about someyhing than to make fun of it
22:32 < dasunt> I would suspect that most people around here, at least in my generation, aren't aware of the racism that was common 60-70 years ago.
22:32 <@scort> i wish all old people would die
22:33 < dasunt> And considering that the majority of that racism was good ol' white-on-white racism, it doesn't seem that there's much danger of it reappearing.
22:33 <@brimstone> i wish i die before i get old
22:33 < dasunt> Although we still make comments about the Finns.
22:33 < TelcoBob> scort: eh i like really old people as long as they have a good story to tell, and maybe a horribly off color joke, i love hearing old people say soethign rude
22:34 <@scort> yeah i agree, they should be caged up and kept just purely for entertainment
22:34 <@scort> good idea TelcoBob
22:34 < TelcoBob> dasunt: i love all nordic peoples, their women are all long, talk, and blonde ,3
22:35 <@sdodson> ick, talk
22:35 < TelcoBob> i dated a swedish girl for a while, she was so classy, she alwasy carried around a wine glass to drink her box wine with *sigh*
22:35 < dasunt> Up here, in the old mines, they used to put different nationalities together in teams, since the racism and lack of a common native language tended to prevent unions.
22:35 < TelcoBob> but it just couldnt work out...as the song goes, i wanna kiss her but shes way too tall
22:36 < TelcoBob> dasunt: thats funny becasue here it was the exact opposite, your lower class people didnt see color, the white worked the filds with the blacks and same in the mills
22:36 < TelcoBob> of course this wasnt universally true
22:37 < TelcoBob> but it was your middle and upper class that was rasict
22:37 < dasunt> TelcoBob: Rural northern Minnesota was so poor we didn't have people of other skin colors to hate.  We had to make do with hating each other.
22:38 < TelcoBob> hahah yea i remember my dad telling me about the time when he saw his first black person in real life hahah that miust be insane
22:38 <@rhia> dasunt: 60 -70 years ago, try 30
22:38 <@sdodson> drunkass: hooray for boobies!
22:39 < dasunt> rhia: National hatred even 30 years back seemed to have been well on its way of dying or being dead in northern Minnesota.
22:39 < TelcoBob> this dude introduced him to that devil music called rock, and dad used to go sneak in to the old juke joints on the chitlun circuit down here...where he met james brown
22:39 < dasunt> It's about the 70+ year olds that still occasionally show national hatred.
22:39 < TelcoBob> who he claims to have taught how to dance hahah
22:39 <@rhia> dasunt: so, the whole "i ain't voting for the nigger" this year is .... dead?
22:40 < TelcoBob> dads a bit off his rocker...but thats a gebneral trend in my family, sanity is so overrated
22:40 < dasunt> rhia: Well, I have heard someone say "I'm voting for the nigger"
22:40 < TelcoBob> rhia: no but i aint voting for that woman
22:40 < TelcoBob> heh
22:40 <@scort> hi how do i boot a cd
22:40 <@Dagmar> It's just convenient for giggles that she's a woman
22:40 < dasunt> PC language really isn't a strong point with the 50+ crowd.
22:40 <@Dagmar> She'a big effing moron any way you slice it
22:40 < TelcoBob> thats the funny thing about all teh bigots i know, they pull out their scale of hate and are like...eh...woman?....eh black guy....
22:41 <@Dagmar> I kinda agree there
22:41 <@Dagmar> It's gotta be driving the bigots fucking NUTS in this election
22:41 < dasunt> Supposedly, Larry Summers is getting talked about to be in Obama's cabinet.
22:41 < dasunt> Y'know, the same guy that thinks women might be programmed to be mommies and thats why they make less in the workplace.
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22:41 < TelcoBob> Dagmar: all we need is two black lesbian half jews running against eachotehr hahaha i think half the people here would explode
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22:42 <@Dagmar> lol
22:42 <@Dagmar> That would be cool
22:42 < TelcoBob> black lesbian half jews that have adopted children
22:42 < TelcoBob> it would be awesome and kinky
22:42 < TelcoBob> but like every year, my vote is with Mojo Nixon and Al Strowger
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22:43 < TelcoBob> and mayor mccheese
22:43 <@Dagmar> We gotta get him to run again
22:43 <@sdodson> dc0de: figlet is not gpl compatable
22:43 < dasunt> TelcoBob: Meh, to get a real reaction around here, have them talk about a tax system that redistributes wealth.
22:44 < TelcoBob> haha
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22:45 < SwordManX> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v424/eric_r/img11/1225652012271.png
22:45 < TelcoBob> dasunt: eh i leave politics for the people that like to throw their own shit about a small room of lies.....or something like that
22:45 < TelcoBob> but i sure as hell cant wait for that sarah palin porno
22:45 <@Dagmar> Then Google it
22:46 < SwordManX> its already out
22:46 < SwordManX> the first episode atleast
22:46 <@Dagmar> Let me assure you that you are four search terms and three mouse clicks away from seeing it
22:46 < TelcoBob> Dagmar: you mean the one where Bill and Obama are runnign a train on her?
22:46 <@Dagmar> No the one with two "russians"
22:46 < TelcoBob> cause i had an awesoem dream about that last night
22:46 <@Dagmar> ...or at least that's what I found.  I don't know about any others.
22:47 <@Dagmar> I wastched about a minute of it.
22:47 < TelcoBob> Dagmar: does she "shoot the moose" in it ;) ;)
22:47 <@Dagmar> I was laughing my ass off about how READILY it turned up in a websearch the whole time
22:47 <@Dagmar> Dunno.  Like I said, I only watched about a minute o fit
22:47 <@sdodson> At which point he splooged on his keyboard shorting out his pc.
22:48 < TelcoBob> i think sdodson is a witch, how else would he have know that
22:48 < TelcoBob> omg sdodson!
22:49 < TelcoBob> remember that old guy that "woprked for ibm" that used to come to the meetings?
22:49 < TelcoBob> turns out he is fbi hahah hes the guy that raided pacifico
22:49 <@sdodson> Ya.
22:49 <@Dagmar> Really?
22:49 <@sdodson> David?
22:49 < dasunt> TelcoBob: "A bridge to no underwear"?
22:49 <@Dagmar> I don't remember him, but then I've missed a lot fo meetings.
22:50 < TelcoBob> sdodson: if he was talking about the guy i think he was
22:50 < TelcoBob> hes the only old guy we got in that time period, and the agent in small talk made it clear he has attemded meetings and wastaking down names
22:50 < GodFix[HC]> http://www.wikio.com/video/526278
22:50 <@sdodson> TelcoBob: I'm talking about the guy who was always there and talking about needing a job.
22:51 <@sdodson> Oh well, don't care, pacifico needed to be run into the ground.
22:51 < TelcoBob> sdodson: yea, hes a cool kid though
22:51 < TelcoBob> and i mean he took down 4chan, which is a godsent
22:51 <@Dagmar> Jesus
22:52 < TelcoBob> hahah the fucking btards has signs going all the way from 440 to his house
22:52 <@Dagmar> Doesn't that raise the aggregate IQ of the Internet a few points?
22:52 <@sdodson> Ya, it's just that he does things like that and then wonders why he gets shit.
22:52 < TelcoBob> hah
22:52 <@sdodson> like "omg all I did was take down 4chan, why are people pissed at me?"
22:52 < TelcoBob> sdodson: yea like sunday he calls me up and wants me to take acid with him at an abandon water treat ent plant in cary and im thinking to myself...wow you like trouble dont you haha
22:53 < TelcoBob> sdodson: you have to admit though, pissin goff btards does get soe mcool points...just how he did it was imature
22:53 <@sdodson> I don't really know what he did.
22:54 <@sdodson> I just know that he was whining when people started harassing him. I just told him "sleep with dogs and you'll wake up with fleas"
22:54 <@brimstone> TelcoBob: you got friends like that too?
22:54 < TelcoBob> he wrote a program exploiting some remote file incultions exploit and pwned 4chan
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22:54 < TelcoBob> sdodson: hahah funny becasue i think that chick he slept with at shakori hills had fleas hah
22:55 <@sdodson> hah
22:55 <@sdodson> HE's not even 16 is he?
22:55 < TelcoBob> sdodson: it makes me sad though, becasue hes a really smart kid.....he just sees himself as the leet zerocool
22:55 < TelcoBob> no haha
22:55 < TelcoBob> he had to get me to buy him cigarettes and give him a ride home haha
22:56 <@Dagmar> Well, if he took down 4chan, he pretty much is Zero Cool.
22:56 <@sdodson> Ya,t hat's sort of funny, he gets his dad to drive him and a bunch of kids all the way to hope.
22:56 < TelcoBob> but then again i was no better at his age, i was busty getting on walmsaart pa systems and yelling cactus -_-
22:56 <@sdodson> His parents have to be oblivious.
22:56 <@Dagmar> General improvement of the internet, well timed exploit, demonstration of a greater knowldge of systems than the people running them, affecting thousands of people with no serious "damage"
22:56 <@Dagmar> What's not to like about it?
22:57 < TelcoBob> Dagmar: its called self preservation haha, he who acts stupidly gets fucked in jail
22:57 < TelcoBob> he was young though, thats what saved him hah
22:58 < TelcoBob> Dagmar: plus the btards were damaged, they couldnt get their hentai kiddie pron
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22:58 < TelcoBob> and their secure shell of likemindeds was busted
22:58 <@Dagmar> Fuck the btards and their hentai
22:58 < TelcoBob> and they had nothing to fap too :(
22:58 < TelcoBob> Dagmar: amen haha
22:58 <@Dagmar> It's NOT LIKE THERE'S A SHORTAGE OF PORNO ON THE INTERNETS
22:59 < TelcoBob> so i went out on a dqate with this girl one time, and she was brilliant, a med student at duke univ. and we were talkign..and she was like your into computers right...yes...do you like 4chan?
22:59 <@Dagmar> Rule 34 has no diminishing returns
22:59 < TelcoBob> then she started going through lolcats
22:59 < TelcoBob> and i was like...you knwo what i forgot..im gay
22:59 <@Dagmar> I know exactly what I would ahev done there
22:59 <@Catonic_lp> unf
23:00 <@Dagmar> Oh yeah
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23:00 < TelcoBob> she stalked me for a clear month after that, she was all "we were suppose to get married, my i saw it in a vision"
23:01 < TelcoBob> god she was crazy, and my mistake was i tried to be friends with her too
23:01 <@brimstone> should have told her "vote yes to prop 8 then!"
23:01 < TelcoBob> well turns out she had some funk dfown stairs too, glad i didnt eh?
23:01 < TelcoBob> :-p
23:03 < TelcoBob> man i need a cancer stick, brb
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23:06 <@scort> good job crucial
23:06 <@scort> they sent me the wrong ram!
23:09 <@scort> pc2-8500 != pc2-6400
23:10 < dasunt> Dagmar: My receding sanity is a diminishing return of rule 34.
23:11 <@scort> same
23:11 <@Catonic_lp> Thank you, rule 34. I'll never run out of unexplored kinks.
23:12 <@sdodson> scort: does it not work?
23:12 <@scort> it works
23:12 <@scort> but wrong speed
23:12 <@scort> i send them faster ram and they're trying to jew me
23:13 <@Catonic_lp> really? They are trying to turn you into a jew?
23:13 <@scort> yeah
23:13 <@scort> i had my barmitzva last week
23:13 <@Catonic_lp> are you being stalked by rabbis attempting to circumcise you in your sleep?
23:13 <@scort> well they know im already cut
23:13 < dasunt> Catonic_lp: Rule 34 is bad, bad.
23:14 < dasunt> It rapes your childhood.  And not the parts that, if your mind was so bent, you could see perverted.  But the parts you had no idea about.
23:14 <@Catonic_lp> dasunt: I know. I know.
23:14 <@scort> f a g s
23:16 <@Peaches84> i whats wrong with fags
23:16 <@Peaches84> lol
23:16 <@scort> i thought you left
23:16 <@Peaches84> i am back
23:16 <@brimstone> Peaches84: scort hates fags
23:16 <@Peaches84> just took a shower feel better and i am back
23:17 <@Peaches84> oh well he will get over it
23:17 <@scort> wb
23:17 <@Peaches84> thanks
23:17 <@Peaches84> cory is asleep on the couch
23:17 <@scort> yeah brim
23:17 <@scort> im a big homo hater
23:17 <@Peaches84> lol
23:17 <@scort> vote yess on prop 8
23:17 <@scort> etc etc
23:17 <@scort> god hates fags
23:17 <@Peaches84> lord
23:17 <@Peaches84> well he has always been good to me
23:18 <@scort> oh
23:18 <@scort> im a bit biased and bitter
23:18 <@Catonic_lp> God hates me, but I'm not a fag.
23:18 <@Peaches84> and i am Real gay
23:18 <@scort> Catonic_lp, thats diff
23:18 <@Peaches84> all Catonic_lp are u cut or uncut
23:18 <@scort> cut
23:19 <@Catonic_lp> Peaches84: I've shared enough here as it is. I'm keeping a few secrets.
23:19 <@Peaches84> ok well that means ur cut
23:19 <@Peaches84> lol
23:19 <@Peaches84> anyway
23:19 <@Peaches84> you know i am playing Catonic_lp
23:19 <@scort> he's also never seen a pussy
23:19 <@Peaches84> i have
23:20 <@Peaches84> fingered it to
23:20 <@scort> not u
23:20 <@Peaches84> yeah
23:20 <@Peaches84> in highschool
23:20 <@Peaches84> a girl i was dating we were on the bus back home from a competition and her mom was 2 seats in front of us
23:20 <@Peaches84> she tryed to give me head and i gaged her lol
23:21 <@scort> lul
23:21 <@brimstone> band camp?
23:21 <@Peaches84> and so i fingered the hell out of her and
23:21 <@Peaches84> yeah
23:21 <@Peaches84> lol
23:21 <@scort> so this one time
23:21 <@scort> at bandcamp...
23:21 <@Peaches84> yeah
23:21 <@scort> i stuck a flute up my pussy
23:21 <@Peaches84> i also stole about 4 guys clothes while they were in the shower and they had no towel or clothes
23:21 <@Peaches84> wow did it hang on anything
23:21 <@Peaches84> lol
23:22 <@scort> ya
23:22 < GodFix[HC]> I stuck a grey goose bottle in some chicks pussy at PN
23:22 <@scort> lul
23:22 <@Peaches84> really
23:22 <@scort> no pics?
23:22 <@Peaches84> this  year or another year
23:22 < GodFix[HC]> no pics
23:22 < GodFix[HC]> yet
23:22 <@Peaches84> lol
23:22 <@Peaches84> i like that GodFix[HC]
23:22 < GodFix[HC]> but they may be on her website
23:23 <@Peaches84> yeah well liqure brings out the best in people
23:23 <@Peaches84> and in
23:24 <@Peaches84> i saw quite alot at PN
23:24 <@Peaches84>  but i had a great time cain't wait till next year
23:24 < GodFix[HC]> someone got video of me that I HAVE to see
23:24 <@Peaches84> what were u doing
23:25 < GodFix[HC]> dancing
23:25 <@Peaches84> aww
23:25 < GodFix[HC]> with a hula hoop
23:25 <@Peaches84> i did the drunken hula hoop
23:25 < GodFix[HC]> about 5 other ppl inside it
23:25 <@Peaches84> i think i remember seeing that
23:25 <@Peaches84> god did i meet you at PN
23:26 < GodFix[HC]> yeah
23:26 <@Peaches84> i thought so
23:26 <@Peaches84> i think just about everyone remembers me
23:26 < GodFix[HC]> we were talking about who had the bigger man boobs
23:26 <@Peaches84> lol
23:26 <@Peaches84> i got some nice ones but of course i usto do drag so they came in hadny
23:27 <@Peaches84> handy
23:27 <@Peaches84> but yeah i remeber
23:27 <@Peaches84> i am thinking about having my stomach worked on so for the first time in my life i have a flat stomach but not sure i will i want to see how much it will cost first
23:28 <@Peaches84> i think i am going to give al a run for his money next year at best dressed at you suck night
23:28 <@sdodson> scort: it's higher speed than you ordered, right?
23:28 <@sdodson> They may not have had any of the slower crap.
23:28 <@scort> no
23:28 <@scort> it's slower
23:28 <@scort> then what i sent them
23:28 <@Peaches84> GodFix[HC]: you think i could do it
23:28 <@sdodson> scort: eep
23:28 <@Peaches84> what about u Catonic_lp
23:28 < GodFix[HC]> hmmmm....
23:28 < GodFix[HC]> I'm not sure
23:29 <@Peaches84> i can make clothes
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23:29 < GodFix[HC]> you'll need plenty of spunk in your hair to keep up
23:29 <@Peaches84> well i should have long hair by next PN or else i will get Tracks put in
23:29 <@Peaches84> i may have to have a mohawk next year a real one
23:30 <@Peaches84> well al couldn't even keep his up it had a gay limp
23:30 <@Peaches84> Catonic: ping
23:30 < GodFix[HC]> I think I'm gonna get full body hair extensions and go as a wookie for next year
23:30 <@Peaches84> lol
23:30 <@Peaches84> i know how to do that shit
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23:32 <@Peaches84> i can do makeup and hair make clothes jewerly just about  anything i can do
23:32 <@Peaches84> hey Catonic_lp
23:32 < GodFix[HC]> i need to find a way to approach certain ppl easier for the next con
23:32 <@Peaches84> like what u mean
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23:32 < GodFix[HC]> like "hey baby wanna wrestle" doesn't wuite work anymore
23:32 <@Peaches84> aww
23:33 < GodFix[HC]> however;
23:33 <@Peaches84> how about laying your shirt or coat on the back of the couch and ask her to reach over and pick it up  then   nail her
23:33 < GodFix[HC]> hey baby, want some grey goose" seemed to work
23:33 <@Peaches84> yeah
23:33 < GodFix[HC]> haha
23:33 <@Peaches84> i was giving out patrone but wasn't trying to get lucky
23:34 <@Peaches84> i saw some nice tits thou at PN
23:34 < GodFix[HC]> i was giving out Patron but that was because I had so much
23:34 <@Peaches84> i love tits
23:34 <@Peaches84> lol
23:34 < GodFix[HC]> had to give the last bottle tosomeone and said "it's yours now"
23:34 <@Peaches84> you was going to give it to me i think but i ran away  and got naughty
23:34 < GodFix[HC]> there was this one girl there...
23:34 < GodFix[HC]> haha
23:34 <@Peaches84> that narrows it down
23:35 <@scort> bbl driving around town
23:35 < GodFix[HC]> yeah, I'm gonna be vague on that to not incrimanate anyone
23:35 <@scort> pickin up chicks
23:35 < GodFix[HC]> I got her so drunk though
23:35 <@scort> drinkin 40s
23:35 <@scort> smoke big blunts
23:35 <@scort> get some white
23:35 <@scort> and some ice
23:35 < jnds> ;o
23:35 <@Peaches84> was that what u was doing scort
23:35 <@scort> im iced out, snowed up
23:36 <@Peaches84> at least u wasnt snowballed
23:36 <@scort> no not really
23:36 <@scort> snowballin sounds fun
23:36 <@Peaches84> you know what snowballing is
23:36 <@scort> yeah
23:36 <@Peaches84> ok
23:36 <@Peaches84> making sure
23:37 <@scort> semen spit swap
23:37 <@Catonic_lp> LEAVING...
23:37 <@Peaches84> yep
23:37 <@Peaches84> lol
23:37 <@scort> hahahha
23:37 <@Peaches84> you will be ok Catonic_lp
23:37 < jnds> wowow
23:37  * scort touches Catonic_lp in inappropriate ways 
23:37 <@Peaches84> we are broading your horrizons
23:37 <@Peaches84> its ok Catonic_lp just tea bag him
23:37 <@Peaches84> lol
23:37 <@Peaches84> jk
23:37 < GodFix[HC]> Catonic actually asked me if I was guy because I kept coming around and giving him drinks
23:38 <@Peaches84> i thought u was a guy
23:38 <@Peaches84> oh u mean gay
23:38 <@Peaches84> lol
23:38 < GodFix[HC]> damn greasy fingers
23:38 < GodFix[HC]> can't type
23:38 < GodFix[HC]> yeah
23:38 <@Peaches84> well i gave out drinks mostly to girls thou
23:38 < GodFix[HC]> I gave out drinks to whoever would drink them
23:38 <@Peaches84> yea put the lube down and whipe your hands and both hands back on the keyboard
23:38 <@Peaches84> aww give me some next year
23:39 <@Peaches84> lol
23:39 < GodFix[HC]> I'm only bringing 1 bottle of Patron next year
23:39 < GodFix[HC]> and maybe 3 bottles of Grey Goose
23:39 <@Peaches84> thats all i brought and i still got some here with me now
23:40 <@Peaches84> lol
23:40 < GodFix[HC]> bringing 4 bottles of Grey Goose to OZ
23:40 <@coil> damn
23:40 <@coil> gonna stick them all up someones pussy
23:40 < GodFix[HC]> no, that's what my custom dildo is for
23:40 <@coil> pics
23:40 <@Peaches84> he going to have them lined up and twisting them like rollars on a assebly line
23:40 < GodFix[HC]> a personalized latex shocker
23:41 <@Peaches84> oh really
23:41 <@Peaches84> you had one made
23:41 < GodFix[HC]> yeah, it's instant DP for the girl
23:41 <@Peaches84> kool
23:41 < GodFix[HC]> or for 2 girls if I get creative enough
23:42 <@Peaches84> yeah i know a guy that made a exact replica of his cock and then would us it while he was fucking his gf
23:42 <@coil> nice
23:42 <@Peaches84> yeah
23:42 <@droops> where do you get custom cock work done?
23:42 <@Peaches84> mmmm
23:42 <@Peaches84> not sure where he got his but   you can buy the kit to do it at home
23:42 < GodFix[HC]> the red light district
23:42 <@coil> yay kit
23:43 <@Peaches84> well they cleaned up most of here in nashville
23:43 <@coil> hi how do i make my own cock!!?!?!?
23:43 < GodFix[HC]> just outside the Days Inn
23:43 <@Peaches84> lol
23:43 <@Peaches84> well actually the  stadium in
23:43 <@Peaches84> you know that big lighted bridge we have here in nashville next to the football stadium
23:43 < GodFix[HC]> the next contest, drunken sybian riding
23:44 < GodFix[HC]> see who can stay on the longest
23:44 <@Peaches84> there was a 22 yo guy from canada that was leaving the titans game the other night and fell off there 90 feet and never came back up
23:44 <@Peaches84> well i won't sign up for that contest lol
23:45 <@remoford> GodFix[HC]++
23:45 < GodFix[HC]> I'm actually gonna be good. I was good this year. I babysat the girl I got plastered until I got her downstairs
23:45 <@someninja[HC]> fucking canadians
23:46 <@Peaches84> yeah well
23:46 <@Peaches84> ya know
23:46 <@Peaches84> did you hear about that someninja[HC]
23:46 <@remoford> not canadians, canuckistanis
23:46 <@Peaches84> hey  GodFix[HC] where u  live
23:47 <@Peaches84> like state city not like physical hom addy
23:47 < GodFix[HC]> that's a trick question
23:47 <@Peaches84> no
23:47 < GodFix[HC]> i practically live at work
23:47 <@someninja[HC]> i heard they were looking for a corpse
23:47 <@Peaches84> what stat u in
23:47 <@Peaches84> yeah they havn't found it yet
23:47 < GodFix[HC]> I live about 20 mins from the HC
23:47 < GodFix[HC]> just outside Nashville
23:48 < GodFix[HC]> litterlly 1 exit outside Nashville
23:48 <@Peaches84> his buddy went into the water looking for him with some search and rescue people and they still haven't found anything
23:48 <@someninja[HC]> hes proably like 100 miles down stream by now
23:48 <@Peaches84> yeah we live in antioch
23:48 <@Peaches84> ya
23:48 < GodFix[HC]> I'm like 10 mis from ya
23:48 <@Peaches84> probally hung in some bush or on some lib
23:48 <@Peaches84> kool kool
23:49 <@Peaches84> i work off harding its a bitch but its work
23:49 < GodFix[HC]> I use to live right off harding and I-24
23:50 < drunkass> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxlwYP0HNdc
23:51 <@someninja[HC]> with a video like that it gives me hope for the youth of the nation
23:51 <@Peaches84> that was awsome
23:52 <@Peaches84> i liked that
23:52 <@Peaches84> i usto go to that hooters alot
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23:55 <@Peaches84> http://www.newschannel5.com/Global/story.asp?S=9281217
23:55 <@Peaches84> thats the thing i was talking about  they canadian guy that fell off bridge
23:55 <@scort> we are we are
23:55 <@scort> the youth of the nation
23:57 <@Peaches84> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzyT9-9lUyE
23:58 <@Peaches84> this is funny as heck
23:59 <@Psyiode> haha crumping you can believe in
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