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05:55 <@Catonic> http://www.psynews.org/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t51750.html
05:55 <@Catonic> nsfw
06:09 < aestetix> man
06:09 < aestetix> drunk + project euler = fun
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06:37 <@Catonic> sup aestetix
06:38 < aestetix> heh
06:38 < aestetix> I think I just killed this guy's server
06:38 < aestetix> I am trying to factor a number
06:39 < aestetix> but it's a huge huge number
06:40 < aestetix> I probably shouldn't have done that on his server. Oh well.
06:45 <@Catonic> how much HP you need? how many processors?
06:45 <@Catonic> I could fire the job off on some spare hardware.
06:57 < aestetix> poor girl
06:57 < aestetix> some chick in IRC asked if I could tell her my girl problems
06:58 < aestetix> two lines into it "ok wow this is fucked up"
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08:25 <@Catonic> lol
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09:19 < cerkit> Jesus.  Apple is nuts.
09:19 <@sdodson> cerkit: How so?
09:20 < cerkit> sdodson: Well, there are better examples I guess, but, everytime I try to put together a Pro, its more than $4k.
09:20 < cerkit> I could put together a comparable machine for much less.
09:21 <@sdodson> Are you putting anything more than the base amount of ram?
09:21 <@sdodson> If so, don't.
09:21 < cerkit> Thats +$100
09:21 < cerkit> Thats not really a problem.
09:21 <@sdodson> Apple makes you teabag them for ram upgrades.
09:21 < cerkit> Its the +$1700 for a monitor for instance...
09:21 < cerkit> I could fucking by an Air
09:22 < cerkit> for the cost of the monitor
09:22 <@sdodson> Which monitor is that?
09:22 < cerkit> 26"
09:22 < cerkit> Apple Cinema Display
09:22 < cerkit> or whatever
09:23 <@sdodson> 30"?
09:23 < cerkit> No
09:23 < cerkit> 26"
09:23 <@sdodson> They don't offer a 26" afaik. 20, 23, 24, 30.
09:23 < cerkit> Uh
09:23 <@sdodson> Are you talking about the new one?
09:23 < cerkit> I'm not talkinhg about Laptops
09:23 < cerkit> I'm talking about the Mac Pro
09:23 < cerkit> Desktop
09:24 <@sdodson> nope, not seeing a 26" display in the list of options.
09:24 < cerkit> wtf
09:24 < cerkit> I have the config right here
09:24 <@sdodson> pics or shens
09:25 < cerkit> dude
09:25 < cerkit> that literally changed in the last 48 hours
09:25 < cerkit> I have a print out
09:25 < cerkit> of one of those configured
09:25 < cerkit> with a 26"
09:25 < cerkit> for $1699
09:25 < cerkit> Now it has a 30"
09:25 <@sdodson> # None
09:25 <@sdodson> # Apple Cinema Display (20" flat panel) [Add $599.00]
09:25 <@sdodson> # Apple Cinema HD Display (23" flat panel) [Add $899.00]
09:26 < cerkit> for $1799
09:26 <@sdodson> # Apple Cinema HD Display (30" flat panel) [Add $1,799.00]
09:26 < cerkit> right
09:26 < cerkit> That must have changed since Friday
09:26 <@sdodson> Is this direct from Apple or from Best Buy or some shit, because Apple hasn't offered a 26" display, EVAR afaik.
09:26 < cerkit> Dude
09:26 < cerkit> Friday...
09:26 < cerkit> It said 26"
09:26 <@sdodson> must have been a fuckup
09:27 <@sdodson> They do have a sweet 24" LED based LCD now, it makes me happy in the pants.
09:27 <@sdodson> I'mr eally hoping that market takes off cause I want a 24"
09:27 < cerkit> Well, unfortunately, I'm not involved in maintain their store, so, I wouldn't know a fuckup from a fuckdown, on there.
09:27 < cerkit> I just know thats an insane price for a monitor
09:27 < cerkit> shit, both of them.
09:27 < cerkit> the 26" and the 30"
09:29 < cerkit> I won't be switching any time soon.
09:29 < cerkit> Not at these prices.
09:29 < cerkit> I'd feel like those idiotsi n the 90s who spent $3000 on a Packard Bell
09:30 <@sdodson> Average price of a 30" (non LED) on New Egg is $1599. They have 4 comperable products.
09:30 <@sdodson> $1549 rather
09:30 < cerkit> And?
09:30 <@sdodson> There's an outlier $4200 display but that's LED
09:31 <@sdodson> And, I think that shows that Apple is overdue for a price reduction in their largest display. I also believe you'll see such a reduction in the next 90 days.
09:31 <@sdodson> Or, they'll switch to LED and either bump the price $500 or keep it where it's at which would be way undercutting the competition.
09:31 < cerkit> If they open their Pro model at $1500, instead of $2800, I'd consider it.
09:32 <@sdodson> The reason it's $2800 is because it's absurd for a desktop.
09:32 < cerkit> Its $2800 because Apple over-prices EERYTHING they sell.
09:33 <@sdodson> You have to drop the second socket for me to consider it against a $1500 machine.
09:33 <@sdodson> Dropping down to a single processor drops it down to $2300
09:34 < cerkit> Thats still ridiculously epansive, imo.
09:34 <@sdodson> The problem is that it's still got that higher end motherboard no matter what.
09:34 < cerkit> expensive*
09:35 <@sdodson> Oh, and they're xeons across the board.
09:35 < cerkit> I know what they are.
09:35 <@sdodson> I'm not suggesting you don't.
09:35 < cerkit> What they aren't, is affordably priced.
09:36 < cerkit> :)
09:36 < cerkit> store.apple.com, basically tells a guy like me, go to system76.com and buy a linux machine for half the price.
09:37 < cerkit> And I like Apple.
09:37 < cerkit> So, I have to imagine that tells less interested people, "run for the Dell bunker!"
09:38 <@sdodson> You're wanting affordable, all apple wants is competitive.
09:38 <@sdodson> And I think the've nailed competitive.
09:38 < cerkit> Which brought me to my point
09:38 < cerkit> Apple is nuts.
09:39 <@sdodson> They're not trying to target the low end market, oh well.
09:39 < cerkit> I love how clear you can define the low-end market as people who don't want to overpay for hardware
09:39 < cerkit> heh
09:39 < cerkit> Whats low end about my Xeon quad core that didn't cost me $4000?
09:40 < cerkit> (thats sitting next to me)
09:40 <@sdodson> No, I define it as people who aren't willing to pay for higher end dual socket boards and the ability to put 64GB of ram in their desktop.
09:41 < cerkit> And you think that thats a wise desktop design, do you?  Really able to capture the majority use cases?
09:41 < cerkit> Instead of a system that does meet those needs, thats reasonably priced?
09:41 < cerkit> I thinkwhat youre saying is... Apple is REALLY REALLY high-end.
09:41 < cerkit> Which is different.
09:41 <@sdodson> Not really, but I think it's a complicated decision.
09:42 <@sdodson> The ability to deliver a single board to their desktop market allows them to delive an OS that's just that less prone to error.
09:42 < cerkit> I think its inaccurate to call everything not Apple's Pro, low end.
09:42 <@sdodson> You add a second board just to pick up the low end desktop market, which I don't think really exists for apple.
09:42 <@sdodson> The low end desktop market is served by a Mac Book with a monitor and keyboard attached.
09:43 <@sdodson> Apple's Mac Pro market targets desktop graphics artists and such.
09:43 < cerkit> The only reason there is no "low end desktop market" for Apple, is because the closest thing is $2k
09:43 < cerkit> heh
09:43 < cerkit> Unless you want a mini
09:43 <@sdodson> Right.
09:44 < cerkit> I guess I should say, close to $2k
09:44 <@sdodson> I think Apple has just very clearly segmented their market rather than offering baby steps up their product line.
09:44 < cerkit> Well then, what you're talking about isn't everything else being low end.
09:44 <@sdodson> I hadn't even thought of the Mini, good point, let it fill the product space below the Mac Pro and you're done.
09:44 < cerkit> You're talking about how Apple only mkes high end.
09:45 <@sdodson> Yes, I'm talking about how apple only makes a high end desktop product.
09:45 < cerkit> Okay, well, I'm saying thats a mistake.
09:45 <@sdodson> They offer cheap products, the mini, the macbook. They just don't offer a cheap desktop product.
09:45 <@sdodson> Why? Why not buy a mini?
09:45 < cerkit> I need more power than the mini provides.
09:45 < cerkit> Not $6,000 worth though.
09:45 < cerkit> heh
09:46 <@sdodson> Then buy the $2300 Mac Pro
09:46 < cerkit> It won't be $2300
09:46 < cerkit> Configured, it will be almost $3k
09:46 < cerkit> Again, far too expensive.
09:46 <@sdodson> bah
09:46 < cerkit> I could build a machine for less.
09:47 <@sdodson> I don't even want to hear about anything you could build.
09:47 < cerkit> In't the goal of a retailer to compete with the "build your own" market?
09:47 < cerkit> Or, one of them, anyway
09:47 <@sdodson> Someone who says "I could build for less" really says "I want to track down 8 different vendors anytime something in my machine fucks up and I don't value that time"
09:48 <@sdodson> Your mac fucks up, who do you call?
09:48 < cerkit> Thats an interesting, but rather Microsoft-ish position on support.
09:48 <@sdodson> Your newegg parts box fucks up who do you call? and then find out everything only had 90 day warranties
09:48 < cerkit> I don't like owning black boxes that I need to call anyone, to help me deal with.
09:48 <@rhia> Fry's
09:48 < cerkit> So, neither position is acceptable to me.
09:49 < cerkit> I prefer open source.
09:49 <@rhia> make whatever you want, hardware no workie, trade it in ~shrug~
09:49 <@sdodson> So you just buy new parts? You'll soon approach the cost of just having bought something with a decent warranty.
09:49 < cerkit> Oh, hardware-wise...
09:50 < cerkit> Yes, I would prefer to deal with those thing ad-hoc.
09:50 < cerkit> As I feel my company can doso more effeciently, than it might if it were latched to a single vendor.
09:50 < cerkit> (all eggs in one basket)
09:50 <@sdodson> I dunno, I don't like how apple has build an economy of hardware failure where they get their customers actually feeling good about failure, but they do offer rather impressive replacement policies.
09:51 <@rhia> considering all our stuff is 'custom assembled' - and the only thing we've Had to replace in 3 years, on 8 machines is 2 power supplies and a harddrive (all over 3 yrs old)
09:51 <@rhia> i don't see an issue
09:51 < cerkit> rhia: Nor do I.  Nor reason to pay $5k for a Macdesktop.
09:51 <@sdodson> I prefer never having had anything break due to designs that were build around paper thin thermal thresholds. But Mac folks seem overly happy that they just take in their poorly designed macbook and apple replaces it with one that's a few revisions newer and doesn't exhibit the same problems.
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09:51 <@rhia> but if you're talking for a business environment, yeah, get the matching dealer hardware and warranty
09:52 < cerkit> I'm interested in this viewpoint.
09:52 < cerkit> rhia: If you have a high trained staff, precisely why would you change your viewpoint as you just did?
09:52 <@sdodson> Catonic: how many times have your had your mac serviced?
09:53 <@rhia> eh, just bitter right now - coffee still brewing
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09:53 <@sdodson> Because highly trained staff should be doing something more productive with their $60k/yr time.
09:53 < cerkit> rhia: I think thats a kind of mental surrender.
09:53 <@Catonic> sdodson: none.
09:53 < cerkit> rhia: A good company orchestrates its internals well enough, that it doesn't run its business on black boxes it doesn't understand.
09:53 <@sdodson> Their involvement with having something fixed should consist of dialing a number, reporting the problem and serial number and greeting the guy that's there to fix it the next day.
09:54 < cerkit> rhia: if it does, its likely doomed to some future failure, anyway
09:54 <@Catonic> christ I am a dumbass.
09:54 <@rhia> cerkit: not really.... we're geeks/hackers, in a business environment you have a lot of completely non-technical people abusing the machines on a daily basis - think of it more like customizing autos
09:54 < cerkit> sdodson: A very well developed internal investory and contact system can make managing multiple vendors that simple.
09:55 <@Catonic> I've been putting up with an ethernet switch that won't behave itself, never mind the two I keep tripping over.
09:55 < cerkit> Obviously, badly done configuration management, is exactly that.
09:55 < cerkit> rhia: I don't hire non-technical people to work on computers.
09:55 < cerkit> rhia: That would be like hiring a baloon-animal maker to do my gardening
09:56  * sdodson waits for Catonic's punchline
09:56 <@sdodson> cerkit: That's laughable at best.
09:56 <@rhia> used to build hotrods, overbored 396 4 bolt main with a 400 pull tractor reverse gear manual automatic transmission - fine for me and my ex, wouldn't want Betty Sue driving it while chatting on the phone, putting on makeup, and eating breakfast
09:57 < cerkit> rhia: I send those people to the New Jersey One Stop Employment Center.  Where they can get state-based training for free.
09:57 <@rhia> cerkit: a whole lotta businesses can't afford to make that distinction
09:57 <@sdodson> There are more jobs that use computers as a tool than there are jobs that use a computer as the object of their work.
09:57 < cerkit> sdodson: Whats laughable?
09:57 < cerkit> sdodson: I run a fucking software company.
09:57 < cerkit> hahahaha
09:57 <@sdodson> Right so you're isolated from 99% of the world.
09:57 < cerkit> I don't hire non-technical people for my SOFTWARE COMPANY
09:58 <@sdodson> ok
09:58 < cerkit> to use computers.
09:58 <@rhia> cerkit: yeah, a specialty computer centrist business
09:58 < cerkit> right!
09:58 < cerkit> heh
09:58 < cerkit> I didn't say my point was meant to cover the broad world of business.
09:58 < cerkit> I was talking about MY business, the whole time.
09:58 < cerkit> From the minute I brought up buying the Apple
09:59 < cerkit> and how they are nuts.
09:59 < cerkit> :)
09:59 <@rhia> cerkit: what about FTD florists or the local grocery chain, or that carpet mill, or a investment call center, er ... ? ;)
09:59 < cerkit> rhia: They should find someone who is an expert in those businesses.
09:59 < cerkit> And if that exprt suggests using computers...
09:59 <@rhia> cerkit: k... came in late, pre- coffee <g>
09:59 < cerkit> then he ought to have some sort of solution to that disconnect.
10:00 <@rhia> scrolled up only far enough to see what appeared a general conversation
10:00 < cerkit> I haven't had to face that disconnect.
10:00 < cerkit> My personal assistant for instance...
10:00 < cerkit> likes Paper... and wall-hung calendars...
10:00 < cerkit> So, thats what she uses.
10:00 < cerkit> I didn't insist she learn MS Project.
10:00 < cerkit> It would have slowed her down.
10:01 <@rhia> cuz about then browser opened up huffington post "Colin Powell Endorses Obama"
10:01 < cerkit> When I need things to go quicker, in other words, when I need to take on the benefit of someone who can use software to do that job...
10:01 < cerkit> I will fire my current personal assistant
10:01 < cerkit> And hire one with those skills.
10:01 < cerkit> heh
10:02 <@rhia> so was more interested in that ... ~shrug~
10:02 < cerkit> Thats how I would deal with the disconnect.
10:03 < cerkit> I'm not very interested in making anything personal at work.
10:04 < cerkit> rhia: You think that endorsement will help?
10:05 <@rhia> maybe with some republicans who really don't like McCain but are having a hard time with that whole "voting for one of THEM" issue
10:06 < cerkit> I talk to a lot of Republicans at the University I do work for.
10:07 <@rhia> mainly wonder how McCain can keep defending that irresponsible choice of his (the VP pick) with so many right wingers and known republicans - and now Colin Powell - leaving because of her
10:07 < cerkit> Many of them, surprisingly, aren't as against Obama as they are Biden.
10:07 <@sdodson> You guys hear Howard Stern's expirement?
10:07 < cerkit> ?
10:07 <@rhia> Biden's been a liberal dem for a while - i hate the whole two party system
10:07 <@rhia> sdodson: yes, and it's the same on both side
10:07 <@rhia> s
10:07 < cerkit> what experiment?
10:08 <@rhia> LOTS of idiots vote emotionally, not reasonably
10:08 < cerkit> McCain seems to be a significantly less intelligent candidate.
10:08 <@sdodson> cerkit: Go to Harlem, asks someone if they support Obama, if they say yes, start asking them questions such as "Do you like obama because of his pro-life stance or because of his willingness to keep troops in Iraq?" (both of which are McCain's principles)
10:08 <@rhia> cerkit: street interviews of obama supporters that agreed with McCain's views when told they were obama's
10:09 < cerkit> Oh.
10:09 <@sdodson> Listen to idiots "Oh ya, I think we should definitely keep troops in Iraq"
10:09 <@sdodson> Obama rules!
10:09 < cerkit> I heard that when he played it the first time.
10:09 < cerkit> A couple months ago.
10:09 <@sdodson> cerkit: did it give hard lulz?
10:10 < cerkit> sdodson: You don't think all the people who don't know how to spell, who put up McCain signs are essentially their equals?
10:10 < cerkit> I mean
10:10 < cerkit> not knowing the issues is one thing
10:10 <@rhia> comic mining - a non-candidate point, just a lamentable exposition on the ignorance that runs rampant in this country
10:10 < cerkit> not being able to spell them...
10:10 < cerkit> another
10:11 <@rhia> see any Palin rally crowd clips as well... ~shrug~
10:11 <@sdodson> No, way, atleast a few of those people are there for legitimate reasons.
10:11 <@sdodson> They wanna tap that shit!
10:12 < cerkit> I'm glad I'll never be president.
10:12 <@sdodson> Though, five kids later, dunno.
10:12 <@dc0de> they have wonderful operations to "bring it back to virginity"...
10:12 < cerkit> I would light all of those people on fire and allow the intelligent people to roast marshmallows over it.
10:12 < cerkit> I fear I would create a kind of Gattaca society
10:13 < eryc> doo doo do do doot
10:13 < eryc> roflmao
10:13 <@rhia> cerkit: anywhich, the two party stranglehold has done a lot to promote the idea that you MUST vote Republican if you believe in less government (Hello, GW Bush ring a bell?!?) or MUST vote Democrat if you want any social progress ...... 3rd parties are peripheral gnats
10:13 <@dc0de> rhia: amen.
10:13 < cerkit> rhia: They've done that though because most people don't have the capacity to understand the situation in non-binary terms.
10:14 <@dc0de> rhia: and neither party now wants "less government", they simply want more control over the populous.
10:14 <@rhia> and a lot of my republican friends are having a hard time crossing that party prejudice ... they don't like McCain, can't stand Palin, but seem allergic to voting Democrat ..
10:15  * sdodson decides it's Bojangles time
10:15 < eryc> roflmao
10:15 <@rhia> many say they won't vote ... the Colin Powell endorsement may sway a couple of them to vote for Obama/Biden
10:16 <@Catonic> I wouldn't fly as a presidential candidate.
10:16 <@sdodson> eryc: j0o wants bojangles?
10:16 <@Catonic> mmm greasy biscuits
10:17 <@sdodson> Catonic: Any other kind are not fit for eating.
10:22 < eryc> ya bojangles
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10:29 <@rhia> Obama could still lose my vote*, but no way in hell is McCain/Palin going to GET my vote ... this country is flushing out to sea and McCain, for all his empty rhetoric and "i know how" (Well, then DO IT, TELL US, don't just keep pounding your own chest while Palin blows your trumpet) is simply the same GOP mentality that got us here
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10:29 <@rhia> and the Palin pick shows obviously that he has sold out to pander to the worst of their base
10:30  * Catonic tunes back into his circuses and bites into his bread.
10:31 <@Catonic> American Idol and Katy Perry plz.
10:32 <@rhia> Catonic: soon enough, 2.5 weeks
10:33 < cerkit> rhia: I was thinking to myself, thats a pretty sensible way with which to paint McCain selfish -- if he knows a solution, andhasn't proposed it, because it hasmore value as a way to get him elected.
10:33 < cerkit> But I guess thats too heady.
10:34 <@Catonic> I wonder what rhia will talk about in here after the election is over.
10:34 <@rhia> for some reason the republican party seems to be glorifing ignorance
10:34 < cerkit> rhia: its been going on since 2000.
10:34 <@rhia> didn't say it was new ;)
10:34 <@Catonic> Yeah, really...
10:34 < cerkit> But even Bush didn't contact Palin, when we contact Biden, Obama and McCain, about the financial meetings.
10:34 < cerkit> Which is a pretty high sign.
10:35 <@rhia> sorry, but i do NOT vote because i want to have a beer with them
10:35 < cerkit> If Bush thinks you're too dumb to talk to, you're almost a piece of fucking furniture.
10:35 <@Catonic> I get turned off by the whole political circus because it is just that.. there's nothing of actual substance to it, just merely a few issues stitched togehter to make a "platform" which is defended while muckraking from an acceptable distance the other guy's campaign
10:36 < cerkit> Catonic: There is at least now, a canidate who openly admits America's cynacism and has a desire to respond accordingly.
10:36 < cerkit> Whether or not he will... we shall see.
10:36 < cerkit> I'm still waiting for Clinton's middle class tax cut.
10:37 < cerkit> :?)
10:37 <@Catonic> cerkit: and Bush has talked to smarter pieces of furniture
10:38 < cerkit> ahahhaha
10:39 < cerkit> I wish Cheney's heart would fail -- I want him to have to have a setup like the original Captain of the Enterprise.
10:39 <@rhia> http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/mccainpalin-supporters-let-their-rac  - and Stern wasn't even there ;)
10:39 < cerkit> In that box, with a red light.
10:39 < cerkit> Two blinks for yes, one blink for no.
10:40 <@Catonic> the problem with the thought of cheney being animated beyond his normal lifetime...
10:40 < cerkit> Catonic: I dont mind his living forever, as long as its inherently tortorious.
10:40 <@Catonic> is that you can't think of it without a vision of some horrific robocop-esque metal suit with Cheney in it, wrecking havoc about the town..
10:40 < cerkit> I'm supportive of it, with that consideration.
10:41 < cerkit> Oh no.
10:41 < cerkit> Nothing like that.
10:41 <@Catonic> like the suit from Ironman...
10:41 < cerkit> Yeah, thats not what I'm talking about at all.
10:41 <@Catonic> Hell, I'd wire his ass in there and drop him into a warzone...
10:41 < cerkit> Lemme get a pic
10:41 < cerkit> :)
10:41 <@Catonic> cerkit: no need.
10:41 < cerkit> YUou remember who I mean?
10:41 <@Catonic> I do know what you're talking about; the pilot.
10:41 < cerkit> right
10:41 < cerkit> hahahaha
10:41 <@Catonic> I watched too much Nick at Night
10:42 < cerkit> What the hell was his name though?
10:42 < cerkit> Captain...
10:42 <@Catonic> Christopher
10:42 <@rhia> the menagerie
10:43 < cerkit> capt pike
10:43 <@Catonic> Christopher Pike
10:43 < cerkit> that was it
10:43 < cerkit> I want Cheney to look like Capt. Pike
10:43 < cerkit> heh
10:44 < cerkit> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Menagerie_(Star_Trek)
10:44 <@Catonic> On some level, I wonder what Trent Reznor was thinking of when he moved to New Orleans, and how he made it through that space, to move back out to LA and into the record business again.
10:44 < cerkit> Although, look at the pic...
10:44 < cerkit> All he needs is the machine.
10:44 < cerkit> He already is wrinkled and confused.
10:45 < cerkit> Catonic: I couldn't imagine being able to process any thoughts of Trent Reznors period.
10:47 <@Catonic> Been listening to a lot of Dash Rip Rock lately; they are a southern rock back from around the coast of Lousianna
10:47 < cerkit> If Bush keeps talking & holding summits the stock market is going to just fucking light itself on fire.
10:47 <@Catonic> A song comes to mind, a few months too late...
10:47 <@Catonic> "Let's Lynch The Landlord" by The Dead Kennedys
10:48 < cerkit> They're proposing a world currency.
10:48 < cerkit> Partly because they want to stop the USD collapse.
10:48 <@rhia> he's the cuckoo clock of doom - he pops out to speak and the dow drops
10:48 <@Catonic> Uh... WHAT?!
10:48 < cerkit> rhia: You realize they're doing everything in their small minde ability, to save the dollar though, right?
10:49 < cerkit> rhia: You do know that, the only reason Oil hasn't been at $147/barrel for the last 4.5 years is because Goldman Sachs has held a tight position on Oil to prop up the dollar...
10:49 < cerkit> rhia: And a selling of some of that position in preperation for the coming crisis is what caused the spike earlier this year...
10:49 <@rhia> they could, just possibly, i dunno Maybe .... ASK THE SWEDES AND THE JAPANESE for a little advice on what works and what doesn't before tearing off on every Save The MoneyLords First tangent
10:50 < cerkit> GS and MS (Morgan Stanley) are two of the biggest hedgers whose hedges are dollar proponent.
10:50 < cerkit> Without them, America would have already suffered abysmal dollar depreciation.
10:51 < cerkit> (especially with the monetary policy of the last 8 years)
10:51 < cerkit> Why do you think Paulson is our secretary of treasury?
10:51 < cerkit> :)
10:51 < cerkit> (Ex-Goldman CEO Hank Paulson)
10:51 <@rhia> knew that
10:52 <@rhia> and look at who McCain has advising him on it ;)
10:52 < cerkit> We're in a lot of trouble that most people wouldn't understand or how we got there.
10:52 < cerkit> But our fiat dollar system has been crashing for two decades.
10:52 < cerkit> Bush was unlucky enough, like with the rest of his presidency, to be in office during a major collapse.
10:52 < cerkit> Some would say unlucky
10:53 < cerkit> Some would say its his actual lack of leadership.
10:53 < cerkit> But, look at the economics its not so easy to determine a single point of failure.
10:53 < cerkit> Its been going on for a long time.
10:54 < cerkit> These summits...
10:54 < cerkit> And world interventions...
10:54 < cerkit> are because the world is heavily invested in what is collapsing.
10:55 <@rhia> yes, and it will take intelligence, global cooperation, expert assistance, and a lot of patience to recover - that does Not sound like McCain Palin to me
10:55 <@rhia> btw... good read:
10:55 <@rhia> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/stefan-sirucek/sarah-palinif-you-dont-re_b_135760.html
10:56 <@rhia> the earlier Stern stuff reminded me of it
11:01 <@rhia> Graham Norton even mentioned last night that the American's are clutching at straws for presidential candidates "Oh, he can Read And Write!"  ... that's so sad
11:02 <@Catonic> I need to start looking for jobs in switzerland.
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12:56 <@rhia> wow... even the stauchly conservative Houston Chronicle, in the great red country, er, state of Texas is endorsing Obama
12:57 <@rhia> one thing to see the NE papers, but the chron?  sheesh
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13:32 < Synx_hm> what do you all use for portable (thumbdrive) password storage/protection
13:35 < AstralSin> truecrypt
13:35 < AstralSin> but you gotta have truecrypt on any pc you use it with
13:35 < Synx_hm> i need something that will run off a thumbdrive require no host software, not require host admin priv. and be multi platform
13:37 < AstralSin> i think there's a portable version of truecrypt too, you can install that on the drive and create a truecrypt volume on the rest of the drive to store your files
13:37 < Synx_hm> wonder if you have to have admin rights
13:37 < AstralSin> not sure how portable the linux version of truecrypt is though
13:37 < AstralSin> no, you don't
13:37 < Synx_hm> i might try keypassx
13:37 < Synx_hm> keepassx that is
13:37 < AstralSin> afaik, it only encrypts passwords
13:37 < Synx_hm> thats all i really need at this time
13:37 < AstralSin> oh
13:38 < AstralSin> well then yeah, keepassx will be fine for you
13:38 < Synx_hm> although an encrypted volume at some point might be nice
13:38 < Synx_hm> i need to find the linux binary not in deb form from their website
13:38 < AstralSin> truecrypt is the best solution for an encrypted drive
13:38 < Synx_hm> never mind
13:38 < Synx_hm> found it
13:38 <@coil_> pics
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13:56 <@tdc_vga> ?tdc_vga
13:56 <@tdc_vga> tdc_vga?
13:56 <+MxZBot> Please remember that while tdc_vga an attorney, he is not your attorney, and he cannot provide you legal advice as he is not a licensed attorney in State.  Before proceeding you should consult a licensed attorney in your State.
13:57 <@tdc_vga> and there you have it
13:57 <@tdc_vga> *poof*
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15:47 < ware> no u
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15:53  * coil slaps ware around a bit with a large trout
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16:11 < ware> Catonic_: no u
16:13 < AstralSin> yo
16:13 < AstralSin> anyone here a solaris fan?
16:15 < Catonic_> http://www.pvponline.com/2008/10/15/post-game-wrap-up/
16:15 < Catonic_> that...
16:15 < Catonic_> is something we're going to hear about again and again from Corydon, once he picks up that adjective
16:21  * Catonic_ shakes his fist at his clone
16:40 < Catonic_> http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080430205028AAx7jqr
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17:09 < Catonic_> AstralSin: did you need help with something solaris related?
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17:25 <@Catonic_lp> man it's weird feeling buzzed when the sun is out
17:32 <@Drag0n> If you had purchased $1,000 of AIG stock one year ago, you would have
17:32 <@Drag0n> $42 left.
17:32 <@Drag0n> With Lehman, you would have $6.60 left.
17:32 <@Drag0n> With Fannie or Freddie, you would have less than $5 left.
17:32 <@Drag0n> But if you had purchased $1,000 worth of beer one year ago, drank all of
17:32 <@Drag0n> the beer, then turned in the cans for the aluminum recycling REFUND, you
17:32 <@Drag0n> would have had $214.
17:32 <@Drag0n> Based on the above, the best current investment advice is to drink
17:32 <@Drag0n> heavily and recycle.
17:32 <@Drag0n> It's called the 401-Keg.....
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17:43 <@Catonic_lp> ouch
17:43 <@Catonic_lp> was just looking at cisco's website...
17:44 <@Catonic_lp> In FY05, Cisco hired 180 new graduates in the United States. This figure increased to 398 graduates in FY06, and 1184 in FY07. During FY07 Cisco also recruited 459 graduates in countries outside of the United States.
17:44 <@Catonic_lp> hrm... that's a *lot* from outside the US.
17:44 <@Catonic_lp> sadly, it seems as though cisco has no jobs for the degreeless.
17:44  * Catonic_lp inserts a joke regarding degrelessness mode
17:45 < eryc> its the human network
17:48 < eryc> i got me some apple cider donuts today
17:49 <@rhia> http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20081019  ware's actually Steve Ballmer??
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17:54 <@Catonic_lp> rhia: nicely put for someone who wasn't there to see that innocent chair die.
17:56 <@rhia> wasn't physically there when Bush got sworn in but i can take the evidence presented and make deductions ;)
17:57 < eryc> that cartoon is dumb
18:00 <@Catonic_lp> FUCK
18:07 <@Catonic_lp> broke the hinge on my laptop
18:08 <@Catonic_lp> my beer is probably warm no
18:08 <@Catonic_lp> w
18:09 <@Catonic_lp> bahahahahah
18:10 <@Catonic_lp> apple commercial
18:29 <@Catonic_lp> nice
18:29 <@Catonic_lp> saw a bumpersticker today... yo la tengo for president
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18:38 <@rhia> "I have it for President"?
18:39 <@Catonic_lp> yo la tengo is a punk band from nj...
18:39 <@Catonic_lp> but yeah, I said the same thing.
18:48 <@rhia> ahh
18:57 < ware> NailinPaylin Sc1 - CaptOmerta.wmv
19:10 <@rhia>    
19:10 <@rhia> "From the self-composed obituary in the Casper (Wyo.) Star Tribune of James William "Jim" Adams, who died September 9th: "Jim, who had tired of reading obituaries noting other's [sic] courageous battles with this or that disease, wanted it known that he had lost his battle ... primarily as a result of ... not following doctor's orders. ... He was sadly deprived of his final wish, which was to be run over by a beer truck on the way to the liqu
19:10 <@rhia> or store to buy booze for a date."
19:11 <@rhia> hope his friends raise a round of toasts for him at his funeral
19:14 < aestetix> Good thing we have new leaders like Mark Zuckerberg taking over.
19:16 <@rhia> ... taking over?
19:17 <@Catonic_lp> yeah, stuff it, you liberal cunt!
19:18 <@rhia> confused as to the context
19:18  * Catonic_lp invokes drunken irc rules
19:19 <@Catonic_lp> I think im half bitch... I drank four beers and ate a half a gallon of ice cream.
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19:19 <@rhia> following in wares footsteps (drunken ircing)?
19:20 <@Catonic_lp> oddlt enough, I was/am not depressed.
19:20 <@Catonic_lp> rhia: I wrote the book on drunken irc. And got called out at PNX about it.
19:21 < ware> drunk irc?
19:21 < ware> that shit is so 90s
19:21 <@rhia> so ware is your minion
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19:21 < ware> undeserved, thnx asscat
19:21 <@Catonic_lp> no, ware is everyone's minion...
19:21 <@Catonic_lp> he's pretty much solidified his role as channel-bottom-bitch.
19:22 < ware> always here to boost ur egoz
19:23 <@rhia> just trying to follow the se2600 soap opera
19:25 < ware> ur oprah, tel uz wuzzup
19:25 < Someninjaiphone> Ware I thought you left all the 2600 drama
19:25 < ware> what drama are we talkin about?
19:25 < ware> i pop in with a random comment and now theres drama?
19:25 <@Catonic_lp> ware: I'm sorry, please talk a little louder. I couldn't chair what you were saying.
19:26 < ware> jeez, its not like im tryin to convert everyon to the gaysex or swingin my dick and boobz at the same time
19:26 < ware> Catonic_lp: im trying to chair my thoughts and ideas with you
19:26 <@sdodson> That market is already occupied by Corydon76-dig.
19:27 <@Catonic_lp> ware: are you the chairtator? Are you going to tell everyone on channel exactly where and how high to put thier asses?
19:28 <@Catonic_lp> sdodson: to be fair, Corydon does have a large investment in gaysecs, but he'll also tell you that he's recently diversified into hetero or "breeder" secs as well.
19:29 <@sdodson> Speak english, bitch.
19:30 <@Catonic_lp> wow. I do NOT think I should drink next week.
19:30 <@rhia> "Coworker: The normal media won't tell you the truth. That's why I listen to talk shows."   that explains about 1/2 of the McCain/Palin supporters
19:30 < Synx_hm> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_Eh3pMC-1o
19:30 <@rhia> Catonic_lp: what brought on that revelation?
19:30 <@Catonic_lp> they've been telling me and I didn't want to believe it, but apparently... I am a complete douche when drunk.
19:30 < ware> Catonic_lp: im the chairman board director y0
19:31 < ware> dont smoke unless you bring enough to chair with everyone
19:31 < Synx_hm> thats a very impressive video
19:31  * ware is a chairactor
19:47 < aestetix> Well that was fun
19:47 < aestetix> last night I accidentally met the guy who created Electric Sheep
19:51 <@Evilpig> hahah http://tinyurl.com/5ahmwv
19:51 < AstralSin> aestetix: did you dream of electric sheep?
19:52 < aestetix> lol
19:55 <@Catonic_lp> ware, chairman of the bored, flag officer of the fleet of fail, commander of the failboat, commodore of the failnavy.
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19:57 <@Catonic_lp> you know what microsoft's commercials are missing? someone standing there, crying, sobbing uncontrollably with a jail cell in the background saying: "I'm a PC... and I've been VIOLATED! WAAAAAaaaa!"
19:58 < m0j0-j0j0> Blade Runner is in my top 20 movies of all times
19:58 < aestetix> ware led the failocaust
20:00 < ware> thnx
20:01 < m0j0-j0j0> I can remember the first time I watched it and thought it wasn't anything more than an action flick.. when it finally hit me that it was about a great deal more
20:01 < ware> Weird Al - Albuquerque
20:03 < m0j0-j0j0> and as far as what catonic, ware, and and corydon do with their asses... I don
20:03 < m0j0-j0j0> 't see that's anyones business
20:04 <@coil> same
20:05 < ware> homos
20:05 < ware> youre all fuckin whack
20:05 < ware> cracked out
20:05 < m0j0-j0j0> I DO wish that ya'll would tone it down.. it's hard to not focus on it when it's all you guys talk about
20:06 < ware> youre fuckin rediculous dude
20:06 < ware> who brought that shit up?
20:06 < ware> YOU
20:06 < ware> stfu
20:06 <@sdodson> zoot zoot
20:06 <@coil> same
20:06 <@coil> diaf
20:06 < m0j0-j0j0> ware check the scroll back
20:07 < ware> no u
20:07 <@sdodson> coil: what's new?
20:07 <@coil> picked up a sack fainally
20:09 < m0j0-j0j0> coil: what kind?
20:09 <@coil> a plant
20:10 <@sdodson> coil: we all know you're a stoner, no need to hide
20:11 <@coil> im eating speghetti right now
20:11 <@sdodson> cool
20:11 <@coil> brushin up on my spelling skills
20:13 < m0j0-j0j0> I'm working on my tiny keyboard typing skills
20:13 <@sdodson> tiny?
20:13 < m0j0-j0j0> eee pc
20:14 < m0j0-j0j0> the 7 " one
20:14 <@coil> buy me one
20:14 <@sdodson> That's the larger ones?
20:14 < m0j0-j0j0> that's the smallest one
20:14 < m0j0-j0j0> the others are the 8.9" ones
20:15 <@sdodson> Does the keyboard vary in size with respect to the display?
20:15 < m0j0-j0j0> the 8.9" ones are easy to type on
20:15 <@sdodson> they have a fullsize keyboard?
20:16 < m0j0-j0j0> .. not exactly .. but an easy adjustment
20:17 < m0j0-j0j0> on this one I'm okay, but the ' is too close to the enter
20:24 <@sdodson> don'
20:24 <@sdodson> t use that key
20:24 <@sdodson>  :)
20:26 < m0j0-j0j0> I dont want to look like I don't know what a contraction is
20:27 < m0j0-j0j0> plus Linux always marks "dont" as a misspelling and as I am dyslexic I use that a lot.
20:32 < eryc> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUDuPWRiRug
20:34 < m0j0-j0j0> I've blown up my server and my router this week.. I hope next week isn't as costly
20:35 < eryc> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07kO9TtHYzQ
20:36 < m0j0-j0j0> I'm really glad that my school bus didn't do that
21:02 < ware> its life, jim, but not as we know it.
21:03 < ware> its worse than that jim, hes dead jim, dead
21:04 < ware> The Fir - Star Trekkin'
21:04 < ware> The Firm*
21:06 < m0j0-j0j0> firm trekkin
21:19 < m0j0-j0j0> I can't believe that Friday I was wearing shorts and today I have the heat turned on
21:22  * sdodson munches on honey nut cheerios
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21:36 < m0j0-j0j0> sdodson: so.. is tentens a weekly thing?
21:39 < m0j0-j0j0> sdodson: reason I ask is cause I seem to be there all the time now that I'm on this diet.
21:40 < ware> m0j0-j0j0: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCARADb9asE
21:42 <@sdodson> m0j0-j0j0: which diet is it that takes you to ten ten on a regular basis?
21:42 <@sdodson> m0j0-j0j0: Probably once a month or so.
21:42 <@sdodson> Not a planned thing. I'm also going to try very hard to bring my lunch daily now, since i'll be broke.
21:44 < m0j0-j0j0> ware: I picked a bad day to stop sniffing glue
21:44 < ware> yah inorite
21:44 < m0j0-j0j0> sdodson: south beach
21:45 < m0j0-j0j0> sdodson: this is the first time in my life I've ever really tried a diet for more than a few hours, but it really isn't that hard so I don't see what all the bitching is about
21:46 <@sdodson> This guy at work did that, lost like 80lbs.
21:46 <@sdodson> He also runs 9 miles a day too.
21:47 <@sdodson> I think that has more to do with it than the diet.
21:47 < m0j0-j0j0> I run two miles a day and have for years, but I never dropped a pound until I did this
21:48 < m0j0-j0j0> for the amount of cardio and lifting I do a day there should be no way I should have to watch what I eat
21:49 < m0j0-j0j0> but as you know I'm not a small guy
21:49 <@sdodson> *nod*
21:50 <@sdodson> Corydon76-dig: hey, are there still rooms available?
21:50  * sdodson wonders what his chances of finding a PN room at the last minute are
21:50 <@brimstone> sdodson: we got a floor you can crash on too
21:50 < m0j0-j0j0> sdodson: I thought you said you couldn't make it
21:51 <@sdodson> m0j0-j0j0: Ya, this would totally be a last minute decision.
21:52 <@sdodson> Everything is coming down to the wire as far as finances go so no idea.
21:53 < booker404> yeah, I know how that is...
21:54 < m0j0-j0j0> yeah, I was thinking that I shouldn't rent a car so that I can save money, but it won't cost any more than taking a cab everywhere.
21:55 <@sdodson> Ideally you wouldn't need a cab for anything other than the ride to and from the airport.
21:55 < booker404> can rent a u-haul truck when you get there for like $25 ;)
21:55 <@sdodson> There are places within walking distance for food, beer, and crack ho's
21:55  * booker404 wishes he had the money for the crack ho's
21:56 < m0j0-j0j0> I could ask hospitality enforcement to drive me around  because that would be hospitable.
21:56 <@sdodson> you just need something that looks remotely like crack, booker404
21:56  * booker404 has a ton of crack, but I s'pect they are looking for a different kind
21:56 <@sdodson> m0j0-j0j0: Just ride around with Al, have you met him yet?
21:56 <@sdodson> Or curbob.
21:56 < booker404> was there a code that can be used for reservations placed online?
21:57 < booker404> for the reduced rate, I mean...
21:57 < m0j0-j0j0> sdodson: not yet, but I don''t mind the car
21:58 < m0j0-j0j0> sdodson: besides.. it's not like tentens will be next door so I'm going to have to drive for food :(
21:59 <@sdodson> You like german food?
21:59 < m0j0-j0j0> and I don't drink alcohol or do crack very often anymore so
21:59 < m0j0-j0j0> sdodson: love it.. but cant eat it
22:01 < m0j0-j0j0> well.. I can eat black forest ham still
22:02 < m0j0-j0j0> but not as schnitzel
22:03 < m0j0-j0j0> and what fun is a polka if you are drunk
22:05 < m0j0-j0j0> I went to OctFest in Selma (which s in early Sep.) and got messed up... it was awesome beer and I knew the following Monday I had to start this diet thing
22:05 <@sdodson> There was some octoberfest thing going on saxapahaw or something, didn't go though.
22:07 < m0j0-j0j0> when y doctor tells me that my body is back in line again I'll start drinking beer again
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22:13 < dasunt> m0j0-j0j0: :?
22:20 <@sdodson> ahh damn i trashed my /etc/fstab
22:21 <@brimstone> mount > /etc/fstab
22:21 <@brimstone> ?
22:21 <@coil> mount /dev/coil
22:22 < dasunt> mount | cut -f 1,3 -d " " > /etc/fstab && vi /etc/fstab
22:23 < m0j0-j0j0> mount /dev/sdodsonsmom
22:23 < dasunt> Er,that should be 'cut -f 1,3,5 -d " "
22:23 < dasunt> At least on linux.
22:24 < m0j0-j0j0> dasunt: I had my blood work done and when the results came back my doc asked my if I drank 3 or more meals a day.
22:25 < dasunt> Hmmmm.
22:25 < dasunt> How much were you drinking?
22:26  * dasunt worries a bit.
22:26 < m0j0-j0j0> dasunt: I had stopped drinking (mostly) before that because I'm not so young anymore and you only get one body so you have to take care of it
22:26 < dasunt> I think I may give up drinking soon.
22:27 <@sdodson> dasunt is worried that his rights to claim "Local Drunk" might be challenged.
22:27 < m0j0-j0j0> I'd say an average would be 2 drinks/month before
22:28 < m0j0-j0j0> I own an art gallery so.. I tend to drink a glass during openings
22:28 < m0j0-j0j0> which generally happen once a month
22:28 < m0j0-j0j0> dasunt: why do you drink?
22:28 < dasunt> 2 drinks/month?
22:28 < dasunt> Wow.
22:29 < dasunt> Er, I'm drinking far too much lately.
22:29 < dasunt> Killed a bottle of hard stuff this week.
22:29 < dasunt> Which is why I should quit.
22:30 < booker404> yeah, getting the hard stuff near your mouth is kinda geh...
22:30 < m0j0-j0j0> I drank a fifth or two a day for most of college so if I had the potential to be an alcoholic it would have taken by now
22:31 < dasunt> I can't do a fifth a day.
22:31 < dasunt> But 1.75L a week is perfectly doable.
22:32 <@Dagmar> Agreed
22:32 <@Dagmar> 1-2 shots a night before bed is good prep for the binge that is PN for a lot of people
22:32 < m0j0-j0j0> my house was The spot in Daytona... 24/7 party.. even when I was at school or work.. had people living there for .. god knows how long ... that nobody knew
22:33  * sdodson just moves in with m0j0-j0j0 rather than buying a place
22:35 < m0j0-j0j0> sdodson: grass gas or ass.. nobody rides for free.
22:37  * dasunt moves in with m0j0-j0j0 as well.
22:37 < m0j0-j0j0> they need cars that run off pot
22:37 < m0j0-j0j0> renewable, cheaper than gas, and reduce road rage
22:37 <@Dagmar> NO.
22:38 <@Dagmar> I'll put up with cars competing for corn.
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22:38 < m0j0-j0j0> hahaha
22:38 < m0j0-j0j0> true that
22:38 <@Dagmar> ...if you make cars burn pot, hippies all over the country will wind up dying from carbon monoxide poisoning for trying to hit the tailpipe
22:39 < aestetix_> fucking hippies
22:41 < m0j0-j0j0> okay kids... 5am comes early so I have to go feed the lizards.. drain the other lizard and hit the sack.
22:41 < m0j0-j0j0> sweet dreams
22:41 < m0j0-j0j0> sdodson: also.. that link you sent out about taggers.. who's is that?
22:42 <@rattle> What would happen if we made cars that burned coca?
22:42 <@sdodson> m0j0-j0j0: don't know, just saw it come across some of the raleigh blogs i follow.
22:43 <@Dagmar> Bolivia would become our bestest friend overnight
22:43 <@Dagmar> ...and the people doing cocaine would be PISSED>
22:43 <@sdodson> F10 has some whacky graphics artifacts that don't go away until after gdm has been running for some time.
22:43 <@coil> pics
22:44 < m0j0-j0j0> sdodson: that's too bad.. I need a good tagger for the gallery
22:44 < m0j0-j0j0> night
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22:51 < dasunt> We won't get alt-cars without massive gov't interference in the transportation industry (moreso than it has currently) or high gas pricdes.
22:52 <@sdodson> dasunt: bike nazi
23:02 < dasunt> I'm stating the obvious.
23:02 < dasunt> The US is made for cars.
23:02 <@coil> spread apart
23:02 <@coil> like your moms legs
23:03 <@maco> meh, if you live in a city, there's no real need to have your own car
23:03 < dasunt> Not really, but most people live in the suburbs around ehre.
23:03 <@maco> everyone in pittsburgh lives in the suburbs
23:04 <@maco> well, except the hobos
23:07 < aestetix_> man
23:07 < aestetix_> the new south park is killer
23:08 < aestetix_> well I guess the new days old south park
23:29 < dasunt> I'm missing new Futurama?
23:31 <@sdodson> It might have been on but I sure hope you're not missing it.
23:32 <@sdodson> I'd question your tastes if so.
23:38 < dasunt> I didn't know about it!
23:39 < dasunt> I swear!
23:54 < dasunt> When did btrfs appear?
23:55 <@sdodson> dunno a year or two ago
23:56 <@sdodson> ask wikipedia or chris mason
23:58 <@sdodson> 0one of the guys working on it started in support as an intern
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