--- Log opened Sat Oct 11 00:00:38 2008 00:13 <@sdodson> hi 00:20 < aestetix_> Oh man. 00:20 < aestetix_> Panel finds Palin abused her power. 00:20 < aestetix_> This is gonna be awesome to watch. 00:22 <@ShadowHntr> they're gonna try to call the panels "liberal" or "out for blood" ;P 00:23 -!- ShadowHntr [n=sentinel@wikipedia/Shadowhntr] has quit ["Leaving"] 00:25 < aestetix_> Ok. So let's say this finding forces Palin to step down from her podium. 00:25 < aestetix_> Does that discredit the VP debate, and mandate another one, for a new pick? 00:27 <@sdodson> Why would it? 00:27 < aestetix_> Because it is no longer valid? 00:27 <@sdodson> They've already said they're not going to press charges. 00:27 < aestetix_> No, I mean, if she winds up stepping down. 00:27 < aestetix_> Let's just assume for a moment that it does. 00:28 <@sdodson> aestetix_: Why would she step down? 00:28 <@rhia> considering McCain already cleared her of charges BEFORE the panel made their decision.... she might not back down at all 00:29 <@brimstone> John says "Don't back down" 00:29 <@sdodson> And I don't see why it'd discredit the debate. 00:30 < aestetix_> sdodson: assuming she steps down.... why does the debate have any validity? 00:30 < aestetix_> Seeing as it involved a candidate who is no longer running. 00:31 <@sdodson> Steps down from what? 00:31 <@sdodson> I thought you meant her position in AK 00:31 < aestetix_> No. Assuming she says "You know, John, I think I probably am not prepared to run as VP after all..." 00:32 < aestetix_> Possibly throwing in a few useless "also"s 00:32 <@sdodson> Debates aren't official in any manner. 00:32 <@sdodson> It's not like we need them in order for the election to gon. 00:32 < aestetix_> True. 00:33 <+jb7od> what's a little nepotistic abuse of power? that's family values right? 00:34 <+jb7od> what better way to let everyone know "what happens when you mess with us"? 00:35 <+jb7od> that's a winners attitude! 00:35 <+jb7od> ..exactly what the country needs. 00:38 <+jb7od> atually, i have to tell you guys this- there's a number of people I'm surprised with this go 'round who just aren't going to vote who normally would. One guy, I was like "You know what they'll say- they'll say 'don't complain about how it turns out if you don't participate'". He says "My complaining is protected by the First Amendment.". Good point.. 00:44 <+jb7od> About the only thing Obama said that I paid attention to was in the first debate when he was talking about better energy delivery methods, he made me want to think he was going to resurrect some New New Deal type shit- get the lines underground, get fiber out to the counties, and replace all that Johnson-era copper 01:14 <+jb7od> jesus.. somebody dart me already.. 01:27 -!- Cynefrid [n=whee@71-10-173-39.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #se2600 01:27 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Cynefrid] by ChanServ 02:54 -!- Corydon76-dig [i=beige@pdpc/supporter/bronze/Corydon76-home] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 03:05 -!- Corydon76-dig [i=red@c-68-53-162-99.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 03:05 -!- oddball [n=oddball@c-69-180-225-98.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:05 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Corydon76-dig] by ChanServ 06:17 -!- Drag0n [n=dragon@cpe-76-184-98-159.tx.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 07:55 <@Catonic> grumble 08:01 -!- dc0de [n=dc0de@c-24-131-56-242.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 08:01 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o dc0de] by ChanServ 08:14 <@dasunt> jb7od: I don't like Obama's energy plan. 08:23 <@rhia> McCain's is any better? 08:45 <@dasunt> Yes. 08:45 <@dasunt> McCain seems to really like the French energy system. 08:45 < AstralSin> i've come up with the solution to all the world's energy problems 08:45 < AstralSin> beans 08:45 <@dasunt> With existing tech, the French system seems to be the way to go. 08:45 < AstralSin> we need to harness the awesome natural gas producing power of beans 08:48 <@rhia> we have existing tech here to turn garbage that would otherwise go to landfills into energy, we have plug in hybrids but the auto companies won't make them, theamerican auto manufacturers can sell 40mpg cars in germany, but not here, tech exists for driving engines/motors with compressed air, .... 08:48 <@dasunt> America doesn't have the demand for 40mpg cars. 08:49 <@rhia> bullshit 08:49 < AstralSin> yes we do but the majority of americans can't freaking afford a new car, i can't 08:49 <@dasunt> I'm being serious -- up until the spike in gas prices, the fuel hogs were selling quite well. 08:49 <@rhia> american auto manufacturers didn't like the restrictive regulations on cars so they invested almost all their inovation on the truck chassis (honking huge SUVs) 08:50 <@rhia> before the spike in gas prices, there were up to 2 year waits on Prius 08:50 <@dasunt> AstralSin: I was thinking about that -- fuel efficiency is probably being driven down by the simple factor that those who are wealthy enough to buy new cars regularly don't devote as large of a percentage of their budget to gas. 08:50 <@dasunt> rhia: Hybrids are a status symbol. 08:51 < AstralSin> well, thats another part of it, i think the auto culture in america has spawned a desire for a certain type of car, many americans still have in their minds the picture of big Detroit steel and they tend to prefer bigger cars 08:51 <@dasunt> Taxing new vehicles based on actual mpg would be an interesting experiment. 08:52 < AstralSin> i think most hybrids are fucking ugly, i think if auto makers were to make hybrid vehicles look like every other vehicle, they would sell better 08:52 < AstralSin> and they're starting to do that, so maybe it'll work out 08:52 <@rhia> whatever .... fuel efficiency being determined by the rich buyers rather than the collaboration between auto manufacturers and oil companies is ... an interesting take 08:53 < AstralSin> but hybrids aren't the answer, hybrids still require oil, just not in the consumer's hands, it taxes the power grid and requires more power generation, which means more coal consumption 08:53 <@rhia> considering our auto companies CAN and DO make much more fuel efficient cars to sell in foreign countries 08:53 <@dasunt> AstralSin: The early hybrids were supposed to look different. What else is there to distinguish them? There are conventional diesel vehicles that get similar mpg to the hybrids. 08:54 < AstralSin> yeah, there has to be some hidden agenda, its rediculous to think that there's some legitimate reason they don't distribute those cars in america 08:54 <@dasunt> rhia: Gas is much more expensive in other countries. 08:54 <@rhia> so? 08:54 <@dasunt> Demand. 08:54 <@dasunt> Right now, it costs $30 to fill up my tank. In parts of Europe, it would cost $80. 08:54 < AstralSin> dasunt: i don't really get that, why make them look different? i think it hurt the hybrid culture because most people don't like the way they look, and people want to like the way their car looks 08:55 <@rhia> we have the tech to melt "unrecyclable" plastics back down and get, among other useable stuffs, petro .... it already exists 08:55 <@dasunt> AstralSin: As I say, hybrids are a status symbol. As Rhia said, 2 year waits for the Prius, but there aren't similar waits for conventional vehicles with similar mpg. 08:55 < AstralSin> a person's car is very closely tied to the personality of the owner, if the owner doesn't like the way it looks, they're going to buy something that they do like because they don't want to be seen in something they think is ugly 08:56 <@rhia> dasunt: there weren't many similar mpg cars sold here when the prius hit 08:56 < AstralSin> did i imagine this or did i read about a year ago that a microbe was found that would turn garbage into oil? 08:56 <@rhia> and yes, the ones that came close, many of them had long wait periods 08:57 <@dasunt> rhia: There aren't many, but the waits aren't the same. 08:57 <@dasunt> And look at things such as the SUV hybrids -- an estimated 1-2 mpg more. 08:57 <@rhia> dasunt: well, for one reason, more of them were available, too 08:57 <@dasunt> Really, you can't say the SUV hybrids are being built because people are interested in fuel efficiency. 08:58 <@rhia> suv hybrids are the auto companies trying to rescue their precious truck chassis 08:58 <@dasunt> rhia: True. But SUV hybrids are also the equivalent of Joe Average Consumer paying a small penance to the priest to make up for his massive sin. 08:58 <@rhia> people that buy Them are the status seekers ... much like the Sierra club members who drive hummers 08:59 <@dasunt> Lighter cars are probably also a bigger selling in Europe due to traffic patterns. 09:00 <@dasunt> Having a car for just local shopping or getting to the train station is a lot different from the current commuter hell of an hour at 70-80mph each morning and night. 09:01 < AstralSin> ugh, man scotch+chili will give a man a mean case of the shits 09:01 <@rhia> dasunt: point is if we got out of protecting the american auto manufacturers for making shit for the last 20+ years and giving massive breaks to the oil companies for working hand in hand with them to ensure more consumption - commuters wouldn't have to be worried about driving to work or eating meat more than once a week 09:02 <@dasunt> rhia: I think commuters should be worried about driving to work -- we have a huge sprawl problem. 09:02 <@rhia> dasunt: of course, but we CAN and DO make MUCH more efficient cars, they don't OFFER them for sale here 09:03 <@rhia> not to mention some of the greener cars we DO have can't be sold but in states like CA that mandate so many of them on the road 09:03 <@dasunt> Can't or won't? 09:04 <@rhia> coal is carbon based, we can (and in some areas of the planet do) get usable oil from it 09:04 < AstralSin> coal is basically rock soaked with oil 09:04 <@dasunt> Making a hydrocarbon isn't a hard thing to do. 09:04 <@dasunt> AstralSin: That's oil shale. :p 09:05 < AstralSin> close enough 09:05 <@dasunt> US has a *lot* of oil shale, btw. 09:05 <@rhia> can't - deals with auto manufacturers ... unless a state specifically passes a law demanding the auto companies offer so many of such and such, it's illegal - auto companies protected by the federal government 09:06 <@dasunt> Considering the evidence that OPEC nations tend to lie out the ass when it comes to oil reserves, we're probably better off than Saudi Arabia right now. 09:07 <@dasunt> Oh, and a source for that statement: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_reserves#OPEC_countries 09:08 <@rhia> dasunt: a lot more coal and shale (and natural gas) than "oil" ... drill, baby, drill won't affect the market for at least 6 years most experts say closer to 10+ AND we only sit on 3% of the worlds oil anyway ..... AND a lot of what we DO sit on is in huge expanses of land that the oil companies own the rights to and haven't done jack with for years and years .... 09:09 <@rhia> but all you hear about is anwar and offshore ... 09:11 <@dasunt> I'd rather not see US extraction of oil increase in the short term, to be honest. 09:11 <@rhia> drill, baby, drill is kinda a GOP mantra 09:11 <@dasunt> I want to see the US move away from petrol-fueled vehicles, and to do that, the cost of operating a petrol vehicle has to go up. 09:12 <@rhia> i'd like to see us off oil in my lifetime 09:12 <@dc0de> rhia: me too 09:13 <@dasunt> We will never be off oil, it is too useful. 09:13 <@dc0de> I'd like to see us using electric trains, for suburb transit, Hydrogen, and bio-diesel 09:13 <@rhia> wonder how many people realize that 'biofuel' isn't JUST ethanol 09:13 <@dasunt> I want ethanol to die. 09:14 <@dc0de> ethanol won't die tho, it's too easy to make 09:14 <@dasunt> And way too many companies profit from ethanol. 09:14 <@rhia> it's a huge waste of crop land that barely breaks even in fuel used to grow/make and final product 09:14 <@dasunt> Which means more farmland and less natural habitat. 09:15 <@dc0de> there are different methods of making bio-diesel and ethanol, without using crops 09:15 <@dasunt> dc0de: I'm unaware of any that can compete with corn (in the US) for volume/price. 09:15 <@rhia> actually, it's been meaning more low grade 'ethanol' crops instead of human consumable crops or even livestock feed crops 09:15 <@dc0de> for example, certain algae can be converted to ethanol and biodiesel, as can certain types of seaweed 09:16 <@dc0de> I am hoping that I can get some land, that is an old chicken farm, complete with the barns, and convert it to an algae farm... 09:16 <@rhia> it's not hitting the natural habitats as much as convincing agribusiness to switch to the higher paying fuel crops over the lower paying, higher cost to maintain FOOD crops 09:16 <@dasunt> rhia: Don't be so sure -- my state, for example, is losing land that used to be unplowed for crops. 09:16 <@dc0de> growing algae can be done year round, and constantly harvested. 09:17 <@dasunt> I believe the state to the south (Iowa) has the same problem. Unsure about the other states around here. 09:17 <@rhia> dc0de: that's what i meant with " wonder how many people realize that 'biofuel' isn't JUST ethanol" 09:17 <@dc0de> rhia: I agree, we need MUCH more education 09:17 <@dasunt> I really hope that one day, the US moves to fission power as a primary electricity source. 09:18 <@dc0de> remember, I had a plan to open a bio-diesel plant in Barrow County GA, but my angels went elsewhere when the massive plant in Middle GA was announced. 09:18 <@dasunt> Probably unlikely, considering our vast coal reserves, but it would be nice. 09:18 <@dc0de> dasunt: I'd be happy with pebble-bed fusion 09:18 <@rhia> that and being able to extract biofuel for garbage - and recollect petro from "un recyclable" plastics 09:18 -!- remoford [n=remoford@c-68-52-72-214.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 09:18 <@dc0de> dasunt: I'd be happy with pebble-bed fission even... 09:18 <@dc0de> rhia: those are good ideas, but they currently are only viable on very large scales... which means very large $$$ 09:19 <@dasunt> dc0de: I'm happy with the current tech, to be honest. It's not the best, but considering that coal is literally killing tens of thousands each year, old fashioned fission + a few breeder reactors looks much better. 09:19 <@rhia> dc0de: not exactly true, got one guy here working with one swede and doing it on a relatively small scale (the plastics thing) ... 09:20 <@dc0de> dasunt: the pebble-bed fission cannot go "critical", and they produce far LESS nuclear waste for the energy output. 09:20 <@dc0de> rhia: can you point me to the info? that's something that I would like to learn more about 09:20 <@rhia> THAT is the type stuff we should be looking into and helping fund ... most major (none weapon) tech has come from necessity in someone's garage or barn, not from high brow think tanks paid for by the industries they're trying to obsolete 09:20 <@dc0de> why is firefox killing my machine!? using 400mbytes of memory! 09:21 <@dasunt> dc0de: I agree -- they are safer. I'm just trying to say is that even the current US designs are loads safer than coal power. 09:21 <@dc0de> dasunt: true... 09:21 <@rhia> dc0de: have to get it from dad, he was telling me about it on the phone last night 09:21 <@dc0de> but the NRC is dragging it's feet to approve pebble-bed, and we need to get more people to push... 09:21 <@rhia> watched it on one of the science-y channels in the last 5 months, tho 09:21 <@dc0de> rhia: please, I'm serious, keep me posted. 09:21 <@dc0de> if you can find out more, which channel and such... 09:22 <@dasunt> Look at Three Mile Island -- partial reactor meltdown. Worst civiliann nuclear power plant accident in the US involving fission. Estimated death toll from the amount of radioactivity released from that is 1. 09:22 <@rhia> i'll see if he (or i) can dig it up ... was planning on looking for it myself this weekend 09:22 <@dasunt> The average coal power plant, operating under ideal conditions, kills more people each year. 09:22 <@dc0de> dasunt: yeah, but there are far more releases than most of the "general public" pay attention to... 09:22 <@dc0de> I grew up in the shadow of Millstone NPP #1, 2, & 3 in Waterford CT... 09:23 <@dasunt> dc0de: True. OTOH, taking a plane trip exposes a person to more risk. 09:23 <@dc0de> I'll never forget the day there was a release of radioactive tritium gas, and we were all forced to stay in the basement of the school for the day. 09:23 <@dasunt> Woulding tritium gas be relatively safe? 09:23 <@dasunt> It's lighter than most air, right? 09:24 <@dc0de> in the quantities that it was released, no. 09:24 <@dc0de> and we had to hold until the air quality was checked... 09:24 <@rhia> i keep hearing mccain say obama doesn't want anything to do with nuclear energy, but obama says it's on the planning option and he's supported development and sought to cut the red tape on permits for them (which would allow for production of more plants) .... 09:25 <@rhia> so, whyfore, again, is mccain's plan better than obama's? (seriously) 09:25 * dc0de shuts down... not going political 09:25 <@dasunt> rhia: AFAIK, Obama has no concrete plans, nor has he mentioned reprocessing. 09:25 <@rhia> dc0de: not political, the energy PLANS 09:25 <@dasunt> McCain states he will reverse the reprocessing ban. 09:25 <@dc0de> plans are regardless... it's action 09:25 <@rhia> not the candidates or platforms, strictly the ENERGY 09:25 <@dasunt> McCain has also stated something like 30 new nuclear reactors. 09:26 <@rhia> 45 09:26 <@dasunt> Perhaps I'm reading them wrong, but to me, it seems that Obama has the option on the table, McCain has implimentation plans. 09:27 <@rhia> dasunt: all i see is "advocation" and "favors" and "options" .... 09:27 <@dasunt> dc0de: I wonder if that tritium gas incident you mention has some hard data for it -- I'd love to get some numbers on dispersal patterns and radiation levels. 09:28 <@rhia> the main difference i see in implementation is one voted to extend investment in renewable energy and tax credits to wind and solar, one didn't 09:28 <@dasunt> rhia: To be quite honest, that doesn't impress me. I'd rather not see the government trying to predict future tech. 09:29 <@rhia> eh, i'd like to see more aid for the garage tinkers that make the breakthroughs than more gifts to big oil and bailouts of inefficient shitty auto manufacturers 09:29 <@dasunt> The way to encourage alternative energy isn't to pick one or two promising technologies and fund them (directly or indirectly), the way to encourage alternative energy is to find the conventional energy sources you want to eliminate and increase their operating costs. 09:30 <@rhia> THAT is the type stuff we should be looking into and helping fund ... most major (none weapon) tech has come from necessity in someone's garage or barn, not from high brow think tanks paid for by the industries they're trying to obsolete 09:30 <@rhia> dasunt: re-read 09:30 * brimstone points at his garage 09:30 * dasunt points to his lack of a garage. 09:30 <@dasunt> I have a vehicle that runs on biofuel. 09:31 <@dasunt> Cost me under $1,000. 09:31 <@dasunt> Relatively simple to maintain. 09:31 <@brimstone> bikes don't count 09:31 <@rhia> the tax credit goes to the proven of those in use now to help spread the use ... the investment goes to folks coming up with new ideas 09:31 <@dasunt> :( 09:31 <@dasunt> brimstone: Why not damnit! :p 09:31 <@brimstone> i can't kill a tree in a bike 09:31 <@dasunt> rhia: And that's my problem -- why should solar and wind get an advantage when it comes to alternative power? 09:32 <@brimstone> what about tidal power? 09:32 <@dasunt> brimstone: Sure you can: http://www.woodbike.com/pages/1/index.htm 09:32 <@rhia> without some investiment, alternative energy just can't compete on the same playing field as big oil/big coal ... at this point in time, it's like sending jr hi kids out to play football against the Packers or the Cowboys 09:32 <@brimstone> dasunt: wow, everthing's on the internet isn't it? 09:33 <@dasunt> rhia: My point is, to level the playing field, we shouldn't elevate wind and solar to the same level as oil, we should lower oil, and let the best-of-breed develop from all the possible alt-energy sources. 09:33 <@rhia> dasunt: sigh .... they get some aid, but actually LESS aid than newer, unproven tech that Doesn't have a toehold on the playing field 09:34 <@rhia> and, yes, we HAVE to lower oil, .... what's the problem with all 3? 09:34 <@dasunt> brimstone: This is impressing me more: http://www.unicyclist.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69932 09:34 -!- AstralSin [n=astralsi@97.81.141.96] has quit ["WeeChat 0.2.6"] 09:34 <@dasunt> rhia: My problem is that by picking and choosing what technologies we should fund, the government is effectively disrupting the playing field for alt. energy. 09:34 <@rhia> we can lower oil, promote proven alternative, and invest and nurture even more alternative ideas at the same time 09:35 <@dasunt> brimstone: People do 100 mile cycle tours on unicycles. :o 09:36 <@rhia> dasunt: we already do that ... we've chosen OIL over all others, with natural gas and coal on the same field ... and wind and solar limping along with octagonal wheels somewhere just over the horizon behind them 09:36 <@dasunt> And I still have no fucking clue about the mechanics of brakes on unicycles. 09:37 <@dasunt> rhia: So choosing another energy source is a better solution than penalizing oil and seeing what develops? 09:38 <@rhia> i'm saying tilt the involvement towards cheaper, renewable, reusable, recyclable OVER expensive, spent/burnt, wasteful 09:38 <@rhia> already addressed that 09:38 <@dasunt> rhia: I think I have the same goal, but different ways of getting there. 09:39 <@brimstone> dasunt: yikes 09:39 <@dasunt> The other nice thing about penalizing oil is that it encourages non-energy solutions. 09:39 <@dasunt> rhia: Such as communities that encourage walking. 09:40 <@dasunt> Oh well guys, its Saturday, and since my life sucks, I get to go into work, it seems. BBL. 09:40 <@dasunt> rhia: Nice talking to you. 09:40 <@rhia> dasunt: that's cheap, renewable, reusable, and recyclable energy ;) 09:40 <@dasunt> dc0de: Sorry the politics talk drove you away. 09:40 <@brimstone> gonna bike in dasunt? 09:40 <@dasunt> brimstone: Walking. I have a saga concerning my bike. :( 09:40 <@brimstone> heh, take luck 10:00 -!- hobbes615 [n=ryan@c-98-218-79-132.hsd1.dc.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 10:00 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o hobbes615] by ChanServ 10:05 -!- ShadowHntr [n=sentinel@wikipedia/Shadowhntr] has joined #se2600 10:05 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o ShadowHntr] by ChanServ 10:19 -!- hobbes615 [n=ryan@c-98-218-79-132.hsd1.dc.comcast.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 10:22 -!- AstralSin [n=astralsi@97.81.141.96] has joined #se2600 10:23 < AstralSin> i just ate the fucking nastiest biscuit and gravy ever 10:24 < ware> hardees? 10:25 <@brimstone> i'm thinkin' arbies 10:27 < AstralSin> nah, it was a little gas station nearby 10:28 < AstralSin> they usually have pretty good breakfast, but they fuckin fail at gravy 10:28 < AstralSin> hardees has good gravy 10:34 < AstralSin> yay! dd-wrt is pretty cool 10:43 -!- Catonic_lp [n=cinotac@60-24.9-67.bham.res.rr.com] has joined #se2600 10:43 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Catonic_lp] by ChanServ 10:49 -!- Drag0n [n=dragon@cpe-76-184-98-159.tx.res.rr.com] has joined #se2600 10:49 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Drag0n] by ChanServ 10:53 <@Catonic_lp> my kingdom for eight hours of a sleep 11:14 -!- Redneo [n=IceChat7@24-181-91-123.dhcp.leds.al.charter.com] has joined #se2600 11:15 <@Catonic_lp> http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/fail-owned-application-raping-fail.jpg 11:43 <@Catonic_lp> http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comics/20081010.jpg <- lmfao 11:46 < ware> no u 11:48 < Redneo> Have a question I've pre-register will I get a confirmation by email 11:49 < ware> you should tho some people have not been getting htem 11:49 < ware> myself included 11:49 < ware> but we checked and we were in the db as preregistered 11:54 <@Catonic_lp> http://imagechan.com/images/4e273e2af22494d624b1d986d580688d.jpg 11:55 < ware> niiice 11:55 < Redneo> so just consider myself confirmed 11:55 < ware> send Corydon76-dig a msg, he is in charge of that 11:57 < Redneo> is he on now 11:57 <@brimstone> oh he's always on Redneo 11:58 < Redneo> thanks for the help 11:58 -!- rattle [n=rattle@tor/regular/rattle] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 12:18 <@sdodson> brimstone: you don't like arbies? 12:26 <@Catonic_lp> meh. im thininking food, but I want to wait a bit 12:27 <@Catonic_lp> cant think of what I want to eat. Have a craving for a ham slice, but short of just buying that at the grocery store and cookling it.. 12:30 <@sdodson> Why do gauranteed loans make sense? Isn't part of the loan making money based on taking a risk? 12:31 <@Catonic_lp> sdodson: sort of like having a line of credit where you deposit $500 and then they loan you $500? 12:56 <@rhia> guaranteed loans just shift part (sometimes the MAJOR part) of the risk to the guaranteer 12:58 < AstralSin> neat, i just bought a bonsai tree 12:58 <@rhia> supposedly it's like borrowing money from Aunt Bee to buy a new bike and you'll pay her back with your paper route, meantime, Aunt Bee can rely on Andy to payback the egg and milk money if you don't pay her back ... 13:00 <@rhia> if you do pay her back, she doesn't have to hit Andy up to buy the groceries, if you don't, well, Andy gives her money 13:02 -!- BlueCopy1 [n=BlueCop@69.180.234.18] has joined #se2600 13:02 <@rhia> on the government scale, the economy relies heavily on the financial system to keep running smoothly, it tanks and all hell starts to come thru hundreds of cracks making it hard for government to stay in power (or, if Bee can't buy food, Andy goes hungry) 13:03 <@rhia> for current circumstances, that'd work better if Andy weighed a ton and could stand to miss a few meals, but, well, our Andy has gotten used to excess and doesn't know how to NOT eat 12 fried chickens for lunch every day 13:07 -!- BlueCopy [n=BlueCop@69.180.234.18] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:18 -!- rattle [n=rattle@tor/regular/rattle] has joined #se2600 13:18 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o rattle] by ChanServ 13:21 -!- Catonic_lp [n=cinotac@60-24.9-67.bham.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:23 -!- Catonic_lp [n=cinotac@adsl-068-209-203-168.sip.hsv.bellsouth.net] has joined #se2600 13:23 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Catonic_lp] by ChanServ 13:27 <@sdodson> I understand what it means. 13:27 <@sdodson> I don't see how a guarantor is good for the situation. 13:28 <@sdodson> To me it encourages fraud. 13:34 < AstralSin> jesus christ, i had no idea caring for a bonsai was so complicated 13:38 <@Catonic_lp> how's that? 13:42 <+jb7od> you have to keep the pH right in the dirt don't you? 13:42 <+jb7od> and overwatering is certain death too i think 13:43 < ware> no u 13:43 < AstralSin> from what i can tell, you're supposed to water the shit out of it 13:44 <@sdodson> Heh, this is awesome. Tax Records + Facebook = no more fair housing road blocks. 13:49 <@Catonic_lp> ? 13:54 <+jb7od> AstralSin: for whatever reason i thought i remembered my wife killing hers by overwatering but i could be wrong.. maybe not.. lol. she assasinated my Ranchu too- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranchu 13:56 < aestetix_> dongz 13:57 <@Catonic_lp> vagina 13:58 < AstralSin> oh, i'll probably kill this thing, i've just always wanted one and i saw an asian guy selling them out of the back of a van today, so, of course, the first thing that came to my mind was "wow, that guy must know what he's doing" 13:58 < AstralSin> it was only $20 and i had some extra cash from winning a poker game last night 14:00 <@sdodson> Catonic_lp: So, you're looking at a place. Search nearby residences in the real estate records, look them all up in facebook. You now know if you'll be surrounded by students, drunks, etc. 14:07 -!- hobbes615 [n=ryan@c-98-218-79-132.hsd1.dc.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 14:07 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o hobbes615] by ChanServ 14:11 <@Catonic_lp> oh yeah... 14:11 <@Catonic_lp> and you can find the student ghetto easy 14:11 <@Catonic_lp> then again, I'd rather live among the students 14:12 < AstralSin> jb7od: did your wife get specialized tools for pruning her bonsai? 14:12 <@Catonic_lp> aestetix: sup nizzle? 14:23 <+jb7od> AstralSin: it seems like there was a little knife, but we didn't prune it a whole lot. it might have lived a year before it got it's roots rotted. 14:23 < AstralSin> ah 14:24 < AstralSin> im looking at all these shears and things, and i'm thinking "why not just use some scissors" 14:24 < AstralSin> and i was wondering if there was a real reason other than the obviously tyrannical trade of bonsai shearing equipment 14:25 <+jb7od> i'd have to ask my mom, but i know there is a science to pruning a plant to where you have to care about the grain of the plant and not just cleaving it off- i think it will leave a knot or a scar if you don't do it right- 14:26 <+jb7od> not that you're in it for the competition aspect, but it takes so long to grow those little bastards, it will be some time before you have something to prune 14:26 < AstralSin> i understand that a certain technique must be adhered to, but i've got some fuckin supersharp scissors that, at least in my mind, would work just fine 14:27 <+jb7od> i don't know enough to tell you otherwise lol 14:27 < AstralSin> there's a bunch of foliage on it now, and its kinda growing to one side, I read earlier where if you prune it a certain way you can tell it which way to grow, so i was gonna do that 14:27 <+jb7od> ya 14:29 <+jb7od> my mom is leet with plants- she can make shit grow out of rocks. 14:29 < AstralSin> a shit plant? 14:29 < AstralSin> wow, that is impressive 14:29 <+jb7od> and anything plant 14:29 <+jb7od> if you wanted a shit one, she could do it. 14:30 < AstralSin> i'd pay for a diarrhea tree 14:30 <+jb7od> fr. Herb Society member- i want her to persue it but she's a hermit 14:32 <+jb7od> lol 14:32 <+jb7od> that's a project. 14:33 < AstralSin> man, looking at the prices of these fucking fancy scissors pisses me off 14:33 <+jb7od> i'm going to find out what the foulest smelling plant/flower is 14:33 < AstralSin> i mean, how the hell do these people live with themselves selling a pair of scissors for $73 14:33 < AstralSin> http://www.amazon.com/Joshua-Roth-Bonsai-Ashinaga-Shears/dp/B000FJDAL2/ref=sr_1_44?ie=UTF8&m=A2ZRA3OBVZWITS&s=generic&qid=1223753534&sr=1-44 14:33 < AstralSin> its a fuckin pair of scissors! 14:34 < AstralSin> $73!!! 14:34 <+jb7od> there's something to the curve, if you go with a knife, there's some shit about swerving your cut 14:34 <@Catonic_lp> $400 for cables supported by pieces of plastic... 14:34 <@Catonic_lp> audiophiles are nuts. 14:34 < AstralSin> thats a bunch of crap, i can cut a strait line 14:35 < AstralSin> Catonic_lp: oh, a/v cables is a racket, it *really* doesn't matter when it comes to cabling, any old crap will perform just as good as the expensive stuff 14:35 < AstralSin> well, i won't say that, but for the most part, the cheap shit works just as well as the expensive shit 14:36 < AstralSin> that and if you do it alot, its really really cheap to make them yourself and save boatloads of cash 14:36 <+jb7od> i think the point is that you make an even cut without leaving a "break" in the cut- like when you cut there's one part uneven 14:36 <+jb7od> i made audio cables out of lamp a/c and vaccum cleaner a/c cable 14:36 <+jb7od> when i was like 14 14:36 < AstralSin> its easy 14:37 <+jb7od> a/c has higher grade copper than most "pro audio" bullshit anyway 14:37 <+jb7od> but it's like the man said: "if it sounds good, it is good" 14:38 < AstralSin> exactly 14:38 <+jb7od> well i'd be more worried about the roots than pruning boo boo's anyway- at least with bonsai 14:39 <+jb7od> if you make an ugly cut, cover it with that gummy tape shit- plants can get infections just like anything 14:41 <@Catonic_lp> an 18 guage two-prong extension coard is all you need to make a speaker cable 14:41 <@Catonic_lp> that's large enough to take 500W or so. 14:42 <+jb7od> as far as mixing and dynamics if you can get a small enough room to flood out the reflection you can do as good as anywhere- 14:42 <+jb7od> some guys on a budget mix in rooms the size of prison cells 14:42 <@Catonic_lp> 18GA is rated for 1200W @ 120V for 5% voltage loss in symmetrical resistance losses. 14:43 <@Catonic_lp> in a *small* room, you can do that. 14:43 <@Catonic_lp> in a larger room you get into the echo issue like every gym's PA system. 14:43 <+jb7od> reflection 14:44 <@Catonic_lp> technically, it's multipath interference, but who's counting? 14:45 <@Catonic_lp> my parents' living room has a resonance at 50Hz. 14:46 <@Catonic_lp> when you mix in a small room, you're trying to avoid the resonance issue by moving the resonance out of your realm of hearing. 14:46 <@Catonic_lp> the same technique is used to make radio recievers selective of what they are recieving. 14:46 < AstralSin> jb7od: gummy tape shit? 14:46 < AstralSin> i know not of this 14:47 <+jb7od> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reflection_(physics) 14:47 <+jb7od> there's this stuff that you can bandage plants with that has some kind of resin on it 14:47 <+jb7od> i don't know what it's called 14:48 < AstralSin> i see 14:48 <+jb7od> man i had to drink nearly a half pint of rum to clear my headache this morning. 14:49 <+jb7od> stayed up waay to late 14:49 < AstralSin> hehehe 14:51 -!- BlueCopy1 [n=BlueCop@69.180.234.18] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:51 -!- unixfa2 [n=ryan@c-75-66-111-159.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 14:51 -!- unixfa2 [n=ryan@c-75-66-111-159.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has left #se2600 [] 14:51 -!- unixfag [n=ryan@pdpc/supporter/professional/unixfag] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 14:51 -!- unixfag [n=ryan@pdpc/supporter/professional/unixfag] has joined #se2600 14:51 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o unixfag] by ChanServ 14:52 <+jb7od> Catonic_lp: so what do you get with 50hz tone? (headphones rule anyway) 14:52 <+jb7od> silence? 14:52 <+MxZBot> silence is me discarding the first 20 or so replies I thought of... 14:52 <+jb7od> silence? 14:52 <+MxZBot> silence is me discarding the first 20 or so replies I thought of... 14:52 <@Catonic_lp> resonance... standing waves. 14:52 <+jb7od> ugh 14:53 <+jb7od> the wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo 14:53 <+jb7od> cans mane. what kinda racket do you make? 14:54 <+jb7od> i don't guess it's a white stripes cover band 14:54 <+jb7od> if you know enough to care what a hZ is 14:57 <+jb7od> (okay my 5 year old daughter just asked to listen to Clutch.. wtf hahahhaa) 14:59 * jb7od is listening to [Clutch - The Soapmakers] at 0:04/2:57 (44 kHz, 192 kbps, stereo) 15:02 -!- jb7od- [n=itsME@c-68-52-172-68.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 15:02 < jb7od-> i pwn my neighbor 15:03 -!- jb7od- [n=itsME@c-68-52-172-68.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has left #se2600 ["pzpz then.."] 15:04 <+jb7od> dude the Wizard on nmap-win these days has got me rollin. 15:06 < ware> ? 15:07 < ware> the gui frontend is pretty coool 15:07 <+jb7od> it is, i won't front. 15:08 < ware> nah u frontin 15:08 <+jb7od> there's alot of winnites that would cave at having to rtfm 15:08 <+jb7od> lol 15:08 < ware> haha 15:08 <+jb7od> there he is. you never talk to me 15:09 <+jb7od> well no i take it back, i front on windows all day and day 15:09 <+jb7od> lol 15:10 <+jb7od> windows gets pushed down the stairs and told to shut up and go get undressed. 15:11 < ware> well i dunno about all that 15:11 <+jb7od> okay windows pwns 15:11 <+jb7od> you game and shit? 15:11 < ware> same time 15:11 < ware> at the* 15:12 <+jb7od> good, i thought you were talking about lotus notes there for a sec. 15:14 -!- rattle [n=rattle@tor/regular/rattle] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 15:20 <+jb7od> i've noticed mr. overclocker gamer gpu head loves to look at the 27 xp procs on the best os ever made and totally hates on *ux. 15:20 <+jb7od> i have to confess it's a better pron looker 15:23 < ware> ? 15:23 < ware> youre drunk 15:24 <+jb7od> that's normal 15:25 < ware> a wget script on a porn.com is much better 15:25 < ware> gank the entire site 15:26 <@Catonic_lp> ware: stop hating yourself. 15:27 <+jb7od> and stop payng for porn 15:27 <+jb7od> i'm only half-drunk 15:29 <+jb7od> ware: msg me the acct info. 15:29 <@Catonic_lp> jb7od: the fact that you started the day with a half a bottle of rum and are still drinking now is somewhat disconcerning. 15:29 <+jb7od> i'm out now, but it might be. 15:32 <@sdodson> http://video.aol.com/video-detail/bird-poops-in-reporters-mouth-on-live-tv/988577007?icid=100214839x1211161234x1200697653 15:33 <@sdodson> jb7od: why do you lol at it? 15:33 <+jb7od> what did i lol? 15:34 <@sdodson> jb7od: The nmap windows front end. 15:34 < ware> pay for porn? 15:34 < ware> ur mom 15:34 < ware> is porn 15:34 <@Catonic_lp> I lol'd at your mother's ass 15:34 <+jb7od> you would 15:34 < ware> i lol'd in ur moms ass 15:34 < ware> i lol'd in ur moms ass 15:34 < ware> i lol'd in ur moms ass 15:34 <+jb7od> i would lol at you loling my mothers ass 15:34 <@sdodson> jb7od: What's the difference between the windows front end and normal nmap? 15:35 <+jb7od> switches- i lol at the wizard 15:35 <@Catonic_lp> not munch since windows finally has a realy tcp/ip stack 15:35 < ware> in ur moms but, jus loln 15:36 <+jb7od> i lol at anyone in my mom's butt- you really don't know what you're getting yourself into 15:36 < ware> yah i do, its ur mums bum 15:36 < ware> hai, iz niec in her 15:36 <+jb7od> i'm sorry about that 15:37 < ware> sumbody spray painted on teh wall 15:37 < ware> sez 'sdodson wuz herr' 15:37 <+jb7od> what's sdodson write like? is it some f0x0rd 80's letters or a one liner? 15:38 * jb7od is listening to [Black Flag - Scream] at 0:04/6:46 (44 kHz, 584 kbps, stereo) 15:38 < ware> 1linr 15:39 <+jb7od> frech 15:39 <+jb7od> hey there should be a 2600 bombing crew. can i hit that up? 15:40 <+jb7od> is there anything in the bylaws about vandalism? 15:42 < ware> fed 15:42 < ware> http://media.tumblr.com/b1fwWq7Cweciwbw7oZd1hwPTo1_400.jpg 15:42 < ware> http://media.tumblr.com/b1fwWq7CweciutoaQsCELWjeo1_400.jpg 15:43 <+jb7od> she looks so happy. 15:50 <@Catonic_lp> she looks 12. 15:51 * Catonic_lp returns to his normally scheduled eating disorder 15:52 -!- oddball [n=oddball@c-69-180-225-98.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 15:52 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o oddball] by ChanServ 15:52 <@Catonic_lp> sup oddballz 15:58 -!- BlueCopy [n=BlueCop@69.180.234.18] has joined #se2600 16:01 <@sdodson> Catonic_lp: what's your eating disorder? 16:01 <@sdodson> ware: who dat? 16:02 <@Catonic_lp> sdodson: just trying to lose. 16:02 <@sdodson> I thought you were already fit and shit 16:02 < ware> sdodson: preds game 16:03 <@sdodson> jb7od: So, knowing command line switches is different from checking a checkbox in a window how? 16:03 < AstralSin> yeah, command line switches are faster 16:03 < ware> GO PREDS! 16:04 <@sdodson> ware: no, who's the chick in cuffs? 16:06 <+jb7od> sdodson: i'm not dissing fe's, i'm dissing kiddies. 16:15 <@sdodson> jb7od: Right, why? 16:15 <@sdodson> You think it takes more brains to put together a command line switch? 16:15 <+jb7od> no it takes attention and patience. 16:16 <@sdodson> Wouldn't understanding general principles be more important? 16:16 -!- dc0de [n=dc0de@c-24-131-56-242.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:16 <@sdodson> realize i've never seen the front end so i'm not sure how it looks 16:17 <+jb7od> it's a Wizard 16:17 <+jb7od> it's got one anyway 16:17 <+jb7od> it's called a Wizard too 16:18 <@sdodson> zenmap? 16:18 <+jb7od> yessir 16:20 <+jb7od> i know you're a windows supremacist, and i don't condemn it- i love all os's equally.. i just think it's funny that they packaged that into a mode and decided to call it a Wizard 16:21 <@sdodson> You realize that's available for the other platforms too, right? 16:21 <+jb7od> are you joking? 16:21 <+jb7od> of course i do. 16:22 <@sdodson> So why's this at all related to windows? 16:22 <+jb7od> because of the word Wizard. 16:23 <@sdodson> This wizard does nothing to dumb things down. You sure put yourself on a pedestal for something as simple as being able to look up a command line switch rather than selecting it from a drop down box. 16:25 <+jb7od> lol. maybe i think you're on the pedistal. 16:26 <+jb7od> you just like to fight, we've done this before. it's okay- i'm not upset- i will think the Wizard is funny either way. 16:26 <@sdodson> Look, you assholes who think that use of a command line means instant intelligence are useless. 16:26 <+jb7od> there's a guy at my work you'd get along with 16:26 <+jb7od> why am i any more an asshole than you? 16:27 <@sdodson> One needs to know the difference between a fin, syn, ack scan etc. That's the bits worth knowing. A command line switch, useless. 16:28 <+jb7od> you and Clippy can hang... it's aiite- don't be mad. 16:28 <@sdodson> It's like you're not even listening. 16:28 <+jb7od> to you arguing about what i think is funny? hell no i'm not listening. 16:28 <+jb7od> lol 16:29 <+jb7od> what kind of sponge are you taking me for? haha 16:32 <+jb7od> i agree with you more than you know- as far as fundamentals, but that's not what i find comedy in and that's non sequitur 16:32 <+jb7od> and you called me an asshole 16:34 <@sdodson> Ya, I know, I couldn't come up with anything better. 16:34 <+jb7od> man, it's all good. 16:36 <@sdodson> So, you didn't say this, but I assume the humor you find is in that dropdown boxes are dumber, right? 16:36 -!- pulse [n=diz@209.149.132.140] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 16:37 <+jb7od> my perspective is this- the further away an os gets from the fundamentals the dumber the enduser is expected to be, even though i know commandline is a lower level, it's important to know the levels- once that gets forgotten, then the people are the victims of whatever b0rkware vendors put out. 16:40 <+jb7od> nmap provides source, honestly the example is moot. 16:41 <@sdodson> I don't think command line switches are fundamental to anything. I think understanding the difference between a syn, ack, fin, null, etc scans are the fundamentals. To me that's like saying a type writer makes you less proficient in English. 16:48 <+jb7od> if it doesn't come up for you, it doesn't come up. i can deal with shells- you can see it either way. it's hard to advocate NOT knowing how to do something. that's like arguing that automatics are superior to manual transmissions- what do you do when you HAVE to drive one? maybe you don't have to- it's just a question of practices. 16:50 <+jb7od> there's a guy at my work, he's a gamer. he knows his hardware like a motherfucker. take away that mouse and see what happens. tell him to terminal the linux server, see what happens. it's all relative to what you do. 16:50 <+jb7od> and this kid bags on me all the time 16:51 <+jb7od> "all you command line faggots" 16:51 <+jb7od> lol 16:51 <+jb7od> "you think you're mister l33t haX0r! 16:51 <+jb7od> "lol 16:52 <+jb7od> lol 16:53 <@sdodson> Knowing a command line switch is not significantly different from selecting an option from a drop down box. It requires no additional knowledge. It's simply a look up table. 16:55 <+jb7od> you're right. it requires additional READING. 17:03 < aestetix_> sdodson: but scriptable and more efficient 17:03 < aestetix_> typing > clicking 17:04 <@sdodson> aestetix_: Right, of course. I never said command line is bad. I think that looking down on dropdown boxes mostly provides for a false sense of bravado. 17:05 < aestetix_> Ahhh. Ok. 17:05 < aestetix_> They definately serve their purpose. 17:05 <+jb7od> damn man- it's just that it's called a Wizard 17:06 <@sdodson> Ok, nevermind then. 17:07 <+jb7od> to me, that's like "click on hack" 17:09 <@sdodson> Because it's too easy? 17:14 -!- Redneo [n=IceChat7@24-181-91-123.dhcp.leds.al.charter.com] has quit ["Take my advise. I don't use it anyway"] 17:14 <+jb7od> you know as well as i do that there are a WHOLE group of kiddies who will use it and get no closer to SYN, ACK, ATA, XOR or anything else. fe's themselves are not that hard to do, neither are scripts. but if you put "Wizard" on there, i'm going to laugh at it. 17:15 <+jb7od> not even that the fe is lame. 17:16 <@sdodson> If it said Druid would you be happy? :) 17:17 <+jb7od> i wouldn't use that shit either, it might as well say "Take a Tour.." 17:17 < aestetix_> What if it said "Sex Kitten" 17:17 <+jb7od> i'd be pissed because there'd be nothing to beat off to. 17:19 <+jb7od> i'm going to get out reshack and fix it to say sex kitten 17:21 <@sdodson> Is it normal to fsck a file system as part of a maintenance plan? 17:22 <+jb7od> after a number of boots, alot of os force it i think. 17:23 <+jb7od> i don't reboot enough to know what number 17:23 <+jb7od> the debian boxes do it (and ubuntu) 17:23 <+jb7od> slackware doesn't 17:25 <@sdodson> That's an option when creating the file system. 17:25 < AstralSin> actually, its specified in /etc/fstab 17:25 <@sdodson> You can use tune2fs to alter that, just use the wizard. 17:26 < AstralSin> well, whether its checked or not is, not sure about where to define when its checked 17:28 <@sdodson> AstralSin: That's for the quick check, that basically checks to see if it was unmounted cleanly, if it wasn't it does a fsck. There are options when creating the FS that allow you specify the number of mounts or days between forced fscks. 17:29 < AstralSin> you can disable the mandatory checks of the fs that happen every X days in there too 17:29 < AstralSin> or every X boots or whatever 17:33 <@sdodson> Ya, probably so. 17:41 -!- Jagobah [n=jago7777@adsl-157-97-39.owb.bellsouth.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 17:43 -!- Jagobah [n=jago7777@adsl-155-216-159.owb.bellsouth.net] has joined #se2600 17:43 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Jagobah] by ChanServ 17:57 -!- BlueCopy [n=BlueCop@69.180.234.18] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:04 -!- BlueCopy [n=BlueCop@69.180.234.18] has joined #se2600 19:43 -!- Catonic [n=catonic@60-24.9-67.bham.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:47 -!- arafatm [n=arafatm@c-69-245-46-249.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 19:47 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o arafatm] by ChanServ 19:59 -!- dc0de [n=dc0de@c-24-131-56-242.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 19:59 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o dc0de] by ChanServ 20:29 <@Shadow404> what do ou get when a russinam dude, a hardware salesman and a florida farmer walks into a room at the same time 20:38 <@dc0de> three guys in a room 20:38 <@Shadow404> fail 20:38 <@Shadow404> "a screwdriver" 20:43 <@dc0de> lame. very, very lame. 20:43 <@dc0de> even for you. 20:45 -!- geoffscoffee [n=geoff@c-76-18-176-47.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 20:46 < geoffscoffee> evenin 20:49 < AstralSin> heya 20:50 <@dc0de> evenin geoff 20:50 <@Shadow404> dc0de: hey!, i just came up with that tonight 20:51 <@dc0de> Shadow404: don't quit your day job 20:51 <@SkyDog_> Heya Geoff. 20:52 <@dc0de> w00f 20:52 * aestetix_ hugs SkyDog_ 20:53 <@Shadow404> SkyDog_: what was this about a ham talk for pn? or somethng you discussed with Catonic_lp? 20:54 * Shadow404 sprays aestetix_ with water 20:54 <@Shadow404> down boy! 20:55 <@Shadow404> aestetix_ -> "al's next bf", or "se2600's next whore" 20:56 <@SkyDog_> Catonic said he wanted to do one. 20:57 <@Shadow404> like what with? 20:57 <@Shadow404> i havent ha d achance to ask him 20:57 <@Shadow404> hes probably crashing shift waise 20:58 <@SkyDog_> I have no idea what he's gonna do. 20:58 <@Shadow404> ok, you guys said sat. night, right? 20:58 <@SkyDog_> It's on the schedule at 5pm, I think. 20:58 <@Shadow404> ok, thx for the infoz 20:58 <@SkyDog_> No problem. 21:04 -!- BlueCopy1 [n=BlueCop@69.180.234.18] has joined #se2600 21:09 < geoffscoffee> hey all, sorry i wandered off 21:09 <@SkyDog_> No problem. 21:09 < geoffscoffee> you keepin it between the lines? 21:09 <@SkyDog_> trying to. Sitting at he HC. 21:10 <@SkyDog_> Did more work on the floor today. 21:10 < geoffscoffee> cool, how many more bodies do you need to fill it in? 21:11 -!- Redneo [n=IceChat7@24-181-91-123.dhcp.leds.al.charter.com] has joined #se2600 21:13 <@SkyDog_> hehe! 21:13 <@SkyDog_> A few. 21:16 < geoffscoffee> ok, will work on that 21:19 <@SkyDog_> Cool. :) 21:23 -!- BlueCopy [n=BlueCop@69.180.234.18] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:38 -!- Corydon76-dig [i=red@pdpc/supporter/bronze/Corydon76-home] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:39 <+jb7od> http://www.ministryofrum.com/2008.php I can't believe cruzan single barrel placed gold... 21:43 -!- Catonic [n=catonic@67.9.24.60] has joined #se2600 21:44 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Catonic] by ChanServ 21:54 <+jb7od> anybody in here ever take a test for an IT role with the state? 21:55 <+jb7od> or a state 21:55 < booker404> I can't imagine it's too involved... I think state tests are usually multiple-guess crap 21:56 <+jb7od> well it's alot of string recognition. numpad shit mostly. at least for tennessee's Computer Operator. and tightly timed. 21:57 <+jb7od> i passed that thing but all they had was 3rd shift stuff and like 10$ at the time. 21:57 <+jb7od> i also passed the teller test, but they didn't want me. some girl beat me lol. 21:57 < booker404> 3rd shift IT for $10/hr? what the shit 21:58 <+jb7od> this was in like 2002 for dhs, the benefits were the bomb tho. 21:59 <+jb7od> the role was like data entry/tape monkey. 21:59 < booker404> ahh 22:00 -!- Corydon76-dig [n=tilghman@pdpc/supporter/bronze/Corydon76-home] has joined #se2600 22:00 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Corydon76-dig] by ChanServ 22:15 <@dasunt> $10/hr? 22:15 <@dasunt> Yegads. 22:15 <@dasunt> You got to steal equipment and sell it on ebay so you werne't living in a box, right? 22:34 <+jb7od> oh i didn't take the gig, the insurance was good- better than what we get from St.Thomas (spouse). entry lvl, i didn't have certs then, but most of all i said nty. haha. 22:34 < AstralSin> man, i just watched that vid about hacking pay phones that debuted at HOPE... now i've found one on ebay for $50 22:36 <+jb7od> some places offer 13 starting to a father of 2, with certs, on military shift. -_o 22:37 <+jb7od> within the past calendar year, that's 1.50 less than i was pulling at the graveyard, which i abandoned. 22:37 <+jb7od> and that was 7-4p no weekends. 22:38 <+jb7od> i am the uninsurable. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodpasture%27s_syndrome 22:40 <+jb7od> thanks to this demon ring, even 40k couldn't save us from chapter 13. 22:41 <+jb7od> and what's his name said the DRINKING was disconcerning. 22:41 <+jb7od> lol 22:42 < booker404> mother hell that sucks 22:46 <+jb7od> lol- na i'll write a book or sth. 22:46 < booker404> I meant Goodpasture Syndrome... 22:46 <@Catonic> At least it's non-communicable and you've already had kids. 22:47 <+jb7od> nobody knows what causes it. 22:47 <@Catonic> anal leakage. 22:47 < booker404> that's a symptom, not a cause 22:48 <+jb7od> back in the day there were three diseases that were all called "bright's disease" (basically you die, they cut you open: grey kidneys=bright's) 22:48 <+jb7od> Goodpasture's is one of them 22:49 <+jb7od> my ass is fine, i did however hack up 7 units of blood by the time i made it to the hospital. 22:49 <+jb7od> that's half ur blood for a feller my size. 22:50 <+jb7od> intabated for 18 days. 22:51 < booker404> wow holy crap... i think the longest my father was ever intubated for about 10-12 days... even after a couple days it was a crappy process 22:51 < booker404> liquid diet for a couple days, not knowing what day it was... 22:52 <+jb7od> oh that shit is fucked- "what time is it?" "it's 3 am" "are you shittin me?" "no" 22:52 < booker404> well hell, it's two and a half weeks later, and you probably think it's only 2 days... 22:53 < booker404> i bet? 22:53 <+jb7od> i got an old school biopsy too because they didn't think i was gonna live. 22:53 <+jb7od> i knew it was some days, just not how many. 22:53 <+jb7od> if they saw me up, they'd put me down. i was into trying to break loose. 22:54 < booker404> that's common... 22:54 <+jb7od> that's instinct. 22:54 < booker404> yeah, exactly 22:54 <+jb7od> now i look like the pumpkin king. 22:55 < booker404> Jaundice? 22:55 <+jb7od> na i just lost alot of mass. 22:55 < booker404> ahh.. yeah holy crap... 22:56 < booker404> one thing with my father is that they were never able to establish an NG tube (broken nose some years ago didn't heal straight), so his stomach was try every time he was intubated 22:56 <+jb7od> and no matter how intense of a labor job i get, i can get strong, but i don't get big. i worked 4 years of audio cartage for PT and got strong as hell, just still like a wire figure. 22:56 <+jb7od> i'm so glad i dont' remember mine. 22:56 < booker404> I imagine they have you on a "special" diet, no? 22:57 <+jb7od> na 22:57 < booker404> yeah, they usually have you on a Diprovan drip... it's a white liquid in a glass IV, sometimes called "Milk of Amnesia" 22:57 <+jb7od> i remember a little of my broncoscopy- that was f0x0r3d 22:58 <+jb7od> and some of "the tooth" in the ICU at vandy upright tied to a bed 22:58 < booker404> while intubated? or a separate thing? 22:58 <+jb7od> the broncoscopy was at mtsc before i got lifeflighted to vu 22:59 <+jb7od> vu is a jacobs ladder flash. 22:59 < booker404> ahh... as a diagnostic measure. fu.... 22:59 <+jb7od> well they had to pump out a shitload of blood from my lungs 22:59 < booker404> yeah, I bet 22:59 <+jb7od> i spent alot of that time on pure ox 22:59 <+jb7od> 85k was the grand total 23:00 <+jb7od> just from vu 23:00 < booker404> wow, that's really not that bad for 18 days... 23:00 < booker404> although, on a cash account, yeah... 23:00 <+jb7od> well a week of that was mtsc, i don't know what that bill was. 23:01 <+jb7od> na i got on my dad's insurance as a dependant for 2 yr. college attendance- 2 weeks before i dragged my half dead ass in 23:01 < booker404> I think many of my fathers' cases came to well over $100k for about 2 weeks... but there was at least 2 insurances they billed directly... 23:01 <+jb7od> and i dropped on the floor and they quarantined the er 23:01 < booker404> yeah.... coughing up blood (as I imagine you were) is usually a sign of TB 23:02 <+jb7od> but they wigged worse when they found out it wasn't 23:02 <+jb7od> lol 23:03 <+jb7od> they had to send my kidney spice to cali to get it tested. that was the most expensive thing on the bill. 23:03 < booker404> haven't been through a quarantine, but can picture it.. 23:03 <+jb7od> i don't remember. i was 7 units short.. haha 23:03 <+jb7od> horrible nightmares tho 23:03 < booker404> some of those tests are extremely expensive for what they are... although a kidney biopsy can probably be justified 23:04 < booker404> oh yeah I bet... 23:04 <+jb7od> they didn't plug me, it was a full on 8" incision. 23:04 < booker404> what the hell? 23:04 <+MxZBot> what are you all asleep? 23:04 <+jb7od> repleat with leaking drain 23:05 <+jb7od> i told you- they didn't think i'd live... lol 23:05 < booker404> We almost purchased a blood gas analyzer once... we could've gotten it for about 1-2k, whereas one test was about $100 (and ideally would've done it about once a week) 23:05 <+jb7od> "it's a miracle you survived" it sure the fuck is. 23:06 <+jb7od> they didn't shave me once. i saw the mirror when i went to go shit the plug out and i was like AAAAA. looked like a concetration camp vic. 23:07 < booker404> I believe they aren't even allowed to shave you/trim your nails/etc... most aren't anyway... (unless required for a procedure, of course) 23:07 <+jb7od> i fucked up my arterial catheter when i did too 23:07 <+jb7od> they were like "SHIT HE CAN WALK!" 23:07 <+jb7od> lol 23:08 <+jb7od> mtsc did 23:08 < booker404> interesting... 23:08 <+jb7od> lol.. that meant alot to my mom.. 23:08 < booker404> "mom... can you shave me 'down there' too? it's starting to itch" :-D 23:09 <+jb7od> she didn't do it, the hospital did. 23:09 < booker404> yeah, I hear ya... just saying if your mom did have to 23:09 <+jb7od> haha 23:09 <+jb7od> i'll trim my own bushes, ma.. it's okay.. 23:10 < booker404> I remember my grandfather mouthed "my balls itch" (he had a trach and was very drugged) 23:10 <+jb7od> i remember when the orderlys came for the arterial catheter- i was so scared i was gonna bleed out. plasma pheresis - had alot of that 23:10 <+jb7od> and the shitty ass treatment with the dialysis ppl. "look at THIS junkie...." 23:11 < booker404> arg... yeah... 23:11 <+jb7od> THAT is an unnatural procedure 23:11 < booker404> some techs are just... need to die 23:11 <+jb7od> no blanket can stop that cold. 23:11 < booker404> dialysis? or plasma pheresis? 23:11 <+jb7od> plasma pheresis 23:12 <+jb7od> they thought i lost .02% function but they said it was gone (another miracle) when i went back 23:12 < booker404> there were some nurses working on the other patient in the room... when I said "What's that you say? your balls itch?", they (according to my father) chuckled a little bit... I couldn't think of anything to say except "well there's nothing I can do about that"... one of the nurses had to leave the room 23:12 < booker404> wow, that's amazing 23:13 <+jb7od> ya 23:13 <+jb7od> he wants me here for something and i have no idea what it is.. either that or i've been saved by machines and totally crossed him. 23:14 <+jb7od> so now i save machines. 23:15 <+jb7od> maybe i get default ascention like a vampire, maybe i'm forefit. 23:16 <+jb7od> it's heavy shit broe. 23:16 <+jb7od> lol 23:18 <+jb7od> (say WHOA that guy is fuckin crazy!!) 23:19 < booker404> i soo need to get some premium channels 23:19 <+jb7od> for what? 23:19 < booker404> something worth watching... the standard cable is all crap 23:19 <+jb7od> we got reduced to the air networks in the course of all this 23:20 <+jb7od> true 23:20 <+jb7od> but you miss it when you don't have it hahaha 23:20 <+jb7od> all two channels worth anything.. 23:21 < booker404> the cable techs here have a tendency to "forget" to install the filters when you order the basic cable... but still, there ain't nothing on 23:21 <+jb7od> i wish you could do that out of basic. be like i want cartoon network, natgeo, and that's it.. 23:22 < booker404> they don't have those on the standard analogue tier? 23:22 <+jb7od> man i watched so much fuckin matlock in the hospital 23:22 <+jb7od> lol 23:25 <+jb7od> what on the antenna? hell no. 23:25 <+jb7od> hahah 23:26 <+jb7od> my daughter spends more time online because of it- it's not as bad as it would seem for the kiddos. 23:27 < booker404> oh... you got rid of the cable... I get it 23:27 <+jb7od> but anyway thanks for having a dignified conversation on the subject. i'm sorry about what your dad had to go thru- i have no idea what the most ill thing i said was, but i'm imagining it beat ball itch 23:27 < booker404> you have DTV capabilities yet? 23:27 <+jb7od> i did 23:27 <+jb7od> the dish is up... 23:28 < booker404> ahh 23:28 <+jb7od> send me a card 23:28 <+jb7od> lol 23:28 < booker404> I meant dtv over the air... 23:28 <+jb7od> i even went so far as to see what you flash those with.. 23:28 <+jb7od> oh no 23:29 <+jb7od> we just have a dish bellsouth is too lazy to come and get 23:29 <+jb7od> damn 23:29 <+jb7od> now i'm about to shimmy the house- i forgot it was up there 23:29 < booker404> usually the actual equipment is customer-owned, I thought 23:29 <+jb7od> it is 23:29 <+jb7od> the boxes 23:30 <+jb7od> but they said they wanted the dish at one point 23:30 < booker404> the dish too, I thoguht... 23:30 < booker404> ahh 23:30 < booker404> bastages 23:30 <+jb7od> well i could be wrong though, they may have meant some kind of buy back because they never came for it 23:30 <+jb7od> and i can't imagine they wouldn't 23:31 <+jb7od> we asked them to check with us about a subscription in the fall 23:31 <+jb7od> but a dish is a dish 23:31 <+jb7od> lol 23:31 <+jb7od> i just need to get a card 23:31 <+jb7od> or a clone of one 23:32 <+jb7od> HM. 23:32 < booker404> Some of them don't even use cards, I think... I've seen a couple that apparently have internal decoding mechanisms or something... 23:33 <+jb7od> these take card 23:33 < booker404> these ones had a card slot... just didn't use it... 23:33 <+jb7od> at some point they'll just get old. 23:33 < booker404> but yeah, I know what you mean... 23:33 < booker404> I don't do cable/satellite hacking... 23:34 -!- Corydon76-dig [n=tilghman@pdpc/supporter/bronze/Corydon76-home] has quit [SendQ exceeded] 23:34 <+jb7od> me neither clearly 23:34 -!- Corydon76-dig [n=tilghman@c-68-53-162-99.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 23:34 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Corydon76-dig] by ChanServ 23:35 <@coil> surfboard ftw 23:35 <+jb7od> surfboards pwn 23:35 <+jb7od> do you hackem coil? 23:36 <@coil> well i can flash them 23:36 <@brimstone> you can flash anything coil 23:36 <+jb7od> lol 23:36 <@brimstone> man, drag shows are a little weird... 23:36 <+jb7od> HAHAHAHAHA 23:36 <+jb7od> are you confused 23:36 <@coil> well i can flash surfboards with the right firmware 23:36 <+jb7od> "goddamn he's hot" 23:36 <@coil> drag shows rock 23:36 <+jb7od> "no wait..." 23:38 -!- geoffscoffee [n=geoff@c-76-18-176-47.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving."] 23:38 < booker404> yeah... I once came across a pre-op m2f transgendered persons' profile on a social networking site... had to question myself about some things ;) 23:38 <+jb7od> "has she got a pecker or not?" 23:38 <+jb7od> lol 23:39 <@coil> would you fuck a m2f? 23:39 <+jb7od> depends on how much pecker is there. 23:39 <+jb7od> lol 23:39 <@coil> post op 23:40 <@coil> and she looked fine 23:40 <+jb7od> idk my wife would be mad as fuck 23:40 <@coil> trade her in for a new model 23:40 <@dasunt> http://fukung.net/v/9439/205.jpg 23:40 <@coil> i bet she has some miles on her if you know what i mean 23:40 <@Feltenix> you didn't know that? 23:40 <@dasunt> coil: The upgrade fees can be expensive. 23:41 <@Feltenix> yay scroll back 23:41 <@coil> take out a loan 23:41 <+jb7od> lol no more loans 23:43 <+jb7od> my wife would forgive me in a hetero- idk about tg. she'd file on me i bet. 23:44 <@coil> what a closed minded bitch 23:44 <+jb7od> WAHAHAHA 23:46 <@dasunt> Your wife forgives? 23:46 <@dasunt> I want one of those models. 23:46 -!- hobbes615 [n=ryan@c-98-218-79-132.hsd1.dc.comcast.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:48 <+jb7od> well she SAID she would.. this was a long time ago tho. could be a trap... 23:50 <+jb7od> i think "keep it secret" was a stipulation, so idk what i was agreeing to faced with that paradox... 23:58 <@someninja[HC]> http://www.sinfest.net/ --- Log closed Sun Oct 12 00:00:15 2008