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00:18 <@Catonic> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4g_d9vkPEKQ <- 'Nailin' Palin
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04:43 < DigitalIrony> Anyone here know tomcat at all?
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07:20 <@Shadow404> coil__: diaf
07:20 <@someninjamaster> Shadow404: thats a hell of a good morning
07:21 <@Shadow404> yes it is
07:22  * Shadow404 caps up a few rounds at last nights exhausted beer cans and heads to work
07:23 <@Shadow404> you know, nailin sarah palin aint a bad idea
07:27 <@Shadow404> wow, we had 2.09in of rain yesterday
07:28 <@someninjamaster> http://media.fukung.net/images/2677/not_a_tampon.gif
07:32 <@Shadow404> wtf
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07:41 <@Dolemite> y0, be0tches
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08:02  * booker404 feels so left out.... being one of the h0ez
08:03 <@Shadow404> you and me both
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08:15 < jb7[D]> wh0a
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08:16 <@dasunt> What?
08:16 < jb7[D]> avaya voicemail is down in here. lol
08:16 <@dasunt> Cheers!
08:16 < jb7[D]> yup.. That's a sev 1..
08:16 < jb7[D]> hahahaha
08:17 <@Shadow404> tell those hoes im working on it
08:18 < jb7[D]> there was an email from the front desk-
08:18 <@Shadow404> VZB is a bitch
08:18 <@Shadow404> woops, wrong irc
08:18 < jb7[D]> "Voicemaild is down, please be patient"
08:18 < jb7[D]> lol
08:18 < jb7[D]> except is was spelled a little better.
08:19 < booker404> Shadow404: Verizon Broadband?
08:28 <@Shadow404> booker404: vz worldwide service
08:28 < booker404> ahh
08:28 < booker404> sorry, I'm a nosy prick
08:28 <@Shadow404> fucking ticket takers manning the desk
08:28 < booker404> what?
08:29 <@Shadow404> XO actually has techs manning the phones
08:29 < booker404> oh, VZB... not in general ;)
08:29 <@Shadow404> yeah
08:29 <@Shadow404> XO i can give all my technical data and they know how to input the info to the field techs or solve from their desk
08:30 <@Shadow404> where as it takes vzb 30 minutes to get a tech to review what the ticket taker wrote
08:32 <@Shadow404> great, i bad mouth them and now im on endless hold que
08:42 < booker404> They're everywhere!
08:43 < booker404> They have a contract with the NSA.... they turn over phone records, and they get live access to the NSA's global Internet packet sniffers
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09:20 <@shadowmoss> why do I keep getting kicked off of here?
09:21 <@shadowmoss> mutter...
09:21 <@shadowmoss> I have a ubuntu question
09:21 <@shadowmoss> how does one rename a folder in ubuntu?
09:21 <@Dolemite> mv oldname newname
09:21 <@Dolemite> You don't "rename" something, you move it
09:22 <@Dolemite> That *nix, not just Ubuntu
09:22 < booker404> also, directories (not folders) ;)
09:23 <@shadowmoss> oh... ok.  it's actually for a co-worker :)
09:23 <@shadowmoss> thankx
09:23 <@rattle> What do you mean *nix doesn't have deltree?!?!
09:23 < booker404> rm -Rf / ;)
09:25 <+MaxieZ> personally, I prefer: o="oldname";n="newname";mkdir -p $n;cd $o;tar cpf - *|(cd ../$n;tar xpf -);rm -rf $o....but that's just me
09:26 <@Dolemite> that's the Perl programmer's way of doing it
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09:30 <+MaxieZ> Dolemite: Not the gentoo way?
09:30 <+MaxieZ> It's optimized caused I didn't use && ignoring any errors.
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09:31  * oddball opens ANOTHER trouble ticket with PAETEC.
09:33 <@someninja[HC]> sup oddball
09:34 <@Dolemite> MaxieZ : That is so far from OMGOPTIMIZED it's not even +v
09:35 <+MaxieZ> heh
09:35 <@oddball> someninja[HC]: Oh, just wanting to set a PAETEC employee on on fire... oh hey! there's one coming to the office in half an hour.
09:36  * oddball contemplates filling up the jerry can in the back of his car before the guy gets here.
09:38 <@someninja[HC]> make sure to use diesl it burns longer
09:38 <@someninja[HC]> according to a csi for the tbi
09:46 <@oddball> I think they have some equipment that is bouncing just long enough to cause routers further down the line to drop connection and then have to go through re-authentication.
09:47 <@dasunt> Fun question -- can you xfer a Win95 image from a SCSI drive to an IDE drive and expect it to boot?
09:47 <@oddball> Which means we see outages of a few minutes at a time.
09:49 <@oddball> Which might not be a big deal to some companies, but our satalite offices rely on connecting to us to access the database that runs just about everything.
09:50 <@shadowmoss> dasunt: can you use ghost explore to put the IDE drivers into the image?
09:54 <@dasunt> shadowmoss: I think so, I'm just using linux, so I can mount the windows partition after imaging it and add the ide drivers...
09:54 <@dasunt> Assuming they aren't there already, this machine does have two IDE CDROM drivers.
09:54 <@dasunt> And a rocking ~96M of EDO memory.  :p
09:57 <@shadowmoss> woot!  You should be good to go then :)
09:58 <@Dolemite>  /away
09:58 <@Dolemite> y
09:58 <@Dolemite> Nothing beats a cancelled meeting
09:58 < booker404> awesome!
09:59 <@Dolemite> How 'bout we just cancel the rest of my day?  I'm ready for my vacation to start.
10:01 <@dasunt> What's a "vacation"?
10:03 <@Dolemite> Well, for me it's a weeklong visit to the House of Mouse.  Your mileage may vary.
10:06 <@nachoguy> you have rats?
10:06 <@Dolemite> No, but I have a 2 year old.  Is that close enough?
10:07 <@nachoguy> eats things it shouldn't, leaves messes, Sticky traps will cause it to squeal.  Yep
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10:10 <@nachoguy> after many discussions with the lass, we're not heading to The (TM) Happiest (TM) Place (TM) on (R) Earth (TM) until the kids we don't have yet are old enough to appreciate it, like 10
10:11 <@nachoguy> by that point, park entrance will be $1000, and if you want to ride any rides, you'll have to by that line cutter pass for $300
10:11 <@Shadow404> or go off-season
10:12 <@nachoguy> they change ticket prices off season?
10:12 <@Shadow404> not sure, but the lines are shorter
10:17 <@Dementia> Shadow404: saw your mention of 'nailin sarah palin' earlier - have you heard the song by that name yet?
10:17 <@Dementia> http://thefump.com/fump.php?id=1092
10:18 <@Dolemite> nachoguy : Key phrase for the week is "Free Before 3"
10:19 <@nachoguy> Dolemite, all.
10:20 <@dasunt> Hmmm, RAID5 isn't that bad compared to RAID0 for write performance.
10:20 <@dasunt> Software raid, that is, on this dell.
10:23 <@Shadow404> Dementia: yeah, pretty funny
10:24 <@Shadow404> i'd still do her
10:24 <@Shadow404> even if she is a gilf, shes a hot gilf
10:25 <@rhia> nachoguy: just a thought, but from experience, Dictator Mouse's realm seems most enjoyed by the 6-9 group
10:25 <@Corydon76-dig> Shadow404: You're a gilf...
10:25 <@rhia> over 10 is for (number)Flags over (State)
10:26 <@rhia> Shadow404: so, you're into B&D? the only way i could see someone nailing Palin is if they gagged her first so they wouldn't have to listen to her speak
10:26 <@Shadow404> giggity
10:26 <@rhia> you betcha
10:28 <@rhia> but the far right ultra conservatives apparently do have some heavy sexual kinks
10:29 <@nachoguy> toe tapping?
10:31 <@Corydon76-dig> nachoguy: Humiliation
10:31 <@Corydon76-dig> Why else would he be dragging out the court fight?
10:32 <@Corydon76-dig> He didn't feel enough humiliation the first time, so he's dredging it back up for the ultimate thrill
10:33 <@Corydon76-dig> Errr, not that I know anything about humiliation tactics or anything...
10:37 <@nachoguy> Corydon, why to I get the feeling that you tie up republicans in your basement, put on an obama mask and flog them with a whip that spouts Bill clinton Quotes with each lash?
10:38 <@Dolemite> Dementia : http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/generic/ac0b/?cpg=cj&cpg=cj
10:39 <@nachoguy> maybe you have a voting machine in the corner where you make them vote democratic ALL - NIGHT - LONG
10:39 <@nachoguy> aaand, back to my coffee thing
10:41 <@Corydon76-dig> nachoguy: because whipping isn't humiliation
10:42 <@Corydon76-dig> Or rather, whipping alone isn't humiliation
10:42 <@nachoguy> that's why the whip spouts Bill Clinton quotes
10:42 <@rhia> make them wear a pink pro-choice shirt and Obama hat to a GOP rally
10:43 <@nachoguy> *Ker-rack* "I did not have sexual relations with that woman"
10:43 <@rhia> get humiliation plus a bonus whipping that you, yourself, didn't have to administer
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10:43 <@Corydon76-dig> nachoguy: You're starting to make humiliation look vanilla
10:43 <@Dolemite> *Ker-rack* "That depends on what your definition of the word 'is' is."
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10:44 <@Corydon76-dig> I don't know what that is; it's just bizarre
10:44 <@Dolemite> Corydon76-dig : Welcome to our world when reading what you think is not bizarre.
10:45 <@nachoguy> *Ker-rack* "I may not have been the greatest president, but I've had the most fun eight years."
10:45 <@Corydon76-dig> Dolemite: don't make me break out the pancake mix.
10:46 <@Dementia> Dolemite: sweet!
10:46 <@Corydon76-dig> You can ask SkyDog what that's about
10:46 <@dc0de> w00t!  final interview next week!
10:46 < jb7[D]> hi dc0de.
10:46 <@Dolemite> Dementia : If you get that plus anything else to make the order $30, there's a $10 coupon code of 'PUZZLER'
10:46 <@dc0de> sup jb7[D]
10:46 < jb7[D]> psh workin workin
10:46 < jb7[D]> lol
10:46 <@nachoguy> Congrats dc0de
10:47 <@dc0de> I can hardly contain myself.. this will be the job I'm lookin' for...
10:47 <@Dolemite> dc0de : Have we learned our lesson about startups?
10:47 <@dc0de> no more sales work.. back into corporate.
10:47 <@dc0de> Dolemite: yes, Yes we have...
10:47 <@dc0de> Dolemite: did you read my post on dc0de.com?
10:47 <@Dolemite> I read your memestream rant about startups
10:48 <@dc0de> http://dc0de.com/?p=40
10:48 <@dc0de> yeah, “Dysfunction - The only consistant feature of all of your dissatisfying relationships is you”.
10:48 <@Dolemite> yeah, that's what you linked to memestreams
10:48 <@dc0de> I failed.
10:48 <@dc0de> this is so not a startup... but i don't want to get too excited...
10:48 <@dc0de> and I'm keeping my "irons in the fire"
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10:49 <@dc0de> this job hunting thing is way more stressful than I remember...
10:49 <@Dolemite> it's the economy...
10:49 <@Dementia> I hear that. I'm out looking too, but at least I have a current gig still.
10:50 <@dc0de> add the failing economy, the fall season, and impending presidential elections, and it's a nightmare.
10:50 <@nachoguy> Irons in the fire, eh?  Corydon has a nice senator locked up in his basement.  Think you can brand "Hillary 2012" on his ass?
10:50 <@dc0de> nachoguy: heh... some are that hot...
10:54 < jb7[D]> vundo vs. combofix
10:54 <@dc0de> jb7[D]: huh?
10:55 <@rhia> dc0de: yeah, Drag0n's been looking for a new job, too ... had one that was going to extend an offer earlier this week, company put a hiring freeze on an hr later=/
11:00 <@dc0de> rhia: I've seen 4 jobs in the past two weeks dry up from fears about the economy.
11:00 <@shadowmoss> yeah, I'm actually just sitting at my desk actively no looking for trouble at work now
11:01 <@shadowmoss> not that I usually 'look' for trouble, but it usually finds me
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11:01 <@shadowmoss> I'm in hiding now, I want to keep this job for a bit loner
11:01 <@shadowmoss> longer
11:01 <@dc0de> shadowmoss: you, staying out of trouble? I don't believe it... Pics or bs.
11:01 <@rhia> yep ... same here.... "looks good! .... oops, nevermind, no job anymore right now"
11:02 <@shadowmoss> dc0de: well, I _am_ on here, so I'm not trying all that hard to stay out of trouble
11:02 <@dc0de> rhia: well, three of them were out of state, and would require moving, but they did actually "dry up".
11:02 < coil__> pics
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11:03 <@dc0de> and since I filed for unemployment, I can tell you that the lines at the DOL offices are long... but I have nothing to judge them by, since I've never filed before in my life.
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11:03 <@shadowmoss> in TN you can do all that on line now
11:03 <@rhia> yeah, been checking quite a few places, from WA to CO to GA as well as TX
11:03 <@shadowmoss> which is a huge improvement over actually showing up at the office
11:04 <@rhia> dc0de: sad thing is how many unemployed are now off the lists, and still can't find a job
11:05 <@nachoguy> dc0de, I was trying to see if you wanted to move up here.  you weren't around when I asked, and I forgot until now.
11:07 <@coil_> hi i need a job
11:07 <@nachoguy> what can you do?
11:07 <@coil_> not much, dont hire me
11:08 <@nachoguy> done and done
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11:19 <@dc0de> nachoguy: yes, I would move for the right position.
11:26 <@nachoguy> well, if the one you're on the hook for doesn't pan out let me know, but it sounds like you've got something good lined up down there.
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11:54 < nated0g_wrk> how are thing east of the tn river?
11:54 < nated0g_wrk> things
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12:02 <@coil_> west side represent
12:10 <@Neoteric> okay
12:10 <@Neoteric> who's got a fancy naming scheme for thier hosts?
12:11 <@Dolemite> dept-bldg-os-function-incrementer
12:11 <+MaxieZ> I used star wars "system" once
12:11 < nated0g_wrk> coil_, you west of tn river?
12:12 <@Dolemite> its-hcvm01 : ITS = dept, HC = Hill Center, VM = Virtual Server; 01 = incrementer
12:12 <@Neoteric> interesting
12:12 <@Dolemite> Of course, that example is without an OS since it's a container, basically
12:12 <@Dolemite> its-hcwnap50 would be a Windows application server
12:13 < nated0g_wrk> we just have apollo, bravo, charlie
12:13 <@Dolemite> anywho, lunch time
12:13 < nated0g_wrk> have a good one
12:13 <+MaxieZ> Well we prepend a name and then let our customers choose
12:13 <+MaxieZ> IE: hustler-sql-1
12:18 <@Neoteric> hahahahahaa
12:18 <@dc0de> Neoteric: we used to use the cost center of the company that owned the system...
12:19 <@dc0de> like <cost center>-<system number>-<two letter id>
12:19 <@dc0de> 2851-15-DB
12:19 <@dc0de> but then, windows came along and required the letters to be first...
12:20 <@dc0de> so we switched it to db-2851-15
12:20 <@coil_> nated0g_wrk: im west of the mississippi river
12:20 < nated0g_wrk> where at?
12:20 < nated0g_wrk> im in memphis area
12:21 <@coil_> far west
12:21 < nated0g_wrk> like west coast far?
12:21 <@coil_> no...just americas asshole far
12:22 <@dc0de> Neoteric: I found that making the system names reference the business units allowed for greater identification of the system roles... such as the system owner, users, and custodians.
12:24 <@Neoteric> "things that grow in the sun" seems like a rough scheme
12:25 <@Neoteric> dc0de: that's fine. but to me functional names should be CNAMES because every box gets to have a personality and a real name.
12:26 <@Evilpig> ~weather 42071
12:26 <+MxZBot> It's Clear in Jason's House, Benton, Kentucky. It's 72.0 F (60 M, 22 C, 295 K).  Wind to the ENE at 3.0Mph/4.8Kph.
12:27 <@Evilpig> that settles it.  windows open a/c off for the weekend while i'm gone
12:27 <@rattle> Machines should not be allowed to develop personalities.
12:27 <@rattle> They are slaves.  Treat them as slaves.
12:27 <@rattle> Give them a function and a number.
12:28 <@rattle> ditchdigger5
12:28 <+MaxieZ> Jason's House?
12:28 <+MaxieZ> Is that a city?
12:28 <@rattle> whore4
12:28 <@Evilpig> that's in benton.  and I dunno what the deal with that is.  it's your bot
12:28 <@Evilpig> gotta run.  plan to catch at 4.  and 2 hours of driving ahead of me
12:28 < nated0g_wrk> ~weather 38053
12:28 <+MxZBot> It's Clear in East Navy Road, Millington, Tennessee. It's 71.9 F (60 M, 22 C, 295 K).  Wind to the NNW at 1.0Mph/1.6Kph.
12:28 <@Neoteric> rattle: no.
12:29 <@Neoteric> things have personalities and should be treated w/ respect
12:29 < nated0g_wrk> hm
12:29 <@Neoteric> a pimp don't call her best bitch a tramp when she brings him the bacon.
12:29 <@Neoteric> s/her/his/
12:29 <+MaxieZ> http://www.wunderground.com/US/KY/Benton.html
12:29 <+MaxieZ> That's Jason's House
12:30 <+MaxieZ> Neoteric: We used to just name each server after a number
12:30 <@dc0de> MaxieZ: like Pi?
12:30 <+MaxieZ> but the problem with that was that a server could have an issue and what it was wasn't readily obvious
12:30 <@rattle> He's use something more affectionate like "my number one bitch!"
12:30 <@Neoteric> you all have no soul
12:30 <+MaxieZ> dc0de: A Natural number ;)
12:31 <+MaxieZ> Neoteric: Then name it after Motown acts :)
12:31 <@dc0de> MaxieZ: I was wondering how you would print the name of the server that is known as the square root of 2...
12:31 <+MaxieZ> 2^(1/2) duh
12:32 <@dc0de> would you have to use unicode?
12:32 <@rattle> As an example, I use Dr. Seuss.
12:32 <@rattle> Thing1 and Thing2.
12:32 <@rattle> They were loyal servants to the children.
12:33 <@dc0de> Neoteric: name them after your boyfriends...
12:33 <@dc0de> I mean girlfriends.
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12:33 <@Shadow404> woohoo, my station made it to the top 3 for wunderground
12:33 <@dc0de> yeah, girlfriends... that's what I mean.
12:33 <@Shadow404> 30127
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12:33 <@rhia> http://notalwaysright.com/the-danger-with-rhetorical-questions/1279
12:33 <@Neoteric> dc0de: what gfs?
12:34 <@Neoteric> all my gf's hate me
12:34 <@Neoteric> so they basically don't exist
12:38 <@rhia> existentialistic relationships
12:39 <+MaxieZ> I find imaginary girlfriends are much more interested in having sex with me
12:40 <@Neoteric> rhia: well I've been playing w/ schemes like "things that are transperent" and "last names of whale bundlers"
12:40 <@coil_> hehe
12:40 <@Shadow404> coil_: you know all to well about that, dont you
12:40 <@Shadow404> so go diaf
12:40 <@Neoteric> "convicted politicians" seems too mean
12:40 <@coil_> ?
12:40 <@coil_> about what
12:40 <@Shadow404> coil_: daif
12:40 <@coil_> no thx
12:40 <@coil_> not yet
12:40 <@Shadow404> now!
12:40 <@coil_> k
12:41 <@Shadow404> thx
12:42 <+MaxieZ> How about failed grocery items...IE crystal pepsi
12:42 <@Shadow404> coca cola black
12:42 <+MaxieZ> yeah
12:42 <+MaxieZ> or new coke
12:42 <@coil_> crystal pepsi rocked
12:43 <@Neoteric> are there really only 32 root name servers?
12:43 <@coil_> only?
12:43 <@Shadow404> yep
12:43 <+MaxieZ> We force our internal network servers be named after cities (predates my hire)
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12:43 <@Neoteric> MaxieZ: failed grocery store items is funny
12:44 <+MaxieZ> Um...I thought there were only 13
12:44 <+MaxieZ> a-m
12:44 <@Neoteric> oh A-M
12:44 <+MaxieZ> Well 13 hosts anyways
12:44 <@Neoteric> right
12:44 <+MaxieZ> That doesn't mean it's not load balanced all to hell etc.
12:44 <@coil_> ~google for failed grocery store items
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12:44 <+MxZBot> Google says failed grocery store items is at http://www.cambrianhouse.com/idea/idea-promoter/ideas-id/Xq1LrpG/ or http://www.encyclopedia.chicagohistory.org/pages/554.html or http://www.firstmonday.org/issues/issue7_9/kempiak/
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12:44 <@coil_> link?
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12:46 <+MaxieZ> http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m3289/is_n5_v163/ai_15433379
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12:46 <@Shadow404> dude, enough with the nick changes
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12:49 <@Shadow404> bleh
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12:51 < nated0g_wrk> this week needs to hurry up and get over with
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12:52 <@shadowmoss> or at least be tomorrow already
12:52 <@Shadow404> RyanHouse1: you ever get caught for selling that kiddy pron?
12:52 < nated0g_wrk> yeah that too. im leaving at 2 tomorrow
12:53 <@Shadow404> RyanHouse1: joel told me to say it
12:53 < RyanHouse1> WTF Shadow404; that's is fucked
12:53 <@Shadow404> lawl
12:53 <@Shadow404> we kid we kid
12:54 < nated0g_wrk> not really
12:54 <@Shadow404> we miss ya dude
12:55 <+MaxieZ> kid being the operative word if you know what we mean ;)
12:55 <@Shadow404> its the adult baby mags
12:56 < RyanHouse1> sure sure
12:56 <@Shadow404> you know, that ones dennisc reads
12:56 < RyanHouse1> It isn't bad, but there is something to be said for the old familiar
12:56  * RyanHouse1 worries for DennisC's mental healh
12:56 < RyanHouse1> health even
12:56 <@Shadow404> heh, we've always been concerned
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13:00 <@Shadow404> so ffs, customer$ calls in and complains that at 10amish mdt, his monitoring program lost 2 icmp packets out of a 5000 ping test
13:00 <@Shadow404> gaaaaahhh
13:00 <@Shadow404> stfu and go away
13:01 <@RyanHouse1> hey.......that is serious error incrementing buddy
13:01 <@RyanHouse1> brb
13:01 < booker404> wtf?omg...
13:01 <@rhia> Shadow404: it's the 10am ping tax to help cover the  cost of the bailout
13:01 <@Shadow404> i mean,w tf
13:02 <@Shadow404> icmp is the lowest priority on a router, of course some icmp packets will be ignored, uh, duh
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13:02 <@RyanHouse1> be on iPhone momentarily......out
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13:03 <@coil_> Shadow404: pign
13:03 <@Shadow404> coil_: diaf
13:03 <@coil_> Shadow404: my minicity?
13:04 <@Shadow404> uh? what abotu it?
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13:04 <@coil_> fed
13:04 <@Shadow404> oh shit, we lost #1
13:04 <@coil_> that sux
13:04 < grendelaxxe> you lost omre than that shadow
13:04 <@coil_> !minicity
13:04 <@brimstone> Population: 39115 Revenues: 9115600 Unemployment: 0% Transports: 100% Criminality: 0% Pollution: 0% 18024 behind Black-Hall
13:04 <@coil_> blackhall
13:04 <@coil_> those bastads
13:04 <@coil_> lets ddos them
13:05 <@coil_> internap
13:05 <@Shadow404> coil_: uh, how about no
13:06 <@oddball> hmmm... Naienko now has a third number from Somalia calling her at random times of the day.
13:06 <@Shadow404> its the feds i say
13:06 <@Dolemite> They are trying to get in touch with her about the $40,000,000 that she is inheriting from her long lost somali warlord third cousin 14 times removed.
13:06 <@Shadow404> but they need her bank account and routing number
13:07 <@coil_> ~google for sarah palin blow up doll
13:07 <+MxZBot> Google says sarah palin blow up doll is at http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122143727571134335.html?mod=special_page_campaign2008_mostpop or http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s2i41194 or http://www.viperalley.com/forum/anything-goes/68730-until-they-come-up.html
13:08 <@Shadow404> grendelaxxe: heh, lets ddos coil_
13:08 <@coil_> A life size Sarah Palin blow up doll is being manufactured at the 'Fuk Mi' adult toy factory in Beijing, China. The latex doll has all of Ms Palin's features faithfully recreated including her trademark glasses, hair-bun and school ma'am clothing.
13:08 <@Corydon76-dig> oddball: it's very easy to get your bank to issue you an account and routing number that only goes one way
13:09 <@coil_> oddball: it's a scam
13:09 <@oddball> I'm guessing they're trying to reach a kid on a student visa and a phone that is one number off.
13:10 <@coil_> i've heard of that shit a year ago
13:10 <@oddball> Just wish I could think of a way to tell them they have the wrong number without accepting an international call.
13:11 <@coil_> oh they keep calling
13:11 <@oddball> yep
13:11 <@Corydon76-dig> oddball: they're calling collect?
13:12 <@oddball> no, but the couple times she's actually answered, there was no noise on the other side.
13:12 <@oddball> I know you have to opt-in to making international calls with a cell phone, not sure if you do to recieve.
13:13 <@Dagmar> YTou can get calls from anywhere  They don't cost you anything but normal talk time
13:14 <@oddball> ok, then they're just idiots that haven't figured out that they have the wrong number yet.
13:14 <@coil_> tarp
13:15 <@oddball> Ah well... at least she's no longer getting calls from people wanting a local car wash company.  A lot of those folks were assholes.
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13:24 <@Dagmar> That's an easy one to solve.
13:24 <@Dagmar> You just make all their customers flaming mad and then tell them to come down to the wash if they don't like it
13:28 <@someninja[HC]> or come up with bogus specials
13:28 <@Shadow404> tits and a wash, $6.69
13:29 <@someninja[HC]> there you go
13:29 <@Shadow404> lapdance while you wait
13:29 <@someninja[HC]> a blow dry
13:29 <@Shadow404> lawl
13:29 <@someninja[HC]> and a "blow dry"
13:29 < GodFix[HC]> not in Davidson County, right?
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13:31 < GodFix[HC]> http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/researchers_working_ledbased_alternative_wifi
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13:33 < booker404> yeah, until you put your PDA into your pocket...
13:33 < cwire> or have epilepsy
13:33 < GodFix[HC]> http://www.maximumpc.com/files/u46168/wifi123.jpg
13:34 < booker404> ha!
13:34 <@Shadow404> yeah, i go that to work with the tmobile dash
13:34 < booker404> How would it affect epileptics if the light is beyond visible
13:34 <@Shadow404> pretty rocking, but its only 56k max with full cell signal
13:35 < booker404> ahh, that acts as an 802.11 access point?
13:35 < booker404> Shadow404: on t-mobile, in Atlanta? that seems odd...
13:35 < cwire> well i'm guessing it's not beyond visible as it says that it can act as a low-power source of light
13:36 < booker404> oh, my bad... was thinking IR, where obviously it's not
13:36 < cwire> ah, yeah
13:36 < booker404> I think it'd be such a fast "blinking" you wouldn't notice...
13:36 <@Shadow404> why is it not ir?
13:36 < cwire> likely
13:36 <@Shadow404> i mean, you have to leave the light on for the network
13:36 <@Shadow404> thats retarded
13:36 <@Shadow404> im not gonna leave the light on in mys erver room just to keep my machines connected
13:37 <@Shadow404> that has to be an editorial mistake
13:37 <@Shadow404> booker404: what part is odd?
13:37 <@coil_> ?
13:37 < booker404> heh, if you use wireless for your servers....
13:37 <@Shadow404> the speed?
13:37 < cwire> perhaps, but the diagram shows it in an office setting, so maybe they're just thinking for office use?
13:37 < booker404> Shadow404: yeah... would've expected more than that
13:37 <@Shadow404> not for a gprs signal
13:37 < booker404> cwire: yeah, my thoughts exactly
13:38 <@Shadow404> now, when tmobile goes to 3g, thats another story
13:38 < booker404> Shadow404: ahh, yeah...
13:38 <@Shadow404> but your phone as a wifi ap, it sucks your battery like crazy
13:38 < booker404> I bet
13:39 <@Shadow404> and uses a bit of internal memory
13:39 <@coil_> pics
13:39 <@Shadow404> coil_: busy, at work babysitting shit and doing checklist mumbo jumbo
13:39 < booker404> I can see that LED WIFI for desktop and stationary stuff... but pocketable stuff (PDA's/smartphones) will still need a radio interface of some sort, I would think (even if it's just as a receiver, as an indicator)
13:40 <@Shadow404> booker404: agreed
13:40 < cwire> agreed
13:40 <@Shadow404> whihc defeats the purpose
13:40 <@Shadow404> its a cool idea, just not reliable for most stuff
13:40 <@Dagmar> I'll make this simple.
13:40 <@Dagmar> It's fucking snake oil salesmen.
13:40 <@Dagmar> There's _already_ IrDA.
13:40 <@Shadow404> office setting, it could be a great security option alternative to wifi
13:41 < booker404> well, they don't show smartphones... just PDAs...
13:41 <@Shadow404> yeah, irda already does that, why do we need to reinvent whats already there
13:41 <@Shadow404> and pda's are already geared to wifi
13:41 <@Shadow404> i dont see them going back to led/ir
13:41 <@Dagmar> Shadow404: Because one of the tell-tales of a snake oil salesman is that they try to make what they're selling look like something completely new
13:42 <@Dagmar> Another tell-tale is that they repeatedly invoke the names of other technology that's well established.
13:42 <@Shadow404> of course
13:42 < booker404> I think they're looking at integrating wifi with general office lighting... I mean, one would potentially be willing to replace a number of their lights to implement this... but not /add/ otherwise useless devices...
13:42 <@Dagmar> So, someone talking about "LED WiFi" is almost certainly a snake oil salesman
13:42 <@Shadow404> grendelaxxe: ffs, s/c
13:42 <@Dagmar> booker404: It will not work
13:42  * Shadow404 bangs head to desk
13:43  * coil_ duct tapes Shadow404 head to desk
13:44 <@Dagmar> If you walla reflected as much wifi signal as they do visible light, your WiFi would stop working.
13:44 < booker404> There's really no way it will be as usable as they say (IE: extremely high bandwidth and widely deployed), and it would probably be very cost-prohibitive... but from a technological POV it's certainly interesting to me...
13:44 <@Dagmar> They're _snake oil salesmen_
13:45 <@Dagmar> Of COURSE what they're saying *sounds* interesting, otherwise they'd be really shitty snake oil salesmen
13:45 <@Shadow404> it would be fun to play with if it was cheap for certain applications, but it has to many downsides
13:45 <@Shadow404> like, its easy to ddos physically
13:45 < booker404> haha
13:45 <@Shadow404> cant really be used in direct light
13:46 <@Shadow404> and so on
13:46 <@Shadow404> rf is way more reliable with built in crc checks
13:47 <@Shadow404> booker404: im not kidding, a 10year old with simple electronic soldering skill's could ddos an ir/data network
13:47 <@Shadow404> wire, battery and a slew of ir/leds
13:47 <@Shadow404> er, and a resistor
13:47 < booker404> Shadow404: Yeah, I know! It's just kind-of an odd thought...
13:51 <@Dagmar> You don't have to put effort into it
13:51 <@Dagmar> Just being in a place where people are is bad for light-based communications.
13:52 <@Shadow404> Catonic: what was the voltage/amp requirements?
13:53 <@Catonic> 31.5kv @ 1.6A
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13:55 <@Shadow404> k
13:55 <@polerin> hmm, anyone have a windows app for discovering what the keycode for a specific key that is breing pressed is?
13:55 <@Dolemite> 50kW for what!?
13:56 <@polerin> these are some of the extra keys on a keyboard, trying to remap
13:56 <@Shadow404> yeah, i was like er, when i looked at it again
13:56 <@Shadow404> Catonic: the ham base, not the time machine
13:57 <@Catonic> 30A @ 13.4V
13:57 <@Shadow404> much better
13:57 <@Catonic> Dolemite: a Class A contour at 700MHz
13:58 <@Dolemite> Yeah, nothing for your house
13:59 <@Catonic> not unless you enjoy watching your power meter break the speed of sound
13:59 <@Dolemite> Because assuming you could find a theoretical 1.0 powerFactor power supply, the electric bill would be around $2500 per month.
14:02 <@Shadow404> hmm, i wonder if a spare computer psu could supply 30amps
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14:02 <@Shadow404> er, better to use an actual power converter anyway
14:04 <@critch> Shadow404: 30*13.4 == 402 watts, and that assumes the psu can provide power all on just the 12v rail. BTW, computer PSU's try to stay more close to 12 itself than the 13.4v
14:04 <@Shadow404> yeah, thats why i cancelled on the psu idea
14:04 <@Shadow404> cause when i measured a psu last time, it was like 12.04
14:05 <@critch> I used to have a nice 300w psu I used to test my slot cars with. They tended to hit the limiter of the PSU when I tried to pull about 4 amps.
14:05 <@Shadow404> yep
14:07 <@shadowmoss> Damn, isn't it 4 yet?
14:07 <@Shadow404> Catonic: what do you recommended for a power supply to run that base?
14:07 <@Shadow404> shadowmoss: only an hour till 4 here
14:07  * shadowmoss whaps Shadow404 
14:07 <@shadowmoss> I meant in real time
14:08 <@shadowmoss> I leave a week from Saturday at 1:40pm for Germany
14:08 <@Shadow404> hey, its always 5o'clock somewhere
14:08 <@shadowmoss> I need it to be 4 o'clock HERE
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14:09 <@critch> except when it is 4:35
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14:13 <@Catonic> Shadow404: I use an Astron RS-20M
14:13 <@Shadow404> ok
14:15 <@Catonic> but a real power supply can supply 27A @ 13.8V, so it's a non-issue
14:15 < nated0g_wrk> can it be 5 already ?
14:16 < GodFix[HC]> #hackerconsortium wrech: I think he's LAN Manager
14:16 < GodFix[HC]> #hackerconsortium wrench[HC]: I think he's LAN Manager
14:16 <@RyanHouse> nated0g_work: heh.......you aren't that lucky
14:16 <@Catonic> GodFix[HC]: has he stolen your hashes?
14:17 < wrench[HC]> GodFix[HC]: gotcha thanks.
14:25 <@Catonic> so
14:26 <@Catonic> I have this CD player I got somewhere that's in good shape, though it was made in 1991
14:26 <@Catonic> it's a sony single disk with a tray, very familiar looking model
14:26 <@Catonic> pulled out a CD and started playing with it last night
14:26 <@Catonic> turns out it can do the backwards tracking just like you hear at the end of the NIN cover of "Get Down Make Love"
14:27 < nated0g_wrk> well if it can be 4 for Shadow404 then i can have it be 5
14:27 < nated0g_wrk> or he can wish it to be 6 and it will be 5 here
14:27 <@Shadow404> lawl
14:27 < nated0g_wrk> hey Shadow404 what kind of ham radio do you have?
14:28 <@Catonic> It's a Porker model 16 with the baconator attachment
14:30 < nated0g_wrk> mmm bacon
14:31 <@Catonic> nated0g_wrk: you into radio?
14:31 < nated0g_wrk> just got my license saturday
14:31 <@Catonic> oh snap
14:32 < nated0g_wrk> general
14:32 <@Catonic> congrats
14:32 < nated0g_wrk> thanks
14:32 <@Catonic> KJ4???
14:32 < nated0g_wrk> gzb
14:32 <@Catonic> g's already... damn
14:32 <@Catonic> that makes me an old man in radio
14:33 <@oddball> Well, I just let everyone in the office know that we now have wireless.
14:33  * oddball waits for all hell to break loose.
14:33 <@ShadowHntr> lol
14:34 <@Catonic> ShadowHntr: you shut up, runty :-p
14:36 <@rattle> Ya know, I'm really going to miss western civilization...
14:36 <@Catonic> rattle: going eastern again?
14:36 <@Neoteric> rattle: whatever. I'm moving to china
14:36 <@rattle> Our Rock N' Roll, cheese, and big cars.
14:37 <@rattle> Catonic: No, just watching the news..
14:44 <@shadowmoss> rattle: is it the EOFWAWKI?
14:44 <@shadowmoss> err, EOTWAWKI
14:45 <@ShadowHntr> Catonic: bugger off :P
14:47 <@Catonic> Gee, looks like everyone here knows how to use QRZ.
14:52 < nated0g_wrk> what you mean ?
14:52 < ware> meat rod.
14:52 < nated0g_wrk> it was tuesday before fcc update my license
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14:54 <@critch> holy shit, looks like the cooks on wall street still haven't decided to hit bottom today.
14:54 <@critch> Dow is down 655
14:55 < grendelaxxe> only 11 more to go
14:55 <@rattle> Below 9k..  Fucking crazy.
14:55 <@critch> hmm, wtf, in 5mins it went up by over 100 points.
14:55 <@critch> Yeah, currently listing at 8717
15:00 < ware> what happens when it gets to 0?
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15:00 <@scort> i am awesome because i got four cats to purr at once
15:00 <@critch> ware: then it means some really big and important companies are worth nothing at all.
15:02 < ware> so eventually the people will decide what theyre worth and it will stabilize
15:04 <@critch> well, yes and no. They will decide how much they are willing to spend on them. You also have to remember that the stock market is a really big MMOG. Some people sell to get money out of the market, some people sell because they think the market is going to go down. Some people have money they want to buy stuff with and others think the market is just going to go up. So trying to figure it all out is way hard problems.
15:09 <@scort> Dagmar: have you ever been able to have four pussies at once?
15:10 < jb7[D]> HAHAHA
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15:24 <@Dolemite> Man, I keep thinking that if Sec. Paulson would just shut the fuck up for a day that the markets might rebound
15:25 <@RyanHouse> heh....something other then fear and loathing would be a nice change
15:25 < grendelaxxe> I think if the government stayed out of it then it would function the way its supposed to and we'd be fine over all
15:26 <@RyanHouse> yeah wtf "shit is going to be bad!" "SELL SELL SELL SELL SELL"
15:28 <@Neoteric> http://www.boingboing.net/2008/10/08/adding-the-benny-hil.html
15:29 <@nachoguy> fear and loathing?  This market is bat country!
15:29 <@SkyDog_> Neoteric: Got your shit together for PN?
15:29 <@Dolemite> T-31 minutes to vacation
15:31 <@Neoteric> skydog: nearly
15:32 <@Dagmar> grendelaxxe: Your idea of "the way it's supposed to" and reality's idea of "the way its supposed to" differ greatly
15:35 < grendelaxxe> not really. its supposed to go up and down and occationally clear out the bad business models and bad ideas and useless or outdated goods and services
15:36 <@Dagmar> The yes, really.
15:36 <@Dagmar> These buisnesses got to where they are because that's not the model they use
15:37 <@Dagmar> The model they use is that "as long as no one calls foul on what we claim our assets and returns are, everything's great." and "Spending, without limits, for upper management"
15:38 <@nachoguy> the last part is the most important
15:38 < grendelaxxe> and then eventually their bad practices come back to haunt them. it always does
15:39 <@nachoguy> the upper mgmt people are already sitting pretty.  I mean sure they might have to sell one of their european condos or one of the  bentleys, but they're ok.
15:40 < grendelaxxe> they are the modern day aristocracy
15:40 <@Dagmar> Their bad practices DON'T come back to haunt them
15:40 <@Dagmar> That's the problem.
15:41 <@Dagmar> The CEO of Lehman Brothers has taken home FOUR HUNDRED AND EIGHTY MILLION DOLLARS since 2001.
15:41 <@nachoguy> well, they didn't, until Dagmar showed up on their doorstop with a crossbow
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15:41 <@Dagmar> He took home over TWENTY MILLION DOLLARS this year alone
15:41 <@Dagmar> Two days after AIG asked for jillions of munnies from the Fed, all their upper management went on a week long trip to a tropical island spa
15:42 <@Dagmar> What part of this is "
15:42 <@Dagmar> What part of this is "haunting" ANYONE?
15:42 <@Dagmar> nachoguy: Someone punched the CEO of Lehamn Brother's lights out at a gym last week.
15:42 <@Dagmar> There needs to be more of that
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15:43 < grendelaxxe> simple, the economy with either right itself to where the money they took becomes negligible and no one cares or it will get worse and chaos will ensue and the "people" will again tip the scales
15:44 < grendelaxxe> historically it always happens that way
15:44 < grendelaxxe> more often the latter tho than the former
15:44 <@Shadow404> grendelaxxe: what are you working on?
15:44 <@Shadow404> hehe, always wanted to say that...
15:45 < grendelaxxe> hehe, making sure you do your work. :P
15:45 <@Shadow404> lawl
15:45 <@Shadow404> heh, set that reminder for just about the time ill be grabbing the commuter bus home
15:45 < grendelaxxe> slacker
15:51 <@Dagmar> "the 'people' will tip the scales" <-- bullshit
15:52 <@timoguin> Is the A+ cert actually worth getting?
15:52 <@Dagmar> ONly if you have no other certs
15:52 <@timoguin> and Network+
15:52 <@timoguin> yea I have none.
15:52 <@Shadow404> timoguin: i would consider it the first building block
15:52 <@Shadow404> get both of those
15:52 <@Shadow404> can basically get any helpdesk job with it
15:52 <@timoguin> I was looking at the A+ books at books-a-million yesterday.
15:52 <@Shadow404> aka, my first tech crap job
15:53 <@timoguin> Yea that sounds like shit.
15:54 < grendelaxxe> every revolution throughout world history was the result a few holding all the money and power and the people finally getting tired of it and reforming the system.
15:55 < grendelaxxe> just like almost all wars have been the result of one side wanting what another had. with the only exceptions being the few religious or race based wars
15:55 <@Shadow404> the french revolution is a good example i guess?
15:56 < grendelaxxe> true
15:57 <@Dagmar> grendelaxxe: So, during the 1930s when exactly did we have a revolution?
15:58 < grendelaxxe> great depression right
15:58 < grendelaxxe> ?
15:59 <@Dagmar> Yeah.
16:00 <@Dagmar> Your theories fail.
16:00 <@oddball> Dagmar: bad logic
16:00 <@tzanger> what was the leadup to the cause of the stock market crash in '29?
16:01 <@oddball> just because the conditions exist doesn't necessarily mean that the event will happen
16:01 <@Dagmar> oddball: I'm not the one saying the event will happen
16:02 < grendelaxxe> besides, correct me if Im wrong but didnt we get pulled into WWII which ended up creating a huge boom to the economy
16:03 <@oddball> in the case of the great depression, those on top were able to convince the general masses that they were hurting just as badly.
16:03 <@Dagmar> You would be wrong.
16:03 <@Dagmar> It was a huge boon to the manufacturers of war materials.
16:03 <@Dagmar> It was not a direct boost to "the economy"
16:03 <@oddball> no, he would be correct
16:03 <@Dagmar> Wars do not help economies.
16:03 <@tzanger> grendelaxxe: the US was selling arms until the japanese bombed pearl harbor IIRC
16:04 <@oddball> in the case of WWII, war materials = most of the economy
16:04 <@Dagmar> oddball: Only if you believe in trickle-down theory
16:04 <@Dagmar> "most" != "all"
16:05 <@Dagmar> There were plenty of sectors that only saw anything from that second- or third-hand.
16:05 <@oddball> no, but if there is a massive boost to a majority of the economy... then the economy overall increases.
16:06 <@Dagmar> Wars do not necessarily involve a "majority of the economy"
16:06 < grendelaxxe> just because the ecomomy does well doesn't mean there is no poverty
16:06 <@oddball> I wasn't speaking of wars generally, I was speaking specifically of WWII.
16:06 <@Dagmar> Our current war is mainly paying 3-4 LARGE contractors
16:07 < grendelaxxe> steel industry, chemical industry, clothing industry, farming industry, tech industry, aviation industry
16:07 <@oddball> did I say a damn thing about our current war?
16:07 <@Dagmar> Haliburton you've heard of.  SAIC is even larger but less widely-known about.
16:08 <@Dagmar> oddball: Out current war is a war and serves quite nicely to disprove the claim of "wars are good for the economy"
16:08 < grendelaxxe> besides, ultimately those top people taking their paultry millions are not what took down a multi billiion + dollar industry
16:08 <@Dagmar> No their incredible mismanagement was what did it
16:09 < grendelaxxe> the government push to give loans to unqualified applicants so they could buy homes is at least one of the key factors in the current downturn
16:09 <@Dagmar> No.
16:09 <@Dagmar> The government made no such "push".
16:09 < grendelaxxe> really? how do you figure?
16:09 < grendelaxxe> incorrect
16:10 <@Dagmar> Pics or shens
16:10 <@Dagmar> The deregulation that allowed people to be that stupid isn't the same thing as a "push".
16:10 < grendelaxxe> why do you think the regulation was put there in the first place?
16:10 < grendelaxxe> to prevent this
16:10 <@Dagmar> It was mortgage brokers who found weasely ways to make it look on paper like people could afford another mortgage was just where things _started_
16:13 <@Dagmar> By that standard, if I leave a door unlocked, I'm explcitly inviting everyone to go through it and do whatever
16:13 < grendelaxxe> no but you take responsibility for not securing your belongings
16:13 <@Catonic> Corydon76-dig: I want to have a ham BoF at PN.
16:14 <@Catonic> probably saturday since some folks won't be in town yet.
16:14 < grendelaxxe> loving the discussion but well past time for me to go home.
16:14 <@Dagmar> grendelaxxe: To use your analogy, my belongings would be the mortgage, so again, it's the mortgage brokers, not the goverment's deregulation that's to blame
16:15 < grendelaxxe> hehe, but it was the government deregulation that unlocked the door :)
16:15 <@Dagmar> No it wasn't.
16:15 < grendelaxxe> pls lets continue later. have to go
16:15 <@Dagmar> It was government deregulation that stopped ordering people to keep their doors locked by force of law.
16:15 <@Dagmar> It was assumed that people who weren't stupid would still lock their doors without being ordered to.
16:16 <+MaxieZ> Personally, I believe it was a combo of deregulation (republicans) and the sub prime mortgages in the first place (Dems)
16:16 <@Dagmar> ...but since everyone has managed to wrangle things at their company so they take no responsibiliity for leaving those doors unlocked, the brokers simply didn't have any reason NOT to sell bad mortgages
16:16 < grendelaxxe> actually that makes more sense MaxieZ
16:16 <+MaxieZ> Kind of like having a charity (thank you dems) and then having everyone leave it open for anyone to take (thank you republicans)
16:17 <@Dagmar> Yeah sure, blame politicians instead of incredibly irresponsible rich people.
16:17 <+MaxieZ> um yeah
16:17 < grendelaxxe> I blame them equally
16:17 <+MaxieZ> Cause politicians don't just do what the rich people say
16:18 < grendelaxxe> polititians are part of the incredibly irresponsible rich people
16:18 <@Dagmar> The CEOs and upper management of these companies have basically been running their companies into the ground because they get paid as much as they want, whether the company is doing well or not
16:18 < grendelaxxe> personally i think every incumbant should be taken out of office and term limits imposed
16:19 <+MaxieZ> Dagmar: True, but these things wouldn't be there if it weren't for the policies of the dems to help poor people get houses and republicans desire to let the market regulate itself
16:19 <+MaxieZ> The combo is dangerous
16:20 <@Dagmar> The combo wouldn't have been a problem if these people had actually been interested in managing risk, instead of only being interested in managing what the balance sheets look like "right now".
16:20 <@Dagmar> You wouldn't have had all these companies handing out huge amounts of bad loans if they were actually planning on being held accountable for them
16:20 < grendelaxxe> the combo wouldn't be a problem if the masses actually lived up the ideals our the countries founding fathers believed them capable of
16:21 <@Dagmar> ...but everyone, from the bottom to the top, found a convenient way to pass the buck.,
16:21 <@Dagmar> The buck stops *somewhere*, *always&.
16:22 < grendelaxxe> because no one wants to think for themselves or take any responsibility
16:22 <@Dagmar> I'll go further than that and say there was a culture of "what we can get away with" that pervaded that sector
16:22 < grendelaxxe> I agree
16:23 <@Dagmar> All those companies having to restate earnings for sometimes as much as two years back was a dead giveaway
16:23 <@Dagmar> "Oh, we didn't realize it wasn't legal to hide losses"
16:23 <@Dagmar> Puh-lease
16:23 < grendelaxxe> Darwinism at its finest
16:24 <@Dagmar> Nope.
16:24 <@Dagmar> NOt Darwinism.
16:24 <@Dagmar> If it *were* Darwinism, the failed companies would take CEO fortunes with it.
16:24 <@Dagmar> ...but they don't.
16:24 <@Dagmar> The people in charge of these legal entities separated themselves from responsibility for those entities.
16:24 < grendelaxxe> no because the companies adhere to the contracts they signed with the CEO when they were hired
16:25 <@Dagmar> So again, the people in charge of these legal entities separated themselves from responsibility for those entities.
16:25 < grendelaxxe> if companies would quit signing contracts with CEO's that let them get a huge severance even if they are fired or the company tanks then they might actually give a damn if the company succeeds
16:26 <@Dagmar> If the CEO's contract says they get paid come rain, shine, or Godzilla attack, they've just taken responsibility out of the equation.
16:26 <+MaxieZ> Capatilism at it's finest
16:26 <+MaxieZ> or worst really
16:26 < grendelaxxe> but in a lot of cases, CEO's are the figure heads of the company for attracting investors while the board of directors makes all the final decisions
16:26 <@Dagmar> ...and since the CEO gets a clause like that, so does everyone else in upper management.
16:27 < grendelaxxe> exactly
16:27 <@Dagmar> So you're left with a company that is a legal entity which is a slave to it's board members, instead of the ward of it's board members.
16:27 <+MaxieZ> Capitalism breaks down at extremes imo
16:27 <@Dagmar> This is why some fuckers are going to jail.
16:27 <@Neoteric> damn, billy's right. all this fuckign webhackitry is easy
16:27 <@Dagmar> "STockholder obligations".
16:27 <@Dagmar> Neoteric: This is why some of us are just that damn anal about our code.
16:27 <@Dagmar> Neoteric: ...because other people so often are not.
16:28 <+MaxieZ> Neoteric: Yes it is...I only use javascript for how bad it is :)
16:28 <@Dagmar> Basically, the situation where the board members are NOT responsible to the legal entity that is the company is a situation that's not supposed to happen, ever
16:28 <@Dagmar> Lehman Bros CEO is probably going to be going to jail for a long, long time.
16:28 < grendelaxxe> very true Dagmar. ok, really gotta head. enjoyed the discussion.  have a good one everyone
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16:32 <@Corydon76-dig> Catonic: talk to SkyDog about putting it on the schedule
16:34 <@SkyDog_> Putting what?
16:34 <@SkyDog_> Ah. BoF for Ham Radio.
16:34 <@SkyDog_> Where the hell can we have it?
16:36 <+MaxieZ> What's BoF?
16:37 <@SkyDog_> Bird of a feather. (They flock together)
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16:39 <@Corydon76-dig> 9th floor would be fine
16:39 <@Corydon76-dig> Just pick a time, really
16:40 <@Corydon76-dig> Saturday, 6pm, perhaps?
16:48 <@SkyDog_> Hmm. They can just use the open area seating. There is no spot open for a formal meeting, per se.
16:48 <@SkyDog_> I'll add it to the schedule though.
16:51 <@SkyDog_> Done.
16:51 <@SkyDog_> I put it at 5pm.
16:51 <@SkyDog_> 6pm is the dinner break.
16:58 <@Corydon76-dig> SkyDog_: based on UPS's ship schedule, I should have the backdrop and extra lengths for the stand tomorrow
16:59 <@SkyDog_> http://twitter.com/phreaknic12
16:59 <@SkyDog_> Corydon76-dig: Sweet.
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17:12 < cwire> i'm pretty stoked to see hackers are people too
17:12 <+MaxieZ> Seen it...have it on my HD
17:13 < cwire> how was it
17:13 <+MaxieZ> It's cool
17:14 <+MaxieZ> I saw it at defcon since SkyDog wouldn't let me go to the hackerpimps party so I had nothing to do but watch movies ;)
17:14 < cwire> haha
17:17 <@SkyDog_> MaxieZ: Um, I wouldn't let you go?
17:17 <@SkyDog_> You're killing me smalls.
17:18 <+MaxieZ> heh
17:18 <+MaxieZ> Just playing
17:19 < aestetix_> Howdy.
17:19  * aestetix_ hugs Dolemite 
17:24 <@SkyDog_> MaxieZ: You shoulda come to the door and told them who you were. you'da got in.
17:24 <@oddball> SkyDog_: you recieve that Dell Mini 9 yet?
17:24 <@SkyDog_> Not yet. Still waiting. and waiting...
17:25 <@oddball> bah... guess I give them no moneys for my work netbook
17:25 <@oddball> now to decide between the eee PC 1000H or the Acer Aspire.
17:26 <+MaxieZ> Mine's due here on Friday...I'll let you guys know when I get it
17:26 <@SkyDog_> FUCKER!
17:26 <@SkyDog_> It should be a good lappy. I prefer the mouse buttons be in the right locations...
17:27 <@oddball> the Aspire One has more hard drive space, is smaller, and is cheaper... I just don't know if I can get used to the mouse buttons stradling the mousepad.
17:27 <@SkyDog_> Pass on the aspire.
17:27 <+MaxieZ> Yeah...got a co-worker that has one coming on the 20th and he's hating me
17:27 <@oddball> SkyDog_: reasons?
17:27 <@SkyDog_> The eee is cool, but I dunno that I wanna spend the $$$ for it.
17:27 <+MaxieZ> Really, I'll just be happy if I get it by PN
17:27 <@SkyDog_> I  like the layout and design of the mini 9.
17:27 <+MaxieZ> and time to reinstall it of course
17:27 <@SkyDog_> I should get mine before pN.
17:28 <+MaxieZ> I'm just feeling....doubtful.  It's very unlike Dell to take this long so I imagine this is out of their ordinary way of doing things
17:28 <+MaxieZ> IE...they got more orders than they expected or something
17:28 <@oddball> The 10" eee PC 1000 series is cheaper than the Dells once you actually get a Mini 9 with enough HD space to be useful.
17:30 <+MaxieZ> My mini is cheaper...it cost $0.00
17:30 <@oddball> I'm guessing you job bought it for you?
17:30 <+MaxieZ> yes
17:31 <+MaxieZ> If money were no object: http://ipwn.mobi/products.html
17:31 <@oddball> well, mine's buying me this one... I'm still trying to get best for the buck though.
17:31 <+MaxieZ> my company only buys dell laptops
17:31 <+MaxieZ> So...I didn't have a choice there
17:32 <@oddball> yeah... I was thinking the same thing at my place until my boss asked me to see if CDW could price me a similar system.
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17:35 <@oddball> oooooo yeah.... I was going to see if eeeUbuntu does better than the current Debian build.
17:38 < aestetix_> Man.
17:38 < aestetix_> The Dow keeps on falling.
17:39 <@tcstool> yeah another rough day
17:39 <@tcstool> But all that money has to be going SOMEWHERE
17:39 <@oddball> Yeah... I'm tempted to pick up some Ford or GM stock.  Pretty confident that they're going to bounce back.
17:39 <@tcstool> sure
17:39 <@tcstool> this is the time to buy
17:39 <@tcstool> there's a bottom to this eventually
17:41 < booker404> holy crap... my 401k shows a 15% loss in the past quarter...
17:41 <@oddball> good think you're not thinking of retiring this year.
17:41 <@nachoguy> I don't even want to look at mine
17:41 <@tcstool> Yeah but unless you're retiring sometime soon it'll come back
17:42 < cwire> i haven't looked at my stocks in a long time
17:42 < cwire> long term investment is really easy when you're not willing to look at your stuff
17:42 <@tcstool> Looking makes people panic
17:42 <@tcstool> which makes people sell
17:42 < cwire> and makes it go down
17:42 <@tcstool> which makes the market drop
17:42 < cwire> and down
17:42 <@tcstool> Yeah
17:43 <@tcstool> Our friends at Fox News are doing a good job keeping the fear mongering going
17:43 < cwire> yeah, the assholes
17:43 < booker404> personal rate of return for the current year is -22.11%
17:43 <@tcstool> It is nice that the biggest fear mongering administration in our history is getting bit with some poetic justice
17:43 <@tcstool> They want everyone to believe their super awesome bailout plan would fix this, and us not to be afraid
17:44 <@tcstool> And the majority of the country is still afraid because they know what a bunch of fucking dumbasses they are
17:44 <@tcstool> You've got to love that
17:44 < cwire> i don't know why we're giving aig 38B more
17:44 <@tcstool> They need to take another vacation
17:45 <@tcstool> they're stressed out
17:45 <@tcstool> of course since the US government owns 75% of their stock now I guuess they're hoping it'll go back up
17:45 < cwire> i guess now that they're effectively owned by the country they figure they have to overspend to keep in line with all the other gov. organizations
17:45 <@tcstool> you know it
17:46 <@tcstool> Everything got too big too fast it seems to me, and that's what created this mess
17:46 < booker404> the higher you are, the harder you crash...
17:46 < cwire> they justified the spending on the resort for like 10 people by "our clients are high end people, so we need to meet them at these fancy places"
17:47 < cwire> they cancelled the next trip though
17:47 <@tcstool> They pretty much had to
17:47 < cwire> of course
17:47 <@tcstool> fucking idiots
17:47 <@tcstool> Man if I was a billionaire right now, I'd jump into this presidential race as an independent like there was no tomorrow
17:48 < cwire> the "we're going to live better than you with your own money" business plan sounds good until some angry person shoots you in the face
17:48 <@tcstool> Do the Ross Perot buy an hour on national TV and talk about nothing but the economy and how to fix it
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18:04 < cerkit> unfortunately, you would have to buy considerable more air-time to explain how to fix this particular problem.
18:04 < cerkit> and, if you could, a large percent would either tune out before coming to understand and/or be confused.
18:05 <@tcstool> Yeah
18:05 <@tcstool> valid
18:06 < cerkit> How the hell do you fix the problem?
18:07 < cerkit> Your levered 40 or so to 1... and, what little you're collatoral your proping that up with, is being devalued rapidly.
18:07 < cerkit> Go.
18:07 <@ShadowHntr> http://www.newschannel5.com/Global/story.asp?S=9155167
18:07 < cerkit> :)
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18:08 < booker404> ShadowHntr: is there a particular significance to that?
18:09 <@ShadowHntr> booker404: MTSU cancelled classes for two days thanks to that wanker
18:09 <@ShadowHntr> threatened students safety
18:09 < booker404> ahh
18:09 <@ShadowHntr> Corydon76-dig: want to make a social call to that fucker? ;)
18:09 < cerkit> We're losing rule of law it seems as well.
18:09 < cerkit> :)
18:12 < booker404> it really surprises me how inefficient mass food production is....
18:13 <@Corydon76-dig> Why the fuck would I care?
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18:31 <@sdodson> cerkit: you're concerned?
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18:33 <@sdodson> Why aren't the markets fixed?
18:33 <@coil> we need to throw more money at it
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18:45 <@sdodson> http://8.media.collegehumor.com/collegehumor/ch6/1/c/collegehumor.5cd2481158a793f9e53ddb1cf693d91f.jpg
18:46 <@coil> mmm water
18:46 <@Shadow404> bof ham meet?
18:46 <@Shadow404> what?
18:48 <@sdodson> http://i35.tinypic.com/dztob9.jpg
18:48 <@sdodson> Shadow404: not invited
18:48 <@Shadow404> sdodson: diaf
18:48 <@coil> i dont get that sdodson
18:48 <@coil> that pic
18:51 <@Shadow404> i'd do her
18:52 <@Shadow404> scotchick wouldnt, she just laughed
18:55 <@sdodson> If scotchick does you I question her judgement.
18:56 <@coil> hhhahah
18:56 <@coil> you two bitches get married yet?
18:56 < cerkit> sdodson: huh?
18:57 <@sdodson> cerkit: What exactly are you huhing to?
18:57 < cerkit> you asked me if I was concerned.
18:57 <@Shadow404> in spring we are in b.c.
18:57 < cerkit> "huh?"
18:57 <@coil> pics
18:57 <@Shadow404> www.wickinn.com
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19:09 < aestetix_> mmmm
19:09 < aestetix_> cissps with discs
19:11 <@sdodson> aestetix_: wtf?
19:11 < aestetix_> I'm in san francisco
19:11 < aestetix_> go figure
19:11 <@sdodson> coming out?
19:11 < aestetix_> no
19:11 < aestetix_> I'm laughing at the interview process for sysadmins
19:12 < aestetix_> btw, if you guys know anyone in SF who is good at sysadmining...
19:13 <@Dagmar> I'd move there if I thought it was affordable
19:13 <@sdodson> Nope, I bet there's no one out there that's even heard of a computer!
19:13 < aestetix_> Dagmar: what if the price is right? :)
19:13 <@sdodson> How is nashville on cost of living?
19:13 <@Dagmar> The main question is: Is it a .edu
19:13 < aestetix_> Nope. It's a startup
19:13 <@Dagmar> This is *not* the economy for that right now.
19:13 <@Dagmar> Been there, done that.
19:14 <@Dagmar> Here, I'll still be employed a year from now
19:14 < aestetix_> Actually, we have a good team.
19:14 < aestetix_> And insane connections.
19:14 <@sdodson> What do you mean by insane connections?
19:14 <@Dagmar> So did iAsiaworks
19:14 < juice> insane like dark fiber?
19:15 <@Dagmar> And then some
19:15 <@Dagmar> We got facilities built from the foundation up, before the local gov't could formally assign them an address.
19:18 <@Dagmar> They still failed.
19:18 <@sdodson> Dagmar: Just assume aestetix is blowing smoke until you've had further clarification.
19:18 <@Dagmar> What's going on now makes this a BAD time to be working for a startup
19:18 <@Dagmar> Still, do it.
19:18 <@Dagmar> It's SF.
19:18 <@Dagmar> It's WAY worth it
19:18 <@Dagmar> Just sock away extra money so you're not flatfooted after they fold and unemployment hits 20% in the Bay again
19:19 < aestetix_> Sorry, was stuck in a brief meeting.
19:21 < cerkit> How high do you think unemployment goes?
19:21 < cerkit> 10%?
19:21 < cerkit> more?
19:21 <@Dagmar> cerkit: Dpeends on how well it's hidden
19:21 <@sdodson> aestetix_: so what does this startup do?
19:21 <@Dagmar> You remember at the outset of this last invasion how many more people were protesting in SF than in any other city
19:22 < aestetix_> sdodson: something vaguely similar to what AMD was about.
19:22 <@Dagmar> That was shortly after I left there.
19:22 < cerkit> Dagmar: I mena nationally.
19:22 < cerkit> its abour 7% right now
19:22 <@Dagmar> cerkit: Again, it depende on how well it's hidden.
19:22 <@sdodson> aestetix_: Failing miserably?
19:22 <@sdodson> That is a pretty typical startup business plan, you sure that's original enough?
19:22 <@Dagmar> cerkit: They don't reflect how many people are unemployed.
19:22 < aestetix_> sdodson: Go fuck yourself.
19:23 <@Dagmar> They reflect how many people are collecting unemployment insurance
19:23 < cerkit> Dagmar: No, there is also the jobless claims numbers.
19:23 < cerkit> And the payroll and ADP report.
19:23 <@Dagmar> I know the dot com crash so severely fucked the bay area it was scary
19:23 < cerkit> To at least, those degrees, its measurable.
19:23 <@Dagmar> Those reports you hear about 3 out of 4 buildings between San Francisco and San Jose being *empty* were no joke.
19:24 < cerkit> I'm curious where its headed nationally.
19:24 <@Dagmar> I'v eno idea.
19:24 <@Dagmar> I'm just glad I work for a .edu that makes doctors and lawyers.
19:24 <@sdodson> ADP does payroll for how many people?
19:24 < cerkit> I work primarily for a .edu as well right now.
19:25 <@coil> 3242342
19:25 < cerkit> sdodson: I don't know, they release a quarterly report, I believe.
19:25 < cerkit> As part of being public, etc.
19:26 < cerkit>  
19:26 <@coil>  
19:26 < cerkit> I think the most recent jobs report is the last one we see though until the next president.
19:27 <@Dagmar> Probably so
19:27 <@sdodson> How often do they come out?
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19:27 < cerkit> sdodson: I said, quarterly.
19:27 < cerkit> OR do you mean the jobs reports?
19:28 <@sdodson> cerkit: Ya, those.
19:28 < cerkit> the jobs reports come from the department of labor
19:28 < cerkit> i have no idea
19:28 < cerkit> go on their website
19:29 <@sdodson> I wish youtube had figured out how to generate revenues without making it suck.
19:29 <@sdodson> aestetix_: HOLD ME!
19:30 < aestetix_> What?
19:30 <@sdodson> I dunno, it seemed funnier in my head than after it was actually typed out.
19:30 <@coil> that happens to me all the time
19:31 < cerkit> wow, the futures are tanking...
19:32 < cerkit> the markets going to hurt tomorrow, after bush talks, and no one wants to hold on to anything over the weekend
19:33 < cerkit> at fair value the DOW futures have it at 8452
19:33 < cerkit> ouch.
19:33 <@coil> uhm
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19:33 <@coil> yeah
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19:34 < cerkit> coil: http://www.cnbc.com/id/17689937/
19:34 <@coil> will we have a ecomony before the election?
19:35 < cerkit> for it to be so negative, after a day where we clowed down almost another 700 pts down, on the 7th consecutive down day?
19:35 < cerkit> thats sortof disturbing.
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19:35 < cerkit> closed*
19:35 <@coil> glad i dont have stocks
19:35 < cerkit> me too
19:35 <@coil> or i would of jumped out of a building already
19:41 < m0j0j0j0> stocks arent a short term thing.  If you're going to flip out every time the market crashes...
19:41 <@coil> i could give two shits about stocks and politics
19:42 < cerkit> what could you give two shits about?
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19:43 <@coil> cocaine and hookers
19:44 <@coil> and blackjack occasionally
19:44 < m0j0j0j0> ahh.  to be young again
19:44 < cerkit>  i too enjoy blackjack occasionally.
19:46 <@sdodson> My problem is that I was about to sell off a bunch of stocks in order to pay a down payment.
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19:46 <@coil> aw shit
19:47 <@coil> if you play with fire sdodson you're gonna get burned
19:47 < cerkit> how much did you lose, dude?
19:48 < cerkit> that sucks
19:49 < m0j0j0j0> yeah
19:53 <@sdodson> I haven't sold anything yet. Trying to come up with cash without selling.
19:54 < m0j0j0j0> the more think about it the more i think i should rent a car for pn
19:54 <@coil> so where does that money go
19:54 < m0j0j0j0> coke and hookers
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20:17 <@sdodson> m0j0j0j0: There are hookers and coke within walking distance of the PN hotel. Hell, just stop by ware's room.
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20:21 < m0j0j0j0> sdodson: all that stuff is in my past
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21:07 <@brimstone> post?
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21:17 <@brimstone> huh, the dow dropped about a million points in October 1987
21:28 < jb7od> spades pwns blackjack
21:30 < jb7od> sooo i got the yagi converted to minisma to pcmcia card for the race
21:31 < jb7od> skrrrrrt >rubba<
21:31 < jb7od> Rum pwns beer, matey.
21:37  * AstralSin happens to be drinking rum
21:37 < AstralSin> yar
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21:53 < jb7od> aye! whatcha drinkin AstralSin
21:53 < jb7od> ?
21:53 < jb7od> meyers over here
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22:19 < jb7od> scary ass slashdot right there...
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22:29 <@sdodson> How can you not respect this man? http://www.newraleigh.com/images/articles/lw-1031.jpg
22:30 <@sdodson> Is it just me or is his left arm much larger?
22:30 <@coil> just you
22:30 <@coil> why are you lookin at rappers
22:31 < jb7od> he's in three six mafia
22:31 < jb7od> i don't even have to google it. scarecrow? is that his name? lol
22:31  * jb7od knows his rappers
22:31 < jb7od> lol
22:32 <@sdodson> It's an article about lil wayne, i don't know if they got the right one or not
22:32 < jb7od> paul wall was their "d.j."
22:34 < jb7od> ya you win. b.g.
22:34 < jb7od> hang on tho
22:34 < jb7od> na you totally win.
22:35  * jb7od does not, sdodson is dirty south for real.
22:37 < jb7od> i'm looking for the pic that made me think that- i've been doing this thing at work- this one guy was making fun of "grills" and i started collecting pix of the most messed up one and there's some 3-6 promo shot with that awesome jacket in it that i'm trying to find and cant
22:37 < jb7od> "ItZ dA GrILl oV dA D@y"
22:37 < jb7od> lol
22:38 < jb7od> http://cache.jezebel.com/assets/resources/2008/01/paulWall_grill.jpg
22:38 < jb7od> there you go
22:38 < jb7od> that's a good one.
22:38 < jb7od> lol
22:39 < jb7od> http://www.proof7.com/p7nyc/methodman2-thumb.jpg <-- that one made em say wtf tho..
22:39 < jb7od> i need to get an old dirty bastard one tho- they're not ready... lol
22:41 < jb7od> just plah about the jacket. awesome is not the word. i'd never put that thing on... or on anyone else..
22:42 < jb7od> maybe if you dart me at the con, then you could put it on me- but i'd go coyote when i came to.
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22:47 < jb7od> lol wikipedia has a link to lil wayne's myspace!
22:50 < jb7od> my little brother liked hot boys, i got off the wagon on south shit somewhere after 8ball, but then again he had a 3oz. gold crucifix..
22:51 <@sdodson> Your ability to have a conversation with yourself is amazing
22:52 < jb7od> it's a monolouge. plus you're proving you're reading
22:53 < jb7od> you guys never talk when i talk, i'm used to it
22:54 < jb7od> like you like it better when nobody talks and it's just ops parts quits and joins lol.
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22:56 <+jb7od> lol! tyvm
22:57 <+jb7od> i'll do my best to live up to it...
22:58 <+jb7od> it really puts an irony on "chat" server though when nobody talks..
22:59 <@sdodson> We're all busy taking a run on the banks.
22:59 <+jb7od> haha
22:59 <+jb7od> you can't run on an imaginary number
22:59 <+jb7od> lol
23:01 <+jb7od> i've been so poor for so long though i hardly can give a shit what happens to the well to do. i'm paycheck to paycheck, full time, and even onforce won't let me set my base rate as low as my check is.
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23:05 <+jb7od> i hope every ceo from AIG has to move on my street and get faces made at them by the gangsters at the Shell at ohb and gallatin just like me!
23:06 <+jb7od> and drop off their kids at amqui on the backdrop of ms-13 tags..
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23:14 <+jb7od> okay, here's one. my son has a fever (101.1 last temp) and my daughter says "I'm a good mom. Griffin, keep your face to the cross" and made a little t with her index fingers.
23:14 <+jb7od> i was blown away
23:17 < eryc> too much harry potter?
23:18 <+jb7od> we only have "and the sorcerers stone" which she refuses to watch. i'm thinking some weirdo teacher at preschool..
23:18 <+jb7od> harry potter is a "boy show"
23:18 <+jb7od> lol
23:23 <@sdodson> bah, clamscan tells me putty.exe has a trojan :(
23:27 <+jb7od> sucks. it's funny what that shit says sometimes. aports, superscanner4, nmap-win: all destroyed by SAV where i work.
23:27 <+jb7od> (99.4 the cross worked..)
23:33 <+jb7od> here's a stupid prank to pull at work if they run an AD. (don't say i never told u anything good) make a vm with 2003 server, cut on dhcp server, snag up all the machines on your switch when their lease is up, turn off the vm when you hear footsteps.. superscanner4 helped me catch someone doing this before that IMPORTANT definition update.. :/
23:33 <+jb7od> but anything would do.
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23:41 <+jb7od> at <ti:me> /interactive "cmd.exe" trick works on vista (be $SYSTEM/$MACHINENAME)
23:42 <+jb7od> like anybody runs that pos.
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